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Date:
Tue, 2 Mar 1999 23:06:22 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <
beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
EGT/CHT
The calibration depends upon the application since there is a
certain degree
(no pun intended of course) of error which isn't always
linear.
When ordering from Westach they offer a few different styles, for
instance.
Best to ask just in
case.
Regards,
Barry
> -----Original
Message-----
>
> >Be sure to get a fast acting J-type probe and
that it is
> calibrated for use
> >on the ground. Aircraft
and especially snowmobile calibrations may be
> >slightly
different. Sometimes they are calibrated at 0 C
> whereas
"normal"
> >ones are typically calibrated at 70 F.
>
> It's
been quite a while since I messed with thermocouples but I
> thought
the
> thermocouple
> industry used the triple point of water [ 0
degrees C ] as the reference
> voltage for compensated
> meters. It
looks like I might have to do some homework. :-(
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Date:
Wed, 3 Mar 1999 06:18:27 -0700
From: "Tracy, Austin" <
austin.tracy@rez.com>
Subject:
Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?
Hello all,
I am going to look at
a 94 VR-4 Today, and was wondering first of all if the
engine is an
interference type engine, or non-interference engine. Meaning,
if the
timing belt breaks, will the pistons make contact with the valves, or
any
other damage occur?
Also, I was wondering if there is anything that I
should be careful about
when buying this car. Are the Turbos a weak
link? Are there any accessories
that should be with the car (sunroof
shade, spare tool kit?)
Also, the car is a 94 VR-4. What was
the factory powertrain warranty
offered on these?
Thank you very
much.
Austin T
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Date:
Wed, 3 Mar 1999 08:45:32 EST
From:
Lomcevak@aol.comSubject: Re: Team3S: VR-4
interference engine?
Hello Austin,
The engines
in the 3000s are interference engines, although I believe in
different ways.
The turbo 3000 VR4 engines are a bit different from the non-
turbo. The Vr4
is much lower compression (8:1) as compared to the non turbo
(10:1). I do not
know if the VR4 pistons and valves hit. However, the intake
and exhaust
valves do hit each other when the timing belt breaks - which can
be very
destructive. The non-turbo engines definitely experience piston/valve
and
valve/valve contact. Either way it is bad.
The good news is that
timing belt failures are pretty rare - especially if
the belt is changed
every 60,000 miles and a new tensioner properly installed
with
it.
I suspect many VR4 / TT owners on the list can answer
whether the turbo
engines experience piston / valve
contact.
SteveC.
'91 3000GT
SL
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Date:
Wed, 3 Mar 1999 06:47:08 -0700
From: "Tracy, Austin" <
austin.tracy@rez.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?
excellent,
Thank you very much
for your quick response
Austin T
> -----Original
Message-----
> From:
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mailto:Lomcevak@aol.com]
> Sent:
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Subject: Re: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?
>
>
>
> Hello Austin,
>
> The
engines in the 3000s are interference engines,
> although I believe
in
> different ways. The turbo 3000 VR4 engines are a bit
>
different from the non-
> turbo. The Vr4 is much lower compression (8:1)
as compared to
> the non turbo
> (10:1). I do not know if the VR4
pistons and valves hit.
> However, the intake
> and exhaust valves
do hit each other when the timing belt
> breaks - which can
> be
very destructive. The non-turbo engines definitely
> experience
piston/valve
> and valve/valve contact. Either way it is
bad.
> The good news is that timing belt failures are
pretty rare
> - especially if
> the belt is changed every 60,000
miles and a new tensioner
> properly installed
> with
it.
> I suspect many VR4 / TT owners on the list can
answer
> whether the turbo
> engines experience piston / valve
contact.
>
>
SteveC.
> '91 3000GT
SL
>
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Date:
Wed, 3 Mar 1999 06:48:59 -0700
From: "Tracy, Austin" <
austin.tracy@rez.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?
oops, sorry for sending this to the
list.. typical new commer..
Austin T
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Tracy, Austin [
mailto:austin.tracy@rez.com]
>
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 6:47 AM
> To:
'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'>
Subject: RE: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?
>
>
>
excellent,
>
> Thank you very much for your quick response
>
> Austin T
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
From:
Lomcevak@aol.com [
mailto:Lomcevak@aol.com]
> > Sent:
Wednesday, March 03, 1999 6:46 AM
> > To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
> Subject: Re: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello Austin,
> >
>
> The engines in the 3000s are interference engines,
> > although I believe in
> > different ways. The turbo 3000
VR4 engines are a bit
> > different from the non-
> > turbo.
The Vr4 is much lower compression (8:1) as compared to
> > the non
turbo
> > (10:1). I do not know if the VR4 pistons and valves hit.
> > However, the intake
> > and exhaust valves do hit each
other when the timing belt
> > breaks - which can
> > be very
destructive. The non-turbo engines definitely
> > experience
piston/valve
> > and valve/valve contact. Either way it is bad.
>
> The good news is that timing belt failures are pretty
rare
> > - especially if
> > the belt is changed every 60,000
miles and a new tensioner
> > properly installed
> > with
it.
> > I suspect many VR4 / TT owners on the list
can answer
> > whether the turbo
> > engines experience
piston / valve contact.
> >
> >
SteveC.
> > '91 3000GT SL
>
>
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Date:
Wed, 3 Mar 1999 08:05:18 -0600
From: "Bill Davis" <
b-davis@primary.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?
Yes it is an interference engine, thus
60K maint. is an absolute must.
As far as I know the turbos are not a big
problem, maybe others
like the big engine mod guys could better answer that
Q.
Not sure about the 94 Accessories. My 95 has a sunroof, with
an
inside panel, that basically fills the hole in the roof like the rest of
the
headliner. I guess that's a sunroof shade.
Tools are just the
normal jack, spare, handle. Make sure the wheel
lock is there. Get the Stereo
code, if so equipped.
5 Yr. 60K drivetrain warranty, so yer prolly outa
luck there.
Drive the car, and shift into lower gears at high speed,
make
sure the syncros are in good shape. I dont actually
mean to downshift, but
make sure you can put the tranny into
lower gears.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tracy, Austin <
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To:
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Date:
Wednesday, March 03, 1999 7:20 AM
Subject: Team3S: VR-4 interference
engine?
>
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Date:
Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:12:36 -0700
From: "Tracy, Austin" <
austin.tracy@rez.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?
OK, so where is the wheel lock key
supposed to be located? are these VR-4
standard issue?
Stereo
code: what is a way to tell if it is input? how do you clear it,
or
make sure it is cleared?
Warranty: I am getting an
aftermarket warranty... this list made me take a
good look at repair costs
and the "delicate" getrags. for $1100 I can get a
36000 mile, 3 yr
bumper to bumper warranty. with a transmission probably
costing
$1500-$2000, I think this is a good investment.
Thank you
all
Austin Tracy
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
Bill Davis [
mailto:b-davis@primary.net]
> Sent:
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> To:
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Subject: Re: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?
>
>
> Tools
are just the normal jack, spare, handle. Make sure the wheel
> lock is
there. Get the Stereo code, if so equipped.
>
> 5 Yr. 60K
drivetrain warranty, so yer prolly outa luck there.
> Drive the car, and
shift into lower gears at high speed,
> make sure the syncros are in good
shape. I dont actually
> mean to downshift, but make sure you can put the
tranny into
> lower gears.
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Date:
Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:36:34 -0500
From: "Michael D. Romano" <
mdr-nhl@worldnet.att.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?
Can't speak for the VR-4, but my
Stealth has the luglock key connected to
the jack via a small braided wire.
Easily removed (and lost) for tire
changes.
- -Mike
'93 Stealth
ES
mdr-nhl@worldnet.att.net
<
mailto:mdr-nhl@worldnet.att.net>
"That
makes me angry. When Dr. Evil gets angry, Mr. Bigglesworth gets
upset, and
when Mr. Bigglesworth gets upset, PEOPLE DIE!!!!" --
Dr.
Evil
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>>[
mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On
Behalf Of Tracy, Austin
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 9:13
AM
>>To:
'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'>>Subject:
RE: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?
>>
>>
>>OK, so
where is the wheel lock key supposed to be located? are these
VR-4
>>standard issue?
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Date:
Wed, 3 Mar 1999 08:38:57 -0600
From: "Bill Davis" <
b-davis@primary.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?
Should be with the jack, it's a socket
adapter for the
locking lug nut. I am not sure if the 94 has the
same
stereo as 95, if it does, and the stereo is working,
then the code
has been input to the unit.
I can't remember, but somewhere there is a
sticker
that says anti-theft sound system, or something like
that.
Bill Davis 95 VR-4
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To:
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Date:
Wednesday, March 03, 1999 8:15 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: VR-4 interference
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Date:
Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:48:20 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <
beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
VR-4 interference engine?
In addition to the other fine advice, expect to
perform a wheel alignment.
Rear hatch rattles are not uncommon.
Sometimes it is just the jack and
tools movig around but sometimes it is the
sealing around the hatch.
Sometimes the removable sunroof rattles too.
There should be a shade for
the sunroof.
There should be a removable
tray in the center console. Check to make sure
the active aero
works. You can test it by turning on the ignition (no need
to start the
car) and depressing the active aero switch on the center
console. Front
dam should come down without any real noie and the wing
should flip up.
They should also retract without a fuss.
Three engine mounts on my 94
needed to be replaced when I bought it. The
front left one (driver's
side mount) is notorious for going and is easy to
check.
The stereo
code is preset and usually a dealer can decode it from the serial
number on
the back of the head unit.
Have fun.
Barry
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Date:
Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:55:57 -0500
From: "Michael D. Romano" <
mdr-nhl@worldnet.att.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?
>>Three engine mounts on my
94 needed to be replaced when I bought it. The
>>front left one
(driver's side mount) is notorious for going and is easy
to
>>check.
That was good advice, Barry!
Can you explain how
the mount is easy to check for failure? Any idea if its
also common on NT's
with obviously less torque?
- -Mike
'93 Stealth ES
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mailto:mdr-nhl@worldnet.att.net>
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makes me angry. When Dr. Evil gets angry, Mr. Bigglesworth gets
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Date:
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From: "Michael D. Romano" <
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Subject:
RE: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?
>>Three engine mounts on my
94 needed to be replaced when I bought it. The
>>front left one
(driver's side mount) is notorious for going and is easy
to
>>check.
That was good advice, Barry!
Can you explain how
the mount is easy to check for failure? Any idea if its
also common on NT's
with obviously less torque?
- -Mike
'93 Stealth ES
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Date:
Wed, 3 Mar 1999 08:00:26 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <
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Subject: RE: Team3S:
VR-4 interference engine?
I am not sure if the NTs suffer from this or
not.
Just locate the engine mount on the drivers side of the engine not
far from
the cruise control box. It is aluminium ad bolts to a metal
(maybe iron)
piece between the engine and the chassis. A flashlight may
help. Look for
cracks in the rubber and signs of stress on the iron
piece.
Usually it is just the rubber that goes away. That mount is
supposedly
often stocked by dealers according to two different dealerships I
asked so
they must be expecting
it.
Regards,
Barry
> -----Original
Message-----
>
> >>Three engine mounts on my 94 needed to be
replaced when I
> bought it. The
> >>front left one
(driver's side mount) is notorious for going and
> is easy to
>
>>check.
>
> That was good advice, Barry!
> Can you
explain how the mount is easy to check for failure? Any
> idea if
its
> also common on NT's with obviously less torque?
>
>
-Mike
> '93 Stealth ES
>
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Date:
Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:07:32 -0500
From: "Fein, Edward" <
fein@strategy.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Harmonic Balancer
According to Unorthodox Racing, our cars
neither have nor need a harmonic
balancer...
But many people on this
list disagree. The bottom line is that the
"balancer" is better known as the
crank pulley, so to change it, you've got
to do all the labor for a timing
belt change, which is enough to drive the
price up around $400 from a
dealer.
However, I'd certainly get a second opinion... how can they tell
that you
need a new one? Seems like an impossible thing to judge. And why not
just
call it a crank pulley, like everyone else does, unless they're trying
to
confuse you?
-Ed
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Jeff Crabtree [
mailto:wjcrabtree@sprintmail.com]
Sent:
Sunday, February 28, 1999 10:03 PM
To:
Stealth@starnet.net;
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.comSubject:
Team3S: Harmonic Balancer
How much should the parts and or labor cost
to have the Harmonic
balancer replaced. Lou Fusz Mitsubishi is telling
me I need a new one.
Cost: around $400.
Due to my recent
dealings with them, I don't trust them. Help me out
guys.
-
--
- -Jeff Crabtree
'91 Stealth R/T
Turbo(#499)
'93
Wrangler 4.0L
Sport
St. Louis, MO
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Date:
Wed, 03 Mar 1999 09:31:36 -0600
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?
At 06:18 AM 3/3/99 -0700, you
wrote:
>
>Hello all,
>
>I am going to look at a 94 VR-4
Today... I was wondering if there is
anything that I should be careful
about
Be sure to purchase a 3/36 warranty with it. That's an extra
$1700
Check for a grind on the 1-2 or 2-1 shift. If so, the synchros are bad.
A
new Getrag 6-speed will set you back about $3,000.
Make sure it has had
its 60,000 mile service. This includes a new timing
chain. Ask to see
documentation and/or receipts. A clutch is due now
too...see if that has been
replaced.
Check the chrome on the wheels to see if it's bubbling. Wheels are
$650
each to replace.
Talk to the previous owner.
Rich/old poop/94
VR4
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Date:
Wed, 03 Mar 1999 08:03:53 -0800
From: Roger Gerl <
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Subject: Re:
Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?
The engine mounts (called silent blocks
here) on my 93'3000GT (produced March
93) have been inspected at the 60k and
again during the rebuild and they were in
a perfect condition... null
problemo.
Regards,
Roger, Switzerland
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Date:
Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:16:51 EST
From:
Aso8@aol.comSubject: Re: Team3S: VR-4
interference engine?
Having just removed the engine, I can say that my
engine mounts are in good
condition too. 117500 miles & look fine. I am
considering hard mounting the
engine onto plates to avoid engine rock and to
make sure they won't break
later. May be a bit more of vibration tho. Since
it won't be an everyday
driver, I feel it won't be to much.
Arty 91
Vr-4
In a message dated 3/3/99 8:05:16 AM Pacific Standard Time,
robby@swissonline.ch
writes:
<< Subj: Re: Team3S: VR-4 interference
engine?
Date: 3/3/99 8:05:16 AM Pacific Standard Time
From:
robby@swissonline.ch (Roger
Gerl)
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com Reply-to:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com The
engine mounts (called silent blocks here) on my 93'3000GT (produced
March
93) have been inspected at the 60k and again during the rebuild
and they were
in
a perfect condition... null
problemo.
Regards,
Roger, Switzerland
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Date:
Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:29:53 EST
From:
Lomcevak@aol.comSubject: Re: Team3S: VR-4
interference engine/mount
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If anyone's interested, here's a
photo of the front mount. The 3 empty holes
are for the bolts to the engine
(actually another iron peice bolted to the
engine).
SteveC
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Date:
Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:47:07 -0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <
bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine/mount
TO save weight, change that
motor mount to the 94+ aluminum mount. Weight
savings of about 10lbs
will be seen.
The newer mount bolts directly in.
> Brad
Member
of ESSC since 1999>
> Check out my home page:
http://lonestar.texas.net/~bbedell>
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On Behalf Of
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Re: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine/mount
<< File:
MOUNT1.JPG >>
If anyone's interested, here's a photo of the front
mount. The 3 empty
holes
are for the bolts to the engine (actually another
iron peice bolted to the
engine).
SteveC
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Date:
Wed, 03 Mar 1999 11:13:23 -0600
From: Wayne <
wala@hypertech-inc.com>
Subject:
Team3S: VR-4 Wheels wanted
Hello everyone,
I'm in need of a set of
right side 1st gen, 17" wheels. If anybody has any,
will you trade for a set
of left sides?
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Date:
Wed, 03 Mar 1999 11:47:56 -0700
From: Ricardo Cousar <
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Subject: Team3S:
Racers
Does anyone on the list have a racing license? If so are you
interested
in using it?
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Date:
Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:53:50 -0500
From: "Fein, Edward" <
fein@strategy.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: sunroof/sunshade
If you really want one, why not just ask around
- I'm sure there's a lot of
us who have no use for ours.
So, what'll
you give me for mine?
It's been lying in the back of a closet ever since I
bought the car.
:-)
-Ed
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Message-----
From: Stealth
And should you find yourself missing one,
as I am, the friendly Dodge dealer
(or Mitsu dealer) will kindly order one
for you...for $265.
I am not kidding. It's cheaper to have one
made!
Robyn
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Date:
Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:08:29 -0500
From: "Greg Narvas" <
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Subject:
Team3S: I'm Interested in buying a sunroof sun shade..
I'm looking for
one of these sun shades...Thing is I have an aftermarket pop up sunroof. Is that
sun shade only ment for the factory sun roof or do u think I can modify it to
fit mine? thanx
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Date:
Wed, 03 Mar 1999 17:19:55 -0600
From: Wayne <
wala@hypertech-inc.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Brake caliper saga continues...
Well, if anybody remembers, i
found 4 piston calipers at Ametuer Zone for a
good price. I finally got
around to changing mine out when i realized they
gave me the wrong side. I
ordered the right (passenger) side, i got the
left. The part number was
correct though, it was the right side part number.
I figure, no big
deal, i'll bring it back and have them order me another
one. Just for added
security, i called the rebuilder (R-B Rebuilders,
Benton Harbor, Mi.) to warn
them. I told them "i wanted to let you know
that i ordered a caliper from
you, through Auto Zone, and it was the wrong
side. I would like to tell you
how to determine which is which, so i get
the correct side this time" She
says, "O.K., thanks. I'll tell the
manager". Then she hung up. So, needless
to say, i wasn't given the chance
to tell them.
So the next day i go
pick up my second caliper......guess
what........another left side. O.K. They
have one strike left, then i
rebuild it myself (which i now know is pretty
easy) So this time i throw
them a curve ball, and order a left side. Today i
got my third
caliper........Bam.......right side!!!
The moral of the
story is this; If you order a VR-4 front caliper from
Ametuer Zone, order the
opposite side that you need, that way you will get
the correct one the first
time. I thought about calling R-B Rebuilders back
to make another attempt,
but i only like to be hung up on, once a week........
On a lighter note,
having my car on a rack for 5 days allowed enough time
to build a main cat
"test pipe", and come up with a decent pattern for
a
downpipe......;')
Wayne
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Date:
Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:26:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Frank Chen <
jeep1978@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Parts 4 sale, rims, turbos, Bozz scoops too
Arty,
are the 17 inchers with tires still for sale and if they are do you
mind if i
call you to see them in person???? My brother "flatted" his
right rear
sumitomo and it seems the tire has been discontiued.
anyhow, We were thinking
of getting your 17 inchers (the set of 4 w/
tires included) as a replacement.
anyhow, let me know soon. he is
currently driving my Jeep while I am driving
my mom's jeep. Kinda
sucks since mom's jeep has a plain old cassette AM/FM
and not CD
player like mine.
: ( thank Arty.
>
(set 4)17" x 8.5 JJ Stock Alum Alloy 5 spoke directionals along
> with
Goodyear Eagles 245/45/ZR17 Set of 4 wheels & tires
$600.00
>
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Date:
Wed, 03 Mar 1999 17:37:24 -0700
From: dave <
monarchd+team3s@colorado.edu>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Brake caliper saga continues...
Wayne said:
Well, if
anybody remembers, i found 4 piston calipers at Ametuer Zone for a
good
price. I finally got around to changing mine out when i realized they
gave me
the wrong side. I ordered the right (passenger) side, i got the
left. The
part number was correct though, it was the right side part
number.
<snip>
I know it's probably not really worth the
trouble, but how about forwarding
your letter to:
http://www.autozone.com/feedback.htmlI
have had similar frustrations in the past and wished I had an easy way
to
communicate them.. Maybe it would help others in the
future..
Dave
91 VR4
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Date:
Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:55:23 -0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <
bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Brake caliper saga continues...
You know, this problem isn't
just an "Auto Zone" problem. It is a cost
cutting problem.
When you
cut costs to have a product "cheap" you give up quality from
some
place. In this instance, it is customer service and boxing
problems.
Consider yourself lucky you have a caliper that doesn't
leak.
I have worked in the Automotive aftermarket for 12 years now.
This is
normal in discount parts places. When penny pinching, expect
these
problems.
If you had this problem with the dealer, I would be
upset, because you pay a
higher price and should get it correct the first
time.
Bottom line, you get what you pay for, customer service costs
money, when a
place sells a part for pennies over cost you don't get the
service or
quality control one would expect from a dealer.
>
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To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.comSubject:
Re: Team3S: Brake caliper saga continues...
Wayne said:
Well, if
anybody remembers, i found 4 piston calipers at Ametuer Zone for a
good
price. I finally got around to changing mine out when i realized they
gave me
the wrong side. I ordered the right (passenger) side, i got the
left. The
part number was correct though, it was the right side part
number.
<snip>
I know it's probably not really worth the
trouble, but how about forwarding
your letter to:
http://www.autozone.com/feedback.htmlI
have had similar frustrations in the past and wished I had an easy way
to
communicate them.. Maybe it would help others in the
future..
Dave
91 VR4
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Date:
Wed, 3 Mar 1999 19:25:48 -0500
From: Brian Danley <
bcdmad@concentric.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Brake caliper saga continues...
Well, if anybody remembers, i
found 4 piston calipers at Ametuer Zone for a
good price.
[Brian
Danley] So have you driven it yet? How are the
calipers?