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Team3S Digest Friday,
February 26 1999 Volume 01 : Number
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Date:
Thu, 25 Feb 1999 18:09:28 EST
From: PFloyd91@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: List
Question
Hi Darc,
I just want to run something by you --- I really
enjoy the Team3S
list, however so much of it is soooo technical that it's way
over my
head, at least for now. Also, I know that the submission of
attachments
is a "No-No". So I'm wanting to start a new list on Onelist that
is
designed as an adjunct to your list. Also, to provide a place for
jpegs
to be sent. Additionally, I've been trying to organize an
informal
get together for St. Louis area 3000/Stealth owners and I've
found
that having a list as I've described is probably the most
convenient
forum for doing this.
I wanted to let you know about this
personally and before word rolls
around about it -- other lists in
non-3000-related areas get a bit nasty
once in a while when a list owner
discovers that somebody from his
list has gone out and started one of their
own --- 'sort of juvenile
in my mind. Anyway, I do not intend to steal any of
the Team3S's thunder,
nor do I intend to unsubscribe as I'm learning a lot by
just reading the
posts and lurking.
'just wanted to let you Team3S
guys know ----
John Hitzeman
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Date:
Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:28:41 +0100
From: Kevin Clark <Kevin.Clark@hnz.co.nz>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: List Question
> Also, I know that the submission of
attachments is a "No-No".
The rule that deals with attachements is as
follows:
02. DO NOT send posts with File Attachments to the list.
Some
Email programs like to attach files with Rich Text
Format
or HTML code in them to provide features like
different
font styles, etc. Please DISABLE this function
of your
Email program. When posting photo attachments,
please keep
the size down to around 30K and limit yourself
to two (2)
pictures. If you have several images of
interest to the
entire list, either put them on a web page
or ask if anyone
on the list has web space where you may
put them up.
What they mean by attachments is where the body of the
message
appears twice within one email (both as plain text, and then
again
in HTML/RTF format). There are a number of Mail Clients
that do this -
many (if not all) can be configured to not do
it. This is my
interpretation of the rule...
Cheers,
Kevin.
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Date:
Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:08:32 EST
From: PFloyd91@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: List
Question
In a message dated 2/25/99 5:32:50 PM Central Standard
Time,
cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com
writes:
<< What I'm wondering, though, is if
you're
a member of starnet or dragnet? >>
No I'm not --- I was
going to ask around VIA PRIVATE EMAIL
about the starnet list, as every time I
try Starnet, all I get is their
home page and none of their newsgroup info.
---
Believe me, I drive a lot better than I've been operating this
keyboard
this afternoon!!!
John
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Date:
Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:04:05 EST
From: PFloyd91@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: List
Question
In a message dated 2/25/99 5:12:21 PM Central Standard Time, PFloyd91@aol.com
writes:
<<
I just want to run something by you --- I really enjoy the
Team3S
list, however so much of it is soooo technical that it's way
over my
head, at least for now. >>
MY
APOLOGIES ----
That wasn't supposed to go to the list --- I committed
the
first sin of Internet Stupidity -- not checking my address.
Oh Boy
--- am I sorry, no excuses --- just apologies!
John
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Date:
Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:34:31 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: List Question
Hi John;
You
wrote:
>
>
> MY APOLOGIES ----
>
> That wasn't
supposed to go to the list --- I committed the
> first sin of Internet
Stupidity -- not checking my address.
>
> Oh Boy --- am I sorry, no
excuses --- just apologies!
>
SALRIGTH! Chris addressed your
concerns and hopefully it will assist your decision
making. As far as
mistakes go...we all make them, and possibly we all should have
a
public flub in our repertoire to keep us humble. :
)
Best
Darc
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Date:
Thu, 25 Feb 1999 20:43:08 -0500
From: Joshua <joshua@princelaw.com>
Subject:
Team3S: trying to place 17x7.5 rims on a 94 vr-4
I need your guys
help. I have a set of Niche Prima 17x7.5 Chrome rims and I
really love
their look and I want to put them on. Has anybody used
wheel
spacers? Any opinions? Any other ways I could do it?
I assume I will have
to use a higher profile tire on the 17" rim to make up
for the 18" ? Thanks
for any info...
Joshua
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Date:
Thu, 25 Feb 1999 18:17:52 -0800
From: Roger Gerl <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Crankcase ventilation
> For those without the "grooved
cylinder mod", Cusco makes a catch can
> that is
effective. The catch can preserves this while removing
most
> of the oil from the charge air. The only source that I know
of is a
> place that I will never spend another penny,
cough...Alamo
> Arlington...choke...so that's why I don't own
one.
Summit and Jegs both do have a nice catch can from "Be Cool" but
cost is around $80 satin and $100
polished. RRE in CA also has one for $60,
but dunno the finish yet.
Regards,
Roger
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Date:
Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:36:36 -0700
From: Andrew Brilliant <andrewb@infowest.com>
Subject:
Team3S: This is the worst tranny story I've ever heard I need help
fast!!
I just dropped a larg piece from my car with the words GETRAG on
it the
piece is about 3.5" across. Mitsu finished putting in a new
clutch for
the second time after the first one had to be replaced under
warranty as
it was desroyed after 2800 Miles. They blamed it on a leaky
Master
cylinder, which I then paid them to replace, as well as the
slave. is
circular (what's left of it) and has what looked like they
used to be
teeth in sets of two 1cm apart, and about 1.5" between the
sets. The
piece has been literally ground apart. It is cracked,
and there is
about 68% of it left. It has 2 notches on oposite sides
about 3/4 cm
across. It has been sheered off so I don't know If it was
a cover for
something or a complete piece. One side looks as if it were
facing the
engine compartment, and it says GETRAG. The car had been
whining a
little after I got it back. The noise seemed to be speed
dependant, not
RPM. Any ideas what this is, I am leaving the car where
it is till the
morning, when I, can have them look at it. I just had to
pay for a new
clutch 1 mo ago, and $500 for the new master and slave. I
am moving
tomorrow. So my funds are at $0. My syncro's were on
their way, but
what is this?? I've never heard anything this bad in all my
days of POS
cars.
- --
Andrew Brilliant
Senior Progammer/Team
Council
Internet Database Development Team
Attitude Ink, Inc.
http://www.attitudeink.com/
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of the week
"No sense being pessimistic, it probably wouldn't work
anyway"
"Boldly going nowhere"
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Date:
Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:39:02 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: This is the worst tranny story I've ever heard I need help
fast!!
Andrew;
Sounds you're going to have a bad case of the
Getrag blues. The noise could be a number
of things given that half your car
fell off, but I'd definately not move it until I
checked the tranny and
transfer case fluid levels (that is if they still can hold
fluid). Those more
experienced with Getrag problems will likely be responding as I
write, but my
advice is to try and implicate the dealership with this problem as part of
an
improper clutch instalation (ie they forgot to tighten something and this was
the
chain reaction result ). Hopefully more experienced "Getrag blues"
members can pitch in
with some advise. Your funds are moving in the wrong
direction for this to be happening
to you dude. Good luck and hopefully
you'll get some good advise. You are at least in
the best 3S forum available,
to seek this advise.
Best
Darc
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Date:
Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:55:06 -0500
From: Bryan Schwieg <schwieg@ibm.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
EGR
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Yes,
nothing. It should keep the intake air cooler. Just block it off with a metal
gasket.
Bryan
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Team3S: EGR
Has anyone disconnected their EGR? What did it affect?
Mike
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Date:
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From: Bryan Schwieg <schwieg@ibm.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
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Yes, a '92 tt. Love it. Will show you anything the ecu
can see. Will =
track whatever you want as you run the car. Can save multiple
runs and =
review later, invaluable for tuning or diagnost problems. Can
display =
codes and clear them.
Best $300 you'll spend.
Bryan
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Is anyone using this in a 91-93 VR4 ? If so what is
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Date:
Thu, 25 Feb 1999 23:40:59 -0500
From: Jason Barnhart <phnxgld@erols.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Re: Cockpit adjustable aftermarket struts???
Ken Middaugh
wrote:
> Jason,
>
> I just bought a set of 4 ECS struts
(have 90K on originals) for my '91
> VR4 for $542 from Tallahassee
Mitsu. Of course I have to install them
> myself or pay someone for
the installation, and pay for an alignment.
> As you can see, dealer
prices are double! Buy the parts yourself and
> shop around for
labor.
Ken,
Wow, thanks! I didn't think they were
THAT bad, sheesh. I like the sound of that alot,
but I'm still kinda
curious about aftermarket struts that you can adjust from inside
the
cabin. I'm sure this isn't some alien technology, shouldn't be too
difficult to make, for a
strut manufacturer anyway.
Anyone know of
any such aftermarket parts?
thanks,
Jason
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Date:
Thu, 25 Feb 1999 23:44:10 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: This is the worst tranny story I've ever heard I need help
fast!!
Sorry to hear about your problems.
I've had two Getrash
trashfer cases seize up. On one, the side of the
gear housing blew
out. It was about two inches in diameter and had
the word Getrash on
it. Now, I have the UPGRADED trashfer case + a
new Getrash
trashaxle. The trashaxle has been rebuilt with new
synchros and a few
other things it needed. Seems to be fine for the
moment, but it's a
question of time before it starts to shake, rattle
and roll over
again.
Bob
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On
Behalf Of
> wce@bc.sympatico.ca
> Sent:
Thursday, February 25, 1999 10:39 PM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
Subject: Re: Team3S: This is the worst tranny story I've
> ever heard
I
> need help fast!!
>
>
> Andrew;
>
>
Sounds you're going to have a bad case of the Getrag blues.
> The noise
could be a number
> of things given that half your car fell off, but
I'd
> definately not move it until I
> checked the tranny and
transfer case fluid levels (that is
> if they still can hold
>
fluid). Those more experienced with Getrag problems will
> likely be
responding as I
> write, but my advice is to try and implicate the
dealership
> with this problem as part of
> an improper clutch
instalation (ie they forgot to tighten
> something and this was
the
> chain reaction result ). Hopefully more experienced
> "Getrag
blues" members can pitch in
> with some advise. Your funds are moving in
the wrong
> direction for this to be happening
> to you dude. Good
luck and hopefully you'll get some good
> advise. You are at least
in
> the best 3S forum available, to seek this
advise.
>
> Best
>
>
Darc
>
>
>
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Date:
Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:51:22 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Re: Cockpit adjustable aftermarket struts???
I have checked into this
from time to time. Although some replacement
struts are available for
TEMS (Toyota's equivalent system) none are
available for the 3/S.
I
settled on GABs and feel it is the single best upgrade I have done to
the
car. They replaced brand new ECS struts (sorry, sold them already)
and the
difference is nothing short of amazing. I really wanted to keep
the ECS too
but since I tended to leave it in Sport mode all the time anyway
figured I
wouldn't miss it, and I don't.
BTW, the ECS stiffens the
suspension on rough roads and over potholes and
softens it on smooth roads
which is contrary to what I believe you may have
presumed from an earlier
message.
Regards,
Barry
> -----Original
Message-----
>
> Ken Middaugh wrote:
>
> >
Jason,
> >
> > I just bought a set of 4 ECS struts (have 90K
on originals) for my '91
> > VR4 for $542 from Tallahassee Mitsu.
Of course I have to install them
> > myself or pay someone for the
installation, and pay for an alignment.
> > As you can see, dealer
prices are double! Buy the parts yourself and
> > shop around for
labor.
>
> Ken,
> Wow, thanks! I
didn't think they were THAT bad, sheesh. I
> like the sound of that
alot,
> but I'm still kinda curious about aftermarket struts that you
can
> adjust from inside the
> cabin. I'm sure this isn't some
alien technology, shouldn't be
> too difficult to make, for a
>
strut manufacturer anyway.
>
> Anyone know of any such
aftermarket parts?
>
> thanks,
> Jason
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Date:
Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:01:14 -0500
From: Jason Barnhart <phnxgld@erols.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Stumbling no more
Well, I just drove home after installing my
Accel wires and NGK plugs. I don't think
my car has ever run so well,
perfectly smooth, and very strong. I gutted my 3 cats this
weekend, and
I love the difference. It's loud, and faster, but just louder would
have
made me happy. I turned onto a backroad close to my house, the
roads were kinda wet. I
was going straight, about 10mph and punched
it. After the turbos spooled, I actually
experienced a little
wheel hop till I let off the gas, I can't wait to race again!
Many
thanks to Mike Mahaffey for not only supplying the plugs and wires, but also
giving
me a big hand installing them.
Jason
94 VR4 "I
HERTZM"
p.s. please excuse any typos, didn't have alot of empty computers
at work, this one
sucks alot.
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Date:
Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:08:06 -0500
From: Jason Barnhart <phnxgld@erols.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Re: Cockpit adjustable aftermarket struts???
"Barry E. King"
wrote:
> I have checked into this from time to time. Although
some replacement
> struts are available for TEMS (Toyota's equivalent
system) none are
> available for the 3/S.
>
> I settled on
GABs and feel it is the single best upgrade I have done to the
>
car. They replaced brand new ECS struts (sorry, sold them already) and
the
> difference is nothing short of amazing. I really wanted to
keep the ECS too
> but since I tended to leave it in Sport mode all the
time anyway figured I
> wouldn't miss it, and I don't.
>
>
BTW, the ECS stiffens the suspension on rough roads and over potholes
and
> softens it on smooth roads which is contrary to what I believe you
may have
> presumed from an earlier message.
>
>
Regards,
>
> Barry
Ack! I normally ride around
in sport also, but the roads around here can really suck
sometimes.
There has been many times I switched to tour before smacking a bump
which
was alot softer than sport. Tour is active and can be just as
stiff as sport during
certain driving conditions, but sport is not active,
just as stiff as it'll get, right?
I beleive that most of these bumps were on
mostly smooth roads, and sudden enough that
the strut may not have had time
to stiffen much.
appreciate the info,
Jason
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Date:
Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:13:44 -0500
From: Ron Thompson <rtetetet@earthlink.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Wheel problem
The rim is rusted to the hub. This happened to
me on my 91 Eclipse. It
is a real fight to get it loose. I finally put the
lugs on part way
and drove it around my street. With the alloy wheels you
might try
heating the center with a torch and then hit it with WD40 or
other
penetrating oil. The temp change usually pops it
loose.
Ron
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Date:
Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:41:35 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Re: Cockpit adjustable aftermarket struts???
> Ack!
I normally ride around in sport also, but the roads
> around here can
really suck sometimes. There has been many
> times I switched
to tour before smacking a bump which
> was alot softer than
sport. Tour is active and can be just as
> stiff as sport
during
> certain driving conditions, but sport is not active, just
as
> stiff as it'll get, right?
Yeah. Tour will move fro
msoftest to hardest as required. Over potholes
though it is supposed to
go full hard but perhaps it is after a numbe of
jolts over a short period of
time.
> I beleive that most of these bumps were on mostly smooth
roads,
> and sudden enough that the strut may not have had time to stiffen
much.
That is quite possible. I can't recall the precise order that
things happen
with ECS. I read an excellent detailed description on a
Mistu web site
somewhere but now can't locate it. The description may
be in the service
manual as well. Mine is at the engine builder's shop
so I can't check it.
Maybe someone else can enlighten us all.
The
other nice thing about ECS is the anti-dive feature, but that is
addressed
with proper struts and springs anyway at the cost of the plush
ride of course
that Tour mode typically offers. I think ECS is great but I
will never
go back to it. GABs rule.
> appreciate the info,
>
Jason
Barry
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Date:
Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:04:16 -0700
From: "james berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Re: Cockpit adjustable aftermarket struts???
>> I beleive that most
of these bumps were on mostly smooth roads,
>> and sudden enough that
the strut may not have had time to stiffen much.
>
>That is quite
possible. I can't recall the precise order that
things
happen
>with ECS. I read an excellent detailed description
on a Mistu web site
>somewhere but now can't locate it. The
description may be in the service
>manual as well. Mine is at the
engine builder's shop so I can't check it.
>Maybe someone else can
enlighten us all.
appreciate the info,
>> Jason
>
>Page
2B-16,17 &18 of the shop manual have troubleshooting info on the ECS.
One
of the tests is to simulate pitching and bouncing by shaking the G meter
at a
one cycle per second rate. The suspension should go from soft to hard,
or no
change if you are already in sport mode. I would assume that a single
bump or
pothole [we don't allow potholes in California :-) ] would not
activate any
changes in time to make a difference.
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Date:
Fri, 26 Feb 1999 02:20:13 EST
From: PFloyd91@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: List
Question
In a message dated 2/25/99 5:26:01 PM Central Standard
Time,
Kevin.Clark@hnz.co.nz
writes:
<< What they mean by attachments is where the body of the
message
appears twice within one email >>
So, in other
words, if I want a clarification of exactly what vintage the
Mitsubisihi
chrome wheels I have on my 3000 are, (I'm getting
different stories from the
non-Mitsubishi dealer I bought my '95 from,
and the local Mitsubishi dealer
where I get the car serviced), I could
attach a jpeg file to email to the
list, get an identification, then I would
know how to pursue the issue of
getting the chrome plating that is
flaking off, fixed??? (How's that
for a run-on sentence?)
Advice please?
TIA,
John
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Date:
Fri, 26 Feb 1999 06:44:08 -0700
From: "Tracy, Austin" <austin.tracy@rez.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: trying to place 17x7.5 rims on a 94 vr-4
Joshua,
In my
experience, I suggest wheel spacers only for short time use where they
are
needed to fit a rim or tire that would not otherwise fit. Such
as
Autocrosses where tires are only available in a size that slightly rubs
the
strut housing. for street use though I suggest to stay as far away
from
wheel spacers as possible. no matter how much you tighten the lug
nuts, the
wheel will still rub slightly against the wheel spacer, and the
wheel spacer
will rub slightly on the hub. This will alow a slight
rotation of the rim
in relation to the hub that will put strain on the lug
studs. Also, I don't
like the idea of my lug nut being further out on
the stud than totally
neccissary.
my suggestion is to get a set of
rims with the correct offset.
Austin T
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Joshua [mailto:joshua@princelaw.com]
>
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 1999 6:43 PM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
Subject: Team3S: trying to place 17x7.5 rims on a 94 vr-4
>
>
> I need your guys help. I have a set of Niche Prima 17x7.5
> Chrome rims and I
> really love their look and I want to put them
on. Has
> anybody used wheel
> spacers? Any
opinions? Any other ways I could do it? I
> assume I will
have
> to use a higher profile tire on the 17" rim to make up for
>
the 18" ? Thanks
> for any info...
> Joshua
>
>
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Date:
Fri, 26 Feb 1999 07:35:47 -0700
From: Andrew Brilliant <andrewb@infowest.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Front wheel drive VR-4: was-- This is the worst.....
The problem
is I really _need_ my car right now. Can I have them just unbolt the
damn
thing, and drive FWD for a week till I can get my 95 VR-4??
Bob
Fontana wrote:
> Sorry to hear about your problems.
>
>
I've had two Getrash trashfer cases seize up. On one, the side of
the
> gear housing blew out. It was about two inches in diameter and
had
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Date:
Fri, 26 Feb 1999 07:20:25 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: trying to place 17x7.5 rims on a 94 vr-4
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Joshua [mailto:joshua@princelaw.com]
Sent:
Thursday, February 25, 1999 5:43 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Team3S: trying to place 17x7.5 rims on a 94 vr-4
I need your guys
help. I have a set of Niche Prima 17x7.5 Chrome rims and I
really love
their look and I want to put them on. Has anybody used
wheel
spacers? Any opinions? Any other ways I could do it?
I assume I will have
to use a higher profile tire on the 17" rim to make up
for the 18" ? Thanks
for any
info...
Joshua
=================================
Joshua...
Generally
accepted advice is "no spacers". You'll have slippage between the
hub and the
rim, as most spacers are "universal" with slots in them and you
lose valuable
threads on the studs. One mechanic I know says spacers are
fine if, a)
they're custom made to fit the stud (no play around the stud),
and b) they
leave at least 1" of thread engagement (would probably mean
3/16" to 1/4"
max). Risky business if you're running high speeds, similar to
driving with
plugs in your tires. The best approach is to find a rim with a
40mm or 45mm
offset (the standard is 36mm).
One question: what width tire would you
run on a 7.5" rim? Since the stock
18" rims are 8.5", it seems you'll have to
run a pretty narrow tire (195mm?
205mm?) for a proper fit.
Looking
forward...Chris
1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4 (w/HKS Super Flo intake, HKS
SBOV, Predator dry
cell battery, bored and polished throttle body, Magnecore
8.5mm wires, HKS
double platinum plugs gapped at .034", GReddy PRofec A boost
controller,
GReddy turbo timer, ATR downpipe and test pipe, GReddy catback
exhaust,
Eibach 1" drop progressive springs)
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Date:
Fri, 26 Feb 1999 07:48:28 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: List Question
- -----Original Message-----
From: PFloyd91@aol.com [mailto:PFloyd91@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday,
February 25, 1999 11:20 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Re: Team3S: List Question
In a message dated 2/25/99 5:26:01 PM Central
Standard Time,
Kevin.Clark@hnz.co.nz
writes:
<< What they mean by attachments is where the body of the
message
appears twice within one email >>
So, in other
words, if I want a clarification of exactly what vintage the
Mitsubisihi
chrome wheels I have on my 3000 are, (I'm getting
different stories from the
non-Mitsubishi dealer I bought my '95 from,
and the local Mitsubishi dealer
where I get the car serviced), I could
attach a jpeg file to email to the
list, get an identification, then I would
know how to pursue the issue of
getting the chrome plating that is
flaking off, fixed??? (How's that
for a run-on sentence?)
Advice please? TIA,
John
==========================================
John...
We
discourage attachments of any sort (repeated text file as Kevin
indicated
and/or pictures), they consume valuable space and processing speed.
As Kevin
pointed out, we will tolerate limited posting on small pictures
(under 30K)
but recommend that people post their pictures to their own
websites and
direct others to that site.
In some cases, only a picture
will tell the true story, and can be worth a
thousand words. I'm not sure
what you're trying to accomplish, identify that
the rims on your car are
Mitsubishi rims? Or if the chrome plating can be
repaired (versus replacing
the rim)? If it's the former, I think a small
picture is fine. If it's the
latter, I don't think seeing a picture will
help (but there are a couple
shops that claim they can "repair" chrome
wheels).
At any rate,
without wasting any more bandwidth, what we ask is that
listmembers use
common sense. No one has been removed for a single violation
of anything. We
(the Admins) have discussions offline, we send private
e-mails to the person
in question. After a lengthy period of time (some
might say too lengthy), if
a situation continues, we make the decision to
remove someone.
I hope
this helps, if you want more advice, e-mail me (or the other Admins)
offline.
We can be reached at:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com,
or
you may reach us individually at:
BOB Forrest, San Francisco, CA,
USA bf@bobforrest.com
CHRIS
Winkley, Portland, OR, USA cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com
DARCY
Gunnlaugson, Victoria, B.C., CANADA wce@bc.sympatico.ca
JIM Matthews,
Wiesbaden, GERMANY matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de
MIKAEL
Akesson, Stockholm, SWEDEN vr4@bahnhof.se
RICH Leroy, Ridgefield, WA,
USA rleroy@pacifier.com
ROGER
Gerl, Zurich, SWITZERLAND robby@swissonline.ch
For the
Admins...Chris Winkley
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Date:
Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:14:20 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: trying to place 17x7.5 rims on a 94 vr-4
At 06:44 AM 2/26/99
-0700, Austin wrote:
>
>In my experience, I suggest wheel spacers
only for short time use where they
>are needed to fit a rim or tire that
would not otherwise fit.
I echo Austin's recommendation.
I've
seen two cars get bent by using wheel spacers:
One was a Corvette on an
autocross. The right rear wheel broke a stud, then
folded under.
This, of
course, split the right rear quarter panel open and broke the
right rear
suspension.
The other was a Porsche 911 at a PCA driver's school. Again,
the studs
broke, the wheel came loose, and the 911 rolled over at speed for
a
complete total.
I wouldn't use spacers for anything more exciting
than a car show.
Rich/old poop/94 VR4
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Date:
Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:23:55 EST
From: PFloyd91@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Wheels
(Again)
In a message dated 2/26/99 9:49:27 AM Central Standard
Time,
cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com
writes:
<< I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish, identify
that
the rims on your car are Mitsubishi rims? Or if the chrome plating
can be
repaired (versus replacing the rim)? >>
Thanks for
the clarification, and for the List Admins names, etc.
My intent in all
of this is to correctly determine how old the wheels
are (as none of the
dealers will commit to answering that),
so that I can investigate any
warranty information, to see if the
dealers might be bound to pick up the
"responsibility" to correct
the situation. I know that they are Mitsubishi
wheels -- I just want
to see how old they are, then start the process of
getting them fixed.
This really is a minor problem and not worth all of
the bandwidth I've
used up on it -- so my apologies for that --- OTOH -- I
appreciate
all of the help, and I've learned a lot about the Team3S
List
"mechanics" --
thanks again,
John
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Date:
Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:54:12 -0500
From: "Dennis Moore" <stealth@kiva.net>
Subject: Team3S:
Identify Them Wheels
Hi All,
I've set up a pic of John's wheels at
my website. Here's a brief blurb on
his
question:
**************************
My intent in all of this is to
correctly determine how old the wheels
are (as none of the dealers will
commit to answering that),
so that I can investigate any warranty
information, to see if the
dealers might be bound to pick up the
"responsibility" to correct
the situation. I know that they are Mitsubishi
wheels -- I just want
to see how old they are, then start the process of
getting them fixed.
************************
Please go to http://www.kiva.net/~stealth/wheelhelp.htm
and see if you can
help out.
Dennis Moore
stealth@kiva.net
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Date:
Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:54:10 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Wheels (Again)
John;
I can only speak to the Stealth line
in Canada, where the chrome wheels were first
introduced with the 94's.
Prior to that they were magnesium colored (silver colored).
From that
point on people began retrofitting first generation with these or
going
aftermarket to get the chrome look. Hope this gives you some idea
of the age.
Best
Darc
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Date:
Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:57:29 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Stumbling no more
Jason Barnhart
wrote:
Snip
> Many thanks to Mike Mahaffey for not only
supplying the plugs and wires, but also giving
> me a big hand installing
them.
>
This kind of help ( in person, as exemplified by
Mike, or in cyberspace, as with a legion
of you ), is why this group is
absolutely unequalled... in both spirit, and in 3S
technological
expertise/advise. Damned proud to know you all, and to be part of
it.
Best
Darc
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Date:
Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:25:29 -0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Front wheel drive VR-4: was-- This is the
worst.....
NO! You will also burn up your
transmission.
Unfortunately it causes damage to the "center differential"
inside the
transmission.
I have a good small spline transfer case that
I need to get rid of, if you
or anyone needs it.
> Brad
Member of
ESSC since 1999>
> Check out my home page: http://lonestar.texas.net/~bbedell
>
E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com
ICQ# 3612682
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]
On Behalf Of Andrew Brilliant
Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 8:36 AM
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Team3S: Front wheel drive VR-4: was-- This is the worst.....
The problem
is I really _need_ my car right now. Can I have them just
unbolt the
damn
thing, and drive FWD for a week till I can get my 95 VR-4??
Bob
Fontana wrote:
> Sorry to hear about your problems.
>
>
I've had two Getrash trashfer cases seize up. On one, the side of
the
> gear housing blew out. It was about two inches in diameter and
had
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Date:
Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:25:28 -0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Re: Cockpit adjustable aftermarket struts???/springs
On a
different note.
When I installed my RSR springs in the car, I felt that
the ride was quite a
bit softer. I confirmed this when I put Eibach
springs in my car.
Physically the Eibach springs appear to be about 30%
larger in diameter than
the RSR lowering springs.
I also noticed improved
handling over the RSR springs. In short, if you
want a soft ride, which
tends to be too soft, get the RSR springs. I am
happy with the Eibach
for now (as the car doesn't move much)
I also agree that a set of GAB's
and adjustable springs would be the way to
go.
> Brad
Member of
ESSC since 1999>
> Check out my home page: http://lonestar.texas.net/~bbedell
>
E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com
ICQ# 3612682
The other nice thing about ECS is the anti-dive
feature, but that is
addressed with proper struts and springs anyway at the
cost of the plush
ride of course that Tour mode typically offers. I
think ECS is great but I
will never go back to it. GABs
rule.
> appreciate the info,
> Jason
Barry
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Date:
Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:22:55 -0800
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: Tire
Size for Rims WAS: RE: Team3S: trying to place 17x7.5 rims on a 94
vr-4
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Winkley [mailto:cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com]
>
Subject: RE: Team3S: trying to place 17x7.5 rims on a 94 vr-4
>
>
One question: what width tire would you run on a 7.5" rim?
> Since the
stock
> 18" rims are 8.5", it seems you'll have to run a pretty
>
narrow tire (195mm?
> 205mm?) for a proper fit.
Hey guys,
Chris's question got me thinking (I know, I know, that's bad...last
time,
I promise I'll stop this thinking thing:) I estimate that I
have
exactly 11.567 days left until my tires start showing the wear bars
(2/32").
Thus I'm gonna need new tires fairly soon. I've got the
factory rims from
the 95 base 3k (7-spoke magnesium colored) and they come
stock with
225-55-HR16 tires. I believe the rims are 16x8's What
I'm wondering is can
I reliably fit 245-50-ZR16's on there? I know the
speedo won't be messed
up, and I'd think the wider tread would give me better
traction. I need all
the traction I can get since mine's FWD and I
already can't stand on it in
1st before I'm going 10-15mph without smoking my
tires. Will my handling
suffer (in which case I won't do
it)? Here's the issues I can see- please
comment/add stuff where
necessary:
Pros:
- - more tread = better traction
- - if the ZR
sidewall holds as well or better than the HR ones,
handling could remain the
same or improve
- - more "bulgy" sidewall may provide additional protection
for
the rims during parallel parking:)
- - only $5-20 difference in tire
cost between 225's and 245's
Cons:
- - if sidewall is stressed too
much by having an 8" rim for 245 tires,
handling could get worse
- - tire
rubbing struts/suspension parts (don't think this is an
issue with
245's, right?)
- - tires could stick our from the wheelwell and look like a
rice car
Ok, guys, so in your opinions, is going from 225-55-HR16's
to 245-50-ZR16's
on the factory 16x8 rims a good idea- will it give me better
traction and
not cost handling? Or would I be better off getting
225-55-ZR16's. New
rims aren't an option for my budget:(
-
--Erik
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Date:
Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:43:58 PST
From: "Vineet Singh" <billi_gates@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Who am I - CD-Guy
Hello 3/S people,
A few people have
asked, "who is that masked CD man?", so I will just
give you a little
background. (This turned out to be quite long, just
warning you :)
I
started out on ClubDSM about 3.5 years ago. I was in search of a new
turbo
for my car. I was amazed at the participation level of other club
members,
more than I had ever thought possible. All of them were quite
helpful. Many
sold IC piping, test pipes, turbo rebuilds, homemade A/F
gauges, MBC's, and
other various USEFUL products.
I never thought "I" would make one. One
day someone said that they will
no longer be able to buy the "$2" DSM
Technical Manual (now included on
both CD's). This was kind of a loss for
all newcomers. I decided to take
my copy (xeroxed by someone on the list and
sold to people for $20.00)
and HAND SCAN all the pages in. Sure, 200 or so
pages is no big deal,
you could get it done in a week. I got to thinking...
hmmm... What about
the 91 eagle talon manual? Or more?
I searched for
an auto-doc feeding scanner, and found one that was in my
price range
(400$). It wasn't the best, but it got the job done in a
way. You would have
to sit and watch EVERY page go through to see if it
was getting jammed, or
sticking to another (which would skip a page, and
then when you reversed all
the pages, you would be out of order!)
It was a parallel port thing, and
it was SLOW, and quite loud. I finally
scanned in about 7,000 pages front
and back, (yes, I had to replace the
upper portion of the scanner after
that... so many papers had gone
through that it was scratched and worn out
in 3 weeks!) I then put all
the images onto 4 CD's. That was much too much
to be useful to anyone. I
then took the images and put them through Adobe
Capture 2.01. This is
REALLY BUGGY, but NEAT SOFTWARE.
I bought a
second computer to do some "parallel processing" of pages, as
it took a VERY
long time to OCR/INDEX/PDF these images (300dpi). BTW,
Adobe recommends
(NOW), that you only OCR/PDF 100 pages at a time due to
a memory leak... NOW
they tell me. I learned the hard way, and couldn't
figure out why it would
"GPF" on me. About 4 weeks later, I had PDF
documents of each manual of the
DSM line, that was significantly
different. I indexed them, optimized them,
and found that they just fit
onto a single CDROM. There was the first DSM
BMCD. Yay!
I expected to sell 50-70 of them, and I did... Then Todd Day
(ClubDSM
moderator) told everyone how wonderful it was... I couldn't burn em
fast
enough. I had to get them mastered from a shop in CA. NOW the CD
doesn't
sell all that much, and I am stuck with a lot of them, you win some
you
lose some :)
I sold the scanner to a friend, and never wanted to
do something like
this again. A few weeks later, Zack, and Zack (cousins,
one is the one
on this list :) asked me to make one for the 3/S cars. I was
not really
interested, but they kept bugging me. What was I to do? :)
I told him, if he could procure the manuals, then I would do it. A few
days later, he has more manuals than I thought I wanted to scan. Another
person mailed me some, and then another mailed me DUPLICATES. (don't
worry Shawn, I still have your manuals, they are not unbound, but you
will still get a free CD).
I got them professionally unbound, bought
a $600 ADF HP scanner (not the
best... this one has PROBLEMS to say the
least, in terms of
compatibility). The IMAGE quality is a par higher than
the older scanner
I used, and since this one was USB, the scanning part went
faster.
I scanned a whole bunch of manuals in and it felt like deja-vu. 4
weeks
later (2/20/98) I had the first beta 3/S CD made. Copied it, and sent
it
to 4 people to test out, and came back with a bunch of
errors/changes/incompatibilities (unix).
Changed all directories to
UPPERCASE, and 8.3 Filenames, and that made
it fully cross platform. Made a
gui menu system for win95-nt systems to
make it really easy to use, and then
tested again. There was still some
space left, so I added www.3si.org and 3000gt.com (with permission) to
it. Now you can see the websites, and see all the mods w/o being online
(of course the CD version will remain "static" and you will have to see
the updates online, and it tells you that).
I now have a product that
I am even more proud of than the DSM CD.
(don't tell ClubDSM that :). In
order to pay for the time and equipment
invested in this cd, I would need to
sell about 90 of these @ $35.00us.
That's the same price as the DSM CD. If
you want to buy BOTH the DSM CD
AND the 3/S CD, you can pay $50 and get
them.
The special pricing is not really available through credit card
ordering
(I will try to see if I can get Rob @ Mofugas to put a dual CD
order for
$50 somewhere).
Well, that's who I am, and just to clear up
any misunderstandings, I am
not here because it was MY idea, I am here
because some of you asked. So
please don't blame me for "trying to make a
profit off the 3/S Club".
Comments like that kinda make me mad. I invested a
lot of time
(200+hr's) into these CD's, and yes, I would like to recoup some
of
that. (I haven't been to work in the last week at all, since I was
testing/burning this CD, that's a $500 loss in itself!)
If you need
more info / screen shots, or want to order, please follow
the link below.
Thanks again, hope to talk to you all soon.
Vineet Singh - AKA
CD-guy
DSM & 3/S Manuals on CD - http://manualcd.dsm.org
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Date:
Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:00:39 PST
From: "Vineet Singh" <billi_gates@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Correction... Sorry
Sorry, I couldn't change the email before I
sent it. I said that buying
the 3/S CD & the DSM cd is only $50.00.
That's incorrect, it is $60.00.
Mistake on my part, I looked on the www
page, and $60.00 is what is has
always been for two CD's. Thanks for
understanding!
Vineet Singh
DSM & 3/S Manuals on CD - http://manualcd.dsm.org
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Date:
Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:08:18 -0800
From: Roger Gerl <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: 3/S CD (was: Who am I - ..)
Vineet,
Thank you very much
for your huge work on the scans ! Unfortunately, I doubt that you also
scanned
in the european or japanese version of the cars, but let me know much
space is left on the CD and I
can add the important pages. Also I will get
the full 4 Mitsubishi manuals when I'm back in
Switzerland, including the AWD
sepcific things. I currently don't know if your CD covers this part
but I'll
check this out then :)
In my point of view, $35 for the CD is a good
price and for sure you'll get my order immediately !
Thanks
again,
Roger, Switzerland
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Date:
Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:16:18 -0800
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: 3/S CD (was: Who am I - ..)
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Roger Gerl [mailto:robby@swissonline.ch]
>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 3/S CD (was: Who am I - ..)
>
>
>
Vineet,
>
> Thank you very much for your huge work on the scans !
I'll second that! Just placed my order on the web page using
the secure
server credit card form. Went flawlessly AFAIK. One
note though: if you
select 2 CDs, the price comes to $70, not $60.
Doesn't affect me, but just
thought you should know.
Thanks a
lot! (...no more oil/dirt on my manuals:)
- --Erik
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Erik
Gross
DuPont, WA
'95 Pearl White 3000GT 49k mi - resonatorless + bald tire mod
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Date:
Fri, 26 Feb 1999 16:08:33 -0700
From: Ricardo Cousar <rcousar@uswest.com>
Subject: Team3S:
CPU
1. Is it possible to interchange, CPU from first gen to second gen?
If
so, what changes would have to be made to receive accurate data from
the
CPU?
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Date:
Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:15:52 -0500
From: RPM Motorsports <rpmmotorsport@adelphia.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: CPU
The wiring harness on the first and 2nd generation ECU's
are different.
If I remember correctly the first generation used a 3 plug ECU
while the
2nd Gen used a 4 Plug ECU. What could be done is an entire wire
harness
swap on a 2nd Generation block to a 1st Generation Wire harness,
this
would allow you to utilize the VPC and such.
I've heard rumors
that it MIGHT (BIG MIGHT HERE) possible to swap a 94
ECU into 95+ to get
around OBDII, but I've yet to see someone attempt
this.
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