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February 27 1999 Volume 01 : Number
112
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Date:
Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:51:14 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
CPU
The other issue that may be a problem is that a cam sensor changed or
was
added somewhere around 93 or 94. Other then that I'd bet they are
pretty
damn close unless there are significant differences in any ECU
controlled
convenience features between the earlier and later
models.
Barry
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
The wiring harness on the first and 2nd generation ECU's are different.
>
If I remember correctly the first generation used a 3 plug ECU while the
>
2nd Gen used a 4 Plug ECU. What could be done is an entire wire harness
>
swap on a 2nd Generation block to a 1st Generation Wire harness, this
>
would allow you to utilize the VPC and such.
>
> I've heard rumors
that it MIGHT (BIG MIGHT HERE) possible to swap a 94
> ECU into 95+ to get
around OBDII, but I've yet to see someone attempt
> this.
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Date:
Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:44:57 -0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: CPU
For info sake: the non OBD II ECU will work on a twin
turbo supra with OBD
II.
The 92/93 3000 VR4 ECU's will
interchange. The 93 uses the separate
cam/crank sensor.
I suspect
one could put a Non OBD II ECU on a OBD II car, however you may
run into some
small problems. What they are, who knows.
> Brad
Member
of ESSC since 1999>
> Check out my home page: http://lonestar.texas.net/~bbedell
>
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On Behalf Of Barry E. King
Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 6:51 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
RE: Team3S: CPU
The other issue that may be a problem is that a cam
sensor changed or was
added somewhere around 93 or 94. Other then that
I'd bet they are pretty
damn close unless there are significant differences
in any ECU controlled
convenience features between the earlier and later
models.
Barry
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
The wiring harness on the first and 2nd generation ECU's are different.
>
If I remember correctly the first generation used a 3 plug ECU while the
>
2nd Gen used a 4 Plug ECU. What could be done is an entire wire harness
>
swap on a 2nd Generation block to a 1st Generation Wire harness, this
>
would allow you to utilize the VPC and such.
>
> I've heard rumors
that it MIGHT (BIG MIGHT HERE) possible to swap a 94
> ECU into 95+ to get
around OBDII, but I've yet to see someone attempt
> this.
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Date:
Fri, 26 Feb 1999 20:39:54 -0800
From: Roger Gerl <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: CPU
> For info sake: the non OBD II ECU will work on a twin
turbo supra with OBD
> II.
Huh.... And how are the TT Supras 560cc
injectors controlled ? Also the Supra has a real boost
sensor to control its
waste- and other gates, ours not. Sounds strange to me
!
Regards,
Roger
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Date:
Fri, 26 Feb 1999 22:44:08 -0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: CPU
Hehe let me clarify.. Supra OBD II and Supra Non
OBD II.. The Supra ECU
will not work on the 3000.
Better?
> Brad
Member of ESSC since 1999>
> Check out
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>
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On Behalf Of Roger Gerl
Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 10:40 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Re: Team3S: CPU
> For info sake: the non OBD II ECU will work on a
twin turbo supra with OBD
> II.
Huh.... And how are the TT Supras
560cc injectors controlled ? Also the
Supra has a real boost
sensor to
control its waste- and other gates, ours not. Sounds strange to
me
!
Regards,
Roger
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Date:
Sat, 27 Feb 1999 01:41:26 -0500
From: RPM Motorsports <rpmmotorsport@adelphia.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: CPU
I would assume that utilizing the 3000GT ECU in the Supra
would be
similar to running the stock injector plan on the VPC with
550
injectors. The fuel maps would be set for 3000GT injectors and the
ECU
wouldn't realize the 550 injectors exist, they would just spray with
at
the rate of the 3000GT. So does this mean it would be richer or
leaner?
I do know that you can use a 94+ Engine with the 92 Harness, my
friend
is currently doing that, maybe he just interchanged the motor
location.
On a similar note, could you interchange engine mount brackets
on
different years, on the shortblock, so you can make the 94+ motor's
fit
into a 91? I do know there is a difference between the mounts, but
can't
you simply interchange the brackets since the mount location should
be
the same on the block?
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Date:
Sat, 27 Feb 1999 15:54:26 +0100
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Envelope pushers
Zentelis none wrote:
>
> This
is just a personal inquirey (sp?) out of curiosity. I've been
> reading
about all the 0-60's and 1/4 speed/time's but i'm curious,
> what're some
of the top speeds you turbo upgraded owners are getting?
> I'm guessing
most, if any at all, of the replies will be you autobahn
> runners :)
Since I can't afford a '94 TT 15G yet, i just wondered so i
> could dream
about whatever top speeds you're getting :)
168 mph with the mods and
settings in my signature below. I think it
might do a little better
than 170 mph if the "soft limiter" Barry
described earlier is out to
lunch. The car feels good at high speeds,
very solid. I would
suspect that a TT would reach a higher top speed
than a VR4 but that a VR-4
would feel more stable at the same speed
(active aero causes drag but creates
downforce).
-Jim
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Date:
Sat, 27 Feb 1999 11:00:45 +0000
From: Roger Ludwig Jr <yiotta@e-z.net>
Subject: Team3S:
Mods
For off the line performance, what would the next mod after intake
and
exhaust on a 3000GT NT? Thanx for your thoughts...
Roger
L
Vancouver WA
1994 300GT SL
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Date:
Sat, 27 Feb 1999 14:49:05 -0500
From: "Bob Rand" <rtr@vnet.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Mods
Boost control run at 14.7 - 15 psi
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Roger Ludwig Jr <yiotta@e-z.net>
To: 3000GT List <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date:
Saturday, February 27, 1999 2:01 PM
Subject: Team3S: Mods
>For
off the line performance, what would the next mod after intake
and
>exhaust on a 3000GT NT? Thanx for your thoughts...
>Roger
L
>Vancouver WA
>1994 300GT SL
>
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Date:
Sat, 27 Feb 1999 15:28:12 -0500
From: Brian Danley <bcdmad@concentric.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Mods
Seeing as this is a not turbo (can't use the boost
controller mod below ;)
I would say tires and a clutch. If your
stock clutch is holding fine then
don't worry about that as much.
Sticky tires would help. Maybe a little
diet too ... like removing the
spare tire and jack.. lighter seats ..skip
breakfast :) You could also
go the NOS route.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bob Rand [SMTP:rtr@vnet.net]
Sent: Saturday,
February 27, 1999 2:49 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Mods
Boost control run at 14.7 - 15 psi
-
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Ludwig Jr <yiotta@e-z.net>
To: 3000GT List <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date:
Saturday, February 27, 1999 2:01 PM
Subject: Team3S: Mods
>For
off the line performance, what would the next mod after intake
and
>exhaust on a 3000GT NT? Thanx for your thoughts...
>Roger
L
>Vancouver WA
>1994 300GT SL
>
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Date:
Sat, 27 Feb 1999 16:44:47 -0500
From: Irving & Ana Jimenez <lt1power@crystal.palace.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Car Report :o)
Well I just wanted to let everyone know that I got
my car back from I.M.P with all the
mods.
As it ended up being, I went
with a custom exhaust ( it came out cheaper to just
fabricate one, then to
order the HKS and boy am I happy we did. ) The exhaust note on
this thing now
is something that I've always wanted, - A Very Deep Smooth Base. ( Man,
It
sounds AWESOME ) - Also got an IMP Downpipe and the K&N Air filter
.
Anyway I also got the HKS EVC which has been set to 0.95 bar - on the
boost gauge (
aftermarket ) I see about 14-15 lbs .
Now, my quick question
is , Is this a safe but effective boost level for an otherwise
stock car? (
1996 VR4 ) - can I run more ?
On a side
note: The car really picked up like crazy on the
top end with all these
mods, and now I can use the whole RPM range because
before it ran out of breath at about
6000
.
Irving
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Date:
Sat, 27 Feb 1999 15:43:29 -0500
From: Brian Danley <bcdmad@concentric.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Car Report :o)
Anyway I also got the HKS EVC which has been
set to 0.95 bar - on the boost
gauge (
aftermarket ) I see about 14-15
lbs .
Now, my quick question is , Is this a safe but effective boost level
for an
otherwise
stock car? ( 1996 VR4 ) - can I run more
?
[Brian Danley] That is a safe boost for running around town
and will give
you the edge on most of your street racing endeavors.
You can go up to 18
psi without much of a problem. On my stock turbos
I ran 20psi at the
track. You will start to notice timing retard and
fuel cut at these
levels. Stick with the 15psi and when you see that
C5 vette coming up just
goose it up to 18psi :)
On a side
note: The car really picked up like crazy on the
top end
with all these
mods, and now I can use the whole RPM range
because before it ran out of
breath at about
6000 . [Brian
Danley] The controller really helps with keeping the boost
up there. The higher boost you run the more you'll notice it falling
off
at high RPM's (around 6000-7000). You'll be running 18 psi up to
6000rpm's
then it will fall down a few psi until you shift. But there
is nothing
like more boost to live'n up your car
:)
Brian
Irving
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Date:
Sat, 27 Feb 1999 17:13:57 -0500
From: "Bob Rand" <rtr@vnet.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Mods
Sorry, my fault as I didnt read the entire post and assumed.
oops
Bob
- -----Original Message-----
From: Brian Danley <bcdmad@concentric.net>
To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date:
Saturday, February 27, 1999 4:36 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Mods
>Seeing as this is a not turbo (can't use the boost
controller mod below ;)
> I would say tires and a clutch. If your
stock clutch is holding fine then
>don't worry about that as much.
Sticky tires would help. Maybe a little
>diet too ... like removing
the spare tire and jack.. lighter seats ..skip
>breakfast :) You
could also go the NOS route.
>
>-----Original
Message-----
>From: Bob Rand [SMTP:rtr@vnet.net]
>Sent: Saturday,
February 27, 1999 2:49 PM
>To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>Subject:
Re: Team3S: Mods
>
>
>
>
>Boost control run at
14.7 - 15 psi
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Roger Ludwig Jr
<yiotta@e-z.net>
>To: 3000GT
List <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
>Date:
Saturday, February 27, 1999 2:01 PM
>Subject: Team3S:
Mods
>
>
>>For off the line performance, what would the
next mod after intake and
>>exhaust on a 3000GT NT? Thanx for your
thoughts...
>>Roger L
>>Vancouver WA
>>1994 300GT
SL
>>
>>For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
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Date:
Sat, 27 Feb 1999 15:21:54 -0800
From: "Errin D. Humphrey" <errin@u.washington.edu>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: 3000GTs have a speed governor? (old post)
"Jeremy R."
wrote:
> from everything I've ever understood about our cars as far as
speed
> governors go, the limit is always denoted as "drag limited" which
means
> there is no electronic limiter, that the aerodynamic properties of
our car
> themselves limit our top end. my .02
>
Jeremy
> 91 Stealth R/T n/a which has reached 135 (no 120mph limit
bullshit)
Jeremy,
I noticed that no one addressed this issue which
you brought up a while
ago, so I will take the liberty. Here is a
snippet of a post of mine from
the Supra mailing list. Note: the
Toyota Supra has a "hard" speed
limiter which kicks in at 155mph, but it can
be removed by removing
the traction control fuse. Some people on their
list were saying that the
VR4 is "inferior" to the Supra because the VR4 is
"drag-limited" whereas
their beloved Supra is only limited by its speed
limiter.
- --BPU'ed TOP speed: from: E. Humphrey
to: mkiv@mkiv.com
Drag-limited
is a somewhat meaningless statement in the world of
high performance
~modifiable~ sports cars. Drag-limited essentially
means
"power-limited." Every car--including the Supra--is drag
limited at
some point. Remove the Supra's speed limiter (by pulling
the trac fuse
of course) and one can accerate to a speed at which
the car (in stock form)
will ~not~ be able to produce enough power
to overcome aerodynamic
drag. Mod it as much as you want and
you will always reach a point at
which you aren't making enough
power to overcome drag. That is, until
you max out the gearing of
the transmission/driveline. In case you
didn't know, by only 60mph
aerodynamic resistance has already become the
dominant force
which must be overcome by the forward force supplied by the
drive
wheels (and in effect, the power produced by the engine). In
other
words, your engine must produce almost twice as much power
to
overcome aerodynamic drag as it must produce to overcome the
resistance
of rolling friction (from the road) once at ~60 mph.
- --End
post.
I hope that helps.
- --Errin Humphrey
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Date:
Sat, 27 Feb 1999 20:51:37 -0500
From: Don Kessler <dgkessler@ameritech.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Silicone Brake Fluid
Has anyone used silicone brake fluid in
their cars. I like the fact that
will not absorb water. Are there other
issues with its' use?
Thanks for your ideas.
Don
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