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Team3S Digest        Friday, February 12 1999        Volume 01 : Number 099




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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:34:36 -0500
From: Michael Booker <mrbook@gate.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Progressive Insurance - Anybody covered by them?

Bob Fontana wrote:
>
> I received a pre-approved "Guaranteed Acceptance Card" from Progressive.  I
> called the 800 number and, even with one ticket two years ago, apples to
> apples coverage comparison with State Farm, Progressive is $920 per year vs.
> $1260 per I have been paying.
>
> I'd be interested in hearing comments from anyone who has direct, personal
> experience with these folks.  Particularly, how quickly would they increase
> rates for getting a ticket (I'm planning on doing some fast driving soon) or
> being involved in an accident.  Also, how fair are they when it comes to
> damage claim payments, etc.
>
> I've been with State Farm for 10 years without a claim and they can't cancel
> me, but it appears that they've been embezzling about $350 per year from me.
>
> -Bob
>
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
Yup, i definately am!! I have full coverage, on a luxury car, (as we all
unfortunately know), i have 23 poimts on my license, and a claim, as
well as being 21 and single, and they only charge me 2000 a year. They
took me after state farm cancelled MY WHOLE FAMILY because of MY bad
driving record.

Matt
#311
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:42:46 EST
From: Lomcevak@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Progressive Insurance - Anybody covered by them?

In a message dated 99-02-11 14:32:15 EST, you write:

<< hey
 took me after state farm cancelled MY WHOLE FAMILY because of MY bad
 driving record. >>

   My first experience with state farm took place several months after getting
my drivers license at age 17. I was covered under my parents auto policy, and
after 2 tickets -(one speeding (supposedly not on my record due to traffic
school) and one reckless driving ( I though the idea WAS to drive wreckless) -
they sent my folks a letter of cancellation pending unless I was removed from
the policy. The tickets were about 2 months apart - they did'nt raise the
rates first or send any notices - it was cancellation right now.
   I have since aged a bit and have a clean record, and State Farm has never
been able to compete with the other carriers on price.  I am currently with
Allstate and pay $800 for full coverage on my '91 3000GT SL and '97 Ranger
pick up.
   One more note - Allstate has a couple of features I like - such as paying
the bill by phone and Visa, and during 10 months out of the year, they give
you 30 days leeway on making the payments without penalty.

   Steve C
   '91 3000SL (over-insured , under-powered), (still a landmark on most Ky
roadmaps)
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:04:26 PST
From: "Nathan Crisman" <spyder_talon@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Team3S Digest V1 #98

i have a 92 Stealth TT, and I sp[un a rod bearing on the #1 cyl.

Im sure this was caused by something other than weaknessin the bottem
end, my car was beat up pretty bad by the previous owner.

doesn anyone know if 14b's will fit on a stealth TT..these are stock on
the Eclipse/Talon 1G's (manual tranny) these are alot cheaper than
getting used stealth turbo's!

Nathan Crisman

- -   Im just curious - with all the talk of the 91-92 main bearing girdle
only
having 2 bolts per bearing journal - has anyone had or seen a MAIN
bearing
fail on a 91-92 6G72? While the extra bolts can obviously only be
stronger, I   I have seen / heard of several reports of bearing failures
(including my
own) - however, they have all been ROD bearings. These, too, were
changed in
the 93-on vehicles - to a fitted bearing.    SteveC  
think some are going a bit overboard with the early engines weakness.
Even
with the 2-bolt cfg, this is a beefy main bearing setup.






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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:04:43 PST
From: "Nathan Crisman" <spyder_talon@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: 14B Turbo's

i have a 92 Stealth TT, and I sp[un a rod bearing on the #1 cyl.

Im sure this was caused by something other than weaknessin the bottem
end, my car was beat up pretty bad by the previous owner.

doesn anyone know if 14b's will fit on a stealth TT..these are stock on
the Eclipse/Talon 1G's (manual tranny) these are alot cheaper than
getting used stealth turbo's!

Nathan Crisman

- -   Im just curious - with all the talk of the 91-92 main bearing girdle
only
having 2 bolts per bearing journal - has anyone had or seen a MAIN
bearing
fail on a 91-92 6G72? While the extra bolts can obviously only be
stronger, I   I have seen / heard of several reports of bearing failures
(including my
own) - however, they have all been ROD bearings. These, too, were
changed in
the 93-on vehicles - to a fitted bearing.    SteveC  
think some are going a bit overboard with the early engines weakness.
Even
with the 2-bolt cfg, this is a beefy main bearing setup.






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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:19:17 -0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: 14B Turbo's

Nope, the eclipse 14b is a TD05. You would have to make new O2 housings,
headers, oil, coolant lines, and intake piping.

> Brad
Member of ESSC since 1999>
> Check out my home page:    http://lonestar.texas.net/~bbedell
> E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682


- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com] On Behalf Of Nathan Crisman
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 1999 4:05 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: 14B Turbo's

i have a 92 Stealth TT, and I sp[un a rod bearing on the #1 cyl.

Im sure this was caused by something other than weaknessin the bottem
end, my car was beat up pretty bad by the previous owner.

doesn anyone know if 14b's will fit on a stealth TT..these are stock on
the Eclipse/Talon 1G's (manual tranny) these are alot cheaper than
getting used stealth turbo's!

Nathan Crisman

- -   Im just curious - with all the talk of the 91-92 main bearing girdle
only
having 2 bolts per bearing journal - has anyone had or seen a MAIN
bearing
fail on a 91-92 6G72? While the extra bolts can obviously only be
stronger, I   I have seen / heard of several reports of bearing failures
(including my
own) - however, they have all been ROD bearings. These, too, were
changed in
the 93-on vehicles - to a fitted bearing.    SteveC
think some are going a bit overboard with the early engines weakness.
Even
with the 2-bolt cfg, this is a beefy main bearing setup.






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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:19:10 -0600
From: "Wendlandt, Mark (MN51)" <MWendlan@cfsmo.honeywell.com>
Subject: Team3S: aluminum or stainless y-pipe

I'm looking for an aluminum or stainless y-pipe.  Does anyone know who makes
a decent one.  The ones that I've seen available are mild steel and painted.
As you can tell, I'm trying to dress things up!

Mark
'91RT/TT

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:55:30 -0600
From: "Todd D Shelton" <tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Team3S Digest V1 #98

I totally agree and think it's worth noting that there are plenty of
Supras making a LOT of HP (some > 700 hp) - all with 2
bolt cfg's.  I've broken a few parts myself but never anything
due to having a 2 bolt cfg.


- - tds

P.S. - still running my original small spline tranny too (50K miles
and smooth as silk [for a Getrag])


http://www.brightok.net/~tds


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    -----Original Message-----
    From: Nathan Crisman <spyder_talon@hotmail.com>
    To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
    Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 4:07 PM
    Subject: Team3S: Re: Team3S Digest V1 #98
   
   
   
    think some are going a bit overboard with the early engines weakness.
    Even with the 2-bolt cfg, this is a beefy main bearing setup.
   
   
   
   
   
   
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:12:41 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Team3S Digest V1 #98

Todd D Shelton wrote:

> snip
>
> P.S. - still running my original small spline tranny too (50K miles
> and smooth as silk [for a Getrag])
>

Just curious Todd...what fluid are you running in it (the tranny)?

Best

Darc

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:20:38 -0500
From: Irving & Ana Jimenez <lt1power@crystal.palace.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Progressive Insurance - Anybody covered by them?

> Yup, i definately am!! I have full coverage, on a luxury car, (as we all
> unfortunately know), i have 23 poimts on my license, and a claim, as
> well as being 21 and single, and they only charge me 2000 a year. They
> took me after state farm cancelled MY WHOLE FAMILY because of MY bad
> driving record.

You just made my driving record look a whole lot better. :o)

Irving
96 VR4 ( 12 pts, 2 susp . . .  and counting :o)


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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:14:34 EST
From: TJHTAX@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Progressive Insurance - Anybody covered by them?

I have been with Progressive for 6 months and they seem to be a good company.
Tom
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:15:34 -0600
From: "Todd D. Shelton" <tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Team3S Digest V1 #98

I've been using MT-90 for quiet some time and
switched to the Shockproof Heavy for the transfer case
(instead of the other Redline I was using) on Jack's recommedation.
I've also been using the solid bushings since ~ 95.


- - tds

p.s. - I usually change tranny fluids about every 5K or so -
sometimes more often on the transfer case since its so quick and easy.

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From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca <wce@bc.sympatico.ca>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Team3S Digest V1 #98


>
>Just curious Todd...what fluid are you running in it (the tranny)?


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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:44:02 -0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: Team3S Digest V1 #98

Todd, I agree on frequent changing of fluid on the transfer case.  As it
only takes .29 qts.  Cheap and easy.
Solid bushings? On what? Where?

> Brad
Member of ESSC since 1999>
> Check out my home page:    http://lonestar.texas.net/~bbedell
> E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682


 (instead of the other Redline I was using) on Jack's recommedation.
I've also been using the solid bushings since ~ 95.


- - tds

p.s. - I usually change tranny fluids about every 5K or so -
sometimes more often on the transfer case since its so quick and easy.


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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 03:27:13 EST
From: PFloyd91@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Lou Fusz Mitsubishi

In a message dated 2/10/99 8:48:54 PM Central Standard Time,
wjcrabtree@sprintmail.com writes:

<< PLEASE, all of you, do me a favor and BOYCOTT LOU FUSZ MITSUBISHI (and
 any of the "Fusz" dealerships in and around St. Louis, Missouri)until
 this matter is resolved. >>

Hi Jeff ---

The contrast is interesting --- I've only had three dealings with Fusz in the
5 years since I got my first Eclipse, and just had the 3000 in there yesterday
for some minor stuff -- it's funny as soon as I got home from picking it up,
I checked my email and there was your message -- anyway, I've been
pleased with their service. About two years ago, the silver paint on the roof,
hood and trunk deck of my '93 Eclipse began to checker -- I took it to Fusz,
they looked at it and set up an appointment the next time the district manager
was there, he looked at it and they gave me what amounted to about a $1000
paint job for nothing --- and it was a good one too ---

I have no personal interest in Fusz in any way, but on that situation I was
a happy customer. Of course the next time may be totally different.

John Hitzeman
'95 3000GT
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 03:35:44 EST
From: PFloyd91@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Re: St. Louis Area Owners???

In a message dated 2/9/99 10:37:32 AM Central Standard Time,
wce@bc.sympatico.ca writes:

<< The object is to have
 a "friendly technical" forum, with an emphasis on the technical, but not
 at the expense of friendship. Everything in moderation/balence. >>


After reading this -- I asume I can post the following -----

Would the people on the list who live in the Greater Metropolitan St. Louis
Area possibly be interested in getting together some nice spring afternoon
to look at, drool over and discuss our cars???

If you are intersted, contact me off list and let's see what we can put
together.
It might be fun. It also might provide the opportunity for those of us who are
newbies to the technical world of our cars, such as myself, to see what
you more experienced folks have been doing.

John Hitzeman
 Pfloyd91@aol.com
'95 3000GT
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:42:29 +0100
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?=" <vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: Team3S: SWEDISH DYNOTEST (long)

Hi Team3S members,

I had my car on a DYNO yesterday and let's say that I'm a little disappointed and confused.

I haven't scanned the charts yet. The dyno is a MAHA/Sun electric company dyno. Interesting for you guys to know is that Sun electric company is a US company. This is the same brand of dyno that Jim, Mike and Roger tested their cars on.

I have much lower values than Roger and the others. :( and when I say lower I mean lower on ALL values.

P-norm 228,6 kw (DIN 70020)
P-eng 241,0 kw
P-wheel 163
P-loss 78kw
Max  kw 4970 rpm

Torque 450NM at 3140 rpm
Top speed 188
Max RPM 5130

My boost was 0.9 -0.95  all the time and the NM curve was almost 450 from very low rpm's all the way up to 5000.

My max NM was 2000 rpm's lower that Jim's !!!!!!!


So the question now is: What can be wrong with my car?

Mitsu 3000GT 93 50K miles
Original 9B turbos
HKS supermega flow
Blitz DSBC set at 1.0 -1
Magnecor 8,5 and NGK plugs (~0.32)
Original precats
Complete ATR exhaust with cat and DP

The car runs good and have no problems with missfires or something like that atleast not that I can feel. I have no problems doing under 5 sec to 100km/h on the Gtech (4.41 personal best).

First I thought that I have an airflow problem because my CO was 11.7 at peak HP  and Lambda 0.761. So I can add more air without any problem.

Do I have a flow problem with my HKS filter? If I had bad airflow, should I be able to hold .95 bar thru the whole rpm range?

Bad turbos? I have no oil in intake and no bad sounds from the turbos and the boost is building fast and no problem to hold boost.

I know that I don't have a missreaded boost value because I measured boost at three different gauges and locations and all indicated almost exact the same values.

I guess that the boost should not build up if I had a restriction on the intake side. Right??  So I think it's more likely that I have problems on the exhaust side.

Other things I check is:

- -Is the timing belt (cam position) installet correctly? (Mitsu changed my belt a few weeks ago)

- -Are the precats clogged? (I gut those babies this weekend)

- - Compression test will be performed. Anyone knows what value it's supposed to be if everything is OK??

My hope is now on you guys to help me with tons of suggestions about where I can find my 50 lost ponies :)

The good thing is that the guy with the dyno felt a little sorry for my so he will let me test the car again for 15$ when I think I have found the problem :)

Mikael "Still confused but on a higher level"

BTW later tonight I will post the chart on my web page http://www.bahnhof.se/~vr4



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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:28:06 -0600
From: Bill Davis <b-davis@primary.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Lou Fusz Mitsubishi

Jeff,

I was absolutely floored when I read your post. They still had my car.
I went to pick it up last night, and all but one thing they were suppose
to do was done, and done well. The one thing they did not do, that I had
asked to have done was change the oil. I called them back and told Kevin
in the service dept this, and he said he screwed up by not putting it on the
ticket when I called him, to bring the car in Saturday,
and the oil change was on the house.

I want to know who you were dealing with.

I have bought my last three cars from these guys, two 3KGT's, and
my wifes 98 Regal. It really ticks me off to find out that the same place
I have sent many friends to, to get various work done on their cars, has
done this to you, and I will tell them how I feel about it.
For whatever that may be worth.

I have to say though, they did the rework on my wifes 98 Regal last
summer, after our son did $8000.00 worth of, mostly body damage to it.
The car looks brand new, as it was before it was used for an off road trip.
I looked my car over very carefully after reading your post, I am totally
satisfied with the work they did. I must point out though, even though
my car went in through the collision repair center, the service dept did
95% of the work on it, Wheels, tires, strut, and when they found the water
pump leaking they called me to ask if I wanted to go ahead and do the
timing belt while they were in there.

It is not actually possible for me to boycott these guys, both of
my cars are warrantied by them, but I can sure let them know how I
feel about the way they treated you.

They were even washing my car when I went to pick it up last night.
It almost sounds like we are talking about two different dealerships.
I am totally dismayed by this.

Bill Davis (back on the road)95  VR-4




Jeff Crabtree wrote:

>
> --
> -Jeff Crabtree
>    '91 Stealth R/T Turbo
>       '93 Jeep YJ Wrangler Sport
>          St. Louis, MO
>
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 07:41:26 -0700
From: "Palamara, Peter" <pala@gwl.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: RE: Fuel questions

I thought hks has a dual setup for injectors where two injectors would
sit in a single cup design??? IM not sure how well this would fit but
looking it should work??? And then use like you said the aic from hks to
control the other 6.

> ----------
> From: Aso8@aol.com[SMTP:Aso8@aol.com]
> Reply To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 1:05 PM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Cc: Aso8@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: Fuel questions
>
> Brad, I think since I already have the ECU set up for 550cc, I may be
> taking a
> chance on going back to the stock 360cc and may run to lean. I am
> considering
> putting in more injectors & I'd like to use the six 360's I have
> laying
> around. Maybe leaving the 550's & using the AIC with six stock 360's
> would
> work. I don't know if it would be as good? I'd have to get/modify a
> new rail.
> It guess it would be cheeper then buying 6 new $185.00 injectors.
>  Arty,

>  Your best setup would be put the stock injectors in the stock
> location.

>  And run a second set of 550's on the manifold somewhere.  Get a
> Haltech,
>  Motec or similar to control all 12 injectors.
>  You should be able to pass emissions with that setup.  Cost will be
> the
>  major factor though. You will be looking at 4k-8k depending on the
> computer
>  and complexity of the setup.
>  > Brad
>   >>
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:48:02 -0600
From: Todd D Shelton <tshelton@samedan.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Brad - bushings

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This would be the trannie cable bushings where they attach to
the levers on top of the transaxle.  The stock ones are very soft -
allowing slop.  I replaced them with metal ones made for the DSM's -
they are the same size as ours.


- - tds

- -------------------------------------------------


Brad Bedell wrote:
 

> Solid bushings? On what? Where?
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 07:59:17 -0700
From: "Palamara, Peter" <pala@gwl.com>
Subject: Team3S: Speaking of dyno's

I stopped down at action turbos here in Denver Colorado the other day
and found out they are installing a dyno but only for 2 wheel drives not
4 :( But for anyone who as front or rear drive go check them out in
about a month (thats when it should be completed). Paul said they are
charging $75 for 1/2 hr. I just may have to see what my Q45 puts out :)


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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:33:55 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: Fuel questions

Hi Peter, yes. This works but I'm not to thrilled about the way the injectors
get mounted with this setup. I'm putting a lot of $ into the motor & I'm
trying to keep it safe as possible to avoid any future damage.The costs of the
alternatives Vs this setup I have not determined. Money being a big factor,
may decide for me? I wish I could have started all over from scratch with just
a shell. Building a street/strip car is a lot different then a race car. To
much spent on street/strip to go full race. I would need to change everything
all over again. I'm going to add a bit more & be happy with a really fast
weekend/race car, still street drivable. I have no doubt low 10's maybe hi 9's
with a top speed 200mph+. Going to do the Bonny flats for that little gold
engine plate. Time & money will tell. Hoping to get it back together by
summer.
Arty 91 VR-4

In a message dated 2/12/99 6:46:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, pala@gwl.com
writes:

<< Subj: RE: Team3S: RE: Fuel questions
 Date: 2/12/99 6:46:01 AM Pacific Standard Time
 From: pala@gwl.com (Palamara, Peter)
 Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 Reply-to: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com ('stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com')
 
 I thought hks has a dual setup for injectors where two injectors would
 sit in a single cup design??? IM not sure how well this would fit but
 looking it should work??? And then use like you said the aic from hks to
 control the other 6.
 
 > ----------
 > From: Aso8@aol.com[SMTP:Aso8@aol.com]
 > Reply To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 1:05 PM
 > To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 > Cc: Aso8@aol.com
 > Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: Fuel questions
 >
 > Brad, I think since I already have the ECU set up for 550cc, I may be
 > taking a
 > chance on going back to the stock 360cc and may run to lean. I am
 > considering
 > putting in more injectors & I'd like to use the six 360's I have
 > laying
 > around. Maybe leaving the 550's & using the AIC with six stock 360's
 > would
 > work. I don't know if it would be as good? I'd have to get/modify a
 > new rail.
 > It guess it would be cheeper then buying 6 new $185.00 injectors.
 >  Arty,
 > 
 >  Your best setup would be put the stock injectors in the stock
 > location.
 > 
 >  And run a second set of 550's on the manifold somewhere.  Get a
 > Haltech,
 >  Motec or similar to control all 12 injectors.
 >  You should be able to pass emissions with that setup.  Cost will be
 > the
 >  major factor though. You will be looking at 4k-8k depending on the
 > computer
 >  and complexity of the setup.
 >  > Brad >>
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:15:35 -0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: SWEDISH DYNOTEST (long)

The only thing I can see that you have different than Roger is the 9b
turbos. Roger has 13g.

> Brad
Member of ESSC since 1999>
> Check out my home page:    http://lonestar.texas.net/~bbedell
> E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682


- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com] On Behalf Of Mikael Åkesson
Sent: Friday, February 12, 1999 4:42 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: SWEDISH DYNOTEST (long)

Hi Team3S members,

I had my car on a DYNO yesterday and let's say that I'm a little
disappointed and confused.

I haven't scanned the charts yet. The dyno is a MAHA/Sun electric company
dyno. Interesting for you guys to know is that Sun electric company is a US
company. This is the same brand of dyno that Jim, Mike and Roger tested
their cars on.

I have much lower values than Roger and the others. :( and when I say lower
I mean lower on ALL values.

P-norm 228,6 kw (DIN 70020)
P-eng 241,0 kw
P-wheel 163
P-loss 78kw
Max  kw 4970 rpm

Torque 450NM at 3140 rpm
Top speed 188
Max RPM 5130

My boost was 0.9 -0.95  all the time and the NM curve was almost 450 from
very low rpm's all the way up to 5000.

My max NM was 2000 rpm's lower that Jim's !!!!!!!


So the question now is: What can be wrong with my car?

Mitsu 3000GT 93 50K miles
Original 9B turbos
HKS supermega flow
Blitz DSBC set at 1.0 -1
Magnecor 8,5 and NGK plugs (~0.32)
Original precats
Complete ATR exhaust with cat and DP

The car runs good and have no problems with missfires or something like that
atleast not that I can feel. I have no problems doing under 5 sec to 100km/h
on the Gtech (4.41 personal best).

First I thought that I have an airflow problem because my CO was 11.7 at
peak HP  and Lambda 0.761. So I can add more air without any problem.

Do I have a flow problem with my HKS filter? If I had bad airflow, should I
be able to hold .95 bar thru the whole rpm range?

Bad turbos? I have no oil in intake and no bad sounds from the turbos and
the boost is building fast and no problem to hold boost.

I know that I don't have a missreaded boost value because I measured boost
at three different gauges and locations and all indicated almost exact the
same values.

I guess that the boost should not build up if I had a restriction on the
intake side. Right??  So I think it's more likely that I have problems on
the exhaust side.

Other things I check is:

- -Is the timing belt (cam position) installet correctly? (Mitsu changed my
belt a few weeks ago)

- -Are the precats clogged? (I gut those babies this weekend)

- - Compression test will be performed. Anyone knows what value it's supposed
to be if everything is OK??

My hope is now on you guys to help me with tons of suggestions about where I
can find my 50 lost ponies :)

The good thing is that the guy with the dyno felt a little sorry for my so
he will let me test the car again for 15$ when I think I have found the
problem :)

Mikael "Still confused but on a higher level"

BTW later tonight I will post the chart on my web page
http://www.bahnhof.se/~vr4



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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:20:16 -0800
From: Ken Middaugh <middaugh@omega.gat.com>
Subject: Team3S: Speaking of fluids...

I just put Redline Heavy Shockproof in the differential.  Is this OK?  A
buddy mentioned that limited slip differentials are supposed to have a
friction modifier added.  Anybody know about this?

Thanks,
Ken

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Ken Middaugh
General Atomics
San Diego
(619) 455-4510
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:46:31 -0600
From: "Gendron, Curt" <Curt.Gendron@westgroup.com>
Subject: Team3S: "Minnesota 3/S" updates

Hey everyone,

I've made some updates to the Minnesota 3/S website.

1)  Revamped the mods section.  Each type of mod has its own page (not all
of them work yet).

2)  Added a new member and listed members modifications in the 'Minn.
Memebers' section.

3)  Added more detail in the Events section.  Including a map to Rock Falls
Raceway.

4)  Added more owners links in the Links section.  I think there are 48
owners links now.  WOW!

Thats all for now.  Enjoy!

Thanks for reading,
Curt G
95 R/T TT
and author of Minnesota 3/S at:
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Shop/1044/

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