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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:15:27 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Turbo upgrade stages (Changed to headers)
> I used a pneumatic
die grinder and some carbide bits available at tool
> stores (such as
ToolTown) to port match the manifolds. Extrudehoning for
> the
purposes of smoothing the surface will not help much, but if you can
>
remove some material it might.
We'll use a sand blasting method with very
hard marbles (or something like this)
when the headers are done. This should
provide the best finish on the inside and
should also smoothen the welds on
the inside.
> I agree that the headers aren't worth the hassle or
cost.
If they'd be of good quality I think they would help to achieve
better results
due to their design compared with the stock manifolds. What I
got is not good
and it take another $400 at least to make them usable
!
> How about an alternative of Extrude/honed the stock headers? Can
we get a
> comparative guess of the results vs. IMP & Huff
headers.
I've taken some pictures of the work and placed it onto a page
on my site. Have
a look at them under :
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/9589/headers.html
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-----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo
(Animale Rosso)
K&N FIPK,Magnecor wires,Blitz DSBC/gauge/Dual Timer,Apexi
AFC,HKS SBOV,
ATR DP/ tespipe,Borla Cat-back,OZ Mito2 rims,Yoko
AVS-Z1,braided brake lines,
Bremsa brakes,Pagid RS-R pads
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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:16:20 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Fuel
questions
To support a target of 800 to 850HP, it would appear that 6
injectors would
need to be sized at 950cc - Or a combination of additional
injectors along
with my existing 550's. My current (was upgraded) pump can
only support 165
dead head pressure at 90gph. Translated into GPH, what size
pump would I need?
And, if you have a reliable pump suggestion...
Paxton?
In addition, if I used a 950cc injector, how will it idle or drive on
the
street?
Arty 91 VR-4
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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:43:46 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Progressive Insurance - Anybody covered by them?
I received a
pre-approved "Guaranteed Acceptance Card" from Progressive. I
called
the 800 number and, even with one ticket two years ago, apples to
apples
coverage comparison with State Farm, Progressive is $920 per year vs.
$1260
per I have been paying.
I'd be interested in hearing comments from anyone
who has direct, personal
experience with these folks. Particularly, how
quickly would they increase
rates for getting a ticket (I'm planning on doing
some fast driving soon) or
being involved in an accident. Also, how
fair are they when it comes to
damage claim payments, etc.
I've been
with State Farm for 10 years without a claim and they can't cancel
me, but it
appears that they've been embezzling about $350 per year from me.
-
-Bob
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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:45:03 -0600
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re:
Extrude hone headers?
Aso8@aol.com
wrote:
> Extrude hone stock headers?
> comparative results vs.
IMP/Huff headers.
> Arty 91 VR-4
The stock rear header is
(thicker) cast iron, and could be extrude honed
a meaningful amount.
The front header is TUBULAR stainless, and if you
remove a significant amount
of its wall thickness by extrude hone you
are asking for a fracture of the
metal tube...I could see some hand
porting of the FLANGES if necessary on the
front butam not really
excited about extrude honing a thin TUBE.
Jack
T.
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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:47:03 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Fuel questions
> And, if you have a reliable pump
suggestion... Paxton?
> In addition, if I used a 950cc injector, how will
it idle or drive on >
the street?
Arty, get those injectors and
you'll need a sign on the back "No Open Flames
Within 500 Feet". Plugs
loading up and emissions tests will be the biggest
headache.
-
-Bob
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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:51:21 -0600
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Re: Fuelcut; Injector Flow
Mike Chapleski wrote:
> If I read
correctly need not pay $600 for new injectors? Just
> buy FPR/fuel
pump, crank up psi?
> Mike 0018 '95 Stealth RT TT
Well,
maybe. But, the higher the PRESSURE you ask the pump to produce,
the
lower the VOLUME of fuel it can supply at that pressure. Pumps
can
produce more and more volume flow, as pressure decreases.
Less
resistance (pressure) = more flow (volume)...so could run into
early
fuelpump "running out of gas". It is better to get the bigger
injectors
and use them at the standard pressure, but upping pressure can be
used
as a last resort/tuning tweak/temporary until can get bigger
injectors.
Jack T.
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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:56:58 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Re: Fuelcut; Injector Flow
> If I read this correctly
you really do not have to pay $600+ for new injectors? Just
> buy a
new FPR and fuel pump, then crank up the psi.
Therefore the market for
bigger injectors is gone, LOL. Increasing the fuel
pressure a little is good
to tune in the system but double the fuel pressure to
get out 720cc of 360cc
is physically inpossible !
The explanation comes close to the volume and
power of a stereo amplifier.
People think that double the power gives you
twice the volume of the sound. This
is wrong because it only gives you about
50% more and for a real double in dB
you need 10 times the power. Another
explanation is the air resistance against
speed. Lets say the resistance at
100km/h is A (just for explanation) then at
200km/h the resistance is not 2*A
but it is A^2 (EXP).
In fluids this is not exactly the same as the
resistance is different but it is
close for about 2-4% for an explanation
compare to air resistance. Now if you
want 720cc/minute out of 360cc you have
to increase the 40psi to ... 1600psi ..
a little bit too high for the whole
system :) In fuel a typical raise of 2 times
the fuel pressure gives you
about 1.35 x flow. Therefore double the fuel
pressure from 40psi to 80psi
with 360cc you'll get virtually 486cc (428cc in
normal fluid) injectors. But
even double the pressure cannot (or should not )
rised to double as the spray
pattern of the injectors are changing to the bad
side and they cannot act
well then (not opening/closing fully)
Cranking up the fuel pressure by
about 15 psi helps as the pattern is still on
the good side and the flow is
getting better even with bigger injectors. As our
stock pressure is 43.5psi
(at least EU) setting it to 58psi means to get a max
flow of about 400cc per
minute.
Last but not least the fuel pump is a problem as it can provide a
high flow
level or a high pressure but not really both. A Porsche guy in
Switzerland ended
in three fuel pumps and, of course, they are expensive
too.
If my physics are not too old then I think it's still a good idea to
get at
least 550cc as an upgrade :) To bad as just increasing the fuel
pressure would
be a nice idea but we still cannot tweak Mr Newton. Also the
system learns and
over short or long the fuel pressure is adjusted back with
the feedback of the
O2 sensors.
Regards,
Roger
-
-----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo
(Animale Rosso)
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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:26:25 -0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Progressive Insurance - Anybody covered by them?
I used
progressive for about 4 years. Not sure why I am not with them
right
now...
They were quick to pay a claim, not a lot of hassle about the
aftermarket
stuff that got ripped off in my MR2.
I feel they treated
me fair, and did a great job in the customer service
dept.
>
Brad
Member of ESSC since 1999>
> Check out my home
page: http://lonestar.texas.net/~bbedell
>
E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com
ICQ# 3612682
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]
On Behalf Of Bob Fontana
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 12:44 PM
To:
3000/Stealth Technical List
Subject: Team3S: Progressive Insurance - Anybody
covered by them?
I received a pre-approved "Guaranteed Acceptance Card"
from Progressive. I
called the 800 number and, even with one ticket two
years ago, apples to
apples coverage comparison with State Farm, Progressive
is $920 per year vs.
$1260 per I have been paying.
I'd be interested
in hearing comments from anyone who has direct, personal
experience with
these folks. Particularly, how quickly would they increase
rates for
getting a ticket (I'm planning on doing some fast driving soon) or
being
involved in an accident. Also, how fair are they when it comes
to
damage claim payments, etc.
I've been with State Farm for 10 years
without a claim and they can't cancel
me, but it appears that they've been
embezzling about $350 per year from me.
- -Bob
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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:26:25 -0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject:
Team3S: RE: Fuel questions
Arty,
Your best setup would be put the
stock injectors in the stock location.
And run a second set of 550's on
the manifold somewhere. Get a Haltech,
Motec or similar to control all
12 injectors.
You should be able to pass emissions with that setup.
Cost will be the
major factor though. You will be looking at 4k-8k depending
on the computer
and complexity of the setup.
> Brad
Member of ESSC
since 1999>
> Check out my home page: http://lonestar.texas.net/~bbedell
>
E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com
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- -----Original Message-----
From: Aso8@aol.com [mailto:Aso8@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February
10, 1999 12:16 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com;
stealth@starnet.net
Cc: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Fuel questions
To
support a target of 800 to 850HP, it would appear that 6 injectors would
need
to be sized at 950cc - Or a combination of additional injectors along
with my
existing 550's. My current (was upgraded) pump can only support 165
dead head
pressure at 90gph. Translated into GPH, what size pump would I
need?
And,
if you have a reliable pump suggestion... Paxton?
In addition, if I used a
950cc injector, how will it idle or drive on the
street?
Arty 91
VR-4
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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:27:32 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Fuel
questions
Even now with the 550's (no cats) I get flames out the tail.
Looks kinda cool
at night.
Being that I'm longer using it as a daily
driver, won't be a problem. As long
as I can still drive it reasonably well
in street traffic?
Arty
> In addition, if I used a 950cc
injector, how will it idle or drive on >
the
street?
Arty, get those injectors and you'll need a sign on
the back "No Open Flames
Within 500 Feet". Plugs loading up and
emissions tests will be the biggest
headache.
-Bob
>>
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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 15:05:09 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: Fuel
questions
Brad, I think since I already have the ECU set up for 550cc, I
may be taking a
chance on going back to the stock 360cc and may run to lean.
I am considering
putting in more injectors & I'd like to use the six
360's I have laying
around. Maybe leaving the 550's & using the AIC with
six stock 360's would
work. I don't know if it would be as good? I'd have to
get/modify a new rail.
It guess it would be cheeper then buying 6 new $185.00
injectors.
Arty,
Your best setup would be put the
stock injectors in the stock location.
And run a second set
of 550's on the manifold somewhere. Get a Haltech,
Motec or
similar to control all 12 injectors.
You should be able to pass
emissions with that setup. Cost will be the
major factor though.
You will be looking at 4k-8k depending on the computer
and complexity
of the setup.
> Brad
>>
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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:11:45 -0500
From: RPM Motorsports <rpmmotorsport@adelphia.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Progressive Insurance - Anybody covered by them?
I've had a
policy under Progressive before. Normally they are the choice
for Insurance
Broker's sell policy's for. Progressive, Reliance, one
more company. I know
Progressive offers a lower policy if you have good
credit. I've seen some
good response and bad response from them. They
cancelled one of my customers
policies regarding the left of his 96
Accord with bodykit, rims and etc.
Because he was carjacked and the
police pulled him over and he was in the
vehicle, as the suspects fled.
So they thought that it was an insurance scam
and cancelled his policy.
They do seem to be a big insurance company though.
If you don't get in
any accidents, I would suggest moving over to them, they
do tend to have
a big price difference compared to AllState and Big Brand
Name insurance
companies like that.
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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:16:15 -0800
From: "Bill" <compren@lightspeed.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Brakes
Stopping distance is increasing and effort on the pedal to
stop is also
increasing...
-Bill/Home
>>
>Can you describe "starting to go"? As I mentioned last week, I've
got
over
>> >100k miles on my original brakes, and they're still
there everytime I
need
>> >them.
>
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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:16:57 -0500
From: RPM Motorsports <rpmmotorsport@adelphia.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Turbo upgrade stages (Changed to headers)
Hmm, I've taken a
look at Rogers pictures of his GT Alley headers, and
they seem to be near
identical headers to the IMP manifolds. I have
pictures of how raw and ugly
the welds look on the IMP manifolds if
anyone is interested. From what I can
see, both the IMP and GT Alley
suffer from the same amount of overweld's and
gaps in the welding. The
only difference seems to be in the
flange.
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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:28:26 -0500
From: RPM Motorsports <rpmmotorsport@adelphia.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Fuel questions
Bozz Speed is currently using a setup of six
550 injectors with the
utilization of (2) 550 additional injectors being
controlled by an FCON
V and GCC 2 in Japan for their GT2835 Turbo setup. From
the information
I've gathered, their car is putting out 600hp at least at the
wheels,
dynoed. Their choice of fuel pumps has been the Skyline R32 GT-R
fuel
pump. You could go with the external fuel pump like most Honda
cars are
and opt for the Gigantic Paxton External Pump. But the drawbacks
from
the External Pumps are that they are LOUD as HELL! At least from
my
experience with Bosche External Pumps for Honda's.
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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:09:54 -0500
From: Brian Danley <bcdmad@concentric.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Re: Fuelcut; Injector Flow
No. I wish. It
will help a little bit. Not allot. My injectors will be
here on
Thursday. I just did the fpr because I couldn't get the injectors
right away and I was getting to use to the speed of my car. I just
need to
do something. It helped a bit. But you have to be
careful with cranking
up the psi too much...it could screw up the
injector. I just pushed it up
about 10-12 psi. It helped and now
I am all setup for new injectors.
If I read this correctly you really do
not have to pay $600+ for new
injectors? Just
buy a new FPR and
fuel pump, then crank up the psi.
Mike
0018
'95 Stealth RT
TT
xwing wrote:
> R.G. wrote: [snips]
> > > I was
having ?light detonation or light fuel cut above 1 bar 5000rpm.
>
>
> there is no "light" fuel cut. Fuel cut you'll bite
> > steering
wheel when it kicks in. detonation cannot be heard in that
> >
area; what you felt was hesitation by retarded timing.
> > On dyno, A/F
ratio good enough, IDC came to 99%
> > IMHO, increasing fuel pressure
does not mean you'll increase
> > flow rate. They flow 360cc
fully open, that's it.
>
> Actually there may be a light
fuelcut...in DSM List posts, Todd Day went
> into the basis for 'light'
fuelcuts, but not in my memory exactly...
>
> Increased fuel
pressure WILL increase effective injector output per
> minute.
Raising delta P across the injector (fuelside to manifold
> side...fuel
pressure - manifold pressure = change in pressure across the
> injector)
will increase fuel delivery per unit time open.
>
> If at 0 pressure
differential, will obviously get NO flow.
> If at 43psi
differential will get
360cc/minute.
> If at 86psi
differential will get (360 X 2) X correction
factor
> for turbulence/entropy/Reynolds Number exceeded (or some such
Physics
> deal :) so end up with 509cc, not the 720cc the
pressure double
> suggests on its face.
>
> I checked my RC
Engineering factoid sheet and they (misprint I think)
> the formula, I
think actual is thus:
>
> To find fuelflow change from fuelpressure
change take: square root of
> (New psi/Old psi) X Old Flow = New
Flow.
>
> More realistic would be going from 43 to 60psi, would get
425cc/min out
> of "360cc" injectors.
>
> Jack
Tertadian
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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:21:55 -0500
From: Brian Danley <bcdmad@concentric.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Re: Fuelcut; Injector Flow
> If I read this
correctly you really do not have to pay $600+ for new
injectors?
Just
> buy a new FPR and fuel pump, then crank up the
psi.
Therefore the market for bigger injectors is gone, LOL. Increasing
the fuel
pressure a little is good to tune in the system but double the fuel
pressure to
get out 720cc of 360cc is physically inpossible !
The
explanation comes close to the volume and power of a stereo amplifier.
People
think that double the power gives you twice the volume of the sound.
This
is wrong because it only gives you about 50% more and for a real
double in
dB
you need 10 times the power. Another explanation is the air
resistance
against
speed. Lets say the resistance at 100km/h is A (just
for explanation) then
at
200km/h the resistance is not 2*A but it is A^2
(EXP).
[Brian Danley] You are very right. It took me $3000 to
hit 148db on the
dash. It took another 15,000 to hit 156db on the
dash. Law of diminishing
returns.
You said it right "it's a
great tool for tuning". That's it. It's not a
replacement for a
good fuel upgrade.
Brian
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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:26:08 -0500
From: Brian Danley <bcdmad@concentric.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Progressive Insurance - Anybody covered by them?
I used to
use them. They come right to the accident and cut a check in
most
cases. They won't insure me in Texas. In FL I had a few tickets but
it wasn't to bad...It takes them a while to catch up. Just don't go
changing the deductibles and stuff... then they'll run your record
again.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bob Fontana [SMTP:bfontana@securitytechnologies.com]
Sent:
Wednesday, February 10, 1999 1:44 PM
To: 3000/Stealth Technical
List
Subject: Team3S: Progressive Insurance - Anybody covered by
them?
I received a pre-approved "Guaranteed Acceptance Card" from
Progressive. I
called the 800 number and, even with one ticket two
years ago, apples to
apples coverage comparison with State Farm, Progressive
is $920 per year
vs.
$1260 per I have been paying.
I'd be
interested in hearing comments from anyone who has direct,
personal
experience with these folks. Particularly, how quickly would
they increase
rates for getting a ticket (I'm planning on doing some fast
driving soon)
or
being involved in an accident. Also, how fair are
they when it comes to
damage claim payments, etc.
I've been with State
Farm for 10 years without a claim and they can't
cancel
me, but it
appears that they've been embezzling about $350 per year from
me.
-
-Bob
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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:55:03 -0600
From: Jeff Crabtree <wjcrabtree@sprintmail.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Progressive Insurance - Anybody covered by them?
Bob Fontana
wrote:
> I received a pre-approved "Guaranteed Acceptance Card" from
Progressive. I
> called the 800 number and, even with one ticket two
years ago, apples to
> apples coverage comparison with State Farm,
Progressive is $920 per year vs.
> $1260 per I have been
paying....
Bob,
I had progressive for a long
time too, but when it was time to renew, I ended up
getting a much better
rate from a company called "INTEGON". They are a GMAC company
that has
low rates for really good drivers(yeah, like I'm one of
those...HAR!!!!!)
ANYWAY.......When I had my accident in Novemeber,
they(integon) were pretty good about
the whole thing.
Check them
too. They're on the net.
>
- --
- -Jeff
Crabtree
'91 Stealth R/T Turbo
'93 Jeep YJ Wrangler Sport
St. Louis, MO
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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:43:34 -0500
From: "Meyer" <meyer2@erols.com>
Subject: Team3S: GT
Pro (formerly GT Alley)
Hi folks,
For those who might be interested
The GT368S turbos are still available.
Brian has the original drawings and
has a new manufacturer on line. He is
also working on a new front mount
intercooler and a 3000GT specific fuel
controller that will replace the MAS
or VPC and dial in easily. The turbos
are available now and the
other items in 1 month. Contact me privately
for
details.
Frank
www.AcceleratedAccessories.com
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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:16:29 -0500
From: Irving & Ana Jimenez <lt1power@crystal.palace.net>
Subject:
Team3S: V.P.C. ?
Hey Gang ?
Just a quick and kind-of stupid
question .
What exactly does the V.P.C do ?
I know that is has
something to do with fuel enrichment / leaning , but how does it
attain this
goal ?
Thanx for any help, I just need to know what I'm getting into
:o)
Irving
96 VR4
All the regular bolt-ons r going in, in a couple
of weeks .
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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:25:26 -0800
From: Ken Middaugh <middaugh@omega.gat.com>
Subject:
Team3S: suspension noises
Lately I've noticed noises from front &
back suspension when hitting
sharp bumps in the road. It seems to be
getting more noticible. It
sounds like something is loose, like a worn
anti-sway bar bushing with
the bar slapping around. Although not too
loud, it can be heard and
even felt.
The car is a '91 VR4. I've
had it since 65K and it now has 89K. I
imagine all suspension parts are
original including the struts.
What is the best way to track this down
without jumping in and blindly
replacing parts? Should I just take it
to a shop for diagnosis? What
are typical lifetimes of struts?
Mine seem to damp OK since I don't get
excessive bouncing. Do the
struts have mounts or bushings that wear?
Thanks for the
advice,
Ken
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General Atomics
San
Diego
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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:40:05 -0800
From: "Bill" <compren@lightspeed.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Progressive Insurance - Anybody covered by them?
Heh, I tried
an online quote from Progressive for my new 900cc sport bike
and a 31year old
with no tickets or accidents, that's married and owns his
own house, their
quote was $3,680...I decided allstate's $302 was a better
deal...
-
-Bill
> I had progressive for a long time too,
but when it was time to renew, I
ended up
>getting a much better rate
from a company called "INTEGON". They are a
GMAC
company
>Check them too. They're on the net.
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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:39:53 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
V.P.C. ?
VPC stands for Vein Pressure Controller. It is an HKS
fuel controller which
has enjoyed a great deal of success. It
eliminates the stock MAS in favor
of a speed/density system using a manifold
absolute pressure (MAP) sensor
and temperature of the air to calculate air
volume. It converts the
calculated information into a pulse modulated
signal expected by the factory
ECU. You can adjust the signal to make
the ECU think more or less air is
present and thereby effect a change in
mixture.
Unless HKS has recently released a new version of the VPC, it
is
incompatible with the 94+ ECU wiring harness out of the box. It
should be
feasible to hardwire it but so far noone has admitted to doing
it.
Barry
> -----Original Message-----
> Hey Gang
?
>
> Just a quick and kind-of stupid question .
Not stupid
at all.
> What exactly does the V.P.C do ?
> I know that is has
something to do with fuel enrichment / leaning
> , but how does it
>
attain this goal ?
>
> Thanx for any help, I just need to know what
I'm getting into :o)
>
> Irving
> 96 VR4
> All the
regular bolt-ons r going in, in a couple of weeks
.
>
>
>
>
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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:37:22 -0600
From: Jeff Crabtree <wjcrabtree@sprintmail.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: suspension noises
Ken Middaugh wrote:
> Lately I've
noticed noises from front & back suspension when hitting
> sharp bumps
in the road.
KEN,
If I'm right, this is the
simplest, cheapest repair you'll ever make to your car.
I had the same
problem. There are suspension links that go from the sway bar to
the
control arm on either side of the car. I don't remember how much
they cost...somebody
else will have to help with that one...I do remember
that they were cheap, relatively(as
opposed to say, a new trannie B/C you
have a bad syncro).
I also remember that it took me about twenty minutes,
with the car up on ramps, laying
on a mechanics creeper, to install the new
ones.
- --
- -Jeff Crabtree
'91 Stealth R/T
Turbo
'93 Jeep YJ Wrangler
Sport
St. Louis,
MO
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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:42:35 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
suspension noises
In addition to all the other stuff, don't overlook
engine mounts. I had an
elusive suspension related knock that was
eventually cured by replacing
cracked engine mounts. The front driver's
side engine mount has a rubber
insert deal that can crack and wear out over
time. That may account for at
least some front suspension
noise.
Barry
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
Lately I've noticed noises from front & back suspension when hitting
>
sharp bumps in the road. It seems to be getting more noticible.
It
> sounds like something is loose, like a worn anti-sway bar bushing
with
> the bar slapping around. Although not too loud, it can be
heard and
> even felt.
>
> The car is a '91 VR4. I've
had it since 65K and it now has 89K. I
> imagine all suspension
parts are original including the struts.
>
> What is the best way to
track this down without jumping in and blindly
> replacing parts?
Should I just take it to a shop for diagnosis? What
> are typical
lifetimes of struts? Mine seem to damp OK since I don't get
>
excessive bouncing. Do the struts have mounts or bushings that
wear?
>
> Thanks for the advice,
> Ken
>
--
>
> Ken Middaugh
> General Atomics
> San
Diego
> (619) 455-4510
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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:50:51 -0500
From: "Trent" <rtrent@nlci.com>
Subject: Team3S: Stock
Turbos Available
Nathan mentioned having some trouble finding a set of
stock turbos. I have
a set with only 30K that I replaced with 13g's,
for sale. If interested
E-mail me privately.
Regards,
Dave
Trent/92TT
rtrent@nlci.com
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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:46:42 -0600
From: "Steven A. File" <sfile@usa.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Progressive Insurance - Anybody covered by them?
Bob,
Here in the
Sunshine State (which is where I believe you live as well)
Progressive is
hard to beat price wise, as long as you buy directly from
them (without an
agent). We have had them for about four years, and I price
shop at least
every two years, the last time last Spring.
They were by far the cheapest
for my family's "fleet" of sports cars with
two 18-year-old daughters. We
have a '98 NA, a '97 VR-4, a '97 GSX and a '97
626 (which my wife drives and
my daughters and I lovingly refer to as the
"Granny Mobile"). Progressive was
easily two thousand dollars a year cheaper
than State Farm. All of us
have a clean driving record except my wife (two
$2,000 wrecks at least
partially her fault--that's why we don't allow her to
drive the Mitsus) but
they have given us no hassle whatsoever and paid
promptly. They actually seem
to take pride in fast claim settlement!
In Florida, it is usually
worthwhile to also quote Allstate through a local
agent. After they priced
themselves out of the homeowner's market in Florida
(re: hurricanes) they got
aggressive about auto insurance to keep from
loosing their agent base.
Allstate was just a couple hundred dollars higher
last spring, and this could
vary depending on whether you live in a
metropolitan area.
The Florida
Dept of Insurance has some decent info on this subject at:
http://www.doi.state.fl.us/index.htm
Steve
File
mailto:sfile@usa.net
Thought
for the day:
"If it's really the tourist season, then why can't we shoot
them?"
Weekday Toy: '98 Mitsubishi 3000 GT, SOHC,
Solano Black Pearl: "The Beep-Beep"
Weekend Toy: '97 Mitsubishi 3000 GT,
VR-4, AWD, AWS, TT,
Solano Black Pearl: "The Turbo
Beep-Beep"
Daughters' Toy: '97 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX,
Magenta Grey Pearl: "The Gray Ghost"
- -----Original
Message-----
From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On
Behalf Of Bob Fontana
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 12:44 PM
To:
3000/Stealth Technical List
Subject: Team3S: Progressive Insurance - Anybody
covered by them?
I received a pre-approved "Guaranteed Acceptance
Card" from Progressive. I
called the 800 number and, even with one
ticket two years ago, apples to
apples coverage comparison with State Farm,
Progressive is $920 per year vs.
$1260 per I have been paying.
I'd be
interested in hearing comments from anyone who has direct,
personal
experience with these folks. Particularly, how quickly would
they increase
rates for getting a ticket (I'm planning on doing some fast
driving soon) or
b
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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:12:11 -0500
From: Irving & Ana Jimenez <lt1power@crystal.palace.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: V.P.C. ?
Barry E. King wrote:
> VPC stands for Vein
Pressure Controller. It is an HKS fuel controller which
> has
enjoyed a great deal of success. It eliminates the stock MAS in
favor
> of a speed/density system using a manifold absolute pressure (MAP)
sensor
> and temperature of the air to calculate air volume. It
converts the
> calculated information into a pulse modulated signal
expected by the factory
> ECU. You can adjust the signal to make the
ECU think more or less air is
> present and thereby effect a change in
mixture.
YOU R THE MAN ! ! ! ! ( thanx for all the help u give us
)
I think I screwed my wish-list up, I got the VPC confused with the
AFC
Can you tell me what the AFC does. ( sorry for being a pest
:o)
Irving
96 VR4
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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:11:25 -0500
From: RPM Motorsports <rpmmotorsport@adelphia.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: GT Pro (formerly GT Alley)
Wasn't it previously brought up
that Brian was actually scamming 3S
members with his products and not
actually delivering them. He is still
operating a business??
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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:38:24 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
V.P.C. ?
> -----Original Message-----
> YOU R THE MAN ! ! !
! ( thanx for all the help u give us )
Dunno about the first part.
Whatever help my ramblings may provide is just
trying to give back what has
been given and learn more stuff in the process.
> I think I screwed my
wish-list up, I got the VPC confused with the AFC
Too many
acronyms.
> Can you tell me what the AFC does. ( sorry for being a
pest :o)
The AFC intercepts the frequency signal sent to the ECU by the
MAS. There
are adjustments across five RPM ranges which allow
adjustment of the signal
to the ECU up or down to trick the ECU into
believing more or less air is
present than actually is, which like the VPC,
causes the ECU to adjust fuel
delivery.
I think the AFC is great for
minor tweaking, but in my experience it is not
that good for properly
adjusting the mixture for anything other than mildly
modified setups. I
own one and actually still use it in conjunction with
the TRE MASC but only
to get a lean idle for emissions purposes.
Unfortunately the MASC is no
longer available. If you are going to 15Gs and
bigger injectors you may
wish to try and find an alternative to the AFC for
best results although the
AFC will definitely get the car running. The
reason the AFC falls short
is that it only considers engine RPM. Load as
measured either by actual
airflow or speed/density like the VPC is more
relevant to fuel mixture.
I suppose another alternative is reprogramming
the ECU but then you can't
really adjust things and getting an optimal ECU
reprogramming job is
sometimes hard the first time out of the box.
I saw on the web a few days
ago a company making a system for the Eclipse
that replaced the MAS with a
Pro-M airmeter and added a VPC-like fuel
controller. It may be that
this system will only work for the 1st gen
Eclipse since they used a voltage
signal rather than a fequency signal to
the ECU. The 3K/Stealth uses a
frequency signal. I tried finding the site
again but cannot. If
the system works for 2nd generation Eclipses then it
will work with the 3/S
since they use an identical MAS. I will post the
site if I can find it
again and it looks like it may be an
alternative.
Regards,
Barry
> Irving
> 96
VR4
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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:45:59 -0600
From: Jeff Crabtree <wjcrabtree@sprintmail.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Lou Fusz Mitsubishi
I felt obligated to let the rest of you know
what is happnening with my
car.
For those that don't remember, I had
and accident in my Stealth on NOV.
16!! of last year. There was
considerable body and structural damage to
the car. Normally I would
take any body work to a smaller private shop
here in St. Louis that I've
dealt with in the past, but since this
damage was so "deep" I decided to take
the car to Lou Fusz
Mitsubishi(yes they give us discounts on parts). I
have had good luck
with their service department on several occasions, but
had never dealt
with the collision repair service center before, even so, I
decided to
give them the chance.
I was finally able
to have my car picked up for me last Friday.
Upon inspection I was FURIOUS at
the condition that they decided to
return the car to me in.
What
follows is a list of the things that were immediately visually or
aurally
defective with my vehicle.
1) The hood of the vehicle(which had to
be replaced) is covered with
small paint bubbles and
imperfections.
2) One of the strut covers on the hood is warped and
doesn't fit
properly anymore.
3) The fenders on both sides of the
car have been painted and then
were NOT covered when work was done in the
engine bay, resulting in
scratches in the paint on both sides of the
car.
4) There is overspray in the engine compartment in several
spots
particularly on the wiring harnesses near the insides of the
fenders.
5) The engine compartment is filled with dust, dirt, and
rubbing
compound and looks as if the car sat with either the hood open or
no
hood at all in the rain.
6) There is an unbelievable amount of
overspray in the passenger side
wheelwell as if it were not masked at all
when painted.
7) The ECS "TOUR/SPORT"mode indicator is
flashing.
8) A bearing on a pully or tensioner has gone bad(probably as
a result
of the engine bay being exposed to the elements) and is now making
a
horrible noise.
9) My power antenna is now BROKEN!
AND THE
ICING ON THE CAKE....I took the car on Saturday afternoon to
show the General
Manager of the dealership all of the things that I had
found upon first
inspection, only twenty minutes earlier. As I was
returning home with
the car to park it until I was sure that they
could/would do
something.......
10) My oil light began to flicker on and
off.
I will be certain to keep everyone informed on this issue as
it
progresses, but as you can well imagine, I am furious. Lou Fuzs's
Body
shop mgr. has promised to look at my "concerns"(which angers me
even
more because, to me, a "concern"is something that you have a
question
about.....THESE ARE "PROBLEMS"). Luckily I paid for the whole
deal with
a credit card, so I can dispute the charges to the card on the
grounds
that they did not give me what they charged the credit card for,
if
things don't go my way.
Two and a half months and $5400.00. I
expected a little more respect
and effort.
PLEASE, all of you, do me a
favor and BOYCOTT LOU FUSZ MITSUBISHI (and
any of the "Fusz" dealerships in
and around St. Louis, Missouri)until
this matter is resolved.
-
--
- -Jeff Crabtree
'91 Stealth R/T
Turbo
'93 Jeep YJ Wrangler
Sport
St. Louis,
MO
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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:54:21 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
V.P.C. ?
I found that site I mentioned. Here it is:
http://www.splitsec.com/
I can't
really tell from the website blurb if it will work or not. Maybe
worth
calling them and seeing what they
say.
Regards,
Barry
> I saw on the web a few
days ago a company making a system for the Eclipse
> that replaced the MAS
with a Pro-M airmeter and added a VPC-like fuel
> controller. It may
be that this system will only work for the 1st gen
> Eclipse since they
used a voltage signal rather than a fequency signal to
> the ECU.
The 3K/Stealth uses a frequency signal. I tried
> finding the
site
> again but cannot. If the system works for 2nd generation
Eclipses then it
> will work with the 3/S since they use an identical
MAS. I will post the
> site if I can find it again and it looks like
it may be an alternative.
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Date:
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 22:23:52 -0500
From: "Meyer" <meyer2@erols.com>
Subject: Team3S:
GT368s
Hi again,
I guess I should have asked this first. Are
those of you who are running
these turbos satisfied with them? I don't want
to offer a product that will
cause problems.
Thanks,
Frank
www.AcceleratedAccessories.com
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Date:
Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:29:50 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: GT368s
Well, I only know Todd and me who have them. I haven't
installed them yet due to
the problems with Brian and Charlie but here are my
observations so far :
- - The turbos do need another engine mount on the
front.
- - The rods of the wastegate actuators must be bent until they work
good.
- - The intake is big but the stock rubber inlet fits after some
tries.
- - The compressor outlet is very big and when you want to use the
stock
intercooler or at least the piping, some good work to the hoses/tube
must be
done.
- - Mine are not ported nor polished on the inside of the
compressor housing.
- - The compressor wheel size is comparabel to a 20G ..
too big I think.
These facts speak for the turbos I got with the Air
Research case. This must not
be the same with the new production. Brian told
me that he has no money right
now and therefore he'll finance it with each
order that has to be prepaid. After
someone has seen that I bought them I got
an interesting email from a person who
said that this is the exact hybrid he
did and and somehow Brian got the
prototype of it what finally lead to the
368 copy. email me privately for
more
information.
Regards,
Roger
-
-----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo
(Animale Rosso)
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Date:
Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:50:49 -0600
From: "Todd D Shelton" <tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
GT368s
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Roger,
I would be interested in hearing this
story - from the guy who
says he already had hybrids. I must not have
ever heard or
met this fellow since I had never heard or seen of anything
bigger
than 15g's installed back when Brian had them on his VR-4
when
Street Power did the writeup on his car nearly 2 years ago now.
Did
this guy offer any proof?
- - Todd
-
---------------------------------------------------------------
-----Original Message-----
From: R.G. <robby@swissonline.ch>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 2:31 AM
Subject: Re:
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observations so =
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- The
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- The intake is big but the stock rubber inlet
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- The compressor outlet is
very big and when you want to use the =
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must
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- Mine are not ported nor
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-
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=
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=20
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privately for
more
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Roger
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Roger
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Date:
Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:07:21 -0600
From: "Todd D Shelton" <tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
GT368s
Of course that was supposed to be private -
haven't had my
morning coffee yet (big mistake)
Oh well - while I'm here I should specify
that I'm
referring to U.S. cars/turbos as we all know that
larger (>
15g) turbos have been used in Japan
with *different* manifolds. Also -
as Roger stated
the front motor mount has to be modified. We built
a
NEW front motor mount. I'm also using custom
2" stainless intercooler
piping and custom intercoolers
with 2" inlets/outlets (thanks
Corky!) We also enlarged the
compressor outlet and did a bit of
additional porting before
the install. I don't think the turbos are too big
but I wouldn't want
anything bigger.
I feel sorry for those that would use
these without
extensive modifications since they would probably
take a
week and a half to spool. I should also recommend
forged pistons since
I blew my stock pistons apart shortly after
installing the monster turbos
:(
- - tds
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-----Original Message-----
From: Todd D Shelton <tds@brightok.net>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 8:50 AM
Subject: Re:
Team3S: GT368s
Roger,
I
would be interested in hearing this story - from the guy
who
<snip>
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Date:
Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:54:05 -0800
From: "Pat Maston" <PAM@gty.ci.henderson.nv.us>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Lou Fusz Mitsubishi
You could try calling the Mitsu national
number in the front of your warranty book. I had a problem with a local
dealership once, called that number, and eventually got the problem fixed to my
satisfaction. The national people seem to try to keep the reputation of
the Mitsubishi name a little cleaner than the local
dealerships.
Patrick
91 VR4
>>> Jeff Crabtree
<wjcrabtree@sprintmail.com>
2/10/99 6:45:59 AM >>>
AND THE ICING ON THE CAKE....I took the car
on Saturday afternoon to
show the General Manager of the dealership all of
the things that I had
found upon first inspection, only twenty minutes
earlier. As I was
returning home with the car to park it until I was
sure that they
could/would do something.......
10) My oil light
began to flicker on and off.
I will be certain to keep everyone informed
on this issue as it
progresses, but as you can well imagine, I am
furious. Lou Fuzs's Body
shop mgr. has promised to look at my
"concerns"(which angers me even
more because, to me, a "concern"is something
that you have a question
about.....THESE ARE "PROBLEMS"). Luckily I
paid for the whole deal with
a credit card, so I can dispute the charges to
the card on the grounds
that they did not give me what they charged the
credit card for, if
things don't go my way.
Two and a half months and
$5400.00. I expected a little more respect
and effort.
PLEASE,
all of you, do me a favor and BOYCOTT LOU FUSZ MITSUBISHI (and
any of the
"Fusz" dealerships in and around St. Louis, Missouri)until
this matter is
resolved.
- --
- -Jeff Crabtree
'91 Stealth R/T
Turbo
'93 Jeep YJ Wrangler
Sport
St. Louis,
MO
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Date:
Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:37:15 -0600
From: "BRADLEY W YOUNKMAN" <STEALTH@prodigy.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Clutch
I have a 91 Stealth TT and was wondering how hard
would it be for myself to
change the clutch in this car or if I should let a
dealer do it? I've been
an aircraft mechanic for 6 years, so I have the
skills to work on a 100
million dollar airplane but not sure about these
cars(I just don't want to
mess it up). I have the manuals for the car and
think I could easily follow
the directions, but what tools (if any special)
would this job require and
what do I need as far as jack stands and that sort
of stuff would I need.
About how long would this job take?
What clutch
would you recommend putting into a stock TT?
I'm also looking for other
owners in the Ft Walton Beach Florida area to get
together with.
You
can email me privately if you want at stealth@prodigy.net.
Thanks
Brad
Younkman
91 Dodge Stealth RT TT
No mods
3SI #078
ICQ#
24904645
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Date:
Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:41:33 -0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Clutch
The clutch job itself is easy.
The problem is
lifting the transmission in awkward positions to get the
transmissions back
in. However it can be done at home (I did two cars in
one
weekend)
Just make sure you have 2, maybe 3 people to help out with the
reinstall of
the transmission.
> Brad
Member of ESSC since
1999>
> Check out my home page: http://lonestar.texas.net/~bbedell
>
E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com
ICQ# 3612682
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On Behalf Of BRADLEY W
YOUNKMAN
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 1999 10:37
AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Team3S: Clutch
I have a 91 Stealth TT and was wondering how
hard would it be for myself to
change the clutch in this car or if I should
let a dealer do it? I've been
an aircraft mechanic for 6 years, so I have the
skills to work on a 100
million dollar airplane but not sure about these
cars(I just don't want to
mess it up). I have the manuals for the car and
think I could easily follow
the directions, but what tools (if any special)
would this job require and
what do I need as far as jack stands and that sort
of stuff would I need.
About how long would this job take?
What clutch
would you recommend putting into a stock TT?
I'm also looking for other
owners in the Ft Walton Beach Florida area to get
together with.
You
can email me privately if you want at stealth@prodigy.net.
Thanks
Brad
Younkman
91 Dodge Stealth RT TT
No mods
3SI #078
ICQ#
24904645
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Date:
Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:56:14 -0500
From: "Fein, Edward" <fein@strategy.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Racing Helmets
Actually there's a big difference between M95
(Snell 95 Motorcycle
certification) and A95 (Snell 95 Auto racing
specification) helmets: the car
helmet is fireproof. Most 'serious' car
racing bodies require the fireproof
ones in sanctioned competition (i.e. if
they require a Nomex suit, they
require a fireproof helmet as
well).
This makes automotive helmets more expensive, but they are a LOT
safer if
you're in a car fire. But for 99% of us, there's really no
difference -
Motorcycle helmets are just fine for autocrossing and _most_
road schools. I
don't know what the exact rules are for drag racing but if
you're not
running sub-11 second timeslips a motorcycle helmet is
legal.
Also, certain venting options are only available on car helmets -
like hose
attachments for window scoops.
-Ed
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-----Original Message-----
From: MrX2111@aol.com [mailto:MrX2111@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday,
February 03, 1999 5:18 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Racing Helmets
There is no real big difference except
maybe the mouth style and venting but
as long as it is snel 90 or 95 it
should be approved. Look inside or on the
back for the snel
sticker
Xannieria
3SI #130
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Date:
Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:09:34 -0800
From: Ken Middaugh <middaugh@omega.gat.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Clutch
Hi Brad,
Sounds like you could tackle a clutch
with no problem given your
experience. Just make sure have the flywheel
ground correctly or
replace it altogether. Also there are several
dealers that do mail
order parts and give great discounts to list
members.
Many folks recommend the stock clutch if you don't plan
going over 400
or so HP. You probably don't want to go over 400 HP
anyway on a '91 or
'92 since: 1) they have the small 18 tooth splines
in the transmission
& transfer case and the splines have been known to
strip; and 2) the
engine has 2 bolt main bearing caps. Upgrades
including a larger 25
tooth spline and 4 bolt mains occured somewhere in the
'93 models.
Good luck,
Ken
> I have a 91 Stealth TT
and was wondering how hard would it be for myself to
> change the
clutch in this car or if I should let a dealer do it? I've been
> an
aircraft mechanic for 6 years, so I have the skills to work on a 100
>
million dollar airplane but not sure about these cars(I just don't want
to
> mess it up). I have the manuals for the car and think I could easily
follow
> the directions, but what tools (if any special) would this job
require and
> what do I need as far as jack stands and that sort of stuff
would I need.
> About how long would this job take?
>
> What
clutch would you recommend putting into a stock TT?
- --
Ken
Middaugh
General Atomics
San Diego
(619) 455-4510
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Date:
Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:25:19 EST
From: Lomcevak@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: 91-92
Main Bearings -
Im just curious - with all the talk of the
91-92 main bearing girdle only
having 2 bolts per bearing journal - has
anyone had or seen a MAIN bearing
fail on a 91-92 6G72? While the extra bolts
can obviously only be stronger, I
think some are going a bit overboard with
the early engines weakness. Even
with the 2-bolt cfg, this is a beefy main
bearing setup.
I have seen / heard of several reports of bearing
failures (including my
own) - however, they have all been ROD bearings.
These, too, were changed in
the 93-on vehicles - to a fitted
bearing.
SteveC
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