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Team3S Digest       Wednesday, December 30 1998       Volume 01 : Number 060




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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:58:27 -0800
From: "Errin D. Humphrey" <errin@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: G-Force ecu on a non-turbo

Bob Fontana wrote:

> If I could put my 2 cents in here...  It seems to me (and I'm sure I'll be
> corrected by 500 people if I'm wrong) that, excluding NOS, the biggest
> single increase in horsepower to the normally aspirated 3.0 liter DOHC motor
> would be achieved by a professional porting and polishing job.  [snip]

> Wouldn't that net between 50 to 75 horsies?

For reference sake, a guy I just met got his '96 Prelude into the high
13's.  Adding intake and exhaust added a small amount of horsepower.
But when he had his heads worked over to Stage VI by DPR, he
dyno'd a gain of 50 horses to the wheels.  The Stage VI head goes
for less than $1000, I think.  Remember that a Prelude's stock 2.2L
4 banger makes 200hp, so its power per displacement ratio is already
higher than a 3000GT SL's.  In other words, I see no reason why a
working over the heads of an SL's 3.0L DOHC V6 wouldn't gain at
least that amount of power.

- --Errin Humphrey

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 23:39:19 -0500
From: Michael Booker <mrbook@gate.net>
Subject: Team3S: Automatic tranny...R.I.P. :-(((((

I think it's dead. As i was heading home from getting my Enkei RPO1's
put on, my car started shifting funny, then it "lost" 4th gear, as it
downshifted into 3rd and wouldn't go back to 4th. Then, the same thing
happened to 3rd, at which point i pulled over and let it sit for a few
minutes. when i started it back up and put it in gear, nothing happened,
it sat motionless. When i checked the fluid, about 2 hours later, it was
at the minimum hot line, but it smelled kinda burnt. I have heard that
this equivilant (sp?) to reading a toe tag. It's dead. Any similar
experiences? What kinda cost is associated with a rebuilt, as a
worst-case scenario? You know, i was really looking forward to my master
card being paid off, so i could get some go-faster goodies, like my
custom ram-air system, but it looks like i might need it to make the car
run. :-((((((((((((((((((

Matt
#311
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 00:18:37 -0800
From: Rich <rleroy@pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Automatic tranny...R.I.P. :-(((((

Michael:

Before you take the car to AAMCO or other money-siphoning outfit, check
to make sure the vacuum line(s) aren't
kinked/broken/loose/disconnected.  Something similar happened to me
years ago in my old Ford wagon, and I tracked it down to a disconnected
vacuum line.  It sounds awfully sudden for the tranny to be toast - they
usually give some indication of dying for a while before the main event.

Rich
Emerald Green 94 R/T


Michael Booker wrote:
>
> I think it's dead. As i was heading home from getting my Enkei RPO1's
> put on, my car started shifting funny, then it "lost" 4th gear, as it
> downshifted into 3rd and wouldn't go back to 4th. Then, the same thing
> happened to 3rd, at which point i pulled over and let it sit for a few
> minutes. when i started it back up and put it in gear, nothing happened,
> it sat motionless.

<snip>
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:00:40 +1100
From: Andrew Clark <chemist1@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Plug Gap

R.G. wrote:
> Regapping the plugs (maybe new ones) - the first thing to do when increasing
> boost !
Actually when I increased the boost on my car (BTW the car has done
85000km) the old plugs were worn done to 0.059!!! Dead set.
Andrew
Australia
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:41:58 -0500
From: "rtetetet" <rtetetet@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Automatic tranny...R.I.P. :-(((((

>Before you take the car to AAMCO or other money-siphoning outfit, check
they usually give some indication of dying for a while before the main
event.

 I've had two go south with no warning, Buick Dual Path(POS) & a Ford E4OD.
The fluid level should not be an issue, but you may have lost a pump or
valving. The burnt fluid is not a good sign becuse taht means you got it hot
and that usually says All new clutches and some internal pieces. I would
still check hoses and connections but you are in for a rebuild to some
extent. You might check with some of the trusted mechanics around you and
see who they would take it to if you don't go the dealer route. I woul check
a dealer or two as they may have the inside track on the problem. I wish you
good luck on this because I hate auto trany repair people, most are crooks.

Ron




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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:18:36 +0100
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Automatic tranny...R.I.P. :-(((((

> Michael Booker wrote:
> >
> > I think it's dead. As i was heading home from getting my Enkei RPO1's
> > put on, my car started shifting funny, then it "lost" 4th gear, as it
> > downshifted into 3rd and wouldn't go back to 4th. Then, the same thing
> > happened to 3rd, at which point i pulled over and let it sit for a few
> > minutes. when i started it back up and put it in gear, nothing happened,
> > it sat motionless.

Rich wrote:
>
> Michael:
>
> Before you take the car to AAMCO or other money-siphoning outfit, check
> to make sure the vacuum line(s) aren't
> kinked/broken/loose/disconnected. [ ... ]


I had a similar experience (also with an older Ford, a highly modified
'76 Bronco 4x4 with a beefed-up C-4 tranny) when the vacuum hose fell
off of the vacuum modulator.  Without understanding what I was doing, I
was able to get home by DRAINING fluid from the transmission (!), which
is a bad thing.  But I must say that the thing at least had ONE gear and
wouldn't just sit motionless...

Good luck! -Jim

- --
Jim Matthews - Wiesbaden, Germany
matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (64 Kbps ISDN)
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews

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K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 70/84% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Bosch Winged Wipers
Magnecore spark plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
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G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph


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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:35:27 +0100
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject: Team3S: BOV questions

Happy New Year!  Three quick questions about blow-off valves:

1. Is the volume of a BOV due to a restriction in the air flow, like a
whistle?  Since the idea behind a BOV is to let the air blow off as
easily as possible to keep the turbos spinning, wouldn't a loud BOV
therefore be undesirable?  Or are we talking minimal impact?

2. Also, has anyone successfully eliminated the HOOT sound commonly
experienced by those with FIPKs by replacing the stock BOV with an
aftermarket unit?  I've been living with the noise for a year and a half
now and am finally sufficiently annoyed that I am considering replacing
the stock BOV, but only if I can be certain that it will do the trick.

3. If replacing the BOV will cure the HOOT sound, has anyone been
successful with an aftermarket BOV that vents back to the intake, like
the stock BOV does (and which is apparently the cause of the
resonance)?  I think some BOVs vent to both the intake and to the
atmosphere depending on pressure, which sounds like a good idea.  I
think the A'PEXi BOV is one such unit but is difficult to mount on an
S3.

Thanx!! -Jim

P.S.- GTAlley's fix for the HOOT sound is to vent the stock BOV to the
atmosphere and plug the connection to the intake.  I asked Extreme
Motorsports to do this when I was back in the states and they refused,
saying it is a bad idea.  Any comments?

- --
Jim Matthews - Wiesbaden, Germany
matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (64 Kbps ISDN)
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews

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Adjustable Active Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 70/84% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Bosch Winged Wipers
Magnecore spark plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
Metal Matrix brake pads, custom braided brake lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, TS (so far): 166mph
G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:45:24 -0600
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Team3S: Harmonic Damper Purchase!

RE:  HARMONIC DAMPENER ORDER--SFI CERTIFIED

I've contacted Dave Buschur about having an SFI-certified (NHRA legal)
harmonic balancer made for our 3000 VR4/Stealth TT's.  The NHRA requires
one for any car below 11 second quartermile.  Though sometimes the
question never arises (fine with me) it is best/safest to follow the
rule, and avoids somebody's BS complaint/getting kicked off track.

Though there may not be MANY cars thinking of going below 11.0, there
must be at least 7-10 of them, and we might as well get a group together
if possible.  Note this IS a REAL HARMONIC DAMPENER, not just a solid
hub insult-your-crank pulley without dampening qualities; and it WILL BE
SFI CERTIFIED.  

Cost should be AROUND $325-350 if similar to the DSM balancer Dave
already makes.  (I make no money off of this, I am just pushing Dave to
do it :)

Send me Email if interested, have one other already!

Jack Tertadian
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:17:50 -0500
From: "Fein, Edward" <fein@strategy.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: ABS light

- ----------- Marc Jaffe wrote: ----------
2)what does the controller box under the the heater vents on the passenger
side control?
I have a squeaky fan and when you take off the plastic to get to it there is
a box
attached?..Hopefully the squeak is gone..this is just a question of what is
it?
- ----------------------------------------

According to Eric Bowden, that's the Air Conditioning controller module.
Make sure you reconnect it or your AC won't work.

   -Ed
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:43:42 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Plug Gap

Andrew Clark wrote:

> Actually when I increased the boost on my car (BTW the car has done
> 85000km) the old plugs were worn done to 0.059!!! Dead set.

Is that "dead set" a dead set of plugs Andrew, or a euphemism for "fair dinkum". "No
shit Sherlock", or any number of other good qualifiers? : ) : )

This singular thread on plug gap for turbos is likely the  most overlooked but important
thing if one is experiencing a miss, drive train shudder at certain rpm's (likely a
miss), or otherwise poor performance, which does not seem to have a  known cause. I know
it was a puzzle for me... until I decided to check the simple things first. How one
manages to overlook the simple and search for the complex, is often an embarrassment.

Best wishes for the New Year to all you on the list

Darcy

92 TT Stealth,  3Si #145.....Victoria, B.C.

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:23:30 -0500
From: "Bill Miller" <millebi@kw.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: BOV questions

Finally ... something I can answer!

GTAlley's answer will cause your car to stall intermittently. What seems to happen is
that when you are running the engine at a normal RPM (2000-3000) and you press the clutch
(and brake of course) to stop, the BOV will open allowing the excess pressure to bleed
off, the only problem is that the computer still thinks that there is a bunch of pressure
there and either cuts the fuel too much or puts in too much fuel. This causes a stall
(usually) or sometimes just a short time of running badly.

I "adjusted" my BOV as GT Alley suggested to you... (my own idea BTW) and it makes a
"cool" WHOOSH sound when upshifting, but it scares the crap out of you when you slow down
and try and turn a corner (after leaving the clutch in and your foot off the gas pedal)
and the engine stalls... makes for interesting steering if you're not ready for it.

I didn't notice any performace increase after doing this. I would definately suggest that
you DON'T do this unless you have some other modifications that may cure the stall
problem. (Old Red is bone stock)

Bill
91 TT "Old Red"

On 30 Dec 98, at 17:35, Matthews wrote:

> Happy New Year!  Three quick questions about blow-off valves:
>          <SNIP>
>
> Thanx!! -Jim
>
> P.S.- GTAlley's fix for the HOOT sound is to vent the stock BOV to the
> atmosphere and plug the connection to the intake.  I asked Extreme
> Motorsports to do this when I was back in the states and they refused,
> saying it is a bad idea.  Any comments?
>
> --
> Jim Matthews - Wiesbaden, Germany

Humpty Dumpty was pushed...
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