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November 28 1998 Volume 01 : Number
035
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Date:
Fri, 27 Nov 1998 01:12:54 -0800
From: Dave Allison <dave@languys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Datalogger ??
Here's an excerpt of the correspondence between myself and
the guys that
make the Datalogger:
>To: 'Dave Allison' <dave@languys.com>
>Subject: RE:
Datalogger
>
>>I'm interested in purchasing your Datalogger
product for my 1993
>>Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4.
>
>I have not
tried it on a 1993 3000, but I don't really see why it wouldn't
>work,
>if the connectors are the same.
>
>>Could
you tell me what
>>data signals are monitored with my particular car?
Is it the same data
>>features displayed on the DSM
unit?
>
>You should be able to get all the features currently listed
of the DSM.
Except
>that you can turn off 6 cylinders, instead of just
four! I actually developed
>the code on a 1990 3000 ECU I had laying
around.
>
>Actually, I'm not sure if I've sold one to a 3S car
yet. There might be some
>small bugs not shaken out for them, but I
will fix them as you find them.
>
>>You also mention on your site
that there is some type of bug when dealing
>>with Mitsubishi ECU's
regarding runnning in diagnostic mode and the ABS.
>>Does this problem
occur with the 3000GT also?
>
>Probably.
>
>>Can the
ABS service light be
>>reset by disconnecting the battery leads, thus
resetting the ECU, or must I
>>follow the directions you mention on
your site to reset the ABS indicator?
>
>You will have to put a
switch on this pink wire that comes out of the ABS
unit.
>I suspect
that the wiring colors are the same for the 3S, as they probably use
>the
same ABS unit. I have a diagram for what to do with a DSM. I can
send
>that
>to you and you can compare it to your service
manual.
>
>>Virtual gauges
>
>Not done
yet.
>
>>Can export to any spreadsheet
program
>
>done.
>
>>Can take a snapshot in PNG
format for easy publishing on the
Web
>
>done.
>
>>Any special instructions or notes
when installing on my particular model car?
>
>Isn't the diag
connector actually in the same place? Aside from the
fuse
>numbering, I think you can use the instructions I posted for the 1G
DSM.
>
>>P.S. Is it possible to swing some type of group discount
if I rounded up
>>some members from the several 3000GT/Stealth lists on
the Internet?
>
>My business partner and I are considering
this. We might do something like
>this
>during the month of
December.
>
>-todd-
At 12:24 PM 11/26/98 , you
wrote:
>Anybody aware of the TMO Datalogger (PC connected to the 1st-gen)
? I emailed
>them twice but never got any feedback. A friend named Lowell
Foo told me
>that he
>tried it on a friends Stealth and it worked
pretty
well.
>
>Thanks,
>Roger
>
>-----------------------
>Roger
Gerl, Switzerland
>93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
>K&N
FIPK,Magnecor wires,Blitz DSBC/gauge/Dual Timer,Apexi AFC,SBOV,
>Borla,OZ
Mito2,Yoko AVS-Z1,braided brake lines,Bremsa brakes,Pagid RS-R
pads
>
>Visit my homepage under: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/9589/
>
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Date:
Fri, 27 Nov 1998 01:27:07 -0800
From: Dave Allison <dave@languys.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Alterations for boost increase
Oops!
Intended to include this with
my previous post.
http://www.tmo.com/prod/datalog/datalogger.htm
Dave
Allison
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Date:
Fri, 27 Nov 1998 08:56:27 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Alterations for boost increase
Dave, Barry, Roger,
etc.
I will be getting a TMO Datalogger in the next couple of
weeks. I got a
special deal on it since I provided Todd Day with my MAF
a couple years ago.
Todd is a hard guy to get a hold of since he's
thinking, eating, sleeping
DSMs non-stop, 24-hours a day. He runs an
extensive DSM site, continually
tinkers with ECU-related projects and works
an unrelated 8- or more hour job
each day. Quite a guy,
actually.
Be persistent. I had to e-mail him 3 or 4 times to get
his attention.
- -Bob
> Intended to include this with my
previous post.
>
> http://www.tmo.com/prod/datalog/datalogger.htm
>
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Date:
Fri, 27 Nov 1998 06:49:33 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Alterations for boost increase
Andrew J Clark
wrote:
> Anybody else who has run an increased boost level for
a long period
> without problems could you please also
comment.
Andrew....I just installed an new Apexi SAVC-R and
did much of the same group
questioning as you are exploring now. My
conservative conclusions were to set my BC at
1 bar @68% and 1.05 bar
@70%. Others have higher settings... but it seemed that 1.10
bar and
above was where the detonation was initially being detected. Since it
doesn't
take much of this, even if it occurs only once in the while, to ruin
an engine, I have
opted to run safe. Hope this
helps.
Darcy
Victoria BC.
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Date:
Sat, 28 Nov 1998 09:56:53 +1100
From: Andrew J Clark <chemist1@ozemail.com.au>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Alterations for boost increase/safe boost levels
Barry E.
King wrote:
>
> Too much boost means more than 16 psi on 92+ pump
for any significant length
> of time.
Unfortunately, down here we're
not givin the octane rating of the fuel
you can only buy regualar unleaded
petrol & what they call "premium"
unleaded petrol. I've always used
premium. I should (& will) contact
Shell or one of the other major
manufacturers & ask what rating the
premium actually is. Anyway I am only
looking at increasing the boost to
around 13psi so from what I can gather I
would have to really mistreat
the car to do any damage at that boost
level.
Andrew
Australia
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Date:
Sat, 28 Nov 1998 10:11:30 +1100
From: Andrew J Clark <chemist1@ozemail.com.au>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Alterations for boost increase
> Andrew....I just
installed an new Apexi SAVC-R and did much of the same group
>
questioning as you are exploring now. My conservative conclusions were to set
my BC at
> 1 bar @68% and 1.05 bar @70%. Others have higher
settings... but it seemed that 1.10
> bar and above was where the
detonation was initially being detected. Since it doesn't
> take
much of this, even if it occurs only once in the while, to ruin an engine, I
have
> opted to run safe. Hope this helps.
>
> Darcy
>
> Victoria BC.
Darcy,
Could you please explain 1 bar @0.68% ,
this has to do with airflow at 1
bar, yes? How important is this when
increasing the boost to lower
levels, say 12-14psi ie do you have to alter
airflow at these lower
levels? I plan to have the boost increased to about
13psi without doing
much else to the car apart from a K&N , any thoughts?
I dont want ( or
would probably do some real damage with ) a 400plus HP car.
I'm looking
at around mid 300's, just a bit more poke.
Any other comments
most appreciated.
Thanks
Andrew
Australia
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Date:
Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:36:34 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Alterations for boost increase/safe boost levels
Andrew,
Bes sure
to ask which method they are using to calculate the octane rating
and in
which rating mechanism they are quoting the numbers.
Here in the US
octane is rated as (R + M) / 2 which is the average of
reasearch and motor
octane. Europe and other countries do it a little
differently. It
is important if possible to get both the R and the M
numbers since the motor
octane component is the one most likely to suppress
knock. All 93
octanes using R+M are not created
equally.
Regards,
Barry
> -----Original
Message-----
> Barry E. King wrote:
> >
> > Too much
boost means more than 16 psi on 92+ pump for any
> significant
length
> > of time.
> Unfortunately, down here we're not givin
the octane rating of the fuel
> you can only buy regualar unleaded petrol
& what they call "premium"
> unleaded petrol. I've always used
premium. I should (& will) contact
> Shell or one of the other major
manufacturers & ask what rating the
> premium actually is. Anyway I am
only looking at increasing the boost to
> around 13psi so from what I can
gather I would have to really mistreat
> the car to do any damage at that
boost level.
> Andrew
> Australia
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Date:
Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:42:42 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Alterations for boost increase
I'd like to comment on this BADC quoting
thing.
Podium please.
The "@70%" is the boost actuator duty
setting for the SAVC-R. It is a
COMPLETELY irrelevant number to anyone
without an Apex'i SAVC'R. I find it
superfluous information that only
tends to confuse people and bring up
rehashed discussions on what BADC really
means.
Okay, off the podium.
Carry
on.
Barry
> -----Original Message-----
> >
Andrew....I just installed an new Apexi SAVC-R and did much
>
of the same group
> > questioning as you are exploring now. My
conservative
> conclusions were to set my BC at
> > 1 bar
@68% and 1.05 bar @70%. Others have higher settings...
> but it
seemed that 1.10
> > bar and above was where the detonation was
initially being
> detected. Since it doesn't
> > take much
of this, even if it occurs only once in the while, to
> ruin an engine, I
have
> > opted to run safe. Hope this helps.
> >
> >
Darcy
> >
> > Victoria BC.
>
> Darcy,
>
Could you please explain 1 bar @0.68% , this has to do with airflow at 1
>
bar, yes? How important is this when increasing the boost to lower
>
levels, say 12-14psi ie do you have to alter airflow at these lower
>
levels? I plan to have the boost increased to about 13psi without doing
>
much else to the car apart from a K&N , any thoughts? I dont want (
or
> would probably do some real damage with ) a 400plus HP car. I'm
looking
> at around mid 300's, just a bit more poke.
> Any other
comments most appreciated.
> Thanks
> Andrew
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Date:
Fri, 27 Nov 1998 17:27:07 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Alterations for boost increase
Barry E. King wrote:
>
I'd like to comment on this BADC quoting thing.
>
> Podium
please.
>
> The "@70%" is the boost actuator duty setting for the
SAVC-R. It is a
> COMPLETELY irrelevant number to anyone without an
Apex'i SAVC'R. I find it
> superfluous information that only tends
to confuse people and bring up
> rehashed discussions on what BADC really
means.
>
> Okay, off the podium.
>
> Carry
on.
Whew...glad we cleared that up..but Barry is right...it's irrelevant
information for
anyone running another brand of BC. So my 2c worth is
reduced to noting that I am
running at 14.223 psi which is slightly under 1
bar on my first setting (which for my
purposes I quoted as 1 bar) The second
setting of 1.05 bar (again actually under this)
is for all purposes,
conservative again. Like yourself Andrew, I am running only a K&N
air
injection system as my only other mod. I solicited all the advise I could get
from
users of Apexi and decided to set my unit as noted to insure engine
reliablitiy (read
last-ability). Both Jim in Germany and Barry in Scottsdale
contributed to this decision,
and I tended to lean a bit towards Barry's
conservative end of the spectrum advise,
until all the dust settles from the
meltdowns.
Hope that helps a bit...I'm certain both Jim and Barry can
advise on Apexi better than
I (I have had it only a short while) and
certainly users of Blitz (like Roger) and the
other brands can advise if you
note what you have. In conclusion...buy a couple bottles
of octane boost and
have them in the trunk for those times when you think you may want
to put
your foot into it.
Best
Darc
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Date:
Sat, 28 Nov 1998 01:24:12 -0500
From: Nathan Crisman <jonescri@accessgate.net>
Subject:
Team3S: TRE MASC
Hello all.
I just bought a TT
stealth (stock now 92 blue 52K), but I previosly
had an Eagle Talon AWD
turbo. I own a TRE MASC 70mm conversion for that
car, and have had nothing
but great things to say about it...I agree
with Barry, the masc doesn't cause
anything to happen that the tuner
doesn't tell it to do. It's by far
the smartest design of fuel
controler Iv ever seen. The range of
adjustablility and the built in
guages and peak hold make it heads above the
VPC/GCC combo (and was
cheaper).
Also...after this
talk of advanced tuning on the 3k's and blown up
motors, Iv got a strange
problem: My spedometer reads from 10-15 mph
slower than actual
speed. This was verified by "tailing" other cars at
a set speed, and by
"time per distance" on the highway markers. If
anyone can give me a
list of possible causes, Id love to hear it.
Nathan Crisman
91 Talon
AWD turbo
92 Stealth RT TT
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Date:
Sat, 28 Nov 1998 01:45:27 -0500
From: Nathan Crisman <jonescri@accessgate.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Which cat-back
I almoast forgot, What is the general
thought on the Borla Exhaust for
the TT's? I have access to them at
wholesale, (keystone automotive) Im
only planning on doing the complete
exhaust, airfilter, boost, and?
what else is necessary at this point? fuel
pump? How far can you go on
stock injectors?
sorry for the "basic"
questions, but I haven't found a good site with
solid modifying information
"staged upgrades" on the 3k's.
Nathan Crisman
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Date:
Fri, 27 Nov 1998 23:58:48 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Which cat-back
I think the Borla is the best bang for the buck short of a
custom exhaust.
It sounds good, looks good (IMO) and is cheap even at
retail. I bought mine
from Jeg's for $469 USD + truck freight. I
am sure you could have one made
that would work just as well for around that
but likely not in stainless.
Filter, exhaust and boost control of some
sort should get you up there. The
stock injectors are 360cc/min which
limits safe HP to around 400 (maybe
less) without maxing them out.
Bumping up the fuel pressure and making sure
the fuel filter is performing at
optimun will help. You could also wire the
pump directly to the battery
to get a little more out of it withou shelling
out for a big
pump.
Despite dyno results discovered by another list member, I did
show
improvement in power with filter and exhaust according to my
G-tech.
Bumping up the boost helps a lot once those mods are in
place.
Check out www.3000gt.com for
some more modification ideas. The site is not
finished yet but may get
your creative juices flowing.
Regards,
Barry
>
-----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On
Behalf Of Nathan Crisman
> Sent: Friday, November 27, 1998 11:45
PM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
Subject: Team3S: Which cat-back
>
>
> I almoast forgot,
What is the general thought on the Borla Exhaust for
> the TT's? I
have access to them at wholesale, (keystone automotive) Im
> only planning
on doing the complete exhaust, airfilter, boost, and?
> what else is
necessary at this point? fuel pump? How far can you go on
> stock
injectors?
>
> sorry for the "basic" questions, but I haven't found
a good site with
> solid modifying information "staged upgrades" on the
3k's.
>
> Nathan Crisman
>
> For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is
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Date:
Sat, 28 Nov 1998 19:23:23 +1100
From: Andrew Clark <chemist1@ozemail.com.au>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Alterations for boost increase
Thanks guys , imparticular
Barry , Roger & Darc for the advice.
Car is booked in for Thursday this
coming week to get the boost increaed
......I can't
wait!
Andrew
Australia
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Date:
Sat, 28 Nov 1998 10:02:36 -0500
From: "Bob Rand" <rtr@vnet.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: TRE
MASC
Dodge was aware of this problem, Apperantly the speedometer
gear ratio was
incorrect. Solution in the service manual is replace the
speedo gear.
Bob
93 Stealth TT
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Nathan Crisman <jonescri@accessgate.net>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date:
Saturday, November 28, 1998 1:24 AM
Subject: Team3S: TRE
MASC
>Hello all.
>
> I just bought a
TT stealth (stock now 92 blue 52K), but I previosly
>had an Eagle Talon
AWD turbo. I own a TRE MASC 70mm conversion for that
>car, and have had
nothing but great things to say about it...I agree
>with Barry, the masc
doesn't cause anything to happen that the tuner
>doesn't tell it to
do. It's by far the smartest design of fuel
>controler Iv ever
seen. The range of adjustablility and the built in
>guages and peak
hold make it heads above the VPC/GCC combo (and
was
>cheaper).
>
> Also...after this talk of
advanced tuning on the 3k's and blown up
>motors, Iv got a strange
problem: My spedometer reads from 10-15 mph
>slower than
actual speed. This was verified by "tailing" other cars at
>a set
speed, and by "time per distance" on the highway markers. If
>anyone
can give me a list of possible causes, Id love to hear it.
>
>Nathan
Crisman
>91 Talon AWD turbo
>92 Stealth RT TT
>
>For
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>
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