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Date:
Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:48:10 -0800
From: Ken Middaugh <middaugh@omega.gat.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: none
Zentelis none wrote:
>
> What's the best
place/way to find a '94 R/T TT for sale? I've been
> searching all over
the net and the only one I found for sale was on
> Rhode Island and it's
not even a TT. It's really quite frustrating ;)
> Anybody have any
suggestions? After all, I'd like to join in on some of
> the mailing list
conversations, not just read everything (including 1/4
> mile times)
thinking "I really wish I had a stealth right now". Thank ya
> :)
>
oh, if it's relevant, I won't be buying one this week or anything, I
>
just want a place to start looking so i can buy one in the next few
>
months.
Check out http://www.classifieds2000.com.
They usually list over 40
VR4's nationwide at any given time.
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General Atomics
San Diego
(619) 455-4510
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Date:
Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:14:31 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: used TT
Zentelis...
I found mine through the Auto
Trader website. I was looking for a specific
year, specific color, low miles
and, of course, the lowest possible price.
That was eighteen months ago and I
had spent four months looking locally.
Finally used the web and it took me a
couple months to find one. Funny you
should mention Rhode Island, that's
where mine finally showed up. Flew out
to inspect it, make a deal. Took six
weeks to get it shipped out here.
Probably couldn't have found one farther
away, but it was worth the search.
Their site is:
http://www.traderonline.com/auto/index.shtml
Good
luck!!!
Looking forward...Chris
"Friends don't let friends ride
with me"
1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Zentelis none [mailto:zentelis@hotmail.com]
Sent:
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 10:43 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Team3S: none
What's the best place/way to find a '94 R/T TT for sale?
I've been
searching all over the net and the only one I found for sale was
on
Rhode Island and it's not even a TT. It's really quite frustrating ;)
Anybody have any suggestions? After all, I'd like to join in on some of
the mailing list conversations, not just read everything (including 1/4
mile times) thinking "I really wish I had a stealth right now". Thank ya
:)
oh, if it's relevant, I won't be buying one this week or anything, I
just want a place to start looking so i can buy one in the next few
months.
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Date:
Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:21:49 -0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S: GT
Alley removed from list...
Due to his allegedly improper (and probably
illegal) business practices with
at least two of our members, The GT Alley
AKA GTAlley AKA Brian Fuentes AKA
Charlie Hupp Race Cars AKA Charlie Hupp AKA
Portmasters is hereby removed
from the Team3S list, and is hereby permanently
banned, effective
immediately.
Bob Forrest
Admin,
Team3S
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Date:
Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:38:07 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: GT Alley removed from list...
Bob;
I'm glad you're right
on top of this shit. At the outset you indicated that rules were
rules, and
it's nice to see them enforced.
Darc
Bob Forrest
wrote:
> Due to his allegedly improper (and probably illegal) business
practices with
> at least two of our members, The GT Alley AKA GTAlley AKA
Brian Fuentes AKA
> Charlie Hupp Race Cars AKA Charlie Hupp AKA
Portmasters is hereby removed
> from the Team3S list, and is hereby
permanently banned, effective
> immediately.
>
> Bob
Forrest
> Admin, Team3S
>
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Date:
Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:11:34 +0000 (GMT)
From: George Kuo <amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: GT Alley removed from list...
Hmm... not I like to nose around
but what did he (Brian) do?? I'm
suppose to hook up with him after New
years and have him work on my
car. Can some please advise?
=(
George
- ---Bob Forrest <bf@bobforrest.com> wrote:
>
>
Due to his allegedly improper (and probably illegal) business
practices
with
> at least two of our members, The GT Alley AKA GTAlley AKA
Brian
Fuentes AKA
> Charlie Hupp Race Cars AKA Charlie Hupp AKA
Portmasters is hereby
removed
> from the Team3S list, and is hereby
permanently banned, effective
> immediately.
>
> Bob
Forrest
> Admin, Team3S
>
>
>
>
>
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Date:
Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:30:33 -0600
From: "Todd D Shelton" <tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
GT Alley removed from list...
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Last time I checked embezzlement was indeed still a
crime.
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Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 1:51 PM
Subject:
Team3S: GT Alley removed from list...
=20
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business =
practices with
at least two of our members,
The GT Alley AKA GTAlley AKA Brian =
Fuentes AKA
Charlie Hupp Race Cars AKA Charlie Hupp AKA Portmasters is hereby
=
removed
from the Team3S list, and is hereby
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immediately.
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From: "Todd D Shelton" <tds@brightok.net>
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George,
Actually this is your lucky day!
Now
you won't be swindled like myself
and others have. I will forward
emails I have
sent out to many members today advising them of the
recent
criminal offenses that have been perpetrated
by Brian and the GT
Alley.
- - Todd
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From: George Kuo <amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 4:22 PM
Subject: Re:
Team3S: GT Alley removed from list...
=20
=20
Hmm... not I like to nose around but what did he
(Brian) do?? I'm
suppose to hook up with him after
New years and have him work on my
car. Can some
please advise? =3D(
=20
George
=20
=20
=20
=20
---Bob Forrest <bf@bobforrest.com>
wrote:
>
> Due to his
allegedly improper (and probably illegal) business
practices with
> at least two of our members, The GT
Alley AKA GTAlley AKA Brian
Fuentes
AKA
> Charlie Hupp Race Cars AKA Charlie Hupp AKA
Portmasters is hereby
removed
>
from the Team3S list, and is hereby permanently banned,
effective
> immediately.
>=20
> Bob Forrest
> Admin,
Team3S
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criminal offenses that have
been=20
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Alley.</FONT></DIV>
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I'm<BR>suppose to hook up =
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Date:
Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:25:19 EST
From: VR4Power@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: GT
Alley removed from list...
I'm a little slow today, so what did Brian
actually do?
Adam W
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Date:
Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:06:00 -0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@texas.net>
Subject: Team3S:
Possible new shop
Hey everyone,
I am in the process of building a
business plan to open a shop here locally
in Austin.
I would very much
appreciate if you would take a few moments and answer a
few of the following
questions.
What forms of advertising gets your attention.
Radio, magazine, track
events, word of mouth etc...
What makes you a
new customer? What would it take to earn your business?
What would it
take to keep your business?
What makes a good shop? (Presentation of the
shop, showroom etc.)
Anything else that I have not thought of that may be
beneficial to a
successful shop.
I wish to open and operate a shop
that caters to Mitsubishi and Toyota,
including doing maintenance work and
possibly repair work better than a
dealership.
Thanks for any help
that can be provided.
> Brad
>
> Check out my home
page: http://lonestar.texas.net/~bbedell
>
E-Mail: bbedell@texas.net ICQ#
3612682
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Date:
Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:13:18 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Possible new shop
Brad;
Good old fashioned word of mouth
will do you better than anything else. It's what can
make or break a
person, and where the service is impecable: professional, honest, and
first
class, it won't be long before you wonder if you have enough time in life
to
handle the requests for your expertise...which may mean expansion, with
the then
unenviable task of having your reputation then umberella over
(hopefully) the same type
of characteristics in employees that you
hire. As I mentioned to Errin in Seattle
recently...a brochure under
the wiper of every 3S and radical Toyota that you see, is
clearly another way
to target your clients without a lot of cash laid out. Other means
of
advertising are of course effective as well, but for me, I like down to earth
people,
and shy away from the glitter.
Best of luck (Good on ya)
whatever way you go
Darc
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Date:
Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:54:29 -0600
From: Jeff Crabtree <wjcrabtree@sprintmail.com>
Subject:
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OK, I probably
shouldn't publicly post this(it's off topic). However, considering
what
is going down with GT Alley I think it's ironic that Brad has asked this
question now,
and important that we should share some ideas publicly about
what a shop should be like.
Add to it if ya want.
Brad Bedell
wrote:
> What forms of advertising gets your attention. Radio,
magazine, track
> events, word of mouth etc...
You are already
using the most powerful marketing tool in existence. I would say
dump
ALOT of your Ad $$ into designing a VERY good website. That way
any OTHER advertising
you do can direct people to your web address for
detailed info. AND LINK, LINK, LINK!!!
> What makes you
a new customer? What would it take to earn your business?
> What
would it take to keep your business?
Credentials, experience, word of
mouth, and honesty. (see diatribe at the end)
#1) Don't
forget, the customer is always right.
#2) If the customer is wrong,
see#1
What makes a good shop? (Presentation of the shop, showroom
etc.)
Every disorganized dirty shop I've ever been in, save one, has
screwed up my car. Keep
it organized and crisp.
>
Anything else that I have not thought of that may be beneficial to a
>
successful shop.
Among other things, price is probably most
important. I'll pay a premium only when it's
worth it. If you
want to get paid alot, be worth it, otherwise be prepared to be the
price
leader.
> I wish to open and operate a shop that caters to Mitsubishi
and Toyota,
> including doing maintenance work and possibly repair work
better than a
> dealership.
I'd be happy to take my car anywhere
other than the dealership if I thought I could
trust anyone else. My
biggest problem with auto repair shops is sloppy work and
dishonesty.
The ONLY time I take my car in to a shop is when it needs something I
can't
do. I simply don't trust any idiot mechanic to work on my car
because it is NOT his
car, and I know he(or she) doesn't care. So he's
going to do a slam-bam-thank-ya-ma'am
job because his lunch break is in ten
minutes or because his boss told him to finish the
job before he leaves and
he's supposed to get off at 5.
Make sure your staff cares about
everything they do like they are working on their own
car. I guarantee
you'll win every time.
Oh yeah, and my Stealth is going to be needing an
engine overhaul when I get it back
from the body shop. If you need some
practice, I'd be glad to volunteer!
- --
- -Jeff
Crabtree
'91 Stealth R/T
Turbo(#499)
'93
Wrangler 4.0L
Sport
St. Louis, MO
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OK, I probably shouldn't
publicly post this(it's off topic).
However, considering what is
going down with GT Alley I think it's ironic
that Brad has asked this
question now, and important that we should share
some ideas publicly about
what a shop should be like.
<p>Add to it if ya want.
<p>Brad
Bedell wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><b>What forms of advertising
gets your attention.
Radio, magazine,
track</b>
<br><b>events, word of mouth
etc...</b></blockquote>
You are already using the most powerful
marketing tool in existence.
I would say dump ALOT of your Ad $$
into designing a VERY good website.
That way any OTHER advertising
you do can direct people to your web address
for detailed info. AND
LINK, LINK, LINK!!!
<br>
<blockquote
TYPE=CITE><b>What makes you a new customer? What would
it
take to earn your business?</b>
<br><b>What would it take
to keep your business?</b></blockquote>
Credentials, experience,
word of mouth, and honesty. (see diatribe
at the
end)
<p>#1) Don't forget, the customer is always
right.
<br>#2) If the customer is wrong,
see#1<b></b>
<p><b>What makes a good shop?
(Presentation of the shop, showroom
etc.)</b><b></b>
<p>Every disorganized dirty shop
I've ever been in, save one, has screwed
up my car. Keep it
organized and crisp.
<br>
<blockquote
TYPE=CITE><b>Anything else that I have not thought of that
may be
beneficial to a</b>
<br><b>successful
shop.</b></blockquote>
Among other things, price is probably most
important. I'll pay a
premium only when it's worth it. If
you want to get paid alot, be
worth it, otherwise be prepared to be the price
leader.
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><b>I wish to open and operate a
shop that caters
to Mitsubishi and
Toyota,</b>
<br><b>including doing maintenance work and
possibly repair work better
than
a</b>
<br><b>dealership.</b></blockquote>
I'd
be happy to take my car anywhere other than the dealership if I thought
I
could trust anyone else. My biggest problem with auto repair
shops
is sloppy work and dishonesty. The ONLY time I take my car in
to
a shop is when it needs something I can't do. I simply don't
trust
any idiot mechanic to work on my car because it is NOT his car, and I
know
he(or she) doesn't care. So he's going to do a
slam-bam-thank-ya-ma'am
job because his lunch break is in ten minutes or
because his boss told
him to finish the job before he leaves and he's
supposed to get off at
5.
<p>Make sure your staff cares about
everything they do like they are working
on their own car. I
guarantee you'll win every time.
<p>Oh yeah, and my Stealth is going to
be needing an engine overhaul when
I get it back from the body
shop. If you need some practice, I'd
be glad to
volunteer!
<p>--
<br>-Jeff
Crabtree
<br> '91 Stealth R/T
Turbo(#499)
<br>
'93 Wrangler
4.0L
Sport
<br>
St.
Louis, MO
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Date:
Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:51:23 -0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Possible new shop
- -----Original Message-----From: Brad Bedell
<bbedell@texas.net>
|What
forms of advertising gets your attention. Radio, magazine,
track
|events, word of mouth etc...
Maintenance and repair shops
usually do local business, so mass media like
radio and mags are probably
economically inefficient; word of mouth and
flyers and newspapers would most
likely make me take note. And don't
forget, lots of techies buy
complex, techie cars :-) , so put up a slick,
informative website and a
matching poster with your URL...
|What makes you a new
customer?
Shoddy workmanship or impersonal service from the shop I'm
using gets me
looking...
|What would it take to earn your
business?
The promise of a more attentive and more knowledgeable service
staff, who
does WHAT they say they will WHEN they say they will, and do it
better than
the competition.
|What would it take to keep your
business?
Living up to the promise... Satisfied customers come
back.
|What makes a good shop? (Presentation of the shop, showroom
etc.)
The best shops I've ever used were usually a disorganized hole in
the wall
with one genius curmudgeon running the show and underpaid
apprentices
following the master's every word.
I like shops that are
greasy with the dirt of hard work. Although a nice
yuppie coffee
machine in the corner loaded with fresh ground is always a
nice
touch.
|Anything else that I have not thought of that may be
beneficial to a
|successful shop.
Again, it's a personal preference,
but I like shops that only use the best
products, and I don't mind paying
extra for them; real guarantees to stand
behind work done is another big
draw; and having booklets or even a few
sheets stapled together explaining
the procedures give me confidence that
they WANT me to be informed so I can
work with them.
|I wish to open and operate a shop that caters to
Mitsubishi and Toyota,
|including doing maintenance work and possibly repair
work better than a
|dealership.
Better than a dealership? That
shouldn't be too tough... :-) Best of
luck,
Brad...
Forrest
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Date:
Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:44:29 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Possible new shop
Not much I could add to Jeff, Bob and
Darc's response, Brad. I think you're
going about
it the right way
by doing some market research before jumping in with both
feet.
Judging
from some of the pictures I've seen of your work, customers will be
driving
away satisfied. I agree with Jeff about a
shop's
appearance. A neat, organized and clean shop
is important for
a number of reasons.
Some business points, though:
* The customer
is always right. This was
already said but is worth
repeating.
* Undercommit but then overdeliver. Be
prepared to work 80 hours per week. Take
Beth on a vacation
before you start because
it might be a few years before you can do
it
again.
* Advertising, unless you do it yourself,
can
be expensive. As your business grows, so
will your advertising budget. Keep it
proportional.
*
When you get to the point where you think
you need to hire help,
postpone the decision
for a few more months. If the work
gets
thin, you won't be able to afford paying an
employee
for sitting around.
* When the day comes when you need to hire
help, find someone who is better than you
are and be prepared to pay
for it.
* Learn a candidate's work ethic before you
extend a
job offer. Check references and
backgrounds thorougly.
*
Don't neglect to pay the IRS every month,
for they can be worse than
loan sharks.
Good luck if you decide to go ahead with it!
-
-Bob
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Date:
Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:09:21 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Engine rebuild
question
I'm ordering new pistons and I'd like to confirm my
choices.
I'll be enlarging the displacement to 3.2L.
If I'm correct the
size of the piston should be 92mm
I'm also going to bring down the
compression to 8 to 1 in order to run
more boost.
Any corrective criticism
or suggestions much appreciated.
Thanks
Arty 91 VR-4
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Date:
Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:41:04 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Engine rebuild question
The stock bore is 91.1mm for all years. 93
mm will get you to 3.1L. You'd
need to go to 94.9mm to get 3.2L which I
am not sure is possible -- you'd
have to get in there and do some
measuring. Don't forget to take the
cylinder head design into
consideration.
The stock compression ratio should already be 8:1.
Going much lower will
likely not get you much if anything. I actually
suspect it would be worse.
You'd have to run some calculations to get an idea
if lowering CR below 8:1
is the right thing to do. Most builders will
say it is not.
Regards,
Barry
> -----Original
Message-----
>
> I'm ordering new pistons and I'd like to confirm my
choices.
> I'll be enlarging the displacement to 3.2L.
> If I'm
correct the size of the piston should be 92mm
> I'm also going to bring
down the compression to 8 to 1 in order to run
> more boost.
> Any
corrective criticism or suggestions much appreciated.
> Thanks
>
Arty 91 VR-4
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Date:
Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:01:46 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Brians fall from
grace
In addition to the exposed scandal...
About a week ago I got a
message from Brian. He had a super deal for me (so he
thought) Lucky for me,
I did not think his deal was good enough. His prices
were always high. Sure
as heck, the money would have been down the drain. I
can't imagine that he
did not know then, what we know now. Brian, must have
intended to just steel
the money.
Arty 91 VR-4
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Date:
Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:18:15 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Brians fall from grace
Hi group;
Brian's situation is not
enviable. However, a court has not been convened nor a jury
selected...ie he
has not been proven guilty. Everything is alleged at this point, as
the
whole picture is not really known, albeit some large chunks have been
revealed. He
has been cut from the list by admin for protection of
members and for the protection of
the list admin itself. What Brian did or
didn't do, and what he does or doesn't do to
rectify the situation is all a
matter of conjector. Just remember what you print here in
the form of
accusations is in print..it's not alleged or word of mouth. Better to
let
this one rest. And, as a reminder, you do not have to rip list members
off to be banned
from this list...just start flaming away or plain being a
jerk, and see how long it
lasts.
Darc
Aso8@aol.com wrote:
> In addition to
the exposed scandal...
> About a week ago I got a message from Brian. He
had a super deal for me (so he
> thought) Lucky for me, I did not think
his deal was good enough. His prices
> were always high. Sure as heck, the
money would have been down the drain. I
> can't imagine that he did not
know then, what we know now. Brian, must have
> intended to just steel the
money.
> Arty 91 VR-4
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
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Date:
Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:36:12 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject:
Team3S: RE: Possible new shop
Brad...
I think you've gotten some
EXCELLENT advice from others so I won't repeat it
all, except for these
things...
1. The VERY BEST advertising is word of mouth. Lots of people
have cool web
sites, lots of people invest in radio or TV, but what gets me
to use a shop
(or store) is when someone I trust says "this is the place I
go, and they've
ALWAYS treated me right".
2. No one is perfect,
everyone makes mistakes. When you do, make it up to
your customer. Give them
something extra. There's two things that drives me
away from a shop. a) not
meeting commitments (quality, cost, and/or
schedule) and b) the shop that
does one of the aforementioned things and
then acts as if it's my problem,
not his. The reason I go back to Gateway
Automotive is because John Boline
quotes a price and time for the job and
sticks with it. He always calls me
when the car is done, let's me know if
it's going to take longer (but doesn't
charge beyond his quote). His work
has been excellent and he's willing to
talk about what he's doing. To top it
off, he LOVES our cars. Note: The last
three sentences are an example of #1.
3. There were a couple perspectives
on clean versus messy shops. I'm a tidy
person. If a shop I use appears to be
such a mess that the mechanic can't
find his tools, I wonder how he'll be
able to find all the parts for my car.
In fact, I used a shop like this once
(only once) and they left some parts
off my car. Bad news and it took another
trip to get it right.
Looking forward...Chris
"Friends don't let
friends ride with me"
1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4
-
-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Bedell [mailto:bbedell@texas.net]
Sent:
Wednesday, December 16, 1998 6:06 PM
To: stealth@starnet.net; stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Team3S: Possible new shop
Hey everyone,
I am in the process of
building a business plan to open a shop here locally
in Austin. I would very
much appreciate if you would take a few moments and
answer a few of the
following questions.
<snip>
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Date:
Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:34:36 -0600
From: "Todd D Shelton" <tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Brians fall from grace
Arty,
Yes he knew last month that he would
be leaving
and the partnership had been dissolved.
He would not leave
peacefully in November
and it was agreed he would leave this month.
Even
after being locked out of Portmaster's
building he was still going up to the
parking lot
in front of the building to accept additional funds
paid up
front for jobs that would never be completed.
My motor sat in a crate since
July and was never touched
even though since Sept I had been receiving false
reports
and updates that machine work, disassembly etc had been
completed
when in fact my motor had never been removed
from the crate I had custom
built to ship the motor to California.
There have been several crimes
committed included fraud and embezzlement.
This is by far the worst I have
ever been burned even if I added
up all the money I've ever lost. He
would say or promise
anything in order to get money paid up front - then
spend the
money for his own personal desires. He should be in
prison
for the crimes he has committed.
- - tds
-
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-----Original Message-----
From: Aso8@aol.com <Aso8@aol.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Cc: Aso8@aol.com <Aso8@aol.com>
Date:
Thursday, December 17, 1998 10:02 AM
Subject: Team3S:
Brians fall from grace
In addition to the exposed
scandal...
About a week ago I got a message from Brian. He
had a super deal for me
(so he
thought) Lucky for me, I
did not think his deal was good enough. His
prices
were
always high. Sure as heck, the money would have been down the
drain.
I
can't imagine that he did not know then, what we know
now. Brian, must
have
intended to just steel the
money.
Arty 91 VR-4
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
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Date:
Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:40:24 -0600
From: "Todd D Shelton" <tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Brians fall from grace
Would it help if I faxed you copies of
my
payments made in June totaling THOUSANDS
of dollars along with a
current picture and analysis
of my motor with the same 2 toasted
pistons?
The owner of Portmasters has confirmed what
has already been
discussed and MUCH more that
I have not revealed. I have chosen to
speak of only
what has happened to me personally but there is
clear
evidence and documentation of MANY other
criminal offenses that have been
committed.
Perhaps you need to be swindled out of a few
thousand yourself
to understand?
- - tds
-
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-----Original Message-----
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca <wce@bc.sympatico.ca>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 10:20 AM
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Brians fall from grace
Hi
group;
Brian's situation is not enviable. However, a
court has not been
convened nor a jury
selected...ie he
has not been proven guilty. Everything is alleged at
this point,
as
the whole picture is not really known, albeit some
large chunks have
been revealed. He
has been cut
from the list by admin for protection of members and for
the protection
of
the list admin itself. What Brian did or didn't do, and
what he does or
doesn't do to
rectify the situation is
all a matter of conjector. Just remember what
you print here
in
the form of accusations is in print..it's not alleged
or word of mouth.
Better to let
this one rest. And, as
a reminder, you do not have to rip list members
off to be
banned
from this list...just start flaming away or plain
being a jerk, and see
how long it
lasts.
Darc
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info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
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Date:
Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:59:20 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Brians fall from grace
Todd...
I believe Darcy's point
is that we (the list members) are neither the judge
nor jury and cannot help
you recover any of the damages you may be seeking.
I believe Bob Forrest did
the right thing in removing Brian from the list,
but debating the issues on
the list is unproductive and potentially
damaging.
I am truly sorry
that you were burnt. I suggest any discussions be taken
offline again, as you
did with your first e-mail.
Looking forward...Chris
"Friends don't
let friends ride with me"
1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4
-
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd D Shelton [mailto:tds@brightok.net]
Sent: Thursday,
December 17, 1998 8:40 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Brians fall from grace
Would it help if I faxed you
copies of my
payments made in June totaling THOUSANDS
of dollars along
with a current picture and analysis
of my motor with the same 2 toasted
pistons?
<snip>
- - tds
-
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-----Original Message-----
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca <wce@bc.sympatico.ca>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 10:20 AM
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Brians fall from grace
Hi
group;
Brian's situation is not enviable. However, a
court has not been
convened nor a jury
selected...ie he
has not been proven guilty. <snip>
Darc
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Date:
Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:06:28 -0600
From: "Todd D Shelton" <tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Brians fall from grace
Agreed - your point is taken
and I will refrain
from even responding
to the messages posted on this list concerning
the
matter as I have not posted any original
threads to the List(s) regarding the
situation.
- - tds
OBSTEALTH - Mine is exactly where it
was
last summer :)
-
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 10:59 AM
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Brians fall from grace
Todd...
I am truly sorry that you were burnt. I
suggest any discussions be taken
offline again, as you did
with your first e-mail.
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page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
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Date:
Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:42:16 -0600
From: "Todd D Shelton" <tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Brians fall from grace
You may wish to speak for yourself on this point
since
I have received outstanding legal references
and such from several
members and it's
very much appreciated.
- - tds
StealthRTTT
with phantom 3.5 liter 0 HP powerplant
-
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 10:59 AM
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Brians fall from grace
Todd...
I believe Darcy's point is that we (the list
members) are neither the
judge
nor jury and cannot help
you recover any of the damages you may be
seeking.
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
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Date:
Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:00:15 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Brians fall from grace
No arguement Todd. Your position is even
less enviable than Brian's...mmm...no, not!! .
When things turn to shit like
this, it's hard not to want to lynch someone...preferably
the guy
responsible. Be aware, however, that any sentient being who subscribes
here,
has been dialed in, not only through what has been said, but what
has been left
unsaid,or what has been said on side channels (the latter two
being volumnes). I think
you have a legion of unseen friends here, so do not
dispair.
Darc
"May they who do ill to their comrades, inherit the
consequences of their
actions"...20th Century Curse.
Todd D Shelton
wrote:
> Would it help if I faxed you copies of my
> payments
made in June totaling THOUSANDS
> of dollars along with a current picture
and analysis
> of my motor with the same 2 toasted pistons?
> The
owner of Portmasters has confirmed what
> has already been discussed and
MUCH more that
> I have not revealed. I have chosen to speak of
only
> what has happened to me personally but there is
> clear
evidence and documentation of MANY other
> criminal offenses that have
been committed.
> Perhaps you need to be swindled out of a few
>
thousand yourself to understand?
>
> - tds
>
>
-------------------------------------------------------
>
-----Original Message-----
> From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca <wce@bc.sympatico.ca>
>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
>
Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 10:20 AM
>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brians fall from
grace
>
> Hi
group;
>
> Brian's situation is not
enviable. However, a court has not been
> convened nor a
jury
> selected...ie he has not been proven
guilty. Everything is alleged at
> this point,
as
> the whole picture is not really known, albeit
some large chunks have
> been revealed.
He
> has been cut from the list by admin for
protection of members and for
> the protection
of
> the list admin itself. What Brian did or
didn't do, and what he does or
> doesn't do
to
> rectify the situation is all a matter of
conjector. Just remember what
> you print here
in
> the form of accusations is in print..it's not
alleged or word of mouth.
> Better to let
>
this one rest. And, as a reminder, you do not have to rip list members
>
off to be banned
> from this list...just start
flaming away or plain being a jerk, and see
> how long
it
>
lasts.
>
> Darc
>
> For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
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Date:
Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:16:53 -0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S:
The FINAL Word on GT Alley (Off-Topic)
>>>PLEASE, to protect
Todd and Roger and others, take any further discussion
of this to PRIVATE
emails, although subsequent developments may be posted in
way of
warning... Todd and Roger may choose to share updates, but we
should
all be careful to keep discussions to ourselves. There may be
questions of
legal liability here, and we don't want to jeopardize any future
actions.
If no one objects, I'll be editing out any references to these
matters from
the digests, which are available for public view (unless someone
has a
better idea for password access, etc). According to our rules,
private
emails should not be published either, so I'll just summarize what
has
transpired. If there are questions, feel free to email any of the
admins
privately. Thanks.<<<
Yesterday, I emailed
Brian at GT Alley with a request for immediate
clarification on how he
intended to handle what he owed to Todd and Roger.
I received a reply from
him explaining his trials and tribulations with
Charles Hupp, who he claims
is/was his partner, that he is out of money and
has no access to Todd's
engine or Roger's parts. The Team3S admins
conferred and GT Alley was
removed from the list, as per our rules. We sent
him a letter
explaining that he had been removed because he had wronged at
least two of
our subscribers, and that we would all be wary of the GT Alley
name and
Charlie Hupp and Brian LaFuente until full restitution was made.
That
ends our involvement. Hopefully, Todd and Roger will keep us
informed.
Bob Forrest
Admin, Team3S
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