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Team3S Digest         Sunday, February 7 1999         Volume 01 : Number 094




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Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 16:20:45 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Headlight cleaning

> My question is this --- do you guys mind a few "cosmetic"
> type questions from time to time, such as there is a faint
> amount of clouding on the inside of the glass headlight
> "fairings", up above the headlights. And, of course, this
> looks twice as bad on a black car. I don't want to screw
> anything up by popping them off for cleaning, I'm afraid
> that might make the situation worse --- any suggestions??

I guess that this is the same problem we discovered on Jim Matthews 94'Stealth,
Jim ? Mabye it would be good to take a close-up shot of this and maybe one has a
solution for the problem.

> I have a few other similar questions, but let's just go with
> that one first.

I guess that I'd be of more help with the other questions (I have the pop-ups)

Regards,
Roger

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Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 16:24:33 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RIP Mitsubishi 3000 GT

Hey Darc,

>From moderator to moderator, I think it's better to talk privately about this
"whining" story and not to the entire list. What happend, happend and this is
bad, but that's life and we have to live with it. I already sent this
information to the guy and he aplogized to me for his answer upon your reply to
the list !

Enjoy the weekend,
Roger

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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 09:33:41 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Cam profiles: R/T vs. R/T TT

They look to be the same cams believe it or not.  The difference according
to the service manual specifications is that the turbo exhaust cam opens 2
degrees later and closes 2 degrees later.  This is probably done simply by
adjusting the exhaust cam sprockets.  It would be easy to check -- call up a
Mistu or Dodge dealer and ask for part numbers for each and see what shakes
out.  '91 and '92 had a miniscule amount of increased lift at <less than
0.6mm which is about 20 thousandths of an inch.  This really won't do a lot
especially on stock heads.  That amount is almost used up by the service
limit for 93+ cams.

When enquiring about cams, it may be useful to ask about cams for the 6G72
engine or a "Dodge DOHC V6" rather than a Stealth or 3000GT.  Dodge used
variations of the V6 in SOHC and possibly DOHC configurations in other cars.
I found that some American cam manufacturers don't even know what a 3000GT
is and as soon as you say Stealth they say "no".

Case in point:  I called ARP asking about rod bolts for my VR4 rebuild.
They said they didn't make anything for a VR4.  I asked about a Stealth.
They said "let me check".  They came back and said no.  Yet, they did make
parts for the 4G Mistu/Dodge engines and after pushing hard DID have the
parts as 6G7x.  So, now I have ARP hardware in the bottom end of the engine
even though they "don't make hardware for that engine".


Barry

> -----Original Message-----
>
> What is the difference in the cam profiles for an NA R/T, and a TT?
> Because there are no aftermarket cams available, would using TT cams be
> beneficial, or would the lift and duration be too much where the valves
> and piston would have a "coming together"? I remember a post a while
> back about the cams for a 91-91 VR-4 being slightly different, and would
> those work on a NT?
>
> Matt
> 3/Si #311
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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 08:45:43 -0700
From: "james berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: suspension upgrade

origional message ---

>For anyone concerned with weight biasing, keep in mind also that the height
>adjustment feature of the GC system will allow you to dictate a certain
>amount of weight transfer from front to rear or corner to corner for that
>matter.  Furthermore spring preload can be adjusted to further tweak either
>end's response.
>


how would spring preloading be accomplished, that implies some kind of
compression device
[ e.g.. NASCAR weight jacking/wedge adjustment


Jim Berry   -----  temporally bone stock "arrest me red" 93 stealth]

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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 10:03:54 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: suspension upgrade

Adjustable collars.  These are most readily seen on motorcycle shocks but
are also used on many adjustable car shocks.


Barry

> -----Original Message-----
>
> origional message ---
>
> >For anyone concerned with weight biasing, keep in mind also that
> the height
> >adjustment feature of the GC system will allow you to dictate a certain
> >amount of weight transfer from front to rear or corner to corner for that
> >matter.  Furthermore spring preload can be adjusted to further
> tweak either
> >end's response.
> >
>
>
> how would spring preloading be accomplished, that implies some kind of
> compression device
> [ e.g.. NASCAR weight jacking/wedge adjustment
>
>
> Jim Berry   -----  temporally bone stock "arrest me red" 93 stealth]

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Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 18:59:35 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RIP Mitsubishi 3000 GT

My apologies to the list ! My moderator message was meant to be privately and it
seems that there was too much snow on the send button.

Darc, I'm very sorry for my mistake,
Roger

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Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 20:31:18 +0100
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Headlight cleaning

"R.G." wrote:
>
> > My question is this --- do you guys mind a few "cosmetic"
> > type questions from time to time, such as there is a faint
> > amount of clouding on the inside of the glass headlight
> > "fairings", up above the headlights. And, of course, this
> > looks twice as bad on a black car. I don't want to screw
> > anything up by popping them off for cleaning, I'm afraid
> > that might make the situation worse --- any suggestions??
>
> I guess that this is the same problem we discovered on Jim Matthews 94'Stealth,
> Jim ? Mabye it would be good to take a close-up shot of this and maybe one has a
> solution for the problem.

This does sound similar.  On my black '94, under each clear headlight
cover, there is an oval-shaped residue visible that looks like it might
be adhesive or something.  Not sure what it is and I don't know how to
get at it.  This problem is not visible on Mike Chapleski's black '95,
as his covers are actually black underneath with cutouts for the two
bulbs on each side.  Perhaps this was a known problem with the first
year of the 2nd gen cars ('94!) and Mike's '95 has the better solution.

-Jim
- --
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matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (64 Kbps ISDN)
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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 14:37:55 -0500
From: "Russell A. Coxe" <rcoxe@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Cam profiles: R/T vs. R/T TT

>What is the difference in the cam profiles for an NA R/T, and a TT?

The intake cam is the same for both the NA and Turbo motors:
opens BTDC 16 degs, closes ABDC 55 degs
This cam is designated by a "J" identification mark on the cam.

The exhaust cam on the NA motor is:
opens BBDC 48 degs, closes ATDC 15 degs
This cam is designated with a  "K" identification mark on the cam.

The exhaust cam on the turbo motor is:
opens BBDC 50 degs, closes ATDC 17 degs
This cam is designated with an "N" identification mark on the cam.

- - Russ Coxe
1995 3000GT
1995 Eclipse GSX-AT



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Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 11:48:13 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: RIP Mitsubishi 3000 GT

No worries bro...I'm bullet proof.   Like my car, I need a tune up every now and then
anyway :-)

Best

Darc

R.G. wrote:

> My apologies to the list ! My moderator message was meant to be privately and it
> seems that there was too much snow on the send button.
>
> Darc, I'm very sorry for my mistake,
> Roger
>



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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 15:14:15 EST
From: PFloyd91@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Headlight cleaning

In a message dated 2/6/99 1:29:26 PM Central Standard Time,
matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de writes:

<< Perhaps this was a known problem with the first
 year of the 2nd gen cars ('94!) and Mike's '95 has the better solution.
 
  -Jim
 --  >>


Yeah --- but mine's a '95 and it has this problem too!!

And I can't find a way to get under there either -- if I could,
the glass could get cleaned off and either painted or some
sort of film attached to give it a uniform look --
Oh well, we'll have to see what anyone else might come up
with ---

John
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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 15:30:10 EST
From: PFloyd91@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Headlamps

'Sorry for starting this thread again, but I was out of town last week, then
we got
a new computer, so I lost a lot of email in the process.

I assume these are the H4 replacements (blue arc bulbs and not the blue
spectrum "fake" ones) that had been discussed earlier -- after visiting the
lighting website (can't remember the name right now, Stern or something,
old computer in shop so can't retrieve old address) that explained the
reduced lighting of the blue spectrum, coated bulbs,  these would be the
Beemer/Mercedes type arc bulbs -- right?

Have looked at the Hella site -- lost that address too -- but, is this where
one can aquire these bulbs??

TIA

John

In a message dated 1/29/99 8:06:47 AM Central Standard Time, wala@hypertech-
inc.com writes:


 To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 
 Alright, it looks like they may fit. Like i said, They made a BIG
 difference on my Starions. I would highly recomend these over the HID
 imitations.
 
 At 07:49 PM 1/28/99 -0500, you wrote:
 >
 >For Everyone who wants to update your headlamps
 
 >Dear Mr. Stump
 >
 >To the best of our knowledge the 200mm H4 headlamps should fit into your
 >Dodge Stealth/Mitsu 3000 (91-93).
  >>
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Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 15:49:21 -0500
From: RPM Motorsports <rpmmotorsport@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: suspension upgrade

How are you guys adjusting your adjustable collars on the GC shocks? Are
you using a corner weight balance to even the car back out on all four
sides? I had heard that this is the only true way to get a fully
balanced car when you utilize adjustbale height suspensions, unless they
have indent markings of preset levels like the Koni struts which have
ring landings to control the perch for struts.
Are you guys also still using the strut cover boots with your ground
control setup? This is the boot which goes over the strut so you avoid
getting some dirt in the rod or piston piece.

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Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 15:37:34 -0600
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Cam profiles: R/T vs. R/T TT

Russell A. Coxe wrote:
> >What difference in cam NA R/T and TT?
> intake cam same for NA/Turbo:
> opens BTDC 16 degs, closes ABDC 55 degs
> designated "J" mark on cam.
 
> exhaust cam NA:
> opens BBDC 48 degs, closes ATDC 15 degs
> designated "K" mark on cam.
>
> exhaust cam turbo:
> opens BBDC 50 degs, closes ATDC 17 degs
> designated "N" mark on cam.

This means the exhaust cam on turbo motors has more open duration, by 4
degrees.
It opens 2 degrees SOONER, _AND_ closes 2 degrees LATER than the NA cam.
This is a mildly different lobe, not just a cam timing change.
Makes sense, as turbo has disproportionately more exhaust exiting. 
Jack Tertadian
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Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 16:39:35 -0500
From: RPM Motorsports <rpmmotorsport@adelphia.net>
Subject: Team3S: New Parts Again!

Well, I've finally received the Kaze Catalog from Japan for everyone who
has been asking about bodykit parts and the strut bar for the car over
there. Now I can fully distinquish between the years and different parts
available.  It would seem that they produce Clear Corner lens (Don't get
too excited Brad!)  and tailight covers also. Again, they do offer a
strut bar for the front of the vehicle but it does NOT fit with the
stock hood. They have created a new raised hood for the vehicle. They
also offer the little vent for the popup lights that a few of you guys
were asking me about. I'll try to scan the catalog and post on one of my
websites for everyone who is interested.

And for all the Bozz customers, YES I'm still working on trying to get
Cams and Sprockets for our car. And I am working on some information
regarding the TD05-16G turbo kit and the T67 Turbo kit for the car.
Check out the T67 kit at www.bozz.co.jp  it's on their Tokyo Auto Salon
99 pictures.
I think they have Alcon brakes available for our cars in Japan also.
Along with a larger Aluminium Radiator now.

I'm warning customers now, Japanese parts are not cheap and I have been
informed about the quality of the Kaze products. Just to warn everyone
ahead of time.

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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 15:31:12 -0600
From: "Steven A. File" <sfile@usa.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Headlamps

John,

Following please find my original message about the Stern lite site:

======================================================================

Try this web site to learn more than you probably want to know about car
lights:
http://lighting.mbz.org/

This guy claims to be a car lights guru. Lot's of interesting stuff. Worth
noting is his claim that the OEM wiring on most cars is of too small a gauge
and does not deliver full voltage. It would be interesting to know if this
applies to our cars!

Steve File
mailto:sfile@usa.net

Weekday Toy: '98 Mitsubishi 3000 GT, SOHC,
   Solano Black Pearl: "The Beep-Beep"
Weekend Toy: '97 Mitsubishi 3000 GT, VR-4, AWD, AWS, TT,
   Solano Black Pearl: "The Turbo Beep-Beep"

     "Some days you’re the dog . . .
            . . . some days you’re the hydrant."


- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of
PFloyd91@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 1999 2:30 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Headlamps



'Sorry for starting this thread again, but I was out of town last week, then
we got
a new computer, so I lost a lot of email in the process.

I assume these are the H4 replacements (blue arc bulbs and not the blue
spectrum "fake" ones) that had been discussed earlier -- after visiting the
lighting website (can't remember the name right now, Stern or something,



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Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 22:54:34
From: Mark Creekmore <mcreekmore@usa.net>
Subject: Re: [RE: Team3S: suspension upgrade]

Thanks for all of the great info.  Do you know of any auto shops that would be able to put our cars on a set of wheel scales to get a more precise adjustment?  Can you give us some more info on the camber plates?

Thanks,

Mark


owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com wrote:
> Adjustable collars.  These are most readily seen on motorcycle shocks but
> are also used on many adjustable car shocks.
>
>
> Barry
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > origional message ---
> >
> > >For anyone concerned with weight biasing, keep in mind also that
> > the height
> > >adjustment feature of the GC system will allow you to dictate a certain
> > >amount of weight transfer from front to rear or corner to corner for that
> > >matter.  Furthermore spring preload can be adjusted to further
> > tweak either
> > >end's response.
> > >
> >
> >
> > how would spring preloading be accomplished, that implies some kind of
> > compression device
> > [ e.g.. NASCAR weight jacking/wedge adjustment
> >
> >
> > Jim Berry   -----  temporally bone stock "arrest me red" 93 stealth]
>
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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 17:45:41 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Cam profiles: R/T vs. R/T TT

Oops.  Right you are Dr. Jack.  I blame it on dyslexia.  Thanks for the
correction.


Regards,

Barry

> > exhaust cam NA:
> > opens BBDC 48 degs, closes ATDC 15 degs
> > designated "K" mark on cam.
> >
> > exhaust cam turbo:
> > opens BBDC 50 degs, closes ATDC 17 degs
> > designated "N" mark on cam.
>
> This means the exhaust cam on turbo motors has more open duration, by 4
> degrees.
> It opens 2 degrees SOONER, _AND_ closes 2 degrees LATER than the NA cam.
> This is a mildly different lobe, not just a cam timing change.
> Makes sense, as turbo has disproportionately more exhaust exiting.
> Jack Tertadian

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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 17:54:41 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: suspension upgrade

I haven't done this yet but will be using corner scales.  They are four pads
with electronic scales.  It is the "right" way to do it but it can be done
using shock markings or a tape measure to get you into the ballpark.

Even the markings on struts will only get you in the ballpark.  The other
alternative is measuring from a fixed point to the adjuster, which is
roughly equivalent to using markings on shocks.

Corner scales are unfortunately kind of pricey for most indivduals but for a
shop might be feasible if they are doing a lot of suspension work.  I will
be using a set at a local shop.  I considered building some since they can
be made from a strain gauge and some electronics but even that would be a
luxury.

Typically you'll want to balance with a half tank of fuel and a driver or
equivalent weight (180 lbs seems to be the standard) taken into account.

Idon't have the boots on the front struts right now but will replace them
when the GC springs go in.


Regards,

Barry

> -----Original Message-----
>
> How are you guys adjusting your adjustable collars on the GC shocks? Are
> you using a corner weight balance to even the car back out on all four
> sides? I had heard that this is the only true way to get a fully
> balanced car when you utilize adjustbale height suspensions, unless they
> have indent markings of preset levels like the Koni struts which have
> ring landings to control the perch for struts.
> Are you guys also still using the strut cover boots with your ground
> control setup? This is the boot which goes over the strut so you avoid
> getting some dirt in the rod or piston piece.

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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 18:04:18 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: [RE: Team3S: suspension upgrade]

You'll just have to check around your local area to find a shop with scales.
Target Porsche  and BMW performance shops that have road race or auto-x
customers since they tend to be more serious about car prep.  Any decent
shop with a road race bent will have access to corner scales.  Try asking
independant alignment shops as well.  You could even look for NASCAR and
road race specialty shops who normally don't even deal with the public.
Sometimes these guys (who are usually VERY busy and used to dealing with
$100K repairs) will give an enthusiast a break and take you in.

The camber plates I am getting are a universal fit.  They are designed with
GC components in mind but will work with even stock struts.  Basically it
allows the strut tower to be located along two axis to allow for full camber
and caster adjustment.  Unlike similar offerings from TEIN and Cusco, the GC
kits come with a spherical bearing which will greatly reduce wear on the
upper pillow mount.

You'll notice more feedback from the suspension and it will liekly be a
little noisier but also noticably better, more precise control since there
isn't nearly as much slop as found in what comes from the factory.  This
isn't limited to the VR4 as almost all consumer vehicles are built to
compromise ride for performance.

Pricing on the GC camber plates is competitive.  Cheaper than Cusco and
(now) cheaper than TEIN and probably better than either.  The downside is
that you have to drill new holes to mount the GC kit since it uses a 4 hole
mounting plate.  The VR4 uses 3.


Regards,

Barry

> -----Original Message-----
>
> Thanks for all of the great info.  Do you know of any auto shops
> that would be able to put our cars on a set of wheel scales to
> get a more precise adjustment?  Can you give us some more info on
> the camber plates?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark

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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 20:10:16 -0700
From: "james berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: team 3S: suspension upgrade

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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 22:59:58 -0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: Team3S: 1,2,3,4 syncros for sale.

Okay, Thanks for all the replies for my first offering of syncros.

We have now sold the Stealth, so I do have a second set of syncros for sale.

This is 1,2,3,4 syncros. Does not include reverse or 5th/6th gear.

Since I got over 10 "I want them" replies, I want to sell the set for
330.00. (sorry to mark them up, but it is a supply & demand thing)

If this is too high, I will take the highest offer for the set. I want to
auction these.  I will hold the set until the 20th (Read: bidding is open
until the 20th of February)

Trades will also be considered.  I am looking to upgrade my computer to the
newer PII platform.


> Brad
>
> Check out my home page:    http://lonestar.texas.net/~bbedell
> E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682



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Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 03:22:49 -0500
From: RPM Motorsports <rpmmotorsport@adelphia.net>
Subject: Team3S: New Products

I have pictures of all the Kaze Products available on the following
website  www.home.adelphia.net/~rpmmotor
I'd be happy to answer any questions anyone has.

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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 13:32:34 +0100
From: Kevin Clark <Kevin.Clark@hnz.co.nz>
Subject: RE: Team3S: New Products

> I have pictures of all the Kaze Products available on the following
> website http://home.adelphia.net/~rpmmotor/html/kaze.html

Whow,  some nice stuff there.  However I can see that you were not
kidding when you mentioned that it ain't cheap...

My Christmas list for my '91 would definitely include the side
skirts and the projection lights.  Actually I have a Birthday
coming up in a couple of weeks... anyone got an extra two grand
for a well loved car...

Still, on the bright side, having the car look stock from the
outside has meant no questions from the warrantee company  :)

Cheers,
Kevin Clark
'91 GTO-VR4
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Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 09:06:59 -0600
From: Bill Davis <b-davis@primary.net>
Subject: Team3S: POTHOLES update long

I want to thank everyone for their input on the problem.
I have not responded because I have been very sick for
like the last ten days. So far one ruptured ear drum, and
right now it feels like someone is driving a nail into my
cheek bone. I never knew sinus problems could be this bad.

Nuff o that.

Jeff C.
The situation you mentioned came about for two reasons.
First and foremost, media coverage. Secondly that situation
had been reported by many drivers, and effectively ignored
by the highway dept, thus NEGLECT. I drove by my spot
on I-40 the following monday, and they were out there fixing
it, so no NEGLECT.

John H.
You mention that the holes are coming back, I'm not going to
find out. Here is the phone number I called for St Louis Co.
that told me if it were a road they maintain that they would
pay for the damage.
Highways & Traffic
(problem potholes/damaged pavement)........854-6538
(Emergency)................................................997-9999
The lady I talked to did not hesitate when she told me this,
and I called because someone else told me St. Louis Co.
would pay for it.

Someone also mentioned trying to negotiate with my insurance
company for a comp claim, but noooo, I hit the potholes.
Given my other two choices, the wall to my left, or the cars
to my right, yes I hit the potholes.

There is a positive side to the whole thing though. They have
had my car for almost two weeks now waiting for the wheels
to come in from Cal. My car never sits in one spot for more
than a couple of days. When they moved it they noticed some
engine coolant on the ground, the looked for the leak, and found
the water pump leaking a tiny bit from the seep hole. The service
manager called me friday, and told me that they were going to
have toreplace the water pump, "WARRANTY", would I like
them to replace the timing belt while they are in there. My car
has just under 58K on it, and I'm going to get the timing belt,
tensioner, and water pump replaced for the cost of the tensioner,
and belt. This was the only part of the 60K service I didnt feel
confident in doing myself, so chalk one up for the victim.

This whole ordeal has really given me an attitude about paying
my personal property taxes, and such. Oh well.

By the way Lou Fusz Mitsubishi in St. Louis is where my car
is being worked on, and the parts guy GregYates, does discount
my parts, I'm not sure how it compares to Tallahassee Mitsu, but
the last time I looked, called it a wash to be able to drive two
miles to get them, versus ordering, and waiting.

Bill Davis (broke)95 VR-4

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