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Date:
Wed, 06 Jan 1999 09:10:58 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: RE: shudder & WOT
Chris Winkley wrote:
> <big
snip>
>
> However, next time he's out from under cover, I'll turn
down the stereo and
> pay attention. Question...is this happening in all
gears?
Certainly not in 1st and I cann't say I noticed in 2nd (but it may
be there), but
certainly noticeable in 3-4-5. Anyone with a
turbo...take it out, start to accelerate
hard at 2500, in 3rd and see if
there is a noticeable shudder, like retros kicking in,
at say 4000. If it's a
hard smooth ride right up the rpm scale then something is amiss
here. Will
drain it tonight and insure the rear end is fine for
starters.
Best
Darc
PS. Trying valiantly to rearrange
and juggle here, so that I can make this short
notice gathering.
Dancing as fast as I can. Damn Bob, if it becomes impossible
for
some of us to get there, you'll have to call another this spring with a
bit of lead
time.
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Date:
Wed, 06 Jan 1999 21:23:18 +0100
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject:
Team3S: Road & Track Letter to the Editor
I enjoyed reading the
January 1999 On The Road article that described
the "cars & dreams of the
staff." With all of the incredible
automobiles that grace the pages of
R&T, it is interesting to read what
your experts would pick given a
choice of any car. And I share your
passion. My dream car is one
that received rave reviews when it was
introduced in 1991 but then suffered
undeserved neglect in subsequent
years. It is one of the most advanced,
best built, versatile,
comfortable, beautiful, safe, practical, modifiable
performance cars
ever built anywhere in the world. The leather interior
is incredibly
comfortable for short or day-long trips, with automatic climate
control,
plenty of luggage space, and room for the kids in the back (who you
can
MAKE to sit down in their seats by accelerating to 60 in under
5
seconds!). It is at home here in Germany flexing its active
suspension
at 165 mph in 6th gear on the Autobahn or applying its all wheel
drive
and steering to scream past sport-utes up snow-covered ski roads in
the
Alps. Of all of the cars in its class, it is the only one that
has
survived the '90s (at least in its Mitsubishi form), and if I could
have
any car ever built, there is no other that comes close to its balance
of
performance and practicality. If you haven't guessed it yet, my
dream
car is a jet black 1994 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin Turbo (the sexier
version
of the second generation Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4). And it
appears that I
am luckier than most of you on the R&T staff - my dream
car is in my
driveway! It is a joy to have a car that, even after years
of
trouble-free ownership, is still at the cutting edge of technology
and
makes me wish for a longer daily commute!!
Jim
Matthews
Wiesbaden, Germany
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German Address
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P.S.- I hope you publish this
letter in your magazine, as I hope it will
help correct the years of
disservice automotive publications inflicted
on this amazing car due to
neglect and misguided testing. Even today,
almost ten years since its
introduction, the Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4
should be a strong contender in
anyone's quest for a practical,
world-class supercar. BTW, great
magazine! It is one of the few U.S.
periodicals to which I subscribe
and I look forward to its arrival every
month!
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Jet
Black '94 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active
Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0
bar @ 70/84% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Bosch Winged
Wipers
Magnecore spark plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
Metal Matrix
brake pads, custom braided brake lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, TS
(so far): 166mph
G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9
mph
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Date:
Wed, 6 Jan 1999 18:29:17 -0500
From: "Trent" <rtrent@nlci.com>
Subject: Team3S:
2500-3000 Flat spot
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All,
Love this new list (new to me). For the
last two years I've been =
watching the best tech. resources leave
starnet. Great to hear from Bob =
Fontana again, now I know where
everybody went.
Since switching to RC 500's, (BTW even after installing
13g's, I wasn't =
able to reliably pull 1.1+ bar until I upgraded the
injectors. The =
difference was nothing short of miraculous) I've been
noticing a flat =
spot from 2500-3000 at light throttle settings.
Ajustments to my Apex =
AFC make little or no difference. If I were not
such a perfectionist, =
it would probably go unoticed, none the less, It's
interesting. It =
seems like there has always been a bit of a flat spot
in this range on =
these cars, but since installing the RC 500's, it's
noticably worse. =
Anyone else noticed any similar changes with fuel
system upgrades?
=20
P.S. I'm convinced that knock problems as noted
by Roger G. at higer =
than stock boost levels can be completely controlled
by increasing fuel. =
The richer the mix, the faster the flame
speed. Faster flame speed =
consumes the mix before knock has a chance
to occur. I suspect this is =
why our cars need to run so excessively
rich. I used to think this was =
an exhaust manifold restriction
problem. I no longer think that is the
=
case.
=20
Regards,
Dave T/92TT
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000
size=3D2>All,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000
size=3D2>Love this new list (new to =
me). For the=20
last
two years I've been watching the best tech. resources leave
=
starnet. =20
Great to hear from Bob Fontana again, now I know
where everybody=20
went.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT
color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Since switching to RC 500's, (BTW =
even
after=20
installing 13g's, I wasn't able to reliably pull 1.1+ bar until I
=
upgraded the=20
injectors. The difference was nothing short of
miraculous) I've =
been=20
noticing a flat spot from 2500-3000 at light
throttle settings. =
Ajustments=20
to my Apex AFC make little or
no difference. If I were not such a=20
perfectionist, it would
probably go unoticed, none the less, It's=20
interesting. It seems
like there has always been a bit of a flat =
spot in=20
this range on
these cars, but since installing the RC 500's, it's
=
noticably=20
worse. Anyone else noticed any similar changes
with fuel system=20
upgrades?</FONT></DIV>
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color=3D#000000
size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT
color=3D#000000 size=3D2>P.S. I'm convinced that knock
=
problems as=20
noted by Roger G. at higer than stock boost levels can be
completely =
controlled=20
by increasing fuel. The richer the
mix, the faster the flame =
speed. =20
Faster flame speed
consumes the mix before knock has a chance to =
occur.
I=20
suspect this is why our cars need to run so excessively rich.
I =
used to=20
think this was an exhaust manifold restriction
problem. I no =
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case.</FONT></DIV>
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Date:
Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:53:06 -0500
From: "Bob Rand" <rtr@vnet.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
2500-3000 Flat spot
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Dave, Im going to take a guess at this, I
have stock turbos, and they =
don't really get spooled up until about 3k and
then you can feel the =
punch. With the bigger turbos, they will spool
a little slower than =
stock, so the rpm range you refer to is right at the
end of the dead =
zone. If you gutt your precats, it should allow the
turbos to spool =
more quickly and could help with your
situation.
Bob
93 Stealth TT
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Message-----
From: Trent <rtrent@nlci.com>
To:
3000/Stealth Technical List <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 6:28 PM
Subject: Team3S:
2500-3000 Flat spot
=20
=20
All,
Love this new list (new to
me). For the last two years I've been =
watching the best tech.
resources leave starnet. Great to hear from Bob =
Fontana again, now I
know where everybody went.
Since switching to RC 500's,
(BTW even after installing 13g's, I =
wasn't able to reliably pull 1.1+ bar
until I upgraded the injectors. =
The difference was nothing short of
miraculous) I've been noticing a =
flat spot from 2500-3000 at light throttle
settings. Ajustments to my =
Apex AFC make little or no
difference. If I were not such a =
perfectionist, it would probably go
unoticed, none the less, It's =
interesting. It seems like there has
always been a bit of a flat spot =
in this range on these cars, but since
installing the RC 500's, it's =
noticably worse. Anyone else noticed
any similar changes with fuel =
system upgrades?
=20
P.S. I'm convinced that knock problems as noted
by Roger G. at =
higer than stock boost levels can be completely controlled
by increasing =
fuel. The richer the mix, the faster the flame
speed. Faster flame =
speed consumes the mix before knock has a chance
to occur. I suspect =
this is why our cars need to run so excessively
rich. I used to think =
this was an exhaust manifold restriction
problem. I no longer think =
that is the case.
=20
Regards,
Dave T/92TT
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size=3D2>Dave, Im going to take a guess
=
at=20
this, I have stock turbos, and they don't really get
spooled up =
until=20
about 3k and then you can feel the punch.
With the bigger turbos, =
they=20
will spool a little slower than stock,
so the rpm range you refer to is =
right at=20
the end of the dead
zone. If you gutt your precats, it should =
allow the=20
turbos
to spool more quickly and could help with your
=
situation.</FONT></DIV>
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size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2>Bob</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>93
Stealth
TT</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2><B>-----Original
=
Message-----</B><BR><B>From:=20
</B>Trent <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:rtrent@nlci.com">rtrent@nlci.com</A>><BR><B>To:=20
</B>3000/Stealth Technical List <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com">stealth-3000gt@list.sirius=
.com</A>><BR><B>Date:=20
</B>Wednesday, January 06, 1999 6:28 PM<BR><B>Subject:
</B>Team3S: =
2500-3000=20
Flat
spot<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000
size=3D2>All,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Love this new list (new to
=
me). For=20
the last two years I've been
watching the best tech. resources leave =
starnet. Great to hear from Bob Fontana again, now I know
=
where=20
everybody
went.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT
color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Since switching to RC 500's, =
(BTW even
after=20
installing 13g's, I wasn't able to reliably pull
1.1+ bar until I =
upgraded=20
the injectors.
The difference was nothing short of miraculous)
=
I've=20
been noticing a flat spot from 2500-3000 at
light throttle =
settings. =20
Ajustments to
my Apex AFC make little or no difference. If I =
were
not=20
such a perfectionist, it would probably go
unoticed, none the less, =
It's=20
interesting. It seems like there has always been a bit of a =
flat
spot=20
in this range on these cars, but since installing
the RC 500's, it's =
noticably worse. Anyone
else noticed any similar changes with =
fuel=20
system
upgrades?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT
color=3D#000000
size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>P.S. I'm convinced
that =
knock problems=20
as noted by Roger G. at higer
than stock boost levels can be =
completely=20
controlled by increasing fuel. The richer the mix, the faster
=
the=20
flame speed. Faster flame speed
consumes the mix before knock =
has a=20
chance to
occur. I suspect this is why our cars need to run so
=
excessively rich. I used to think this was
an exhaust manifold =
restriction problem. I
no longer think that is the
=
case.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT
color=3D#000000
size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000
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Date:
Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:56:28 -0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@texas.net>
Subject: Team3S:
RE: Help - Car won't start?
Arty,
If you need any parts to "try"
on the car, let me know. I have pretty much
a full upper end of a
91 VR4.
Everything from the heads up.
> Brad
>
>
Check out my home page: http://lonestar.texas.net/~bbedell
>
E-Mail: bbedell@texas.net ICQ#
3612682
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From: Aso8@aol.com [mailto:Aso8@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January
06, 1999 6:41 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com;
Stealth@starnet.net
Cc: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Help - Car won't
start?
My 91 VR-4 won't start? I seem to have a weak spark.
The spark
is ORANGE. It should be blue.
Its not the battery, coil, power transitor or
fuel?
What the heck can it be?
Car was stalling right after it started.
Now won't start. It turns over but
what could it be? BTW, the car has 117,500
miles. Usually runs great.
Thanks for any suggestions.
Arty 91 VR-4
She
got insulted because I bought the explorer?
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Date:
Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:25:21 -0800
From: "Bill" <compren@lightspeed.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Fw: Wastegate Actuators?
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Date:
Wednesday, January 06, 1999 7:14 PM
Subject: Wastegate
Actuators?
Anyone out there got the parts/knowledge and time to help
me with a =
small problem?
=20
I had some things added to my Car by GT
alley as they were the closest =
and the only people I could find that had
any experience with our =
cars...Anyway, it wasn't a great experience but all
being said, where I =
am at now is I'm pretty sure, and they're positive I
need a new =
wastegate actuator...
=20
I can't get over about 11psi
with an HKS evc, even with the hoses they =
say should make the car run boost
until fuel cut disconnected it maxes =
at 11...
=20
Please
help,
=20
- -thanks
=20
- -Bill/'95 white VR-4 spyder, Bakersfield,
CA
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<<A=20
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<B>To:=20
</B><A=20
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<<A=20
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January 06, 1999 7:14 PM<BR><B>Subject:
</B>Wastegate=20
Actuators?<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT
color=3D#000000 face=3D"Arial Narrow">Anyone out there got
=
the=20
parts/knowledge and time to help me with a small
problem?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000
face=3D"Arial
Narrow"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT
color=3D#000000 face=3D"Arial Narrow">I had some things added =
to my
Car=20
by GT alley as they were the closest and the only people I could find
=
that had=20
any experience with our cars...Anyway, it wasn't a great
experience but =
all=20
being said, where I am at now is I'm pretty sure,
and they're positive I =
need a=20
new wastegate
actuator...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000
face=3D"Arial
Narrow"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT
color=3D#000000 face=3D"Arial Narrow">I can't get over about =
11psi
with=20
an HKS evc, even with the hoses they say should make the car run
boost =
until=20
fuel cut disconnected it maxes at
11...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000
face=3D"Arial
Narrow"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT
color=3D#000000 face=3D"Arial Narrow">Please
=
help,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000
face=3D"Arial
Narrow"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT
color=3D#000000 face=3D"Arial
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<DIV><FONT
color=3D#000000 face=3D"Arial Narrow">-Bill/'95 white VR-4
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Bakersfield,
CA</FONT></DIV>
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Date:
Thu, 07 Jan 1999 00:40:48 -0800
From: Rich <rleroy@pacifier.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Fw: Wastegate Actuators?
Bill:
Once again, welcome to the
list. It seems Bob F. and I both subscribed
you almost simultaneously
tonight, so it looks like we'll have to use
the phone more often.
:-)
On an administrative note, I have to ask you to turn off the
HTML
feature of your browser when sending posts to the list. The rules
for
the list are specific about HTML, v-card attachments, colors,
etc.,
i.e., the list is pure ascii text. The software we use has a
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that
simply don't support these features.
Thanx in advance for taking
care of this.
Rich
Admin - Team3S
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill
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> To:
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>
Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 7:14 PM
> Subject: Wastegate
Actuators?
>
> Anyone out there got the parts/knowledge and time to
help me with a
> small problem?
<snip>
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Date:
Thu, 07 Jan 1999 09:59:42 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: 2500-3000 Flat spot
Well, with my 13G's (stock on EU cars) they
really start to boost up not before
3000. They also have more lag than the
smaller stock ones (proven comparison
between Jims Stealth and my
car).
What I don't understand is why you have not been able to pull 1.1+
bars. What
happens then ? I was able to push up to unhealthy 1.25bars until
hesitation and
fuel cut stopped me. Ok, the european ones also seem to have
larger injectors
(460 but not yet proven) but as far as I know, Mikael from
Sweden does also have
no problems to exceed 1.1bars with stock turbos, stock
injectors and the Blitz
controller.
In the 2000-3000 area changing the
fuel amount did not anything to the
behaivour. On the dyno we increased the
fuel by about 5-10% to get more response
on the lower end. After the rebuild
I set the AFC off and now played again with
the settings. I don't feel any
difference now.
Controlling knock problems by increasing fuel isn't a
good idea but the way it
is done. But it sould be done only AFTER all other
options where done (downpipe,
pre-cats, porting the turbine housing, reading
EGT in the manifolds, etc.) The
faster flame speed you describe cannot hinder
the bad high speed knock that
appears around 5600.
Dave, for further
investigations, please provide us with all your mods to make
sure we are
talking about the same things and into the right
directions.
Later,
Roger
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Roger
Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
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Date:
Thu, 07 Jan 1999 10:10:51 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject:
Team3S: Replies to the Starnet List !
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Date:
Thu, 07 Jan 1999 10:22:21 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Fw: Wastegate Actuators?
Hey Bill,
> I had some things
added to my Car by GT alley as they were the closest and the
> only people
I could find that had any experience with our cars...
Then you know that
GT Alley isn't existing anymore and we need to know what
Brian did to your
car (parts, etc.)
> Anyway, it wasn't a great experience but all being
said, where I am at now is
> I'm pretty sure, and they're positive I need
a new wastegate actuator...
If you referring to GT Alley saying this, it
would be a good thing to check this
out by yourself !
> I can't get
over about 11psi with an HKS evc, even with the hoses they say
> should
make the car run boost until fuel cut disconnected it maxes at
11...
Ahem, I do not exactly understand what you are saying here, but
checking a
wastegate actuator is a 5 minutes job ! Just attach a small
handpump that can
create and hold a vaccum (or pressure of course) to the
actuator lines at the
4-way connector close the rear turbo. Then pump the
boost up and watch them
moving the lever. The front one is very easy to
investigate but the rear one
needs a good lamp and maybe a small mirror. Pump
boost up and release it again
to see how they work.
It is known that
the springs in the actuators are becomming weaker over the
years and
therefore the wastegates are open earlier but this can be compensated
by the
boost controller and therefore I doubt that you really need a new
wastegate
actuator !
If you don't have such a small pump, each shop should be able
to do this test
within 5 minutes with YOU watching the wastegates
operation.
Good luck,
Roger
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K&N
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Date:
Thu, 7 Jan 1999 02:33:49 -0800
From: "Bill" <compren@lightspeed.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Re: Wastegate Actuators?
>Then you know that GT Alley isn't
existing anymore and we need to know what
Brian did to your car
(parts)
Downpipe, highflowcat, HKS evc. (Already had borla exhaust, magencor,
and
K&N)
GT said: If the hose to the actuators was removed I'd get
boost until fuel
cut, they tried this and still got only 11psi. They
used a air compressor
to show the front wastegate moving but thought the rear
was bad.
>> I can't get over about 11psi with an HKS evc, even with the
hoses they
say
>> should make the car run boost until fuel cut
disconnected it maxes at
11...
>
Just attach a small handpump that
can create and hold a vaccum (or pressure
of course) to the actuator lines at
the 4-way connector close the rear
turbo. Then pump the boost up and watch
them moving the lever. The front one
is very easy to investigate but the rear
one needs a good lamp and maybe a
small mirror. Pump boost up and release it
again to see how they work.
>
this can be compensated by the boost
controller and therefore I doubt that
you really need a new
>wastegate
actuator !
What would you guess at the problem being if I'm unable
exceed 11psi? (Even
in learning mode on EVC) (A plugged, crimped or
disconnected hose would do
the opposite correct?)
_Thanks for the
quick and informed answer, wish there was a qualified shop
around
here.
Its something I don't understand and am losing patience with and
I'm
certainly not enjoying the car as much as I should be...
- -thanks
again,
- -Bill
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Date:
Thu, 7 Jan 1999 07:13:10 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Fw: Wastegate Actuators?
Bill,
The wastegate actuator
should begin moving at 6.8 PSI. A tool that you can
make yourself will
be helpful in confirming this. I bought a cheap, $14
bicycle pump and
connected the business end up to a hose which tee's to a
pressure
guage. I use it to test all sorts of things ranging from my
actuators
to the entire I/C system. (I also bought some PVC caps that fit
perfectly
inside our I/C hoses which can be clamped on each end of the I/C
run,
allowing the I/C's themselves to be static tested under 20 PSI).
-
-Bob
> I had some things added to my Car by GT alley as they were the
closest and
the only > people I could find that had any experience with
our
cars...Anyway, it wasn't a
> great experience but all being said,
where I am at now is I'm pretty sure,
and
> they're positive I need a
new wastegate actuator...
>
> I can't get over about 11psi with an
HKS evc, even with the hoses they say
should
> make the car run boost
until fuel cut disconnected it maxes at 11...
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Date:
Thu, 7 Jan 1999 07:53:14 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Fw: Wastegate Actuators?
Bill,
I probably could have
been clearer. The wastegate acutator arm will begin
moving when the
pressure in the line connected to the actuator is 6.8 PSI.
You connect the
bicycle pump up to the actuator and pump until the pressure
reaches about 7
PSI. You will see the arm on the actuator start to move.
This can be
done "on car", although the rear one is difficult to get to.
-
-Bob
> The wastegate actuator should begin moving at 6.8 PSI. A
tool
> that you can make yourself will be helpful in confirming
this.
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Date:
Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:48:36 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: Help -
Car won't start?
Brad, thanks very much for the offer. I really
appreciate it. I'll hope to
narrow down the problem tonight. I think I may be
able to get a coil from
NYmaax (locally) to try & see if that's the
problem. Boy, that huge tool box &
all those testers are really coming in
handy. Not that I have any idea what
the heck I'm doing. hehe
Arty 91 VR-4
In a message dated 1/6/99 10:15:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, bbedell@texas.net
writes:
<<
Subj: Team3S: RE: Help - Car won't start?
Date: 1/6/99 10:15:52 PM
Pacific Standard Time
From: bbedell@texas.net (Brad
Bedell)
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Reply-to:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
To:
stealth@starnet.net, stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Arty,
If
you need any parts to "try" on the car, let me know. I have pretty
much
a full upper end of a 91 VR4.
Everything from
the heads up.
> Brad
> >>
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Date:
Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:55:15 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Help - Car won't start?
Arty,
Did you check the output
of the ignition module that fires the coils?
- -Bob
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Date:
Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:20:35 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Has anyone had a
coil go bad?
Just a short survey... I'd like to know if anyone had a coil
go bad? If so,
was it age or mileage?
Thanks Arty 91 VR-4
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Date:
Thu, 7 Jan 1999 12:22:11 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Wastegate actuator pictures
I couldn't resist. Here are
some pictures of my boost tester shown testing
the actuators on some stock
turbos.
http://www.gate.net/~mits/dcp00059.jpg
shows the testing unit with the
optional I/C hose test plug.
http://www.gate.net/~mits/dcp00060.jpg
shows the actuator in the closed
position. This permits boost to
develop.
http://www.gate.net/~mits/dcp00061.jpg
shows the actuator in the open
position. Notice that the arm has moved
to the left slightly. The
wastegate door is now open, allowing exhaust
to go around the turbine wheel.
When the pressure got to about 7 PSI, the
actuator arm moved left about
1/4". If you click on the previous links,
display the pictures with your
browser, then hit <-Back and Forward-> a
few times, you can see position
change. If you can't see the
difference, trust me on this one!
- -Bob
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