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Team3S Digest         Tuesday, March 30 1999         Volume 01 : Number 138




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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 07:41:47 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: First Mod and Missing Link

- -----Original Message-----
From: PFloyd91@aol.com [mailto:PFloyd91@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 1999 11:29 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: First Mod and Missing Link
<snip>
So, I'm trying to figure out if I should just touch up the paint
and give it a good wax job myself and install the K&N, or put
off the K&N and have the finish worked on professionally.
(Why is it, that a simple decision such as this becomes a major
dilemma when one tosses in their "car of a lifetime"?)
<snip>

John Hitzeman
=============================
John...

I doubt you'll find much performance increase with an aftermarket intake and
no other mods. Personally, I'd want my car to look as nice as possible if I
wasn't on a direct path to future mods. On the other hand, any mod step is a
step. Choices, choices...

Looking forward...Chris

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4 (w/HKS Super Flo intake, HKS SBOV, Predator dry
cell battery, bored and polished throttle body, Magnecore 8.5mm wires, HKS
double platinum plugs gapped at .034", GReddy PRofec A boost controller,
GReddy turbo timer, ATR downpipe and test pipe, GReddy catback exhaust,
Eibach 1" drop progressive springs)
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:55:18 -0500
From: josesini <josesini@engin.umich.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Parts For Sale:

I'm buying a 95 VR4 and need to sell the following parts that came off
my
92 Stealth R/T TT AWD

All parts will be shipped via UPS - COD.  I will pay 50% shipping if UPS
GROUND,
UPS 2nd day or next day you pay 100% shipping.

PLEASE respond to me via private email at josesini@engin.umich.edu

NEW PARTS are all 10% to 15% OFF from what I paid.
                                           NEW PRICE  SALE PRICE
===============================================================
Stainless Steel Brake Lines (DOT)             $270      $240
Poterfield R4 Front Brake Pads (91-93 only)   $160      $140
Poterfield R4 Rear Break Pads (91-99)         $100      $ 90
ATE Super Blue Racing Brake Fluid             $ 15      $ 13 *
*FREE if you purchase 3 items above.


USED PARTS are all 30% - 60% OFF from what new ones cost.
                                           NEW PRICE   SALE PRICE
================================================================
Alamo's Stainless Steel Down Pipe w/ (91-93)  $540       $270 
Stainless Steel TEST PIPE                     $ 90       $ 50
Cusco Aluminum Rear Strut Bar                 $255       $200 (Like New)
K&N FIPK CARB Approved                        $155       $ 90
1st Gen DSM BOV w/ Buschur's adaptor          $125       $ 70
Buschur's Short Shifter                       $100       $ 60
Hella H4 Headlight Conversion                 $ 70       $ 40
55/45 Watts clear H4 bulbs  (new)             $ 15       $ 10
55/45 Watts yellow H4 bulbs (new)             $ 15       $ 10
100/85 Watts clear H4 bulbs                   $ 25       $ 15

BORLA SS catback exhaust                      $480       $200 **
**with exchange of your stock one. (must be willing to travel to
Michigan)

Green 92 Dodge Stealth R/T TT, 74,000mi     $44000     $11000 *** 75%
OFF *** :)
New ACT 6puck racing clutch
New 255/40ZR17 Yokohama Nexus tires
New Transfercase
Rebuilt 25 spline 5 speed transmission
Crossdrilled rotors, Metal Matrix pads,
RSR springs, magnecore 8.5mm wires, etc.
Dealership only offered me low $9k for trade-in

PLEASE contact me via private email at josesini@engin.umich.edu.

Thanks,

Jose - Buying a 95 VR4...
josesini@engin.umich.edu
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 19:32:08 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: g p on the clutch

> what models and years does this g p cover

All models and all year :)

Regards,
Roger
 
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 19:38:03 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: First Mod and Missing Link

> > There's also need for any filtercharger kit when cleaning. Just wash with
> > water.
>
> i meant NO need. sorry.

Maybe I did not sayed this the right way ... the Blitz SUS does not fit the
stock MAS and can only be used with an adapter if available or with a VPC mod.

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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:14:14 -0500
From: josesini <josesini@engin.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Parts For Sale:

Joshua,

Yes, the test pipe replaces the catalytic converter and allows me to
hook it up to the BORLA or the stock exhaust.

Yes the strut brace will work on a 94 VR4.

Jose

Joshua wrote:
>
>
> Iwas curious about the test pipe and Rear strut brace.  Is the test pipe the
> piece which goe sin place of the ctalytice converter yet allows you to hook
> it up to the borla exhaust?  Also will the strut brace work on a 94 vr-4?
> Thanks
> -----Original Message-----
> From: josesini
> To: Team3S List; Stealth List
> Sent: 3/29/99 10:55 AM
> Subject: Team3S: Parts For Sale:
>
> I'm buying a 95 VR4 and need to sell the following parts that came off
> my
> 92 Stealth R/T TT AWD
>
> All parts will be shipped via UPS - COD.  I will pay 50% shipping if UPS
> GROUND,
> UPS 2nd day or next day you pay 100% shipping.
>
> PLEASE respond to me via private email at josesini@engin.umich.edu
>
> NEW PARTS are all 10% to 15% OFF from what I paid.
>                                            NEW PRICE  SALE PRICE
> ===============================================================
> Stainless Steel Brake Lines (DOT)             $270      $240
> Poterfield R4 Front Brake Pads (91-93 only)   $160      $140
> Poterfield R4 Rear Break Pads (91-99)         $100      $ 90
> ATE Super Blue Racing Brake Fluid             $ 15      $ 13 *
> *FREE if you purchase 3 items above.
>
> USED PARTS are all 30% - 60% OFF from what new ones cost.
>                                            NEW PRICE   SALE PRICE
> ================================================================
> Alamo's Stainless Steel Down Pipe w/ (91-93)  $540       $270
> Stainless Steel TEST PIPE                     $ 90       $ 50
> Cusco Aluminum Rear Strut Bar                 $255       $200 (Like New)
> K&N FIPK CARB Approved                        $155       $ 90
> 1st Gen DSM BOV w/ Buschur's adaptor          $125       $ 70
> Buschur's Short Shifter                       $100       $ 60
> Hella H4 Headlight Conversion                 $ 70       $ 40
> 55/45 Watts clear H4 bulbs  (new)             $ 15       $ 10
> 55/45 Watts yellow H4 bulbs (new)             $ 15       $ 10
> 100/85 Watts clear H4 bulbs                   $ 25       $ 15
>
> BORLA SS catback exhaust                      $480       $200 **
> **with exchange of your stock one. (must be willing to travel to
> Michigan)
>
> Green 92 Dodge Stealth R/T TT, 74,000mi     $44000     $11000 *** 75%
> OFF *** :)
> New ACT 6puck racing clutch
> New 255/40ZR17 Yokohama Nexus tires
> New Transfercase
> Rebuilt 25 spline 5 speed transmission
> Crossdrilled rotors, Metal Matrix pads,
> RSR springs, magnecore 8.5mm wires, etc.
> Dealership only offered me low $9k for trade-in
>
> PLEASE contact me via private email at josesini@engin.umich.edu.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jose - Buying a 95 VR4...
> josesini@engin.umich.edu
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:17:54 -0600
From: "Gendron, Curt" <Curt.Gendron@westgroup.com>
Subject: Team3S: Question about clutch install

Hey everyone,

I'm definitely in need of a new clutch in the near future, but I haven't
decided on a aftermarket or stock unit.  The group purchase thing is
tempting.  The one question I have is how many hours of labor will it take.
My Mitsubishi dealer said 9-10 hours, but it seems to me some on the list
said 7-8 hours.  Just wanted to get a feel from the group.  If I can
convince my Dealer that it should only take 7-8 hours I know he will only
charge me for that.  hehe.

Thanks,
Curt G
95 R/T TT
and author of Minnesota 3/S at:
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Shop/1044/

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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:39:47 -0600
From: Wayne <wala@hypertech-inc.com>
Subject: Team3S: How much boost...

Anybody know how much boost you can run with no fuel system modifications
on a 1st gen with 13g turbos before experiencing detonation or fuel cut????

Also, will 14psi (if that falls within the range above) with the 13g's give
you more power than the 9b's with the selenoid bypassed?? (~17psi)
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:20:55 -0700
From: "james berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Question about clutch install

>Hey everyone,
>
>.  The one question I have is how many hours of labor will it take.
>My Mitsubishi dealer said 9-10 hours, but it seems to me some on the list
>said 7-8 hours.  Just wanted to get a feel from the group.  If I can
>convince my Dealer that it should only take 7-8 hours I know he will only
>charge me for that.  hehe.
>

the dealer should quote a repair cost from the rate book --- if it
takes two hours he bills for ten if it takes twenty he bills for ten.
Some shops bill actual time but most use some kind of rate
book. Some of these clutch shops are much cheeper but as
I do my own work I don't know about the quality of work. Just
make sure they do the throwout bearing and pilot bushing.

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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:41:31 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: How much boost...

> Anybody know how much boost you can run with no fuel system modifications
> on a 1st gen with 13g turbos before experiencing detonation or fuel cut????

Detonation starts around 1.00bars depending on the ambient. Therefore with a
healthy engine 15 psi is ok but the injectors are getting maxed out quickly !

> Also, will 14psi (if that falls within the range above) with the 13g's give
> you more power than the 9b's with the selenoid bypassed?? (~17psi)

No, but also 17psi is not healthy to the engine without fuel mods. The 13Gs
change the power range and increase the max tourque in the mod rpms.

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Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)

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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:41:31 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: How much boost...

> Anybody know how much boost you can run with no fuel system modifications
> on a 1st gen with 13g turbos before experiencing detonation or fuel cut????

Detonation starts around 1.00bars depending on the ambient. Therefore with a
healthy engine 15 psi is ok but the injectors are getting maxed out quickly !

> Also, will 14psi (if that falls within the range above) with the 13g's give
> you more power than the 9b's with the selenoid bypassed?? (~17psi)

No, but also 17psi is not healthy to the engine without fuel mods. The 13Gs
change the power range and increase the max tourque in the mod rpms.

- -----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)

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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:47:00 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: How much boost...

Hi Wayne;

you wrote:

> Anybody know how much boost you can run with no fuel system modifications
> on a 1st gen with 13g turbos before experiencing detonation or fuel cut????

The Dyno trials in Europe on the 3S cars indicate that 1 bar (about 15psi) will be the
max you can run. Exceeding it may seem okay for awhile but you'll buy into big problems.

>
>
> Also, will 14psi (if that falls within the range above) with the 13g's give
> you more power than the 9b's with the selenoid bypassed?? (~17psi)

Increasing the turbo size won't really offer you much more power without fuel system
upgrades. It's best to look at what Barry, Jack, Roger, etc have done in terms of
balancing their packagew before you test the depth of the water with booth feet.
Otherwise it can become costly, and disheartening.

Best

Darc

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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 16:34:59 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Adventures in braking 1999

I can't believe only one person has an opinion about removing the dust
shield on VR4 brakes.

Does this mean all the road racers from last year have left the discussion
groups?

Rich/old poop/94 VR4
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 16:51:23 -0600
From: "Omar Malik" <ojm@iname.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: First Mod and Missing Link

I guess i should have said earlier. The blitz SUS is available from nexus
motorsports as the N-speed type R filter. They sell the adapter with it,
which is custom made by them. Didn't really want to seem like i was
endorsing anyone..

Omar
92 r/t


> Maybe I did not sayed this the right way ... the Blitz SUS does
> not fit the
> stock MAS and can only be used with an adapter if available or
> with a VPC mod.
>
> -----------------------
> Roger Gerl, Switzerland


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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 16:19:20 -0800
From: Steven Clarke <steve.clarke@e-d-a.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Adventures in braking 1999

I have an opinion.

My VR4 would eat its front rotors every couple of months.  I tried just
about every permutation that I could think of until I found one that
worked:-

I removed the backing plates, cut two slots in the "Active Aero" front dam
and piped a cold air feed using Home Depot flexible aluminum air duct, and
switched to Axxis metal max pads.

I have since put 30,000 fast miles on a new set of stock rotors.  When it
rains I turn off the Active Aero to minimize water spray from the ducts -
the slots in the front air dam were cut, so that they are covered when the
dam retracts.  130+ to zero stops are fade free and my rotors do not warp.

Steve C

- -----Original Message-----
From: Merritt [SMTP:merritt@cedar-rapids.net]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 1999 2:35 PM
To: stealth@starnet.net; stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Adventures in braking 1999

I can't believe only one person has an opinion about removing the dust
shield on VR4 brakes.

Does this mean all the road racers from last year have left the discussion
groups?

Rich/old poop/94 VR4
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:52:18 -0500
From: Del A Kolasinski <pearlvr42c@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Question about clutch install

Curt, there is no way they should charge you that much.  Performance
shops usually charge for 5.5 to 7 hours of labor.  My clutch install, due
to get done this weekend, is running me roughly 5.5 hours of labor fees.
Hope this saves you some money.
Del
PEARLVR42C@juno.com
wisc.dsm.org

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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:22:15 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Adventures in braking 1999

At 04:19 PM 3/29/99 -0800, you wrote:
>I have an opinion.
>I removed the backing plates, cut two slots in the "Active Aero" front dam
>and piped a cold air feed using Home Depot flexible aluminum air duct

Wow. Cutting holes in the dam sounds kind of drastic. I'm trying to imagine
how that would work. Where did the duct work go when you retracted the dam?

>
>I have since put 30,000 fast miles on a new set of stock rotors.  When it
>rains I turn off the Active Aero to minimize water spray from the ducts -
>the slots in the front air dam were cut, so that they are covered when the
>dam retracts. 

This is the part I don't get -- If you retract the dam, doesn't it leave
the ducts exposed?

130+ to zero stops are fade free and my rotors do not warp.

That's what I'm looking for.  Please explain further how it works.

Rich/old poop
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:47:20 EST
From: Dskull@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Re:  Adventure's in Braking

Merrit wrote ;
I can't believe only one person has an opinion about removing the dust
shield on VR4 brakes.

Does this mean all the road racers from last year have left the discussion
groups?

Nag, Nag, Nag :)         I removed mine last year. Cut them off with a dremel
cut off wheel ( several). Left just one portion on that hold the speed sensor
cable.  Can't say if it helped. Theoretically it should. Right now I am
fitting some aluminum sheet metal to the back of the spindle in an attempt to
get more cooling to the rotors. Trying to shape them to pick up air from under
car, and possible hook into a custom 3/4 spoiler.

Dave 93 VR4  - 2 days left before BIG BRAKES :) :)
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:26:42 -0800
From: Steven Clarke <steve.clarke@e-d-a.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Adventures in braking 1999

Drastic yes, not for the faint hearted, but less expensive than a Brembo
upgrade, and safer than drilled rotors.

The duct goes inside the airdam.  I took the air dam off to find the best
location for the ducts.  Taking the air dam off takes 30 min, routing and
fabricating the ducts took approximately 4 hrs.

In order to determine the best location for the slots, I switched the aero
on and off and marked up the level on the front of the dam which retracted
up into the nose cone.  Then I marked-up 6" x 2" slots on either side of
the dam, and re-checked that the marked-up are would fully retract within
the nose cone.  This took a couple of attempts.

Next, I cut the slots and fabricated a ram-cone (between the dam and the
ducting) out of plastic and duct tape (ugly but hidden by the dam).  Then I
wired the outlet end of the ducts to the front A-arm (this also took a
couple of attempts before I got all of the clearances right.

Finally, I replaced the dam and re-worked some of the plumbing in the
process.

I took the whole assembly off to do some other work, and managed to warp my
rotors within a week.

Steve C
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:45:28 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re:  Adventure's in Braking

 I removed mine last year. Cut them off with a dremel
>cut off wheel ( several). Left just one portion on that hold the speed sensor
>cable. 

Wouldn't it have been easier to just take out the three little bolts
holding it in?


>Can't say if it helped.

But it didn't hurt, I take it.

Theoretically it should. Right now I am
>fitting some aluminum sheet metal to the back of the spindle in an attempt to
>get more cooling to the rotors. Trying to shape them to pick up air from
under
>car, and possible hook into a custom 3/4 spoiler.

Take and post a picture when you get it done.

Rich/old poop


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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:57:13 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Adventures in braking 1999

At 05:26 PM 3/29/99 -0800, you wrote:
>Drastic yes, not for the faint hearted, but less expensive than a Brembo
>upgrade, and safer than drilled rotors.

I am impressed by your ingenuity and willingness to do all that work.

I've had a weird idea for tying cooling ducts into the air dam. Tell me if
this would work:

1. Attach a metal bar to the air dam that extends 12 in. on both sides.
2. Attach a folding or hinged scoop to the metal bar so that when the bar
drops down with the air dam, the scoop opens up. When the air dam is up,
the scoop closes and disappears.
3. Route 2-in. hose from the back of the scoop to the rotors.

The ideal places for the scoop and hose are the 5 x 9 in. openings in the
valence on both sides of the air dam.  Whaddaya think? Would this work? Can
a bar be attached to the bottom of the air dam?

At the moment, I have a couple scoops, and plan to fabricate a cooling
system using the 5 x 9 openings. The problem with this solution is the
scoops protrude about 2 in. under the valence, and can easily be ripped off
by a curb or other obstacle. With the air dam idea, they would be up out of
the way during normal driving.

Rich/old poop



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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 21:07:21 -0500
From: William Lynn Larsen <wlarsen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Clutch cross post

Darc,

I posted it on the dragnet list.

Regards,
Lynn

wce@bc.sympatico.ca wrote:
>
> Has any member of this group who subscribes to the other 3S groups,
> cross posted on the clutch group purchase??? The time window is short,
> so a few more added to the tally will give us the next price break. I
> remain steadfastly a solo subscriber so I am a bit in the dark as to
> what traffic is on the other lists. The price is good and can be even
> better with a few more in on the purchase. Go to Roger's home page for
> additional information on the purchase for those interested.
>
> Best
>
> Darc
>
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:22:53 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: Adventures in braking 1999

Hey Steven;

Sounds like a worthy project..a couple more vents with ducts into the engine bay might
also lower temps there. Just a thought. Also, would drilling small holes along the
bottom of the tubing allow for water drainage if you wanted to, or needed to, run it
functional in the rain??

Best

Darc



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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:13:14 -0500
From: Ron Thompson <rtetetet@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: g p on the clutch

Roger, are you sure, the RPS link only shows to 94 or 95. If they will
fit a 96 VR4, I'll sign up.

Ron

"R.G." wrote:
>
> > what models and years does this g p cover
>
> All models and all year :)
>
> Regards,
> Roger
>
> -----------------------
> Roger Gerl, Switzerland
> 93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
>
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 23:05:15 EST
From: Klusmanp@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Bad clutch master or slave cyl?

I've been having problems with the clutch on my '91 VR4. Once or twice a day
now I get a nearly resistance-less motion on the clutch pedal for about half
the clutch pedal stroke when I step on the pedal to shift. The clutch does
disengage, allowing me to shift, but when I let out the pedal once again the
clutch hooks up much earlier than normal (i.e. the clutch did not go full
travel when I stepped on the clutch pedal to shift - it just went far enough
to barely disengage)

I can get the clutch to return to normal operation by stepping on the clutch
pedal several times while in neutral. I intrepret this as building up pressure
in the system once again. I had the system bled several days ago - didn't
help.

So, I think I have a bad master or slave cylinder. But which one? I don't have
any leakage from the slave and the level of the fluid in the reservior doesn't
change as far as I can tell, so I think the master is bad.

That is all fine and dandy, but a Mitsu parts dealer who posted to this group
tells me that he sells a few slaves now and then, but doesn't even stock the
master as he never sells any. Hmmm.

I need as many replies as I can get reporting failure of either the slave or
master cylinder for the clutch. Also please report year and model - SL, VR4,
RT, RT/TT, etc. I'm trying to get a better idea of the regularity of failures
for the slave vs. master. This will help me make a more educated wag. Please
private email to me. I'll tally the results and post for others general
knowledge.

Thanks!

Paul Klusman
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 00:39:42 EST
From: UNCLEDONUT@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: GAB Sport strut prices

Hi, 

  I am thinking of switching over to GAB Sport struts on my '91 R/T TT and was
wondering who has the best prices for them.  So far, I've only seen prices in
the $750.00-$800.00 range.  Is there anywhere lower than that?

Thanks,

- -Dave Rich
'91 R/T (soon to be a kidney pounder) TT
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 23:25:50 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: GAB Sport strut prices

I don't know who has the best price but I got mine from Chien at Nexus for a
decent deal last year sometime.

I'm sure you weren't serious about the kidney pounding bit, but I think
you'll find the GABs to be firm yet supple.  Hrmmm...sounds
like...nevermind.  Best not to go there.

I consider the GABs on my '94 the single best improvement period, and that
includes the addition of all the go fast goodies.  GABs rule.


Barry

> -----Original Message-----
>
> Hi,
>
>   I am thinking of switching over to GAB Sport struts on my '91
> R/T TT and was
> wondering who has the best prices for them.  So far, I've only
> seen prices in
> the $750.00-$800.00 range.  Is there anywhere lower than that?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Dave Rich
> '91 R/T (soon to be a kidney pounder) TT

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:27:37 -0500
From: Shawn Dewey <sdewey@dmv.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: GAB Sport strut prices

RD Enterprises, I believe has the cheapest prices on these. They can be
found at www.shox.com

If I remember correctly mine were 768 shipped for all 4.
Be prepared to wait for the struts for a while, I ordered mine in December
and finally received them in February. The guys at RD are great though. It
was completely the fault of GAB, since they do not stock these units in the
US.

I finally have installed the GAB's on my 93 VR4. They are a fantastic
improvement. I matched them up with a set of H&R springs and 275/40/17
Firestone SZ 50's from Tire Rack at the same time and the car handles
fantastic. I will have some pictures scanned in soon. Just got them
developed. The fronts took about 3 hours to do and the backs were about 2
hours. Now I just have to get it re-aligned. Well worth the price!

Car handled fine at Summit Point drivers school where I just got back from
instructing this weekend. Car does 140mph on the front straight with nary a
wiggle, and that is only cruising out of turn 10 at about 50mph. I didn't
want to have to find the limit of the brakes in turn 1. Scares the students
silly =:o


>  I am thinking of switching over to GAB Sport struts on my '91 R/T TT and
was
>wondering who has the best prices for them.  So far, I've only seen prices in
>the $750.00-$800.00 range.  Is there anywhere lower than that?

- -shawn dewey

'91 Stealth R/T nonturbo 15.426 @ 90.68 (in the happy hands of a new owner!)
'93 3000GT VR4 12.98 @ 107 mph
'91 Talon TSI AWD 13.6 @ 98.8 (the commuter car, yeah right! :)
'95 Talon ESi SCCA Race Car (SSC class)
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:39:52 -0500
From: William Lynn Larsen <wlarsen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: GAB Sport strut prices

Shawn,

Is changing the struts something someone with average hand tools can do
at home?

Regards,
Lynn

Shawn Dewey wrote:
>
> I finally have installed the GAB's on my 93 VR4. They are a fantastic
> improvement. I matched them up with a set of H&R springs and 275/40/17
> Firestone SZ 50's from Tire Rack at the same time and the car handles
> fantastic. I will have some pictures scanned in soon. Just got them
> developed. The fronts took about 3 hours to do and the backs were about 2
> hours. Now I just have to get it re-aligned. Well worth the price!
>
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:38:44 -0600
From: Scott J Cowan <sjc0u812@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Bad clutch master or slave cyl?

Paul:

>I've been having problems with the clutch on my '91 VR4. Once or twice
>a day
>now I get a nearly resistance-less motion on the clutch pedal for
>about half
>the clutch pedal stroke when I step on the pedal to shift. The clutch

<major snip>

Sounds like the same problem I am correcting today.    VR4's have a
vacuum assist for the clutch.  Mine failed as part of a combination of
things relative to clutch replacement.  I think the part was like $150
from Tall. Mitsu.  Hope this helps.

Regards,

Scott
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:51:27 -0800
From: Yoss <yoss@aracnet.com>
Subject: Team3S: Speed Bleeder Size Info

Greetings folks,
        I'd like to verify if the brake bleeder screw size for the '97 3000GT
        VR4 is 1.0x10mm.  I talked to a Speedbleeder rep. and she informed me
        that this was the size she had in her "majik decoder ring" book but
        she also warned me that she received a few returns from a certain
        3000GT club members 'cuz the bleeders don't fit in their cars.

        I also checked with my local Mitsu parts dept. and all he has for
        size is 'M10' for all four corners.

        Any help is appreciated.

Thanks!
- -sankar

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