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Team3S Digest       Wednesday, February 24 1999       Volume 01 : Number 109




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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:08:57 EST
From: Dskull@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Data Logger

Is anyone using this in a 91-93 VR4 ? If so what is your opinion of the unit?

Dave - 93 VR4
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:37:49 -0800
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: Team3S: K&N Oil Filters

Hey Guys,
Just wanted to pass along some information(for those of you who
actually read Starnet, please forgive the repetition):  K&N now makes what
appears to be a pretty darn good oil filter for out cars.  It has the
anti-drainback valve that the OEM filter has, too.  If you're in the PNW
(US), Schucks Auto Parts carries them.  $9.95 or something like that.  Just
grabbed one yesterday, and it's a hell of a lot heavier than the other
filters I've see for out cars.  And it has a 1" nut on the end, so no more
oil filter wrenches (or those darn self-tightening ones that I can't get to
even grip on my 3000), you just pop your 1" socket on your wrench and twist
away!  Of course anyone who puts the filter ON with a socket wrench should
be dragged into the street and shot ;)  Now if we can just get them to
include the crush washer for the drainplug in with the filter...

- --Erik
- ------                                             ----------
Erik Gross                                         DuPont, WA
'95 Pearl White 3000GT 49k mi - resonatorless + bald tire mod
- ------                                             ----------
"Scripture does not teach science, period. Genesis tells us
what happened in the archaic, pre-scientific idiom of the
ancient Hebrews. It does not tell us how it happened. We can
learn what we can about that "how" from science, always
keeping in mind that there can be no real conflict between
two very different orders of knowledge: science and theology."

         --George Sim Johnston   "The Pope and Evolution"
- -------------------------------------------------------------


<shamelessly ripped from John's post to Starnet yesterday>

K&N Introduces "PERFORMANCE GOLD OIL FILTERS"
1. Sturdy 1" wrench nut makes removal quick and easy.
2. Drilled safety wire holes for racing.
3. Metal leaf spring provides a positive seal between element and lid.
4. Heavy-duty construction provides over 550PSI hydrostatic burst strength.
5. Resin-impregnated filter media provides maximum filtering surface for
contaminant removal.
6. Inner core provides extra structural support to prevent filter collapse.
7. Anti- drain back valve eliminates dry starts, prevents oil from draining
back into the crankcase during engine shutdown.
8. Rolled threads provide extra protection against stripping.
9. Leak-proof double rolled seam.
10. Internally lubricated gasket provides seal while allowing easy on and
off of filter.
This is high performance filtration! Nothing gets better than K&N!
What makes K&N Better?
The K&N Performance Gold Oil Filter has been constructed from the ground up
to satisfy the needs of performance and racing car owners and drivers, as
well as the average vehicle owner who wants the very best oil filter
available.
Our oil filter's efficiency rating meets or exceeds the requirements of high
performance automotive engine builders. The heavy duty construction provides
over 550 PSI hydrostatic burst*, and helps reduce the risk of rock and stone
damage.
The real quality isn't just on the outside...the inner filter element traps
contaminants as small as 10 to 20 microns in size. We use metal top end caps
instead of paper to ensure that no unfiltered oil can get back into the
system. The solid construction allows for oil flow rates between 12-16 gpm
(depending on the filter size), and is unaffected by racing fuels.
All K&N Performance Gold Oil Filters are manufactured to exacting
engineering standards. The are covered by a limited warranty to be free from
defects in materials and workman ship when installed and replaced using
engine and equipment manufactures recommended service interval.
*based on HP-3001
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:20:31 -0500
From: William Lynn Larsen <wlarsen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: K&N Oil Filters

Does anyone know who, if anyone, carries K&N on the east coast. I am
especially interested in the anti-drainback valve as none of the usual
aftermarket filters seem to have this.

On subject of oil change, this is one of the things I love about the NA
cars: the filter and drain plug are so easily accessable.  I don't have
to lift the car or anything.  The only problem I had was a very sharp
edge on the frame rail just outboard of the filter.  The first time I
changed my oil I pulled out a very bloddy arm.  The edge was so sharp
that I didn't even feel it cutting me each time I turned on the filter.
Needless to say, the first time it went up on a rack, a file was taken
to it.

Regards,
Lynn
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:50:04 -0600
From: "Omar Malik" <ojm@iname.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: K&N Oil Filters

i originally found these filters at www.cyberauto.com. they're located in
florida. it's weird that K&N doesn't tell about them on their website. i've
also heard that other places like sears might have them.

omar


> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> [mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of William Lynn
> Larsen
> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 1:21 PM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Subject: Re: Team3S: K&N Oil Filters
>
>
> Does anyone know who, if anyone, carries K&N on the east coast. I am
> especially interested in the anti-drainback valve as none of the usual
> aftermarket filters seem to have this.
>
> On subject of oil change, this is one of the things I love about the NA
> cars: the filter and drain plug are so easily accessable.  I don't have
> to lift the car or anything.  The only problem I had was a very sharp
> edge on the frame rail just outboard of the filter.  The first time I
> changed my oil I pulled out a very bloddy arm.  The edge was so sharp
> that I didn't even feel it cutting me each time I turned on the filter.
> Needless to say, the first time it went up on a rack, a file was taken
> to it.
>
> Regards,
> Lynn
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:13:03 -0600
From: Trevor James <trevorlj@feist.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: K&N Oil Filters

The same company makes both the K&N and Mobil 1 oil filters.

Trevor
96 R/T TT (His)
91 R/T TT (Hers)

William Lynn Larsen wrote:

> Does anyone know who, if anyone, carries K&N on the east coast. I am
> especially interested in the anti-drainback valve as none of the usual
> aftermarket filters seem to have this.
>
> On subject of oil change, this is one of the things I love about the NA
> cars: the filter and drain plug are so easily accessable.  I don't have
> to lift the car or anything.  The only problem I had was a very sharp
> edge on the frame rail just outboard of the filter.  The first time I
> changed my oil I pulled out a very bloddy arm.  The edge was so sharp
> that I didn't even feel it cutting me each time I turned on the filter.
> Needless to say, the first time it went up on a rack, a file was taken
> to it.
>
> Regards,
> Lynn
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:12:59 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: Antifeeze

Hi Marc;

You wrote:

> What is the best product these days?  Is Prestone still a good choice???

I think it is the best choice... likely a lot of other brands are produced by them
anyway. Just be certain whatever you pick, that it has a statement that is compatible
with aluminium (it should say in medium to large letters on the front). Drain and change
every year or two, and you should not likely even need to flush.

Best

Darc


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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:29:07 -0800
From: Roger Gerl <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Team3S: Krankcase ventilation

As we know the ventilation goes into the intake part before the turbos to provide a closed system.
Due to the engine problem that caused too much krankcase pressure more oil than normal found the way
to the intake.

During the rebuild, some parts where cleaned but not as much as I expected and I still notice some
oil in the ventilation tubing. As I want to prevent that any oil should go to the intake in the
future I want to disconnect the ventilation and add a filter there.

I've done this already on the Z28 by blocking the hose off that lead into the intake and just added
a valve cover breather to it. This works well but will not on our cars due to the valves in the
ventilation system. Has anybody done this already ? I think it should work fine by just pulling the
hose that leads to the intake and plug it up with a small filter but what kind of filter should I
choose (I guess K&N has such a small one) and where can I get it from ?

Regards,
Roger (currently in CA)
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:10:08 -0500
From: "Bob Rand" <rtr@vnet.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Krankcase ventilation

Roger,  The Jegs catolog has quite a few filters for just this purpose.
I have a spare catolog if you want one.  email me with an address if you
need it.

Bob
93 Stealth TT
- -----Original Message-----
From: Roger Gerl <robby@swissonline.ch>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 6:29 PM
Subject: Team3S: Krankcase ventilation


>As we know the ventilation goes into the intake part before the turbos to
provide a closed system.
>Due to the engine problem that caused too much krankcase pressure more oil
than normal found the way
>to the intake.
>
>During the rebuild, some parts where cleaned but not as much as I expected
and I still notice some
>oil in the ventilation tubing. As I want to prevent that any oil should go
to the intake in the
>future I want to disconnect the ventilation and add a filter there.
>
>I've done this already on the Z28 by blocking the hose off that lead into
the intake and just added
>a valve cover breather to it. This works well but will not on our cars due
to the valves in the
>ventilation system. Has anybody done this already ? I think it should work
fine by just pulling the
>hose that leads to the intake and plug it up with a small filter but what
kind of filter should I
>choose (I guess K&N has such a small one) and where can I get it from ?
>
>Regards,
>Roger (currently in CA)
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http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>

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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:37:51 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Krankcase ventilation

Oil mixed in with charge air will cause detonation.  It effectively
lowers the octane significantly.  It appears that our cars depend on
scavenging the top end via the turbo inlet hose (vacuum under boost)
to ventilate the crankcase.  I've tried the small K&N filter but the
pressure eventually caused the filter to ooze oil.  It becomes messy.

When I had the big groove in my #2 cylinder wall, I had major
crankcase pressure.  There was no way to bleed it off fast enough
using the factory ventilation system, so the oil blew out everywhere -
valve covers, bottom end, rear seals, etc.

For those without the "grooved cylinder mod", Cusco makes a catch can
that is effective.    The catch can preserves this while removing most
of the oil from the charge air.  The only source that I know of is a
place that I will never spend another penny, cough...Alamo
Arlington...choke...so that's why I don't own one.

- -Bob

> ventilation system. Has anybody done this already ? I think
> it should work fine by just pulling the
> hose that leads to the intake and plug it up with a small
> filter but what kind of filter should I
> choose (I guess K&N has such a small one) and where can I
> get it from ?
>
> Regards,
> Roger (currently in CA)
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:06:35 -0800
From: Roger Gerl <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Krankcase ventilation

> Oil mixed in with charge air will cause detonation.  It effectively
> lowers the octane significantly.

Yes ! A big drawback :(

> I've tried the small K&N filter but the pressure eventually caused the filter to ooze oil.
> It becomes messy.

This is what I'm expecting as well. Even the small filter in the BOV line (that activates it) is
already messed up.

> ...so the oil blew out everywhere - valve covers, bottom end, rear seals, etc.

Argh, what a mess. I'm lucky the stuff "only" found it's way through the ventilation system on my
car but the white oil steam comming out the BOV was strange enough.

> For those without the "grooved cylinder mod", Cusco makes a catch can
> that is effective.    The catch can preserves this while removing most
> of the oil from the charge air.

Unfortunately, I don't have the manual handy but it would be interesting to understand what removing
the intake hose would cause. As I can recall, the valve just after the intake hose prevents boost
entering the crankcase but in a vacuum situation the valve let the gases flow. Am I right ? If so,
the function of the valve must not be altered due to such a mod.

Later,
Roger
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:08:03 -0700
From: "james berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: rear turbo precat removal

I found a race fabricator who will build and install a stainless, turbo back
system for 11 or 12 hundred dollars.
This operation will remove precats and install hi-flow cat and flex section.
The problem --- when he and I looked at the system we underestimated the
complexity of removing the rear precat. A second review, by me, makes it
look as though the removal of the rear precat is going to be a pain in the
ratchet. Is it as bad as it looks or are there some tricks that make it
easier. BTY does doing a turbo upgrade require pulling the engine or can it
be done in car.

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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:27:47 -0800
From: "Errin D. Humphrey" <errin@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Anybody willing to setup a sign up sheet for hoods?

Joshua posted this on the Starnet list:

>The company which I found was willing to make us hoods for our cars
>wants to know how many people want them and what they are willing
>to pay.  They can make them out of carbon fiber or fiberglass, I assumed
>everyone just have the fiberglass.  We woudl also have to agree on area's
>for cut outs and air inlets, etc.  Let me know if anybody wants to start a
>sign up sheet on their web page or something.
>Thanks

>joshua@princelaw.com

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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 21:30:37 -0500
From: Brian Danley <bcdmad@concentric.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: rear turbo precat removal

Subject: Team3S: rear turbo precat removal
I found a race fabricator who will build and install a stainless, turbo back
system for 11 or 12 hundred dollars.
This operation will remove precats and install hi-flow cat and flex section.
The problem --- when he and I looked at the system we underestimated the
complexity of removing the rear precat. A second review, by me, makes it
look as though the removal of the rear precat is going to be a pain in the
ratchet. Is it as bad as it looks or are there some tricks that make it
easier.
[Brian Danley]  I can't think of a easy way.  I gutted in from under the car... never took it off.


 BTY does doing a turbo upgrade require pulling the engine or can it
be done in car.
[Brian Danley]  Turbos are done with the engine in.  I didn't even remove the intake plenum...I will next time (just for ease)

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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:43:35 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: rear turbo precat removal

> -----Original Message-----
>
> I found a race fabricator who will build and install a stainless,
> turbo back system for 11 or 12 hundred dollars.
> This operation will remove precats and install hi-flow cat and
> flex section.

Very cool.

> The problem --- when he and I looked at the system we underestimated the
> complexity of removing the rear precat. A second review, by me, makes it
> look as though the removal of the rear precat is going to be a pain in the
> ratchet.

Yes, among other places.

> Is it as bad as it looks or are there some tricks that make it
> easier.

IMO, it is at least as bad as it looks.  I literally left mine in the car
when I did the rear turbos.  I just couldn't see it coming out without
tilting the engine forward.  Maybe there is a trick but noone was able to
tell me about it when I asked and I couldn't see it.

> BTY does doing a turbo upgrade require pulling the engine
> or can it be done in car.

Turbos can be swapped whilst the engine is in the car but it can be a PITA.
Some claim it is (almost) easier to lift the engine up.  After doing it
twice I (almost) agree.  I did the front turbo including yanking all the
accessories and junk off in less than 2.5 hrs.  The rear one took me an
embarrassingly long time.  It went much easier the second time around
though.

Some people have the opposite experience -- they find the rear easier than
the front.  Maybe the trick is to find someone who can do the front one fast
and someone else who can do the rear one just as fast ;)


Barry

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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:47:16 -0800 (PST)
From: George Kuo <amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: rear turbo precat removal

I paid $1600 for the Trust off-road exhaust! =( The Trust downpipe
removes the front pre-cat but not the rear.. I've always wondered
why.. but I guess I know now.. Roger mentioned to me this mite be bad
due to a more free flow front turbo vs. rear..

George


- ---james berry <fastmax@home.com> wrote:
>
> I found a race fabricator who will build and install a stainless,
turbo back
> system for 11 or 12 hundred dollars.
> This operation will remove precats and install hi-flow cat and flex
section.
> The problem --- when he and I looked at the system we underestimated
the
> complexity of removing the rear precat. A second review, by me,
makes it
> look as though the removal of the rear precat is going to be a pain
in the
> ratchet. Is it as bad as it looks or are there some tricks that make
it
> easier. BTY does doing a turbo upgrade require pulling the engine or
can it
> be done in car.
>
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 23:08:52 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Krankcase ventilation

Under boost, the turbos are pulling air in through your air filters.
The tube that runs from the rear valve cover to the rear turbo inlet
hose sees a negative pressure under boost since the air rushing by the
place where the tube joins the inlet hose creates a vacuum in the rear
valve cover.  This helps evacuate the top end of the motor.  When not
under boost, the PCV valve on the rear of the front valve cover opens
which enables the intake manifold vacuum to pull oil vapor from the
front valve cover directly into the combustion chamber.

- -Bob

> Unfortunately, I don't have the manual handy but it would
> be interesting to understand what removing
> the intake hose would cause. As I can recall, the valve
> just after the intake hose prevents boost
> entering the crankcase but in a vacuum situation the valve
> let the gases flow. Am I right ? If so,
> the function of the valve must not be altered due to such a mod.

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 21:29:08 -0800
From: travis <travisblanchard@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Fuel pump rewire

>  as an idea:

    instead of wiring the fuel pump directly to the battery with an on/off switch-how
about splicing it and using a relay to turn it on and off. I have a vortech fuel pump on
one of my "other" brand cars done that way. it is also in series with an upgraded in
tank unit that i could really tell a diffrence with.
        travisblanchard@sprintmail.com
        94 PLYMOUTH LASER
        LOOKING FOR A TT STEALTH/3000GT

>
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 06:21:45 EST
From: Petrosvr4@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: K&N Oil Filters

Parts of America has them in stock
peter 3si#126
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 07:22:31 -0700
From: Andrew Brilliant <andrewb@infowest.com>
Subject: Team3S: Specs? and year to purchase

I own a 91 VR-4, and I just made the decision to purchase a 2nd gen,
when I start my new job, in 2 weeks.  I love the ECS, and the Active
Aero, Climate control, is there any year of the 94+ that had all of
those features, or is there a website listing all of the years and their
features?

- --
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Internet Database Development Team
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:31:41 EST
From: Dskull@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Ventilation

Bob Fontana wrote ;

The tube that runs from the rear valve cover to the rear turbo inlet
hose sees a negative pressure under boost since the air rushing by the
place where the tube joins the inlet hose creates a vacuum in the rear
valve cover.

Would this explain why I have a slight oil film on my intercooler pipes for
the
rear turbo and the front intercooler is spotless ?  Car has 98,000 miles.
Or is there another reason for this that I should be concerned about ?

Dave 93 VR4
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 08:07:08 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Specs? and year to purchase

- -----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Brilliant [mailto:andrewb@infowest.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 6:23 AM
To: Technical List
Subject: Team3S: Specs? and year to purchase

I own a 91 VR-4, and I just made the decision to purchase a 2nd gen,
when I start my new job, in 2 weeks.  I love the ECS, and the Active
Aero, Climate control, is there any year of the 94+ that had all of
those features, or is there a website listing all of the years and their
features?
<snip>
======================================
Andrew...

I don't know of any such website, although I've been searching off and on
for two years for information about production numbers for each model. Your
best bet may be to buy a set of shop manuals, an EXCELLENT investment if you
plan on doing anything to the car.

Many of us call the 94 though 96 models the "second generation", although
the 97 through 99 models share the same drivetrain and chassis. Why? Because
the 97 through 99 has a distinctly different "look", Mitsubishi has
continued to cut features to keep the cost down, and there seems to be some
emissions driven limits to the mods that can be made.

The 94, 95, and 96 VR4s all had the features you describe. The only thing
dropped from the 95 and 96 (and beyond) is the "tunable" exhaust, a feature
that provides no value if the owner changes the exhaust. Therefore, the
optimum model year "should be" 1994, if you can find one in cherry condition
with low miles.

Good luck!!!

Looking forward...Chris

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4 (w/HKS Super Flo intake, HKS SBOV, Predator dry
cell battery, bored and polished throttle body, Magnecore 8.5mm wires, HKS
double platinum plugs gapped at .034", GReddy PRofec A boost controller,
GReddy turbo timer, ATR downpipe and test pipe, GReddy catback exhaust,
Eibach 1" drop progressive springs)
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 08:26:08 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: Team3S: Downpipe (was: rear turbo precat removal)

- -----Original Message-----
From: George Kuo [mailto:amkreadgto@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 7:47 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: rear turbo precat removal

I paid $1600 for the Trust off-road exhaust! =( The Trust downpipe
removes the front pre-cat but not the rear.. I've always wondered
why.. but I guess I know now.. Roger mentioned to me this mite be bad
due to a more free flow front turbo vs. rear..

George
=================================
Folks...

I have a custom downpipe (replaces the front precat and main cat) for a twin
turbo. Three inch, but not stainless.

I'd be willing to sell it for $200 plus shipping. E-mail me privately
(cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com) if interested.

Looking forward...Chris

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4 (w/HKS Super Flo intake, HKS SBOV, Predator dry
cell battery, bored and polished throttle body, Magnecore 8.5mm wires, HKS
double platinum plugs gapped at .034", GReddy PRofec A boost controller,
GReddy turbo timer, ATR downpipe and test pipe, GReddy catback exhaust,
Eibach 1" drop progressive springs)
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:24:51 EST
From: VR4Power@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Specs? and year to purchase

In a message dated 2/24/99 11:10:41 AM Eastern Standard Time,
cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com writes:

<<
 I own a 91 VR-4, and I just made the decision to purchase a 2nd gen,
 when I start my new job, in 2 weeks.  I love the ECS, and the Active
 Aero, Climate control, is there any year of the 94+ that had all of
 those features, or is there a website listing all of the years and their
 features?
 <snip> >>

1994 was the last year for the ECS... 94 Also comes with a moon roof, and 95+
comes with a sun roof.. That's pretty much all the differences really... Aside
from the OBDII in the 1996+'s and even some late month 1995's...

Hope this helps..

Adam Weltz
1996  3000 GT VR-4
11.25 @ 125.43mph
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:47:11 -0700
From: "Tracy, Austin" <austin.tracy@rez.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Specs? and year to purchase

ok, we're getting some conflicting reports here.. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: VR4Power@aol.com [mailto:VR4Power@aol.com] said

> 1994 was the last year for the ECS...

yet, Chris Winkley says:

>Tracy...

>Yes, my 95 VR4 has climate control, ECS, and the active aero. A friend's 96
>VR4 also has all three.

So, I tend to believe Chris is correct as he OWNS a 95.  are there any 95
owners out there that can confirm one of these storys?  Also, ECS is the 4
wheel steering right?  When was the tuned suspension available?


> 94 Also comes with a
> moon roof, and 95+
> comes with a sun roof..

um, I don't mean to sound naieve, but I was brought up a T-tops man :-) what
is the difference between a sun roof and a moon roof?  Are they sliding, or
pop up?  are they manual or powered?

Thanks a ton

Austin Tracy
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:54:16 -0700
From: Andrew Brilliant <andrewb@infowest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Specs? and year to purchase

If anyone is selling 94 or 95 or sees one for sale with low mileage email me privately
Preferably silver or white.

"Tracy, Austin" wrote:

> ok, we're getting some conflicting reports here..
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: VR4Power@aol.com [mailto:VR4Power@aol.com] said
>
> > 1994 was the last year for the ECS...
>
> yet, Chris Winkley says:
>
> >Tracy...
>
> >Yes, my 95 VR4 has climate control, ECS, and the active aero. A friend's 96
> >VR4 also has all three.
>
> So, I tend to believe Chris is correct as he OWNS a 95.  are there any 95
> owners out there that can confirm one of these storys?  Also, ECS is the 4
> wheel steering right?  When was the tuned suspension available?
>
> > 94 Also comes with a
> > moon roof, and 95+
> > comes with a sun roof..
>
> um, I don't mean to sound naieve, but I was brought up a T-tops man :-) what
> is the difference between a sun roof and a moon roof?  Are they sliding, or
> pop up?  are they manual or powered?
>
> Thanks a ton
>
> Austin Tracy
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 08:54:01 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Specs? and year to purchase

- -----Original Message-----
From: VR4Power@aol.com [mailto:VR4Power@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 8:25 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Specs? and year to purchase

<snip>

1994 was the last year for the ECS... 94 Also comes with a moon roof, and
95+
comes with a sun roof.. That's pretty much all the differences really...
Aside
from the OBDII in the 1996+'s and even some late month 1995's...

Hope this helps..

Adam Weltz
================================
Adam...

My 95 VR4 has the ECS (sport/tour suspension). The sunroof/moonroof was an
option.

Looking forward...Chris

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4 (w/HKS Super Flo intake, HKS SBOV, Predator dry
cell battery, bored and polished throttle body, Magnecore 8.5mm wires, HKS
double platinum plugs gapped at .034", GReddy PRofec A boost controller,
GReddy turbo timer, ATR downpipe and test pipe, GReddy catback exhaust,
Eibach 1" drop progressive springs)
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:58:45 -0700
From: "Tracy, Austin" <austin.tracy@rez.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Specs? and year to purchase

me first, me first :-)  I've been looking for a good one for two months now,
I am willing to travel anywhere in the US.

Austin T

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Brilliant [mailto:andrewb@infowest.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 9:54 AM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Specs? and year to purchase
>
>
> If anyone is selling 94 or 95 or sees one for sale with low
> mileage email me privately
> Preferably silver or white.
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:40:30 -0800
From: Ken Middaugh <middaugh@omega.gat.com>
Subject: Team3S: Want to buy... was: Specs? and year to purchase

> me first, me first :-)  I've been looking for a good one for two months now,
> I am willing to travel anywhere in the US.

You folks looking for cars, be sure to check the online classifieds.  I
just saw 10 '95 vr4's & spyders and 6 '94 vr4's between
http://www.classifieds2000.com and http://www.traderpub.com.

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General Atomics
San Diego
(619) 455-4510
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:40:26 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: [Fwd: Team3S: Purchase...was Gregg's Farewell Address (long)]

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Hi Group;

With Andrew and  Austin talking of purchase, here is a recent Team 3S
farewell posting from a long time lover of the car. He consistantly
impressed everyone with his detailing and care (3S awards by his peers)
at gatherings, so that whoever gets this baby will find they are sliding
into an essentially "as new" car for a fraction of the price. Show room
quality me thinks! Were I living in the good old US of A, it would be
high on my list of desires to acquire this vehicle and put in storage.
It's a good thing I'm not, as living beyond my means  would be an
excercise in greed. However, to whomever gets it, "good on ya!"

Best

Darc

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Hi everybody,

I sent this to the starnet list yesterday, forgetting that some of you aren't
on that list any longer.  But anyways, yes, the subject is true - the day has
finally arrived where I will soon no longer be a member of 3SI, the starnet
list, or Team 3S.  It's a day which I thought would never happen.  I've put so
much care, devotion, time and dedication into my beloved '95 3000GT that I
thought i'd never want to give her up.  The car became part of me as we've
grown closer and closer through the last 4 increadible years of owning it,
however, the time to move on (for me anyways) is now. 

For those interested in knowing what I am moving on to, well - i'm sure I'll
be upsetting alot of you when I say that I just signed the papers for a 1999
BWM M3 this weekend.  I'm not giving up my passion or love for the 3000GT or
Stealth in any way, it's just time for me to move into something a little
different, and the M3 happens to be the car of choice right now.  But for
those who can appreciate the M3 for what it is, all I can say is this:
"JEESUS - what a car!"  For those people I do know personally, or those just
generally interested....feel free to email me privately and i'll gladly tell
you all about it!!

For those interested, my '95 3000GT is actually up for sale right now.  If any
of you in the Boston area are seriously interested, let me know asap as I will
have current ads running in various locations, and i'm sure I won't have
trouble selling the car. 

For those of you who DO know my car - I think you can all agree that it is
definitely one of a kind.  I've won "Best Overall Modified 3000GT/Stealth" at
the last 2 October Quickenings and mods such as my custom stereo, aftermarket
leather, powered aftermarket sunroof and 18" VR4 Chrome Rims definitely made
heads turn.  Many of you also know that I am seriously into detailing, and my
car has very RARELY seen a dirty day.  I'm actually pretty pathetic when it
comes to how meticulous I can be with detailing my car.  I'd always have half
a hatch worth of cleaning supplies, and I can't tell you how many hours i've
actually spent washing the car.  An average of 3 washings per week should give
you some idea of the condition of the car.  All in all - I highly doubt you'll
ever see a cleaner daily driver anywhere around.  For more info on the car,
check out it's website at:  <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/gcouture/my3k
">http://members.tripod.com/gcouture/my3k</A>   

The car currently has 54K miles on it, has had it's clutch replaced at 35K,
brakes done around 25K, and is in definite mint condition.  Kelly's Blue Book
on the car is over $17K, and with all the customization, time, effort, and
care i've put in the car, I feel very strongly about asking $18,500 for the
car (price does not include 18" rims).  Of course there is room to haggle, and
I will definitley be more lienient towards other 3000GT/Stealth owners if any
of you are seriously interested.  However, to the untrained prospective 3000GT
buyer, I find it hard to believe they would pass this car up over another.
She's been a great ride - i'm going to miss her dearly.

However, I would now like to take the time to say a goodbye to all the friends
and wonderful people i've come into contact with while being a member on this
list and 3SI.  I've met a lot of you through gatherings and through emails
(you all know who you are - there are too many names to list!), and i've
enjoyed every minute i've spent with you all.  The gatherings were always
increadible, you guys are ALWAYS a blast to hang with (even in Ocean City
during a continually rainy weekend) and i'm definitely still going to attend
all upcoming New England Gatherings....i'll just be without the essential
thing - the 3000GT.   But after all - friends are friends, and i've definitley
made more than a few from my time here on the 3/S lists.

I'll still keep my website active (http://members.tripod.com/gcouture), as I
said, I can never give up my love for the 3000GT.  The gatherings page, the
detailing page, my own 3000GT's modifications page, and most importantly to
all of you - the 3000GT/Stealth Identification Vinyl Graphics page will all
remain intact.  However- please check back often, as I plan to begin to post a
whole new era in my automotive history:

Project: 1999 M3!!!   >:)  (Doctor Evil grin complete with pinky to bottom
lip).


I will still remain on the list for a few more weeks (actually, I'm going to
miss the 100+ emails a day!), I will still check in on the message boards,
will still always be up for 3000GT/Stealth chat anytime!  But I just wanted to
inform you all at once, that I am infact leaving the group somewhat soon.

Take care, have a GREAT time at OCV (for those of you not sure of going -
there isn't an option - you HAVE to go!!!), and I will still see most of you
here and there. 

Thanks for the great times,
Gregg 3SI# 0015

PS - my new email address will now be: GRCouture@aol.com    Please update your
buddy lists and address books!
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 12:27:27 -0600
From: "Jeff" <jw461@nstar.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Specs? and year to purchase

Okay, here's how it goes, as I understand it.

1994 - Has all the features of the 1993, plus the improved transmission,
updated styling, etc
1995 - Same as the 1994 but some models gained OBDII and all models lost
tuneable exhaust.
1996 - Update in leather and all models have OBDII and all models lose ECS.
1997 - Update in styling and active aero is gone.  New steering wheel and
map lights.
1998 - Lose color display on climate control (it's now monochrome)
1999 - New body work/wing

If I'm forgetting anything, let me know.

jeff
'95 Mitsubishi Spyder VR-4
'90 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX

- -----Original Message-----
From: Tracy, Austin <austin.tracy@rez.com>
To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com' <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 10:45 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Specs? and year to purchase


>ok, we're getting some conflicting reports here..
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: VR4Power@aol.com [mailto:VR4Power@aol.com] said
>
>> 1994 was the last year for the ECS...


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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 12:37:46 -0600
From: "Omar Malik" <ojm@iname.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Specs? and year to purchase

i think maybe adam meant to say 94 was the last year for active exhaust. am
i right adam?
ECS is the tuned suspension, which was taken off in 96 i believe.
4 wheel steering is standard on all vr4s and stealth TTs.

omar

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> [mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of Tracy, Austin
> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 10:47 AM
> To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Specs? and year to purchase
>
>
> ok, we're getting some conflicting reports here..
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: VR4Power@aol.com [mailto:VR4Power@aol.com] said
>
> > 1994 was the last year for the ECS...
>
> yet, Chris Winkley says:
>
> >Tracy...
>
> >Yes, my 95 VR4 has climate control, ECS, and the active aero. A
> friend's 96
> >VR4 also has all three.
>
> So, I tend to believe Chris is correct as he OWNS a 95.  are there any 95
> owners out there that can confirm one of these storys?  Also, ECS is the 4
> wheel steering right?  When was the tuned suspension available?
>
>
> > 94 Also comes with a
> > moon roof, and 95+
> > comes with a sun roof..
>
> um, I don't mean to sound naieve, but I was brought up a T-tops
> man :-) what
> is the difference between a sun roof and a moon roof?  Are they
> sliding, or
> pop up?  are they manual or powered?
>
> Thanks a ton
>
> Austin Tracy
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> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>


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