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December 20 1998 Volume 01 : Number
052
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Date:
Sat, 19 Dec 1998 14:08:24 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: AWD on ice (very long)
> > Don't tell me this ... AWD rules
... but in turns, whooo !
>
> What do you mean by that Roger?
AWD is good on ice?
>
> I was in New Jersey a couple of winters
ago. I had Goodyear GSC 275x40x17
> tires. They absolutely
STUNK on snow and ice. Even at 10 MPH, if I lightly
> applied the
brakes, the car would slide for 50 or 60 yards. Lucky I didn't
>
crash into anything or end up in the ditch. I assume that I needed
snow
> radials? Driving lessons?
I just came home from Munich
and had to drive through the forest close to my
hometown. Infront of me was a
car only doing about 50km/h where I normally drive
around 100km/h. I then
started to overtake him and when I hit the gas I felt how
the rear started to
swing out. But very fast the power was transfered and I felt
the grip comming
back from the front. Of course I had to steer against the way
the car acted
but it was more funny than dangerous. I have the german snow
radials from
Continental on the stock wheels (235/45-17). On normal streets the
understeer
into a curve and oversteering in the curve is much more noticeable
and I
always have to change my driving style in winter (sure, hehe). On
icey
streets they are very good as it seems that the threads are well
designed. Also
on snow the traction is ok for this huge winter-tire size
(original made for
Porsche, M3 and Mercedes AMG), much better than the
Uniroyals I had before.
Alsdo hydroplaning is not that critical as it was
with earlier tires.
For now I don't speak of braking :)
I took
both my cars to the driving school this year where we have a special
gliding
street. With the Camaro I had soooo much trouble to make the course
savely
without hitting an orange plastic thing (ahem, don't know the name ?).
We
have two different gliding streets, one is bone flat and the other is a
curve
and hangs out only a few degrees. The Z28 immediatly flipped out at the
rear and
the oversteer was very hard to be controlled. Even on the flat
street the Z
always tended to brake out in the rear. Of course, the big
tourque, weight and
RWD where a problem here. On the curve course it was not
to bad as the car only
broke loose to one side and I could manage the
situation savely. I had to use
this experince on the Autobahn with 10cm of
fresh snow and frozen bridge. It
safed the life of the Camaro for sure
!
The 3k handeld much better and was very neutral on the flat course.
When I made
a fast reaction with the steering wheel the car immediatly turned
the back to
the the other side. Stepping slightly onto the gas with steering
only a little
(very important !) to the other side brought me back to the
desired line. Also a
Cherokee and a Range Rover made their job very good too.
The badiest car was ...
a F355. With its concept the car has it's turning bas
in the middle of the car
and once it runned out of the line the driver had no
chance to get it back. It
was funny to see a Ferrary spinning 4 times. Also a
Subaru AWD had problems as
it seemed that his AWD was locked in some way. We
increased speed more and more
to see where the car started to change its
behaivour and the 3K started to
understeer very quick with only a little more
speed. But with only a little
steering the wheels where able to have some of
the grip that lasted without
going into gliding. When the front went off, we
had to play with the clutch and
the brake to get it back. Nedless to say that
I turned many times too until I
managed it more or less. On the course with
the turn. The 3K acted the same way.
When I was too fast, the car
understeered havely and I was able to get it back
by pressing the clutch and
trying to brake and steering into the curve. When I
was slow and hit the gas
... the whole car went out the track. No understeer as
with FWD and no
oversteer as with RWD, just the whole car runned sideways out.
This was
interesting as I expected that the 55% on the rear will give me
some
oversteer tha I can handle. No way. When an AWD car brakes loose in the
front
and the rear ... just hit the brakes. I then tried to press the clutch
and
giving more steer but the front wheels glided and I was not of much luck.
The M3
and the F355 as well the Jag (with traction control) made it good. Me
too, but
it took much longer :)
Braking is another story. The winter
tires are definitely better on the cold
streets as they stay softer on the
lower temperatures. On wet/icey streets as
well as on snow. But if the
conditions are bad (and they can be very quick in or
after one curve) then
only hitting the brakes and steering a little is the way
that works. If
steering too much the front wheels start to glide with or without
ABS (I
pulled the fuse to check out). The rule is trying to keep the fronts
having
always some grip (there's always a little left). Then the ABS can do
it's
work good and you'll be somewhat safer as you'll be able to go away
from
trouble. In braking, the weight of the cars and the condition of the
tires are
very important. The worst car was a Mustang with somewhat worn
summer tires, the
best car was an older BMW 318i that was very controllable
even without ABS, no
traction control. But he had small, good winter tires
with a good tread on the
shoulder. We gave the driver a big thumbs up
!
The rule is to have the appropriate tires for the right season. But
this all
does not help if your too fast. As you said 10mph can be too fast. I
was in 2nd
gear at 1600 and the car just wanted to show me the opposite
street. For the
experience it's very good to have this tested on a small
course with gliding
streets and curve-distance measuring with the help of an
expert. I highly
recommend such classes for EVERY driver !
Last but
not least a short story about the woman that drove a Saab convertible.
"It
MUST handle good on snow as it comes from nothern Europe" she said in
the
morning. "My car can't do this..." she said 2hs later. The instructor
took her
car drove through the course like an animal and came back. The lady
had no more
blood in her face looked at the car with almost burnt tires and
said "Never
treat my car like this".... But she did too at the end of the day
:)
Take care and drive safe,
Roger
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Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo
(Animale Rosso)
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Date:
Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:30:20 -0500 (EST)
From: JEEPers <fxc9364@megahertz.njit.edu>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: battery
Is this the Exide one?????
On
Fri, 18 Dec 1998 wce@bc.sympatico.ca
wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
My headlights are noticably dimmer at idle. If I blip the
throttle,
>>> they brighten up and then gradually dim back
down. The car still turns
>>> over nice and strong, but I
can't help but wonder if my original 1994
>>> battery is on its last
legs.
>>
>>Jim, this sounds as if it might be alternator
rather than battery. My battery just
>>wouldn't hold much of a charge
when it was on it's last legs, and if I let the car sit a
>>few days,
it wouldn't be able to turn it over. In other vehicles, I have found
that
>>dimming of headlights usually involved the charging system
(alternator) which in turn
>>led to battery failure/discarge. Have that
checked as well. As for batteries...I went
>>with the NASCAR heavy duty
sucker (heavier plates etc) and so far it has been
absolutely
>>great...made for race
cars!
>>
>>Best
>>
>>Darc
>>
>>For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>>
Frank
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Date:
Sat, 19 Dec 1998 08:27:18 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: battery
Frank;
Yep, it's Excide ... EXIDE NASCAR SELECT
835...race proven, 84 month total warranty, 2 year
free replacement. Thus
far, a real good battery....but then they all seem great when new. If I
have
any problems I will post on it, but I don't anticipate any with the developement
and
testing that was done on it.
Best
Darc
92 TT
Stealth 40 k kms, #145
JEEPers wrote:
> Is
this the Exide one?????
>
> On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 wce@bc.sympatico.ca wrote:
>
>
>>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
>
>>>
> >>> My headlights are noticably dimmer at
idle. If I blip the throttle,
> >>> they brighten up and
then gradually dim back down. The car still turns
> >>>
over nice and strong, but I can't help but wonder if my original 1994
>
>>> battery is on its last legs.
> >>
> >>Jim,
this sounds as if it might be alternator rather than battery. My battery
just
> >>wouldn't hold much of a charge when it was on it's last
legs, and if I let the car sit a
> >>few days, it wouldn't be able
to turn it over. In other vehicles, I have found that
> >>dimming of
headlights usually involved the charging system (alternator) which in
turn
> >>led to battery failure/discarge. Have that checked as well.
As for batteries...I went
> >>with the NASCAR heavy duty sucker
(heavier plates etc) and so far it has been absolutely
>
>>great...made for race cars!
> >>
>
>>Best
> >>
> >>Darc
> >>
>
>>For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
>>
>
>
Frank
>
-JEEPers-
>
"Kung-Fu
Forrest"
>
> MY WEB
PAGE IS UP AT http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Canyon/6045/
>
>
"Jeep is America's only real sports car" Mr. Enzo
Ferrari
>
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
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Date:
Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:33:52 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Team3S:
Merry Christmas
Yo Team
The very best of the season to all
you Stealthaholics out there. Try
not to mix spirits and driving, and if you
do, don't drive.
Darc
admin, Team 3S
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Date:
Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:15:09 -0500 (EST)
From: JEEPers <fxc9364@megahertz.njit.edu>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: battery
I had "blew apart" 2 Ac-Delco battery on my mom's
Cherokee. The acid
started leaking out the side terminal even though
the Jeep uses top
posts. I plan to switch to the Exide and get a new
alternator since I
already had the starter changed on my momo's
cherokee.
ob 3KGT: The Ac-Delco on my bro's VR-4 is still good and
running strong.
On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 wce@bc.sympatico.ca
wrote:
>>Frank;
>>
>>Yep, it's Excide ... EXIDE
NASCAR SELECT 835...race proven, 84 month total warranty, 2 year
>>free
replacement. Thus far, a real good battery....but then they all seem great when
new. If I
>>have any problems I will post on it, but I don't anticipate
any with the developement and
>>testing that was done on
it.
>>
>>Best
>>
>>Darc
>>
>>92
TT Stealth 40 k kms, #145
>>
>>JEEPers
wrote:
>>
>>> Is this the Exide
one?????
>>>
>>> On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 wce@bc.sympatico.ca
wrote:
>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>
>>> >>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >>> My headlights are noticably dimmer at
idle. If I blip the throttle,
>>> >>> they brighten
up and then gradually dim back down. The car still turns
>>>
>>> over nice and strong, but I can't help but wonder if my original
1994
>>> >>> battery is on its last legs.
>>>
>>
>>> >>Jim, this sounds as if it might be alternator
rather than battery. My battery just
>>> >>wouldn't hold much
of a charge when it was on it's last legs, and if I let the car sit
a
>>> >>few days, it wouldn't be able to turn it over. In
other vehicles, I have found that
>>> >>dimming of headlights
usually involved the charging system (alternator) which in turn
>>>
>>led to battery failure/discarge. Have that checked as well. As for
batteries...I went
>>> >>with the NASCAR heavy duty sucker
(heavier plates etc) and so far it has been absolutely
>>>
>>great...made for race cars!
>>> >>
>>>
>>Best
>>> >>
>>>
>>Darc
>>> >>
>>> >>For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>>>
>>
>>>
>>>
Frank
>>>
-JEEPers-
>>>
"Kung-Fu
Forrest"
>>>
>>>
MY WEB PAGE IS UP AT http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Canyon/6045/
>>>
>>>
"Jeep is America's only real sports car" Mr. Enzo
Ferrari
>>>
>>> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>>
>>
>>
>>For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>>
Frank
-JEEPers-
"Kung-Fu Forrest"
MY WEB PAGE IS UP AT http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Canyon/6045/
"Jeep
is America's only real sports car" Mr. Enzo Ferrari
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Date:
Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:49:54 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Looking for a used VPC
> I need a used VPC head unit.
Actually, I just need the main circuit board
> if that's all you
have. I was playing around with mine and accidentally
> toasted
it.
Bob, I don't have any board around but I have the VPC control unit
lying around
open if you'd like to compare anything that mybe needs to be
replaced.
Sorry, this is maybe not of much help.
Roger
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-----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo
(Animale Rosso)
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