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Team3S Digest         Saturday, April 10 1999         Volume 01 : Number 148




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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 00:02:10 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Disabling Fuel Pump

Locate the MFI relays fuse (I think No.1 at the front pass side, 20A) and pull
it. This will disable any fuel related devices but the starter should still
work. Note, this will not releave fuel pressure from the lines.

> > On my Eclipse there is a fuse under the hood labeled "MPI."  I think the
> > 3000GT has the same fuse, but I'm too lazy to go outside and look.  Check
> > for that fuse and if you find it, pull it.  Then you can do a compression
> > test or whatever without fuel spraying everywhere.

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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 23:12:48 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Dyno testing

I double this as I'll even do the temp checking on the road.

At our dyno session the weather was cold and the loss of intercooling efficiency
was compensated with an open hood and air intake temperature around max 10°C. Of
course if you drive at this temps then the air is cooler on the road but our
test was like driving around 20°C outside temp.

Dave, please check out the dyno manufacturer and software version. Also let them
reconrd raw wheel hp and the correct curve as well. Finally set boost to 1.00
bars max before you crank it up to find the level where the timing gets
retarded.

Good luck and a lot of fun,
Roger, Switzerland
93'3000GT TT


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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 23:44:28 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Records for stock turbos? (was weight stripping)

The more boost, the more fuel and the higher octane you need ! This are key
factors as well as the pistons and rings are. You can run 20psi on the stock
turbos for sure but will your rings still be alive afterwards ?

This is why I just don't understand who started this thread with "stock turbos".
The turbos are not the first limitation and adding a bigger turbo will increase
the volumetric efficiency as well as it will able to hold boost at the higher
rpms. But there are much more weaker elements, like injectors, pump and of
course the ECU that  can be changed without touching the turbos.

> 11's for under $3000 Total cost for an 11 second monster...$14,000

Injectors = $1000
Pump = $400
Boost controller = not necessary, just remove the vacuum line from the
wastegate controllers (do not do this on the street)
VPC = $850 (removes the MAS = more air)
Filter = $200 (like Blitz SUS)
Gutting precats = free
Dowpipe with testpipe = $350
Cat-Back = who needs this ? Just run one 3" pipe from the test-pipe and add a
mini muffler if really necessary (rules?) = $350
Race Gas = I don't know how much.

This are $3150 and if you are running with 116 octane you'd be able to reach
20psi without a big danger.

> Thermo Wrap...everything the entire IC piping setup

Does not really help as the piping will be heated up from the ambient. I'd
believe in this if somebody is really making temp measurments and sees 1°C lower
temps.

> NOS?

No, not at this moment because running on the juice is another world and you'd
get a small mark on the best of the best lists.

> New fold-up plexigalss headlights with cold air intake

Remove the lights fully and add a snorkel to the right opening.

> New Seats 8 lbs each

You only need one seat :)

> Remove all Interior I can get away with
> Remove:
>     Cruise Control
>     AC unit
>     Windhsield Wipers and Motors
>     All sound deadenanig material

Remove the sunroof if you have one. Also the stock exhaust is very heavy ...
replace it with the stuff described. Next, open the door sills and remove the
heavy crash bars that should guard you from side impacts. If you want to stripe
more, get some very lightweight wheels (mucho $$)

> Some questions on the following...
> Running with _NO_ hood?

Umpf, not sure but it would look too crazy :)

Next steps would be :

- - Replace all fuel lines from the tank to the rails = $500
- - Big adjustable fuel pressure regulator = $150
- - Big high flow fuel filter = $90
- - Rework the fuel rails for the bigger flow = ~$300
- - Replace the small pipe that conencts the rails with a big one = ~$100
- - Add bigger intercoolers and hard IC pipes = ~$2500
- - Change ECU = $850
- - Water/Alcohol injection (not NOS but cools down chamber) = $800
- - for sure here bigger turbos would do a lot in delivering the appropriate
amount of air :) = $2000
- - Biiig clutch = $450 (hehe)

This nets in ~$7650 plus the first ~$3200 gives you a damn fast, scary,
explosive AWD rocket for "only" $11000.

Well, I don't know how long the tranny will last then as well as labour is not
included.

Happy modding,
Roger

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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:31:27 -0500
From: "Matt Jannusch" <mattj@fallon.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Records for stock turbos?

> The more boost, the more fuel and the higher octane you need !
> This are key factors as well as the pistons and rings are. You
> can run 20psi on the stock turbos for sure but will your rings
> still be alive afterwards ?

Can you explain what you mean about the rings?  I don't understand why the
rings would care if you are running stock turbos or larger turbos...  If you
are running 20 psi on stock turbos or upgrades, the pistons/rings only see
20 psi of "preload" in the cylinder.  Or did you mean that a lack of fuel at
20 psi would cause detonation and take out the rings?

- -Matt

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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:50:17 -0700
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Records for stock turbos?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Matt Jannusch [mailto:mattj@fallon.com]
Sent: Friday, April 09, 1999 3:31 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Records for stock turbos?


> The more boost, the more fuel and the higher octane you need !
> This are key factors as well as the pistons and rings are. You
> can run 20psi on the stock turbos for sure but will your rings
> still be alive afterwards ?

Can you explain what you mean about the rings?  I don't understand why the
rings would care if you are running stock turbos or larger turbos...  If you
are running 20 psi on stock turbos or upgrades, the pistons/rings only see
20 psi of "preload" in the cylinder.  Or did you mean that a lack of fuel at
20 psi would cause detonation and take out the rings?

- -Matt
===========================
Matt...

Correct...at least one member (Roger) has lost his rings due to detonation.

Primary cause: too much boost
Secondary cause: engine runs too lean.
Tertiary cause: the engine is so well insulated, and your screaming (due to
20 psi boost) drowns out the sound of detonation. You never even know it's
happening until something breaks.  :-)

Looking forward...Chris

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4 (w/HKS Super Flo intake, TEC 15G turbos, bored
and polished throttle body, RC 560cc injectors, HKS fuel pump, GReddy PRofec
A boost controller, G-force ECU upgrade, HKS SBOV, front mounted
intercoolers, Predator dry cell battery, Magnecore 8.5mm wires, NGK double
platinum plugs gapped at .030", ATR downpipe and test pipe, GReddy catback
exhaust, GReddy turbo timer, Eibach 1" drop progressive springs)
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 01:51:28 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Records for stock turbos? (was weight stripping)

> So basicly 15 psi is the max you can go without detonation even with
> big injectors, fuel pump etc. on pump gas?  Any updates on the water
> injection?

Well, you can "dump" in a lot fuel to cool down the combustion chamber. This
will alow you to increase boost but you'll run way too rich then and do not make
the power you are looking for. Also the too large amount of fuel compared to the
delivered air is washing out the cylinder walls and the rings will wear out
sooner than expected. Fighting against our enemy called detonation can done by
reducing intake temperature or increasing the octane rating. The last is not
only done with a 1 or 2 point booster as for 18psi of boost you'll need about
112 octane. I only recall this figure but I haven't the formula handy. I think
Barry was very helpful on this :)

The WI uses the water to remove the heat from the intake air and with this it
provides detonation resistance like fuel up to 140 octanes. Of course the system
will be tuned in to deliver the appropriate amount needed for the application.
Therefore more water is needed for a 20psi setup than for a 15psi and this can
be done by the different jets delivered with the kits. Racing fuel with 120
octane is more efficient than a WI system with pump gas boosted up to 120 octane
with it. This because the fuel can be burnt and produces energy while the water
just enters the chamber as a steam and therefore lowers the total energy. At
this point, adding more fuel can be delivered that will be burnt at higher
pressures.

The water injection will be my way for sure but it's a little bit a problem of
my wallet at the moment. Also, Mikael just wrote me about the new "Haligator"
from Haltech. It is a boost controller with many accessoires function that also
can control a water inejction system based upon MAP, rpm and other values. This
may reduce the inital WI system cost but first I have to know what this thing
costs.

So you see that only adding a WI system doesn't help a lot because our cars fuel
system is at its end pretty soon. After upgrading this parts the WI system does
it's job very effective as I can't drive the whole time with racing gas.
Expensive and waste of money. The WI system kicks in when preventing detonation
is needed and this is good to know then.

Due to ERL I'd be able to run 1.2 to 1.3 bars of boost with the upgraded fuel
parts and the basic WI system. If the pistons and rings can withstand this
pressure is written on another paper.
 
> Every one of your posts is a learning experience for me.  Thanks for
> sharing your knowledge with me and everyone on the list.

Oh, this belongs to everyone on teh list and there are a lot more with much more
experience than I have.

Later (better said tomorrow)
Roger

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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 01:51:37 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Records for stock turbos?

> Can you explain what you mean about the rings?  I don't understand why the
> rings would care if you are running stock turbos or larger turbos...

I meant this related to the boost and bigger turbos can mean more boost.

> If you are running 20 psi on stock turbos or upgrades, the pistons/rings
> only see 20 psi of "preload" in the cylinder.

You say "only", but what do the rings and ringlands think of this power ? Are
they designed to withstand this preloaded and finally produced pressure in the
chamber ? Unfortunately not and a new "stock" words comes up : stock
pistons/rings.

Detonation can occur allover the rpm band but it's mostly seen around the peak
power (5600 on ours). As our cars rev up so quick when boost is up the area is
stepped thrugh pretty quick in the lower gears. At this time, a huge pressure
can produce a "kick" to the piston that may result in breaking. This happended
to three of mine and all on the same side. The parts looked as they where broken
due to a extreme short but heavy kick from the chamber. An ultra-lean condition
would more produce bad things to the upper piston area but they still looked
pretty good. The ringlands are also a critical part when increasing boost. This
is why forged pistons do have a thicker and therefore stronger design in that
area. Just compare the JE pistons to the stock ones. Also compare the stock
rings to really good ones and you'll understand.

> Or did you mean that a lack of fuel at
> 20 psi would cause detonation and take out the rings?

As mentioned in the other message, too much fuel can wash out the walls and
causing too much ring-wear. But detonation will hurt them also for sure. But
often more fuel doesn't really help as also more octane is needed to really
prevent the enemy.

Later,
Roger

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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 15:55:28 -0500
From: Del A Kolasinski <pearlvr42c@juno.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Stock turbo 11's buildup

            I truly believe that it is possible.  Adam went 12.32 full
exhaust, boost controller, intake, and an AFC.  Mike ,from what I know,
had nothing too fancy, and I've personally seen a 12.6 on pump gas with a
bleeder valve, air filter, and gutted main cat. 
You need good weather conditions, a good launch, good 60ft. time, and
good shifts.
No major overkill is needed if you get those 4 things.  No major weight
reduction, probably just spare, jack, and tools.
I think it can be done with a full 3" exhaust including gutted cats.
A boost controller running 17 to 20 psi (crank 'er up till fuel cut)
A big filter such as K&N Aircharger
And some fuel mods- AFC(maybe a VPC, possibly 550 injectors if you are
running out of juice up top, and a high flow pump.
I think that is what it takes, remember driving skill is all the
difference in the world!
Del
PEARLVR42C@juno.com
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 20:53:57 EDT
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Stock turbo 11's buildup

When you mention a "good 60 foot time" in order to do 11's...
It may be possible, but it will be a GREAT FEAT!
Consider that our fastest cars (without Nitrous) are doing 1.69 The Great Bob
Fontana,
Jack T. at 1.70 (wow, I matched superman's time) and Adam at 1.71 are all
doing 11's.
Then consider that Jack T our very own legend number ONE car with Nitrous is
only 2/10's better at 1.5 and think of the power it takes to do these times.
These cars are truly MONSTERS in  the HP dept. With good drivers (dare I say
great). It will be no walk in the park to get a stock car into the 11's
without juice. Maybe with Helium in your tires.:)
Go for it!  I think its possible with serious weight reduction.
Arty 91 VR-4

In a message dated 4/9/99 8:11:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
pearlvr42c@juno.com writes:

<< ubj: Team3S: Re: Stock turbo 11's buildup
 Date: 4/9/99 8:11:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time
 From: pearlvr42c@juno.com (Del A Kolasinski)
 Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 Reply-to: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 
             I truly believe that it is possible.  Adam went 12.32 full
 exhaust, boost controller, intake, and an AFC.  Mike ,from what I know,
 had nothing too fancy, and I've personally seen a 12.6 on pump gas with a
 bleeder valve, air filter, and gutted main cat. 
 You need good weather conditions, a good launch, good 60ft. time, and
 good shifts.
 No major overkill is needed if you get those 4 things.  No major weight
 reduction, probably just spare, jack, and tools.
 I think it can be done with a full 3" exhaust including gutted cats.
 A boost controller running 17 to 20 psi (crank 'er up till fuel cut)
 A big filter such as K&N Aircharger
 And some fuel mods- AFC(maybe a VPC, possibly 550 injectors if you are
 running out of juice up top, and a high flow pump.
 I think that is what it takes, remember driving skill is all the
 difference in the world!
 Del
 PEARLVR42C@juno.com
 wisc.dsm.org
  >>

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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 23:03:58 -0500
From: "Omar Malik" <ojm@iname.com>
Subject: Team3S: overheating, NA 92 r/t

Well i've finally hit my first big problem with my car. I was driving along
around 40 MPH, check engine light comes on and took a look at my temp gauge.
GREAT! the needle is sitting in the red! I also saw that the oil pressure
was slowly going down. I drove about a block, found somewhere to park and
shut her off. Everything seems fine, other then it being VERY hot! Oil level
was fine, no leaks under the car. Then i looked at the coolant overflow
bottle. It looks like coolant had leaked out of the overflow tube. Only a
couple drops on the pavement. The frame of the car immediately below the
bottle was also wet. I took the cap of the bottle, and coolant was slowly
steaming out. Also, before i shut the car off, i ran the heater full blast,
my lame attempt at trying to cool the engine. absolutely no heat came out at
all. Maybe the coolant wasnt flowing through the heater core?
The check engine light doesn't come on anymore, and i was able to drive the
car about a block to my office after letting it cool for three hours. Didn't
run long enough for the needle to get higher then the very last line on the
temp gauge. Any insight might be helpful if this has happened to anyone else
before. What would the general consensus be here? Water pump? Could it be
anything else? clogged radiator or water hose somewhere? Should i try and
figure out the check engine error code? Should be getting my manuals back in
a couple days, maybe that will help. Should i take it to the dealer? I
really have NO money to spend right now, i hope it's something simple.

Thanks,
Omar
92 r/t


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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 00:22:03 -0400
From: William Lynn Larsen <wlarsen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Records for stock turbos?

Roger,

In reading about the epic battle between more boost and the lack of
octane to prevent detonation and the use of water injection (this was
used on WWII piston fighter planes), I was suddenly struck with absence
of what was supposed to be the savior of the seventies during the feul
crisis: alcohol, or more specifically, methanol. Isn't this how the Indy
cars get around this quandry when ringing all that horsepower out of
those tiny little engines.  I know the mileage is horrible and there are
issues with compatability between methanol and certain materials used
along the feul path, but doesn't it deliver very high octane?? (I am
speaking qualitatively. I have no idea what the numbers are
quantitavely.) And isn't it very, very cheap?

Regards,
Lynn

"R.G." wrote:

> As mentioned in the other message, too much fuel can wash out the walls and
> causing too much ring-wear. But detonation will hurt them also for sure. But
> often more fuel doesn't really help as also more octane is needed to really
> prevent the enemy.
>
> Later,
> Roger
>
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:21:47 -0700
From: "james berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: overheating, NA 92 r/t

>Well i've finally hit my first big problem with my car. I was driving along
>around 40 MPH, check engine light comes on and took a look at my temp
gauge.
>GREAT! the needle is sitting in the red! I also saw that the oil pressure
>was slowly going down. I drove about a block, found somewhere to park and
>shut her off. Everything seems fine, other then it being VERY hot! Oil
level
>was fine, no leaks under the car. Then i looked at the coolant overflow
>bottle. It looks like coolant had leaked out of the overflow tube. Only a
>couple drops on the pavement.


sounds like it might be as simple as a stuck thermostat ---- sudden onset
of problem usually means it's not radiator. Belts are a possibility, but
sense we have a serpentine belt there would be other indications --
alternator, A/C, power steering. Another possibility is water pump but
they usually give advance notice of failure e.g. leaking. The cheap fix
and easy fix is thermostat.

good luck ---   Jim berry  93 TT

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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 23:39:15 -0500
From: "Omar Malik" <ojm@iname.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: overheating, NA 92 r/t

> sounds like it might be as simple as a stuck thermostat ---- sudden onset
> of problem usually means it's not radiator. Belts are a possibility, but
> sense we have a serpentine belt there would be other indications --
> alternator, A/C, power steering. Another possibility is water pump but
> they usually give advance notice of failure e.g. leaking. The cheap fix
> and easy fix is thermostat.
>
> good luck ---   Jim berry  93 TT

Thanks for the quick response Jim, i'll look into these things in the
morning. I really hope it's only the thermostat. If the thermostat didn't
open, would that mean coolant wouldn't flow? Maybe that explains no heat out
of the vents? This happened after driving for about an hour. If the
thermostat failed, wouldn't it fail in the open position?I'll let you guys
know tommorrow. Thanks again for you're help. Don't know what i'd do without
this list.

Omar
92 r/t


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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 00:44:10 -0400
From: Randy MacAulay <rmacaulay@mediaone.net>
Subject: Team3S: Oil leak

I've just recently taken my 94 VR4 out of storage and noticed oil on
the ground just in front of the left front tire.  I thought it was
leaking from the oil filter as it' in the same area so today I changed
the oil and filter and cleaned the area around it.  I've driven the car
a bit and noticed that it's still leaking oil in the same place.  I
haven't had a chance to get underneath it yet, but I was wondering if
this might be a known problem with a simple and inexpensive solution (oh
please, please, PLEASE!)  For what it's worth, the leak seems to be in
FRONT of the oil pan, but I won't know for sure until I get the car up
in the air and can really examine it.

Thanks!
Randy
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 00:48:44 -0400
From: Randy MacAulay <rmacaulay@mediaone.net>
Subject: Team3S: Oil Leak

        I've just recently taken my 94 VR4 out of storage and noticed
oil on the ground
just in front of the left front tire.  I thought it was
leaking from the oil filter as it' in the same area so today I changed
the oil and filter and cleaned the area around it.  I've driven the car
a bit and noticed that it's still leaking oil in the same place.  I
haven't had a chance to get underneath it yet, but I was wondering if
this might be a known problem with a simple and inexpensive solution (oh
please, please, PLEASE!)  For what it's worth, the leak seems to be in
FRONT and to the left of the oil pan, but I won't know for sure until I
get the car up
in the air and can really examine it.   Any suggestions??

        Thanks!
        Randy
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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 22:07:24 -0700
From: jsp <jsp@rancho.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: overheating, NA 92 r/t

thermostat....?......mine did that about a month ago

Omar Malik wrote:

> Well i've finally hit my first big problem with my car. I was driving along
> around 40 MPH, check engine light comes on and took a look at my temp gauge.
> GREAT! the needle is sitting in the red! I also saw that the oil pressure
> was slowly going down. I drove about a block, found somewhere to park and
> shut her off. Everything seems fine, other then it being VERY hot! Oil level
> was fine, no leaks under the car. Then i looked at the coolant overflow
> bottle. It looks like coolant had leaked out of the overflow tube. Only a
> couple drops on the pavement. The frame of the car immediately below the
> bottle was also wet. I took the cap of the bottle, and coolant was slowly
> steaming out. Also, before i shut the car off, i ran the heater full blast,
> my lame attempt at trying to cool the engine. absolutely no heat came out at
> all. Maybe the coolant wasnt flowing through the heater core?
> The check engine light doesn't come on anymore, and i was able to drive the
> car about a block to my office after letting it cool for three hours. Didn't
> run long enough for the needle to get higher then the very last line on the
> temp gauge. Any insight might be helpful if this has happened to anyone else
> before. What would the general consensus be here? Water pump? Could it be
> anything else? clogged radiator or water hose somewhere? Should i try and
> figure out the check engine error code? Should be getting my manuals back in
> a couple days, maybe that will help. Should i take it to the dealer? I
> really have NO money to spend right now, i hope it's something simple.
>
> Thanks,
> Omar
> 92 r/t
>
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 01:20:31 -0400
From: William Lynn Larsen <wlarsen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Oil Leak

Randy,
The oil pan drain plug us a known leaker and it sounds like this may be
where it is coming from.  Try getting a sealing washer or some teflon
tape on the threads.

Regarsd,
Lynn

Randy MacAulay wrote:
>
>         I've just recently taken my 94 VR4 out of storage and noticed
> oil on the ground
> just in front of the left front tire.  I thought it was
> leaking from the oil filter as it' in the same area so today I changed
> the oil and filter and cleaned the area around it.  I've driven the car
> a bit and noticed that it's still leaking oil in the same place.  I
> haven't had a chance to get underneath it yet, but I was wondering if
> this might be a known problem with a simple and inexpensive solution (oh
> please, please, PLEASE!)  For what it's worth, the leak seems to be in
> FRONT and to the left of the oil pan, but I won't know for sure until I
> get the car up
> in the air and can really examine it.   Any suggestions??
>
>         Thanks!
>         Randy
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 22:29:09 -0700
From: "james berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Oil Leak

- ----
By all means try a fiber or copper washer, don't just keep
tighting untill you strip the bolt. Most auto parts stores sell
the washers. Mine leaks also I just haven't gotten around
to it.


>The oil pan drain plug us a known leaker and it sounds like this may be
>where it is coming from.  Try getting a sealing washer or some teflon
>tape on the threads.
>
>Regarsd,
>Lynn
>
>Randy MacAulay wrote:
>>
>>         I've just recently taken my 94 VR4 out of storage and noticed
>> oil on the ground
>> just in front of the left front tire. 

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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 03:21:51 -0500
From: "Todd Schmalzried" <Q11981@email.mot.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Oil Leak

If it isn't the washer, you might want to check the oil cooler lines. My '91
sprung a leak and it didn't take long to go from a drip to a river. The
lines connect to the block at the filter. There is insulation around the
line, so it could be hiding the leak and running it down the line.

Hope it's not this. There are 3 lines and they cost about $200 total.

Randy MacAulay wrote:
>
>         I've just recently taken my 94 VR4 out of storage and noticed
> oil on the ground
> just in front of the left front tire.  I thought it was
 
>
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 01:39:33 -0700
From: Kyle Patton <smite@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: service manuals on CD

I had to format my hard drive and forgot to back up my bookmarks. Could
anyone tell me the url for the 3000GT service manuals on CD? Thanks.


Regards,
Kyle
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 01:40:39 -0700
From: Kyle Patton <smite@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: octane boost in NA's

I was wondering if anyone on the list recommends or is using octane
boost on a regular basis in the NA 3000GT's? I'd like the car to run
more consistently and it seems that 92 octane isnt enough for 10:1
compression anyways. Does anyone recommend a specific brand of octane
boost? Should I use it every fill up, or every other fill up? Thanks for
any info.


Kyle
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 10:39:58 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: overheating, NA 92 r/t

> Thanks for the quick response Jim, i'll look into these things in the
> morning. I really hope it's only the thermostat. If the thermostat didn't
> open, would that mean coolant wouldn't flow?

Yes, exactly. You got the check engine light as the temperature gauge was
sitting in the red and the ECU activates the light as the gauge could be defect

> Maybe that explains no heat out of the vents? This happened after driving
> for about an hour. If the thermostat failed, wouldn't it fail in the open
> position?

The thermostat is a spring loaded bi-metal that switches to open if a specific
temerature is reached (180° or 160°). If the thing breaks the spring keeps it in
closed position. Change it and watch the water temp the next time you drive (10
times around your block) or just let it sit and idle. If the temp goes just a
little higher than the mod position shut it off. Unfortunately, then the water
pump must be replaced but that's not a big deal. I've let change it at the 60k
service too.

Later,
Roger

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93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 10:40:02 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Team3S: More boost = more octane (was: stock turbo record)

> crisis: alcohol, or more specifically, methanol. Isn't this how the Indy
> cars get around this quandry when ringing all that horsepower out of
> those tiny little engines.

I think there are specific rules that say how much octane the gas can have and
what kind it is. Also, as far as I know the turbo engines are not allowed to
have a WI system anymore. AT the F1 Turbo area they got around 1000hp out of an
1.5 litre turbo engine (ahhhhhh). This with 140 octane gas AND water/alcohol
injection.

> I know the mileage is horrible and there are issues with compatability
> between methanol and certain materials used along the feul path, but doesn't
> it deliver very high octane?? (I am speaking qualitatively. I have no idea
> what the numbers are quantitavely.) And isn't it very, very cheap?

I don't know the cost mut availability is a problem too (at least here). You're
absolutely right about methanol and one more important thing is that methanol is
not giving you as good greasing as racing gas.

I'm curently prepare everything for the car to get water injected and in my path
I'll use a mixture between methanol and water. I currently don't know the
balance but it'll be around 1/3 alcohol. This will give the additional power and
octane rating while I do not run in danger that the water freezes in winter.
Also the amount of fuel can be lowered a little on the desired boost level.

Regards,
Roger

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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 10:42:59 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: octane boost in NA's

No, there is no need for octane booster for your car ! Just make sure you are
running good pump gas. You can use a good fuel system cleaner every 30k or so.
This will remove carbon deposits on the valves while cleaning the injectors.

> compression anyways. Does anyone recommend a specific brand of octane
> boost? Should I use it every fill up, or every other fill up? Thanks for
> any info.

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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 10:44:07 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: service manuals on CD

This is the link to Vineets CD Backup manual :

http://www.twingles.com/manualcd/

> I had to format my hard drive and forgot to back up my bookmarks. Could
> anyone tell me the url for the 3000GT service manuals on CD? Thanks.

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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 10:23:13 -0400
From: "Andy Carberry" <acarberry@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: snake eyes mod

You should check the directions at the 3SI site.  I did it the way it states
and did the under dash splice and the light will operate will raise and
lower with the popup switch,  no matter the status of the actual headlight
operation. They will lift with or without the lights on or off.

Andy



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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 09:31:58 -0500
From: Jeff Crabtree <wjcrabtree@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Buyer's index resource.

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to sit at the computer!!!!

I stumbled accross this today.  EXCELLENT resource.  Something for
everybody.

Have fun....and feel free to curse my name for wasting a few hours of
everybody's time.

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    '91 Stealth R/T Turbo(#499)
          '93 Wrangler 4.0L Sport
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 08:39:39 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: octane boost in NA's

Hey, Kyle,

Again, this question never reached the list...  Reread the rules page for
instructions on using the digest (you can't hit reply-- you must address
questions to the main list...)  Whatever gas you choose to use, the computer
reads what's happening and gives it the best setting for that kind of gas.
I always use 93 in my NT, and it always goes like a bat.  Theoretically, the
ECU is set for that octane, so if you're going to higher octane, you might
want to disconnect the battery after a couple of fill-ups, so the ECU can
re-learn what's going on in the engine.  You'll get more answers if you post
to the list...  :-)

Best,

Forrest

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To: TEAM 3/S <stealth-3000gt-digest@list.sirius.com>
Date: Saturday, April 10, 1999 1:43 AM
Subject: Team3S: octane boost in NA's


|I was wondering if anyone on the list recommends or is using octane
|boost on a regular basis in the NA 3000GT's? I'd like the car to run
|more consistently and it seems that 92 octane isnt enough for 10:1
|compression anyways. Does anyone recommend a specific brand of octane
|boost? Should I use it every fill up, or every other fill up? Thanks for
|any info.
|
|
|Kyle
|black '94 3000GT
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 13:17:23 -0400
From: Michael Booker <mrbook@gate.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Oil Leak

William Lynn Larsen wrote:
>
> Randy,
> The oil pan drain plug us a known leaker and it sounds like this may be
> where it is coming from.  Try getting a sealing washer or some teflon
> tape on the threads.
Or a really good (but kinda cheesy way) to make a gasket is to cut a
disc out of an old bike innertube, and then cut the hole in the middle a
bit smaller than the drainn plug, and slip it over. It fits tight, and
doesn't leak.

Matt
#311
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 13:24:45 -0400
From: Randy MacAulay <rmacaulay@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Oil Leak

Michael Booker wrote:

> William Lynn Larsen wrote:
> >
> > Randy,
> > The oil pan drain plug us a known leaker and it sounds like this may be
> > where it is coming from.  Try getting a sealing washer or some teflon
> > tape on the threads.
> Or a really good (but kinda cheesy way) to make a gasket is to cut a
> disc out of an old bike innertube, and then cut the hole in the middle a
> bit smaller than the drainn plug, and slip it over. It fits tight, and
> doesn't leak.
>

    Thanks for the input, but I've already replaced the washer on the drain plug and
there doesn't appear to be any oil leaking around it at all.  I must admit that I was
REALLY hoping there would be though.  I have a feeling that the problem could be
somewhere between the oil pan and the oil cooler.  Any easy (relative term, I know...)
way to access this and check it out??

    Thanks!
    Randy

>
> Matt
> #311
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 14:52:37 -0400
From: William Lynn Larsen <wlarsen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: snake eyes mod

Andy,

I have been considering getting into this thread, not because I want the
snake eyes, but because I would like to be able to run with just the
driving/fog lights on without having to turn on my low beams. From you
statement below, I suppose I could let the lights operate as per normal
(fog lights come on with low beams when you have the fog light button
activated), but leave them in the down position.  I'd have snake eyes
with my fog/driving lights, right??

Regards,
Lynn

Andy Carberry wrote:
>
> You should check the directions at the 3SI site.  I did it the way it states
> and did the under dash splice and the light will operate will raise and
> lower with the popup switch,  no matter the status of the actual headlight
> operation. They will lift with or without the lights on or off.
>
> Andy
>
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 15:12:35 -0400
From: William Lynn Larsen <wlarsen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: octane boost in NA's

Kyle,

I agree totally with Roger and Bob.  I use strictly 93 octane Shell
and/or 93 octane Amoco and have had no problems at all.  If you decide
to go ahead and use booster you should develop a procedure that lets you
put in the same ratio every time: Fill up at 1/4 tank left by putting in
10 gal of gas and 1 bottle of booster (this is for example only!! not
meant to be a recommendation for quantities!!) Then follow Bob's
suggestion after a couple of fill ups (this will make certain that all
of the feul through out the system is consistent) of disconnecting the
battery to reset the ECU.

Are you getting detonation or does the engine want to keep running when
you shut it off??  These would be the kind of things that might make you
want to try the booster.

Regards,
Lynn

Kyle Patton wrote:
>
> I was wondering if anyone on the list recommends or is using octane
> boost on a regular basis in the NA 3000GT's? I'd like the car to run
> more consistently and it seems that 92 octane isnt enough for 10:1
> compression anyways. Does anyone recommend a specific brand of octane
> boost? Should I use it every fill up, or every other fill up? Thanks for
> any info.
>
> Kyle
> black '94 3000GT
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:36:27 -0500
From: "Omar Malik" <ojm@iname.com>
Subject: Team3S: RE: overheating, NA 92 r/t

Thanks to everyone that replied to my original post. Well, it turned out to
be the thermostat, just as everyone had suggested.

But i think between the time it went to the red zone, and the time i saw it
and stopped, something happened to the water pump. I changed the thermostat,
had to put in about 2 gallons of water/antifreeze, warmed the engine up for
10 minutes and started to drive around the block. Everything was fine, temp
gauge stayed where it normally did, heater was pumping out heat. Near the
end of my 30 minute "test" run, i start to hear this nice high pitch
squeel/whine. You know, the kind where you KNOW there's something wrong. I
stopped and got out, and lo and behold, i've got coolant literally raining
out of under the car right underneath where the water pump is.

Well. guess i have to put her up on stands, pull out the good old service
manual and get cracking on the water pump, timing belt and all the other
goodies. I'm kind of glad it was the water pump, and not the timing belt.
Gives me an excuse to do the 60k mile tune up. I guess while i'm at it, i'll
rip everything else off, clean everything and put it back together. Thanks
everyone for the help!

btw, what's the proper way to get rid of coolant? can it be flushed down the
toilet, or do i have to take it somewhere?

Omar
92 r/t


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