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Date:
Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:39:03 -0500
From: RPM Motorsports <rpmmotorsport@adelphia.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Re: Testing
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Date:
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From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Re: Testing
Sure is...
Welcome RPM... We just don't make
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about our cars... If you want
to catch up, there are a ton of archives on
our temp web page (URL
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Date:
Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:27:10 -0500
From: Brian <bcdmad@concentric.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Poss. shop(reply)
> If you need some practice, I'd
be glad to volunteer! --
>-Jeff Crabtree
> '91
Stealth R/T Turbo(#499)
> '93 Wrangler 4.0L
Sport
Me too. I would love to take my car to s shop that knows MY
car. If your
gunna do well though you'll have to do all cars ... but
that doesn't mean
you can't be a Well Know Tuner of Mits and
Toyota's.
One other tip... Don't rag on the cars people bring in.
Have the owner
take you for a preformance test drive. Makes him fell better
and the
liabilty off you.
93 VR-4
# 0007
Tampa/Orlando FL
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slowest"
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Date:
Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:22:25 -0500
From: "Ron-a-roid" <rtetetet@email.msn.com>
Subject:
Team3S: shifter alignment
Is there any possibility that the shifters in
the 3k is a possible cause of
some of the trany failures? I've not been
real confident in the feel of the
engagement of the shifter in my 96
VR4, especially in 3rd where if you
exert
a small amount of rearward
pressure, you can feel the gears not fully
engaged. It almost wants to
pop out of gear. Have you fooled with shifter
adjustment in your cars
to any point?
Ron
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Date:
Wed, 18 Feb 1998 07:30:54 +0100
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Poss. shop(reply)
How about guaranteed work? I try to
avoid the dealer like the plague,
but the one thing they DO offer is a
limited warantee, usually a
year/10,000 miles. When you're talking
about the timing belt, clutch,
brakes, or any other major work, I usually
think twice before going to
an independent shop for just this reason.
Of course in the case of GT
Alley, had they done any work to my car, a
warantee woulnd't mean
anything now that they're defunct...
Also, I
second the notion of a good web page (with PRICES) and would add
responsive
Email feedback (I'm not going to call the States from
Germany) and fast
shipping to the list.
Good luck!
-Jim
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Date:
Sat, 19 Dec 1998 01:34:32 -0800
From: "Errin D. Humphrey" <errin@u.washington.edu>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: RE: Possible new shop
Brad,
You are certainly getting
a wealth of useful advice. I have
only a couple small suggestions to
add:
1) Establish a solid presence at the local import track
events.
In other words, put together some fast cars that agree to
be
sponsored by your shop. This always gains my respect.
It
will also contribute to the "word-of-mouth" effect, as well as
make for
good advertising material.
2) Set up a bulletin board for used
parts. Just make sure to
have a disclaimer for any liability for
sales/trades made between
customers.
3) One word:
Cleanandopenparkingspace. There are a couple
shops that I ~never~ go to
because the parking is a joke.
Good luck!
- --Errin
Humphrey
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Date:
Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:30:09 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: shifter alignment
Yes! I have the same unsure feeling
in mine. I spent some time looking at
it the other day and came to the
realization that the shift knob ends up in
the same position in 4th as it is
in 2nd. When I put it in 4th, the knob
returns to the 2nd gear
position. No wonder I have difficulty getting into
4th during more
"spirited" driving! The same thing, to a lesser extent, is
true with
1st and 3rd. A shorter throw would exacerbate the problem.
I'm
thinking about going back to the stock shifter.
I have not fooled
with the shifter adjustment, although there *are* a couple
of turnbuckles
that allow you to adjust the overall length of the cables.
-
-Bob
> Is there any possibility that the shifters in the 3k is
a
possible cause of some of the trany failures? I've not been real
confident
in the feel of the engagement of the shifter in my 96 VR4,
especially in 3rd
where if you exert a small amount of rearward pressure, you
can feel the
gears not fully engaged. It almost wants to pop out of gear.
Have you fooled
with shifter adjustment in your cars to any point?
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Date:
Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:28:39 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: shifter alignment
Bob, Ron, et all;
Perhaps feedback to
Chrysler or Getrag might be in order on this. I have noticed less
than
optimal shifting with mine from the outset, but assumed it was standard
without
questioning possible long term effects. Jack, do you still have an
avenue with Getrag to
send feedback??
Darc
Bob Fontana
wrote:
> Yes! I have the same unsure feeling in mine. I
spent some time looking at
> it the other day and came to the realization
that the shift knob ends up in
> the same position in 4th as it is in
2nd. When I put it in 4th, the knob
> returns to the 2nd gear
position. No wonder I have difficulty getting into
> 4th during more
"spirited" driving! The same thing, to a lesser extent, is
> true
with 1st and 3rd. A shorter throw would exacerbate the problem.
I'm
> thinking about going back to the stock shifter.
>
> I
have not fooled with the shifter adjustment, although there *are* a
couple
> of turnbuckles that allow you to adjust the overall length of the
cables.
>
> -Bob
>
> > Is there any possibility that
the shifters in the 3k is a
> possible cause of some of the trany
failures? I've not been real confident
> in the feel of the engagement of
the shifter in my 96 VR4, especially in 3rd
> where if you exert a small
amount of rearward pressure, you can feel the
> gears not fully engaged.
It almost wants to pop out of gear. Have you fooled
> with shifter
adjustment in your cars to any point?
>
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Date:
Fri, 18 Dec 1998 19:16:18 +0100
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject:
Team3S: battery
Quick question...
My headlights are noticably
dimmer at idle. If I blip the throttle,
they brighten up and then
gradually dim back down. The car still turns
over nice and strong, but
I can't help but wonder if my original 1994
battery is on its last
legs. I'm also wondering how much of a role the
battery plays at
high-rpm driving. If my battery is weak, is it causing
weak spark and
robbing the engine of power? This was the case on my old
crotch rocket
and I'm curious if the same is true in this case.
Finally, batteries were
discussed in some recent posts. I'd appreciate
suggestions on what I
should look into if it is in fact time to replace
mine.
Thanx!
-Jim
P.S.- The "black ice" is absolutely TERRIBLE around
here. Time to take
it easy for a while...
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Date:
Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:25:52 -0500
From: "Fein, Edward" <fein@strategy.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Possible new shop
A lot of good points have already been
mentioned, I figure I'll toss out
another idea or two, along with some honest
opinions on my two favorite
shops:
- - What draws me is proof that the
shop *knows* my car. I go to Extreme
Motorsprts because they're one of the
two best DSM tuners in the country,
and they also specialize in the 3000GT
which is a similar car. I like Nexus
becuase I've seen Mike Ma's project VR-4
there. So if a customer comes in
with a 3S or DSM, show them your car - your
knowledge of the car and
excitement for it will help build trust with the
customer. Similarly, if
someone brings you an MR2, have a notebook of pics of
your old MR2 and its
mods to show them.
- - The only people I want
working on my car are ones who *care* about it. I'm
sure the mechanics at
Extreme Motorsports are much more experienced and
knowledgable than the guys
at Nexus Motorsports. But I still prefer taking
my car to Nexus because they
care about my vehicle and treat it right. At
Extreme, they've got a couple
guys who are way overzealous with the airgun,
if you know what I
mean.
- - When you're starting up a shop, offer people amazing deals.
Work for free
if necessary. Your first couple of clients will be the most
important in
spreading the word around that your shop even exists. I think
Chien did an
amazing job getting Nexus off the ground - he worked with
several local
people off the starnet list, offerring amazing prices. He
showed up at the
Gathering with K&N's at a price so low he sold a massive
pile of them in
minutes. And people spread the word for him very quickly.
When he first
opened his doors, business was slow, because few people knew
about his shop.
But he offered some great deals to get the word out, and
within months, he
was booked solid.
- - Organize events. Hold a
Texas Gathering at your shop. Work with local
clubs and organizations.
Organize trips to dragstrips and speedways.
Promote, promote, promote. The
first big hurdle is to get the word out that
you exist. Once people know
you've got a shop, they'll start checking you
out - the second step is
convincing them of your quality.
Best of
luck!
-Ed
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Date:
Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:32:41 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: battery
>
>
> My headlights are noticably dimmer
at idle. If I blip the throttle,
> they brighten up and then
gradually dim back down. The car still turns
> over nice and strong,
but I can't help but wonder if my original 1994
> battery is on its last
legs.
Jim, this sounds as if it might be alternator rather than battery.
My battery just
wouldn't hold much of a charge when it was on it's last legs,
and if I let the car sit a
few days, it wouldn't be able to turn it over. In
other vehicles, I have found that
dimming of headlights usually involved the
charging system (alternator) which in turn
led to battery failure/discarge.
Have that checked as well. As for batteries...I went
with the NASCAR heavy
duty sucker (heavier plates etc) and so far it has been
absolutely
great...made for race cars!
Best
Darc
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Date:
Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:45:45 -0800
From: Ken Middaugh <middaugh@omega.gat.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Poss. shop(reply)
My 2 HP:
I do not mind paying a
premium hourly rate if the quality and expertise
deserve it. However, I
expect that that expertise will allow the job to
be done quicker than the
"book" estimate and with higher quality. One
thing I can't stand is
getting a book quote for X hours, they spend X/2
hours performing the job,
but they still bill me for X hours. I'd
rather pay a higher hourly rate
for actual hours worked than pay any
rate for hours not actually worked. I
don't like getting reamed. I
respect fairness and honesty above all
else. A close second for me is
quality.
- --
Ken
Middaugh
General Atomics
San Diego
(619) 455-4510
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Date:
Fri, 18 Dec 1998 21:52:59 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: battery
Jim, maybe you remember that my 1993 battery just died
two weeks ago. The lights
never got dimmed but it was much harder to get the
car running from day to day
(over 3 days until 0 !). The battery was charged
by 3/4 but making a test with
80Amps load the voltage dropped below 6 Volts
... eof ! My dealer did the test
and since I have the new Fortis batt (damn
expensive here !) I've no problems
anymore ;-)
> P.S.- The "black
ice" is absolutely TERRIBLE around here. Time to take
> it easy for
a while...
Don't tell me this ... AWD rules ... but in turns, whooo
!
Cheers, Roger
- -----------------------
Roger Gerl,
Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
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Date:
Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:21:20 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject:
Team3S: AWD on ice
Hi,
> > P.S.- The "black ice" is
absolutely TERRIBLE around here. Time to take
> > it easy for a
while...
>
> Don't tell me this ... AWD rules ... but in turns,
whooo !
What do you mean by that Roger? AWD is good on
ice?
I was in New Jersey a couple of winters ago. I had Goodyear
GSC 275x40x17
tires. They absolutely STUNK on snow and ice. Even
at 10 MPH, if I lightly
applied the brakes, the car would slide for 50 or 60
yards. Lucky I didn't
crash into anything or end up in the ditch.
I assume that I needed snow
radials? Driving lessons?
-
-Bob
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Date:
Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:35:10 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: battery
Jim...
My experience has been that dim lights
at idle (that come back up under
throttle) is related to the battery. It can
also be related to the charging
system, but that should be less likely. One
way is to check the voltage
going to the battery. Should be at least 13.5
vdc. Another way is the old
fashioned acid tester that you can buy at most
parts stores for a couple
bucks. Most effective is a diagnostic check by a
battery shop. The can tell
you if it's the plates, the electrolyte, or the
charging system.
BTW...the FIRST thing I do is pull the cables and clean
the terminals. You'd
be surprised how many times the problem is caused by
corrosion between the
two surfaces.
Now, as for the battery, I just
put in a Predator dry cell battery (thanks
to Hau). It weighs less than 10
pounds, takes up less than half the space of
the stock battery and is
maintenance free. If you need some extra real
estate under the hood, think
about this option.
Looking forward...Chris
"Friends don't let
friends ride with me"
1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4
-
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthews [mailto:matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de]
Sent:
Friday, December 18, 1998 10:16 AM
To: Team 3S
Subject: Team3S:
battery
Quick question...
My headlights are noticably dimmer at
idle. If I blip the throttle,
they brighten up and then gradually dim
back down. The car still turns
over nice and strong, but I can't help
but wonder if my original 1994
battery is on its last legs. I'm also
wondering how much of a role the
battery plays at high-rpm driving. If
my battery is weak, is it causing
weak spark and robbing the engine of
power? This was the case on my old
crotch rocket and I'm curious if the
same is true in this case.
Finally, batteries were discussed in some recent
posts. I'd appreciate
suggestions on what I should look into if it is
in fact time to replace
mine. Thanx!
-Jim
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Date:
Fri, 18 Dec 1998 21:52:59 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: battery
Jim, maybe you remember that my 1993 battery just died
two weeks ago. The lights
never got dimmed but it was much harder to get the
car running from day to day
(over 3 days until 0 !). The battery was charged
by 3/4 but making a test with
80Amps load the voltage dropped below 6 Volts
... eof ! My dealer did the test
and since I have the new Fortis batt (damn
expensive here !) I've no problems
anymore ;-)
> P.S.- The "black
ice" is absolutely TERRIBLE around here. Time to take
> it easy for
a while...
Don't tell me this ... AWD rules ... but in turns, whooo
!
Cheers, Roger
- -----------------------
Roger Gerl,
Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
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Date:
Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:38:03 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Looking for a used VPC
I need a used VPC head unit.
Actually, I just need the main circuit board
if that's all you have. I
was playing around with mine and accidentally
toasted it.
Please
RTP.
- -Bob
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Date:
Fri, 18 Dec 1998 19:37:35 -0500
From: "Bill Miller" <millebi@kw.igs.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: AWD on ice
Your problem wasn't your driving. It was your tires.
Wide tires are mostly useless on ice
and snow. You need a small contact
patch to concentrate the mass of your car for
traction. I use 225/45's in
the winter and would go to 205's if I could get reasonable
wheels.
275's I would characterize as "Skiis".
Bill
91 TT
"Old Red" -- Just been driven in this year's first icy weather today!
On
18 Dec 98, at 16:21, Bob Fontana wrote:
> Hi,
>
> >
> P.S.- The "black ice" is absolutely TERRIBLE around here. Time
to
> > > take it easy for a while...
> >
> > Don't
tell me this ... AWD rules ... but in turns, whooo !
>
> What do
you mean by that Roger? AWD is good on ice?
>
> I was in New
Jersey a couple of winters ago. I had Goodyear GSC 275x40x17
>
tires. They absolutely STUNK on snow and ice. Even at 10 MPH, if
I
> lightly applied the brakes, the car would slide for 50 or 60
yards. Lucky
> I didn't crash into anything or end up in the
ditch. I assume that I
> needed snow radials? Driving
lessons?
>
> -Bob
Humpty Dumpty was pushed...
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Date:
Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:40:16 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Team3S list announcement
Howdy folks...
This list, which
we've called Team3S, was formed by seven of us who wanted a
list devoted to
technical discussions about Mitsubishi 3000GTs and Dodge
Stealths. There's
been some question about whether this is an "open" or
"closed" list and
whether people can join by invitation only. The answer to
those questions are
"open" and "no", respectively.
However, there is a list of rules which
were developed by the seven of us.
These rules (and the Team3S archives) can
be found at:
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
Please
review the rules. Joining the Team 3SI list indicates acceptance of
these
rules and your willingness to abide by them. You may (or may not)
agree with
some (or all) of them, but if you want to be part of this list
you have to
agree to live by them.
While we are fortunate enough to have collected
most of the worlds 3S
technical experts on this list, we have no intention of
excluding those who
are new to their vehicles and want to learn more. We
merely intend to keep
the signal to noise ratio very high. We don't feel bad
if there are only one
or two posts per day, and we don't feel the need to
fill the vacuum with
other noise. For those who want to have social
discussions, flame wars, or
non-technical 3S discussions, pursue them
privately or on another list.
For those of you who may not know the
seven of us, we are (in alphabetical
order):
Bob Forrest, Chris
Winkley, Darcy Gunnlaugson, Jim Matthews, Mikael Akesson,
Rich LeRoy, and
Roger Gerl.
You can call us the List Administrators, the List Moderators,
the Moderation
Board, or anything else you'd like. We've been here for three
months, have
grown to over eighty subscribers, and we're extremely pleased
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success of our list. Feel free to invite others to join. Direct them
to the
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questions
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THANKS!!!
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Date:
Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:34:57 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: battery
Hey Jim;
I refected a bit more on the battery
question, and am inclined to agree with Chris, and
back off on my initial
tact. If the alternator is going it will start to impact on
driving at higher
rpm's as well, showing a drain on the battery particulary with night
driving.
. It will start showing trouble, however, as you described, at low
rpm's.
I'd still check the alternator (and the clean the battery
connections), as well as
insure you have a good ground. When my battery
went, it was showing a green charged
"eye", as if it was still good, but
would not hold a charge if the car sat two or three
days. This feature is
unreliable on the newer batteries.
Darc
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