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Team3S Digest         Wednesday, March 3 1999         Volume 01 : Number 116




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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 23:06:22 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: EGT/CHT

The calibration depends upon the application since there is a certain degree
(no pun intended of course) of error which isn't always linear.

When ordering from Westach they offer a few different styles, for instance.

Best to ask just in case.


Regards,

Barry

> -----Original Message-----
>
> >Be sure to get a fast acting J-type probe and that it is
> calibrated for use
> >on the ground.  Aircraft and especially snowmobile calibrations may be
> >slightly different.  Sometimes they are calibrated at 0 C
> whereas "normal"
> >ones are typically calibrated at 70 F.
>
> It's been quite a while since I messed with thermocouples but I
> thought the
> thermocouple
> industry used the triple point of water [ 0 degrees C ] as the reference
> voltage for compensated
> meters. It looks like I might have to do some homework. :-(

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 06:18:27 -0700
From: "Tracy, Austin" <austin.tracy@rez.com>
Subject: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?

Hello all,

I am going to look at a 94 VR-4 Today, and was wondering first of all if the
engine is an interference type engine, or non-interference engine.  Meaning,
if the timing belt breaks, will the pistons make contact with the valves, or
any other damage occur?

Also, I was wondering if there is anything that I should be careful about
when buying this car. Are the Turbos a weak link?  Are there any accessories
that should be with the car (sunroof shade, spare tool kit?) 

Also, the car is a 94 VR-4.  What was the factory powertrain warranty
offered on these?

Thank you very much.

Austin T
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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 08:45:32 EST
From: Lomcevak@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?

  Hello Austin,

   The engines in the 3000s are interference engines, although I believe in
different ways. The turbo 3000 VR4 engines are a bit different from the non-
turbo. The Vr4 is much lower compression (8:1) as compared to the non turbo
(10:1). I do not know if the VR4 pistons and valves hit. However, the intake
and exhaust valves do hit each other when the timing belt breaks - which can
be very destructive. The non-turbo engines definitely experience piston/valve
and valve/valve contact. Either way it is bad.
   The good news is that timing belt failures are pretty rare - especially if
the belt is changed every 60,000 miles and a new tensioner properly installed
with it.
   I suspect many VR4 / TT owners on the list can answer whether the turbo
engines experience piston / valve contact.

    SteveC.
    '91 3000GT SL
   
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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 06:47:08 -0700
From: "Tracy, Austin" <austin.tracy@rez.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?

excellent,

Thank you very much for your quick response

Austin T

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lomcevak@aol.com [mailto:Lomcevak@aol.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 6:46 AM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Subject: Re: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?
>
>
>
>   Hello Austin,
>
>    The engines in the 3000s are interference engines,
> although I believe in
> different ways. The turbo 3000 VR4 engines are a bit
> different from the non-
> turbo. The Vr4 is much lower compression (8:1) as compared to
> the non turbo
> (10:1). I do not know if the VR4 pistons and valves hit.
> However, the intake
> and exhaust valves do hit each other when the timing belt
> breaks - which can
> be very destructive. The non-turbo engines definitely
> experience piston/valve
> and valve/valve contact. Either way it is bad.
>    The good news is that timing belt failures are pretty rare
> - especially if
> the belt is changed every 60,000 miles and a new tensioner
> properly installed
> with it.
>    I suspect many VR4 / TT owners on the list can answer
> whether the turbo
> engines experience piston / valve contact.
>
>     SteveC.
>     '91 3000GT SL
>    
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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 06:48:59 -0700
From: "Tracy, Austin" <austin.tracy@rez.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?

oops, sorry for sending this to the list.. typical new commer..

Austin T

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tracy, Austin [mailto:austin.tracy@rez.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 6:47 AM
> To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'
> Subject: RE: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?
>
>
> excellent,
>
> Thank you very much for your quick response
>
> Austin T
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lomcevak@aol.com [mailto:Lomcevak@aol.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 6:46 AM
> > To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> > Subject: Re: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?
> >
> >
> >
> >   Hello Austin,
> >
> >    The engines in the 3000s are interference engines,
> > although I believe in
> > different ways. The turbo 3000 VR4 engines are a bit
> > different from the non-
> > turbo. The Vr4 is much lower compression (8:1) as compared to
> > the non turbo
> > (10:1). I do not know if the VR4 pistons and valves hit.
> > However, the intake
> > and exhaust valves do hit each other when the timing belt
> > breaks - which can
> > be very destructive. The non-turbo engines definitely
> > experience piston/valve
> > and valve/valve contact. Either way it is bad.
> >    The good news is that timing belt failures are pretty rare
> > - especially if
> > the belt is changed every 60,000 miles and a new tensioner
> > properly installed
> > with it.
> >    I suspect many VR4 / TT owners on the list can answer
> > whether the turbo
> > engines experience piston / valve contact.
> >
> >     SteveC.
> >     '91 3000GT SL
> >    
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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 08:05:18 -0600
From: "Bill Davis" <b-davis@primary.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?

Yes it is an interference engine, thus 60K maint. is an absolute must.
As far as I know the turbos are not a big problem, maybe others
like the big engine mod guys could better answer that Q.

Not sure about the 94 Accessories. My 95 has a sunroof, with an
inside panel, that basically fills the hole in the roof like the rest of the
headliner. I guess that's a sunroof shade.

Tools are just the normal jack, spare, handle. Make sure the wheel
lock is there. Get the Stereo code, if so equipped.

5 Yr. 60K drivetrain warranty, so yer prolly outa luck there.
Drive the car, and shift into lower gears at high speed,
make sure the syncros are in good shape. I dont actually
mean to downshift, but make sure you can put the tranny into
lower gears.



- -----Original Message-----
From: Tracy, Austin <austin.tracy@rez.com>
To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com' <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 7:20 AM
Subject: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?


>
>Hello all,
>
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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:12:36 -0700
From: "Tracy, Austin" <austin.tracy@rez.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?

OK, so where is the wheel lock key supposed to be located?  are these VR-4
standard issue?

Stereo code:  what is a way to tell if it is input?  how do you clear it, or
make sure it is cleared?

Warranty:  I am getting an aftermarket warranty... this list made me take a
good look at repair costs and the "delicate" getrags.  for $1100 I can get a
36000 mile, 3 yr bumper to bumper warranty.  with a transmission probably
costing $1500-$2000, I think this is a good investment.

Thank you all

Austin Tracy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Davis [mailto:b-davis@primary.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 7:05 AM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Subject: Re: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?
>
>
> Tools are just the normal jack, spare, handle. Make sure the wheel
> lock is there. Get the Stereo code, if so equipped.
>
> 5 Yr. 60K drivetrain warranty, so yer prolly outa luck there.
> Drive the car, and shift into lower gears at high speed,
> make sure the syncros are in good shape. I dont actually
> mean to downshift, but make sure you can put the tranny into
> lower gears.
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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:36:34 -0500
From: "Michael D. Romano" <mdr-nhl@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?

Can't speak for the VR-4, but my Stealth has the luglock key connected to
the jack via a small braided wire. Easily removed (and lost) for tire
changes.

- -Mike
'93 Stealth ES
mdr-nhl@worldnet.att.net <mailto:mdr-nhl@worldnet.att.net>

"That makes me angry. When Dr. Evil gets angry, Mr. Bigglesworth gets
upset, and when Mr. Bigglesworth gets upset, PEOPLE DIE!!!!" -- Dr.
Evil


>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>>[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of Tracy, Austin
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 9:13 AM
>>To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'
>>Subject: RE: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?
>>
>>
>>OK, so where is the wheel lock key supposed to be located?  are these VR-4
>>standard issue?

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 08:38:57 -0600
From: "Bill Davis" <b-davis@primary.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?

Should be with the jack, it's a socket adapter for the
locking lug nut. I am not sure if the 94 has the same
stereo as 95, if it does, and the stereo is working,
then the code has been input to the unit.

I can't remember, but somewhere there is a sticker
that says anti-theft sound system, or something like that.

Bill Davis 95 VR-4

- -----Original Message-----
From: Tracy, Austin <austin.tracy@rez.com>
To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com' <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 8:15 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?


>

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:48:20 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?

In addition to the other fine advice, expect to perform a wheel alignment.
Rear hatch rattles are not uncommon.  Sometimes it is just the jack and
tools movig around but sometimes it is the sealing around the hatch.
Sometimes the removable sunroof rattles too.  There should be a shade for
the sunroof.

There should be a removable tray in the center console.  Check to make sure
the active aero works.  You can test it by turning on the ignition (no need
to start the car) and depressing the active aero switch on the center
console.  Front dam should come down without any real noie and the wing
should flip up.  They should also retract without a fuss.

Three engine mounts on my 94 needed to be replaced when I bought it.  The
front left one (driver's side mount) is notorious for going and is easy to
check.

The stereo code is preset and usually a dealer can decode it from the serial
number on the back of the head unit.

Have fun.


Barry

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:55:57 -0500
From: "Michael D. Romano" <mdr-nhl@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?

>>Three engine mounts on my 94 needed to be replaced when I bought it.  The
>>front left one (driver's side mount) is notorious for going and is easy to
>>check.

That was good advice, Barry!
Can you explain how the mount is easy to check for failure? Any idea if its
also common on NT's with obviously less torque?

- -Mike
'93 Stealth ES
mdr-nhl@worldnet.att.net <mailto:mdr-nhl@worldnet.att.net>

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upset, and when Mr. Bigglesworth gets upset, PEOPLE DIE!!!!" -- Dr.
Evil



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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:57:36 -0500
From: "Michael D. Romano" <mdr-nhl@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?

>>Three engine mounts on my 94 needed to be replaced when I bought it.  The
>>front left one (driver's side mount) is notorious for going and is easy to
>>check.

That was good advice, Barry!
Can you explain how the mount is easy to check for failure? Any idea if its
also common on NT's with obviously less torque?

- -Mike
'93 Stealth ES
mdr-nhl@worldnet.att.net <mailto:mdr-nhl@worldnet.att.net>

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 08:00:26 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?

I am not sure if the NTs suffer from this or not.

Just locate the engine mount on the drivers side of the engine not far from
the cruise control box.  It is aluminium ad bolts to a metal (maybe iron)
piece between the engine and the chassis.  A flashlight may help.  Look for
cracks in the rubber and signs of stress on the iron piece.

Usually it is just the rubber that goes away.  That mount is supposedly
often stocked by dealers according to two different dealerships I asked so
they must be expecting it.


Regards,

Barry

> -----Original Message-----
>
> >>Three engine mounts on my 94 needed to be replaced when I
> bought it.  The
> >>front left one (driver's side mount) is notorious for going and
> is easy to
> >>check.
>
> That was good advice, Barry!
> Can you explain how the mount is easy to check for failure? Any
> idea if its
> also common on NT's with obviously less torque?
>
> -Mike
> '93 Stealth ES
> mdr-nhl@worldnet.att.net <mailto:mdr-nhl@worldnet.att.net>

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:07:32 -0500
From: "Fein, Edward" <fein@strategy.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Harmonic Balancer

According to Unorthodox Racing, our cars neither have nor need a harmonic
balancer...

But many people on this list disagree. The bottom line is that the
"balancer" is better known as the crank pulley, so to change it, you've got
to do all the labor for a timing belt change, which is enough to drive the
price up around $400 from a dealer.

However, I'd certainly get a second opinion... how can they tell that you
need a new one? Seems like an impossible thing to judge. And why not just
call it a crank pulley, like everyone else does, unless they're trying to
confuse you?

   -Ed


- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Crabtree [mailto:wjcrabtree@sprintmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 1999 10:03 PM
To: Stealth@starnet.net; stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Harmonic Balancer


How much should the parts and or labor cost to have the Harmonic
balancer replaced.  Lou Fusz Mitsubishi is telling me I need a new one.
Cost:  around $400.

Due to my recent dealings with them, I don't trust them.  Help me out
guys.

- --
- -Jeff Crabtree
    '91 Stealth R/T Turbo(#499)
          '93 Wrangler 4.0L Sport
               St. Louis, MO


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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 09:31:36 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?

At 06:18 AM 3/3/99 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Hello all,
>
>I am going to look at a 94 VR-4 Today... I was wondering if there is
anything that I should be careful about

Be sure to purchase a 3/36 warranty with it. That's an extra $1700
Check for a grind on the 1-2 or 2-1 shift. If so, the synchros are bad. A
new Getrag 6-speed will set you back about $3,000.
Make sure it has had its 60,000 mile service. This includes a new timing
chain. Ask to see documentation and/or receipts. A clutch is due now
too...see if that has been replaced.
Check the chrome on the wheels to see if it's bubbling. Wheels are $650
each to replace.
Talk to the previous owner.

Rich/old poop/94 VR4

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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 08:03:53 -0800
From: Roger Gerl <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?

The engine mounts (called silent blocks here) on my 93'3000GT (produced March
93) have been inspected at the 60k and again during the rebuild and they were in
a perfect condition... null problemo.

Regards,
Roger, Switzerland
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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:16:51 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?

Having just removed the engine, I can say that my engine mounts are in good
condition too. 117500 miles & look fine. I am considering hard mounting the
engine onto plates to avoid engine rock and to make sure they won't break
later. May be a bit more of vibration tho. Since it won't be an everyday
driver, I feel it won't be to much.
Arty 91 Vr-4

In a message dated 3/3/99 8:05:16 AM Pacific Standard Time,
robby@swissonline.ch writes:

<< Subj: Re: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine?
 Date: 3/3/99 8:05:16 AM Pacific Standard Time
 From: robby@swissonline.ch (Roger Gerl)
 Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 Reply-to: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 
 The engine mounts (called silent blocks here) on my 93'3000GT (produced March
 93) have been inspected at the 60k and again during the rebuild and they were
in
 a perfect condition... null problemo.
 
 Regards,
 Roger, Switzerland
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http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm >>
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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:29:53 EST
From: Lomcevak@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine/mount

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 If anyone's interested, here's a photo of the front mount. The 3 empty holes
are for the bolts to the engine (actually another iron peice bolted to the
engine).

  SteveC

 

  

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:47:07 -0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine/mount

TO save weight, change that motor mount to the 94+ aluminum mount.  Weight
savings of about 10lbs will be seen.
The newer mount bolts directly in.

> Brad
Member of ESSC since 1999>
> Check out my home page:    http://lonestar.texas.net/~bbedell
> E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682


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Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 10:30 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: VR-4 interference engine/mount

 << File: MOUNT1.JPG >>
 If anyone's interested, here's a photo of the front mount. The 3 empty
holes
are for the bolts to the engine (actually another iron peice bolted to the
engine).

  SteveC





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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 11:13:23 -0600
From: Wayne <wala@hypertech-inc.com>
Subject: Team3S: VR-4 Wheels wanted

Hello everyone,
I'm in need of a set of right side 1st gen, 17" wheels. If anybody has any,
will you trade for a set of left sides?
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 11:47:56 -0700
From: Ricardo Cousar <rcousar@uswest.com>
Subject: Team3S: Racers

 Does anyone on the list have a racing license? If so are you interested
in using it?



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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:53:50 -0500
From: "Fein, Edward" <fein@strategy.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: sunroof/sunshade

If you really want one, why not just ask around - I'm sure there's a lot of
us who have no use for ours.

So, what'll you give me for mine?
It's been lying in the back of a closet ever since I bought the car.
:-)

   -Ed

- -----Original Message-----
From: Stealth

And should you find yourself missing one, as I am, the friendly Dodge dealer
(or Mitsu dealer) will kindly order one for you...for $265.

I am not kidding. It's cheaper to have one made!

Robyn
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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:08:29 -0500
From: "Greg Narvas" <2nervis@3si.zzn.com>
Subject: Team3S: I'm Interested in buying a sunroof sun shade..

I'm looking for one of these sun shades...Thing is I have an aftermarket pop up sunroof. Is that sun shade only ment for the factory sun roof or do u think I can modify it to fit mine? thanx

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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 17:19:55 -0600
From: Wayne <wala@hypertech-inc.com>
Subject: Team3S: Brake caliper saga continues...

Well, if anybody remembers, i found 4 piston calipers at Ametuer Zone for a
good price. I finally got around to changing mine out when i realized they
gave me the wrong side. I ordered the right (passenger) side, i got the
left. The part number was correct though, it was the right side part number.

I figure, no big deal, i'll bring it back and have them order me another
one. Just for added security, i called the rebuilder (R-B Rebuilders,
Benton Harbor, Mi.) to warn them. I told them "i wanted to let you know
that i ordered a caliper from you, through Auto Zone, and it was the wrong
side. I would like to tell you how to determine which is which, so i get
the correct side this time" She says, "O.K., thanks. I'll tell the
manager". Then she hung up. So, needless to say, i wasn't given the chance
to tell them.

So the next day i go pick up my second caliper......guess
what........another left side. O.K. They have one strike left, then i
rebuild it myself (which i now know is pretty easy) So this time i throw
them a curve ball, and order a left side. Today i got my third
caliper........Bam.......right side!!!

The moral of the story is this; If you order a VR-4 front caliper from
Ametuer Zone, order the opposite side that you need, that way you will get
the correct one the first time. I thought about calling R-B Rebuilders back
to make another attempt, but i only like to be hung up on, once a week........

On a lighter note, having my car on a rack for 5 days allowed enough time
to build a main cat "test pipe", and come up with a decent pattern for a
downpipe......;')

Wayne
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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:26:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Frank Chen <jeep1978@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Parts 4 sale, rims, turbos, Bozz scoops too

Arty,
   are the 17 inchers with tires still for sale and if they are do you
mind if i call you to see them in person???? My brother "flatted" his
right rear sumitomo and it seems the tire has been discontiued.
anyhow, We were thinking of getting your 17 inchers (the set of 4 w/
tires included) as a replacement. anyhow, let me know soon. he is
currently driving my Jeep while I am driving my mom's jeep. Kinda
sucks since mom's jeep has a plain old cassette AM/FM and not CD
player like mine.
: (  thank Arty.




> (set 4)17" x 8.5 JJ Stock Alum Alloy 5 spoke directionals along
> with Goodyear Eagles 245/45/ZR17 Set of 4 wheels & tires $600.00
>
==
                                     -Frank-
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 17:37:24 -0700
From: dave <monarchd+team3s@colorado.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brake caliper saga continues...

Wayne said:

Well, if anybody remembers, i found 4 piston calipers at Ametuer Zone for a
good price. I finally got around to changing mine out when i realized they
gave me the wrong side. I ordered the right (passenger) side, i got the
left. The part number was correct though, it was the right side part number.
<snip>

I know it's probably not really worth the trouble, but how about forwarding
your letter to:

http://www.autozone.com/feedback.html

I have had similar frustrations in the past and wished I had an easy way to
communicate them..  Maybe it would help others in the future..

Dave
91 VR4


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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:55:23 -0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Brake caliper saga continues...

You know, this problem isn't just an "Auto Zone" problem.  It is a cost
cutting problem.
When you cut costs to have a product "cheap" you give up quality from some
place.  In this instance, it is customer service and boxing problems.
Consider yourself lucky you have a caliper that doesn't leak.

I have worked in the Automotive aftermarket for 12 years now.  This is
normal in discount parts places.  When penny pinching, expect these
problems.

If you had this problem with the dealer, I would be upset, because you pay a
higher price and should get it correct the first time.

Bottom line, you get what you pay for, customer service costs money, when a
place sells a part for pennies over cost you don't get the service or
quality control one would expect from a dealer.

> Brad
Member of ESSC since 1999>
> Check out my home page:    http://lonestar.texas.net/~bbedell
> E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682


- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 6:37 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brake caliper saga continues...

Wayne said:

Well, if anybody remembers, i found 4 piston calipers at Ametuer Zone for a
good price. I finally got around to changing mine out when i realized they
gave me the wrong side. I ordered the right (passenger) side, i got the
left. The part number was correct though, it was the right side part number.
<snip>

I know it's probably not really worth the trouble, but how about forwarding
your letter to:

http://www.autozone.com/feedback.html

I have had similar frustrations in the past and wished I had an easy way to
communicate them..  Maybe it would help others in the future..

Dave
91 VR4


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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 19:25:48 -0500
From: Brian Danley <bcdmad@concentric.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Brake caliper saga continues...

Well, if anybody remembers, i found 4 piston calipers at Ametuer Zone for a
good price.

[Brian Danley]  So have you driven it yet?  How are the calipers?



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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 22:06:14 -0500
From: Shawn Dewey <sdewey@dmv.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Racers

At 11:47 AM 3/3/99 -0700, you wrote:
> Does anyone on the list have a racing license? If so are you interested
>in using it?


I have an SCCA national competition license and my racing season is just
about to get into full swing again here on the east coast.

The team is also in the process of putting a team together to run the
inaugural 12 hours of Summit Point Endurance Race. Details can be found on
the Washington DC, Region of SCCA's web page at www.wdcr-scca.org

The event will be held on the weekend of June 4,5,6 later this year.

As always I encourage anyone interested to come out to see some REAL racing
where the cars make left and right hand turns (where 1320' is only getting
you started for a run at the front straight at Summit Point). Anyone that
comes down will be put to work right away as crew members if you are
interested.  =:o

BTW, my 3KGT does 140 mph easily just riding around while showing students
"the line".


- -shawn dewey

'91 Stealth R/T nonturbo 15.426 @ 90.68 (in the happy hands of a new owner!)
'93 3000GT VR4 12.98 @ 107 mph
'91 Talon TSI AWD 13.6 @ 98.8 (the commuter car, yeah right! :)
'95 Talon ESi SCCA Race Car (SSC class)
http://home.dmv.com/~sdewey
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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 19:26:02 -0700
From: "james berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brake caliper saga continues...

From: Brad Bedell <bbedell@austin.rr.com>


>You know, this problem isn't just an "Auto Zone" problem.  It is a cost
>cutting problem.
>When you cut costs to have a product "cheap" you give up quality from some
>place
>I have worked in the Automotive aftermarket for 12 years now.  This is
>normal in discount parts places.  When penny pinching, expect these
>problems.
>
>If you had this problem with the dealer, I would be upset, because you pay
a
>higher price and should get it correct the first time.
>
>Bottom line, you get what you pay for, customer service costs money,

Brad, I agree with much of what you said, however,one of  the reasons an
aftermarket
exists is because dealers have decided to make their parts department a
significant
profit center. I've had many a shock when quoted a price from the dealer. A
good example
is the $265 sunshade referred to in a recent post. I was recently quoted
$425 for a distributor
for my 89 probe turbo. Most people don't mind getting what they paid for
but, I don't think
I should pay double it's value.
 With respect to the Autozone problem, I'm sure if you talk to the right
person they will care a
lot and the problem will be resolved. Finding the right person might be a
pain though.

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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 22:51:03 -0500
From: Michael Booker <mrbook@gate.net>
Subject: Team3S: Roll Cages?

I was reading the latest turbo magazine, and the article with Adam
Saruw.....whatever was interesting, and he said that his roll cage
stiffened the car up enough that once the suspension was adjusted, his
60' times went from 1.65 to 1.30. Does anyone have a roll cage, and or
has anyone thought of having one put in?

Matt
#311
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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 20:52:14 -0700
From: "james berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: west coast all wheel dyno

I had the opportunity to get over to UPRD [Under Pressure Research and
Development ] in
Huntington Beach, Ca. While the're not open for business yet I got to talk
to some of the
worker bees and got a rundown on their operation.
I'm impressed with the potential and their goals. The're still in the
process of moving in, so things
were a little chaotic. The dynos [ two wheel and four wheel ] are supposed
to be up and running,
HOWEVER, when we tried to get a dyno run on my car  It would not record the
data correctly :-((
Seems the dyno manufacturer had made some changes the day before and hadn't
tested it in
4 wheel mode. When repaired I'm going back to establish a baseline for my
car with runs at
9 PSI and 15PSI.
In addition to the dyno's they have an engine dyno, flow benches, clean room
[engine assembly]
four lifts and miscellanious fabrication equiptment. The techs I talked to
really seemed to know
their stuff. They had a few cars around that they were working on ----
yellow 3000GT with 20 G
turbos, custom intercooler and mandrel bent intercooler lines and turbo-back
exhaust etc.etc.
BTW if you're in southern California and see a black Supra with the license
plate UPRD you may
challenge it at your peril. It's the bosses car that puts out about 900 HP
and has more modes
than I could count. It was up on a lift with the engine out and it looks
like he has as much invested
in that Supra as I have in my house.
They also have a warehouse area and an office area for 15 or 20
employees.They appear to be
well financed [ top of the line equipment and offices ].

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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 22:32:57 -0800
From: Roger Gerl <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: west coast all wheel dyno

> The dynos [ two wheel and four wheel ] are supposed to be up and running,

Have you been able to check out the manufacturer of the dyno ?? Would be
interesting.

Regards,
Roger


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