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Team3S Digest         Monday, February 8 1999         Volume 01 : Number 095




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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 09:59:02 -0600
From: Scott J Cowan <sjc0u812@juno.com>
Subject: Team3S: Rolex 24

Hello to all:

Quick off subject question...caught the end of the Rolex 24 to find a
Mistubishi listed in the GT3 class, number 09.  Finished like 39 over
all, like 23 in it's class.  Anyone klnow, is this a VR4?  Do we know
these folks?

Just curious.

Thanks, and regards,

Scott

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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 10:04:02 -0600
From: Scott J Cowan <sjc0u812@juno.com>
Subject: Team3S: Tire Swapping

Hello to all:

Does anyone know of a company or anyone personally that might interested
in swapping some tires?  We have a set of BF Goodrich T/A radials,
P225/60R16's, just over 10K mikes,  that I hate and would like to find a
pair of a different brand.

If interested, or can help, please e-mail me privately at:

sjc0u812@juno.com

Thank you, and regards,

Scott

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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 11:33:42 EST
From: MrX2111@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: New Products

 $7080_for entire kit and light upgrade 8) ouch but well worth it.

Xannieria
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Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 13:07:41 -0500
From: Don Kessler <dgkessler@ameritech.net>
Subject: Team3S: Engine Oil

I would like to use synthetic oil in my 1993 R/T TT, but I am confused
on which brand to use.  I drive the car only in the nicer weather here
in Michigan (April through November) so I was thinking of using a 10W40
weight.  Any and all suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Don
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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 13:29:08 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Engine Oil

The Mobil One 10W-30 will work fine for your weather conditions.
Arty 91 VR-4

In a message dated 2/7/99 1:07:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dgkessler@ameritech.net writes:

<< Subj: Team3S: Engine Oil
 Date: 2/7/99 1:07:28 PM Eastern Standard Time
 From: dgkessler@ameritech.net (Don Kessler)
 Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 Reply-to: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com (stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com)
 
 I would like to use synthetic oil in my 1993 R/T TT, but I am confused
 on which brand to use.  I drive the car only in the nicer weather here
 in Michigan (April through November) so I was thinking of using a 10W40
 weight.  Any and all suggestions would be appreciated.
 
 Thanks,
  >>
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Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 14:12:43 PST
From: "Nathan Crisman" <spyder_talon@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Team3S Digest V1 #94

Hey guys...
Im looking for a set of turbo's for a Stealth...mainly a set off of
someones car that upgraded.  I just had a rebuilt motor installed, but
my turbo's are missing quite a few compressor blades...hmmm tha't why
with no boost controler on it at all (open hoses!), it only made 4psi. 
IF anyone can help me out, Id really appreciate it.

Plus..can anyone give me an idea of what's got to come off to replace
both turbo's?  IV done it on an awd Talon, but the back one on my
stealth looks wedged in pretty bad.

Nathan Crisman
91 AWD Talon (13.4@104)
92 Stealth (not been good to me, spun the rod bearing on #1, destroyed
the crank.  While having the motor replaced, I confirm the turbo's a
wiped out.)


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Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 17:43:22 -0500
From: Don Kessler <dgkessler@ameritech.net>
Subject: Team3S: Engine Oil Filter

Sorry Gang,

I forgot to ask this with my question on engine oil. I religiously
change the oil and filter on my daily drivers at 2000 miles. I have read
on one of the lists that you should change your filter only at every
other oil change. Something about it filters better when slightly
dirty.  I'm sorry but that doesn't seem logical to me.  Why put fresh
oil in the car with a dirty filter that has used oil in it. How can it
filter better?  Help me please, I'm bewildered.

Thanks,

Don
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Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 17:38:40 -0500
From: Shawn Dewey <sdewey@dmv.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Rolex 24

>Quick off subject question...caught the end of the Rolex 24 to find a
>Mistubishi listed in the GT3 class, number 09.  Finished like 39 over
>all, like 23 in it's class.  Anyone klnow, is this a VR4?  Do we know
>these folks?
- ----------------
No this is not a VR-4 but a 2G eclipse with a 1G motor in it. It is one of
Archer's old cars and was run in the 24 hour last year and finished the
race then too. The car is sponsored by Daytona Mitsubishi. Yes I am
familiar with them. The road racing DSM family is quite small :)


OA position
start position
car number
class
class position
car
purse
laps complete and reason out (if any).
Drivers/hometowns

39
70
09
GT3
16
Daytona Mitsubishi/Mitsubishi Eclipse
$1,000
455

Craig Conway/Daytona Beach/Fla.
Todd Flis/Daytona Beach/Fla.
Eric Van Cleef/Huntsville/Ala.



- -shawn dewey

'91 Stealth R/T nonturbo 15.426 @ 90.68 (in the happy hands of a new owner!)
'93 3000GT VR4 12.98 @ 107 mph
'91 Talon TSI AWD 13.6 @ 98.8 (the commuter car, yeah right! :)
'95 Talon ESi SCCA Race Car (SSC class)
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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 18:00:33 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Engine Oil Filter

Don, on a brand new oil filter it needs to clog up a bit to get the required
resistance needed to filter out the really small particles. Just like the K&N
air filter needs to get a bit dirty to work better.
Arty 91 VR-4

In a message dated 2/7/99 5:41:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dgkessler@ameritech.net writes:

<< Subj: Team3S: Engine Oil Filter
 Date: 2/7/99 5:41:36 PM Eastern Standard Time
 From: dgkessler@ameritech.net (Don Kessler)
 Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 Reply-to: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com (stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com)
 
 Sorry Gang,
 
 I forgot to ask this with my question on engine oil. I religiously
 change the oil and filter on my daily drivers at 2000 miles. I have read
 on one of the lists that you should change your filter only at every
 other oil change. Something about it filters better when slightly
 dirty.  I'm sorry but that doesn't seem logical to me.  Why put fresh
 oil in the car with a dirty filter that has used oil in it. How can it
 filter better?  Help me please, I'm bewildered.
 
 Thanks, >>
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Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 15:04:12 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: Engine Oil Filter

Hi Don;


Advise you received on the oil (Mobil 1 10-30) was right on. It's a matter of conjecture
about changing every other oil change...personally  I do not for the reasons you have
elucidated. Call me Mr. Clean...clean oil, clean filter. I think you'd get about 90%
favor a filter change every change and 10% favor it every other if you conducted a
survey. You'd get the reasons you've already stated, so it's up to you now to decide.

Best

Darc

Don Kessler wrote:

> Sorry Gang,
>
> I forgot to ask this with my question on engine oil. I religiously
> change the oil and filter on my daily drivers at 2000 miles. I have read
> on one of the lists that you should change your filter only at every
> other oil change. Something about it filters better when slightly
> dirty.  I'm sorry but that doesn't seem logical to me.  Why put fresh
> oil in the car with a dirty filter that has used oil in it. How can it
> filter better?  Help me please, I'm bewildered.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Don
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Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 19:01:16 -0500
From: Shawn Dewey <sdewey@dmv.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: DSM technical info CD

You can thank me for some contribution of the 3K/Stealth manuals, as I
donated my 94 stealth and 93 mitsu manuals to Vineet in order to get this
CD put together as complete as possible. The CD's should be excellent
quality since the DSM CD manuals are first rate and completely searchable.



>I was fascinated by a post last week (about a CD version of the 3S manuals,
>with technical bulletins), so I contacted the source. Here's some of his
>response. I'm going to order one of the CDs. I'll let you all know what it
>looks like after I've had a chance to look at it.

>1991 BODY repair manual (shows ALL structural parts/seals/paint/etc)
>1994 Dodge Stealth manual (covers ALL DS's)
>1991 3000gt manual (covers 91-92 3k/DS cars)
>1992-1996+ 3000gt manual (covers, well you know :)
>DSM technical manual (covers the T/E/L line, but applies to the 3/s)

- -shawn dewey

'91 Stealth R/T nonturbo 15.426 @ 90.68 (in the happy hands of a new owner!)
'93 3000GT VR4 12.98 @ 107 mph
'91 Talon TSI AWD 13.6 @ 98.8 (the commuter car, yeah right! :)
'95 Talon ESi SCCA Race Car (SSC class)
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Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 19:10:35 -0500
From: Shawn Dewey <sdewey@dmv.com>
Subject: Team3S: Dodge Stealth model on ebay

Dodge Stealth Indy 500 Official Car.
Can be built stock or with the Indy decals.
AMT #6806 issued 1991,unbuilt factory sealed.

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Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 22:41:18 -0500
From: Ron Thompson <rtetetet@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 5-speed problems, part II (advice requested)

Like I said Eric, i had the identical problems with my Eclipse,
including the grinding in second up or down. This is what always told
me when the trany fluid was done. I had to change it 2-3 times a year.
I drove the car about 9 -12 a year.

As for the dealer putting in the right stuff, I wouldn't bet on it,
that barrel full of universal gear oil is one size fits all. It's a
cheap and easy experiment changing the trany oil. If that solves the
problem, you;ll be happy. If it doesn't, then attack the dealer to fix
or replace the trany. Don't give them the car till the trany is in
their shop, then you should be out of the car only a few days.

Ron
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Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 00:14:07 -0800
From: "Errin D. Humphrey" <errin@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Rolex 24

Shawn Dewey wrote:

> >Quick off subject question...caught the end of the Rolex 24 to find a
> >Mistubishi listed in the GT3 class, number 09.  Finished like 39 over
> >all, like 23 in it's class.  Anyone klnow, is this a VR4?  Do we know
> >these folks?
> ----------------
> No this is not a VR-4 but a 2G eclipse with a 1G motor in it. It is one of
> Archer's old cars and was run in the 24 hour last year and finished the
> race then too. The car is sponsored by Daytona Mitsubishi. Yes I am
> familiar with them. The road racing DSM family is quite small :)

Speaking of the Rolex 24, the guy who came in first for GT3 class
lives just a few miles away from me, next door neighbor of a friend
of mine.  His name is Darryl Havens, his 911 RSR not only smoked
the competition in GT3 but actually beat the winner of the GT2 class!
(it was a 911T).  He was racing for a pledge drive do donate to the
Seattle Children's Hospital and for this he was able to raise $254,000.
Quite a guy.  I'll probably pay him a visit this week.  Maybe he has a
couple spare turbos sitting around he could donate for my car.  :-)

Check out:  http://www.teamseattle.com/team_seattle.htm

I was really happy to see that the Mitsubishi finished the race.  I was
hoping to get some videorecorded footage of it, but all the cameras
would ever show was that ugly Ford (Riley & Scott) hunk of junk.  :)

- --Errin Humphrey


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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 20:44:08 +1100
From: Andrew Clark <chemist1@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Team3S: Tires for VR4

I'm sorry to bore everybody with this subject, & I know its been cover
heaps of times, but I'm running into problems getting tyres for my VR4.
I've been quoted prices in the vicinity of $345US per tyre for the
original 225/50 Yoko's that are on the car at the moment & was offered a
cheaper alternative by a tyre bloke today who said I could use 235/45
Bridgestones. I asked if this different tyre size would effect my speedo
to which he said "not much"(??!!).
Anyway it is proving difficult to get a 225/50 17 inch tyre for the car
other than the Yoko.
Any suggestions on a 225/50 alternative to the Yoko's or comments on
other sizes etc. would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Andrew
Australia
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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:19:55 +0100
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?=" <vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Tires for VR4

Maybe it's different in Australia but in the rest of the world (as I know it)the stock size for a VR-4 is 245/45-17. (245/40-18 for the newer cars.)

So the 235/45 will be closer to stock size but the 225/50 will be closer to the stock 2052mm circumference.

The 235/45 have 2024mm circumference and the 225/50 have 2067mm circumference.

If you want to calculate these figures, go to this web page and download the "wheel calculation program". http://www.kw.igs.net/~millebi/

BTW did you guys notice that the Kaze side view mirrors is exactly the same that the Celica had 90-93! I guess you can get them at a better price at Toyota. :) 


Best regards

Mikael Akesson http://www.bahnhof.se/~vr4


- -----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Clark <chemist1@ozemail.com.au>
>I've been quoted prices in the vicinity of $345US per tyre for the
>original 225/50 Yoko's that are on the car at the moment & was offered a cheaper alternative by a tyre bloke today who said I could use 235/45 Bridgestones. I asked if this different tyre size would effect my speedo to which he said "not much"(??!!).

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 06:43:50 -0700
From: "Dan Kiehl" <dkiehl@netmdc.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Engine Oil

I use mobil one 10w30..

CYa,
  Dan

- -----Original Message-----
From: Don Kessler <dgkessler@ameritech.net>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Sunday, February 07, 1999 11:17 AM
Subject: Team3S: Engine Oil


>I would like to use synthetic oil in my 1993 R/T TT, but I am confused
>on which brand to use.  I drive the car only in the nicer weather here
>in Michigan (April through November) so I was thinking of using a 10W40
>weight.  Any and all suggestions would be appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Don
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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 06:54:43 -0700
From: "Dan Kiehl" <dkiehl@netmdc.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: DSM technical info CD

how much for the cd?
who do I contact?


CYa,
  Dan

- -----Original Message-----
From: Shawn Dewey <sdewey@dmv.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Sunday, February 07, 1999 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: DSM technical info CD


>You can thank me for some contribution of the 3K/Stealth manuals, as I
>donated my 94 stealth and 93 mitsu manuals to Vineet in order to get this
>CD put together as complete as possible. The CD's should be excellent
>quality since the DSM CD manuals are first rate and completely searchable.
>
>
>
>>I was fascinated by a post last week (about a CD version of the 3S
manuals,
>>with technical bulletins), so I contacted the source. Here's some of his
>>response. I'm going to order one of the CDs. I'll let you all know what it
>>looks like after I've had a chance to look at it.
>
>>1991 BODY repair manual (shows ALL structural parts/seals/paint/etc)
>>1994 Dodge Stealth manual (covers ALL DS's)
>>1991 3000gt manual (covers 91-92 3k/DS cars)
>>1992-1996+ 3000gt manual (covers, well you know :)
>>DSM technical manual (covers the T/E/L line, but applies to the 3/s)
>
>-shawn dewey
>
>'91 Stealth R/T nonturbo 15.426 @ 90.68 (in the happy hands of a new
owner!)
>'93 3000GT VR4 12.98 @ 107 mph
>'91 Talon TSI AWD 13.6 @ 98.8 (the commuter car, yeah right! :)
>'95 Talon ESi SCCA Race Car (SSC class)
>http://home.dmv.com/~sdewey
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>

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:41:12 EST
From: Lomcevak@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: FYI: DOHC Rocker Arm no.'s

     For anyone who was interested in my inquiry as to the meaning of the
numbers stamped on top of the DOHC engine's rocker arms - I finally contacted
a tech rep at mitsubishi who told me they are nothing more than an indicator
from the production line - there is no diference in any of the rockers - they
are all identical.
  
    SteveC
    '91 3000GT SL
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Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 10:19:31 -0600
From: "Todd Schmalzried" <Q11981@email.mot.com>
Subject: Team3S: and I quote

March 1999 Road & Track page 149 lower left

"UNDER PRESSURE R & D:After-market performance product leader. .snip.
Engine, 2WD and ONLY AWD chassis dyno in the U.S.A.! Complete online
ordering. www.uprd.com (714)842-3338"

Looks like there might actually be an AWD dyno in the country. I just
thought you guys might be interested. I haven't called them yet, I'm on a
plane on the way home right now.

- --
Todd Schmalzried                    q11981@email.mot.com
    
- -You "put your 2 cents in" but only get "a penny for your thoughts"
- -Who gets the change? Think about it.  O-

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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 09:05 -0600
From: Jeff A Williamson <Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.com>
Subject: Team3S: Boost Question

My '92 VR4 has 103,000 miles on it. I have the HKS SPF filter, cat-back
exhaust, no cat, and Autometer boost gauge. Before I intalled an HKS boost
controller, I saw maximum boost of about 6 psi and one of the turbochagers
(stock) was brand new. According to specifications I've seen, the stock boost
on that model was 9psi. Now, with the boost controller, I can easily reach much
higher boost pressures, but with the boost controller turned off, I still only
see about 6psi. I've also noticed that in order to achive a boost pressure of
13.5 psi, I have to set my boost controller at 1.10 kg/cm2 (about 15.5psi I
think).

What specifically causes a reduction in stock boost pressure? Is it engine wear
(if so, which components), turbo wear, vacuum leak, etc.?) If the cause of this
lost stock boost pressure is repaired and stock boost pressure is restored,
will that correct the calibration problems with my boost controller?

Just curious. Thanks.

Jeff Williamson
Belleville, MI
'92 VR4

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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 16:42:12 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tires for VR4

> Maybe it's different in Australia but in the rest of the world (as I know it)
> the stock size for a VR-4 is 245/45-17. (245/40-18 for the newer cars.)

Also the EU cars came stock with 225/50-17. I then had 245/45-17 SP8000 on the
OZ and now Yoko 255/40-17. The speed offset is negligible :) My best experience
is with the 245/45-17 so far.

- -----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)

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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 16:59:25 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Boost Question

Jeff,

> I saw maximum boost of about 6 psi and one of the turbochagers
> (stock) was brand new. According to specifications I've seen, the stock boost
> on that model was 9psi.

This is not dependent on the turbos. My 93'3000GT max out 6psi when I turn off
the Blitz controller. With the stock boost solenoid the boost was somewhat
higher around 7 psi it mainly helps to get max boost quicker.

> Now, with the boost controller, I can easily reach much higher boost
> pressures

Sure, and you can easily kill your engine over 1.00bars (14.7psi)!!

> but with the boost controller turned off, I still only
> see about 6psi.

Of course it does as the controllers solenoid will stay fully open and the
pressure goes directly to the wastegates causing them to open. They start around
4.5psi or so.

> I've also noticed that in order to achive a boost pressure of
> 13.5 psi, I have to set my boost controller at 1.10 kg/cm2 (about 15.5psi I
> think).

This depends on the boost controller, where it measures boost and where it takes
pressure from to drive the wastegates. IMHO, there is a hose not connected to
the proper location.
 
> What specifically causes a reduction in stock boost pressure?

First, it looks normal for that year. Then an existing stock solenoid valve can
cause a difference. Also the preloaded spring in the wastegate actuators are
getting weaker over the years but with a boost controller this can be controlled
and compensated. I dunno your boost controller but it is maybe older than the
most we are running.

Hope this helps,
Roger

- -----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)

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