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Date:
Thu, 4 Feb 1999 06:44:53 -0500
From: "Meyer" <meyer2@erols.com>
Subject: Team3S: Fw:
92 RT TT Problem Urgent help!!!!
any ideas?
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Maged Shaker <magshaker@hotmail.com>
To: stealth@dragnet.com <stealth@dragnet.com>
Date: Thursday,
February 04, 1999 5:07 AM
Subject: 92 RT TT Problem Urgent
help!!!!
>Hi everyone,
>
>I really have a huge problem
with my stealth,
>can anyone help,
>
>One fine morning I
started it up no prob's then all of a sudden it just
>stopped, I tried it
again but all it would do is crank but no ignition,
>I had it towed to a
garage, they worked on it for two days but came up
>with nothing after
they checked all the fuses an electrical circut they
>said that it could
be the ECU since when on my second attempt to start
>it there was a wisp
of smoke comming from behind the CD-Tape player
>panel.
>
>Does anyone out there know or can help me out here
in what do you think
>is the cause of all this misery
>
>please help
!
>
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Date:
Thu, 4 Feb 1999 07:43:56 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Fw: 92 RT TT Problem Urgent help!!!!
Sounds like the
ECU. There are some capacitors on the motherboard that
start
leaking. Go to http://www.tmo.com/howto/ecu1g/caps.htm.
Todd
explains what happens when they leak.
- -Bob
> any
ideas?
> > <snip> Since when on my second attempt to
start
> >it there was a wisp of smoke comming from behind the CD-Tape
player
> >panel.
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Date:
Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:54:29 -0600
From: "Wendlandt, Mark (MN51)" <MWendlan@cfsmo.honeywell.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Timing belt slippage
I created the "special tool" by taking a
large(14") channel lock pliers and
drilling holes in each of the jaws(3/8"
holes across from each other towards
the end of the jaws). Then get
some grade 5,8 bolts and put them in the
holes. Adjust the pliers so
the bolts fit in the holes in the crank pulley
and rest the pliers on the
a-arm.....loosen the crank bolt.
This worked great!! and you don't ruin
the
pliers!
Mark
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Wendlandt Honeywell CASSPO-Development
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- -----Original
Message-----
From: PHorschel [mailto:phorschel@utah-inter.net]
Sent:
Wednesday, February 03, 1999 9:49 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Timing belt slippage
This is just a way to take the bolt
out of the crankshaft pulley. The
timing belt is still on the engine
when you do this. I have done this on a
few different makes of cars
with no problems. Just be sure the belt is
still on there before you do
this. A good impact wrench would be the best
way to do it.
- -Paul
Horschel
> BTW-If you don't have the proper tool to keep the
crankshaft from spinning
> while you remove the bolt you can put a breaker
bar with a socket
> on the nut
> and back it up against the
A-arm(control arm) and hit the key. This could
> be very
dangerous. Do it at your own risk.
> I strongly advise not to do
this. These are interference engines
> (at least my 91 TT is).
If you turn over the crankshaft with the
> timing belt removed, there is a
chance that the piston(s) could
> hit an open valve(s), causing severe,
expensive damage to your
> engine. The way the Mitsu mechanic here
removes the pulley bolt
> is with a very high torque air impact
wrench. This removes the
> bolt without turning the engine
over. The special crankshaft
> tool is no longer available, as far
as I know (not from Mitsu,
> Snapon, or Mack).
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Date:
Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:39:33 -0600
From: "Steven A. File" <sfile@usa.net>
Subject: Team3S: RIP
Mitsubishi 3000 GT
It's definitely true. Our local Mitsubishi dealer got
a letter from MMSA
Distribution asking how many 3000 GTs and what models they
want for the
"sell down" for the model's final year (1999). I saw a copy of
the letter,
so it is definitely the end of the line for the 3000 GT, at least
as we know
and love it!!
Steve File
mailto:sfile@usa.net
"Some days you're
the dog . . .
. . . other days you're the
hydrant."
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Date:
Thu, 04 Feb 1999 17:06:56 +0100
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Fw: 92 RT TT Problem Urgent help!!!!
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Maged Shaker <magshaker@hotmail.com>
> To: stealth@dragnet.com <stealth@dragnet.com>
> Date:
Thursday, February 04, 1999 5:07 AM
> Subject: 92 RT TT Problem Urgent
help!!!!
>
> >One fine morning I started it up no prob's then
all of a sudden it just
> >stopped, I tried it again but all it would
do is crank but no ignition,
> >I had it towed to a garage, they worked
on it for two days but came up
> >with nothing after they checked all
the fuses an electrical circut they
> >said that it could be the ECU
since when on my second attempt to start
> >it there was a wisp of
smoke comming from behind the CD-Tape player
> >panel.
Hmm,
don't know about the smoke in the cockpit but I suffered through
the same
experience a few years ago after installing the FIPK (without
disconnecting
the battery to reset things). Basically, the MAS decided
it was seeing
too much air and caused a shot circuit that blew a fuse
and killed the
motor. Engine would crank but no ignition. Problem was
resolved
by disconnecting the battery, disconnecting the MAS harness
plug, replacing
the fuse, and reconnecting the plug, and reconnecting
the battery.
Fired right up and haven't had a problem since!
Good luck...
-Jim
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Date:
Thu, 04 Feb 1999 11:16:35 -0800
From: Ken Middaugh <middaugh@omega.gat.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Re: 92 RT TT Problem Urgent help!!!!
> >One fine morning I
started it up no prob's then all of a sudden it just
> >stopped, I
tried it again but all it would do is crank but no ignition,
> >I had
it towed to a garage, they worked on it for two days but came up
>
>with nothing after they checked all the fuses an electrical circut
they
> >said that it could be the ECU since when on my second attempt
to start
> >it there was a wisp of smoke comming from behind the
CD-Tape player
> >panel.
Did they pull the error codes from the
ECU? This should help diagnose
the problem.
It sounds
suspiciously like an electric component failure. ECU or
crankshaft or
camshaft angle position sensors.
Good luck,
Ken
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General Atomics
San Diego
(619) 455-4510
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Date:
Thu, 04 Feb 1999 14:04:43 -0600
From: Jeff Crabtree <wjcrabtree@sprintmail.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: RIP Mitsubishi 3000 GT
"Steven A. File" wrote:
>
Mitsubishi dealer got a letter from MMSA
> Distribution asking how many
3000 GTs and what models they want for the
> "sell down" for the model's
final year (1999).
I was @ the St. Louis Auto show a couple of weeks ago,
and I asked about the fate of the
3000 at the mitsu display. I was told
that there will be no Y2K model, but the car will
be back in 2001, completely
remodled. On a down note, I was also told that they plan on
doing away
with the turbo version of the car. They said that fewer and fewer
people
were willing to pay the premium price hike for the increase in
performance. R.I.P. "TT"
- --
- -Jeff
Crabtree
'91 Stealth R/T
Turbo(#499)
'93
Wrangler 4.0L
Sport
St. Louis, MO
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Date:
Thu, 04 Feb 1999 13:08:32 -0700
From: Dave <monarchd+team3s@colorado.edu>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Mods and True gains
Regarding filtration and forced
induction, it dawned on me that there
was a serious
debate on a VW Corrado
list that I'm on, about whether a K&N was letting
in too
much dust and
damaging the bearings on the G-Lader superchargers.
The
issue
was that the G-60 superchargers were built to extremely close
tolerances
and tended
to be short-lived without "proper"filtration.
I know that the K&N (or
similar) seems
to be the first choice mod
among the majority of TT owners, and I would
imagine
there would be
negative comments if this mod were causing
consistant
problems.
Comments?
Dave
91 VR4
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Date:
Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:53:47 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Mods and
True gains - getting long
In furtherance of my comments...I have read
reports specifically about
K & N from a heavy equipment contractor.
This company
(I'm a contractor too) runs numerous turbo diesels that cost
upwards
of a million each. They did a study of using the "reusable" K&N
filter
in place of the factory filters that last only a few weeks in heavy
construction environments. The results were disappointing. They did not
perform as well as the factory filters, in cleaning the air. Nothing to
do
with performance in the report. The concern & disappointment was that
they could not cut the replacement costs of the factory filters by using
the "reusable" K&N due to poor filtration. If I recall it all, the heads
were
in essence being sandblasted by minute particles getting through the
filter.
On A Million Dollar plus machine, this is serious stuff. There is
usually a
bit
of a trade off in any performance enhancement. If you get
better tires,
don't they wear faster? Same with an air filter, more less
restricted air, =
not filtered as well.
Arty 91 VR-4
In
a message dated 2/4/99 12:09:02 PM Pacific Standard Time,
monarchd+team3s@colorado.edu
writes:
<< Subj: Re: Team3S: Mods and True gains
Date:
2/4/99 12:09:02 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: monarchd+team3s@colorado.edu
(Dave)
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Reply-to:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Regarding
filtration and forced induction, it dawned on me that there
was a
serious
debate on a VW Corrado list that I'm on, about whether a
K&N was letting
in too
much dust and damaging the bearings
on the G-Lader superchargers. The
issue
was that
the G-60 superchargers were built to extremely close tolerances
and
tended
to be short-lived without "proper"filtration. I know that
the K&N (or
similar) seems
to be the first choice mod
among the majority of TT owners, and I would
imagine
there
would be negative comments if this mod were causing
consistant
problems.
Comments?
Dave
91
VR4
>>
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Date:
Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:11:32 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Mods and True gains - getting long
I'd sure love to get my
hands on one of those earthmover turbos...but
seriously, are the conditions
the we put our cars through the same as an
earthmover or caterpillar
bulldozer?
- -Bob
> If I recall it all, the heads were in
essence being sandblasted by minute
particles
> getting through the
filter. On A Million Dollar plus machine, this is
serious stuff. > There
is usually a bit of a trade off in any performance
enhancement.
C'mon
Arty, we know the REAL reason they were using K & N filters...better
trap
speeds!
- -Bob
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Date:
Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:14:37 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject:
Team3S: RE: K&N versus Stock versus ???
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From: Aso8@aol.com [mailto:Aso8@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February
04, 1999 12:54 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Cc:
Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Mods and
True gains - getting long
<snip>
There is usually a bit of a trade
off in any performance enhancement. If you
get better tires, don't they wear
faster? Same with an air filter, more less
restricted air, = not filtered as
well. Arty 91 VR-4
<end of
snip>
==============================
Arty...
Good observation.
One alternative...
If the aftermarket filter has more surface area than
the stock, it should
allow better air flow, even if it has the same filter
density. True? I think
that's a fundamental advantage of the HKS, mine has a
dual bell with what I
would guess is thirty or forty square inches of
filtered air flow. The stock
unit was perhaps twelve square inches. BTW...I'm
not a fan of paper filters,
which is why I didn't buy the
K&N.
However, filter density could be a big factor. I know there's
some strip
racers who pull their filter entirely (for a 1/4 mile) and some
who run a
nylon over the mouth. Both would allow a considerable increase of
flow (over
stock OR aftermarket). Ahhhhh, but the risk.
Soooo, the
question for those of you with daily drivers...has anyone ever
used the stock
assembly for daily driving, then put on the aftermarket for
race days? This
is one of those cases where I wish I lived down the street
from Roger Gerl,
so we could swap parts on and off, and dyno the car with
every change. Ahhh,
for an AWD dyno in town.
Looking forward...Chris
1995 Glacier
Pearl White VR4 (w/HKS Super Flo intake, HKS SBOV, Predator dry
cell battery,
bored and polished throttle body, Magnecore 8.5mm wires, HKS
double platinum
plugs gapped at .034", GReddy PRofec A boost controller,
GReddy turbo timer,
ATR downpipe and test pipe, GReddy catback exhaust,
Eibach 1" drop
progressive springs)
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Date:
Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:44:04 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Mods and
True gains - getting long
In a message dated 2/4/99 1:13:57 PM Pacific
Standard Time,
bfontana@securitytechnologies.com
writes:
<< Subj: RE: Team3S: Mods and True gains - getting
long
Date: 2/4/99 1:13:57 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: bfontana@securitytechnologies.com
(Bob Fontana)
Hi Bob, probably not. But, I'd bet the air velocity
going into your filter at
WOT is substantially greater then one of these
monster machines. And, yeah one
of these turbos would be fun to
try.
Arty
I'd sure love to get my hands on one of those
earthmover turbos...but
seriously, are the conditions the we put our
cars through the same as an
earthmover or caterpillar
bulldozer?
-Bob
>>
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Date:
Thu, 04 Feb 1999 15:09:55 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: RE: K&N versus Stock versus ???
It is generally accepted that
any filter that gives you greater air flow is not going to
filter air as
well. If you want a micron filter, and I'm sure someone could fabricate
one,
then expect severe flow restrictions with impecable filtration. Also be prepared
to
change it every day, and to have low, low performance. But, you'll have a
shiny engine
interior :-)
I doubt I would run my car in
heavy dust situations with a K&N, and were these
conditions the norm, as
with the heavy equipment guy, I would opt for the OE filter and
put it and
the box back on my car. Why be stupid when you don't have to
be.
Generally common sense makes sense. You get what you pay for, and you
get what the
manufacturer indicates his product is best
for.
Best
Darc
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Date:
Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:19:43 -0500
From: "Alex Gregory" <agtkache@unity.ncsu.edu>
Subject:
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Date:
Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:35:54 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Mods and True gains - getting long
I think it is of greater concern in
some parts of the country over others.
Here in AZ dust and sand particles
would be a bigger concern -- it gets
everywhere. Might also be the case
in some other dry and dusty areas
whereas it may not be on the
coasts.
In any case, the point is well taken. Driving around in a
sand pit or a
mine all day is different than cruising on paved roads. I
think.
Regards,
Barry
> -----Original
Message-----
> I'd sure love to get my hands on one of those earthmover
turbos...but
> seriously, are the conditions the we put our cars through
the same as an
> earthmover or caterpillar bulldozer?
>
>
-Bob
>
> > If I recall it all, the heads were in essence being
sandblasted
> by minute
> particles
> > getting through the
filter. On A Million Dollar plus machine, this is
> serious stuff. >
There is usually a bit of a trade off in any performance
>
enhancement.
>
> C'mon Arty, we know the REAL reason they were using
K & N filters...better
> trap speeds!
>
> -Bob
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Date:
Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:15:23 -0800
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Tranny problem?
Hi Guys,
I've got a question for those of you
who know a decent amount about
trannies. I just had my (mitsu) 5-speed
rebuilt by my dealer, under
warranty, (1st, 2nd synchros replaced, 1st, 2nd
gear bearings replaced) and
the notchy shifting I had experienced before is
reduced and eliminated in
some cases. However sometimes, especially
when it's cold, the shifter is
still really notchy, and a couple of times has
even ground the gears (1st
and 2nd).
Symptoms(all with clutch on the
floor, fully disengaged- yes, it's adjusted
properly):
1)
two-phase shifting- shifter goes about halfway into gear, reaches
resistance,
and then slips all the way into gear. (maybe synchro/collar
contact,
followed by collar/gear contact?) Worse when cold.
2) (about 3
times in the last month) really cacophonous gear grating
noise...example
conditions: just started out of parking lot after work (40F
and car's
been sitting for 9 hours), 1st is fine(going easy), get to 3500RPM
or so,
decide to shift to 2nd, shifter comes halfway back, meets resistance,
pull a
little harder, nasty grinding noise, put it back in neutral, try
again for
2nd after having everyone in the parking lot staring at me, 2nd
engages
smoothly, I leave parking lot with tail between legs.
This doesn't
seem normal to me, and the second symptom, although very
infrequent and only
when cold(so far)is very troubling. #2 happened once
while trying to
downshift to 1st while going 7.36mph and attempting to
rev-match,
too.
So, any ideas? Should I go back to the dealer? Maybe the
synchros aren't
sticky enough at low temperatures? (Technical: low
coefficient of friction
at the synchro/collar interface in cold
conditions?) Does our layshaft have
a HUGE rotational inertia or
something? Is my tranny a piece of crap?
Comments, please...
:)
TIA
- --Erik
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Erik
Gross
DuPont, WA
'95 Pearl White 3000GT 48k mi - resonatorless + bald tire mod
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doubt? If there were no room for doubt, there
would be
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Date:
Thu, 04 Feb 1999 17:39:46 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Fw: 3SI discount
Alex Gregory wrote:
>
Sorry for previous misspelling of the list.
>
> Actually we try and
think of it as a team (Team 3S) but 3Si will do
> for now. As per your
query, Chen at Nexus has always afforded us a
> discount. You can start
there, and by then, there's sure to be a few
> more of our friends in
commerce/motorsports who'll give you an idea of
> their downright fair and
competitive nature. : )
>
> Best
>
>
Darc
>
>
>
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Date:
Thu, 4 Feb 1999 21:45:37 -0500
From: "Marc Spinale" <mspinale@mediaone.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Tranny problem?
Erik,
My 93 transmission (#2 from
Mitsu) had the exact same problem you describe
(1st to 2nd). I believe it's
definitely an internal defect. In my case, a
rebuilt tranny was installed to
fix another problem and the new problem you
describe began. I made the
mistake of assuming that they simply adjusted
the cables
incorrectly.
It had resistance going into 2nd gear from 1st. It did
not happen all the
time but often enough to be a nuisance. My Mitsu
dealer explained that they
were not authorized to do even the smallest of
repairs on the units. Not
even a seal or gasket so I'm surprised to hear that
they opened yours up.
I wonder if the dealer put the wrong fluid in
it. Almost sounds like
there's heavy weight gear fluid inside. I
would go back to the dealer and
insist that they fix it. If they give
you trouble, ask for the contact info
for their Mitsubishi Rep,
Hope
this helps!
Good luck.
- -Marc
93 VR4
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On
Behalf Of Gross, Erik
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 8:15 PM
>
To: 'Starnet 3Si Mailing List'; 'Dragnet 3S Mailing List'
> Subject:
Team3S: Tranny problem?
>
>
> Hi Guys,
> I've got a
question for those of you who know a decent amount about
> trannies.
I just had my (mitsu) 5-speed rebuilt by my dealer, under
> warranty,
(1st, 2nd synchros replaced, 1st, 2nd gear bearings
> replaced)
and
> the notchy shifting I had experienced before is reduced and
eliminated in
> some cases. However sometimes, especially when it's
cold, the shifter is
> still really notchy, and a couple of times has even
ground the gears (1st
> and 2nd).
>
> Symptoms(all with clutch
on the floor, fully disengaged- yes,
> it's adjusted
>
properly):
>
> 1) two-phase shifting- shifter goes about halfway
into gear, reaches
> resistance, and then slips all the way into
gear. (maybe synchro/collar
> contact, followed by collar/gear
contact?) Worse when cold.
>
> 2) (about 3 times in the last
month) really cacophonous gear grating
> noise...example conditions:
just started out of parking lot
> after work (40F
> and car's been
sitting for 9 hours), 1st is fine(going easy), get
> to 3500RPM
> or
so, decide to shift to 2nd, shifter comes halfway back, meets
>
resistance,
> pull a little harder, nasty grinding noise, put it back in
neutral, try
> again for 2nd after having everyone in the parking lot
staring at me, 2nd
> engages smoothly, I leave parking lot with tail
between legs.
>
>
> This doesn't seem normal to me, and the
second symptom, although very
> infrequent and only when cold(so far)is
very troubling. #2 happened once
> while trying to downshift to 1st
while going 7.36mph and attempting to
> rev-match, too.
>
>
So, any ideas? Should I go back to the dealer? Maybe the synchros
aren't
> sticky enough at low temperatures? (Technical: low coefficient of
friction
> at the synchro/collar interface in cold conditions?) Does
our
> layshaft have
> a HUGE rotational inertia or something?
Is my tranny a piece of crap?
> Comments, please... :)
>
>
TIA
> --Erik
>
>
>
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> Erik
Gross
DuPont, WA
> '95 Pearl White 3000GT 48k mi - resonatorless + bald tire
mod
>
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process, how could
> God reveal Himself in a way
that would leave no room for
> doubt? If
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> no
room for
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Date:
Thu, 04 Feb 1999 22:05:42 -0500
From: Irving & Ana Jimenez <lt1power@crystal.palace.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Estimated HorsePower ?
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Hey Gang
!
Well I'm about to embark on another high performance adventure
( it
seems I can't leave well-enough alone - )
I'm about to order some parts for
my car and want to get a feel of about how much power
I should be making with
these mods
Order List :
K&N Filter
HKS Cat back System (
dual tip )
Down pipe ( not sure which brand yet )
HKS Boost
Controller
HKS SBOV
note my car is a "96 VR-4 with 41K
miles
Any estimates would be greatly appreciated :o)
especially what
1/4 mile times anyone has seen with these or similar
mods
Irving
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<P>Hey Gang !
<P>Well I'm
about to embark on another high performance adventure
<BR>( it seems I
can't leave well-enough alone - )
<BR>I'm about to order some parts for
my car and want to get a feel of
about how much power I should be making with
these mods
<P>Order List :
<P>K&N
Filter
<BR>HKS Cat back System ( dual tip )
<BR>Down pipe (
not sure which brand yet )
<BR>HKS Boost Controller
<BR>HKS
SBOV<B></B>
<P>note my car is a "96 VR-4 with 41K
miles
<P>Any estimates would be greatly appreciated
:o)
<BR>especially what 1/4 mile times anyone has seen with these or
similar
mods
<P>Irving
<BR>
<BR> </HTML>
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Date:
Fri, 5 Feb 1999 00:06:10 -0500
From: "Marc Spinale" <mspinale@mediaone.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Best kept secret?
After much research, I picked up a Borla cat
back system a few months ago
for my 93 VR4 -- only $479. $486 at my
door. This was by far the best price
I found anywhere! The other guys,
not even Borla via the net, could match
this deal.
It was purchased
from Jeg's High Performance - 800-345-4545.
http://webstore.jegs.com/cgi-bin/Jegs1.storefront/1490032616/Home?JEG's
These
guys usually deal with domestic stuff and all out Chevy/Ford racing
parts.
They happen to be the biggest reseller of Borla and offer what
appears to be
one of the best deals!
I've got to say, the staff at Stillen is
great. I wish the prices were a
bit more competitive. Ryan, a
staff member there, owns a 92 Stealth TT.
He's a great guy to talk to if you
need parts for your TT.
- -Marc
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Date:
Fri, 05 Feb 1999 00:06:08 -0500
From: Jason Barnhart <phnxgld@erols.com>
Subject: Team3S:
RE: K&N versus Stock. tests, proof?
wce@bc.sympatico.ca wrote:
>
> It is generally accepted that any filter that gives you greater air
flow is not going to
> filter air as well. If you want a micron filter,
and I'm sure someone could fabricate
> one, then expect severe flow
restrictions with impecable filtration. Also be prepared to
> change it
every day, and to have low, low performance. But, you'll have a shiny
engine
> interior :-)
I think it'd be a good idea to get some
proof before everyone starts
thinking that any aftermarket filter is not
going to filter as well as a
factory filter. In the case of the million
dollar earth movers, any
reason to think that the stock filters are excellent
already??? I mean
the thing does cost a million dollars. Also
keep in mind that it sounds
like they were looking to save money, not improve
performance. Sounds
very likely to me that their filters are just plain
better already.
Who's to say that the stock Mitsu filter actually filters
any better?
It's very possible for a higher flowing filter to filter equal
even
better, and what manufacturer out there doesn't pinch pennies and
use
inferior parts at times? I'd be willing to bet the factory Mitsu
filter
sucks for airflow, AND filtration, and I'd rather see hard proof on
this
than draw assumptions that an aftermarket filter is going to
filter
worse.
Jason
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Date:
Fri, 05 Feb 1999 00:16:32 -0500
From: Ron Thompson <rtetetet@earthlink.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Tranny problem?
Try changing the trany fluid. My Eclise
trany
shifted lousy with Valvoline gear oil but was ok
with Quaker State.
The temp has alot to to do with
your situation, trany temo won't come up for
some
time after the engine temp and gear oil is really
ornery when cold.
All of the problems you describe
were the same in my Eclipse and my 96 VR4 is
real
notchy in the morning.
Ron
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Date:
Fri, 05 Feb 1999 00:21:00 -0500
From: Jason Barnhart <phnxgld@erols.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Mods and True gains
Ricardo Cousar wrote:
>
> >
. You don't have to generate horsepower to improve the performace
of
> > your car. (Lose weight, reduce drag, etc.)
>
> This
is all true, but we are talking about true hp gain, allot of people think that
just
> by adding an air filter they are actually adding horses. My goal is
get get past the
> myth and get back to reality.
>
>
> You talk about Dyno #'s, problem is they're not comparible to
any
> > other cars that have any different mods. The # of HP
gained with a K&N on
> > an otherwise stock car is not going to be
the same as one that has "The
> > Works"
>
> This is also
true, but you have to have some reference point to start with. Remember
>
changing the air filter is the first mod most people do, and don't you
think it would
> be misleading to compare a race car with a street car.
It's like apples and oranges.
A few other points I forgot to
mention... The only way I can see a
higher flowing filter not adding
power is if there is something else in
the system restricting it to a point
where it wouldn't matter if you ran
no filter. If that was the case,
wouldn't the restriction be the first
recommended mod? It also sounds
as though you're saying that a filter
wouldn't add ANY hp now, but in your
first post you mentioned SEEING
dyno testing showing a 2hp gain.
Also, say a mod helps the turbos spool quicker. This wouldn't equate
to
any more peak hp/torque, but wouldn't it be more hp/torque at a
lower
rpm? Then wouldn't it be correct to say it adds
hp/torque?
Until someone can show me, on a dyno, 2 nearly identicle
VR4s, one
with an aftermarket filter and one without, and no performance
gain,
then I'm going to keep going with my own common sense on this.
Regardless of proof, nothing anyone else has said yet even makes sense
to
me as to why a higher flowing filter would not produce more power if
all
other circumstances are equal.
Jason
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Date:
Thu, 4 Feb 1999 23:25:16 -0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: RE: K&N versus Stock. tests, proof?
I agree here on
the "hard data" needed.
I have not read a K&N cleaning instruction sheet
in quite some time. The
instructions use to read:
The filter
will actually filter better after it becomes a little dirty.
Meaning the
holes in the filter are closed up by the dirt.
Those of you who like to
keep their filters clean... Think about it. K&N
designed the filters to
clean better after they are somewhat dirty.
>
Brad
>
> Check out my home page: http://lonestar.texas.net/~bbedell
>
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- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]
On Behalf Of Jason Barnhart
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 11:06 PM
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Team3S: RE: K&N versus Stock. tests, proof?
wce@bc.sympatico.ca wrote:
>
>
It is generally accepted that any filter that gives you greater air flow
is
not going to
> filter air as well. If you want a micron filter, and I'm
sure someone
could fabricate
> one, then expect severe flow
restrictions with impecable filtration. Also
be prepared to
> change it
every day, and to have low, low performance. But, you'll have a
shiny
engine
> interior :-)
I think it'd be a good idea to get some
proof before everyone starts
thinking that any aftermarket filter is not
going to filter as well as a
factory filter. In the case of the million
dollar earth movers, any
reason to think that the stock filters are excellent
already??? I mean
the thing does cost a million dollars. Also
keep in mind that it sounds
like they were looking to save money, not improve
performance. Sounds
very likely to me that their filters are just plain
better already.
Who's to say that the stock Mitsu filter actually filters any
better?
It's very possible for a higher flowing filter to filter equal
even
better, and what manufacturer out there doesn't pinch pennies and
use
inferior parts at times? I'd be willing to bet the factory Mitsu
filter
sucks for airflow, AND filtration, and I'd rather see hard proof on
this
than draw assumptions that an aftermarket filter is going to
filter
worse.
Jason
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Date:
Thu, 4 Feb 1999 23:49:28 -0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject:
Team3S: in search for a 93+ Turbo shortblock
Hey everyone, I
am needing a good core 93+ twin turbo engine. Does anyone
have any
friends at a mitsu dealer that can set me up with a warranty block,
or
such?
Thanks,
> Brad
Member of ESSC since 1999>
>
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>
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Date:
Fri, 05 Feb 1999 07:42:47 +0100
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Estimated HorsePower ?
Irving & Ana Jimenez
wrote:
>
> Hey Gang !
>
> Well I'm about to embark on
another high performance adventure
> ( it seems I can't leave well-enough
alone - )
> I'm about to order some parts for my car and want to get a
feel of
> about how much power I should be making with these mods
>
> Order List :
>
> K&N Filter
> HKS Cat back
System ( dual tip )
> Down pipe ( not sure which brand yet )
> HKS
Boost Controller
> HKS SBOV
>
> note my car is a "96 VR-4
with 41K miles
>
> Any estimates would be greatly appreciated
:o)
> especially what 1/4 mile times anyone has seen with these or
similar
> mods
>
> Irving
Irving,
Your car will
make approx. 400 SAE HP with those mods. At normal boost
levels (1.00
bar or so), the expensive exhaust system will give you
little to no
horsepower, just steal a little torque from the low end
where you drive most
often and move the curve up to the high end where
your injectors will be
maxed out. Take a look at my web page for more
info. Roger Gerl's
dyno page is also almost ready and will have a more
in-depth
explanation.
In my opinion, the money you plan to spend on the exhaust system
and
would be better spent on fuel delivery upgrades. Good
luck!!
-Jim
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Jet
Black '94 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active
Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0
bar @ 72% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off
Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
Metal Matrix
brake pads, custom braided brake lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top
Speed: 168mph
G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb
99 Dyno Session: 406 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft torque
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Date:
Fri, 05 Feb 1999 22:56:50 -0800
From: "Errin D. Humphrey" <errin@u.washington.edu>
Subject:
Team3S: Re: TSB's...
All,
A while back Thomas was asking me about
TSB's. He just
sent me this link which lists them all. Could
somebody please
answer his question for me? I'm clueless. I'll
forward the
answer back to him.
- --Errin
>
Hey Errin
remember how I mentioned to u before about those TSB's?
Here they are.
My question is can we take our cars to the dealerships
& they'll fix the
problems for free? I want to get my horn fixed cuz the
horn
button falls out & doesn't work. Well thanks if you can help
me
out. C-ya.
T. [Thomas Broadbent]
http://www.alldata.com/consumer/TSB/39/95392116.html
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Date:
Fri, 5 Feb 1999 00:11:32 -0800
From: "Bill" <compren@lightspeed.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: RE: K&N versus Stock. tests, proof?
Funyn part is I
waited 20k miles to clean mine, it was BARELY dirty and took
a few drops to
clean....Course it came with a 16oz container of cleaner,
figure I can go
about 3 million miles, before I lose the bottle....
- -Bill/K&N the
only after market part your mom can install....Besides the
Lame_ass "No Fear"
stickers everyone has now...
>I have not read a K&N cleaning
instruction sheet in quite some time. The
>instructions use to
read:
>
>The filter will actually filter better after it becomes a
little dirty.
>Meaning the holes in the filter are closed up by the
dirt.
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Date:
Fri, 5 Feb 1999 00:13:52 -0800
From: "Bill" <compren@lightspeed.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Best kept secret?
That's where I got mine, no one else was
close, I had to know the part #
though because they didn't have a
clue.
Believe the guys from Nexus sent me there when they didn't have
it...
- -Bill
>After much research, I picked up a Borla
cat back system a few months ago
>for my 93 VR4 -- only $479. $486 at my
door. This was by far the best
price
>It was purchased from
Jeg's High Performance - 800-345-4545.
>
>http://webstore.jegs.com/cgi-bin/Jegs1.storefront/1490032616/Home?JEG's
>
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Date:
Fri, 5 Feb 1999 01:27:29 -0800 (PST)
From: George Kuo <amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Team3S: SS-ARC
Hi List..
Does anyone know what's a
SS-ARC? Someone is trying to sell me one,
claims it replaces the VPC or
a ECU tune. Does anyone have one of
these products? or can tell me
anything about it?? Thanx.
George
3S#0139
'92 Pearl White
Dodge Stealth RT TT
K&N; Trust off-road exhaust (turbo back); Forged rods
and pistons;
13Gs; DSBC; AFC; HKS pump; Vitek wires; Momo Competiton
steering
wheel; C's short shift; Autopower roll bar; Simpson 5-pt belt;
Brembo
kit..
etc..
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Date:
Fri, 05 Feb 1999 10:44:20 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Mods and True gains
Dave,
The G60 guys I know pretty well
here in Europe swear on the K&N and JT filters.
Properly oiled they never
had any problem but I must admit that we have less
dust here in mid-Europe
than elsewhere.
Regards,
Roger
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Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
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