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Team3S Digest          Monday, March 1 1999          Volume 01 : Number 114




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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 22:40:32 -0500
From: Brian Danley <bcdmad@concentric.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Car Report :-((

> You can go up to 18 psi without much of a problem.

YES, the ONLY PROBLEM will be the huge cost and headache of the rebuild !
[Brian Danley]
Must be something wrong with YOUR car.  Mine has run fine with the 9b
turbos.  Your looking at ALOT less air with small turbos.

> On my stock turbos I ran 20psi at the track.

This are about 9 seconds under full 20psi. How many runs have you done
already ?
What pistons, injectors, etc ?
[Brian Danley]  Stock turbos. I ran this for 6-8 months!  I didn't have a
boost gauge and it was set like that via a bleeder when I bought it. To
date I've made about 35 runs

> You will start to notice timing retard and fuel cut at these levels.

No, he'll probably not notice the retard but the cut for sure. But it can
be too
late then and another proud owner goes in for a rebuild !
[Brian Danley]  Most people don't run 20psi for ver long.  This is just a
spike.  It can cause problems if.. That's what I implied.  Most people
don't have places to run 140+ MPH with boost going 18-20psi for long
periods of time.

[Brian Danley]
> Stick with the 15psi and when you see that C5 vette coming up just
> goose it up to 18psi :)

Brian, please forgive me my criticism, but I'd not give anyone such an
advice
that can lead in a huge engine damage, or even that he will be hurt due to
a
stupid road race !
[Brian Danley]  18 psi for a short run on stock turbos seems pretty safe to
me.  I've only seen one person ever have a problem at 18 psi on stock
turbos.

FACT is, our dyno sessions prove that our cars run out of gas after 14.2psi
and
the timing got retarded. This because the injectors are maxed out over 90%
and
more and this is it. Also the pump will not give you more then. If your car
runs
much better with the same setup we a ll have than you're a lucky guy and
you can
go on with the 20psi. I doubt that all others can do this.
[Brian Danley]
Did you get a printout on the Data Logger to show this .. or is this just a
hearing and feeling observation.

So Irving, you can go two ways : Leave the controller setting where it is.
The
boost you see is peak up to 15lbs and this is probably not sustained boost.
Therefore your still in the dark-green area and not in the red one. The
other
way is the one where you got the little devil on your shoulder (I know him
very
well) that says "crank da boost up, do it, common, do it !". And the car
runs
like hell then .... yeah directly to hell.

Check out my rebuild-page and also the dyno pages, and if you still want to
follow Darth Vader... we'll see us in the rebuild club.

Take care guys,
Roger, Switzerland
(currently in CA)


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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 22:51:20 -0500
From: Brian Danley <bcdmad@concentric.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: boost spikes ??

I hear [ read ] a lot of statements about boost spikes. e.g. Roger said
that
during his dyno runs with boost set at 1 BAR he saw spikes of 1.34 BAR. Are
these spikes only a result of aftermarket boost controllers or do they
occur
with the stock setup. What is the cause?? Do they occur during rapid
throttle transitions?? Are they visible an a mechanical boost gage or are
the transitions too fast for a mechanical gage??


[Brian Danley]
This is common  (overboost situation) if the DSBC Gain is not set properly.
 You can set your boost controller up not to do this... it takes some time
to fine it's happy spot.

Brian
PS:
 Maybe this is why Roger had to rebuild his engine 1.34bar =19.69 psi
(getting close to the 20 psi ....;)
I know this wasn't the reason ... just giving you a hard time Roger


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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 21:15:45 -0800
From: Roger Gerl <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Car Report :-((

> [Brian Danley]  Stock turbos. I ran this for 6-8 months!  I didn't have a
> boost gauge and it was set like that via a bleeder when I bought it. To
> date I've made about 35 runs

Great, luckily the bleeder setup does only overboost a little.

>> FACT is, our dyno sessions prove that our cars run out of gas after 14.2psi
>> and the timing got retarded. This because the injectors are maxed out over
>> 90% and more and this is it.

> Did you get a printout on the Data Logger to show this .. or is this just a
> hearing and feeling observation.

Unfortunately, we have not had a datalogger on my car (I don't know if it works
on teh EU cars) as well as on Jims car it won't work. On the dyno we are able to
hold the rpm and keep the engine under full load. Then boost can be cranked up
and you can see the power it makes more or less. This happend as boost was
increased what indicates that the timing got retarded. Also the IDC on the Apexi
showed that the injectors got maxed out. No knock was hearable as this is
high-speed knock and very hard to hear on the dyno.

Brian, please share the data loggings with us. Especially a whole 1/4 mile run
logging with all the infos would be great. Also you have different injectors in
it, haven't you ? Would be good to find out what are the differences on your car
compared to others :)

Looking forward,
Roger
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 21:21:28 -0800
From: Roger Gerl <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: boost spikes ??

> PS:
>  Maybe this is why Roger had to rebuild his engine 1.34bar =19.69 psi
> (getting close to the 20 psi ....;)
> I know this wasn't the reason ... just giving you a hard time Roger

No, THIS WAS the reason for sure ! The huge overboostings and my ignorance
afterwards were responsible for the rebuild :( I already had the oil steam
comming out from the BOV before I made the hard high-speed runs on the autobahn.
The broken rings let more pressure into the crankcase and pressed the oil into
the intake, causing more leaner situation causing much earlier detonations.
Well, I hope that the data logger will maybe work on my car.

Later,
Roger
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:29:12 -0600
From: "Oskar" <swede@pclink.com>
Subject: Team3S: Aftermarket water temp gauge

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Oskar
'95 R/T TT

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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:30:25 -0600
From: "Oskar" <swede@pclink.com>
Subject: Team3S: Aftermarket oil pressure gauge - what range

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Thanks for any help,
Oskar
'95 R/T TT

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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:09:26 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Aftermarket water temp gauge

The ECU definitely uses water temperature as one of the parameters to
calculate fuel trims and select mixture from the fuel maps.  I am assuming
it uses the same sensor on the block to also display the water temperature
on the gauge since the gauge is driven from the ECU.

You may wish to investigate how the ECU reacts if the gauge is disconnected
but with the stock sensor still in place and connected to the ECU.  If it
doesn't complain you can either fit a gauge compatible with the stock sensor
or tap an additional sensor to run the new gauge.  In any case, the ECU
wants to see water temperature.  It relies on it heavily during warmup and
even during cruise.  Without it operational drivability will definitely
suffer.

It _likely_ doesn't play as large a role as the TPS or MAF during WOT, but
that is speculation.


Regards,

Barry


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Hoping that someone has experience in this area!

While having the dash removed I'm thinking about replacing the water temp
gauge.  Can the sender be replaced on the second gen turbo engine without
causing a problem with the ECM, or anything else for that matter?  If so,
can I go either mechanical or electrical?  What type of sender is used in
this car?

I'm curious if the water temp is used for anything other than the gauge, if
so this may complicate replacement.

Also, would it be sufficient to get a gauge with an upper limit of 240F?

Thanks for any help,
Oskar
'95 R/T TT

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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 23:11:20 -0800
From: travis <travisblanchard@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: trying to place 17x7.5 rims on a 94 vr-4

    I know this is a couple of days old, but an alternative (if you really want to run
the 17x7.5 wheels) would be to use a wheel adaptor.  Approx. 1" to 1"1/4 should help the
wheel to fit while also allowing it to be pushed out to look like a larger wheel.
caution!!!!!  there are cheap adaptors and there are well made(not as cheap) adaptors.
It pays to shop around and get a good billet adaptor. I run 18" 95 vr4 wheels on my 86
mustang with 1"1/4 adaptors and have had great luck so far.(also allows me to run bmw
wheels with diffrent bolt pattern) have gone on trips and drag raced with them.  The
diffrence between adaptors and spacers(which i don't like either) are that the adaptors
bolt to your hub and the wheel bolts to the adaptor.  Weld racing sells these for an
okay price-but be warned.... they are usually custom ordered and take 1-3 weeks on
average.
    just my 2 cents.

    travis blanchard
    94 laser
    looking for a tt stealth/3000 gt

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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:21:01 -0600
From: "Gendron, Curt" <Curt.Gendron@westgroup.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: List Question

John,

I'm not sure if your response is an example or if this is an actual problem
you are having.  You can check out my "Wheels" webpage that acutally has
most of the differnent rim styles found on the 3/S cars and use that as a
reference to what you are talking about.  Check it out at:
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Shop/1044/wheels.html

later,
Curt G
95 R/T TT
and author of Minnesota 3/S at:
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Shop/1044/


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So, in other words, if I want a clarification of exactly what vintage the
Mitsubisihi chrome wheels I have on my 3000 are, (I'm getting
different stories from the non-Mitsubishi dealer I bought my '95 from,
and the local Mitsubishi dealer where I get the car serviced), I could
attach a jpeg file to email to the list, get an identification, then I would

know how to pursue the issue of getting the chrome plating that is
flaking off, fixed???  (How's that for a run-on sentence?)

Advice please?

TIA,

John

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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 10:35:16 -0600
From: Wayne <wala@hypertech-inc.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Aftermarket water temp gauge

I'm not sure about the 92+ models, but the 91 uses a seperate sending unit
for the gage, as do a lot of other Mitsu's. It is located just under the
upper radiator hose. There are three connectors next to each other, the one
for the gage is the forwardmost connector, with only one wire.

I know if you get an Autometer mechanical gage, it will come with several
adaptors, one of them will fit into the factory sending unit's hole.
(remember to drain the coolant before removing the sender)

240F may not be enough if you are using a stock thermostat and radiator, as
"normal" operating temp's are in the area of 220-230F. If racing, the
temp's may get to 250F.

Wayne

At 11:09 PM 2/28/99 -0700, you wrote:
>I am assuming it uses the same sensor on the block to also display the
water temperature
>on the gauge since the gauge is driven from the ECU.

>-----Original Message-----
>
>Hoping that someone has experience in this area!

>I'm curious if the water temp is used for anything other than the gauge, if
>so this may complicate replacement.
>
>Also, would it be sufficient to get a gauge with an upper limit of 240F?


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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 06:44:18 +0100
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Mods (N/A)

Michael Booker wrote:
>
>  I have similar mods on my 93 R/T, (K&N, Custom, mufflerless exhaust)
> And i can definately say that the low end torque has been so decreased
> that even with a powerbreak launch, the tires don't spin at all, but
> holding the throttle open, i get a big, noticable kick in the pants
> acceleration boost from 3000 RPM-to the redline. I also get much better
> gas mileage and my system, with no mufflers, is really loud, borderline
> illegal, but it sounds good and is throaty enough so it doesn't sound
> like a lawnmower.
>
> Matt

I wonder if it would help to put a TT exhaust on the car and run it in
Tour mode to help create back pressure at low RPMs?  The active exhaust
system automatically switches to Sport mode above 3500 RPMs, right about
where you say the freer flowing exhaust and intake begin to improve
performance.  Anyone tried this?  Thanx...

-Jim
- --
Jim Matthews - Wiesbaden, Germany
matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (64 Kbps ISDN)
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews

*** 3000GT-Stealth International (3Si) Member #0030 ***
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews/stealth.html
Jet Black '94 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 72% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
Metal Matrix brake pads, custom braided brake lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 168mph
G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 406 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft torque


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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:10:09 -0600
From: "Omar Malik" <ojm@iname.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Mods (N/A)

> I wonder if it would help to put a TT exhaust on the car and run it in
> Tour mode to help create back pressure at low RPMs?  The active exhaust
> system automatically switches to Sport mode above 3500 RPMs, right about
> where you say the freer flowing exhaust and intake begin to improve
> performance.  Anyone tried this?  Thanx...

how exactly is the exhaust unit controlled? is it a seperate control unit
entity that monitors RPM, or is it tied into the ECU somehow? i would think
the former would be preffered.

omar
92 r/t


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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:41:51 EST
From: Dskull@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: IMP

Irving & Ana Jimenez. Tried to e-mail direct. Bounced. Is this the IMP
located in Clifton NJ ?  If not, please supply address and phone #

Thanks   Dave 93 VR4
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:01:39 EST
From: Dskull@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Intercoolers

Does anyone know what the flow and cooling rate of the stock intercoolers are
?
Trying to justify upgrade and what it will do for me bottom line.

Dave 93 VR4 stock turbo's , Blitz DSBC 1.05 bars.

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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 17:01:47 -0600
From: Wayne <wala@hypertech-inc.com>
Subject: Team3S: Trust exhaust dillema

Hey guys and girls,
I recently aquired a trust cat-back system for a TT 3/s. I dont see how
this will fit on my car. The flange that bolts to the catalyst doesn't have
the same shape as the factoy gasket. Has anybody had a similar problem?
Maybe i'm missing a part to the trust system? I have two pieces, are there
supposed to be three? Thanks.....

Wayne
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 17:12:36 -0600
From: Wayne <wala@hypertech-inc.com>
Subject: Team3S: Trust exhaust Boo-Boo

Sorry everyone,
I just realized i was looking at the wrong flange!! How ignorant of
me......I'm now in the process of removing a couple notches from my
knowlege belt......

Wayne
(future catless, trust exhaust junckie)
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:16:12 -0500
From: "Trent" <rtrent@nlci.com>
Subject: Team3S: Intake air temp

All,

I just recieved a $50.00 air temp. meter that includes sending unit from
summit.  On looking for a good place to install it, I started eyeing the
tapped hole I put in my intake plenum that is currently occupied by my boost
gage line, (its the same tap size).  My question is, is there a good place
to tee in the boost gage line that won't effect the device that also uses
the line, (i.e. my AVC-R boost controller), and also provide fairly accurate
boost.

Regards,
DaveT/92TT/13g/AVC/AFC/ABC/FCC/FDA/etc

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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:58:59 -0500
From: "Fein, Edward" <fein@strategy.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: HKS EVCIV and EVCIII Questions

I've got the Apex'i Twin-Chamber BOV in my '94.

It would easily be my first choice for an external-venting BOV if it wasn't
for one small problem: Its stock mounting position interferes with the shift
linkage on the 6-spd transmission, so it requires some modification to mount
in the '94+ cars.

Other than that drawback, it is a nice, well-constructed unit, with a
tunable blow-off note (i.e you can change teh size of the outer opening ring
to change the pitch and volume of the sound).

Unfortunately, it is victim to the stumbling problems associated with all
external-venting BOVs, so if I had to do it again, I'd probably set up a
Greddy Type-S to vent back into the stock location.

    -Ed


- -----Original Message-----
From: Meyer [mailto:meyer2@erols.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 1999 2:54 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: HKS EVCIV and EVCIII Questions


Brent,
We are using the EVC IV with excellent accuracy and no spikes.  In response
to your BOV question we are using the HKS which comes preset from the
factory and works great. I would also like to make the group aware that
Apex~i sells a BOV with a 3S kit for $50 less than HKS and Blitz but I don't
know anyone who has tried it. If any one wants to we have them for $250.
Frank
www.AcceleratedAccessories.com
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:37:04 -0700
From: "james berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: transaxle woes !!!

went to change the fluid in the transaxle of my 93 stealth TT and was
dismayed to find the drain plug was stripped. It would spin in both
directions but wouldn't tighten or loosen :-(  ---luckily it doesn't leak
either :-)
Any ideas out there? I've thought of drilling and tapping a hole in the plug
and using the new hole as a drain or using a slide hammer to pull the plug
and then retapping the hole. hoping for a better plan !!

                                            Jim Berry    93 stealth TT

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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 20:33:54 EST
From: PFloyd91@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: List Question

In a message dated 3/1/99 10:23:48 AM Central Standard Time,
Curt.Gendron@westgroup.com writes:

<< http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Shop/1044/wheels.html
  >>

Curt ---

THANK YOU !!!!!! 

My wheels are the 97-99 3000GT SL 17"

You've answered the question -- Thanks!
Now I need to figure out what to do about the
chrome falling off ---

Thanks to everyone for helping with this, for putting
up with my dumb questions ----

And anyone who hasn't done so, oughta check out
Curt's sight for general interest purposes ---

Now, if you thought I was a pain in the a** about 
the wheels, just wait until I get going with some of
the technical stuff <<GG>>

John
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:17:44 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: transaxle woes !!!

Try locking a set of the lock jaw pliers on it and then hang a weight on the
pliers. Maybe as you unscrew it will grab a bit & screw out. If not working,
try a hub puller type of tool and turn slowly. The slap hammer will kill it
for sure. I'd like to say torch heat it but a fire is possible.
Arty

<< ubj: Team3S: transaxle woes !!!
 Date: 3/1/99 8:51:10 PM Eastern Standard Time
 From: fastmax@home.com (james berry)
 Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 Reply-to: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com (team 3si)
 
 went to change the fluid in the transaxle of my 93 stealth TT and was
 dismayed to find the drain plug was stripped. It would spin in both
 directions but wouldn't tighten or loosen :-(  ---luckily it doesn't leak
 either :-)
 Any ideas out there? I've thought of drilling and tapping a hole in the plug
 and using the new hole as a drain or using a slide hammer to pull the plug
 and then retapping the hole. hoping for a better plan !!
 
                                             Jim Berry    >>
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 20:39:48 -0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: transaxle woes !!!

Hrmm try using a file and making new corners for the plug.

If that does not work, you might find someone who can weld another drain
plug to the one in there so you can pull it out.

Maybe weld a nut on the end of the plug.

> Brad
Member of ESSC since 1999>
> Check out my home page:    http://lonestar.texas.net/~bbedell
> E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682


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[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com] On Behalf Of Aso8@aol.com
Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 8:18 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Cc: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: transaxle woes !!!

Try locking a set of the lock jaw pliers on it and then hang a weight on the
pliers. Maybe as you unscrew it will grab a bit & screw out. If not working,
try a hub puller type of tool and turn slowly. The slap hammer will kill it
for sure. I'd like to say torch heat it but a fire is possible.
Arty

<< ubj: Team3S: transaxle woes !!!
 Date: 3/1/99 8:51:10 PM Eastern Standard Time
 From: fastmax@home.com (james berry)
 Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 Reply-to: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com (team 3si)

 went to change the fluid in the transaxle of my 93 stealth TT and was
 dismayed to find the drain plug was stripped. It would spin in both
 directions but wouldn't tighten or loosen :-(  ---luckily it doesn't leak
 either :-)
 Any ideas out there? I've thought of drilling and tapping a hole in the
plug
 and using the new hole as a drain or using a slide hammer to pull the plug
 and then retapping the hole. hoping for a better plan !!

                                             Jim Berry    >>
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:33:00 -0700
From: "james berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: transaxle woes !!!

- ---!!!


>Hrmm try using a file and making new corners for the plug.
>
>If that does not work, you might find someone who can weld another drain
>plug to the one in there so you can pull it out.
>
>Maybe weld a nut on the end of the plug.
>



The head of the drain plug is in good shape --- someone overtightened the
plug and stripped the threads
I assume the aluminum transaxle is stripped.
>

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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:00:06 -0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: transaxle woes !!!

OH!  That is bad. Maybe a Heli Coil and rethread it.

Not the best fix in the world, but some companies make a expanding rubber
plug. This should fix your problem. Just have to replace the plug every time
you change the transaxle oil.  Cost ~4-5.00 at any parts store.

This thing looks like a rubber freeze plug, tighten the nut on the end and
the rubber expands.


> Brad
Member of ESSC since 1999>
> Check out my home page:    http://lonestar.texas.net/~bbedell
> E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682


- -----Original Message-----

The head of the drain plug is in good shape --- someone overtightened the
plug and stripped the threads
I assume the aluminum transaxle is stripped.
>

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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:08:03 -0500
From: Brian Danley <bcdmad@concentric.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Car Report :-((

Brian, please share the data loggings with us. Especially a whole 1/4 mile run
logging with all the infos would be great. Also you have different injectors in
it, haven't you ? Would be good to find out what are the differences on your car
compared to others :)

[Brian Danley]  I'm going to try to use it this weekend.  I post my results. 



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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:12:54 -0500
From: Brian Danley <bcdmad@concentric.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: boost spikes ??

> PS:
>  Maybe this is why Roger had to rebuild his engine 1.34bar =19.69 psi
> (getting close to the 20 psi ....;)
> I know this wasn't the reason ... just giving you a hard time Roger

No, THIS WAS the reason for sure ! The huge overboostings and my ignorance
afterwards were responsible for the rebuild :( I already had the oil steam
comming out from the BOV before I made the hard high-speed runs on the
autobahn.
The broken rings let more pressure into the crankcase and pressed the oil
into
the intake, causing more leaner situation causing much earlier detonations.
Well, I hope that the data logger will maybe work on my car.
[Brian Danley]  As long as the wiring harness is the same it should work.
 When you find out what your looks compare it to the US version.  I think
it has 14 pins .. 10 on the top and four on this bottom side.


kinda like this....      | | | | | | | | | |
                              | |            | |

It might have less pins .... it's the code harness


Brian



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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:43:46 -0600
From: "Oskar" <swede@pclink.com>
Subject: Team3S: Goodridge brake line kit

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What is included in this kit for the turbo cars??? #308865

I just received mine.  It includes 8 brake lines and nothing more.  The =
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According to the vendor these come without any hardware.  As I have had =
a few not so good conversations with them lately I'm not sure they're =
giving me the truth.  Anyone know what comes in these kits?

Thanks,
Oskar
'95 R/T TT

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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:48:08 -0600
From: "Oskar" <swede@pclink.com>
Subject: Team3S: AVCR solenoid location

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Forgive me for bringing this up as it has been discussed in the past.

Has anyone successfully mounted the solenoid for the AVCR so that you =
can't hear it?  (In a 3S car...)

Thanks,
Oskar
'95 R/T TT

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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:30:33 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: AVCR solenoid location

Yes.  I mounted mine securely using sheet metal screws to the flattest part
of the inner fender well (near the air cleaner) on three thin layers of
compressed foam rubber.  When compressed I'd guess that the pad is between
1/16" and 1/8" thick.

It is absolutely silent as far as I or anyone else I've had try to hear it
can tell.  It cannot be heard from within the cabin in the driver's seat,
nor with the windows open and a passenger listening for the "legendary"
ticking, nor when going through an underpass tunnel or walls and the like.
I have even driven while under boost with someone on the sidelines to see if
they could hear any ticking from outside.  All they report hearing is the
exhaust, the sucking of the intake through the K & N, whine of the 15Gs and
the BOV.  Before the tranny was fixed there'd be the odd crunch too ;)

I have first hand experience with two other AVC-R installations in non-3S
cars and they too are also dead quiet.  When mounted correctly they are no
louder than any other solenoid.

It seems that people complain only about the Apexi solenoid being noisy.  I
do not believe it unique to the Apexi nor noiser than any other solenoid of
this type.  I have heard other non-Apexi solenoids that tick as well.  I
believe it comes down to how and where it is mounted.


Regards,

Barry

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Forgive me for bringing this up as it has been discussed in the past.

Has anyone successfully mounted the solenoid for the AVCR so that you can't
hear it?  (In a 3S car...)

Thanks,
Oskar
'95 R/T TT

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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 00:03:35 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Show quality High Polished Plenum

Selling a Very High "Show Quality" Plenum with a true Mirror finish.
Will sell for $600.00 with core exchange.
Arty 91 VR-4
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