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Team3S Digest          Sunday, March 28 1999          Volume 01 : Number 136




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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 03:42:37 -0500
From: Jason and Cristy Barnhart <phnxgld@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: AVC-R installation (???)

Barry,
  I'm not exactly sure what rpms I'm seeing these boost levels.  I would estimate that
I'm seeing the peak between 2-4k, as high as 1.2 atmosphere.  It'll stay above 1.0 for a
bit, then fall back down.  I was able to stay at or very near .80 in third all the way
to redline, but it seems that in 2nd, it'll fall down to .50.  It seems to be able to
peak near 1.2 in any gear, 1-6.  I am not able to notice a difference with the unit off,
although I've not run it long with the unit off.

Roger,
  By smooth acceleration, I meant that there is no stumbles.  I would think that if I
was running out of fuel, I could feel it in the acceleration.
  Those acceleration runs were done with only the filter for mods, and dealing with
stumbles due to old plugs/wires.  My 60' seems painfully high for a run that fast, it
seems reasonable to think I should be able to get 1.7* 60' times, that would knock about
2 tenths of a second off my 60', and ATLEAST 2 tenths of a second off my 1/4 mile time
if I was able to drive it as well after 60'.  *Supposedly*, Adam Weltz ran 12.32 (?) or
near with a boost controller, filter, and exhaust.  Not sure if his cats were gutted and
whether he had a downpipe or not.  I'm getting the impression that the factory exhaust
isn't a big hinderance, especially after gutted cats, until you start talking much more
power.  I don't see any reason at all that I won't be able to get 12s, atleast,
considering the above.  Besides missing third gear (14.07), my slowest runs have been
13.7s.  I've had several 13.6s and 2 13.3s.  All runs were done with the same mods, the
majority of the slower runs were done with slip clutch launches, the quicker ones were
done with dump clutch launches (spinning excessively, even leaving smoke) and speed
shifting.
  I know that it's possible to read lower psi after moving to aftermarket exhaust.  This
wouldn't mean a drop in power as it would flow more air, but there would be less
restriction and therefore less pressure.  I'm wondering if the same isn't possible with
gutting the cats, I wouldn't see why not.  Also, Barry mentioned that he had seen up to
12.5 psi with his 94 with stock mods.  I dunno if this included a filter and gutted
cats, or similar, but that could also explain why I haven't noticed a big difference.

Darc,
  I was hoping you were right, then I looked at the Apexi book and it shows the IDC wire
location as being the same for both M1 and M3, plus my harnesses look identicle to M1
and the IDC is the ony wire I tapped into on the ECU.  I hated having to mess with the
ECU, and could find no reason that the ign key, constant power, and ground would be any
different anywhere in the car, so I used the ones leading to my stereo.

All,
  Something is definately amiss, and now I feel certain the the controller is doing
nothing more than measuring.  I just woke up after a 12+ hour nap, and it's dark, cold,
and scary outside right now, so I'll have to check the install tomorrow.  I had been
planning on visiting Mike's shop (Altered Atmosphere) tomorrow, perhaps he can take a
look.  A couple things about the install concerned me.  The Apexi's solenoid nipples are
6pi, but everything on the car was 4pi.  What I did was run the 6pi hose, the insert a
small section of the factory 4pi hose in the end, right before it attached to the
vehicle, the y-pipe fitting, etc.  I later decided this is probably fine as the Apexi
kit comes with 6pi-4pi adapters.  The only other thing that bothered me somewhat was
that when I tapped into the t/b hose going to the factory pressure sensor and t'd it to
the apexi sensor, it left a bend in the hose going to the factory pressure sensor.  It
certainly isn't crimped, and is hardly bent, but this, if it is bad, would lead to
exactly the problems I'm having, no?  The bend in the line could make the car's pressure
sensor think that boost is higher than it actually is, maxxing my injecors.  Because
boost isn't actually that high, and the bend is after the t fitting going to the apexi
sensor, the apexi is showing fairly normal boost readings, but it won't learn cause the
injectors are maxxed.  This would explain no increase in power, and the maxxed
injectors...  I hope that makes sense, and is the problem, I'll mess with it tommorow...

thanks again,
Jason

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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 09:50:34 +0100
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Maintenance question, GSXR 750 vs 3000GT

Merritt wrote:
>
> >I am curious what everyone else here has been spending on
> >maintenance for the 91-93's
>
> I've had a 94 VR4 for nearly a year. It  has about 65,000 miles.
> Except for 2 oil changes (Mobil 1), I have had NO maintenance expenses. My
> warranty covered a new Getrag transmission, so that cost me $100 to
> replace.  Of course, it's not a daily driver. I've put less than 5,000
> miles on it so far.

I bought my '94 with 34k and it now has 70k, Mobil 1 and Mitsu filter
every 5k, 60k service along with almost all mods at 50k (with the AVC-R
set to 1.00 bar).
This car has been exetremely reliable, just as I'd hoped a Japanese car
would be.  Only problems that have cropped up are minor (so minor that
I've been ignoring them): lifter tick (goes away when I rev RPMs, so I'm
not worried), a noisy exhaust heat shield, warped rotors, and active
exhaust keeps sticking (I can spray it with WD-40 to unstick, but then
it resticks again since I so rarely use it).  I do have a set of Jack's
synchros in case I ever need them, but while the shifting is a tad
notchy, it has been that way since the day I bought the car and hasn't
gotten any worse, so who knows.
I have been extremely happy with the car and don't think I could find
anything else that comes close to its level of performance (400 hp!),
reliability (no unscheduled maintenance in the 36k miles I've owned
it!), safety (dual air bags, ABS), practicality (all season car, baby
seat in back), style (head turner, especially over here in Europe) and
in general satisfaction for anywhere near the price, with or without
expensive repairs if they are eventually needed.
I understand that there are several first gen turbos that are still
going after 150k-200k miles with no problems, so both generations were
built well and should be very reliable if maintained properly.
I have also heard some horror stories and can understand if an owner
decides to dump a particular car and bail out.  As for the Honda Accord
(I sold my '89 LXi coupe to buy the Stealth), it is an excellent car
with much improved styling and bulletproof reliability.  Handling is
very good but as a performance car I'm afraid it is not in the same
league.  Still a lot of fun to drive!


> >Another question, I heard tell that someone here raced a sportbike with
> thier GT...

Not much chance of any cage beating out a two-wheeler, but the surprise
aspect makes it fun to try! :-)

- --
Jim Matthews - Wiesbaden, Germany
matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (64 Kbps ISDN)
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews

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K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 72% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
Metal Matrix brake pads, custom braided brake lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 168mph
G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 406 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft torque

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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 07:38:47 -0500
From: Jason and Cristy Barnhart <phnxgld@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Maintenance question, GSXR 750 vs 3000GT

Andrew Brilliant wrote:

> Another question, I heard tell that someone here raced a sportbike with thier GT, Jack T. I
> think?  What are your 0-60 times?  My GSXR 750, timed at 2.9 sec's, with me riding it, and
> I've read as low as 2.8.  What kind of bike did you race, and what conditions?  I saw a
> race between the Ducati Superbike team, and a Formula 1 car on TV, an F1 got spanked
> nicely.  I would love to see your beast in action..

  I dunno about Jack's 60mph times, but he's turned 10s in the 1/4.  Street versions of the
Mclaren can do 60 in 3.2, dunno about the racing version, which I understand has few
differences besides gearing for *better* acceleration.  The 911 turbo, and viper GTS, stock,
can do 60 in the upper 3s, if I'm not mistaken, the 959 and Bugatti EB110 (quad turbo 3.5 liter
V12, AWD) were around 3.5.  The F40 is in the upper 3s I think, and you can read about Jack's
race with it in the 3000gt.com.  If I recall correctly, Jack was running on pump gas, less
boost, and the guy refused to race from a dead stop.  I don't think the F40 ever got more than
a car length ahead.  I also recall a bike magazine doing comparisons of several bikes, and
there were several, maybe half that couldn't hit 0-60 in under 3 seconds, they were around
3.2.  Most of the 1/4 mile times were in the upper 10s, but these weren't your average guys
driving either.
  About F1 cars.  I know more about Indy cars, and little about both.  I would think that F1 is
just as fast, if not faster.  At any rate, an article I read awhile ago spoke of an Indy car
averaging 240mph on an oval (that's one for Nascar lovers :P  ).  He did the whole track, 2
miles I think, in roughly 30 seconds.  God only knows what he topped out at, but onto more
facts...  They were speaking of limitting hp output from 800-600, don't recall the engine size,
but it was tiny, around 1.5 liters if I'm not mistaken.  I also recall reading of Indy or F1
cars reaching 100mph in just under 3 seconds, dunno how true it was, but sounds possible.  More
hp than a Mclaren, and it's gotta weigh less.  Sorry, but I find that TV show hard to swallow.
I also thought cars had the potential to outhandle bikes, was this straight-line acceleration
or a road course?
  There are several stories of 3000gts beating motorcycles, and I don't think most owners of
bikes are turning regular sub 3 second acceleration runs, even though the bike has the
potential, the driver may not.  How in the world did you clock yerself 0-60, I found it hard to
do the same, accurately, in a car.  Stock vs Stock I don't think there's much competition,
surprise helps alot though.

Jason

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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 08:18:33 -0500
From: William Lynn Larsen <wlarsen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: change to synthetic oil

Darc or whoever,

What are the recommended products to use for flushing the crankcase and
oil journals??

Regards,
Lynn '93 ES #0232

wce@bc.sympatico.ca wrote:
>
> Hi Ken;
>
> I own a 92 Stealth TT and found an oil flush rinsed out the baked fosil
> oils and deposits which caused ticking, restricted lines, etc. Once
> flushed and Mobil 1 sythetic was put in, I noticed a lack of ticking.
> When or if it comes back, I plan to use a flush again.
>
> Best
>
> Darc
>
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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 06:21:48 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: change to synthetic oil

- -----Original Message-----
From: William Lynn Larsen [mailto:wlarsen@ibm.net]
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 1999 5:19 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: change to synthetic oil

Darc or whoever,

What are the recommended products to use for flushing the crankcase and
oil journals??

Regards,
Lynn '93 ES #0232
===========================
I've used the product labeled "Motor Flush". It comes in a one quart can for
$3.00 and requires 5 minutes at idle. A salesman told me it's nothing more
than kerosene, but I'll stick with a labeled product when I flush. It
eliminated the "ticking" at idle and (hopefully) removed any traces of burnt
oil in the turbos and any deposits left from the previous owners use of dino
oil with Slick 50.

Looking forward...Chris

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4 (w/HKS Super Flo intake, HKS SBOV, Predator dry
cell battery, bored and polished throttle body, Magnecore 8.5mm wires, HKS
double platinum plugs gapped at .034", GReddy PRofec A boost controller,
GReddy turbo timer, ATR downpipe and test pipe, GReddy catback exhaust,
Eibach 1" drop progressive springs)
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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 07:27:54 -0700
From: "james berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: change to synthetic oil

>
>What are the recommended products to use for flushing the crankcase and
>oil journals??



I used an oil flush made by Gunk --- It worked fine, but no miracles.

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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 11:33:17 -0500
From: William Lynn Larsen <wlarsen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: change to synthetic oil

Thanks for the input, I used to use Castrol 20-50, but have been using
Castrol Syntec for about 2-3 years now.  Do you think the flush will
still
be necessary or could I just switch to Mobil 1 in attempt to stop valve
lash
adjuster ticking when cold??  Since winter is over the ticking is not so
bad,
but when cold, I noticed that the ticking was more prevalent and the oil
pressure stayed lower.  I assume that is because the oil never got hot
enough
to raise the viscosity much.

Regards,
Lynn

james berry wrote:
>
> I used an oil flush made by Gunk --- It worked fine, but no miracles.

chris winkley wrote:
>
> I've used the product labeled "Motor Flush". It eliminated the "ticking" at idle
> and (hopefully) removed any traces of burnt oil in the turbos and any deposits
> left from the previous owners use of dino oil with Slick 50.
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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 08:40:27 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: AVC-R installation (???)

Jason;
snip

>   I was hoping you were right, then I looked at the Apexi book and it shows the IDC wire
> location as being the same for both M1 and M3, plus my harnesses look identicle to M1
> and the IDC is the ony wire I tapped into on the ECU.  I hated having to mess with the
> ECU, and could find no reason that the ign key, constant power, and ground would be any
> different anywhere in the car, so I used the ones leading to my stereo.

Sounds reasonable, logical, and all of that practical stuff, however....But Apexi wants you
to tap into the harness in the directions or they'd say tap into the most easily available
source for the ground and power. I wonder if this isn't the problem...possibly there is a
big differrence if it is not routed through the ECU. Just my thought on the problem

Best

Darc


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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 08:49:45 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: change to synthetic oil

Hi Lynn;

Use the Gunk product if available (it's a 5 minute flush at idle like Chris's product, I
believe) and then change filter and oile to Mobil 1 ( I use 10-30). For the few bucks
extra and another 5 or 10 minutes, it's worth comapring the results. Follow directions
on the product you buy.

Best

Darc

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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:03:46 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: AVC-R installation (???)

The AVC-R requires two positive power sources.  One which is always on to
keep the program memory alive and the other which is switched with the
ignition.  So long as you have done that then you should be fine.  If not,
then you should fix that or the AVC-R will never remember learned settings
after the ignition is turned off.

Remember that pi 4 hose you mentioned stuffing into the end of the pi 6
hose?  Are you certain that it is airtight?


Barry

> -----Original Message-----
>
> Jason;
> snip
>
> >   I was hoping you were right, then I looked at the Apexi book
> and it shows the IDC wire
> > location as being the same for both M1 and M3, plus my
> harnesses look identicle to M1
> > and the IDC is the ony wire I tapped into on the ECU.  I hated
> having to mess with the
> > ECU, and could find no reason that the ign key, constant power,
> and ground would be any
> > different anywhere in the car, so I used the ones leading to my stereo.
>
> Sounds reasonable, logical, and all of that practical stuff,
> however....But Apexi wants you
> to tap into the harness in the directions or they'd say tap into
> the most easily available
> source for the ground and power. I wonder if this isn't the
> problem...possibly there is a
> big differrence if it is not routed through the ECU. Just my
> thought on the problem
>
> Best
>
> Darc

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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 12:25:10 -0500
From: Don Kessler <dgkessler@ameritech.net>
Subject: Team3S: Spring Startup

I stored my 1993 R/T TT covered in the driveway for the winter (long
here in Michigan).  All fluids were changed and topped up as necessary.
And the battery was removed. I know that the ECU will need to relearn
when the battery is replaced, and I may experience some flaky idle.  I
had no code set in the radio.  Anything else I can be prepared for?

Thanks,

Don
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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 12:46:07 -0500
From: Jason and Cristy Barnhart <phnxgld@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: AVC-R installation (???)

  The electrical sources are correct in that the ign lead is seeing ign power and the
constant power lead is seeing constant power.  Other than that it should not matter what
location they come from.
  I actually used one of the included 6pi-4pi adapters, with clamps on both sides,
pretty sure it's ok, cept for the change in hose diameter maybe.  I actually missed a
couple steps from your instructions, doh...  I only got as far as the y-pipe hose, and
the hose coming from the 4way adapter, atleast it runs right and my engine is ok...
I've still got to cut and cap the other hoses.

Jason

Barry E. King wrote:

> The AVC-R requires two positive power sources.  One which is always on to
> keep the program memory alive and the other which is switched with the
> ignition.  So long as you have done that then you should be fine.  If not,
> then you should fix that or the AVC-R will never remember learned settings
> after the ignition is turned off.
>
> Remember that pi 4 hose you mentioned stuffing into the end of the pi 6
> hose?  Are you certain that it is airtight?

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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 15:01:15 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Adventures in braking--1999

Fellow road racers:

Took the first step in preparing the car today for the 1999
Porsche/Vette/5.0  wars:
I replaced the front rotors on my 94 VR4 with new PowerSlots.

As some of you may recall, last year I broke one PowerSlot (snapped it in
half), and the company replaced both of the rotors.

I'm leaving the old carbon metallics on for a week or so to help season the
rotors, then I'll stick in new Performance Friction pads a week before the
Porsche club event in Topeka.

Whilst I was in there changing rotors, I wondered if I should remove the
shielding around each rotor. I thought I'd ask youse guys first, since some
of you have already been there.

The shielding's purpose, I guess, is to keep dirt from getting on the
rotor, and to provide a mount for the ABS sensor hose. It seems like it is
also preventing cooling air from getting to the rotor  (unless those
odd-shaped projections are some kind of a demon air flow scheme).

Does anyone know any reason why I should not remove the shield?
Izzit OK to just let the ABS sensor hose hang loose, or should I anchor it
somewhere with a tiewrap?

I'm planning to run a 2-in. hose from a scoop under the front valence up to
the brakes, but with the shield in place, there doesn't seem to be any
place to direct the air. I'm s'posed to direct the cooling air to the
center of the rotor, so it can disperse equally.

Any ideas on any of this?

Rich/old poop/94 VR4




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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 14:28:03 -0700
From: Andrew Brilliant <andrewb@infowest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Maintenance question, GSXR 750 vs 3000GT

Pete Ryner wrote:

> I bought my 91 new along with an extended warranty for 7 years.  The only problems I encountered were brake rotors (changed at 15K), the speedo (changed at 20K), lifters (make a "ticking" sound and changed at 40K) and trannys.  I've had

- -snip-

how does it compare, you'd compare those two... it's about like a F-15 vs a 747..

BTW I am selling the 91 for $8500  anyone?? please, just get me out of this thing.  The dealership offered my $8k for the trade, I think it's worth a little more.

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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 14:46:38 -0700
From: Andrew Brilliant <andrewb@infowest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Maintenance question, GSXR 750 vs 3000GT

> hp than a Mclaren, and it's gotta weigh less.  Sorry, but I find that TV show hard to swallow.
> I also thought cars had the potential to outhandle bikes, was this straight-line acceleration
> or a road course?
>   There are several stories of 3000gts beating motorcycles, and I don't think most owners of
> bikes are turning regular sub 3 second acceleration runs, even though the bike has the
> potential, the driver may not.  How in the world did you clock yerself 0-60, I found it hard to
> do the same, accurately, in a car.  Stock vs Stock I don't think there's much competition,
> surprise helps alot though.

- -snip-

I found the Ducati show hard to belive also, I was sure that the F1 would have left the superbikes
behind.  It could have been rigged, given it was at Ducati's anniversary party, so It was far from
a sanctioned test you know.  THe bikes were taking him on the turns, and low speed acceleration.
The car blew by them on the straights, after 5 laps the bikes had anywhere from a car length to
100ft on the F1.  The 500cc 2 stroke led the pack, followed by the 916, and the 748.

I clocked thi gixxer at LV speedway it was during Skip Barber school last summer.  Magazine dyno's
are as high as around 120 hp for stock 98+ GSXR 750.  Claimed weight is 398lbs dry.  We just sort
of used the equipent they had, a radar gun with a timer, you set the speed you want to time to.  We
had to do it about 6 times, because it was really hard to get the radar to stay fixed on a tiny
GSX'R.. The 1/4 was 10.886 speed I dunno?  I wheelied 1st.

Last night there were 3 of us at a stoplight next to a Viper GTS year unknown.  CBR 900RR, and two
of us on gixxer 750's  The viper got all sideways for about 1/2 block, we left him way back.  He
just couldn't hook up.  The next light he hooked up good, and we still toasted him.  He was really
pissed.  I yelled " I only paid 10% of  what you paid for that"  I am confident a $1800 modded VR-4
could have run with that Viper.

As far as corenering, I do know that my stock 91 VR-4 with a leaky strut worked a number over on my
roomates 97 YZF 1000

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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 16:00:43 -0600
From: "Paul T. Golley" <ptgolley@ro.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Camber fix for lowering springs

Subject: Team3S: Camber fix for lowering springs
>the low down on how to fix the negative camber created by lowering
>springs.
>extra positive camber. This means make the holes longer toward the
>engine bay, not toward the wheel.

Ron- Thanks for your reaponse!   I think you may have misinterpreted your
suspension guy, or he's
inexperienced:
Moving the  upper mounts toward the engine bay will
increase the excessive negative camber caused by
lowering springs.

>The rear is different because the front struts mount to the spindles
>The rear you must elongate the sub frame where the lower control arm
>attaches near the differential. adjuster for
>the camber adjustment and the lower is fixed. Again, don't widen, just
>elongate, this time toward the wheel.

Again, elongating the lower member controlling the camber
of the rear wheel, will only increase the undesireable
excessive negative  camber resulting from lowering springs.

Regards, ptg


PS: If anyone on the list thinks I'm wrong in this post
regarding suspension, please yell about it! I should
also say I am assuming that positive camber is the
outward tilt of the weel/tire centerline.

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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:55:07 -0500
From: Ron Thompson <rtetetet@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Camber fix for lowering springs

 Again, elongating the lower member controlling the camber
> of the rear wheel, will only increase the undesireable
> excessive negative  camber resulting from lowering springs.
>
Not really. The lower arm would pull in the the lower portion of the
wheel if moved toward the centerline of the car. Look at the
suspension illustration in the manual. The sub frame where the lower
control arm attaches is around the differential. The yoke that the
control arm is bolted through is what must be elongated so you can
move the control arm more towards the center of the car taking out the
negative camber. see ASCII below.

/ \  this is negative camber showing wheel angles


/_  if the horizontal line is the lower control arm it must be moved
to the right to remove the negative camber.

You are literally moving the pivot point of the lower control arm to
compensate for the lack of adjustment.

It was my mistake in the original post about the direction that the
holes need to be slotted. I corrected that. As far as my suspension
mechanic being inexperienced, I doubt Ebby Lunken would let any idiot
work on his Ferrari or Lamborginis. Or Jim Jaeger(former owner of
Escort radar detectors) or a host of race car owners from 8 states
around. He is also a former McClaren crew chief. I included this in
the original post.

I will be having this done in about a week. I will borrow the company
digital camera and document the process.

Ron
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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 16:54:54 -0600
From: Ken Taft <kentaft@cwix.com>
Subject: Team3S: home depot ram air

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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:02:25 -0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Adventures in braking--1999

General motors has decided that their F-Body and saturn cars do not need
inner shields.  I see no need for the shields, especially since you will be
changing pads <5,000 miles.

Be sure to tie the ABS line with a tie wrap or something, as vibration will
kill wires.

> Brad
> Check out my home page:    http://lonestar.texas.net/~bbedell
> E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682


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[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com] On Behalf Of Merritt
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 1999 3:01 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com; stealth@starnet.net
Subject: Team3S: Adventures in braking--1999

Fellow road racers:

Took the first step in preparing the car today for the 1999
Porsche/Vette/5.0  wars:
I replaced the front rotors on my 94 VR4 with new PowerSlots.

As some of you may recall, last year I broke one PowerSlot (snapped it in
half), and the company replaced both of the rotors.

I'm leaving the old carbon metallics on for a week or so to help season the
rotors, then I'll stick in new Performance Friction pads a week before the
Porsche club event in Topeka.

Whilst I was in there changing rotors, I wondered if I should remove the
shielding around each rotor. I thought I'd ask youse guys first, since some
of you have already been there.

The shielding's purpose, I guess, is to keep dirt from getting on the
rotor, and to provide a mount for the ABS sensor hose. It seems like it is
also preventing cooling air from getting to the rotor  (unless those
odd-shaped projections are some kind of a demon air flow scheme).

Does anyone know any reason why I should not remove the shield?
Izzit OK to just let the ABS sensor hose hang loose, or should I anchor it
somewhere with a tiewrap?

I'm planning to run a 2-in. hose from a scoop under the front valence up to
the brakes, but with the shield in place, there doesn't seem to be any
place to direct the air. I'm s'posed to direct the cooling air to the
center of the rotor, so it can disperse equally.

Any ideas on any of this?

Rich/old poop/94 VR4




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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 18:01:13 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Adventures in braking--1999

At 05:02 PM 3/27/99 -0600, you wrote:
>General motors has decided that their F-Body and saturn cars do not need
>inner shields.  I see no need for the shields, especially since you will be
>changing pads <5,000 miles.

More like every 1,000 miles. A weekend at a drivers school is a lifetime
for brake pads.
>
>Be sure to tie the ABS line with a tie wrap or something, as vibration will
>kill wires.

Good idea.
>
Rich/old poop
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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 19:46:32 +0000
From: "J. Stephen Gula" <loco3kgt@widomaker.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: home depot ram air

> Ken Taft wrote:
>
> Lynn!  Sorry I should of Explained About the Ram Air, I just thought
> everbody visited the 3Si.org Web page under mod's and read about this.
> Visit it for all the Details And by the way Has Any body Made This And
> Does it Really Work
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I saw the original set up in the blue Stealth. Personally I wouldn't
have done it the way he did it. Actually closing off the filter with the
exception of what gets sucked thru the pipe doesn't seem right. If it
didn't completely enclose the filter I'd suggest it, but I can't say
riveting sheet metal completely around it is the best way to go. The
best and only "true" ramair is to cut a hole in your hood and run a
scoop right over the filter. Runnin more than a foot of pipe that has
any kind of bend in it kills the purpose of ramair. Cause for every inch
the air travels, it's going to slow down. And every bend severely kills
the velocity of the air. Of course, if you completely reran the intake
piping, relocated the air sensor and had a hole in your hood (or a
scoop) like Brian of GT Alley had (can't believe I'm referencing to him)
you'd have a nice ramair setup going for ya.

- --Steve "Loco3KGT" Gula
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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 20:43:01 -0700
From: "jefyoung" <jefyoung@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Team3S: Thermostat

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Thanks

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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 13:19:25 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Team3S: RPS clutch Group Purchase ! Day 1

Friends,

I've a ctivated the Team3S Group Purchase Information Page. You'll find the
first GP there and hopefully some more in the future :)

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/9589/group_purchase.html

The GP on the RPS clutches for our cars (N/T and Turbo) is ACTIVE and will stay
open till the end of the week. This time limit is due to the long wait for up to
two months for the clutches until they are made and shipped and some of us just
can't wait for them.

So jump to the page and write me a message to join the GP. The more we'll get
together the better the price will be !

Thanks,
Roger

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93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
K&N FIPK,Magnecor wires,Blitz DSBC/gauge/Dual Timer,Apexi AFC,HKS SBOV,
ATR DP/ tespipe,Borla Cat-back,OZ Mito2 rims,Yoko AVS-Z1,braided brake lines,
Bremsa brakes,Pagid RS-R pads

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