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Team3S Digest         Monday, January 4 1999         Volume 01 : Number 064




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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 01:59:32 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: cool air intake idea

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If cool air intake isolated from the engine compartment is what you are
after, check out Brad Bedell's setup.  So far I have seen nothing better for
our cars.

The web site wasn't up so I won't post it.  Maybe Brad can shed some more
light on his installaton.


Regards,

Barry


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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 11:25:25 +0100
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject: Re: Team3S: cool air intake idea

Jim Matthews wrote:
>
> Anyone care to comment on this?  Possible?  Worthwhile?  Crazy?
>
> http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews/intake.html
>
> Thanx...   -Jim


"Barry E. King" wrote:
>
> If cool air intake isolated from the engine compartment is what you are
> after, check out Brad Bedell's setup.  So far I have seen nothing better for
> our cars.
>
> The web site wasn't up so I won't post it.  Maybe Brad can shed some more
> light on his installaton.
>
> Regards,
>
> Barry
>

Thanx for the tip!  Here is the only picture I could find of his custom
intake:

http://lonestar.texas.net/~bbedell/PICS/engine1098.jpg

Not sure what's going on behind the scenes.  I'm afraid that since he
has an aftermarket intercooler in front of his radiator, it is likely
that he is using the stock passenger side intercooler location for his
intake hose.  But I'd love to hear more about this system and what kind
of performance gains were realized, if any.  Brad, are you out there?

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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 09:14:08 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: Team3S: RE: cool air intake idea

- -----Original Message-----
From: Matthews [mailto:matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de]
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 1999 6:20 AM
To: Team 3S
Subject: Team3S: cool air intake idea

Anyone care to comment on this?  Possible?  Worthwhile?  Crazy?

http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews/intake.html

Thanx...   -Jim
================================
Jim...

I really like the front mounted (below the bumper) air scoop, but wouldn't
that necessitate removing the Active Aero assembly? The headlight trick is a
neat one, but seems like a track only approach. I like my headlights, they
help quite a bit in the dark.  :-)

Someone asked about the Bozz Speed strut tower scoops, I know Arty has a set
(but they only work on first gen, unless you're willing to cut your hood).
Keep in mind, they look and work great, but are for exhaust purposes, not
intake. Of course, if you have a way to exhaust the air, it should draw more
in from under the car. Again, the scoop under the bumper would be great.

It also appears there's a way to force air in through the stock intercooler
vents in the bumper (if the stock units have been replaced with a
aftermarket intercooler), but that still leaves the exhaust issue. Brad
Bedell's approach looks neat, but it's not clear where the sheet metal box
is getting it's air. From a vent in the wheel well? That would certainly
pull dirt and water off the tires.

One trick Rich LeRoy has used (hope you don't mind me posting this Rich), is
to remove the rubber seal at the windshield end of the hood. While this is
only 1/4" gap or so, it lets some of that hot air out of the engine
compartment. Seems like this, along with some ingenious intake tricks, is a
good solution.

Finally, has anyone had experience with the carbon fiber hood that Brian (GT
Alley) used to sell? It had a scoop on it. I was wondering if it had a
drain, or filter, that keeps the water and dirt from flowing in along with
the air. Another neat feature of this approach is that the carbon fiber hood
was supposed to weigh seven pounds (versus the stock seventy). That's a very
impressive weight reduction.

Please keep us updated on your experiments.

Looking forward...Chris

"Friends don't let friends ride with me"

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4
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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 11:27:15 -0600
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Team3S: GT Alley CF hood

Chris Winkley wrote:
> anyone had experience with carbon fiber hood Brian (GT
> Alley) used to sell? It had a scoop on it. wondering if had
> drain/filter keeps water/dirt from flowing in
> carbon fiber hood supposed to weigh seven pounds (versus the stock seventy).

I have hood.  Mine is stock/no scoops.  It weighs about 17-18 lbs
actual, while stock is 48 pounds (both weighed by me on same scale) so
lose about 30 lbs only.  Fit not great, about 3mm offset to passenger
side at front edge.  Has stock hoodlatch that I won't trust, I am
putting hoodpins on also.  Looks ok not perfect.
Jack T.
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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 10:51:12 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Plugs

Weird.  The "E" refers to a 19mm seat while the "F" refers to a tapered
seat.  The two do not mix very well and are generally not intercgangeable.
The correct stock plug is the PFR6J-11.

Here's the run-down:

P - projected tip
F - tapered seat
R - resistor
6 - heat range, larger numbers being colder
J - platinum
- -11 refers to the factory preset gap of 0.044".

The P and F are mandatory and dictated by the head design.  Resistor plugs
are pretty much required in a street vehicle as they affect RFI which can be
heard in the stereo and may affect ECU operation.  Contrary to what some
say, a resistor plug in a modern car will not affect adversely ignition
performance.

Each change in heat range is capable of removing roughly 75-100 degrees C of
heat.  The stock heat range is perfect except for highly modified engines or
extended hard running.  A colder plug would be better in those extreme
cases, but likely not more than one range (eg, PFR7J).  Going hotter is
definitely not recommended.

Platinum plugs definitely last longer than copper.  Despite the lore that
copper makes more heat, the fact is that testing shows no difference in
spark power output between copper and platinum up to 6000 rpm or so.  Above
6000 rpm platinum is superior to copper for spark energy output.  The only
reason to use copper is economic - they are typically much cheaper.  They
will have to be gapped much more frequently than platinum plugs since they
degrade much more rapidly.  I therefore always recommend platinum plugs
unless the plug is going into a lawnmower.

You can pick up any pre-gapped plug and regap it -- you should do that
anyway since the factory pre-set can be off by quit a bit by the time it
gets to the consumer.  Ideally get a pre-gapped plug as close as possible to
your desired gap since the electrode can be weakened by excessive movement,
but if done correctly this is typically not a concern.

Hope that helps.


Regards,

Barry


> -----Original Message-----
>
> Hi Team;
>
> A quick pair of questions on plugs.
>
> The manual quotes the NGK number for TT's as PER6J-11. Does anyone know
> if this is the copper or the platinum tip?
>
> I pulled my plugs and found the number PFR6J....is the F desigination a
> hotter plug? And, it does not have any-11 behing it as noted in the
> manual . Any ideas why?
>
> I know Bob has indicated in the past that the copper tips are great and
> recommends them over the pricey platinums. Can you go into this one
> again for me/us Bob...as a refresher?
>
> Best
>
> Darc

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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 21:07:44 +0100
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: cool air intake idea

Chris Winkley wrote:
>
> I really like the front mounted (below the bumper) air scoop, but wouldn't
> that necessitate removing the Active Aero assembly?

Not sure, Stealths have no active aero, and I've never inspected the
system on a VR-4 closely enough to know the answer to this.


> The headlight trick is a
> neat one, but seems like a track only approach. I like my headlights, they
> help quite a bit in the dark.  :-)

Agreed!  On my car, removal of the passenger side headlight module would
leave two nice round holes directly in line with the air intake but
there is still a metal plate that would need to be circumvented.  Still,
with a little preparation, this might be a very easy mod to make at the
track in just a few minutes.

Another point should be made about these scoops regarding ram air
effects.  Ram air sounds like a really simple idea, but apparently it's
not.  A lot of design work goes in to a good ram air system, since most
end up working well only at certain speeds and a poor ram air system can
actually make overall performance WORSE.  If the engine is not inhaling
as much air as is being shoved into the scoop, a high pressure area will
form at the mouth and will push air around the opening rather than
letting it flow inside.  This is discussed in the Honda book I mention
on my web page.  One must determine the maximum air volume demands of an
engine and try to design a system accordingly.  They mention some
strategies that include a kind of blow-off valve that allows air to blow
past and escape the system to avoid an area of high pressure in front of
the scoop.  Just think, we could have TWO BOVs on our cars!!  It would
make the whoosh sound at high speeds AND during shifting!  :-)  That's
what I need, an expensive GT that sounds like it has a tractor trailor
air brake system on the fritz!


> It also appears there's a way to force air in through the stock intercooler
> vents in the bumper (if the stock units have been replaced with a
> aftermarket intercooler), but that still leaves the exhaust issue.

True, but in Brad's system, the air that enters through the scoop exits
through the _engine_ exhaust.  The idea here is not to just let more
cool air enter the engine compartment and then escape somewhere else in
the engine compartment, though that would certaily help reduce under
hood temperatures (at the likely drawback of increased drag). 
As I wrote on my web page, only testing will tell if it is better to
completely isolate the intake system from the engine compartment or to
just provide a good flow of cool outside air.  The latter I would expect
to alleviate the ram air problem I mentioned above.


> One trick Rich LeRoy has used (hope you don't mind me posting this Rich), is
> to remove the rubber seal at the windshield end of the hood. While this is
> only 1/4" gap or so, it lets some of that hot air out of the engine
> compartment. Seems like this, along with some ingenious intake tricks, is a
> good solution.

Some cars actually face the scoop BACKWARDS, drawing air from the high
pressure area at the base of the windshield.  So what happens when the
back of the hood is raised, exactly?  And why did Mitsu seal up the
engine compartment so tightly, anyway?


> Brad Bedell's approach looks neat, but it's not clear where the sheet metal box
> is getting it's air. From a vent in the wheel well? That would certainly
> pull dirt and water off the tires.

Exactly.  I'm hoping he will jump in here and elaborate.  I bet he's
pulling it in from the stock intercooler location.  Not sure about
pulling air in from the wheel well - I seem to recall that this is where
Porsche 911 intercoolers are mounted (wouldn't want that caked with
mud!), and there may be some way to isolate an air intake hose from the
elements while keeping it in an area of high air pressure.

- --
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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 21:31:04 +0100
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject: Re: Team3S: BOV questions

Okay, some final questions.  Sorry for all of the included text, I want
to make sure I have my facts straight.

"Errin D. Humphrey" wrote:
>
> Jim Matthews wrote:
> >
> > 2. Also, has anyone successfully eliminated the HOOT sound commonly
> > experienced by those with FIPKs by replacing the stock BOV with an
> > aftermarket unit?
>
> I'm GLAD that you asked this!  I recently took Hau's Blitz BOV off of
> my car in order to give it to Chris.  Several weeks went by without
> boosting my car because my clutch has been fried.  Now with my
> clutch replaced, I immediately noticed this "hooting" noise, and I have
> been bothered as to what it might be.  The sound is intermittent--as
> you say only at lower boost levels--and it makes the noise whether or
> not I have the AVC-R valve installed (I just reinstalled it the other day).
> I'm pretty sure that the sound wasn't around when I had the Blitz on my
> car, but I can't be 100% sure.

   [ ... ]

> The stock BOV is not really a BOV, per se.  It is better to call it
> a "bypass valve" because that is a more accurate description of what
> it does.  The Blitz BOV that I had on my car utilizes the stock bypass
> valve by being connected to it in sequence.  Like the stocker, it also
> reads post-TB pressure (right before the surge tank).  When I upgrade
> my BOV, I will not go with the Blitz simply because I do not want to
> utilize the stock bypass valve, even if there are some benefits to
> keeping some of the air in the system.  Blitz does seem the BOV of
> choice for Supras, however.  I will probably go with the HKS.

   [ ... ]

> > P.S.- GTAlley's fix for the HOOT sound is to vent the stock BOV to the
> > atmosphere and plug the connection to the intake.
>
> As others have noted, this sounds like a bad idea.  The stocker was
> not designed to work as a BOV.  It was designed to be a bypass
> valve.  I don't think it reads the pre/post-TB pressure differential in
> the same way that an aftermarket BOV does, but I could be wrong.

   [ ... ]

> Roger is right, the stocker leaks.


Okay, it sounds as if the Blitz eliminated the sound in your case.  But
I'm a little confused.  Since the annoying resonance has been attributed
to the stock BOV, how does a system that utilizes the stock BOV
eliminate it?  Is the stock BOV connected to the Blitz instead of to the
intake?  But if venting the stock BOV to the atmosphere and plugging the
intake makes the engine stall and run poorly, then how would this be any
different?  Also, if the stock BOV leaks, then isn't this a weak link in
the chain?  Please advise!  Thanx.

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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 23:17:54 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: BOV questions

> Okay, it sounds as if the Blitz eliminated the sound in your case.  But
> I'm a little confused.  Since the annoying resonance has been attributed
> to the stock BOV, how does a system that utilizes the stock BOV
> eliminate it?

Well, it is related to the FIPK and maybe other intake filters of course !
Replacing the bypass valve with another BOV does usually remove the bypass to
the intake and therefore elimiates any pressure back to the filter system that
cause the HOOOT sound.

> Is the stock BOV connected to the Blitz instead of to the intake?

The last time I saw this was a normal connection of the bypass valve and an y in
the hose that comes down the y-pipe. At this y the Blitz was connected to.

> But if venting the stock BOV to the atmosphere and plugging the
> intake makes the engine stall and run poorly, then how would this be any
> different?

The bypass valve opens as pressure increases in the intake manifold. If boost is
cranked up the valve still opens very early, too early for us and therefore
creating a leak in the y-pipe (to the ambient). This causes the engine to stall
or running poorly for a second as the valve quickly closes when boost goes away
and therefore closes the leak then. Once my mechanic did not close the BOV tube
clamp the thing popped of at 1 bars and caused the engine to die quickly !

>  Also, if the stock BOV leaks, then isn't this a weak link in
> the chain?  Please advise!  Thanx.

No, the hole is small enough not to cause a big leak. The only explanation I
have is that the Blitz was probably set up to open earlier together with the
stock valve, just enough that the sound went away. But then I don't know for
what the stock valve is used for ??

Later, Roger

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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 23:31:07 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Team3S: Diag Tool update, questions ->

This weekend I made a stress test of the components to be sure the memory
storage is able to hold and rewrite the information after many, many runs (two
or three 30 second non-volatile storage space, 8 channels, 8 samples per
second).

Here my questions:

How many 30 sec runs (test, track street, check, or whatever) would you make per
week, month or year ?

I have to know due to the specs of the serial memory devices I have to get.

Also, for O2 readings, would you prefer the screen showing figures :

920mV O2 front
890mV 02 rear

or one graphic (only one O2 sensor at a time) :

920mV O2 Sensor
- ------¦--*---

The values can be updated three or four times per second, enough for our eyes
but not as quick as on a Blitz controller (microcontroller is a little slow)

The runs are stored in the memory and can then be read later via the built-in
RS232 connector. They will be overwritten at the next runs.

Thanks for your help,
Roger

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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 18:12:02 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject: Team3S: EVC-VPC-GCC installation

I sold my radio and CD changer in order to make some room for my HKS stuff
which was hanging off of the lower dashboard.  With about $10 worth of
material purchased at Home Depot and 3 hours work, here is what I came up
with:

http://www.gate.net/~mits/98r030.jpg

http://www.gate.net/~mits/98r031.jpg

- -Bob

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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 15:29:57 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: cool air intake idea

Hey Jim, Chris, Brad.....

Has anyone considered cutting a couple of intake vents in the front air dam and
channeling the air from these to the appropriate locations? A person could maybe even
make it 4 small inlets with the air ducting then available for cooling as well as for
breathing. Some reinforcing would be necessary as the dam (at least on the Stealths) is
pretty flimsy.

On another note, the gills on the side of our cars are totally aesthetic, but  vents
cut  from the engine compartment and channeled to these locations would make them more
than "purty," and like the rear facing hood extractors (from Bozz), funnel hot gases out
of our  tightly sealed compartments.( Just an idea for someone with the equipment.)  If
the hood tower blisters and side gills could be made functional, I believe the
temperature problem would be history.  While I'm at it, does anyone know how we can
instal a tail and wings so we can actually get these things off the ground : )

Best

Darc

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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 18:51:06 -0500
From: "Meyer" <meyer2@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: EVC-VPC-GCC installation

I did this as well, but I retained an Alipne Head unit on top.  I then
mounted an EVC 4, Apex AFC, and an EGT meter in the lower DIN section.  It
was fairly simple.

Matt
www.AcceleratedAccessories.com
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From: Bob Fontana <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
To: 3000/Stealth Technical List <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Sunday, January 03, 1999 6:12 PM
Subject: Team3S: EVC-VPC-GCC installation


>I sold my radio and CD changer in order to make some room for my HKS stuff
>which was hanging off of the lower dashboard.  With about $10 worth of
>material purchased at Home Depot and 3 hours work, here is what I came up
>with:
>
>http://www.gate.net/~mits/98r030.jpg
>
>http://www.gate.net/~mits/98r031.jpg
>
>-Bob
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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 19:45:52 -0500
From: Shawn Dewey <sdewey@dmv.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: EVC-VPC-GCC installation

OK, It has to be asked....what is the red toggle for?
Rocket boosters or your chute deployment for the green beast?


>I sold my radio and CD changer in order to make some room for my HKS stuff
>which was hanging off of the lower dashboard.  With about $10 worth of
>material purchased at Home Depot and 3 hours work, here is what I came up
>with:
>
>http://www.gate.net/~mits/98r030.jpg
>
>http://www.gate.net/~mits/98r031.jpg



- -shawn dewey

'91 Stealth R/T nonturbo 15.426 @ 90.68 (in the happy hands of a new owner!)
'93 3000GT VR4 12.98 @ 107 mph
'91 Talon TSI AWD 13.6 @ 98.8 (the commuter car, yeah right! :)
'95 Talon ESi SCCA Race Car (SSC class)
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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 20:25:59 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: EVC-VPC-GCC installation

The red button is the program selector wired to the VPC EPROM.  Off is
"street" and On is "strip".

- -Bob

> OK, It has to be asked....what is the red toggle for?
> Rocket boosters or your chute deployment for the green beast?

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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 20:32:51 -0500
From: "Bill Miller" <millebi@kw.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Ticking Noise in Dash

If I may add another suggestion to this idea... I suggest changing the bolts to nylon or
plastic bolts if the noise is really bad. Metal bolts will transmit almost as much noise
with rubber washers as without.

Bill
91 TT "Old Red"

On 3 Jan 99, at 1:02, R.G. wrote:

> Yes, same at mine in cold Swiss. I think it is a good idea to isolate the
> solenoid holder plate from the firewall with rubber parts or so. I thought
> someone did this before.
>
> -----------------------
> Roger Gerl, Switzerland
Humpty Dumpty was pushed...
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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 20:39:24 -0500
From: "Bill Miller" <millebi@kw.igs.net>
Subject: Team3S: Bone Heads.. and Parts cost question

Hi Everyone, (Happy New Year while I'm at it).

It seems that someone just had to end my 1998 with a bang (or a thump/crunch as the case
may be). This Twit backed into me on New Year's Eve and I'm wondering if any of you would
know the price to replace the plastic passenger side door trim on a 1991 Stealth TT. I
also have a medium sized dent in the door and I am not sure if the door needs to be
replaced or not, so if anyone of you know the price of a complete door replacement I
would be very appreciative.

Thanks,
Bill
91 TT "Old Red"
Humpty Dumpty was pushed...
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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 19:47:35 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: Bone Heads.. and Parts cost question

Hi Bill;

Are you talking about the lower plastic portion with the "Twin Turbo" on it (AGG), or the
upper thin  piece next to the window? If it's the lower, the Twin Turbo lettering is a
separate add on and in itself is not cheap. It might be worth letting your fingers do some
walking to wrecking yards for starters. I remember a posting at "the squabbling group" some
time "last year"  where a wrecking yard indicated they had a 95 and a 92 they'd sell complete
for $5 G or thereabouts, if my memory is accurate (and usually not). Maybe check there if you
cann't find others. Going to the dealers for parts is a financial maiming, so try the other
route first. I have been checking wreckers here for the odd Stealth I hear about that gets
totaled, but mysteriously they never end up at the wreckers...I suspect off world aliens from
Alpha Centuri (sp) snatch them up!!

Good luck

Darc

Bill Miller wrote:

> Hi Everyone, (Happy New Year while I'm at it).
>
> It seems that someone just had to end my 1998 with a bang (or a thump/crunch as the case
> may be). This Twit backed into me on New Year's Eve and I'm wondering if any of you would
> know the price to replace the plastic passenger side door trim on a 1991 Stealth TT. I
> also have a medium sized dent in the door and I am not sure if the door needs to be
> replaced or not, so if anyone of you know the price of a complete door replacement I
> would be very appreciative.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
> 91 TT "Old Red"
> Humpty Dumpty was pushed...
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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 20:01:05 -0800
From: Rich <rleroy@pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: cool air intake idea

Chris:

Me?  Mind?  Naw .... just remind me the next time we go out for a
booby-burger that you have a tape recorder in yer pocket and a camcorder
set up in the corner (I want 5 copies to give away for gifts, btw).  :-)

This isn't a new trick - someone on the Starnet list suggested it last
year and I pulled the weatherstripping to see if it would work on a hot
day.  I tried it for the first time at Woodburn this summer .... didn't
see any spectacular times, but *did* happen to start crawling up the
backside of certain white VR4 just before the finish line .... another
75' or so and I would've had his butt ... ;-)

One other thing I've had happen (by ACCIDENT), was not shutting the hood
properly between runs, so that the front edge of the hood was lifted
about 1-1/4" or so.  Why the PIR track steward didn't see this and wave
me off, I'll never know.  I found the mistake when I pulled back into
the line-up for another run.  FWIW, this MISTAKE netted me my personal
best time in the 1/4.  I've wondered ever since then what gains I might
see if I could rig a safety latch to keep the hood open that amount
without fearing having it pop open fully along the track.  It was a hot
day, but the engine felt much stronger during that run.  <shrug>  I have
all winter to work on it.

Rich
Emerald Green 94 R/T


Chris Winkley wrote:
 
<snip>
 
> One trick Rich LeRoy has used (hope you don't mind me posting this Rich), is
> to remove the rubber seal at the windshield end of the hood. While this is
> only 1/4" gap or so, it lets some of that hot air out of the engine
> compartment. Seems like this, along with some ingenious intake tricks, is a
> good solution.
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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 23:21:15 -0800
From: "Errin D. Humphrey" <errin@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: BOV questions

wce@bc.sympatico.ca wrote:

> So, I guess the question is, why then HKS (also sequential) over

> the Blitz? Have you used the HKS also?? If so, and readily superior,

> then this is the kind of comparative analysis that saves us all a bunch

> of time and money.

I must admit that my decision to go with the HKS Super Seq. BOV
instead of my old Blitz Super Sound BOV is somewhat arbitrary.  I
prefer the HKS because I simply would rather not use the stock
bypass valve, even if its operation in sequence with the Blitz might
have some benefits.  It's kind of like deciding to add Leonard Slatkin's
production of Mass in B-minor to your CD collection even though
you know that the John Eliot Gardiner version will be closer to
Bach's "intentions" (since Gardiner uses period instruments) and more
"intimate" (relative to Slatkin), as have been his recordings of St.
Matthew's Passion and Verdi's Requiem.  Of course, the best thing
is to have both in one's collection, but I digress.  I doubt I'm making
sense ...

To put it another way, the new HKS SSBOV is flashy, gimmicky,
and somewhat pompous in style.  Its sound is very unique and draws
much attention to itself.  It necessitates the elimination of the stock
bypass valve which leaks at high boost.  Form is a bit higher than
funtion. The Blitz SSBOV is simple, straightforward, and utilizes the old
ways (ie, the stock bypass valve).  Function is high, and benefits might
be had b/c of using the stock b.v., but form falls a bit behind the HKS.
The whooshing sound of the Blitz is strong, yet subdued, and it sounds
not unlike a whale exhaling through its blowhole--perfect for the nature
enthusiast.  The HKS, on the other hand, has more of a mechanical
"chatter" to it--perfect if you want your car to sound high-tech.  The
GReddy sounds somewhere between a Star Wars laser blast and a
chipmunk--perfect for ... uhhh ... I'll pass on this one.

Well I hope this helps, and I welcome any corrections/comments.  :)

- --Errin "In touch with his histone H4 gene" Humphrey
Yellow 94 VR4
Seattle, wA

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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 23:21:20 -0800
From: "Errin D. Humphrey" <errin@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: BOV questions

Matthews wrote:

> Okay, it sounds as if the Blitz eliminated the sound in your case.  But
> I'm a little confused.  Since the annoying resonance has been attributed
> to the stock BOV, how does a system that utilizes the stock BOV
> eliminate it?  Is the stock BOV connected to the Blitz instead of to the
> intake?  But if venting the stock BOV to the atmosphere and plugging the
> intake makes the engine stall and run poorly, then how would this be any
> different?  Also, if the stock BOV leaks, then isn't this a weak link in
> the chain?  Please advise!  Thanx.

Roger wrote some good answers / speculation to your questions.
All I can add is the following:  I personally don't know what exactly
is causing the hooting noise in your car and mine and possibly others'.
Your guess is as good as mine.  :)  What I was trying to say in my
previous post was that when I had the Blitz (which utilizes the stock
bypass valve ( a[incorrectly]ka BOV ) my exhaust was either very
very loud, or my clutch was slipping like crazy at lower rpms, and
thus I can't say ~100%~ that it wasn't making the noise.  Still, I never
noticed it until just recently when I removed the Blitz.  I know that it
doesn't make sense that there wasn't a hoot when I had the Blitz
(since it uses the stock b.v.), but I guess there might be ~some~
crazy explanation out there IF indeed it wasn't making the sound back
then.

Barry, if you're reading this, maybe you could tell us if you ever
remember hearing this "hooting" sound before, and if it ever made
that sound with your Blitz?

Jim, you and I are both using the K&N, so that is a variable we
must eliminate when comparing to others' experiences.  In any case,
we will find out more when you get a chance to throw Roger's HKS
on your car (or if you buy an aftermarket BOV).  I will pick up the
HKS one of these days and will let you know what happens.  In
answer to your query about the Blitz setup, a pipe extends from the
hole in the Y-pipe.  This pipe is actually a y-pipe which is bolted to
the Blitz and hose-clamped to the hose which subsequently connects
to the stock bypass valve.  The b.v. then goes as usual back into the
intake.

*I'm pretty sure I know how the Blitz worked.  If you have the spring
adjusted really tight (Barry has his all the way tightened, and he says you
can order a stronger race spring) you will end up using the stock bypass
valve to a much greater degree.  Even when I had the screw 1/3 of the
way out, I still never heard the Blitz actually blow off.  I really wan't
getting my money's worth.  If you back out the screw, you loosen the
spring (?), thus allowing the Blitz to blow off more boost.  I backed my
screw way out, and I think this is probably ideal in most cases.  If you
allow too much boost back into the intake, you might cause a short but
potentially dangerous lean condition.  It might not be a big deal, but it
is better to have all variables accounted for and play it safe.  Thus, I
will get the HKS so that I can simply "blow it all off."  :)  Ooh baby!

Roger, I've noted your problems adjusting the HKS.  I hope this
doesn't cause a hassle for me.  I don't use cruise control often, and
it is possible that HKS might have eliminated the problem in their
newest available BOV's.  You are using the newer "round" BOV,
correct?  Not the older purple BOV shaped like a megaphone?

Later all!

- --Errin "Just one more week of break please!" Humphrey
Yellow 94 VR4

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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 09:29:04 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: BOV questions

Hey Errin,
> Roger, I've noted your problems adjusting the HKS.  I hope this
> doesn't cause a hassle for me.  I don't use cruise control often, and
> it is possible that HKS might have eliminated the problem in their
> newest available BOV's.  You are using the newer "round" BOV,
> correct?  Not the older purple BOV shaped like a megaphone?

I'm using the "old" Sequential BOV (not Super SBOV), and it works good although
it's plastic and known to crack around the connection. I never had any problems
with it mechanically and sound is absolutely not annoying. It just takes time to
adjust it correctly and I don't want to stop all 5 miles on the Autobahn and
readjust it. HKS says to leave the bolt where it is company installed and this
worked good on stock boost level....but you all know we are running a little
more :)

Another good thing was that the BOV showed me that there was a problem with my
car ! As oil was vented into the intake part the BOV blew off an oil-steam. This
was very noticeable on the dyno and high speeds. Also the BOV output was very
oily. Today, after the new pistons done, there's no more oil in the intake (it
took a while until all went away)

Regards,
Roger

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93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)


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