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Team3S Digest         Monday, February 1 1999         Volume 01 : Number 089




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Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:32:15 -0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: "Mitsubishi" brake calipers?

I am offering a 12.6" Brembo package for 1500.00.  I can do the calipers in
Red or Black.

> Brad
Member of ESSC since 1999>
> Check out my home page:    http://lonestar.texas.net/~bbedell
> E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682


- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Peterson
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 1999 9:38 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: "Mitsubishi" brake calipers?

I looked into this a while back.  Unfortunately, the calipers you are
talking about are only on the turbos and they have a different mounting
pattern than the non-turbos (at least as late as 1997).  The knuckles are
completely different. If you know someone who's good in metalwork, you may
be able to jury rig them to fit, but I wouldn't risk weakening the knuckle.
I think you can get some aftermarket calipers (Brembo, Baer) that would fit
an NT, but you're looking at $2000-$3000.

ps. Just had mine chromed with the caliper bar gold plated.  Looks VERY
cool!  Not too practical though  :)

Ryan P

- -----Original Message-----
Subject: Team3S: "Mitsubishi" brake calipers?

I have a 93 Stealth non-turbo, and I have seen a few 3K's with the black
brake calipers with the "Mitsubishi" lettering on them. I would like to
find out how to get some, are they stovk on VR-4's?

Matt
3/Si #311

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:56:11 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: Team3S: DSM technical info CD

Howdy folks...

I was fascinated by a post last week (about a CD version of the 3S manuals,
with technical bulletins), so I contacted the source. Here's some of his
response. I'm going to order one of the CDs. I'll let you all know what it
looks like after I've had a chance to look at it.

Looking forward...Chris

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4 (w/HKS Super Flo intake, HKS SBOV, Predator dry
cell battery, bored and polished throttle body, Magnecore 8.5mm wires, HKS
double platinum plugs gapped at .034", GReddy PRofec A boost controller,
GReddy turbo timer, ATR downpipe and test pipe, GReddy catback exhaust,
Eibach 1" drop progressive springs)


- -----Original Message-----
From: Vineet Singh [mailto:a280z@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 1999 1:11 AM
To: cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com
Cc: a280z@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: DSM technical info CD

Actually, I took the day off to scan ALL DAY today. Since 9am till now
(3am) i've been scanning (and FINISHED 2 of them)

1991 BODY repair manual (shows ALL structural parts/seals/paint/etc)
1994 Dodge Stealth manual (covers ALL DS's)
1991 3000gt manual (covers 91-92 3k/DS cars)
1992-1996+ 3000gt manual (covers, well you know :)
DSM technical manual (covers the T/E/L line, but applies to the 3/s)

And whatever else will fit (if anything... these manuals are HUGE! over
5000pages!. The T/E/L manuals weren't this thick!)

Just got a USB HP scanner, and it does OK. Not as fast as I would like,
but this one can detect paper jams unlike the scanner I used to scan the
DSM manuals. It also has a better quality image, so the manuals will
turn out EVEN BETTER than the T/E/L one.

The T/E/L manuals sell pretty well, dunno how these will do, so for now,
they will ONLY BE AVAILABLE as a CD-R. If you happen to have BOTH a 3/s
and a T/E/L, you can get BOTH CD's for $50, otherwise either one
seperately is $35 (shipped priority express USPS)

I have had VERY good feedback/comments on the T/E/L Cd, and believe that
this new 3/S CD will be even better! Thanks for your interest!

Vineet Singh
DSM Manuals on CD - http://manualcd.dsm.org
(you can get an idea of what the 3/S CD will be like by checking out my
site) Thanks for your interest! Please pass the word around :)

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:44:02 -0500
From: "Trent" <rtrent@nlci.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Budget fuel upgrade

Thanks Wayne,

I got the same adapter (I assume) but the problem is the stock cat-back is
about 1/4" lower and 3/4" off to one side.  It's just to far off to force it
to fit.  I recently ordered a 3" flex stainless section to splice into the
DP.  Hope it works.

Regards,
DaveT/92TT

- -----Original Message-----
From: TTurboAWD@aol.com <TTurboAWD@aol.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Sunday, January 31, 1999 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Budget fuel upgrade


>   Trent,
>    ATR supplied me with a flange for their dp to hook it to
>the stock cat-back. I got it,with the dp, through Mike at
>Altered Atmosphere Motorsports.
>                          Wayne 3SI #87
>                           '91 Stealth TT
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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:58:24 -0500
From: "Trent" <rtrent@nlci.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Detonation

Errin H. inquired as to which turbos I was using for the symtoms I described
earlier in some detail.  I was running the 9B's at that time.  The symtoms
with the 13g's at 1.1bar, prior to injectors was similar but in addition, I
started getting some fuel cut.  I guessed that the knock conditions had
gotten worse as a result of the 13g's pushing a lot more air than the 9B's,
forcing the ECU to respond with more drastic measures.  It was at this point
that I decided to turn down the boost to 7psi until I got the new RC's in.

Regards
DaveT/92TT

Errin wrote:

>When you noticed this acceleration drop-off "when going from 1.0 bar
>to 1.1 bar" was this with the 13G's or the 9B's?

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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 18:36:29 +0000
From: "J. Stephen Gula" <altoloco@widomaker.com>
Subject: Team3S: Brake Pads, rotors, exhaust, boredom

Hey guys,
Was wondering a few things since after owning my 95 3000GT for over a
year now (and about 13,000 miles)... the car is breaking down... so a
few recommendations if you please:
(1) What kind of brake pads do you recommend? I've heard KVR Carbon
Fibre pads are good, but they cause the rims to get prematurely dirty
(compared to stock pads), which doesn't bother me. I bought Purple
Power..
(2) Aftermarket clutch.. I don't have a superperformance 234345234hp
car.. I'm a measely NT w/ maybe 230hp right now. I want a cheap (what
for our cars _is_ cheap?) but _good_ clutch. I've seen some from
$250-$350 but don't know the difference.
(3) Brake rotors... ya, they're going too... I'm not what you call a
light driver.. and I'm intelligent enough to hose down the car after a
good long drive... hahaha man.. lesson lived.. lesson learned...
(4) Aftermarket VR-4 exhaust on an NT... whaddya say? Considering the
cost to have one _made_ or the $800 for a Borla.... I'd rather slap a
VR-4 one on... what hazards am I risking or power losses/gains? The way
I see it, if I match it with an openair filter, i'll still lose lower
rpm power... but i'll gain in the high end (my normal driving usually
doesn't involve stopping and having to go from stop to start and i'm not
one for street races... well.. if you don't really try.. it's not a race
right? whether you won or not?.. eheheh

- --Steve "Loco3KGT" Gula
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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:48:53 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Brake Pads, rotors, exhaust, boredom

- -----Original Message-----
From: J. Stephen Gula [mailto:altoloco@widomaker.com]
Sent: Monday, February 01, 1999 10:36 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Brake Pads, rotors, exhaust, boredom


Hey guys,
Was wondering a few things since after owning my 95 3000GT for over
a
year now (and about 13,000 miles)... the car is breaking down... so a
few recommendations if you please:
<snip>
- --Steve "Loco3KGT" Gula
=============================================
Steve...

If you're not running on the track, I'd stick with stock rotors, brake pads,
and clutch. Mitsu really did a very good job for "normal" street and highway
driving. BTW...even if you warped the rotors with water while they were hot,
you should be able to have them turned. Maybe $20/rotor if you've already
got the wheels and calipers off.

Perhaps Rich LeRoy will volunteer on the VR4 exhaust on a NT, that's what he
has.

Looking forward...Chris

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4 (w/HKS Super Flo intake, HKS SBOV, Predator dry
cell battery, bored and polished throttle body, Magnecore 8.5mm wires, HKS
double platinum plugs gapped at .034", GReddy PRofec A boost controller,
GReddy turbo timer, ATR downpipe and test pipe, GReddy catback exhaust,
Eibach 1" drop progressive springs)
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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 19:05:54 +0000
From: "J. Stephen Gula" <altoloco@widomaker.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brake Pads, rotors, exhaust, boredom

> If you're not running on the track, I'd stick with stock rotors, brake pads,
> and clutch. Mitsu really did a very good job for "normal" street and highway
> driving. BTW...even if you warped the rotors with water while they were hot,
> you should be able to have them turned. Maybe $20/rotor if you've already
> got the wheels and calipers off.

That's the funny part.. they _have_ to be replaced.. the rotors are
warped the pads are wearing down and the clutch is slipping.. life is
grand.. get a helmet..

- --Steve "Loco3KGT" Gula
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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 20:09:41 -0500
From: Michael Booker <mrbook@gate.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brake Pads, rotors, exhaust, boredom

>         (4) Aftermarket VR-4 exhaust on an NT... whaddya say? Considering the
> cost to have one _made_ or the $800 for a Borla.... I'd rather slap a
> VR-4 one on... what hazards am I risking or power losses/gains? The way
> I see it, if I match it with an openair filter, i'll still lose lower
> rpm power... but i'll gain in the high end (my normal driving usually
> doesn't involve stopping and having to go from stop to start and i'm not
> one for street races... well.. if you don't really try.. it's not a race
> right? whether you won or not?.. eheheh
I can add that a 93 VR-4 exhaust wouldn't bolt right up to my Stealth
R/T. I used the 3" pipe from the converter, and had the rest fabricated,
namely a y that is 2 1/2" that goes out to 2 dual chrome ansa tips.
total cost-400 bucks installed. It is loud!!! Borderline illegal loud,
but sounds very good and does give the high end power you are seeking.
You will lose low end torque, no doubt, but the kick in the seat from
4000 rpm up is very noticeable!! And you get better gas mileage!!! What
else could you ask for?

Matt
3/Si #311
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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:32:00 -0500
From: "Russell A. Coxe" <rcoxe@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brake Pads, rotors, exhaust, boredom

Steve,

Sorry to hear that you are now in the maintenance cycle that comes with all
cars.
I'm sure you remember that we both have the same cars, I currently have 33K
on mine.
So I have not had to do all of these repairs yet, but I have been thinking
about it some. :)

> (1) What kind of brake pads do you recommend?

I like the Stillen metal matrix pads. They are very clean and the car stops
a lot better than
the stock pads.

> (2) Aftermarket clutch..

I think the stock clutch is the best way to go. We don't make that much
power to need the ACT2600 or
similar. The stock is a good compromise.

> (3) Brake rotors...

I have the Stillen cross drilled and they have performed quite well. I
warped the stock rotors twice
before replacing them. The power slot rotors also look nice, I may put them
on the eclipse.

> (4) Aftermarket VR-4 exhaust on an NT... whaddya say?

I think the weight and the complexity of the active exhaust componets make
this a less apealing
solution.
I would recommend the 60 mm diameter HKS VR4 first and then the Borla as my
second choice.
I have not done the exhaust upgrade as I was waiting on headers from Brian
at GT Alley, but we
all know that story.

I'm very surprised that the stock is worn out. I would ask your dealer to
take a look at it. The SS system
should out last the car.

- - Russ Coxe
1995 3000GT MD "3KGT"
1995 Eclipse GSX-AT


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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 19:03:40 -0800
From: Rich <rleroy@pacifier.com>
Subject: Team3S: TT Exhaust on an NT Car (Was: Brake Pads, rotors, exhaust, boredom)

Wow, a NT thread .... I think I'll add to it.  :)  The TT exhaust *does*
directly bolt up (I have a TT exhaust from James R.'s 92 R/T TT on my 94
R/T), but the fit isn't perfect.  I think this is what Matt is alluding
to. 

The NT cars have a lower positioned lower arm bracket than the TT's do,
such that the rear exhaust section tends to bump into it when you hit a
bump in the road.  This can be offset to a degree by not fully seating
the yoke into the 3" center straight section.  There *is* about an inch
of play before you get a leak at this joint, but you have to go easy,
and the darn thing is heavy unless you have helpers.  Another "trick" I
had to use was to not tighten the cat crossmember (but had bolted the
exhaust sections together) until I had pulled the entire exhaust
rearward enough to clear the lower suspension arm bracket and bolted up
the rear-most hangers.  There is *just* enough play in the system to
pull this off, but that's it.

All in all, the TT exhaust is a fairly low-cost "mod", in that the mid
and upper range response is immediately noticeably improved, but at the
cost of some low end response.  The fact that it just sounds bitchin' is
a plus in my book.  Actual dollar cost was about $20 for the additional
passenger-side hangers I didn't originally have.  The exhaust was a
freebie, but I've heard some folks have paid up to $100 to TT owners who
were upgrading to aftermarket.  Still cheap, IMO.

After saying all this, when I get the discretionary kopeks for the car,
a fully custom exhaust is going on the car ... strictly for off-road
use, of course.  This was a quickie poor-man's solution to wanting dual
exhaust without paying through the nose for it.  The improved
performance, sound and mileage were gravy and certainly worth the
scraped knuckles and achey back.

Rich

Michael Booker wrote:
>
> >         (4) Aftermarket VR-4 exhaust on an NT... whaddya say?

<snip>

> I can add that a 93 VR-4 exhaust wouldn't bolt right up to my Stealth
> R/T. I used the 3" pipe from the converter, and had the rest fabricated,
> namely a y that is 2 1/2" that goes out to 2 dual chrome ansa tips.
> total cost-400 bucks installed. It is loud!!! Borderline illegal loud,
> but sounds very good and does give the high end power you are seeking.
> You will lose low end torque, no doubt, but the kick in the seat from
> 4000 rpm up is very noticeable!! And you get better gas mileage!!! What
> else could you ask for?
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Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 00:02:09 -0500
From: Kermit Burroughs <kermitb@richmond.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brake Pads, rotors, exhaust, boredom

"J. Stephen Gula" wrote:

Why don't I just make you a deal on mine?  Then you can have the horsepower, too?

I'd just stick with stock if I were you.  Of course, I don't know how you drive, but I
would think the brakes might help, but at 57k miles, I'm only on set 2 of the front
pads, and original rears.  Good bang for buck.

Exhaust?  Hmm, I'm not sure I'd do that heavy TT one, I think I'd find a muffler shop
that'll do one for you.  Just MHO.  Naturally that files in the face of what I did,
but...

Kermit

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