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Team3S Digest        Thursday, January 7 1999        Volume 01 : Number 067




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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 09:10:58 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: shudder & WOT

Chris Winkley wrote:

> <big snip>
>
> However, next time he's out from under cover, I'll turn down the stereo and
> pay attention. Question...is this happening in all gears?

Certainly not in 1st and I cann't say I noticed in 2nd (but it may be there), but
certainly noticeable in 3-4-5.   Anyone with a turbo...take it out, start to accelerate
hard at 2500, in 3rd and see if there is a noticeable shudder, like retros kicking in,
at say 4000. If it's a hard smooth ride right up the rpm scale then something is amiss
here. Will drain it tonight and insure the rear end is fine for starters.

Best

Darc

PS.  Trying valiantly to rearrange and juggle here, so that  I can make this short
notice gathering. Dancing as fast as I can.  Damn Bob,  if it becomes impossible for
some of us to get there, you'll have to call another this spring with a bit of lead
time.


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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 21:23:18 +0100
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject: Team3S: Road & Track Letter to the Editor

I enjoyed reading the January 1999 On The Road article that described
the "cars & dreams of the staff."  With all of the incredible
automobiles that grace the pages of R&T, it is interesting to read what
your experts would pick given a choice of any car.  And I share your
passion.  My dream car is one that received rave reviews when it was
introduced in 1991 but then suffered undeserved neglect in subsequent
years.  It is one of the most advanced, best built, versatile,
comfortable, beautiful, safe, practical, modifiable performance cars
ever built anywhere in the world.  The leather interior is incredibly
comfortable for short or day-long trips, with automatic climate control,
plenty of luggage space, and room for the kids in the back (who you can
MAKE to sit down in their seats by accelerating to 60 in under 5
seconds!).  It is at home here in Germany flexing its active suspension
at 165 mph in 6th gear on the Autobahn or applying its all wheel drive
and steering to scream past sport-utes up snow-covered ski roads in the
Alps.  Of all of the cars in its class, it is the only one that has
survived the '90s (at least in its Mitsubishi form), and if I could have
any car ever built, there is no other that comes close to its balance of
performance and practicality.  If you haven't guessed it yet, my dream
car is a jet black 1994 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin Turbo (the sexier version
of the second generation Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4).  And it appears that I
am luckier than most of you on the R&T staff - my dream car is in my
driveway!  It is a joy to have a car that, even after years of
trouble-free ownership, is still at the cutting edge of technology and
makes me wish for a longer daily commute!!

Jim Matthews
Wiesbaden, Germany


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P.S.- I hope you publish this letter in your magazine, as I hope it will
help correct the years of disservice automotive publications inflicted
on this amazing car due to neglect and misguided testing.  Even today,
almost ten years since its introduction, the Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4
should be a strong contender in anyone's quest for a practical,
world-class supercar.  BTW, great magazine!  It is one of the few U.S.
periodicals to which I subscribe and I look forward to its arrival every
month!

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K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 70/84% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Bosch Winged Wipers
Magnecore spark plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 18:29:17 -0500
From: "Trent" <rtrent@nlci.com>
Subject: Team3S: 2500-3000 Flat spot

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All,
Love this new list (new to me).  For the last two years I've been =
watching the best tech. resources leave starnet.  Great to hear from Bob =
Fontana again, now I know where everybody went.
Since switching to RC 500's, (BTW even after installing 13g's, I wasn't =
able to reliably pull 1.1+ bar until I upgraded the injectors.  The =
difference was nothing short of miraculous) I've been noticing a flat =
spot from 2500-3000 at light throttle settings.  Ajustments to my Apex =
AFC make little or no difference.  If I were not such a perfectionist, =
it would probably go unoticed, none the less, It's interesting.  It =
seems like there has always been a bit of a flat spot in this range on =
these cars, but since installing the RC 500's, it's noticably worse.  =
Anyone else noticed any similar changes with fuel system upgrades?
=20
P.S.  I'm convinced that knock problems as noted by Roger G. at higer =
than stock boost levels can be completely controlled by increasing fuel. =
 The richer the mix, the faster the flame speed.  Faster flame speed =
consumes the mix before knock has a chance to occur.  I suspect this is =
why our cars need to run so excessively rich.  I used to think this was =
an exhaust manifold restriction problem.  I no longer think that is the =
case.
=20
Regards,
Dave T/92TT

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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>All,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Love this new list (new to =
me).&nbsp; For the=20
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starnet.&nbsp;=20
Great to hear from Bob Fontana again, now I know where everybody=20
went.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Since switching to RC 500's, (BTW =
even after=20
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upgraded the=20
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been=20
noticing a flat spot from 2500-3000 at light throttle settings.&nbsp; =
Ajustments=20
to my Apex AFC make little or no difference.&nbsp; If I were not such a=20
perfectionist, it would probably go unoticed, none the less, It's=20
interesting.&nbsp; It seems like there has always been a bit of a flat =
spot in=20
this range on these cars, but since installing the RC 500's, it's =
noticably=20
worse.&nbsp; Anyone else noticed any similar changes with fuel system=20
upgrades?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
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controlled=20
by increasing fuel.&nbsp; The richer the mix, the faster the flame =
speed.&nbsp;=20
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used to=20
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longer think=20
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:53:06 -0500
From: "Bob Rand" <rtr@vnet.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 2500-3000 Flat spot

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Dave,  Im going to take a guess at this,  I have stock turbos, and they =
don't really get spooled up until about 3k and then you can feel the =
punch.  With the bigger turbos, they will spool a little slower than =
stock, so the rpm range you refer to is right at the end of the dead =
zone.  If you gutt your precats, it should allow the turbos to spool =
more quickly and could help with your situation.

Bob
93 Stealth TT
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Trent <rtrent@nlci.com>
    To: 3000/Stealth Technical List <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
    Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 6:28 PM
    Subject: Team3S: 2500-3000 Flat spot
   =20
   =20
    All,
    Love this new list (new to me).  For the last two years I've been =
watching the best tech. resources leave starnet.  Great to hear from Bob =
Fontana again, now I know where everybody went.
    Since switching to RC 500's, (BTW even after installing 13g's, I =
wasn't able to reliably pull 1.1+ bar until I upgraded the injectors.  =
The difference was nothing short of miraculous) I've been noticing a =
flat spot from 2500-3000 at light throttle settings.  Ajustments to my =
Apex AFC make little or no difference.  If I were not such a =
perfectionist, it would probably go unoticed, none the less, It's =
interesting.  It seems like there has always been a bit of a flat spot =
in this range on these cars, but since installing the RC 500's, it's =
noticably worse.  Anyone else noticed any similar changes with fuel =
system upgrades?
    =20
    P.S.  I'm convinced that knock problems as noted by Roger G. at =
higer than stock boost levels can be completely controlled by increasing =
fuel.  The richer the mix, the faster the flame speed.  Faster flame =
speed consumes the mix before knock has a chance to occur.  I suspect =
this is why our cars need to run so excessively rich.  I used to think =
this was an exhaust manifold restriction problem.  I no longer think =
that is the case.
    =20
    Regards,
    Dave T/92TT

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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Dave,&nbsp; Im going to take a guess =
at=20
this,&nbsp; I have stock turbos, and they don't really get spooled up =
until=20
about 3k and then you can feel the punch.&nbsp; With the bigger turbos, =
they=20
will spool a little slower than stock, so the rpm range you refer to is =
right at=20
the end of the dead zone.&nbsp; If you gutt your precats, it should =
allow the=20
turbos to spool more quickly and could help with your =
situation.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Bob</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>93 Stealth TT</FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px">
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>-----Original =
Message-----</B><BR><B>From:=20
    </B>Trent &lt;<A=20
    href=3D"mailto:rtrent@nlci.com">rtrent@nlci.com</A>&gt;<BR><B>To:=20
    </B>3000/Stealth Technical List &lt;<A=20
    =
href=3D"mailto:stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com">stealth-3000gt@list.sirius=
.com</A>&gt;<BR><B>Date:=20
    </B>Wednesday, January 06, 1999 6:28 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Team3S: =
2500-3000=20
    Flat spot<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>All,</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Love this new list (new to =
me).&nbsp; For=20
    the last two years I've been watching the best tech. resources leave =

    starnet.&nbsp; Great to hear from Bob Fontana again, now I know =
where=20
    everybody went.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Since switching to RC 500's, =
(BTW even after=20
    installing 13g's, I wasn't able to reliably pull 1.1+ bar until I =
upgraded=20
    the injectors.&nbsp; The difference was nothing short of miraculous) =
I've=20
    been noticing a flat spot from 2500-3000 at light throttle =
settings.&nbsp;=20
    Ajustments to my Apex AFC make little or no difference.&nbsp; If I =
were not=20
    such a perfectionist, it would probably go unoticed, none the less, =
It's=20
    interesting.&nbsp; It seems like there has always been a bit of a =
flat spot=20
    in this range on these cars, but since installing the RC 500's, it's =

    noticably worse.&nbsp; Anyone else noticed any similar changes with =
fuel=20
    system upgrades?</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>P.S.&nbsp; I'm convinced that =
knock problems=20
    as noted by Roger G. at higer than stock boost levels can be =
completely=20
    controlled by increasing fuel.&nbsp; The richer the mix, the faster =
the=20
    flame speed.&nbsp; Faster flame speed consumes the mix before knock =
has a=20
    chance to occur.&nbsp; I suspect this is why our cars need to run so =

    excessively rich.&nbsp; I used to think this was an exhaust manifold =

    restriction problem.&nbsp; I no longer think that is the =
case.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Dave=20
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:56:28 -0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@texas.net>
Subject: Team3S: RE: Help - Car won't start?

Arty,

If you need any parts to "try" on the  car, let me know.  I have pretty much
a full upper end of a 91 VR4.

Everything from the heads up.

> Brad
>
> Check out my home page:    http://lonestar.texas.net/~bbedell
> E-Mail: bbedell@texas.net ICQ#  3612682


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From: Aso8@aol.com [mailto:Aso8@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 6:41 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com; Stealth@starnet.net
Cc: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Help - Car won't start?

My 91 VR-4 won't start? I seem to have a weak spark.
The spark is ORANGE. It should be blue.
Its not the battery, coil, power transitor or fuel?
What the heck can it be?
Car was stalling right after it started. Now won't start. It turns over but
what could it be? BTW, the car has 117,500 miles. Usually runs great.
Thanks for any suggestions.
Arty 91 VR-4
She got insulted because I bought the explorer?


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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:25:21 -0800
From: "Bill" <compren@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Team3S: Fw: Wastegate Actuators?

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From: Bill <compren@lightspeed.net>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 7:14 PM
Subject: Wastegate Actuators?


Anyone out there got the parts/knowledge and time to help me with a =
small problem?
=20
I had some things added to my Car by GT alley as they were the closest =
and the only people I could find that had any experience with our =
cars...Anyway, it wasn't a great experience but all being said, where I =
am at now is I'm pretty sure, and they're positive I need a new =
wastegate actuator...
=20
I can't get over about 11psi with an HKS evc, even with the hoses they =
say should make the car run boost until fuel cut disconnected it maxes =
at 11...
=20
Please help,
=20
- -thanks
=20
- -Bill/'95 white VR-4 spyder, Bakersfield, CA
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>-----Original =
Message-----</B><BR><B>From:=20
</B>Bill &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:compren@lightspeed.net">compren@lightspeed.net</A>&gt;<BR>=
<B>To:=20
</B><A=20
href=3D"mailto:stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com">stealth-3000gt@list.sirius=
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&lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com">stealth-3000gt@list.sirius=
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</B>Wednesday, January 06, 1999 7:14 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Wastegate=20
Actuators?<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Arial Narrow">Anyone out there got =
the=20
parts/knowledge and time to help me with a small problem?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Arial Narrow"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Arial Narrow">I had some things added =
to my Car=20
by GT alley as they were the closest and the only people I could find =
that had=20
any experience with our cars...Anyway, it wasn't a great experience but =
all=20
being said, where I am at now is I'm pretty sure, and they're positive I =
need a=20
new wastegate actuator...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Arial Narrow"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Arial Narrow">I can't get over about =
11psi with=20
an HKS evc, even with the hoses they say should make the car run boost =
until=20
fuel cut disconnected it maxes at 11...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Arial Narrow"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Arial Narrow">Please =
help,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Arial Narrow"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Arial Narrow">-thanks</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Arial Narrow"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Arial Narrow">-Bill/'95 white VR-4 =
spyder,=20
Bakersfield, CA</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 00:40:48 -0800
From: Rich <rleroy@pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Fw: Wastegate Actuators?

Bill:

Once again, welcome to the list.  It seems Bob F. and I both subscribed
you almost simultaneously tonight, so it looks like we'll have to use
the phone more often.  :-)

On an administrative note, I have to ask you to turn off the HTML
feature of your browser when sending posts to the list.  The rules for
the list are specific about HTML, v-card attachments, colors, etc.,
i.e., the list is pure ascii text.  The software we use has a problem
with these items, plus some of the members use older browsers that
simply don't support these features.

Thanx in advance for taking care of this.

Rich
Admin - Team3S

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Bill wrote:
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill <compren@lightspeed.net>
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
> Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 7:14 PM
> Subject: Wastegate Actuators?
>
> Anyone out there got the parts/knowledge and time to help me with a
> small problem?

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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 09:59:42 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 2500-3000 Flat spot

Well, with my 13G's (stock on EU cars) they really start to boost up not before
3000. They also have more lag than the smaller stock ones (proven comparison
between Jims Stealth and my car).

What I don't understand is why you have not been able to pull 1.1+ bars. What
happens then ? I was able to push up to unhealthy 1.25bars until hesitation and
fuel cut stopped me. Ok, the european ones also seem to have larger injectors
(460 but not yet proven) but as far as I know, Mikael from Sweden does also have
no problems to exceed 1.1bars with stock turbos, stock injectors and the Blitz
controller.

In the 2000-3000 area changing the fuel amount did not anything to the
behaivour. On the dyno we increased the fuel by about 5-10% to get more response
on the lower end. After the rebuild I set the AFC off and now played again with
the settings. I don't feel any difference now.

Controlling knock problems by increasing fuel isn't a good idea but the way it
is done. But it sould be done only AFTER all other options where done (downpipe,
pre-cats, porting the turbine housing, reading EGT in the manifolds, etc.) The
faster flame speed you describe cannot hinder the bad high speed knock that
appears around 5600.

Dave, for further investigations, please provide us with all your mods to make
sure we are talking about the same things and into the right directions.

Later,
Roger

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Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)


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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 10:10:51 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Team3S: Replies to the Starnet List !

Dear List Members,

Please be aware that the TEAM3S list is not connected to the other lists around.
Therefore please DO NOT respond or dublicate any message to another and the
TEAM3S at the same time as this will lead into messages who are not meant to be
on this list.

Thanks for your understanding,
TEAM3S


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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 10:22:21 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Fw: Wastegate Actuators?

Hey Bill,

> I had some things added to my Car by GT alley as they were the closest and the
> only people I could find that had any experience with our cars...

Then you know that GT Alley isn't existing anymore and we need to know what
Brian did to your car (parts, etc.)

> Anyway, it wasn't a great experience but all being said, where I am at now is
> I'm pretty sure, and they're positive I need a new wastegate actuator...

If you referring to GT Alley saying this, it would be a good thing to check this
out by yourself !

> I can't get over about 11psi with an HKS evc, even with the hoses they say
> should make the car run boost until fuel cut disconnected it maxes at 11...

Ahem, I do not exactly understand what you are saying here, but checking a
wastegate actuator is a 5 minutes job ! Just attach a small handpump that can
create and hold a vaccum (or pressure of course) to the actuator lines at the
4-way connector close the rear turbo. Then pump the boost up and watch them
moving the lever. The front one is very easy to investigate but the rear one
needs a good lamp and maybe a small mirror. Pump boost up and release it again
to see how they work.

It is known that the springs in the actuators are becomming weaker over the
years and therefore the wastegates are open earlier but this can be compensated
by the boost controller and therefore I doubt that you really need a new
wastegate actuator !

If you don't have such a small pump, each shop should be able to do this test
within 5 minutes with YOU watching the wastegates operation.

Good luck,
Roger

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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 02:33:49 -0800
From: "Bill" <compren@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Wastegate Actuators?

>Then you know that GT Alley isn't existing anymore and we need to know what
Brian did to your car (parts)
Downpipe, highflowcat, HKS evc. (Already had borla exhaust, magencor, and
K&N)

GT said: If the hose to the actuators was removed I'd get boost until fuel
cut, they tried this and still got only 11psi.  They used a air compressor
to show the front wastegate moving but thought the rear was bad.
>> I can't get over about 11psi with an HKS evc, even with the hoses they
say
>> should make the car run boost until fuel cut disconnected it maxes at
11...
>
Just attach a small handpump that can create and hold a vaccum (or pressure
of course) to the actuator lines at the 4-way connector close the rear
turbo. Then pump the boost up and watch them moving the lever. The front one
is very easy to investigate but the rear one needs a good lamp and maybe a
small mirror. Pump boost up and release it again to see how they work.
>
this can be compensated by the boost controller and therefore I doubt that
you really need a new
>wastegate actuator !


What would you guess at the problem being if I'm unable exceed 11psi? (Even
in learning mode on EVC) (A plugged, crimped or disconnected hose would do
the opposite correct?)

_Thanks for the quick and informed answer, wish there was a qualified shop
around here.

Its something I don't understand and am losing patience with and I'm
certainly not enjoying the car as much as I should be...

- -thanks again,

- -Bill

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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 07:13:10 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Fw: Wastegate Actuators?

Bill,

The wastegate actuator should begin moving at 6.8 PSI.  A tool that you can
make yourself will be helpful in confirming this.  I bought a cheap, $14
bicycle pump and connected the business end up to a hose which tee's to a
pressure guage.  I use it to test all sorts of things ranging from my
actuators to the entire I/C system. (I also bought some PVC caps that fit
perfectly inside our I/C hoses which can be clamped on each end of the I/C
run, allowing the I/C's themselves to be static tested under 20 PSI).

- -Bob

> I had some things added to my Car by GT alley as they were the closest and
the only > people I could find that had any experience with our
cars...Anyway, it wasn't a
> great experience but all being said, where I am at now is I'm pretty sure,
and
> they're positive I need a new wastegate actuator...
>
> I can't get over about 11psi with an HKS evc, even with the hoses they say
should
> make the car run boost until fuel cut disconnected it maxes at 11...

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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 07:53:14 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Fw: Wastegate Actuators?

Bill,

I probably could have been clearer.  The wastegate acutator arm will begin
moving when the pressure in the line connected to the actuator is 6.8 PSI.
You connect the bicycle pump up to the actuator and pump until the pressure
reaches about 7 PSI.  You will see the arm on the actuator start to move.
This can be done "on car", although the rear one is difficult to get to.

- -Bob

> The wastegate actuator should begin moving at 6.8 PSI.  A tool
> that you can make yourself will be helpful in confirming this.

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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:48:36 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: Help - Car won't start?

Brad, thanks very much for the offer. I really appreciate it. I'll hope to
narrow down the problem tonight. I think I may be able to get a coil from
NYmaax (locally) to try & see if that's the problem. Boy, that huge tool box &
all those testers are really coming in handy. Not that I have any idea what
the heck I'm doing. hehe
Arty 91 VR-4

In a message dated 1/6/99 10:15:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, bbedell@texas.net
writes:

<< Subj: Team3S: RE: Help - Car won't start?
 Date: 1/6/99 10:15:52 PM Pacific Standard Time
 From: bbedell@texas.net (Brad Bedell)
 Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 Reply-to: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 To: stealth@starnet.net, stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 
 Arty,
 
 If you need any parts to "try" on the  car, let me know.  I have pretty much
 a full upper end of a 91 VR4.
 
 Everything from the heads up.
 
 > Brad
 > >>
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:55:15 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Help - Car won't start?

Arty,

Did you check the output of the ignition module that fires the coils?

- -Bob
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:20:35 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Has anyone had a coil go bad?

Just a short survey... I'd like to know if anyone had a coil go bad? If so,
was it age or  mileage?
Thanks Arty 91 VR-4
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 12:22:11 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject: Team3S: Wastegate actuator pictures

I couldn't resist.  Here are some pictures of my boost tester shown testing
the actuators on some stock turbos.

http://www.gate.net/~mits/dcp00059.jpg shows the testing unit with the
optional I/C hose test plug.

http://www.gate.net/~mits/dcp00060.jpg shows the actuator in the closed
position.  This permits boost to develop.

http://www.gate.net/~mits/dcp00061.jpg shows the actuator in the open
position.  Notice that the arm has moved to the left slightly.  The
wastegate door is now open, allowing exhaust to go around the turbine wheel.
When the pressure got to about 7 PSI, the actuator arm moved left about
1/4".  If you click on the previous links, display the pictures with your
browser, then hit <-Back and Forward-> a few times, you can see position
change.  If you can't see the difference, trust me on this one!

- -Bob

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