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Date:
Sat, 13 Feb 1999 18:56:51 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
What year is best to buy?
Most agree that the 93+ models are the
toughest. You get
- - 4 bolt mains
- - larger mainshaft
- -
larger cast iron transfer case
For 400 HP or so a 91-92 will likely be
more than strong enough. There are
a number of 91-92 VR4s that sport
much more than 400 HP and remain reliable.
The larger output shaft found in
93+ cars can be retrofitted which is likely
more of a concern than the 4 bolt
main caps.
A 6 speed was introduced in '94 which you are familiar
with. As to which
transmission is better is likely more a matter of
taste and what you want to
use it for. They are probably equal in terms
of strength.
Barry
> -----Original
Message-----
>
> I'm looking at upgrading back up into a VR4 from my
Eclipse GSX. I
> previously had a '94 VR4. If I'm thinking of
upgrading the car
> into the 400
> HP range, which year is best to
start with? On the Eclipse, in '92 they
> upgraded a bunch of
driveline stuff, and in '93 the tranny got a little
> smoother. Is
there a similar set of years on the 3K's that I should watch
> out
for? Thanks in advance for the advice!
>
> -Matt
> '93
Eclipse GSX (12.89@105.3)
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Date:
Sat, 13 Feb 1999 18:07:56 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: AFC Defence
Barry, Dave, et all.
Super thread you guys. We
should charge people to read it.
Best
Darc
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Date:
Sun, 14 Feb 1999 05:02:27 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: What year is best to buy?
Matt...
Too bad you didn't
keep the '94 VR4. The '94, '95, or '96 VR4s would be my
recommendation for
the reasons Barry already mentioned (block design
improvements from the first
generation models) along with the body style,
features, and functions. I
believe '95 is the year Mitsu dropped the
"tunable exhaust", but it won't
matter if you replace it with a free flow
system. The six speed, while
somewhat problematic from a repair perspective,
has good gear ratios for both
street and highway driving.
Overall, my favorite car in the whole wide
world. Mine isn't a substitute
for a Viper, Corvette, NSX, or Supra TT, I've
driven all of them. The VR4 is
an all around winner...for looks and
performance!!! I suppose it's only fair
to add, that if someone wanted to
loan me a Ferrari or TT Porsche for a few
weeks, I'd feel compelled to give
them a fair appraisal. :-)
Looking forward...Chris
1995
Glacier Pearl White VR4 (w/HKS Super Flo intake, HKS SBOV, Predator dry
cell
battery, bored and polished throttle body, Magnecore 8.5mm wires, HKS
double
platinum plugs gapped at .034", GReddy PRofec A boost controller,
GReddy
turbo timer, ATR downpipe and test pipe, GReddy catback exhaust,
Eibach 1"
drop progressive springs)
- -----Original Message-----
From: Matt
Jannusch [mailto:mattj@fallon.com]
Sent: Saturday,
February 13, 1999 5:19 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Team3S: What year is best to buy?
I'm looking at upgrading back up
into a VR4 from my Eclipse GSX. I
previously had a '94 VR4. If
I'm thinking of upgrading the car into the 400
HP range, which year is best
to start with? On the Eclipse, in '92 they
upgraded a bunch of
driveline stuff, and in '93 the tranny got a little
smoother. Is there
a similar set of years on the 3K's that I should watch
out for? Thanks
in advance for the advice!
- -Matt
'93 Eclipse GSX (12.89@105.3)
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Date:
Sun, 14 Feb 1999 12:22:49 -0500
From: Irving & Ana Jimenez <lt1power@crystal.palace.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: AFC Defence (ECU relearn ??)
> Older ECUs are less
sensitive to this but newer (especially ODB-II) can be
> very picky.
When I got my MASC dialed in I no longer had any codes or CE
Quick
question,
In what year did they start putting the OBD-II computers in the
3000GTVR4's ?
Irving
"96 VR4 - and all the hardware is on its
way :o)
( should have a 400HP VR4 sometime NEXT week
:oD
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Date:
Sun, 14 Feb 1999 12:12:28 -0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject:
Team3S: RE: Question for the 6spd maven
The part # for the 5 speed
Transfer case up to 93.5: MB936389 (W5MG1
Transmission with
a 25 spline transfer case)
The Part # for the 6 speed Transfer case
93.5+: MB896326
(W6MG1 6
speed transmission)
To the best of my knowledge the 93
transfer case had an all aluminum
housing. The 93.5+ for the six speed
had a cast iron housing on the front
of it.
I know the mounting
position on the six speed was different than the 5
speed. It would be a
good assumption that if you bought the 93 transfer
case & output shaft,
you would have to sell them both when converting to the
six
speed.
Bare bones minimum to do the 5-6 speed
swap:
Transmission: W6mg1: MB896324
Transfer
case:
MB896326
Rear end
Gears:
MB185450 (3.307 gears, may need some sort
of shim pack,
depending on how to
properly
set the ring
& pinion gears up)
DriveShaft
assembly: MR111394
You can either buy a new one, or
have yours lengthened about an inch
(measure
Before you
send it to a driveshaft shop)
To make the install
"right"
Add these part #'s
Shifter
Cables:
MR102669
Those of you with the 91-93.4 cars:
Shifter
lever:
911854
Pivot:
911858
I hope this helps, for those of you who may wish to organize
this
information and post it to the 3si or 300gt web pages, feel free
to
change/edit the format of this post. Please mention where you got
the
information from though.
> Brad
Member of ESSC since
1999>
> Check out my home page: http://lonestar.texas.net/~bbedell
>
E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com
ICQ# 3612682
- -----Original Message-----
From: Aso8@aol.com [mailto:Aso8@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, February
14, 1999 9:35 AM
To: bbedell@austin.rr.com
Cc: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Question for the 6spd
maven
Hi Brad, If you can't answer this one I don't know who else to
ask.
On my 91 I have the small 18 fin spline output shaft. I just ordered
the new
one from Kormex. If I changed my order to the 25 fin spline output
shaft, I
know I'll need a new 25 fin transfer case.
The question is -
would the new 25 spline transfer case work on any year 5
or
6 spd tranny
that has the 25 fins?
Arty 91 Vr-4
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Date:
Sun, 14 Feb 1999 12:34:16 -0600
From: "Jeff" <jw461@nstar.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
AFC Defence (ECU relearn ??)
All 1996 and newer models had OBDII as well
as California emissions equipped
1995 models. 1994 and 49-state 1995
models did not have it.
jeff
'95 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 Spyder
'90
Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
- -----Original Message-----
From: Irving &
Ana Jimenez <lt1power@crystal.palace.net>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date:
Sunday, February 14, 1999 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: AFC Defence (ECU
relearn ??)
>
>
>> Older ECUs are less sensitive to
this but newer (especially ODB-II) can
be
>> very picky. When
I got my MASC dialed in I no longer had any codes or CE
>
>Quick
question,
>
>In what year did they start putting the OBD-II
computers in the 3000GTVR4's
?
>
>Irving
>"96 VR4 - and all
the hardware is on its way :o)
>( should have a 400HP VR4 sometime NEXT
week :oD
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date:
Sun, 14 Feb 1999 20:22:40 +0100
From: Kevin Clark <Kevin.Clark@hnz.co.nz>
Subject:
Team3S: Aftermarket Cruise Controls...
Has anyone attempted (or know if
it is possible) to move
the cruise control lever from the original wheel to
an
aftermarket one? I am asking this as my car came with
an
aftermarket wheel and I am after a few alternatives to
reconnect the
cruise control.
Cheers,
Kevin Clark
'91 GTO-VR4
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Date:
Sun, 14 Feb 1999 12:41:44 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
AFC Defence (ECU relearn ??)
Partially implemented ODB-II code and/or
hardware actually started showing
up in 1994 but was not fully implemented
until 1996 for 49 state cars as
Jeff points out. The ECU connector
changed in 1994 to the ODB-II style
"semi-standard" plugs and the ODB-II
diagnostics port showed up except with
_all_ pins enabled, which is
non-standard.
This is why the 1994-1995 models are in data logger
no-man's land. Data
logging from the Mistubishi diagnostics port
doesn't quite work and ODB-II
logging from the ODB-II style port doesn't
quite work. Kind of sucks.
Regards,
Barry
>
-----Original Message-----
>
> All 1996 and newer models had OBDII
as well as California
> emissions equipped
> 1995 models. 1994
and 49-state 1995 models did not have it.
>
> jeff
> '95
Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 Spyder
> '90 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
>
>
-----Original Message-----
> >
> >Quick question,
>
>
> >In what year did they start putting the OBD-II computers in
the
> 3000GTVR4's
> ?
> >
> >Irving
>
>"96 VR4 - and all the hardware is on its way :o)
> >( should have a
400HP VR4 sometime NEXT week :oD
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Date:
Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:33:19 -0500
From: Brian Danley <bcdmad@concentric.net>
Subject:
Team3S: VPC Woes
Ok, I've only had the VPC in for a few weeks... but I
hate it!
The problem is I don't know enough about it and my car runs like
crap now.
I also put new injectors in this week (RC 560cc).
My car
was faster before the VPC. Before the injectors it wasn't bad ..not
great .. but not bad. Here is the story...
My car ran great a few
weeks ago, I was running about 1.1-1.109bar with no
problems. On
a hot day I might have to turn the boost down to a max of 1.1
bar due
to detonation (for safety). So I figure it's time to take the
plunge
and start moding again. I have already done the K&N and
exhaust/downpipe, no cats, DSBC, spark plugs gap .031 and new wires, gauges
and FPR. I did a NP fuel pump upgrade and the car ran even better than
before. The pump up grade was in preparation for the VPC and injector
upgrade. So while waiting for my injectors, I installed the VPC.
My idle
was great (better than before) with the stock injectors, but I
started to
get fuel cut at 1.09 bar. This was due to the removal of
the stock MAS
which makes the air flow a bit better so maybe 1.1 bar before
is like 1.0
bar now. Ok not what I wanted but I can live with that. So
I get the
injectors in and install them. No problem. I put a 550 VPC
chip in the VPC
and go for a ride. My car runs like crap! The
idle isn't too bad but I
can run anything over 1.0 bar with out my car
stumbling all over the place
(I don't think it's detonation but it's
close). If I run at 1/2 throttle I
can get to 1.0 bar without anything
happening, but even at low boost at WOT
my car freaks out. So I put
the stock injector chip back in (which will
still suck because at 1.1 bar I
get fuel cut) and it run about the same as
with the 550 chip. Also
while driving I try to adjust the gain and
response settings and watch the
egt for changes... nothing. It doesn't do
anything. The whole
idea behind running bigger injectors is to be able to
run more boost...
right now I can't even run the boost I had before....a
llot of time
and money spent for nothing! Also what are the lights on the
front of
the VPC for. Do they tell you any thing? Oh yea and I have a new
light now ... Check Engine! I reset the ECU and Walla it still
there!
This is a true daily driver... I have to drive it to work
tomorrow .. I
hope it makes it :(
I know it's only been a day since I
have had the injectors in ( thanks for
the optimism Todd) ..but I've been on
the road for hours (full tank of gas)
trying to get it to run right.
I'm not looking for my car to run high 11's
right now .. I just want it to
run down the street..
Head hung low cuz he can't figure this
out..
Brian AKA Gammara
PS: I had to run and do a few
things today... everyone wanted to race me (
3 vettes, several f-bodies, 1
cobra, a GTS Viper lic. plate 4re-etr and one
Honda..Sticker Boy) all within
a 10 mile radius. It's like a had a sticker
on the back of my car
saying "My cars running like shit ..I might be able
to run the 1/4 in
20seconds.. come race me!"
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Date:
Mon, 15 Feb 1999 00:40:04 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Aftermarket Cruise Controls...
> Has anyone attempted (or know
if it is possible) to move
> the cruise control lever from the original
wheel to an
> aftermarket one? I am asking this as my car came with
an
> aftermarket wheel and I am after a few alternatives to
>
reconnect the cruise control.
As this lever has only four positions I
can't see why it wouldn't work with just
a small box and three buttons. Of
course the wires must be connected properly
but should be
easy.
Regards,
Roger
- -----------------------
Roger Gerl,
Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
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Date:
Mon, 15 Feb 1999 00:51:08 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: VPC Woes
Brian,
Just a dumb question :
What have
you done to the MAS connector after installing the VPC ? As the MAS
also has
the barometric and temperature sensor in it the ECU should see any
signal
then. Otherwise, you'll probably run exactly into your problems you have
now.
I have the VPC at home but haven't found anything of information about
the
MAS connector.
Hope to learn before I do the install :)
-
-----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo
(Animale Rosso)
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Date:
Mon, 15 Feb 1999 03:20:18 +0100
From: Kevin Clark <Kevin.Clark@hnz.co.nz>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Aftermarket Cruise Controls...
> As this lever has only
four positions I can't see why it
> wouldn't work with just a small box
and three buttons.
> Of course the wires must be connected properly but
should
> be easy.
Yes, this is an option, in fact I can even buy a
cruise control
box from my local electronics store that would do the job
nicely.
I was really after a way of avoiding adding yet ANOTHER set
of
buttons/component to the interior of the car, and I'm pretty
handy with
a glue gun :)
Of course I could add another function to the PC
controller
currently acting as an mp3 player, I am already looking
into
taking an input from the radar detector so that I can mute the
stereo
when it goes off... maybe if I hook up the cruise
control and somehow
gear up a way of applying the breaks I
can add more smarts, still, it sounds
a little icky to me :)
Cheers,
Kevin Clark
'91 GTO-VR4
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