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Team3S Digest         Sunday, January 3 1999         Volume 01 : Number 063




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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 20:58:08 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: BOV questions

Errin D. Humphrey wrote:

> Lots of BOV stuff here:

                                                <snip>

> > 2. Also, has anyone successfully eliminated the HOOT sound commonly
> > experienced by those with FIPKs by replacing the stock BOV with an
> > aftermarket unit?

I don't have this sound with mine (yet), Errin-Jim...but you are both driving second
generation. Is it possible there is some small mod done to the 94 and up models that
could account for this...or have others with the first generation experienced the same,
and I am just missing out?


                                                  <snip>

> The stock BOV is not really a BOV, per se.  It is better to call it
> a "bypass valve" because that is a more accurate description of what
> it does.  The Blitz BOV that I had on my car utilizes the stock bypass
> valve by being connected to it in sequence.  Like the stocker, it also
> reads post-TB pressure (right before the surge tank).  When I upgrade
> my BOV, I will not go with the Blitz simply because I do not want to
> utilize the stock bypass valve, even if there are some benefits to
> keeping some of the air in the system.  Blitz does seem the BOV of
> choice for Supras, however.  I will probably go with the HKS.

This is interesting Errin...you noted that the Blitz you used was connected in sequence
with the stock valve so that a sequential arrangement is evident, and that it can be
adjusted to vent predominantly with one or the other (or both) as the user so chooses.
So, I guess the question is, why then HKS (also sequential) over the Blitz? Have you
used the HKS also?? If so, and readily superior, then this is the kind of comparative
analysis that saves us all a bunch of time and money.


Best

Darc

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 00:52:51 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Plugs

The platinum plugs last longer.  Modern cars which go up to 100K miles
between tuneups all use them because of their longevity.  Also, note that on
most cars now, the Chiltons manual allocates dealers one to two hours to
change the plugs.    Manufacturers HAD to extend the life of the plugs or
face a lot of customers pissed off because of the labor involved in a
"tuneup".  Believe me, it's not that the manufacturers are trying to save us
money in the cost of plugs.

So, if you don't mind changing plugs, say, every 10K miles, $2 copper plugs
are just as good.  The ones I normally use are NGK BCPR6ES, although I'm
trying out another type at the moment but don't have the numbers handy.

- -Bob

>
> I know Bob has indicated in the past that the copper tips are great and
> recommends them over the pricey platinums. Can you go into this one
> again for me/us Bob...as a refresher?

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 08:01:26 EST
From: TTurboAWD@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Ticking Noise in Dash

   Hello All,
   I am getting a ticking noise from my dash that sounds
like a solenoid rapidly opening and closing. The noise
is independent of engine speed and there is no change
in performance. I remember a thread about this 2-3 years
ago on the Starnet or Dragnet list but I can't find it anywhere.
   Any help would be greatly appreciated.
                 Wayne 3SI #87
                  '91 Stealth TT
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Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 15:20:24 +0100
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject: Team3S: cool air intake idea

Anyone care to comment on this?  Possible?  Worthwhile?  Crazy?

http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews/intake.html

Thanx...   -Jim

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 09:17:10 -0500
From: Brian Danley <bcdmad@concentric.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: cool air intake idea

I found the same thing!  I moved form Florida where it is always around
85-90 degrees with 100% humidity.  Here in Dallas my car runs a lot better!
 The air is more dense/ less humid and colder.  It's a great idea.  Bob,
Jack and others have all had this in the back of there heads and are just
waiting for a good solution (without having to hack the hood apart).
 Cooler air is a big deal... I'm going to Home Depot today...maybe I'll
find something that will work:)

Another thing to look at is if the  engine bay is so tight/sealed you'll
have to have a exit as well as a entrance. forcing air in will greatly
help, but if we could find a way to get it in as well as back out the flow
of cool air would be greater and would dissipate more heat from other
components.  Kind of like the way mustangs have the raised hood toward the
windshield.  With a good  exit this would work even better.  Is it Hau that
has the bonnets with the rear exit?  Who ever does, do you have any #'s on
temp reduction?


Anyone care to comment on this?  Possible?  Worthwhile?  Crazy?

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Thanx...   -Jim

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Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 16:43:05 +0100
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Ticking Noise in Dash

TTurboAWD@aol.com wrote:
>
>    Hello All,
>    I am getting a ticking noise from my dash that sounds
> like a solenoid rapidly opening and closing. The noise
> is independent of engine speed and there is no change
> in performance. I remember a thread about this 2-3 years
> ago on the Starnet or Dragnet list but I can't find it anywhere.
>    Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>                  Wayne 3SI #87
>                   '91 Stealth TT
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I think the post you're thinking of is below.  I have also started
hearing the noise again when it got cold here.

> Subject: Re: Car starting in cold!!
> Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:08:37 -0600 (CST)
> Resent-From: stealth@starnet.net
>        Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:08:30 -0800 (PST)
>        From: wagner@sprynet.com
>    Reply-To: stealth@starnet.net
>          To: stealth@starnet.net
>
>
> It is on the firewall. It's the purge solenoid. Enjoy. Not worth fixing, it's
> just noisy in the cold. Mine's done this since I got the car. There are also
> some other items stashed on the firewall that can get noisy too. If it is the
> purge solenoid, when it gets REALLY cold out, you'll notice it will be on at a
> stop and end while you're idling.
>
>                               Bill Wagner

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:07:37 EST
From: TTurboAWD@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Ticking Noise in Dash

In a message dated 1/2/99 10:35:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de writes:

<<
 I think the post you're thinking of is below.  I have also started
 hearing the noise again when it got cold here.
  >>
******Thanks, I'm glad to hear it won't cause problems.
                      Thanks for the info,
                             Wayne
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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:22:46 -0600
From: "Steven A. File" <sfile@usa.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: cool air intake idea

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Jim,

I think that the fact that cooler air can't get in the engine compartment in
a stock configuration is the number one reason (other than weight) that we
don't see more 3SI cars breaking below the tens. It's not just a cooler air
problem as much as that, no air whatsoever seems to get into what is really
"dead air space" in the engine compartment area without any circulation at
all. This is undoubtedly part of Mitsubishi's "warranty conservatism" (along
with the BOV setup) or a sacrifice of functionality versus aesthetics (or
more likely, both). There's even air gasket material along the top of the
firewall that minimizes the air escaping from this area!

Both my VR-4 and SOHC have significantly more power during the few cool
snaps we have here in Florida. The difference is very dramatic here in north
Florida, because one day the temperature can be 50 degrees with 60% humidity
and the next day 80's with 90% humidity. Even gas mileage seems to be
affected. After all, how can one expect a "fire breathing twin turbo" to not
breathe cooler air to mix into the hot, turbocharged intake without a
detrimental affect on performance?

I think that time spent in this regard is very well spent and that you are
on to something big in the advancement of our cars! Good website by the way!

Steve File
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Anyone care to comment on this?  Possible?  Worthwhile?  Crazy?

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Thanx...   -Jim

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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 01:07:32 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: BOV questions; FPR question

Great reply Jack ! Very good information in there.

I like to double that a good aftermarket BOV is in the upgrade way.

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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 01:23:24 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: BOV questions

I also run the HKS BOV but I must say it's somewhat hard to adjust. Well, it's
just a bolt but there is a thin line between opening too early or too less.

An example: Driving on the Autobahn at around 140km/h with cruise control set
never closes the throttle unless the car runs downhill. The electronic controls
the throttle much smoother than my foot (hehe) and therefore opens the throttle
a little and also close it a little (increases and decreases boost). I now felt
some hesitation when boost is going lower after some increase. I then played
with the screw and I felt a change but it is still not good. At this moment I
can't say if turning the screw in or out helps.

As far as I remember this could be the cause someone created the parallel (yes,
it is not sequential !) setup of the stock and aftermarket BOV as driveability
seems to be better. The stock valve works good at low pressures and the BOV on
upper-stock level and high boosts. Makes sense to me.

This parallelsetup is not possible with the HKS SBOV as it uses an ellbow that
routes the BOV infront of the MAS. This makes the stock valve unusable.

Cheers, Roger

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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 01:02:25 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Ticking Noise in Dash

Yes, same at mine in cold Swiss. I think it is a good idea to isolate the
solenoid holder plate from the firewall with rubber parts or so. I thought
someone did this before.

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 20:11:40 -0500
From: Brian Danley <bcdmad@concentric.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S:IRC

Any word on DSM IRC ?  Did they change servers?


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Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 20:51:41 -0600
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:IRC

Brian Danley wrote:
> Any word on DSM IRC ?  Did they change servers?
> Brian AKA Gammara

Nope, they are still there.  The vr-4 site has lost its bot so have to
create the room or something; doesn't appear when listed last few times
but it's there.
Jack T.
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Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 20:13:32 -0700
From: Tom Wilson <kb7get@cyberhighway.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S:IRC

At 08:11 PM 1/2/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Any word on DSM IRC ?  Did they change servers?
>
>
>Brian AKA Gammara
>#0007  93 vr-4
>
Yup, they moved over to a new one. Depending on what link you used
to connect to it, it might not work for you now.
 Use irc server 209.219.245.12  Port 6667

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 22:34:08 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Engine builder feedback needed

Any good/bad news about either DPR or ELP regarding reliability & experience
building motors for any of us on the list?
Arty 91 VR-4
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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 01:56:06 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Engine builder feedback needed

I have heard horrendous things about ELP's customer (dis)service reminiscent
of...oh nevermind.

DPR definitely knows what they are doing.  They appear to be rather sales
oriented, but technically they have a great reputation.  I walked away from
them solely based on cost.  If only the absolute maximum of extremes will
do, DPR may be a good choice.

Be prepared to mortgage some property.  Their quote to do the heads on my
VR4 was more than what I am paying to have my engine rebuilt locally.


Regards,

Barry

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>
> Any good/bad news about either DPR or ELP regarding reliability &
> experience
> building motors for any of us on the list?
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