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Date:
Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:31:35 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: drive shaft center support bearing(s)
Jim;
If the rubber
bushing has collapsed, then it sounds like time to replace it, or
fabricate
something to replace it with that won't collapse at 36K. You'll likely
find
less vibration, certainly less play, and be happy with the maintenance
you perform. I
swear I can tell the difference with new oil! Replacing this
should really make a much
bigger difference. Just my
2c.
Darc
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Date:
Wed, 17 Feb 1999 20:27:46 EST
From: MikeVR4@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Ground
Control to Major Tom
<>
The front shocks should have no
problems, as Ground Control includes a
machined aluminum "upper perch" that
supposedly replaces the factory one(It
doesn't). Used in conjunction
with the factory perch, this piece fits on top
of and through the spring
coils, while its inner diameter is just large enough
for the shock's
piston. It maintains the spring's alignment even when at
full
travel.
The rear setup, however, is another story if you follow
Ground Control's
instructions. There is nothing maintaining the
spring's alignment with the
shock at full travel, and the problem you brought
up was precisely what
happened to us on the first few setups. If you
follow our instructions and
attach the rubber grommet Ground Control provides
through part of the factory
(UNCUT!) bump stop, this new piece actually sits
on top of and through the
rear spring coils much like the front aluminum
perch does, and keeps the
springs in the correct alignment. If you cut
the bump stop in half like the
GC instructions say, the bump stop no longer
fits tightly to the piston(unless
you keep the top half), and just drops down
to the bottom of the piston. And,
the rubber grommet they provide will
immediately deform under the car's load
and misalign the spring. Not
that this happened to us or anything! :)
We asked the machinist at the
local speed shop if he could machine something
for the rear, but he said the
rubber grommet/bump stop solution is actually
better, since metal on metal
will wear faster and be louder.
I really wish I could tell what spring
constants they sent us, we've got some
numbers printed on the side of the
springs, but nothing correlates directly
with a k value. I think we'll
just call them up and ask, if we can get past
the voice mail...
Mike
Willis
'93 Pearl White VR-4(sunroof)
Chuck Willis
'93 Pearl White
VR-4(no sunroof)
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Date:
Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:48:06 -0700
From: "james berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Ground Control to Major Tom
>
>I really wish I could tell what
spring constants they sent us, we've got
some
>numbers printed on the
side of the springs, but nothing correlates directly
>with a k
value. I think we'll just call them up and ask, if we can
get
past
>the voice mail...
>
I saw a set of Eibach
springs and the number stamped was in pounds. The
stock front springs
have a rate of around 220 # I would expect your setup
to be 10 % to 20%
harder. Look for a number in the range of 240 to 275. I
recall their being
some alpha characters also, maybe Eibach's
name.
Jim Berry 93 stealth TT
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Date:
Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:57:48 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Water Injection
Roger;
Thanks for the great WI update, for
your take on it, and for the links. It should give
me something to chew on
during the dreary wet dimness of these Vancouver Island
pre-Spring
days.
Austin (private communication) briefly mentioned to me that he used
the airconditioner
to channel cool air to the intercooler as a mod he
performed on a non 3S turbo. How
about elaborating a bit on this Austin...we
can kick it a round a bit and see if it's
feasible with our
cars?
Darc
92 Black Stealth TT
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Date:
Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:17:07 -0500
From: Michael Booker <mrbook@gate.net>
Subject: Team3S: A
couple of questions
Just a couple of questions, guys:
1. Would the TT
cams "work" in an NA? Would the exhaust duration be too
long for my high
compression so as to the pistons and valves coming
together? Would the extra
4 degrees of duration be worth the time and
money to get a set, or would the
gains be minimal, and i should look
elsewhere.
2. Has anyone had
problems with a stock (stereo) head unit, the double
din, with the cassette,
stereo, and EQ all in one, that were fixable? My
back left speaker is not
working, and I have gone through the measures
of pulling it and testing it,
then re-wiring it, and changing the wiring
harness. If it is non-repairable,
then does anyone have a stock head
unit for sale? Or, does anyone have any
suggestions on places that
repair radios, and/or places to avoid?
O.K.
I know it's more than a couple of questions, but i would appreciate
any info
you can provide.
Matt
3/Si #311
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Date:
Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:38:05 EST
From: MrX2111@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: A
couple of questions
In a message dated 2.17.1999 9:14:18 PM, mrbook@gate.net writes:
<< 2. Has
anyone had problems with a stock (stereo) head unit, the double
din, with the
cassette, stereo, and EQ all in one, that were fixable? My
back left speaker
is not working, and I have gone through the measures
of pulling it and
testing it, then re-wiring it, and changing the wiring
harness. If it is
non-repairable, then does anyone have a stock head
unit for sale? Or, does
anyone have any suggestions on places that
repair radios, and/or places to
avoid?
>>
The front left channel went out on me i just
threw in a double din Top of the
line clarion loved it to death
8)
Xannieria
3SI #130
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Date:
Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:33:45 -0500
From: William Lynn Larsen <wlarsen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: A
couple of questions
Michael,
I have a '92 Stealth ES and the
radio/casette/equalizer sounds like
mine. I had a cup of coffee spilled
on my radio that sent it bonkers. A
local auto sound shop here in Raleigh was
able to fix it. They had to
replace the main processor, so I would say they
are fixable.
Regards,
Lynn
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Date:
Thu, 18 Feb 1999 00:26:50 -0500
From: Ron Thompson <rtetetet@earthlink.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Water Injection
This may suit everyone, but why not increase
the octane of pump gas.
Yes a bottle of 104+ every fill up would be costly
and it will take
more then one to get it high enough. I needed octane booster
for my
race bike and never really got what I wanted, plus I never had
any
money then. My niece is a chem engineer and gave me several methods
to
boost octane with chemicals that were easily available and cheap.
2-3
oz. in five gallons gave me more than enough for the 13:1 I
was
running. I'm sure I can either dig it back up or get her to get it
for
me again. This was not the cheap moth ball trick, that would
play
havoc with injectors, but liquid naphtha was one possible
component.
Nitro methane was cheaper then also and a can of model airplane
fuel
was available everywhere.
Ron
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Date:
Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:05:05 +0100
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?="
<vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Water Injection
I talked to a company called GIK Turbotechnics in
Sweden (more than 30 years in the business) and they also suggests water
injection but they also points at some problem areas. This was the company that
provided me with WI for my Celica GT4. (worked great in that car)
Roger
wrote that WI provides the same result as using 160 octane gas.
This is
true but GIK says that this is if you compare with a turbo system without
Intercoolers. You can't expect that much effect with IC. The problem is that if
you have a non IC setup you spray the water before the turbo and the turbo makes
sure that the water get into a very fine mist and mix very good with the
air.
If you spray water before the turbo with IC the water will condense
in the IC, so you have to spray after the IC. The problem then is to get the
mist fine enough and totally mixed with the air. it will have a strangle effect
on the engine if not mixed good enought with the air and you can't spray as much
water and don't get the 160 octane effect.
Another problem is that most
systems use the same water pressure the whole time. This same amount of water
will be sprayed at 1 bar as at 1.2 bar, this results in that the mixture
(air/water) will be more "lean" at higher boost and that is offcourse not ideal.
If you go with a system that uses an ECU it will spray more water when the boost
gets higher.
So my question is: Is there a system that provides a pump
that can provide more pressure when the boost builds and that doesn't cost as
much as the computer controlled Aquamist does???
/Mikael Akesson http://www.bahnhof.se/~vr4
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Date:
Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:46:22 +0100
From: Roger Gerl <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Water Injection
> This is true but GIK says that this is if
you compare with a turbo
> system without Intercoolers. You can't expect
that much effect with
> IC. The problem is that if you have a non IC setup
you spray the
> water before the turbo and the turbo makes sure that the
water get
> into a very fine mist and mix very good with the
air.
Yes, this like the old WI system worked until the high pressure
magnetic
pumps with the special spray pattern jets came onto the market.
Today
the WAIS injects the mixture after the intercooler (depending on
the
goal). The description of System 2 on the Aquamist page contains a
good
graphic that explains the three different ijection points.
>
If you spray water before the turbo with IC the water will condense
> in
the IC, so you have to spray after the IC.
Correct, but maybe this effect
is wanted to increase the efficiency of
the IC setup. It is better explained
on the Aquamist page :)
> The problem then is to get the mist fine
enough and totally mixed
> with the air. it will have a strangle effect on
the engine if not
> mixed good enought with the air and you can't spray as
much water
> and don't get the 160 octane effect.
Yes, this was the
problem before the high pressure pump came into the
game.
> Another
problem is that most systems use the same water pressure the
> whole time.
This same amount of water will be sprayed at 1 bar as at
> 1.2 bar, this
results in that the mixture (air/water) will be more
> "lean" at higher
boost and that is offcourse not ideal.
System 1 does this. Therefore the
amount of mixture sprayed in will be
determined by the max boost you want to
drive at. In my setup I'd say
1.2 bars with the stock turbos but the spray
must start at 1.0 bars to
prevent knock. The A/W mixture differs not really a
lot at this range
but it will when going up to 1.5 bars with the big
turbos.
> If you go with a system that uses an ECU it will spray more
water when
> the boost gets higher.
Yes, System 2 does this and is
definitely the most advanced system ! So
the price is :(
> So my
question is: Is there a system that provides a pump that can
> provide
more pressure when the boost builds and that doesn't cost
> as much as the
computer controlled Aquamist does???
You say it, the pump is the most
important thing (together with the
jet). The pump always deliver the same
amount of pressure but the
mixture amount will be controlled by an injector
driver (System 2).
Unfortunately I haven't found any other system as I was
told by some
persons that this is the only reliable system on the market. I'd
be
happy to see more alternatives :)
Regards,
Roger,
Switzerland
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Date:
Thu, 18 Feb 1999 06:26:17 -0700
From: "Tracy, Austin" <austin.tracy@rez.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Air/Water intercooler
Thanks Darc,
Actually what I
am doing is using an air/water intercooler on a Project MR2
Turbo I am
building. The reason I am doing this is a:, I have a spearco
air/water
intercooler laying around, b: the airflow through the intercooler
location on
a MR2 is quite poor, and c: the piping from the turbo to the
intercooler,
then from the intercooler to the TB is like 3 feet. An awful
lot of
volume to pressurize. So what the initial builder of the car
did
(Norwood Autocraft and Alamo Autosport) was to mount a air to
water
intercooler directly between the turbo and the TB. This would
reduce the
amount of intake plumbing to pressurize as well as allow a heat
exchanger
for the intercooler to be mounted up front.
Well, that was
step one. Step two involves attempting to make the
intercooler charge
temperature as low as possible. As you may know,
air/water intercoolers
do the cooling of the water when off boost, as water
flows through the heat
exchanger it cools, then is stored in a reservoir
mounted remotely (mine is
in the rear trunk). Well, this water is usually
at around 90-100
degrees during high boost loads and 70-80 degrees when off
boost
(approximately ambient temp here in AZ). My plan is to run a
long
section of copper tubing coiled through the reservoir and then route a
Freon
line with orifice valve to the copper tubing. this would make the
reservoir
act like a standard office cooler, hopefully dropping the water
temperature
20 or more degrees. this in turn would cool the intake
charge even more.
As you know, the cooler the intake charge, the denser the
air, the more
power.
I'm not too sure how this kind of setup would
work on a 3S Turbo as I am
just learning the layout of the car.
Well,
Talk to you later,
Austin T
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca [mailto:wce@bc.sympatico.ca]
> Sent:
Wednesday, February 17, 1999 6:58 PM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Water Injection
>
>
> Roger;
>
> Thanks for the great WI update, for your take on it, and for
>
the links. It should give
> me something to chew on during the dreary wet
dimness of
> these Vancouver Island
> pre-Spring days.
>
> Austin (private communication) briefly mentioned to me that
> he
used the airconditioner
> to channel cool air to the intercooler as a mod
he performed
> on a non 3S turbo. How
> about elaborating a bit on
this Austin...we can kick it a
> round a bit and see if it's
>
feasible with our cars?
>
> Darc
>
> 92 Black Stealth
TT
>
>
>
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Date:
Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:43:10 EST
From: Lomcevak@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Water Injection
Just a pseudo-related sidenote
on the subject of WAIS.........my personal
experience with water injection is
limited to the system that was installed on
the Fairchild Metro III aircraft
I used to maintain......they had 1000shp
Garret turboshaft engines and used
water/alcohol injection to reach their
rated power on hot / humid days
without exceeding the max EGT and the
resulting melted turbine wheels. It
simply had a tube half-ring with spray
nozzles that aimed into the air inlet
- basically aimed right at the
compressor (centrifugal just like a
turbochargers compressor). The system was
manually armed, and when power was
increased, the pump kicked on and fed the
alcohol/water mix to the nozzles
(kind of like NOS) It only had one pressure /
flow setting.This made for a
power increase you could feel - even if you were
running the plane chocked on
the ramp:)
One last note - many years ago I went to look at a
car that was advertised
for sale. It was an old early 60's (63 i think)
Buick. was a small car (for
the time) - I think it was called a Jetfire.
Anyways, it had a tiny little V8
(like 280 cu.in.) and had both a
turbocharger and water injection - from the
factory. I was in aircraft
mechanics school at the time and thought this was
extremely cool. I would
love to run across another one today......maybe
someone else on the list has
seen or had one of these.
Sorry if this was too obscure to
be of any interest........
SteveC
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Date:
Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:16:03 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Air/Water intercooler
Austin;
Cool project...not sure if
we have enough room in the 3S TT's to get this additional
stuff sandwiched in
there. Anyone think it's possible? It's darn cramped! Thermo
wrapping
our intercooler piping is the only way I have heard of to keep lower temps
a
bit lower until now (scoops notwithstanding).
Oh... I noted you are
charging with freon...are they still allowing use of that in the
good ole US
of A??
Best
Darc
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Date:
Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:51:18 -0800
From: Ken Middaugh <middaugh@omega.gat.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Water Injection
> So my question is: Is there a system
that provides a pump that can provide more pressure when the boost builds and
that doesn't cost as much as the computer controlled Aquamist
does???
Yes, the Aquamist System II for 534 GBP, or about
$873. It comes with
their MF2 processor to allow 3D mapping.
There are two Aquamist systems
with computer control, the System III being
the expensive one at 2430
GBP or $3972.
- --
Ken
Middaugh
General Atomics
San Diego
(619) 455-4510
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Date:
Thu, 18 Feb 1999 14:22:46 -0800
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject:
Team3S: 3000GTs have a speed governor?
Hey guys, quick question: do
the 3000GTs have any sort of electronic speed
limiter? I know some of
the stealths has some kind of governor at 120mph at
some point.
Anything similar on the 3000GTs? Autobahn people, you guys had
to
remove anything? Roger?
- --Erik
-
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----------
Erik
Gross
DuPont, WA
'95 Pearl White 3000GT 48k mi - resonatorless + bald tire mod
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what happened in the archaic, pre-scientific idiom of the
ancient
Hebrews. It does not tell us how it happened. We can
learn what we can about
that "how" from science, always
keeping in mind that there can be no real
conflict between
two very different orders of knowledge: science and
theology."
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Date:
Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:30:09 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: 3000GTs have a speed governor?
> Hey guys, quick
question: do the 3000GTs have any sort of electronic speed
>
limiter? I know some of the stealths has some kind of governor at 120mph
at
> some point. Anything similar on the 3000GTs? Autobahn
people, you guys had
> to remove anything? Roger?
No, the
93'3000GT had no limiter. But with stock boost I felt as 250km/h was
the
limit :)
- -----------------------
Roger Gerl,
Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
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Date:
Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:33:08 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject:
Team3S: Cyl head temperatures
I plan to read/log cyl head temperatures.
Autometer offers a thin probe that can
be mounted under the spark plug, but
how good is this location and what max temp
will I see at this point
?
Thanks in advance,
Roger
- -----------------------
Roger
Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
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Date:
Thu, 18 Feb 1999 14:34:50 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: 3000GTs have a speed governor?
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Gross, Erik [mailto:erik.gross@intel.com]
Sent:
Thursday, February 18, 1999 2:23 PM
To: 'Team3S List'
Subject: Team3S:
3000GTs have a speed governor?
Hey guys, quick question: do the
3000GTs have any sort of electronic speed
limiter? I know some of the
stealths has some kind of governor at 120mph at
some point. Anything
similar on the 3000GTs? Autobahn people, you guys had
to remove
anything? Roger?
-
--Erik
====================================
Erik...
Not sure about
all 3000GT models (base, SL, VR4), but I've had mine
over
140mph.
Looking forward...Chris
1995 Glacier Pearl White
VR4 (w/HKS Super Flo intake, HKS SBOV, Predator dry
cell battery, bored and
polished throttle body, Magnecore 8.5mm wires, HKS
double platinum plugs
gapped at .034", GReddy PRofec A boost controller,
GReddy turbo timer, ATR
downpipe and test pipe, GReddy catback exhaust,
Eibach 1" drop progressive
springs)
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Date:
Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:40:44 -0500
From: Joshua <joshua@princelaw.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Vr-4 to automatic?
I was told that there was in very few numbers
produced vr-4's in automatic.
Has anybody else heard this? I was
wondering since all the transmission
seem to go so easily if it might be
possible to put a street strip
transmission in the car and forget about
Gretag. Any information would be
greatly
appreciated.
Thanks
Joshua
3si#0137
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Date:
Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:46:08 -0500
From: "J. Stephen Gula" <loco3kgt@widomaker.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: 3000GTs have a speed governor?
I've gotten my nonturbo to
130mph according to the speedometer, don't
know if it's accurate there, but
I'm pretty sure there isn't a speed
limiter.. who the hell would buy a sports
car w/ no sport?
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Date:
Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:05:26 +0100
From: Kevin Clark <Kevin.Clark@hnz.co.nz>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: 3000GTs have a speed governor?
> Hey guys, quick
question: do the 3000GTs have any sort of
> electronic speed
limiter?
The Japanese model (GTO) comes with a built in limiter
(just
after 180km/h). This is easy to remove however
the speedo display is
calibrated only up to 180km/h so
this would need to be recalibrated or
replaced at the
same time.
It should be noted that all Japanese cars
that I have
seen have limiters and 180km/h speedo's, so this could
be a
legal thing for manufacturers over there?
Cheers,
Kevin.
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Date:
Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:01:58 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: 3000GTs have a speed governor?
There is no governor on the
Stealth's either.
Darc
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Date:
Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:00:41 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: 3000GTs have a speed governor?
> limiter.. who the hell would
buy a sports car w/ no sport?
Please note that every Porsche, Mercedes
(even the AMG), BMW and Audi (the
faster ones) are limited to 250km/h ! The
M3 3.2l I ran went up to 260km/h on
the speedo but the ECU just did not let
me do more ... The tuner shops do know
how to override this and make good
money out of the freaks :)
// Roger
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-----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo
(Animale Rosso)
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Date:
Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:12:38 -0500
From: "Stealth" <cirrus@shore.intercom.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: 3000GTs have a speed governor?
- --
>> limiter..
who the hell would buy a sports car w/ no sport?
Base model owners -
<ducking!>
Robyn
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Date:
Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:21:39 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: 3000GTs have a speed governor?
I am reminded of the time I
found out that my wife's Olds Aurora,
listed in Autoweek as having a top
speed of 130 mph,
showed me it has a speed governer that kicks in at
110.
It was on a two lane road, passing a line of cars, and it just flat
quit on
me.
Scary. Turns out you have to get the Autobahn export package
to eliminate the governer, but it can't be retrofitted.
Same with
Cadillac STS.
This information does not appear anywhere in print, BTW.
What really torques me off is that C&D, Autoweek, and all the other
car mags very carefully do not tell you which cars have
governers.
Seems like they have a duty to tell us such important
information.
Rich/old poop/94 VR4/no governer/140 mph so
far
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Date:
Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:48:39 -0800
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: 3000GTs have a speed governor?
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: R.G. [mailto:robby@swissonline.ch]
>
>
No, the 93'3000GT had no limiter. But with stock boost I felt
> as
250km/h was the
> limit :)
Thanks for the info, Roger. Just
doing a sanity check and making sure I had
my facts straight before I
responded to some new guy on the Dragnet list. I
needed to vent
today... ;)
- --Erik
FYI, here are his posts
from today, if anyone cares...pretty funny (can't
wait for his next
response):
> -----Original Message-----
>
> Ijust
purchased a 1998 brand new Mitsu 3000gt SL its the best
> sports car
ive
> ever driven. I've gotten the car over 150 on the expressway
>
and i love the
> cornering...
>
> Anthony
> New York
City
>
- ---responding to my accusation of one count of BS in
the 3rd degree
> I changed 2 things in my car the day i recieved it i
put in a K&N
> filtercharger KIT which according to K-n-N the
filtercharger
> assa 15-20horse
>
>
> The TOP
SPEED IS ELECTRONICALLY LIMITED SEE UR NEAREST
> PERFORMANCE DEALER
TO
> HAVE IT REMOVED... (IT VOIDS THE WARRENTY BUT I COSTS LIKE
>
$50 SO IF U NEED
> SERVICE JUST HAVE IT CHANGED BACK ...
>
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Date:
Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:57:30 -0500
From: "Marc Spinale" <mspinale@mediaone.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: 3000GTs have a speed governor?
My 93 3000GT VR4 has a limit
of 160 MPH. It had a lot left but would not
budge. According to
G-Force engineering, this limit exists and is correct
for my car.
It
can be overridden for a price. I bet Arty has done
this!
marc
http://www.g-force-engr.com/gfeweb/INDEX2.html
>
-----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On
Behalf Of R.G.
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 6:30 PM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 3000GTs have a speed governor?
>
>
> >
Hey guys, quick question: do the 3000GTs have any sort of
>
electronic speed
> > limiter? I know some of the stealths has
some kind of governor
> at 120mph at
> > some point.
Anything similar on the 3000GTs? Autobahn people,
> you guys
had
> > to remove anything? Roger?
>
> No, the
93'3000GT had no limiter. But with stock boost I felt as
> 250km/h was
the
> limit :)
>
> -----------------------
> Roger Gerl,
Switzerland
> 93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
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Date:
Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:55:46 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Cyl head temperatures
That the most commonly accepted place to put the
CHT probe. Cylinder head
temperatures will vary by head design but I
would expect to see 650 F there
but you'll have to check it out and see for
yourself since I have never seen
a 6G72 measured
there.
Regards,
Barry
> -----Original
Message-----
>
> I plan to read/log cyl head temperatures. Autometer
offers a thin
> probe that can
> be mounted under the spark plug,
but how good is this location
> and what max temp
> will I see at
this point ?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Roger
>
>
-----------------------
> Roger Gerl, Switzerland
> 93'3000GT
TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
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