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Team3S Digest       Wednesday, January 20 1999       Volume 01 : Number 078




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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:11:31 -0800
From: Ken Middaugh <middaugh@omega.gat.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: VR4 Starter Replacement

Mikael Åkesson wrote:
>
> Hi again
>
> Actually I also have that shield on my starter but It didn't cause any problems for me. If I remember right it's mounted with two M6.
>
> Sorry that I can't help you more, it was a few month since I changed mine so I can't remember exactly where the M6's are mounted.

Hi Mikael,

I assume M6 is the bolt size?  Do you recall if you could remove the
shield from under the car?

Thanks again,
Ken

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General Atomics
San Diego
(619) 455-4510
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:12:24 -0500
From: "Fein, Edward" <fein@strategy.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Cool 3000GT Page

More to the point, their information is often inaccurate.

Last time I was on Carpoint, I was surprised to learn that the Eagle Talon
TSi uses a 3.0 liter V-6 engine (naturally aspirated). Or at least, so they
said...

(For those who are unaware, the Talon TSi is the same as the Mitsu Eclipse
GS-T / GSX, using a 2.0lturbocharged engine).

    -Ed

- -----Original Message-----
From: Eric Lotter [mailto:elotter@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 1999 5:19 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Cool 3000GT Page


In formative yes, but How its mitsubishi hiding the GETRAG fiasco, if
you look under reliablity, there are no red flags.

Eric
>i don't know how accurate they are, but i often go there to look at
specs
>for other cars, like curb weight, horsepower, options. it's pretty
>informative. specs for a lot of cars.
>
>Omar
>92 r/t
>> Has anyone ever looked at the Microsoft Carpoint page?  Check this
out.
>> Nice crisp WWW page, nice layout of the entire 3KGT lineage.
>>
>> http://carpoint.msn.com/vip/Mitsubishi/3000GT
>>
>> -Bob


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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:59:53 -0700
From: Ricardo Cousar <rcousar@uswest.com>
Subject: Team3S: Parts Wanted

Im looking for a used stock intercoolers, but I would be willing to buy
a aftermarket unit,  if it was a direct bolt on.



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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 00:33:04 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Team3S: VPC MAP wiring needed (urgent)

For the test of my DiagTool I'd like to use the MAP sensor of the VPC. I'd
highly appreciate if anyone could send me the signal description for the wires
A,B,C (yellow,green,blue). One should be ground another 12V (or other voltage)
and one the output.

Thanks in advance,
Roger

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:01:32 -0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Need rear t-belt cover

Bob, did you even have to ask?  Let me check to see what condition this one
is.

What is a reasonable price?  The cover is in one piece :)

> Brad
>
> Check out my home page:    http://lonestar.texas.net/~bbedell
> E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682


- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com] On Behalf Of Bob Fontana
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 3:51 PM
To: 3000/Stealth Technical List
Subject: Team3S: Need rear t-belt cover

Anybody have a rear timing belt cover that's in good shape?  If so, RTP - I
will take it off your hands for a reasonable price.

- -Bob

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:01:44 -0500
From: John <adams@icx.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Bogging the Engine vs Slipping the Clutch ( a little long)

I just use the normal brake and maybe because I have been driving stick for so many
years I make the transformation from stopped to rolling without even rolling back and we
have some pretty steep hills here. I guess it's just practice, but it can be learned
very easily. In fact my not hill holder automatics roll back even more than my VR4
because I am more in control with the stick I would guess. I would suppose the emergency
brake would work also since it is a hand lever, but to me it's just better to learn the
other way of being quick with your feet.

John

> Ummm.  How about e-brake usage?  I always wondered why almost no one I know
> uses that method of starting on a hill...(use the e-brake to keep the car
> from rolling back, do the clutch/gas normally, and let go of the e-brake as
> soon as you feel it pull forward)  It's not that hard, and there's *no*
> rolling back if you do it right.  When I lived in Pittsburgh(quite hilly),
> that was almost a necessity unless I wanted my tires to lose 1/4" of tread
> or have my clutch glazed like a Krispy Kreme Donut!
>
> --Erik
>
> ------                                             ----------
> Erik Gross                                         DuPont, WA
> '95 Pearl White 3000GT 47k mi - resonatorless + bald tire mod
> ------                                             ----------
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>     If, however, you want to look at the stars,
>         you will find that darkness is required.
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:33:47 -0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: Team3S: ND 720cc injectors for sale.

Hey everyone, I am looking to get rid of my ND injectors. (new never opened)
for 750.00Set of 6.

These injectors measure 2.5 ohms, and will work perfect with the 3000.


I also have a 91/92 transfer case that I need to get rid of.  Asking 400obo.

Trade for a 6 port NOS system?

Thanks,

> Brad
>
> Check out my home page:    http://lonestar.texas.net/~bbedell
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 21:47:01 -0600
From: "Steven A. File" <sfile@usa.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: FTC letter

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Bob,

I have been around the Federal and state governments long enough to be
dangerous in knowing how they work. Basically the FTC is saying that "no
restraint of free market" or trade exists. It appears to be more of a
consumer issue, most of which is handled at the state level. In Florida,
it's the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Affairs at:
http://www.fl-ag.com/ (old URL--cannot test it since I'm away from home).

Another plan of attack would be to find a Florida resident with a VR-4 that
has had lots of transmission problems to file a Florida Lemon Law complaint.
Florida's Lemon Law is fairly strict. (URL located at:
http://doacs.state.fl.us/consumer/lemon.html

The VR-4 would need to be fairly new to qualify for the Lemon Law route.

Steve File (in Indianapolis)
"What is all this funny white stuff on the ground anyway?"
mailto:sfile@usa.net

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  "If most car accidents occur within five miles of home,
         then why doesn't everyone just move ten miles away?"

- -----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of Bob Fontana
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 10:00 AM
To: 3000/Stealth Technical List
Subject: Team3S: FTC letter


I just received a call from a lawyer at the FTC.  While the government
sympathizes with our situation, the rule that they apply to these cases is,
"If we don't do anything, will the market work?"  They reason that if this
were such a widespread problem of significant proportion, that Mitsubishi
would conclude that their transaxle parts policy is a bad business practice
that is harming their position in the marketplace and would, without
governmental intervention, retract that policy.  A relationship between
Mitsubishi and Getrag does not provide the same potential for price-fixing
as a relationship between, say, Mitsubishi and Toyota.  Therefore, they
decline to get involved.

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:23:11 +0100
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?=" <vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: RE: Team3S: VR4 Starter Replacement

Hi Ken,

Yes, I removed and installed everything from under the car.

and yes M6 is  a bolt size.

/Mikael

Ken asked:
>I assume M6 is the bolt size?  Do you recall if you could remove the
>shield from under the car?


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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:28:39 -0600
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Team3S: Getrag Parts Update #10++

Getrag Transaxle Parts Update # (10+):

  With the talk of FTC complaints, lawsuits sort of boiling up again, I
guess it's time for an "official update" on Getrag 3000/Stealth AWD
transaxle parts availability.  There have been a number of
behind-the-scenes things happening over the last months.  As many know,
for now we can't "officially" get parts because of contract between
Mitsu Japan and Getrag that only allows Getrag to do rebuilding; no
individual parts sales.  This was profitable for Getrag.  Now, with the
current platform 3000 out of production (1999 is last year available)
Getrag has finished all 3000GT trans production this last summer.  Mitsu
Japan and Getrag decided over spring how many parts/trans should be
stockpiled so as to have about 7 years worth of warranty/repair parts
available, and those were produced...and then the production line shut
down.  Getrag is now converting that space over to different products.

  We have been fighting with Mitsubishi USA (useless), with Mitsu Japan
(pass the buck to Mitsu USA--see previous) and with Getrag (helpful but
guarded) to get these individual PARTS made available to the general
public so a simple worn out synchro doesn't require buying a whole new
transmission for $3800-4500!  The most frequent problem HAS been
synchronizer wearout, so I was able to gain enough of a trusting
relationship with a Getrag Gear USA person to get him to "back door"
some BULK shipments (almost $7000 worth) of synchronizer assemblies to
me, which I finished assembling then reboxed and sent out to
individuals.  Getrag has been (at least on mid-levels I am dealing with)
sensitive to the issue of the outrageous cost/trans replacement for
simple problems, but the contract with Mitsu...as well as Getrag
heirarchy in Germany did not allow/no mechanism in place to sell parts.
They do NOT want to get into RETAIL sales to individuals in the public,
with sales force/taxes collected/etc. 

  Given no apparent movement--December 9, 1998 I sent a very nice
request letter to Mitsubishi Japan's Field Service representative for
North & Latin America, a person who had responded to a letter from our
List's OWN William Wagner III (he passed Mr. Wagner off to Chrysler
because he had a Stealth).  I got a reply dated December 16, 1998 from
M. Miyashita, Manager, Field Service - North America Overseas Service
Department, thanking me for the opportunity to address my concerns.  He
was sorry about the problems, and referred me back to Mitsubishi Motor
Sales of America...that they have full responsibility and authority to
respond to my request.  He forwarded his and my letter to MMSAmerica.
MMSA called me (at work!) and their representative, "Christo Nicolaidis"
said Getrag is the problem, and that Getrag needs to approach Mitsu if
they want to change this, but Mitsu is not going to approach Getrag
about it.  Mr. Nicolaidis sent me a letter also, stating:

"We have carefully reviewed your request again, and regretfully we must
inform you that our position is unchanged.  Since parts are not
available for the purpose of rebuilding or repairing a Getrag
transmission, we can only make available to you the whole transmission
pre-assembled.  Once again, we at MMSA thank you for your interest in
this matter, and the appreciation you have expressed for your Mitsubishi
3000GT."

  Pretty depressing so far, considering that early Spring '98 my Getrag
contact said Mitsu Japan reps were at Getrag and were carrying the issue
back to Japan.  The Getrag man I speak mainly to (anonymous so as not to
deluge him with calls, we have had a gentleman's agreement NOT to spread
his name/number widely; some others know him also) asked me for a number
of letters from people detailing the repair parts problem.  Last spring
I sent him a fairly large file of "choice" letters from YOU ALL on the
list (I have been saving "good" letters/correspondence and have over 250
in my file now)...as well as a cover letter/some from myself discussing
the problem of no repair parts, its real impact on not only the cars and
people, but on GETRAG and MITSUBISHI'S COMPANY reputations, resale value
loss, and loss of future business when eventually the issue gets out and
people realize that a car with a Getrag Transmission is UNREPAIRABLE
once out of warranty except at OUTRAGEOUS cost.  This file was reviewed
by him and sent to "higher-ups" including at Getrag GERMANY where
decisions are apparently made, to try to help them realize the problem
and its impact.

  GOOD NEWS(I think):
After some further conversations (last being yesterday) with Getrag USA,
and Bob Fontana who has been helping as well, THERE IS NOTHING FINAL
BUT:  Getrag is in negotiations with a USA company to sell off their
3000GT/Stealth remanufacturing business.  There may be a final
settlement over the next 3 to 6 month timeframe.  He did NOT know if the
new company would make individual parts available though :(   but USA
companies usually do so...Since Mitsu is not interested, and Getrag
doesn't want to sell retail, this COULD be the best outcome possible!
At any rate, I think it would be reasonable to consider holding off on
REAL legal fireworks, except MAYbe as a prod to Getrag to assure the
deal has the "new guys" sell us PARTS not just whole transaxles.

There has been alot going on "behind the scenes" on this, and I/others
haven't said much publicly because it was all tentative, pushing,
letters, calls but nothing yet concrete.  I think this is a major
development, and from a reliable source; and may save some GOOD people
aggravation/anger/valuable time, so I am writing this long but hopefully
accurate summary/update for everybody to get "up to speed" on this
important issue, which will affect how many of us can keep our excellent
cars far into the future, as well as resale value etc.

However it turns out, THANK YOU, EVERYBODY, for your
letters/support/information/enthusiasm!  I believe we have had at least
SOME impact on the situation, and are prodding these giant companies
toward a GOOD solution...hopefully they will pick one that works out
BEST for us!

Sincerely,
Jack Tertadian





Bob Fontana wrote:>
> I just received a call from a lawyer at the FTC.  While the government
> sympathizes with our situation, the rule that they apply to these cases is,
> "If we don't do anything, will the market work?"  They reason that if this
> were such a widespread problem of significant proportion, that Mitsubishi
> would conclude that their transaxle parts policy is a bad business practice
> that is harming their position in the marketplace and would, without
> governmental intervention, retract that policy.  A relationship between
> Mitsubishi and Getrag does not provide the same potential for price-fixing
> as a relationship between, say, Mitsubishi and Toyota.  Therefore, they
> decline to get involved.
> -Bob
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:59:52 -0500
From: "Theiss, Charles" <charles.theiss@lmco.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Getrag Parts Update #10++

I for one would rally like to thank you and Bob Fontana for all the work you
have had to do in trying to help out all the members of this list and the
other unknowing owners of our vehicles.  I  think it speaks well of this
organization (tech list) on the way this issue has been approached.  This
professional approach is what usually will get results and it also reflects
favorably on the owners.

> ----------
> From: xwing[SMTP:xwing@execpc.com]
> Reply To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 12:28 PM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Cc: stealth@starnet.net
> Subject: Team3S: Getrag Parts Update #10++
>
> Getrag Transaxle Parts Update # (10+):
>
>   With the talk of FTC complaints, lawsuits sort of boiling up again, I
> guess it's time for an "official update" on Getrag 3000/Stealth AWD
> transaxle parts availability.  There have been a number of
> behind-the-scenes things happening over the last months.  As many know,
> for now we can't "officially" get parts because of contract between
> Mitsu Japan and Getrag that only allows Getrag to do rebuilding; no
> individual parts sales.  This was profitable for Getrag.  Now, with the
> current platform 3000 out of production (1999 is last year available)
> Getrag has finished all 3000GT trans production this last summer.  Mitsu
> Japan and Getrag decided over spring how many parts/trans should be
> stockpiled so as to have about 7 years worth of warranty/repair parts
> available, and those were produced...and then the production line shut
> down.  Getrag is now converting that space over to different products.
>
>   We have been fighting with Mitsubishi USA (useless), with Mitsu Japan
> (pass the buck to Mitsu USA--see previous) and with Getrag (helpful but
> guarded) to get these individual PARTS made available to the general
> public so a simple worn out synchro doesn't require buying a whole new
> transmission for $3800-4500!  The most frequent problem HAS been
> synchronizer wearout, so I was able to gain enough of a trusting
> relationship with a Getrag Gear USA person to get him to "back door"
> some BULK shipments (almost $7000 worth) of synchronizer assemblies to
> me, which I finished assembling then reboxed and sent out to
> individuals.  Getrag has been (at least on mid-levels I am dealing with)
> sensitive to the issue of the outrageous cost/trans replacement for
> simple problems, but the contract with Mitsu...as well as Getrag
> heirarchy in Germany did not allow/no mechanism in place to sell parts.
> They do NOT want to get into RETAIL sales to individuals in the public,
> with sales force/taxes collected/etc. 
>
>   Given no apparent movement--December 9, 1998 I sent a very nice
> request letter to Mitsubishi Japan's Field Service representative for
> North & Latin America, a person who had responded to a letter from our
> List's OWN William Wagner III (he passed Mr. Wagner off to Chrysler
> because he had a Stealth).  I got a reply dated December 16, 1998 from
> M. Miyashita, Manager, Field Service - North America Overseas Service
> Department, thanking me for the opportunity to address my concerns.  He
> was sorry about the problems, and referred me back to Mitsubishi Motor
> Sales of America...that they have full responsibility and authority to
> respond to my request.  He forwarded his and my letter to MMSAmerica.
> MMSA called me (at work!) and their representative, "Christo Nicolaidis"
> said Getrag is the problem, and that Getrag needs to approach Mitsu if
> they want to change this, but Mitsu is not going to approach Getrag
> about it.  Mr. Nicolaidis sent me a letter also, stating:
>
> "We have carefully reviewed your request again, and regretfully we must
> inform you that our position is unchanged.  Since parts are not
> available for the purpose of rebuilding or repairing a Getrag
> transmission, we can only make available to you the whole transmission
> pre-assembled.  Once again, we at MMSA thank you for your interest in
> this matter, and the appreciation you have expressed for your Mitsubishi
> 3000GT."
>
>   Pretty depressing so far, considering that early Spring '98 my Getrag
> contact said Mitsu Japan reps were at Getrag and were carrying the issue
> back to Japan.  The Getrag man I speak mainly to (anonymous so as not to
> deluge him with calls, we have had a gentleman's agreement NOT to spread
> his name/number widely; some others know him also) asked me for a number
> of letters from people detailing the repair parts problem.  Last spring
> I sent him a fairly large file of "choice" letters from YOU ALL on the
> list (I have been saving "good" letters/correspondence and have over 250
> in my file now)...as well as a cover letter/some from myself discussing
> the problem of no repair parts, its real impact on not only the cars and
> people, but on GETRAG and MITSUBISHI'S COMPANY reputations, resale value
> loss, and loss of future business when eventually the issue gets out and
> people realize that a car with a Getrag Transmission is UNREPAIRABLE
> once out of warranty except at OUTRAGEOUS cost.  This file was reviewed
> by him and sent to "higher-ups" including at Getrag GERMANY where
> decisions are apparently made, to try to help them realize the problem
> and its impact.
>
>   GOOD NEWS(I think):
> After some further conversations (last being yesterday) with Getrag USA,
> and Bob Fontana who has been helping as well, THERE IS NOTHING FINAL
> BUT:  Getrag is in negotiations with a USA company to sell off their
> 3000GT/Stealth remanufacturing business.  There may be a final
> settlement over the next 3 to 6 month timeframe.  He did NOT know if the
> new company would make individual parts available though :(   but USA
> companies usually do so...Since Mitsu is not interested, and Getrag
> doesn't want to sell retail, this COULD be the best outcome possible!
> At any rate, I think it would be reasonable to consider holding off on
> REAL legal fireworks, except MAYbe as a prod to Getrag to assure the
> deal has the "new guys" sell us PARTS not just whole transaxles.
>
> There has been alot going on "behind the scenes" on this, and I/others
> haven't said much publicly because it was all tentative, pushing,
> letters, calls but nothing yet concrete.  I think this is a major
> development, and from a reliable source; and may save some GOOD people
> aggravation/anger/valuable time, so I am writing this long but hopefully
> accurate summary/update for everybody to get "up to speed" on this
> important issue, which will affect how many of us can keep our excellent
> cars far into the future, as well as resale value etc.
>
> However it turns out, THANK YOU, EVERYBODY, for your
> letters/support/information/enthusiasm!  I believe we have had at least
> SOME impact on the situation, and are prodding these giant companies
> toward a GOOD solution...hopefully they will pick one that works out
> BEST for us!
>
> Sincerely,
> Jack Tertadian
>
>
>
>
>
> Bob Fontana wrote:>
> > I just received a call from a lawyer at the FTC.  While the government
> > sympathizes with our situation, the rule that they apply to these cases
> is,
> > "If we don't do anything, will the market work?"  They reason that if
> this
> > were such a widespread problem of significant proportion, that
> Mitsubishi
> > would conclude that their transaxle parts policy is a bad business
> practice
> > that is harming their position in the marketplace and would, without
> > governmental intervention, retract that policy.  A relationship between
> > Mitsubishi and Getrag does not provide the same potential for
> price-fixing
> > as a relationship between, say, Mitsubishi and Toyota.  Therefore, they
> > decline to get involved.
> > -Bob
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:28 -0600
From: Jeff A Williamson <Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.com>
Subject: Team3S: Clutch Adjustment Problems

I recently replaced the clutch in my VR4 with a new stock clutch (disk,
pressure plate, bearing). After the replacement, I had to push the pedal to the
floor to disengage the clutch. I adjusted the pedal per the instructions in the
manual and ran out of threads on the pushrod, and the disengagement point is
still almost to the floor, and seems to vary with use, almost as if there is
air in the hydraulic fluid. I haven't tried to bleed the system yet, but will
try that next.

I also realized after the replacement, that I screwed up and forgot to
lubricate the splines on the inside of the clutch disk hub where the transaxle
input shaft goes through (I did, however, remember to lubricate the bearing
sleeve). Could this be causing my problem with engagement/disengagement
variability?

I sure hope I don't have to remove the transaxle again. What a pain in the $&#!

Jeff Williamson
Belleville, MI
'92 VR4

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:40:23 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Clutch Adjustment Problems

Nope, forgetting to lube the splines won't hurt.  The grease is really just
for sliding your tranny's input shaft in.  You just need to bleed the slave
cylinder.  Pump the clutch rapidly a dozen times.  Then, open up the
reservoir and bleeder screw.  Pump once and let out very slowly.  Have
someone add fluid while you let the pedal out.  When the pedal is all the
way out, tighten the bleeder screw.  Repeat.

And give yourself an "attaboy" for undertaking the clutch swap yourself.

- -Bob

> I also realized after the replacement, that I screwed up and forgot to
> lubricate the splines on the inside of the clutch disk hub where
> the transaxle
> input shaft goes through (I did, however, remember to lubricate
> the bearing
> sleeve). Could this be causing my problem with engagement/disengagement
> variability?

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:54:57 +0100
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject: Team3S: Blitz BOV installation problem - help!

Help!  I just installed the Blitz BOV on my car and now it won't idle.
The Check Engine light comes on and the engine struggles to stay
running.  I installed its air hoses in-line with the BOV and installed
its vacuum lines in-line with the stock BOV vacuum lines on the front
plenum nipple.  When I remove the Blitz vacuum lines from the loop (so
that just the stock BOV and AVC-R solonoid are connected), the problem
remains, which implies that something is wrong with the air hose
connections (all clamps are tight) or some kind of adjustment on the
Blitz (came off of another S3).  What's going on?  I need to drive the
car to work tomorrow and would hate to rip it all back out this evening
to get it running again, so I'd appreciate any help you can provide (I'm
EST + 6 hours).  Thanx!!

-Jim
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:02:01 -0500
From: John <adams@icx.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Blitz BOV installation problem - help!

Just a thought,, check to make sure your MAS is plugged in.

John

Matthews wrote:

> Help!  I just installed the Blitz BOV on my car and now it won't idle.
> The Check Engine light comes on and the engine struggles to stay
> running.  I installed its air hoses in-line with the BOV and installed
> its vacuum lines in-line with the stock BOV vacuum lines on the front
> plenum nipple.  When I remove the Blitz vacuum lines from the loop (so
> that just the stock BOV and AVC-R solonoid are connected), the problem
> remains, which implies that something is wrong with the air hose
> connections (all clamps are tight) or some kind of adjustment on the
> Blitz (came off of another S3).  What's going on?  I need to drive the
> car to work tomorrow and would hate to rip it all back out this evening
> to get it running again, so I'd appreciate any help you can provide (I'm
> EST + 6 hours).  Thanx!!
>
>                 -Jim
> --
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:11:55 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Blitz BOV installation problem - help!

Jim, do you have one of those cheap analog voltmeters?  One with a needle?
If so, you can attach the probes to your diagnostic port and get the code by
watching the pulses.  If you have the voltmeter but don't have a manual, we
can help you locate the correct pins to probe.  That'll tell you what's
wrong.

- -Bob


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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:22:54 -0600
From: Wayne <wala@hypertech-inc.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Blitz BOV installation problem - help!

My thoughts, exactly.....

At 02:02 PM 1/20/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Just a thought,, check to make sure your MAS is plugged in.
>
>John
>
>Matthews wrote:
>
>> Help!  I just installed the Blitz BOV on my car and now it won't idle.
>> The Check Engine light comes on and the engine struggles to stay
>> running.  I installed its air hoses in-line with the BOV and installed
>> its vacuum lines in-line with the stock BOV vacuum lines on the front
>> plenum nipple.  When I remove the Blitz vacuum lines from the loop (so
>> that just the stock BOV and AVC-R solonoid are connected), the problem
>> remains, which implies that something is wrong with the air hose
>> connections (all clamps are tight) or some kind of adjustment on the
>> Blitz (came off of another S3).  What's going on?  I need to drive the
>> car to work tomorrow and would hate to rip it all back out this evening
>> to get it running again, so I'd appreciate any help you can provide (I'm
>> EST + 6 hours).  Thanx!!
>>
>>                 -Jim
>> --
>> Jim Matthews - Wiesbaden, Germany
>> matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (64 Kbps ISDN)
>> http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews
>>
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:42:52 +0100
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Blitz BOV installation problem - help!

John wrote:
>
> Just a thought,, check to make sure your MAS is plugged in.
>
> John

Boy, that's embarrassing!

Sorry about that... When I reinstalled the MAS the cable ended up
underneath where I couldn't see it and I forgot to plug it in.  Then I
concentrated on the BOV connections since I thought that's all that had
changed!  What a moron.  And now my mechanical deficiencies have been
immortalized in the list archives!  This is why I tend to avoid doing
ANYTHING mechanical myself.  Really frustrating...

THANX SO MUCH!!!!!  Now off for some testing to see just how loud this
thing is and whether or not the hooting resonance has disappeared.  This
thing came with no instructions, so if anyone has information or
suggestions on how to adjust it, that would be most appreciated.  Thanx
again - this group is INDISPENSABLE.

-Jim (hanging head in shame, but it will pop back up once I hit the
gas!)
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:31:37 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Team3S: Admin Warning

I have posted this warning to the group as a whole rather than to the individual
involved, in this instance only. It should give everyone an understanding of the need to
delete extraneous material when responding to a post. In the this case, (intact below)
you can clearly see the need to delete previous correspondence before hitting the send
button. PLEASE edit and delete when contributing to this list.

Darc,  admin.

Wayne wrote:

> My thoughts, exactly.....
>
> At 02:02 PM 1/20/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >Just a thought,, check to make sure your MAS is plugged in.
> >
> >John
> >
> >Matthews wrote:
> >
> >> Help!  I just installed the Blitz BOV on my car and now it won't idle.
> >> The Check Engine light comes on and the engine struggles to stay
> >> running.  I installed its air hoses in-line with the BOV and installed
> >> its vacuum lines in-line with the stock BOV vacuum lines on the front
> >> plenum nipple.  When I remove the Blitz vacuum lines from the loop (so
> >> that just the stock BOV and AVC-R solonoid are connected), the problem
> >> remains, which implies that something is wrong with the air hose
> >> connections (all clamps are tight) or some kind of adjustment on the
> >> Blitz (came off of another S3).  What's going on?  I need to drive the
> >> car to work tomorrow and would hate to rip it all back out this evening
> >> to get it running again, so I'd appreciate any help you can provide (I'm
> >> EST + 6 hours).  Thanx!!
> >>
> >>                 -Jim
> >> --
> >> Jim Matthews - Wiesbaden, Germany
> >> matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (64 Kbps ISDN)
> >> http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews
> >>
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:37:54 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: Blitz BOV installation problem - help!

Congrats Jim;

There's no shame involved with someone who does a  installation themselves without
directions, and knows where and what to ask if  a problem arises. Keep us updated on
your opinion of this particular BOV. I'm particularly interested in how you feel as to
performance increase, safety, and noise trade offs.


Best

Darc

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:00:56 -0600
From: "Gendron, Curt" <Curt.Gendron@westgroup.com>
Subject: Team3S: OT: Advice needed (friend's Talon)

> I know this is the 3/S list, but the more help I can get the better.  I
> already sent this problem to the DSM list.
>
> I need some advice on a transmission gone bad.
>
> It is a friends 90 Eagle Talon [NT].  It has about 140,000 miles on it.
> He was pulling out of work yesterday, and he shifted quickly from drive to
> reverse and the car just stopped.  (automatic transmission)  He had it
> towed to a shop and they said he needed a new transmission.  He is looking
> to sell the car and he doesn't know if he wants to get it fixed first.
> The car still starts, but doesn't move in any gear.  Here are my
> questions:
>
> 1.  His dad called around for used transmissions.  He got from $600-$800
> and another $300 for labor.  Does that sound reasonable??
>
> 2.  Does anyone out there have a used transmission for sale??  Or any
> suggestions on where to get one?? (other than the obvious)
>
> 3.  Could there me something else wrong with his car instead of the
> transmission?? 
>
> 4.  What would be a good asking price for this car if he doesn't get the
> car fixed and sells it outright??
>
> 5.  Anyone out there who wants to buy it??
>
> Thanks for your time,
>
> Curt G
> 95 R/T TT
> 96 GSX
>
>
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:58:23 +0100
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject: Team3S: BOV eliminates intake resonance

On the way home from work this afternoon I repeatedly reproduced the
hooting intake resonance (at will), which occurs under partial throttle
at about .5 bar or 7 psi and surfaced when I installed my FIPK in summer
97.  This evening I installed a Blitz BOV and could not reproduce the
sound during more 30 miles of testing.  I don't quite understand why a
BOV installed in series with the stock BOV would cure the problem, but
it seems to have done just that.  I will post to the group if I hear the
resonance hooting again after I've had the BOV on for a few days, but
things are looking good!!

BTW, for those of you still experiencing the resonance and no BOV, there
is a chance it can be corrected for free without installation of a BOV.
When I was installing the Blitz, I removed the MAS and noticed that the
stock BOV vents through two tubes molded into the plastic intake piping
to which the MAS attaches.  These tubes are small in diameter (maybe .5"
or so), each points toward a turbo.  I and many others have described
the sound as a resonance not unlike that made by blowing across a soda
bottle.  These tubes may be acting like the bottle top and it may be
possible to eliminate the problem simply by modifying the tube ends.
Perhaps filing or cutting them back would do the trick, being careful to
catch all of the shavings and pieces so that they don't end up sucked
into the turbos.  If anyone tries this, please let us know how it works.

I know that this is a problem that inexplicably affects only some cars,
so I appreciate the patience and participation of everyone on the list!

-Jim
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:03:09 -0800
From: Ken Middaugh <middaugh@omega.gat.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: BOV eliminates intake resonance

Jim,

You mentioned that you had the Blitz BOV hooked up in series with the
stock.  Doesn't that mean that you won't "blow-off" until both valves
are open (i.e. what good is having one valve open quickly if the other
is still closed)?  I thought you were supposed to hook up the valves in
parallel.  The blitz was supposed to open quicker (and perhaps flow
better) thus providing less back pressure and quicker spoolup.  Others
will have to chime in to educate us...
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General Atomics
San Diego
(619) 455-4510
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:18:37 +0100
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Blitz BOV installation problem - help!

wce@bc.sympatico.ca wrote:
>
> Congrats Jim;
>
> There's no shame involved with someone who does a  installation themselves without
> directions, and knows where and what to ask if  a problem arises. Keep us updated on
> your opinion of this particular BOV. I'm particularly interested in how you feel as to
> performance increase, safety, and noise trade offs.

Thanx.  I'm just glad it's on, it works, and the hooting resonance is
apparently gone.  Here are a few initial observations:

1. It's loud, but the sound is just like a louder stock BOV, not
unpleasant.  It is no louder when the car is driven lightly (I admit -
this happens occasionally!), only when the turbos are spooled up at WOT
and you abruptly let off the gas.  It will be interesting to see if the
sound wakes up my daughter in her car seat and to see if the volume of
her or my wife's reaction at that time exceeds that of the BOV.  ;-)

2. Turbos seem to stay spooled up a little better between shifts.  Not a
huge seat of the pants difference, but noticable.  Mike Chapleski is
borrowing my G-Tech but I will take some measurements when I get it back
in a few weeks.

3. If I let off the gas and engine brake, about 1-2 seconds after I let
off the engine stumbles slightly.  If I push in the clutch when I let
off, the RPMs will drop and then bounce back up to normal idle.  This is
mildly irritating.  Not sure why this happens or if an adjustment can
rectify it.  Guess that the Blitz is venting some of the air that the
stock BOV used to recirculate post-MAS.

-Jim
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:07:31 +0100
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject: Re: Team3S: BOV eliminates intake resonance

Ken Middaugh wrote:
>
> Jim,
>
> You mentioned that you had the Blitz BOV hooked up in series with the

No, you're correct, it is a parallel connection, both for the air hoses
and the vacuum lines.  Sorry for the confusion.

-Jim
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A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off Valve
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:11:44 +0100
From: Kevin Clark <Kevin.Clark@hnz.co.nz>
Subject: Team3S: Diagnostics Port...

Does anyone know how I could get information from the diagnostic
port in one of these cars.

I know there are some commercial tools/software available but
I do not have US$300 to spend on the Datalogger, etc...
I would also prefer a UNIX/C interface.  I did have a link to
a DSM site that had information on diagnosing the error code
from this diagnostic port (something about counting the number
of pulses and the gaps between them), but I seem to have lost
it  :(

Does anyone out there have this kind of information?

Quite simply I now have a computer in my car to drive a large
audio jukebox and would like to start plugging in other items,
on the list are:

Radar detector (to auto-mute the music)
Blitz DSBC (maybe get some data from that unused port?)
Mitsi Diagnostics Port...
Alarm System (possibly interface with a small camera)

This is just a list of possibles, I only expect a couple of
the above to actually pan-out.

The company I work for also does a lot of home automation
work and hence I would be fairly cheap for me to get and
build interface controller cards.

Cheers,
Kevin.

PS:  I would just like to thank JackT and BobF on what I
     would call a success in the Getrag saga...
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:23:04 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Diagnostics Port...

The diagnostics port on the 91-93 cars is under the dash on the left side of
the steering wheel.  On 94+ cars, I understand it's on the right side.

The 91-93 ports (and probably the 94s as well) have two modes of output.
There is a full-function mode which uses bidirectional serial
communications.  Don't know the baud rate, start/stop bits, etc., but you
should be able to hook up a breakout box to get that.  The second mode uses
DC pulses as you described.  Those pulses are fully documented in the
beginning of the MFI Chapter in the factory shop manual.  Next to the wave
pattern is the diagnosis.  Pretty simple and costs only about $12 to
implement.

Roger Gerl is working on something for DOS or Windows computers.  Linux
would be cool because of the more efficient (but archane) interface to
serial ports but unless you kept the application in curses mode, you'd end
up losing performance in the X protocol.

- -Bob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> [mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Clark
> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 5:12 PM
> To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'
> Subject: Team3S: Diagnostics Port...
>
>
>
> Does anyone know how I could get information from the diagnostic
> port in one of these cars.
>
> I know there are some commercial tools/software available but
> I do not have US$300 to spend on the Datalogger, etc...
> I would also prefer a UNIX/C interface.  I did have a link to
> a DSM site that had information on diagnosing the error code
> from this diagnostic port (something about counting the number
> of pulses and the gaps between them), but I seem to have lost
> it  :(
>
> Does anyone out there have this kind of information?
>
> Quite simply I now have a computer in my car to drive a large
> audio jukebox and would like to start plugging in other items,
> on the list are:
>
> Radar detector (to auto-mute the music)
> Blitz DSBC (maybe get some data from that unused port?)
> Mitsi Diagnostics Port...
> Alarm System (possibly interface with a small camera)
>
> This is just a list of possibles, I only expect a couple of
> the above to actually pan-out.
>
> The company I work for also does a lot of home automation
> work and hence I would be fairly cheap for me to get and
> build interface controller cards.
>
> Cheers,
> Kevin.
>
> PS:  I would just like to thank JackT and BobF on what I
>      would call a success in the Getrag saga...
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> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
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