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Date:
Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:19:54 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Heat shields
RPM Motorsports
wrote:
<snip>
> The biggest
> temperature increase
occurred in the back intercooler piping. This was
> caused by turbo
generating heat and the intercooler piping heating up as
> a result. I
bought some thermal wrap and wrapped the intercooler pipe
> and I noticed
an immediate reduction in air temperature by 20 degrees.
Since our cars
(TT's) are notorious for high underhood temps, this sounds like an
effective
improvement (insulating rather than cooling. How much of an exercise
is
wrapping the piping, and how long will the heat wrap
last??
Best
Darc
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Date:
Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:35:51 -0800
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Ticking noise / Valve lash
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca [mailto:wce@bc.sympatico.ca]
>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Ticking noise / Valve lash
>
> as far as
replacement. Check the easy stuff first. First, try
> an engine flush
product with your
> next oil change (Gunk, Pro-tec, etc).
I,
like a lot of people with 3000's, seem to have this loud ticking sound
coming
from the area where the valves are.
1) I was wondering how many of
you had used some sort of engine
treatment at some point in your cars...and
if so what kind. I've usually
heard that engine treatments are to be
avoided since they can cause
buildup/premature wear/etc or that they're
gimmicks.
2) Has anyone used a "high performance" oil filter (such as
K&N) rather
than the factory one? I looked at the specs on the
K&N and it exceeds the
psi and filtering specs of the factory filter and
it has the anti-drainback
valve that is one of the major benefits of the
factory filter.
3) Would oil weight have much of an effect on valve
ticking? I'm
currently using 5W30 since it's colder in WA now and the
manual says 5W30 is
preferred. Would going to a different weight
help/hurt?
4) How many people have tried Arty's method of quieting the
valve tick?
I think I'm gonna try this if others have had positive
results...
> From: Aso8@aol.com
[mailto:Aso8@aol.com]
1. Drain off and
replace one quart of oil with Marvel Mystery Oil
.... Don't change Factory
filter.
2. Drive it for 1000 miles. Not hard runs. Get the revs up to
about
3000 to 4500rpms but don't kill it. Just work the stuff in. Vary the
revs.
3. Change oil and filter after 1000 miles as follows: Mobil
One
Extreme 0W-30 and a new Factory filter. Ticking sound should be gone
with
this change but, Your Not Done Yet...Drive for another 500 miles with
this
oil change. Revs the same way.
4. Now after that 500 miles. Change
the Oil and Filter again to the
normal Mobil One 10W-30 and a new factory
filter. In really cold weather you
can use 5W-30 too.
> End of
Arty's post
So anyone have any ideas/comments/experiences?
Thanks!
- --Erik
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'95 Pearl White 3000GT 47k mi - resonatorless + bald tire mod
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Date:
Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:23:27 -0500
From: John <adams@icx.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Ticking noise / Valve lash
Arty's method will work fine if you have a
buildup of deposits in your lash adjusters
and causing the oil to not flow
properly, however, the main reason for the ticking is
caused by air getting
into the lash adjusters. Check out the web page in the Repair
Center under
the "Service" heading based on the manual and then make your
determination
if you think you are in need of Arty's
fix. #1 check your
oil level. It is
critical in preventing this.
John
"Gross,
Erik" wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca [mailto:wce@bc.sympatico.ca]
> >
Subject: Re: Team3S: Ticking noise / Valve lash
> >
> > as far
as replacement. Check the easy stuff first. First, try
> > an engine
flush product with your
> > next oil change (Gunk, Pro-tec,
etc).
>
> I, like a lot of people with 3000's, seem to have this
loud ticking sound
> coming from the area where the valves
are.
>
> 1) I was wondering how many
of you had used some sort of engine
> treatment at some point in your
cars...and if so what kind. I've usually
> heard that engine
treatments are to be avoided since they can cause
> buildup/premature
wear/etc or that they're gimmicks.
>
>
2) Has anyone used a "high performance" oil filter
(such as K&N) rather
> than the factory one? I looked at the
specs on the K&N and it exceeds the
> psi and filtering specs of the
factory filter and it has the anti-drainback
> valve that is one of the
major benefits of the factory filter.
>
>
3) Would oil weight have much of an effect on
valve ticking? I'm
> currently using 5W30 since it's colder in WA
now and the manual says 5W30 is
> preferred. Would going to a
different weight help/hurt?
>
> 4) How
many people have tried Arty's method of quieting the valve tick?
> I think
I'm gonna try this if others have had positive results...
>
> >
From: Aso8@aol.com [mailto:Aso8@aol.com]
>
>
1. Drain off and replace one quart of oil with Marvel Mystery Oil
> ....
Don't change Factory
filter.
> 2. Drive it for
1000 miles. Not hard runs. Get the revs up to about
> 3000 to 4500rpms but
don't kill it. Just work the stuff in. Vary the
revs.
> 3. Change oil and
filter after 1000 miles as follows: Mobil One
> Extreme 0W-30 and a new
Factory filter. Ticking sound should be gone with
> this change but, Your
Not Done Yet...Drive for another 500 miles with this
> oil change. Revs
the same way.
> 4. Now
after that 500 miles. Change the Oil and Filter again to the
> normal
Mobil One 10W-30 and a new factory filter. In really cold weather you
>
can use 5W-30 too.
>
> > End of Arty's post
>
> So
anyone have any ideas/comments/experiences? Thanks!
>
>
--Erik
>
>
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----------
> Erik
Gross
DuPont, WA
> '95 Pearl White 3000GT 47k mi - resonatorless + bald tire
mod
>
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dark.
> If, however, you want to look at the
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> you will find
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> The stars neither
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it."
>
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>
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Date:
Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:38:53 -0600
From: Jeff Crabtree <wjcrabtree@sprintmail.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Stock 1/4 mile times?
Does anybody know what the generally
accepted stock times/speeds are for
a first gen TT/VR-4?
I was
watching a show on ESPN2 and somebody was running a 1996
Viper
GTS(stock).....12.2!? Seemed pretty slow....maybe the guys
launch
techniques need some refining.
- --
- -Jeff
Crabtree
'91 Stealth R/T
Turbo(#499)
'93
Wrangler 4.0L
Sport
St. Louis, MO
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Date:
Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:46:15 -0500
From: "Theiss, Charles" <charles.theiss@lmco.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Stock 1/4 mile times?
I think the best time I have seen in
Motor Trend for a stock VR4 was 13.5 or
13.6. However it should be
noted that is very easy and inexpensive to
modify a VR4 to run
12's.
> ----------
> From: Jeff Crabtree[SMTP:wjcrabtree@sprintmail.com]
>
Reply To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
Sent: Friday, January 15, 1999 2:38 PM
> To: stealth@starnet.net; stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
Subject: Team3S: Stock 1/4 mile times?
>
>
> Does anybody
know what the generally accepted stock times/speeds are for
> a first gen
TT/VR-4?
>
> I was watching a show on ESPN2 and somebody was
running a 1996 Viper
> GTS(stock).....12.2!? Seemed pretty slow....maybe
the guys launch
> techniques need some refining.
>
>
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> -Jeff Crabtree
> '91 Stealth R/T
Turbo(#499)
>
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Sport
>
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Date:
Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:49:42 PST
From: "Eric Lotter" <elotter@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Stock 1/4 mile times?
Various publications have the
3S cars from 13.8 to 14.1. Stock.
for 91-93
R+T just put out a
depressingly low 14.1 for the 99
My car with no driving experince and the
K+N only ran a 14.01 @98.6 MPH
Fun stuff!
Eric
(I am missing
it as I try out this West Coast thing... )
>Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999
13:38:53 -0600
>From: Jeff Crabtree <wjcrabtree@sprintmail.com>
>To:
stealth@starnet.net,
>
"stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
>Subject:
Team3S: Stock 1/4 mile times?
>Reply-To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
>
>Does
anybody know what the generally accepted stock times/speeds are
for
>a
first gen TT/VR-4?
>
>I was watching a show on ESPN2 and somebody
was running a 1996 Viper
>GTS(stock).....12.2!? Seemed pretty
slow....maybe the guys launch
>techniques need some
refining.
>
>--
>-Jeff Crabtree
> '91
Stealth R/T
Turbo(#499)
> '93
Wrangler 4.0L
Sport
>
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Date:
Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:06:12 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Stock 1/4 mile times?
> My car with no driving experince and
the K+N only ran a 14.01 @98.6 MPH
> Fun stuff!
Before any mods I
ran a G-Tech 14.12@102mph. With FIPK and the BOV (wait !) I
broke into the
13's barrier. The BOV helped me in reducing the lag (my very
personal
feeling) of the 13Gs. As I'm a bad starter with always toasting the
clutch
I'm sure some else would see 13.6 with these mods (5-gear). With teh DSBC
and
boost cranked up to 1.05bars I saw 13.25 (G-Tech)
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(Animale Rosso)
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Date:
Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:25:25 EST
From: TTurboAWD@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Pre-cat Gutting
In a message dated 1/14/99 9:17:22 AM Eastern Standard
Time,
bbedell@austin.rr.com
writes:
<<
I have just recently failed my emission test
here in Maryland (State
Standard for Carbon Monoxide 20.0 mine was
23.7) I have both pre-cats and a
high flow cat. Any ideas?
>>
******Try a few gallons of 87 octane gas on an empty tank right
before
testing.
Wayne 3SI
#87
'91 Stealth TT
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Date:
Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:46:49 EST
From: TTurboAWD@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Stock 1/4 mile times?
In a message dated 1/15/99 2:40:52 PM Eastern
Standard Time,
wjcrabtree@sprintmail.com
writes:
<<
Does anybody know what the generally
accepted stock times/speeds are for
a first gen
TT/VR-4?
I was watching a show on ESPN2 and somebody was
running a 1996 Viper
GTS(stock).....12.2!? Seemed pretty slow....maybe
the guys launch
techniques need some refining. >>
********12.2 slow? You must run in some fast company!
Stock 3S's (1st gen) run about
13.7- 14.3 @ 97- 101 mph.
BTW, the
trap on that GTS was probably about 118
mph.
But you can modify our cars
for very little and they go in
snow.
Wayne 3SI
#87
'91 Stealth TT
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Date:
Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:59:40 -0800
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Nose Guard in the rain??
So anyone have a definitive answer about
the effects of leaving a nose guard
(bra) on after it gets wet? I've
always heard this is s big no-no as far as
the paint job goes. However,
since moving to Washington, where the winter
is rainy and they dump all this
stinking gravel/sand on the road, I've seen
many people who apparently leave
their bras on their cars for months at a
time. Even nice cars- like a
couple 3/S's around here, and especially
riceboy cars (who even if they're
worth laughing at usually take good care
of their cars). So does
it really cloud the paint to leave the nose guards
on after they get
wet? I'm only using mine in the summer now, but with all
the gravel on
the roads now, I'm having second thoughts about leaving it off
in the
winter.
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Date:
Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:08:43 -0700
From: Andrew Brilliant <andrew@attitudeink.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Nose Guard in the rain??
I used to own an Eclipse and it did
just.. clouded up the paint, this greyish color, on
a white GS-T. I was
luckily able to get all but a tiny spot off, I guess I caught it
in
time. After that, I started washing it at least once a week, and
removing the bra,
spaying it off, and drying it before putting it on the
car. Also If it started getting
loose I would heat it in the oven to
150, and then put it on in the cold, fit nice after
that.
"Gross,
Erik" wrote:
> So anyone have a definitive answer about the effects of
leaving a nose guard
> (bra) on after it gets wet? I've always heard
this is s big no-no as far as
> the paint job goes. However, since
moving to Washington, where the winter
> is rainy and they dump all this
stinking gravel/sand on the road, I've seen
> many people who apparently
leave their bras on their cars for months at a
> time. Even nice
cars- like a couple 3/S's around here, and especially
> riceboy cars (who
even if they're worth laughing at usually take good care
> of their
cars). So does it really cloud the paint to leave the nose
guards
> on after they get wet? I'm only using mine in the summer
now, but with all
> the gravel on the roads now, I'm having second
thoughts about leaving it off
> in the winter.
>
>
--Erik
>
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Date:
Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:33:58 EST
From: MrX2111@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Nose Guard in the rain??
If you leave it on do not plan on taking it
off. It will discolor the nose
the uncovered areas with age
differently. A car bra is either a permanent
ornament or not at all.
IMHO
Xannieria
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Date:
Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:51:21 -0500
From: "Trent" <rtrent@nlci.com>
Subject: Team3S: Viper
Compare
For what it's worth, (I have no intention of initiating Viper
talk on the
list) I had an opportunity to drive a Viper GTS a few weeks
ago. The trans
was definitely clunky, ergonomics were an afterthought,
but oh what a sight
to behold. Power was infinitely manageable, so much
so, that when I finally
got a chance to punch it from a rolling stop, the
lack of wheelspin left me
confused. I ran it up WOT in second and part
way through third. The
generous driver gave myself, and 4 other
co-workers a good 10-15min each.
Compared with my 13g equiped 92TT, 1st felt
a bit slower, 2nd felt about the
same, and it wasn't unitl 3rd that this
monster V10 seemed to out accelerate
the Stealth. My co-workers agreed,
one even going as far as to say the
Stealth seemed to accelerate
harder. Given the inherant inaccuracy of the
butt dyno I recognize that
these results are tenuous at best. On the
otherhand, I would be lying
if I didn't say I was dissapointed with the lack
of acceleration. If I owned
one, it wouldn't be long before I had to
subsidise the aftermarket industry
again.
Regards,
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Date:
Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:04:04 -0500
From: phnxgld@erols.com
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Stock 1/4 mile times?
Hi,
I've got a 94 VR4 with 89k miles and
factory plugs and wires. When I say factory I
mean the 60k service has
not been done yet, these plugs and wires have 89k miles on
them. I've
run at Capitol Raceway on 2 ocasions. My very first run was a 14.1
or
better, then I got a 13.64@102.5 and a 13.60@101.5. It was about 70 degrees
during
those runs, and I do have a Weapon-R air filter which I doubt is as
good as K&N and
similar filters. At any rate, the second day I ran,
I had a 14.07, 2 that were around
13.7, a 13.39 and a 13.36@102.54. I'd been trying different
launching techniques and
spun too much on the fastest run. I'm hoping
to do a 13.2 with a better launch,
although I may start modding the car
before then. Taking what I'd seen in magazines, I
would have been happy
with a 14.0 considering the mileage on my car and the fact that I
don't drive
it like granny.
Hope that helps some,
Jason
94 VR4 "I HERTZM"
13.36@102.54
"R.G." wrote:
>
> My car with no driving experince and the K+N only ran a 14.01 @98.6
MPH
> > Fun stuff!
>
> Before any mods I ran a G-Tech
14.12@102mph. With FIPK and the BOV (wait !) I
> broke into the 13's
barrier. The BOV helped me in reducing the lag (my very
> personal
feeling) of the 13Gs. As I'm a bad starter with always toasting the
>
clutch I'm sure some else would see 13.6 with these mods (5-gear). With teh
DSBC
> and boost cranked up to 1.05bars I saw 13.25
(G-Tech)
>
> -----------------------
> Roger Gerl,
Switzerland
> 93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
>
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Date:
Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:36:08 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Team3S:
Ticking revisited
Yo lads;
Whereas air in the upper chamber
'may' be the problem with your
ticking, (too much or too little oil will
cause this as per the manual's
advise) I found that the slow rev 10
times fix described in the manual
and subsequently restated recently
here, did not help in my case. Try a
ten minute oil flush with a reputable
product and see if that helps, as
it certainly did with me and a few others
who posted early here, during
the birthing of this group. Also use only
a full synthetic oil
(especially with the Turbos) thereafter, and insure you
are using the
proper weight for your conditions. If you are operating in
cold
temperatures, 5w-30 is advised (60F to -20F). 10w-30 is
advised as a
general all condition oil (-10F to 120F) and 20w-40 is
advised for
temperatures 32F to120F. Additives have been discussed at
length in the
past (some legal proceedings are in the offing) and are not
worth the
money...use a good synthetic and you should be smiling. Clean the
engine
with a good flush before you put new oil in this time. Do you wax
before
you wash your car.
Please note: Oil weights posted above
are for Turbo models...Non Turbos
use 5w-20-30-40 for temps from 60F to
-20F....use 10w-20-40-50 for temps
from -10F to 120F, and use 20w-40-50 for
temps 32F to 120F. All temps
are politely posted for you who still use F,
whereas the rest of the
planet is cruising on C. : ) : ) ;
)
Best
Darc
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Date:
Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:50:54 -0700
From: Tom Wilson <kb7get@cyberhighway.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Oil Filters
All this talk about oil filters and lash
ticking has me in the
mood to tell of my experiances so far.
I
have a 91 rt/tt that I got about 4 years ago with 14.5k on it.
Since then I
have only ran NAPA oil filters (has anti-drain valve
in it) and castrol
synthitic. 5w50 the first 3 years and trying
the 10w-30 since last march when
I had a few mods done. Standard
intake, exhaust and boost controller,
nothing wild (yet hehe).
I now have around 44k on the car and have not
had any lifter
ticking. Don't know the price differance on filters since I
have
never bought a stock mitsy or dodge filter for the car. Will look
at
work and see just what the walk in price of a filter is. I work
at a NAPA
store so the cost +10% is a very good inducement for my
buying the filters
there.:)
I also was wanting to ask if any others out here have noticed
any
oil pressure differance between the weights of oil? Seem to me that
I
had a touch higher oil pressure at idle with the 5-50w than I am
getting with
the 10-30w. Seems about the same at highway speeds or
under hard
throttle.
kb7get@cyberhighway.net
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Date:
Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:48:06 -0800
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Ticking noise / Valve lash
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: John [mailto:adams@icx.net]
> Subject: Re:
Team3S: Ticking noise / Valve lash
>
>
> Arty's method will
work fine if you have a buildup of
> deposits in your lash
adjusters
> and causing the oil to not flow properly, however, the main
> reason for the ticking is
> caused by air getting into the lash
adjusters. Check out the
> web page in the Repair
> Center under
the "Service" heading based on the manual and
> then make your
determination
> if you think you are in need of Arty's
fix. #1
>
check your oil level. It is
> critical in preventing this.
John (or
others),
Two quick questions:
<BTW, I know my oil level is ok since
I just changed it>
1) As for buildup of deposits, would 3.5
years/47,000 miles be enough tile
for significant buildups to
develop?
2) Is the ticking from the lash adjusters bad for the
engine, or just
acoustically annoying?
Thanks!
- --Erik
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Erik
Gross
DuPont, WA
'95 Pearl White 3000GT 47k mi - resonatorless + bald tire mod
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Date:
Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:09:17 -0700
From: Ricardo Cousar <rcousar@uswest.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Bearings
I can't remember which list this question came from but I think
the
information might be useful to both list.
Someone had asked the
question about where they could buy a bearing
kit. While, I was in
tranny hell I went to a bearing shop. The shop
informed me that the had
bearing that should fit my tranny, but before
they would sell them to me they
wanted to do a direct comparison with my
old part.
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Date:
Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:35:53 -0500
From: John <adams@icx.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Ticking noise / Valve lash
"Gross, Erik" wrote:
John (or
others),
> Two quick
questions:
>
> <BTW, I know my oil level is ok since I just
changed it>
>
> 1) As for buildup of deposits, would 3.5
years/47,000 miles be enough tile
> for significant buildups to
develop?
This would depend on type of oil used and also frequency of oil
and filter changes.
There has been some that say changing the filter every
other time is advantageous,
allowing the filter to clog a little and trap
finer particles. I do not support this
theory The fact is, the damaging
particles are in the 10 to 15 micron range and that is
what the filter is
designed to remove. Each particle it catches is one less particle of
it's
capacity and further particles of this size stand a greater chance of
bypassing
back to the engine. It is when all these particles collect in an
area that sludge
develops. Once the sludge develops it breaks free
occasionally and gets lodged in
smaller passageways such as the lash
adjusters. When oil can not get into the lash
adjuster to expand it, the
ticking is the result. (This is where you would use Arty's
Marvel Oil fix) If
you have changed your oil and filter at regular intervals and not
exceeding
around the 4000 mile mark you should not have a sludge buildup. If however
you
are using a standard detergent oil, (which is Ok for your model, non
turbo) on a turbo
model you could develop sludge from the coking effect of
the high heat turbo bearing
area. A synthetic is recommended for turbos
because of this effect.
> 2) Is the ticking from the lash
adjusters bad for the engine, or just
> acoustically
annoying?
Considering how the sound is made will determine if it could
cause damage. The lash
adjuster noise is not really a lash adjuster noise. Is
is due to the lash adjuster which
is supposed to take up the slack
hydraulically, not doing it's job. The sound actually
comes from the cam
striking the roller bearing on the center of the rocker and / or the
rocker
striking the valve stem or lash adjuster. If not treated and allowed to
continue
the results can be a failed rocker roller bearing or uneven wear or
edge breaking of the
cam, lash adjuster or valve stem. They will take a lot
of abuse, but eventually will
take it's toll on one of those
parts.
Most welcome sir
John
> Thanks!
>
--Erik
>
>
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> Erik
Gross
DuPont, WA
> '95 Pearl White 3000GT 47k mi - resonatorless + bald tire
mod
>
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> "You do not have to sit outside in the
dark.
> If, however, you want to look at the
stars,
> you will find
that darkness is required.
> The stars neither
require it nor demand
it."
>
--Annie Dillard
>
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Date:
Fri, 15 Jan 1999 20:07:42 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Bearings
Richard,
That sounds good, since there are a
few bearings in our transaxles and they
are
not cheap. I'm currently
in "tranny hell" as you put it, and my shop
thought that
they might be
able to find a countershaft bearing from somewhere else.
These parts
have
such close tolerances that I'm not kidding when I suggest that
you
measure
both parts with a micrometer before you buy it.
- -Bob
from tranny hell
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Date:
Fri, 15 Jan 1999 23:09:51 -0600
From: Jeff Crabtree <wjcrabtree@sprintmail.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Stock 1/4 mile times?
TTurboAWD@aol.com
wrote:
>
> ********12.2 slow? You must run in
some fast company!
> Stock
3S's (1st gen) run about 13.7- 14.3 @ 97- 101
mph.
> BTW, the trap on
that GTS was probably about 118 mph.
>
When I said that seems slow,
I meant "slow" considering the cost and prestige of the
Viper GTS....it just
seemed odd to me that a car of that nature could only run a little
faster
than a slightly modded 3S. Hell...we've got guys running low
11's.
- --
- -Jeff Crabtree
'91 Stealth R/T
Turbo(#499)
'93
Wrangler 4.0L
Sport
St. Louis, MO
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Date:
Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:43:18 -0800
From: Roger Ludwig Jr <yiotta@e-z.net>
Subject: Team3S: wheels
& rubber
Time to start fixing up my 94 3000GT SL... new 17" wheels
and tires.
So many choices.... any thoughts would be appreciated. I
need good wet
performance tires as I live in the northwest....
check out
this link and tell me if you think these would look nice on
a
3000.
Thanx
Roger Ludwig
Vancouver Washington
http://www.superbuytires.com/cgi-bin/findsbtwheel?415
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