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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:48:10 -0800
From: Ken Middaugh <middaugh@omega.gat.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: none

Zentelis none wrote:
>
> What's the best place/way to find a '94 R/T TT for sale? I've been
> searching all over the net and the only one I found for sale was on
> Rhode Island and it's not even a TT. It's really quite frustrating ;)
> Anybody have any suggestions? After all, I'd like to join in on some of
> the mailing list conversations, not just read everything (including 1/4
> mile times) thinking "I really wish I had a stealth right now". Thank ya
> :)
> oh, if it's relevant, I won't be buying one this week or anything, I
> just want a place to start looking so i can buy one in the next few
> months.

Check out http://www.classifieds2000.com.  They usually list over 40
VR4's nationwide at any given time.
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General Atomics
San Diego
(619) 455-4510
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:14:31 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: used TT

Zentelis...

I found mine through the Auto Trader website. I was looking for a specific
year, specific color, low miles and, of course, the lowest possible price.
That was eighteen months ago and I had spent four months looking locally.
Finally used the web and it took me a couple months to find one. Funny you
should mention Rhode Island, that's where mine finally showed up. Flew out
to inspect it, make a deal. Took six weeks to get it shipped out here.
Probably couldn't have found one farther away, but it was worth the search.
Their site is:

http://www.traderonline.com/auto/index.shtml

Good luck!!!

Looking forward...Chris

"Friends don't let friends ride with me"

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4 

- -----Original Message-----
From: Zentelis none [mailto:zentelis@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 10:43 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: none


What's the best place/way to find a '94 R/T TT for sale? I've been
searching all over the net and the only one I found for sale was on
Rhode Island and it's not even a TT. It's really quite frustrating ;)
Anybody have any suggestions? After all, I'd like to join in on some of
the mailing list conversations, not just read everything (including 1/4
mile times) thinking "I really wish I had a stealth right now". Thank ya
:)
oh, if it's relevant, I won't be buying one this week or anything, I
just want a place to start looking so i can buy one in the next few
months.

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:21:49 -0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S: GT Alley removed from list...

Due to his allegedly improper (and probably illegal) business practices with
at least two of our members, The GT Alley AKA GTAlley AKA Brian Fuentes AKA
Charlie Hupp Race Cars AKA Charlie Hupp AKA Portmasters is hereby removed
from the Team3S list, and is hereby permanently banned, effective
immediately.

Bob Forrest
Admin, Team3S





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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:38:07 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: GT Alley removed from list...

Bob;

I'm glad you're right on top of this shit. At the outset you indicated that rules were
rules, and it's nice to see them enforced.

Darc

Bob Forrest wrote:

> Due to his allegedly improper (and probably illegal) business practices with
> at least two of our members, The GT Alley AKA GTAlley AKA Brian Fuentes AKA
> Charlie Hupp Race Cars AKA Charlie Hupp AKA Portmasters is hereby removed
> from the Team3S list, and is hereby permanently banned, effective
> immediately.
>
> Bob Forrest
> Admin, Team3S
>
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:11:34 +0000 (GMT)
From: George Kuo <amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: GT Alley removed from list...

Hmm... not I like to nose around but what did he (Brian) do??  I'm
suppose to hook up with him after New years and have him work on my
car.  Can some please advise? =(

George




- ---Bob Forrest <bf@bobforrest.com> wrote:
>
> Due to his allegedly improper (and probably illegal) business
practices with
> at least two of our members, The GT Alley AKA GTAlley AKA Brian
Fuentes AKA
> Charlie Hupp Race Cars AKA Charlie Hupp AKA Portmasters is hereby
removed
> from the Team3S list, and is hereby permanently banned, effective
> immediately.
>
> Bob Forrest
> Admin, Team3S
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:30:33 -0600
From: "Todd D Shelton" <tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: GT Alley removed from list...

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Last time I checked embezzlement was indeed still a crime.

- - tds

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    Subject: Team3S: GT Alley removed from list...
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:40:04 -0600
From: "Todd D Shelton" <tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: GT Alley removed from list...

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George,

Actually this is your lucky day!
Now you won't be swindled like myself
and others have.  I will forward emails I have
sent out to many members today advising them of the
recent criminal offenses that have been perpetrated
by Brian and the GT Alley.

- - Todd

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    -----Original Message-----
    From: George Kuo <amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
    To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
    Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 4:22 PM
    Subject: Re: Team3S: GT Alley removed from list...
   =20
   =20
    Hmm... not I like to nose around but what did he (Brian) do??  I'm
    suppose to hook up with him after New years and have him work on my
    car.  Can some please advise? =3D(
   =20
    George
   =20
   =20
   =20
   =20
    ---Bob Forrest <bf@bobforrest.com> wrote:
    >
    > Due to his allegedly improper (and probably illegal) business
    practices with
    > at least two of our members, The GT Alley AKA GTAlley AKA Brian
    Fuentes AKA
    > Charlie Hupp Race Cars AKA Charlie Hupp AKA Portmasters is hereby
    removed
    > from the Team3S list, and is hereby permanently banned, effective
    > immediately.
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    > Admin, Team3S
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:25:19 EST
From: VR4Power@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: GT Alley removed from list...

I'm a little slow today, so what did Brian actually do?

Adam W
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:06:00 -0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@texas.net>
Subject: Team3S: Possible new shop

Hey everyone,

I am in the process of building a business plan to open a shop here locally
in Austin.
I would very much appreciate if you would take a few moments and answer a
few of the following questions.


What forms of advertising gets your attention.  Radio, magazine, track
events, word of mouth etc...

What makes you a new customer?  What would it take to earn your business?
What would it take to keep your business?

What makes a good shop? (Presentation of the shop, showroom etc.)

Anything else that I have not thought of that may be beneficial to a
successful shop.

I wish to open and operate a shop that caters to Mitsubishi and Toyota,
including doing maintenance work and possibly repair work better than a
dealership.


Thanks for any help that can be provided.

> Brad
>
> Check out my home page:    http://lonestar.texas.net/~bbedell
> E-Mail: bbedell@texas.net ICQ#  3612682


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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:13:18 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: Possible new shop

Brad;

Good old fashioned word of mouth will do you better than anything else. It's what  can
make or break a person, and where the service is impecable: professional, honest, and
first class, it won't be long before you wonder if you have enough time in life to
handle the requests for your expertise...which may mean expansion, with the then
unenviable task of having your reputation then umberella over (hopefully) the same type
of  characteristics in employees that you hire. As  I mentioned to Errin in Seattle
recently...a brochure under the wiper of every 3S and radical Toyota that you see, is
clearly another way to target your clients without a lot of cash laid out. Other means
of advertising are of course effective as well, but for me, I like down to earth people,
and shy away from the glitter.

Best of  luck (Good on ya) whatever way you go

Darc

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:54:29 -0600
From: Jeff Crabtree <wjcrabtree@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Poss. shop(reply)

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OK,  I probably shouldn't publicly post this(it's off topic).  However, considering what
is going down with GT Alley I think it's ironic that Brad has asked this question now,
and important that we should share some ideas publicly about what a shop should be like.

Add to it if ya want.

Brad Bedell wrote:

> What forms of advertising gets your attention.  Radio, magazine, track
> events, word of mouth etc...

You are already using the most powerful marketing tool in existence.  I would say dump
ALOT of your Ad $$ into designing a VERY good website.  That way any OTHER advertising
you do can direct people to your web address for detailed info.  AND LINK, LINK, LINK!!!



> What makes you a new customer?  What would it take to earn your business?
> What would it take to keep your business?

Credentials, experience, word of mouth, and honesty.  (see diatribe at the end)

#1)  Don't forget, the customer is always right.
#2)  If the customer is wrong, see#1

What makes a good shop? (Presentation of the shop, showroom etc.)

Every disorganized dirty shop I've ever been in, save one, has screwed up my car.  Keep
it organized and crisp.


> Anything else that I have not thought of that may be beneficial to a
> successful shop.

Among other things, price is probably most important.  I'll pay a premium only when it's
worth it.  If you want to get paid alot, be worth it, otherwise be prepared to be the
price leader.

> I wish to open and operate a shop that caters to Mitsubishi and Toyota,
> including doing maintenance work and possibly repair work better than a
> dealership.

I'd be happy to take my car anywhere other than the dealership if I thought I could
trust anyone else.  My biggest problem with auto repair shops is sloppy work and
dishonesty.  The ONLY time I take my car in to a shop is when it needs something I can't
do.  I simply don't trust any idiot mechanic to work on my car because it is NOT his
car, and I know he(or she) doesn't care.  So he's going to do a slam-bam-thank-ya-ma'am
job because his lunch break is in ten minutes or because his boss told him to finish the
job before he leaves and he's supposed to get off at 5.

Make sure your staff cares about everything they do like they are working on their own
car.  I guarantee you'll win every time.

Oh yeah, and my Stealth is going to be needing an engine overhaul when I get it back
from the body shop.  If you need some practice, I'd be glad to volunteer!

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    '91 Stealth R/T Turbo(#499)
          '93 Wrangler 4.0L Sport
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OK,&nbsp; I probably shouldn't publicly post this(it's off topic).&nbsp;
However, considering what is going down with GT Alley I think it's ironic
that Brad has asked this question now, and important that we should share
some ideas publicly about what a shop should be like.
<p>Add to it if ya want.
<p>Brad Bedell wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><b>What forms of advertising gets your attention.&nbsp;
Radio, magazine, track</b>
<br><b>events, word of mouth etc...</b></blockquote>
You are already using the most powerful marketing tool in existence.&nbsp;
I would say dump ALOT of your Ad $$ into designing a VERY good website.&nbsp;
That way any OTHER advertising you do can direct people to your web address
for detailed info.&nbsp; AND LINK, LINK, LINK!!!
<br>&nbsp;
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><b>What makes you a new customer?&nbsp; What would
it take to earn your business?</b>
<br><b>What would it take to keep your business?</b></blockquote>
Credentials, experience, word of mouth, and honesty.&nbsp; (see diatribe
at the end)
<p>#1)&nbsp; Don't forget, the customer is always right.
<br>#2)&nbsp; If the customer is wrong, see#1<b></b>
<p><b>What makes a good shop? (Presentation of the shop, showroom etc.)</b><b></b>
<p>Every disorganized dirty shop I've ever been in, save one, has screwed
up my car.&nbsp; Keep it organized and crisp.
<br>&nbsp;
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><b>Anything else that I have not thought of that
may be beneficial to a</b>
<br><b>successful shop.</b></blockquote>
Among other things, price is probably most important.&nbsp; I'll pay a
premium only when it's worth it.&nbsp; If you want to get paid alot, be
worth it, otherwise be prepared to be the price leader.
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><b>I wish to open and operate a shop that caters
to Mitsubishi and Toyota,</b>
<br><b>including doing maintenance work and possibly repair work better
than a</b>
<br><b>dealership.</b></blockquote>
I'd be happy to take my car anywhere other than the dealership if I thought
I could trust anyone else.&nbsp; My biggest problem with auto repair shops
is sloppy work and dishonesty.&nbsp; The ONLY time I take my car in to
a shop is when it needs something I can't do.&nbsp; I simply don't trust
any idiot mechanic to work on my car because it is NOT his car, and I know
he(or she) doesn't care.&nbsp; So he's going to do a slam-bam-thank-ya-ma'am
job because his lunch break is in ten minutes or because his boss told
him to finish the job before he leaves and he's supposed to get off at
5.
<p>Make sure your staff cares about everything they do like they are working
on their own car.&nbsp; I guarantee you'll win every time.
<p>Oh yeah, and my Stealth is going to be needing an engine overhaul when
I get it back from the body shop.&nbsp; If you need some practice, I'd
be glad to volunteer!
<p>--
<br>-Jeff Crabtree
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; '91 Stealth R/T Turbo(#499)
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; '93 Wrangler
4.0L Sport
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
St. Louis, MO
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:51:23 -0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Possible new shop

- -----Original Message-----From: Brad Bedell <bbedell@texas.net>

|What forms of advertising gets your attention.  Radio, magazine, track
|events, word of mouth etc...

Maintenance and repair shops usually do local business, so mass media like
radio and mags are probably economically inefficient; word of mouth and
flyers and newspapers would most likely make me take note.  And don't
forget, lots of techies buy complex, techie cars :-) , so put up a slick,
informative website and a matching poster with your URL...


|What makes you a new customer?

Shoddy workmanship or impersonal service from the shop I'm using gets me
looking...


|What would it take to earn your business?

The promise of a more attentive and more knowledgeable service staff, who
does WHAT they say they will WHEN they say they will, and do it better than
the competition.


|What would it take to keep your business?

Living up to the promise...  Satisfied customers come back.


|What makes a good shop? (Presentation of the shop, showroom etc.)

The best shops I've ever used were usually a disorganized hole in the wall
with one genius curmudgeon running the show and underpaid apprentices
following the master's every word.
I like shops that are greasy with the dirt of hard work.  Although a nice
yuppie coffee machine in the corner loaded with fresh ground is always a
nice touch.


|Anything else that I have not thought of that may be beneficial to a
|successful shop.

Again, it's a personal preference, but I like shops that only use the best
products, and I don't mind paying extra for them; real guarantees to stand
behind work done is another big draw; and having booklets or even a few
sheets stapled together explaining the procedures give me confidence that
they WANT me to be informed so I can work with them.


|I wish to open and operate a shop that caters to Mitsubishi and Toyota,
|including doing maintenance work and possibly repair work better than a
|dealership.

Better than a dealership?  That shouldn't be too tough...  :-)  Best of
luck, Brad...


Forrest




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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:44:29 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Possible new shop

Not much I could add to Jeff, Bob and Darc's response, Brad.  I think you're
going about
it the right way by doing some market research before jumping in with both
feet.  Judging
from some of the pictures I've seen of your work, customers will be driving
away satisfied.  I agree with Jeff about a shop's
appearance.  A neat, organized and clean shop
is important for a number of reasons.

Some business points, though:

* The customer is always right.  This was
  already said but is worth repeating.

* Undercommit but then overdeliver.  Be
  prepared to work 80 hours per week.  Take
  Beth on a vacation before you start because
  it might be a few years before you can do it
  again.

* Advertising, unless you do it yourself, can
  be expensive.   As your business grows, so
  will your advertising budget.  Keep it
  proportional.

* When you get to the point where you think
  you need to hire help, postpone the decision
  for a few more months.  If the work gets
  thin, you won't be able to afford paying an
  employee for sitting around.

* When the day comes when you need to hire
  help, find someone who is better than you
  are and be prepared to pay for it.

* Learn a candidate's work ethic before you
  extend a job offer.  Check references and
  backgrounds thorougly.

* Don't neglect to pay the IRS every month,
  for they can be worse than loan sharks.

Good luck if you decide to go ahead with it!

- -Bob

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:09:21 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Engine rebuild question

I'm ordering new pistons and I'd like to confirm my choices.
I'll be enlarging the displacement to 3.2L.
If I'm correct the size of the piston should be 92mm
I'm also going to bring down the compression to 8 to 1 in order to run
more boost.
Any corrective criticism or suggestions much appreciated.
Thanks
Arty 91 VR-4
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:41:04 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Engine rebuild question

The stock bore is 91.1mm for all years.  93 mm will get you to 3.1L.  You'd
need to go to 94.9mm to get 3.2L which I am not sure is possible -- you'd
have to get in there and do some measuring.  Don't forget to take the
cylinder head design into consideration.

The stock compression ratio should already be 8:1.  Going much lower will
likely not get you much if anything.  I actually suspect it would be worse.
You'd have to run some calculations to get an idea if lowering CR below 8:1
is the right thing to do.  Most builders will say it is not.


Regards,

Barry

> -----Original Message-----
>
> I'm ordering new pistons and I'd like to confirm my choices.
> I'll be enlarging the displacement to 3.2L.
> If I'm correct the size of the piston should be 92mm
> I'm also going to bring down the compression to 8 to 1 in order to run
> more boost.
> Any corrective criticism or suggestions much appreciated.
> Thanks
> Arty 91 VR-4

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:01:46 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Brians fall from grace

In addition to the exposed scandal...
About a week ago I got a message from Brian. He had a super deal for me (so he
thought) Lucky for me, I did not think his deal was good enough. His prices
were always high. Sure as heck, the money would have been down the drain. I
can't imagine that he did not know then, what we know now. Brian, must have
intended to just steel the money.
Arty 91 VR-4
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:18:15 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brians fall from grace

Hi group;

Brian's situation is not enviable. However, a court has not been convened nor a jury
selected...ie he has not been proven guilty.  Everything is alleged at this point, as
the whole picture is not really known, albeit some large chunks have been revealed.  He
has been cut from the list by admin for protection of members and for the protection of
the list admin itself. What Brian did or didn't do, and what he does or doesn't do to
rectify the situation is all a matter of conjector. Just remember what you print here in
the form of accusations is in print..it's not alleged or word of mouth. Better to let
this one rest. And, as a reminder, you do not have to rip list members off to be banned
from this list...just start flaming away or plain being a jerk, and see how long it
lasts.

Darc

Aso8@aol.com wrote:

> In addition to the exposed scandal...
> About a week ago I got a message from Brian. He had a super deal for me (so he
> thought) Lucky for me, I did not think his deal was good enough. His prices
> were always high. Sure as heck, the money would have been down the drain. I
> can't imagine that he did not know then, what we know now. Brian, must have
> intended to just steel the money.
> Arty 91 VR-4
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:36:12 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: Team3S: RE: Possible new shop

Brad...

I think you've gotten some EXCELLENT advice from others so I won't repeat it
all, except for these things...

1. The VERY BEST advertising is word of mouth. Lots of people have cool web
sites, lots of people invest in radio or TV, but what gets me to use a shop
(or store) is when someone I trust says "this is the place I go, and they've
ALWAYS treated me right".

2. No one is perfect, everyone makes mistakes. When you do, make it up to
your customer. Give them something extra. There's two things that drives me
away from a shop. a) not meeting commitments (quality, cost, and/or
schedule) and b) the shop that does one of the aforementioned things and
then acts as if it's my problem, not his. The reason I go back to Gateway
Automotive is because John Boline quotes a price and time for the job and
sticks with it. He always calls me when the car is done, let's me know if
it's going to take longer (but doesn't charge beyond his quote). His work
has been excellent and he's willing to talk about what he's doing. To top it
off, he LOVES our cars. Note: The last three sentences are an example of #1.

3. There were a couple perspectives on clean versus messy shops. I'm a tidy
person. If a shop I use appears to be such a mess that the mechanic can't
find his tools, I wonder how he'll be able to find all the parts for my car.
In fact, I used a shop like this once (only once) and they left some parts
off my car. Bad news and it took another trip to get it right.

Looking forward...Chris

"Friends don't let friends ride with me"

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4

- -----Original Message-----
From: Brad Bedell [mailto:bbedell@texas.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 6:06 PM
To: stealth@starnet.net; stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Possible new shop

Hey everyone,

I am in the process of building a business plan to open a shop here locally
in Austin. I would very much appreciate if you would take a few moments and
answer a few of the following questions.

<snip>
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:34:36 -0600
From: "Todd D Shelton" <tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brians fall from grace

Arty,

Yes he knew last month that he would be leaving
and the partnership had been dissolved.
He would not leave peacefully in November
and it was agreed he would leave this month.
Even after being locked out of Portmaster's
building he was still going up to the parking lot
in front of the building to accept additional funds
paid up front for jobs that would never be completed.
My motor sat in a crate since July and was never touched
even though since Sept I had been receiving false reports
and updates that machine work, disassembly etc had been
completed when in fact my motor had never been removed
from the crate I had custom built to ship the motor to California.
There have been several crimes committed included fraud and embezzlement.
This is by far the worst I have ever been burned even if I added
up all the money I've ever lost.  He would say or promise
anything in order to get money paid up front - then spend the
money for his own personal desires.  He should be in prison
for the crimes he has committed.

- - tds

- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Aso8@aol.com <Aso8@aol.com>
    To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
    Cc: Aso8@aol.com <Aso8@aol.com>
    Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 10:02 AM
    Subject: Team3S: Brians fall from grace


    In addition to the exposed scandal...
    About a week ago I got a message from Brian. He had a super deal for me
(so he
    thought) Lucky for me, I did not think his deal was good enough. His
prices
    were always high. Sure as heck, the money would have been down the
drain. I
    can't imagine that he did not know then, what we know now. Brian, must
have
    intended to just steel the money.
    Arty 91 VR-4
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:40:24 -0600
From: "Todd D Shelton" <tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brians fall from grace

Would it help if I faxed you copies of my
payments made in June totaling THOUSANDS
of dollars along with a current picture and analysis
of my motor with the same 2 toasted pistons?
The owner of Portmasters has confirmed what
has already been discussed and MUCH more that
I have not revealed.  I have chosen to speak of only
what has happened to me personally but there is
clear evidence and documentation of MANY other
criminal offenses that have been committed.
Perhaps you need to be swindled out of a few
thousand yourself to understand?

- - tds

- -------------------------------------------------------
    -----Original Message-----
    From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca <wce@bc.sympatico.ca>
    To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
    Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 10:20 AM
    Subject: Re: Team3S: Brians fall from grace


    Hi group;

    Brian's situation is not enviable. However, a court has not been
convened nor a jury
    selected...ie he has not been proven guilty.  Everything is alleged at
this point, as
    the whole picture is not really known, albeit some large chunks have
been revealed.  He
    has been cut from the list by admin for protection of members and for
the protection of
    the list admin itself. What Brian did or didn't do, and what he does or
doesn't do to
    rectify the situation is all a matter of conjector. Just remember what
you print here in
    the form of accusations is in print..it's not alleged or word of mouth.
Better to let
    this one rest. And, as a reminder, you do not have to rip list members
off to be banned
    from this list...just start flaming away or plain being a jerk, and see
how long it
    lasts.

    Darc



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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:59:20 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Brians fall from grace

Todd...

I believe Darcy's point is that we (the list members) are neither the judge
nor jury and cannot help you recover any of the damages you may be seeking.
I believe Bob Forrest did the right thing in removing Brian from the list,
but debating the issues on the list is unproductive and potentially
damaging.

I am truly sorry that you were burnt. I suggest any discussions be taken
offline again, as you did with your first e-mail.

Looking forward...Chris

"Friends don't let friends ride with me"

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4

- -----Original Message-----
From: Todd D Shelton [mailto:tds@brightok.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 1998 8:40 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brians fall from grace


Would it help if I faxed you copies of my
payments made in June totaling THOUSANDS
of dollars along with a current picture and analysis
of my motor with the same 2 toasted pistons?
<snip>

- - tds

- -------------------------------------------------------
    -----Original Message-----
    From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca <wce@bc.sympatico.ca>
    To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
    Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 10:20 AM
    Subject: Re: Team3S: Brians fall from grace


    Hi group;

    Brian's situation is not enviable. However, a court has not been
convened nor a jury
    selected...ie he has not been proven guilty.  <snip>

    Darc

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:06:28 -0600
From: "Todd D Shelton" <tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brians fall from grace

Agreed - your point is taken
and I will refrain from even responding
to the messages posted on this list concerning
the matter as I have not posted any original
threads to the List(s) regarding the situation.

- - tds

OBSTEALTH - Mine is exactly where it was
last summer :)

- -----------------------------------------------------
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
    To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com' <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
    Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 10:59 AM
    Subject: RE: Team3S: Brians fall from grace


    Todd...


    I am truly sorry that you were burnt. I suggest any discussions be taken
    offline again, as you did with your first e-mail.



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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:42:16 -0600
From: "Todd D Shelton" <tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brians fall from grace

You may wish to speak for yourself on this point since
I have received outstanding legal references
and such from several members and it's
very much appreciated.

- - tds

StealthRTTT with phantom 3.5 liter 0 HP powerplant
- -----------------------------------------------------------
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
    To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com' <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
    Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 10:59 AM
    Subject: RE: Team3S: Brians fall from grace


    Todd...

    I believe Darcy's point is that we (the list members) are neither the
judge
    nor jury and cannot help you recover any of the damages you may be
seeking.


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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:00:15 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brians fall from grace

No arguement Todd. Your position is even less enviable than Brian's...mmm...no, not!! .
When things turn to shit like this, it's hard not to want to lynch someone...preferably
the guy responsible. Be aware, however,  that any sentient being who subscribes here,
has been dialed in,  not only through what has been said, but what has been left
unsaid,or what has been said on side channels (the latter two being volumnes). I think
you have a legion of unseen friends here, so do not dispair.

Darc

"May they who do ill to their comrades, inherit the consequences of their
actions"...20th Century Curse.

Todd D Shelton wrote:

> Would it help if I faxed you copies of my
> payments made in June totaling THOUSANDS
> of dollars along with a current picture and analysis
> of my motor with the same 2 toasted pistons?
> The owner of Portmasters has confirmed what
> has already been discussed and MUCH more that
> I have not revealed.  I have chosen to speak of only
> what has happened to me personally but there is
> clear evidence and documentation of MANY other
> criminal offenses that have been committed.
> Perhaps you need to be swindled out of a few
> thousand yourself to understand?
>
> - tds
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca <wce@bc.sympatico.ca>
>     To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
>     Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 10:20 AM
>     Subject: Re: Team3S: Brians fall from grace
>
>     Hi group;
>
>     Brian's situation is not enviable. However, a court has not been
> convened nor a jury
>     selected...ie he has not been proven guilty.  Everything is alleged at
> this point, as
>     the whole picture is not really known, albeit some large chunks have
> been revealed.  He
>     has been cut from the list by admin for protection of members and for
> the protection of
>     the list admin itself. What Brian did or didn't do, and what he does or
> doesn't do to
>     rectify the situation is all a matter of conjector. Just remember what
> you print here in
>     the form of accusations is in print..it's not alleged or word of mouth.
> Better to let
>     this one rest. And, as a reminder, you do not have to rip list members
> off to be banned
>     from this list...just start flaming away or plain being a jerk, and see
> how long it
>     lasts.
>
>     Darc
>
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:16:53 -0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S: The FINAL Word on GT Alley (Off-Topic)

>>>PLEASE, to protect Todd and Roger and others, take any further discussion
of this to PRIVATE emails, although subsequent developments may be posted in
way of warning...  Todd and Roger may choose to share updates, but we should
all be careful to keep discussions to ourselves.  There may be questions of
legal liability here, and we don't want to jeopardize any future actions.
If no one objects, I'll be editing out any references to these matters from
the digests, which are available for public view (unless someone has a
better idea for password access, etc).  According to our rules, private
emails should not be published either, so I'll just summarize what has
transpired.  If there are questions, feel free to email any of the admins
privately.  Thanks.<<<


Yesterday, I emailed Brian at GT Alley with a request for immediate
clarification on how he intended to handle what he owed to Todd and Roger.
I received a reply from him explaining his trials and tribulations with
Charles Hupp, who he claims is/was his partner, that he is out of money and
has no access to Todd's engine or Roger's parts.  The Team3S admins
conferred and GT Alley was removed from the list, as per our rules.  We sent
him a letter explaining that he had been removed because he had wronged at
least two of our subscribers, and that we would all be wary of the GT Alley
name and Charlie Hupp and Brian LaFuente until full restitution was made.

That ends our involvement.  Hopefully, Todd and Roger will keep us informed.


Bob Forrest
Admin, Team3S


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