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Team3S Digest       Thursday, December 10 1998       Volume 01 : Number 045




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Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 07:17:33 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Team3S: Hot Rod

Hi Group;

I caught the end of Hot Rod (the TV version sponsored by the magazine)
two days back. They were closing the programe as usual with a few items
one can puchase to upgrade any number of vehicles. The last item they
showcased (for 20 seconds maybe) was a hand held computer that they said
would do diagnositics on the new "modern computer operated cars". They
said a number of harnesses were available to plug into virtually any new
car modle out there. Because the piece  was so short I did not get a
name, and unlike all other merchandise showcased, they did not quote a
price...I suspect because if one has to ask, one cann't afford it.
Anyway, has anyone seen this same clip, or the product, heard of it,
etc...and will it work on our cars??

Darc

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Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 07:21:36 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Team3S: Correction

Correction....That is not a 5th wheel my Brother i n Law
owns...sorry...but about the same size (30-35 feet or thereabouts). If I
don't start of the day with a mistake or two, I don't feel normal. ; )

Darc

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Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 17:28:43 +0100
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Tow Vehicles

At the risk of perpetuating a somewhat 3Si-ish thread on this tech
group,  I'll add my $.02.  A four-door Explorer with the 5.0 V8 will do
okay towing a 3S/trailer combo, though you may have transmission
problems if you tow it extensively and handling could get a bit dicey.
If you bought an Explorer with the 3.0 or 4.0 V6 then it's going to be
that much harder on the engine and transmission.  A 5.2 or 5.9 V8
equipped Cherokee/Durango is only slightly better off than the 5.0 V8
Explorer, and I share Arty's fear of reliability considering the track
record of those vehicles.  Extreme Motorsports uses a 5.2 V8 Grand
Cherokee to tow Sean's Talon.  They apparently hate it and want to
replace it with something more appropriate/reliable, but it's gotten
them where they needed to go for quite some time.

Now, if you're planning to tow more frequently, say a few times a month,
then JEEPers is correct and a full-size truck is much more appropriate.
Before I left Maryland to come here to Germany earlier this year, I had
a '96 F-250 with the 7.3 PowerStroke turbo diesel V8 (I sure hated to
sell that truck but it would have been a nightmare over here on these
narrow European streets!).  I towed my Stealth (among other cars, once
two at a time) on a HUGE flatbed trailor and it was obvious that I had
the right vehicle for the job.  Probably overkill in your case, but
overkill is good when towing.  Any of the diesel pickups offered by the
big three are excellent for towing and, if properly maintained, will be
much more reliable and fuel efficient than gas engines with similar
capabilities.  I understand that the latest PowerStroke-equipped F250 is
now making 235 HP and 500 LB-FT of torque!  (Mine had 215/420.)

But that's not what you want to hear when you have a new Explorer
sitting in the driveway.  As I said, any of the long wheelbase V8
equipped sport-utes should be okay for occasional towing.  Just remember
that they have a high center of gravity and a relatively short
wheelbase, both characteristics undesireable for any tow vehicle.  Keep
the speed down and remember to let the vehicle idle for a few minutes
after towing so that the ATF doesn't cook.  Good luck!!

-Jim
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Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 12:01:18 -0600
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Hot Rod

There are a variety of 'scan tools' out there, Snap-On, etc...dunno how
well they work on our cars.

wce@bc.sympatico.ca wrote:
> Hot Rod TV showcased hand held computer that
> would do diagnositics on "modern computer operated cars". The
> harnesses were available for virtually any new
> car model.  I did not get name; did not quote
> price.  has anyone seen this and will it work on our cars?
> Darc
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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:32:48 -0600
From: "Oskar" <swede@pclink.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Tow Vehicles

Arty, here's the solution that will make it a breeze to tow your VR-4 with
the Explorer:  Strip the VR-4 of a 1000lbs!
- -----Original Message-----
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 10:41
Subject: Team3S: Re: Tow Vehicles


>At the risk of perpetuating a somewhat 3Si-ish thread on this tech
>group,  I'll add my $.02.  A four-door Explorer with the 5.0 V8 will do
>okay towing a 3S/trailer combo, though you may have transmission
>problems if you tow it extensively and handling could get a bit dicey.
>If you bought an Explorer with the 3.0 or 4.0 V6 then it's going to be
>that much harder on the engine and transmission.  A 5.2 or 5.9 V8
>equipped Cherokee/Durango is only slightly better off than the 5.0 V8
>Explorer, and I share Arty's fear of reliability considering the track
>record of those vehicles.  Extreme Motorsports uses a 5.2 V8 Grand
>Cherokee to tow Sean's Talon.  They apparently hate it and want to
>replace it with something more appropriate/reliable, but it's gotten
>them where they needed to go for quite some time.
>
>Now, if you're planning to tow more frequently, say a few times a month,
>then JEEPers is correct and a full-size truck is much more appropriate.
>Before I left Maryland to come here to Germany earlier this year, I had
>a '96 F-250 with the 7.3 PowerStroke turbo diesel V8 (I sure hated to
>sell that truck but it would have been a nightmare over here on these
>narrow European streets!).  I towed my Stealth (among other cars, once
>two at a time) on a HUGE flatbed trailor and it was obvious that I had
>the right vehicle for the job.  Probably overkill in your case, but
>overkill is good when towing.  Any of the diesel pickups offered by the
>big three are excellent for towing and, if properly maintained, will be
>much more reliable and fuel efficient than gas engines with similar
>capabilities.  I understand that the latest PowerStroke-equipped F250 is
>now making 235 HP and 500 LB-FT of torque!  (Mine had 215/420.)
>
>But that's not what you want to hear when you have a new Explorer
>sitting in the driveway.  As I said, any of the long wheelbase V8
>equipped sport-utes should be okay for occasional towing.  Just remember
>that they have a high center of gravity and a relatively short
>wheelbase, both characteristics undesireable for any tow vehicle.  Keep
>the speed down and remember to let the vehicle idle for a few minutes
>after towing so that the ATF doesn't cook.  Good luck!!
>
> -Jim
>--
>Jim Matthews - Wiesbaden, Germany
>matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (64 Kbps ISDN)
>http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews
>
>*** 3000GT-Stealth International (3Si) Member #0030 ***
>http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews/stealth.html
>Jet Black '94 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
>Adjustable Active Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
>K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 70/84% BADC)
>A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Bosch Winged Wipers
>Magnecore spark plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
>Metal Matrix brake pads, custom braided brake lines
>Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, TS (so far): 166mph
>G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
>
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>

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Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 22:19:20 -0500
From: josesini <josesini@engin.umich.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Brake Pads and speedbleeders?

Does anyone know where I can get any of the following Brake Pads for our
cars?
and is there one better than another.  My purpose is street and
occasional track days.

Porterfield R4S,
Performance Friction Z, 
KVR carbon fiber,
Hawk HPS, or
Pagid/Racing

Oh yeah, I forgot, I have a 92 Stealth TT.

Regarding the speedbleeders, I put an order last time I changed my brake
fluid and I got 4 identical speedbleeders.  They only fit in the front
calipers, so the rears still have the original bleeders.

Does anyone know the right size for the rear speedbleeders?  Or if
anyone wants to buy 4 rear bleeders, I will trade him my 2 extra front
bleeders (new never installed) for 2 new rear ones.

Jose

Jose
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:29:26 +1100 (EST)
From: George Kuo <amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brake Pads and speedbleeders?

Porterfield you can get direct from them at 714-548-4470.  The R4 is
made of carbon kevlar, very high heat tolerance, and very streetable,
no need to heat up, and easy on the rotors. R4S is more of a street pad.




- ---josesini <josesini@engin.umich.edu> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know where I can get any of the following Brake Pads for
our
> cars?
> and is there one better than another.  My purpose is street and
> occasional track days.
>
> Porterfield R4S,
> Performance Friction Z, 
> KVR carbon fiber,
> Hawk HPS, or
> Pagid/Racing
>
> Oh yeah, I forgot, I have a 92 Stealth TT.
>
> Regarding the speedbleeders, I put an order last time I changed my
brake
> fluid and I got 4 identical speedbleeders.  They only fit in the front
> calipers, so the rears still have the original bleeders.
>
> Does anyone know the right size for the rear speedbleeders?  Or if
> anyone wants to buy 4 rear bleeders, I will trade him my 2 extra front
> bleeders (new never installed) for 2 new rear ones.
>
> Jose
>
> Jose
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:15:02 +0000
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brake Pads and speedbleeders?

Jose,

If you are running stock rotors you'll running into danger to warp them due to
the hard pads. The rotors will just getting way too hot !

> Performance Friction Z,

They are good for the stock rotors (Jim has them)

> KVR carbon fiber,

Good for racing but a lot of dust and I don't know how the wear of the rotors
will then be.

> Hawk HPS, or
> Pagid/Racing

Dunno about the Hawks but the Pagids are aggressive ones. Together with the
Bremsa rotors they work good when they have to bite. The stock rotors cannot
withstand them !

I'll test the new japanese Formula 3 pads with the Pagids next year in the hope
that the light warping feeling when braking softly will go away.

- -----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:29:36 +1100 (EST)
From: George Kuo <amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brake Pads and speedbleeders?

Porterfield you can get direct from them at 714-548-4470.  The R4 is
made of carbon kevlar, very high heat tolerance, and very streetable,
no need to heat up, and easy on the rotors. R4S is more of a street pad.




- ---josesini <josesini@engin.umich.edu> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know where I can get any of the following Brake Pads for
our
> cars?
> and is there one better than another.  My purpose is street and
> occasional track days.
>
> Porterfield R4S,
> Performance Friction Z, 
> KVR carbon fiber,
> Hawk HPS, or
> Pagid/Racing
>
> Oh yeah, I forgot, I have a 92 Stealth TT.
>
> Regarding the speedbleeders, I put an order last time I changed my
brake
> fluid and I got 4 identical speedbleeders.  They only fit in the front
> calipers, so the rears still have the original bleeders.
>
> Does anyone know the right size for the rear speedbleeders?  Or if
> anyone wants to buy 4 rear bleeders, I will trade him my 2 extra front
> bleeders (new never installed) for 2 new rear ones.
>
> Jose
>
> Jose
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>

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:09:34 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Tow Vehicles

Exactly. Now that's a great idea. Btw, I was looking at a trailor and found
out the steel trailors weighs about 1700 lbs. That plus the car is more then I
could tow. I'm told there are "free spinning hubs" that can be used? I don't
know if these are usable but anyone know something about it?
Arty 91 VR-4

In a message dated 12/9/98 5:36:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, swede@pclink.com
writes:

<< Subj: Re: Team3S: Re: Tow Vehicles
 Date: 12/9/98 5:36:23 PM Pacific Standard Time
 From: swede@pclink.com (Oskar)
 Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 Reply-to: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 
 Arty, here's the solution that will make it a breeze to tow your VR-4 with
 the Explorer:  Strip the VR-4 of a 1000lbs!
 - >>
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