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Team3S Digest          Friday, March 5 1999          Volume 01 : Number 117




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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 08:44:02 -0600
From: Wayne <wala@hypertech-inc.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Brake caliper saga continues...

No, i haven't driven it. I will today. Last night after work, i installed
the caliper, and bled the brakes. Today at lunch i'm putting my rear cat
bypass pipe in and then it will be road worthy. I guess i'll find out if
removing the rear cat and installing a Trust exhaust does anything for
power. Then i'll move on to fabricating a down pipe.

Wayne




At 07:25 PM 3/3/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>[Brian Danley]  So have you driven it yet?  How are the calipers?


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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 08:44:50 -0600
From: Wayne <wala@hypertech-inc.com>
Subject: Team3S: More brake info....

Speaking of bleeding, i installed Russell "speed bleeders" while my caliper
was being replaced. At first i thought it was a gimmick, but now that iv'e
used them, i'll never use anything else. These things are amazing. Open the
bleeder, pump it slowly about 6 times, and close it, boom.......you're
finished (after repeating on all corners, of course). The part number is in
my car, i'll pass it on when i have time....

Wayne
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 07:37:01 -0700
From: "Tracy, Austin" <austin.tracy@rez.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Speed bleeders

Wayne, I have heard good things about these speed bleeders, and have been
wanting to get a set for my car.  Where did you get them, how much did they
cost, and what size did you get?

Thanks

Austin T

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wayne
>
> Speaking of bleeding, i installed Russell "speed bleeders"
> while my caliper was being replaced.
> Wayne
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 08:59:27 -0600
From: Wayne <wala@hypertech-inc.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Speed bleeders

I was a Beta tester, you might say, so they were free. I think they cost
$10ea., or $10 for 2. They come in packages of 2. The size for 3/S cars is
10mm x 1.0.........although they wont work on the rear calipers of cars
produced between 3/92 and 5/93. For some reason, mitsu used 7mm bleeders on
these rear calipers. They will work on the clutch slave also, finally an
easy way to bleed the clutch!! I think the part number is 3956, but like i
said, i'll pass that on when i make it back over there....I'm sure they can
be purchased from anybody that sells Russell stuff. (summit, jegs, etc.)

Wayne

At 07:37 AM 3/4/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Wayne, I have heard good things about these speed bleeders, and have been
>wanting to get a set for my car.  Where did you get them, how much did they
>cost, and what size did you get?
>
>Thanks
>Austin T


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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 10:59:02 -0500
From: William Lynn Larsen <wlarsen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brake caliper saga continues...

Brad,

You are absolutely right and I think electrical stuff is the worst. If
you get a starter or an alternator from a discount place that has a
lifetime (or long) warranty, I swear to God, they take the cores, dip
'em clean, hit them with a shot of paint and box 'em up.  They let the
customer sort them out.  I started buying only top quality electrical
parts when I bought the 5th starter for my mustang and the wire to one
of the brushes was completely broken in two. I was replacing twice a
year it seemed, but I though it was ok because of the warranty. BUT,
your effort, time and inconvienence is worth something too.

Brad writes:

"You know, this problem isn't just an "Auto Zone" problem.  It is a cost
cutting problem.
When you cut costs to have a product "cheap" you give up quality from
some
place.  In this instance, it is customer service and boxing problems.
Consider yourself lucky you have a caliper that doesn't leak.

I have worked in the Automotive aftermarket for 12 years now.  This is
normal in discount parts places.  When penny pinching, expect these
problems."

Regards,
Lynn
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:52:42 -0500
From: "Fein, Edward" <fein@strategy.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Roll Cages?

I know Turbo Harry has a custom one in his car...

Autopower actually makes bolt-in cages for our cars. Try OGRacing
(http://www.ogracing.com) - I got a quote of just over $400 from them for
one.

   -Ed

- -----Original Message-----
From: Michael Booker [mailto:mrbook@gate.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 10:51 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Roll Cages?


I was reading the latest turbo magazine, and the article with Adam
Saruw.....whatever was interesting, and he said that his roll cage
stiffened the car up enough that once the suspension was adjusted, his
60' times went from 1.65 to 1.30. Does anyone have a roll cage, and or
has anyone thought of having one put in?

Matt
#311
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 11:11:13 -0700
From: Ricardo Cousar <rcousar@uswest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Racers

I want to get a race team going to get some publicity. Currently I  am
trying
to get a car entered into the Pike Peak Hill climb. I don't think you need a
license for it but im not sure if you don't know about this race ill give
you a
little history. The hill climb is a race to the top of pike peak. The
starting
line begins at I believe 9000 feet. The finish line ends at 12000 feet all on
dirt
through mountain roads. It is an international event and racers come from
all
over the world to compete. Its a true test to car and driver. Right now I
have
one person interested in taking this challenge. His car has been fully moded
with the suspension upgrade and all necessary  performance mod. Anyone who
competes in this events will be directly competing against the big names
like
Toyota, Ford  and Chev to name a few notice manufactures. They race all
their
experimental stuff and hire professional drivers to drive for them. But
don't
worry they have different classes of racing so you would be put in the
appropriate category. Last year I talked to the race official about entering
in
a vehicle and they were more than willing to help. Let me know if your
interested in something like this.

Shawn Dewey wrote:

> At 11:47 AM 3/3/99 -0700, you wrote:
> > Does anyone on the list have a racing license? If so are you interested
> >in using it?
>
> I have an SCCA national competition license and my racing season is just
> about to get into full swing again here on the east coast.
>
> The team is also in the process of putting a team together to run the
> inaugural 12 hours of Summit Point Endurance Race. Details can be found on
> the Washington DC, Region of SCCA's web page at www.wdcr-scca.org
>
> The event will be held on the weekend of June 4,5,6 later this year.
>
> As always I encourage anyone interested to come out to see some REAL racing
> where the cars make left and right hand turns (where 1320' is only getting
> you started for a run at the front straight at Summit Point). Anyone that
> comes down will be put to work right away as crew members if you are
> interested.  =:o
>
> BTW, my 3KGT does 140 mph easily just riding around while showing students
> "the line".
>
> -shawn dewey
>
> '91 Stealth R/T nonturbo 15.426 @ 90.68 (in the happy hands of a new owner!)
> '93 3000GT VR4 12.98 @ 107 mph
> '91 Talon TSI AWD 13.6 @ 98.8 (the commuter car, yeah right! :)
> '95 Talon ESi SCCA Race Car (SSC class)
> http://home.dmv.com/~sdewey
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 11:21:22 -0700
From: Ricardo Cousar <rcousar@uswest.com>
Subject: Team3S: Sorry Misdirected Post

Sorry for my previous post?  It was supposed to be a direct post not a
group one.

- --

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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 13:11:13 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Racers

At 11:11 AM 3/4/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Currently I  am
>trying to get a car entered into the Pike Peak Hill climb.

Hoo, boy...that will be a rush.
I suspect the twin turbo VR4 might be competitive in a stock class, because
the turbos will make up for the loss of power at the altitude, and the AWD
will help in the gravel.

If they stick the 3800 lb VR4 into the same class with much lighter,
rally-prepared AWD turbo cars such as the Subaru (Impreza?) you haven't got
a prayer.

 I don't think you need a
>license for it

I think you do, but any pro license will do (I think), such as Colorado
Hillclimb Assoc, SCCA Pro Rally, etc.

 The finish line ends at 12000 feet all on
>dirt >through mountain roads.

Yep. With a VR4, you should be able to hit 120+ on some of the straights.
Problem is stopping from that speed. The ABS should help, but be sure to
upgrade the brakes.


>one person interested in taking this challenge. His car has been fully moded
>with the suspension upgrade and all necessary  performance mod.

The suspension upgrade may be in the wrong direction: i.e., if he lowered
the car, this will not do. You need ground clearance and suspension travel
for Pikes Peak.  You'll also need a bash plate under the engine and trans
to protect from rocks. A sheet of 1/4 in. T6 aluminum will probably do,
since you won't be encountering tree stumps.


 >But don't worry they have different classes of racing so you would be put
in the
>appropriate category.

Like I said,  the VR4 in a stock class might clean up.  If you go modded,
you may
be in trouble because of all the lightweight rallye cars..

Good luck. Keep us posted!

Rich/old poop/94 VR4

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:23:23 -0600
From: "Omar Malik" <ojm@iname.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Speed bleeders

you might check any pep boys. should find them near the exhaust section
along with other engine dressup stuff, if the store is laid anything like
what it is in philly. kind of expensive though... if i recall, it was $14
for 2

omar

> Wayne, I have heard good things about these speed bleeders, and have been
> wanting to get a set for my car.  Where did you get them, how
> much did they
> cost, and what size did you get?
>
> Thanks
>
> Austin T


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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:30:29 -0800
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: Team3S: Power Steering Fluid?

Hey Guys,

Anyone have recommendations for power steering fluid?  Manual says
A/T Dexron II fluid, but I don't think they make that anymore...can I use
any non-Honda fluid?  Synthetic/Blend?  Brand?

- --Erik

- ------                                             ----------
Erik Gross                                         DuPont, WA
'95 Pearl White 3000GT 49k mi - resonatorless + bald tire mod
- ------                                             ----------
"Scripture does not teach science, period. Genesis tells us
what happened in the archaic, pre-scientific idiom of the
ancient Hebrews. It does not tell us how it happened. We can
learn what we can about that "how" from science, always
keeping in mind that there can be no real conflict between
two very different orders of knowledge: science and theology."

         --George Sim Johnston   "The Pope and Evolution"
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:52:20 -0500
From: "Fein, Edward" <fein@strategy.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Roll Cages?

Woops, I mis-wrote...

That's just over $400 for a road-race _bar_, not a full cage. Full cages
will run you more, obviously.

   -Ed

- -----Original Message-----
From: Fein, Edward

I know Turbo Harry has a custom one in his car...

Autopower actually makes bolt-in cages for our cars. Try OGRacing
(http://www.ogracing.com) - I got a quote of just over $400 from them for
one.

   -Ed
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 15:56:43 -0600
From: Wayne <wala@hypertech-inc.com>
Subject: Team3S: And the magic number is........

#3956 (Russell speed bleeders) Approx. $12 per pair.....
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:59:23 -0500
From: "Fein, Edward" <fein@strategy.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Power Steering Fluid?

Redline Synthetic Power Steering Fluid.

Redline actually makes a specific full-synthetic power steering fluid, which
is compatible with our cars. I've been using it since October - it actually
tightens up steering feel a hair over whatever stuff had been in there for
the past 60,000 miles. The only down side is my steering pump complains when
I turn to full lock in reverse while the car is completely cold.

Got mine from OGRacing, http://www.ogracing.com

    -Ed


- -----Original Message-----
From: Gross, Erik


Hey Guys,

Anyone have recommendations for power steering fluid?  Manual says
A/T Dexron II fluid, but I don't think they make that anymore...can I use
any non-Honda fluid?  Synthetic/Blend?  Brand?

- --Erik
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 21:03:57 -0500
From: Jason and Cristy Barnhart <phnxgld@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?

  I think the necessity for a security code is incase the power is ever cut going to the
radio, such as when resetting the ecu.  If it has the factory radio, a double din
tape/cd changer controller/eq, then you'll need the security code to make the radio work
again after power is cut.  If they don't have it, you can call a dealer with serial
number (top of unit I think), and they can get it for you.  Although if you call the
wrong dealer they might want to give you #@$& and tell you to come in with the radio and
title, blah blah blah.  I'd like to see someone steal the unit and install it in another
car....................
  About the synchros, speed shift the car into the lower gears.  I bought a 94, and
because I was hesitant to get on it with the owner riding along I never speed shifted
until I owned it.  I then noticed the grinding into second gear.  I ended up getting a
new trans from the power train warranty, but if the warranty isn't in effect, tell him
you won't buy the car unless you can drive it fast.
  The 94 is often the most interesting and sought-after year.  In 94 they were bumped up
20 hp, receive a 6spd and projection lights.  After 94 features started disappearing to
cut cost and possibly save maintainence.  Sport/tour exhaust was eventually done away
with, along with Electronically Controlled Suspension and the active spoilers.

Good luck,
Jason

Tracy, Austin wrote:

> Also, I was wondering if there is anything that I should be careful about
> when buying this car. Are the Turbos a weak link?  Are there any accessories
> that should be with the car (sunroof shade, spare tool kit?)

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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 21:17:58 -0800
From: Joe Gonsowski <twinturbo@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Roll Cages?

I too am in the market for a roll bar.  A four point cage to be exact for my '92 TT to
meet the
requirements for the 130mph class in the Silver State Classic (Nevada - September).  I
want
a cage with two rear kickers and a horizontal cross bar to attach a five point safety
harness.

Fein, Edward wrote:

> Autopower actually makes bolt-in cages for our cars. Try OGRacing
> (http://www.ogracing.com) - I got a quote of just over $400 from them for
> one.

> That's just over $400 for a road-race _bar_, not a full cage. Full cages will run you
> more, obviously.

I was not able to locate a listing for 3/S applications anywhere.  Does OGRacing make
custom
cages upon request?  I know some 3/S cars have competed in the past at high speeds
including
John Hennessey (most known for his Viper Venom packages) who topped out at 187 mph.
Many
of you may recall that John used to cater to 3/S cars several moons ago.

I just want a tasteful cage that doesn't tear up my interior.  Any insight would be
appreciated.

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 19:21:16 -0700
From: "james berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: street race shift point

I was trying to determine the best 1st to 2nd shift point when street racing
my 93 TT.
I calculated the final drive to be 12.195 and the speed to be 45 MPH @ 7000
RPM.
If I shift at redline that puts me in 2nd at about 4000 RPM --- a fine spot
for  rapid
acceleration. However --- according to the dyno runs done by our European
affiliates
torque starts to drop at about 5000 RPM and HP flattens at 5500 or so.
Shifting at
these points puts me in 2nd at a little under 3000 RPM --- not a good
acceleration
range.
So the question is --- what shift point is the best compromise between
torque, HP and
turbo spoolup??


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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 22:28:34 EST
From: Klusmanp@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Oil on my transfer case

Changing oil the other day I discovered that oil has been collecting along the
bottom of the transfer case. My partner in crime, Dave Trent, commented that
it looked like it was coming from somewhere near the top rear of the engine
bay - the transfer case being the lowest point for the oil to flow before it
drips away. Next day I had the transaxle and transfer case fluid checked at a
tranny shop - both full. Makes sense since the transaxle and transfer case
were replaced under warranty about 1 1/2 years ago.

The oil looks like it could be motor oil from the engine - as far as my
eyeball could tell. I did have to add about half a quart of oil to the engine
recently. Dave tried to get a good look at the oil fittings on the rear turbo,
but couldn't quite tell. The tech at the tranny shop suggested checking the
rear valve cover gasket.

The clutch has felt a bit funny lately. I thought it might be fluid loss from
the clutch master cylinder. I checked the clutch fluid reservoir - full. By
the way the Mitsu owner's manual shows the clutch fluid reservoir behind or
below the Y-pipe at the final elbow as it connects to the plenum. It is not
there. It is just behind the front left shock strut tower and just to the left
of the brake master cyl. (visualise as if you were sitting in the car). I must
have poked around under the Y-pipe for 15 minutes trying to locate an
invisible clutch reservoir.

Anybody have any suggestions about what other part of the engine I need to
check?

Just for my own curiosity - where is the clutch master cylinder? Is it hiding
somewhere under the big cover on the brake master cyl?

By the way - anybody living in or near Indianapolis who needs tranny work - I
HIGHLY recommend Lafayette square AAMCO transmission (just north of 38th and
east of 465). My car's former owner got the runaround from THREE Mitsu dealers
in the area before this AAMCO shop diagnosed the getrag synchros going bad. He
had a Mitsu dealer ship a new transaxle and transfer case to AAMCO and had
them do the tranny swap. Mitsu then inspected the work to continue the
waranty.

Doug Bailey, the AAMCO owner, is a super nice guy. I called him up and he
remembered the car and previous owner. He was real busy but agreed to take a
look at the car. The tech who installed the new tranny checked everything out.
He was very thorough - even tried adding fluid to the transfer case just to be
sure it was full. When he was done he talked to me for awhile about his
experience repairing the car and gave me some suggestions for tracking down
the oil leak.

They didn't charge me a penny so I told him I'd spread the word about their
good service. Sorry this doesn't apply to everybody on the list, but I needed
to get the word out. Their phone number is (317) 290-6000.

Thanks.

Paul Klusman
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 23:39:07 -0800
From: Roger Gerl <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: street race shift point

> However --- according to the dyno runs done by our European affiliates
> torque starts to drop at about 5000 RPM and HP flattens at 5500 or so.

Please note, that at least mine is a 5 speed one compared to the 6-speed
Stealths. I'm not sure about Mikael's 3000GT :)

// Roger
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:31:45 +0100
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?=" <vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: Team3S: Calculating injector size

Hi,

 What formula shall be use to calculate injector size???

The reason I ask is that my supplier of injectors recomend me to use their 480cc/min (at 3 bar) and say that they will be perfect on a 550 hp engine.

I have used (estimated HP*0.55)/(# of injectors*duty cycle %)
(don't know what the "0.55" is but it shall be used on a turbo engine)
this makes (550*0.55)/(6*0.8)=63 lbs/h and that is ~625cc/min

I also talked to another company and they say that you shall calculate with 500cc/100hp and that is 458 cc for 550hp.

When I use the injector size calculation program on Greddy's site  http://www.greddy.com/injectionsizer.html the result for 550 hp and 6 injectors are 620 cc/min.

I know most of the fast guys are using 550 or 560 and some are using 720 injectors. Depending on how you calculate the 720 injectors are good for 640 to almost 900 hp.

What is the "right" way to calculate this?

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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 07:12:19 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: street race shift point

Even though the torque curve might be flattening out or even dropping, you
want to find the point where, when you enter the next gear, the new torque
equals the amount of torque in the previous gear at the instant you shifted.

240  255  270  285  310  300  260
4000 4500 5000 5500 6000 6500 7000
        |<------------------->|

The numbers are made up but illustrate the point, I hope.

- -Bob

> So the question is --- what shift point is the best compromise between
> torque, HP and turbo spoolup??

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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 07:48:07 -0500
From: "Bob Rand" <rtr@vnet.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Oil on my transfer case

Sounds like it might be your rear main seal.  This can also cause oil to
contaminate your clutch.   The shop should have recommended replacing this
7.00 part when the tranny was out. If not, they did you an injustice as the
tranny must be pulled again to replace it.

Bob
93 Stealth TT
- -----Original Message-----
From: Klusmanp@aol.com <Klusmanp@aol.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 10:35 PM
Subject: Team3S: Oil on my transfer case


>Changing oil the other day I discovered that oil has been collecting along
the
>bottom of the transfer case. My partner in crime, Dave Trent, commented
that
>it looked like it was coming from somewhere near the top rear of the engine
>bay - the transfer case being the lowest point for the oil to flow before
it
>drips away. Next day I had the transaxle and transfer case fluid checked at
a
>tranny shop - both full. Makes sense since the transaxle and transfer case
>were replaced under warranty about 1 1/2 years ago.
>
>The oil looks like it could be motor oil from the engine - as far as my
>eyeball could tell. I did have to add about half a quart of oil to the
engine
>recently. Dave tried to get a good look at the oil fittings on the rear
turbo,
>but couldn't quite tell. The tech at the tranny shop suggested checking the
>rear valve cover gasket.
>
>The clutch has felt a bit funny lately. I thought it might be fluid loss
from
>the clutch master cylinder. I checked the clutch fluid reservoir - full. By
>the way the Mitsu owner's manual shows the clutch fluid reservoir behind or
>below the Y-pipe at the final elbow as it connects to the plenum. It is not
>there. It is just behind the front left shock strut tower and just to the
left
>of the brake master cyl. (visualise as if you were sitting in the car). I
must
>have poked around under the Y-pipe for 15 minutes trying to locate an
>invisible clutch reservoir.
>
>Anybody have any suggestions about what other part of the engine I need to

>check?
>
>Just for my own curiosity - where is the clutch master cylinder? Is it
hiding
>somewhere under the big cover on the brake master cyl?
>
>By the way - anybody living in or near Indianapolis who needs tranny work -
I
>HIGHLY recommend Lafayette square AAMCO transmission (just north of 38th
and
>east of 465). My car's former owner got the runaround from THREE Mitsu
dealers
>in the area before this AAMCO shop diagnosed the getrag synchros going bad.
He
>had a Mitsu dealer ship a new transaxle and transfer case to AAMCO and had
>them do the tranny swap. Mitsu then inspected the work to continue the
>waranty.
>
>Doug Bailey, the AAMCO owner, is a super nice guy. I called him up and he
>remembered the car and previous owner. He was real busy but agreed to take
a
>look at the car. The tech who installed the new tranny checked everything
out.
>He was very thorough - even tried adding fluid to the transfer case just to
be
>sure it was full. When he was done he talked to me for awhile about his
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 07:02:48 -0600
From: "Brent & Tara Maksymiw" <brent.tara@sk.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Oil on my transfer case

During my last oil change before I put my car in storage, I found a bit of
oil on the oil pan/transfer case.  I found it to be leaking from the gasket
between the oil pipe from the turbo and the oil pan.  My factory warranty
will cover it.  Should be an easy fix this spring.

Brent Maksymiw

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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 07:23:08 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Calculating injector size

The number .55 is brake-horsepower specific fuel consumption.  This is the
amount of fuel per horsepower consumed by an engine at maximum HP presuming
"correct" mixture, expressed in lbs/hr.  Usually for turbo engines it is
.55-.60.  For NA engibes it is around 0.50.

480s are TOO SMALL for a 550 HP target.  They'd be maxed out for sure at
peak HP.  You want to make sure there is about 20% headroom for the
injectors since they can be more prone to failure if operated for exteneded
periods of time beyond the 80% IDC point.  Your 625 cc/min number is much
more likely closer to the better choice IMO.

The right way to calculate this involves literally an entire page worth of
math and even then it will only be an estimate without knowing a few things
about the car that really can only be properly measured on a dyno.  The
formula (estimated HP*0.55)/(# of injectors*duty cycle %) is a very good one
and generally accepted to be SAFELY accurate, which is the real point.

Many people have successfully ran 550 cc injectors to some impressive 1320'
times but we don't know the exact fuelpressure or flow running through those
injecotrs.  625cc/min or better will be safe without overkill.


Barry

> -----Original Message-----
>
> Hi,
>
>  What formula shall be use to calculate injector size???
>
> The reason I ask is that my supplier of injectors recomend me to
> use their 480cc/min (at 3 bar) and say that they will be perfect
> on a 550 hp engine.
>
> I have used (estimated HP*0.55)/(# of injectors*duty cycle %)
> (don't know what the "0.55" is but it shall be used on a turbo engine)
> this makes (550*0.55)/(6*0.8)=63 lbs/h and that is ~625cc/min
>
> I also talked to another company and they say that you shall
> calculate with 500cc/100hp and that is 458 cc for 550hp.
>
> When I use the injector size calculation program on Greddy's site
http://www.greddy.com/injectionsizer.html the result for 550 hp
> and 6 injectors are 620 cc/min.
>
> I know most of the fast guys are using 550 or 560 and some are
> using 720 injectors. Depending on how you calculate the 720
> injectors are good for 640 to almost 900 hp.
>
> What is the "right" way to calculate this?
>
> /Mikael Akesson http://www.bahnhof.se/~vr4

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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:22:19 -0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Calculating injector size

Hrmm, I would look into the 620CC injectors.

I know I was at 100% injector duty cycle @ 16psi.  With 550's.

> Brad
Member of ESSC since 1999>
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- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com] On Behalf Of Mikael Åkesson
Sent: Friday, March 05, 1999 5:32 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Calculating injector size

Hi,

 What formula shall be use to calculate injector size???

The reason I ask is that my supplier of injectors recomend me to use their
480cc/min (at 3 bar) and say that they will be perfect on a 550 hp engine.

I have used (estimated HP*0.55)/(# of injectors*duty cycle %)
(don't know what the "0.55" is but it shall be used on a turbo engine)
this makes (550*0.55)/(6*0.8)=63 lbs/h and that is ~625cc/min

I also talked to another company and they say that you shall calculate with
500cc/100hp and that is 458 cc for 550hp.

When I use the injector size calculation program on Greddy's site
http://www.greddy.com/injectionsizer.html the result for 550 hp and 6
injectors are 620 cc/min.

I know most of the fast guys are using 550 or 560 and some are using 720
injectors. Depending on how you calculate the 720 injectors are good for 640
to almost 900 hp.

What is the "right" way to calculate this?

/Mikael Akesson http://www.bahnhof.se/~vr4




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