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Date:
Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:25:35 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: 15G turbo advice request
Hi,
I got my 15Gs from
TEC. They are Mitsubishi 13Gs with 15G wheels. Cost me
over $2K
-- $2200 or $2300 + shipping, I think. Installed myself and
it
took
a weekend.
- -Bob
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Date:
Mon, 23 Nov 1998 09:45:36 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
15G turbo advice request
I bought my 15Gs from Miami International in
FL. They cost me roughly
$1800. They differ from other 15Gs I
have seen in that they do NOT have a
tapered bore on the compressor housing
inlet. This was what Dave B. was
going on about on the other list a few
weeks back how TEC et al turbos were
so restrictive and how this mod would
revolutionize how the 15Gs were built.
Mine came that way from day 1 when I
bought them many many months ago. In
fact it surprised me to know that
other manufacturers tapered the bore in
the first place.
The only
thing about the MI turbos is that they are not VSR balanced.
After
talking to a few people about VSR I decided that it was an
unnecessary
process evidenced by the fact that a number of respected turbo
manufacturers
(not turbo resellers but actual designers and builders of the
turbos) do not
even use the process. There are literally only a handful
(less than 6) of
VSR facilities in the country. While theoretically
better, it seems to me
that it is simply not required and likely won't make a
practical difference
in turbo longevity that any of us will ever see.
According to MI there is
no measurable difference in performance and that
benefits can only be
realized over the long term. Considering modern
turbos without VSR
balancing can last 80-100K miles in the first place it
doesn't seem
necessary.
MI will do all the mods to the turbos you
desire including clipping but they
are not fans of clipping. They feel
that flow can be enhanced to achieve a
similar effect that clipping achieves
by porting which is the route I chose.
They also supposedly have some new
process they apply to the impeller which
allegedly enhances flow and
compressor efficiency.
Miami International Components
142 W.
29th Street
Hialeah, FL
33012
Davis: 305 888-3015
FAX: 305
883-0173
Regards,
Barry
> -----Original
Message-----
>
> Howdy folks...
>
> For those of you out
there in TT land who have upgraded to 15G
> turbos, could you help me out
with some advice?
>
> What brand did you buy?
> From
whom?
> How much?
> If you installed them yourself, how long did it
take?
>
> THANKS!!!
>
> Looking
forward...Chris
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Date:
Mon, 23 Nov 1998 09:33:11 -0800
From: "GT ALLEY" <thegtalley@email.msn.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: HKS GT-2835 Turbos & GT-368SX Turbos
To answer Pete's
question, the HKS 2835 set-up is a nice one, although it is
VERY pricey. As
far as flow caractaristics are concerned our GT-368SX turbos
are up to the
challenge. These are "Hybrids", and will bolt on to your
existing exhaust
manifolds. We do suggest of the manifolds (or headers), to
optimize flow to
the turbine section. Our turbine section is different from
the other turbos
out there, 15G's etc. The GT368SX is a very big unit and
barely fits into the
space under the hood. They exhibit about 300rpm's more
lag but provide a
whopping top end punch (no boost drop-off). In a
properlytuned and matched
vehicle, you will never feel power go away, even
passed the rev limiter. Most
of our cars with this set-up run a 8000 rpm rev
limit as the turbos are still
pulling at this rpm.
Hope this sheds some light on the
subject.
Thanks,
Brian@
The GT ALLEY
3/S Performance
Central
- -----Original Message-----
From: Palamara, Peter <pala@gwl.com>
To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date:
Sunday, November 22, 1998 5:28 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: HKS GT-2835 Turbos
& GT-368SX Turbos
>Arty, the hks 2835 is what bozz speed sells
for their upgrade, its a
>huge ballbearing turbo that will set you back in
your seat just for the
>price of one (about I think 3500 per turbo). Henry
said that these kits
>from bozz speed were going for a nice healthy price
of 12,000 to 15,000
>for the whole setup! I have no idea on the gt-alley
ones, Brian want to
>share some info?????
>
>
>>
-----Original Message-----
>> From: Aso8@aol.com [SMTP:Aso8@aol.com]
>> Sent:
Saturday, November 21, 1998 8:53 PM
>> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>>
Cc: Aso8@aol.com
>> Subject: Team3S:
HKS GT-2835 Turbos & GT-368SX Turbos
>>
>>
>> HKS
GT-2835 Turbos. Anyone have some more details on these turbos?
>> Also,
on GT Alleys GT-368SX Turbos...Anyone running these?
>> I'm trying to
compare the two.
>> Arty 91 VR-4
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Date:
Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:33:52 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: 15G turbo advice request
In the predawn dimness of the late
twentieth century Barry E. King wrote:
> ... Considering modern
turbos without VSR
> balancing can last 80-100K miles in the first place
it doesn't seem
> necessary.
Ouch Barry!! Are you saying I'm in for
a drain on some major pocket change shortly...or
is this aggresive
80-100K's ...or, are you saying miles there? It's unclear which.
Either
way, has anyone (how about ole red before his demise) squeezed a few
more
K's/miles out of these suckers than that?? I know, I know, if you cann't
afford it, you
shouldn't be driving it...which begs the question of 2 dollar
aquarium valves.
Darcy
92 TT Stealth
PS. What If.... Insurance
Companies started to monitor lists like this and you got
surprise premium
increases in the mail, based on your posted mods..... Okay, okay,
I'll
shut up!! : )
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Date:
Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:47:38 -0700
From: "Palamara, Peter" <pala@gwl.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: 15G
turbo advice request
If that was the case jeesh I'll be in for a big
suprise x-mas present...
I have had my ihi hybrids from Tec for this one
summer of running the
car and have no problems with them. And these where
complete hand
manufactured, the compressors had to be specially made
since ihi's use
a different shaft(larger) than the mistu's. So I think they
will last
for along time from now. Very reputable company.
Pete
Palamara
92 3000vr-4(GTO)
500 hp of Fun
(303)689-4733
>
PS. What If.... Insurance Companies started to monitor lists like this
>
and you got
> surprise premium increases in the mail, based on your posted
mods.....
> Okay, okay, I'll
> shut up!! : )
>
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Date:
Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:11:09 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
15G turbo advice request
That was a conservative life in miles for
typical turbos. Many people have
over 100K miles without any turbo
problems. I would them to last less if
they are spinning a lot of the
time.
Barry
> -----Original Message-----
>
> In
the predawn dimness of the late twentieth century Barry E. King
wrote:
>
> > ... Considering modern turbos without
VSR
> > balancing can last 80-100K miles in the first place it doesn't
seem
> > necessary.
>
> Ouch Barry!! Are you saying I'm in
for a drain on some major
> pocket change shortly...or
> is
this aggresive 80-100K's ...or, are you saying miles there?
> It's
unclear which.
> Either way, has anyone (how about ole red before his
demise)
> squeezed a few more
> K's/miles out of these suckers than
that?? I know, I know, if you
> cann't afford it, you
> shouldn't be
driving it...which begs the question of 2 dollar
> aquarium
valves.
>
> Darcy
> 92 TT Stealth
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Date:
Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:48:58 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Team3S: K
miles
Yo team;
Someone please wash away my ignorance and explain K
Miles to me? I was
under the impression that K was kilometeres, and Miles was
miles, and
until now I thought of K Miles was just an improprer blending of
the two
terms. Barry used the term(s) recently in a post, and I have just
had
another private post using the same designation. ??????? It must
mean
more than I am aware of. So for the benifit of this crazy Canuck and
any
others who are similarly confused, please dispell the
ignorance.
Darc
92 TT ...smoking fast now...seat of the
pants fun.
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Date:
Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:04:12 -0500
From: "Bob Rand" <rtr@vnet.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: K
miles
1000 = 1k
- -----Original Message-----
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca <wce@bc.sympatico.ca>
To: Team3S
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date:
Monday, November 23, 1998 8:53 PM
Subject: Team3S: K miles
>Yo
team;
>
>Someone please wash away my ignorance and explain K Miles
to me? I was
>under the impression that K was kilometeres, and Miles was
miles, and
>until now I thought of K Miles was just an improprer blending
of the two
>terms. Barry used the term(s) recently in a post, and I have
just had
>another private post using the same designation. ???????
It must mean
>more than I am aware of. So for the benifit of this crazy
Canuck and any
>others who are similarly confused, please dispell the
ignorance.
>
>Darc
>
>92 TT ...smoking fast
now...seat of the pants fun.
>
>For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is
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Date:
Mon, 23 Nov 1998 20:05:38 -0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@texas.net>
Subject: Team3S: K
miles= thousand miles
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Date:
Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:19:53 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: K
miles
A "K" is 1000 somethings. K as in 1000 (1024 in the computer
world).
So 1 K miles = 1000 miles
$1K =
$1000
etc...
Km is the abbreviation for
kilometers.
Barry
> -----Original Message-----
>
Yo team;
>
> Someone please wash away my ignorance and explain K
Miles to me? I was
> under the impression that K was kilometeres, and
Miles was miles, and
> until now I thought of K Miles was just an
improprer blending of the two
> terms. Barry used the term(s) recently in
a post, and I have just had
> another private post using the same
designation. ??????? It must mean
> more than I am aware of. So for
the benifit of this crazy Canuck and any
> others who are similarly
confused, please dispell the ignorance.
>
> Darc
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Date:
Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:23:14 -0500
From: "Bill Miller" <millebi@kw.igs.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: K miles
You are correct in that K = kilometres... it also means
Thousand.
Therefore 102K Miles = 102,000 Miles.
and
thus... 102K K = 102,000 Kilometers = 102,000,000 Meters!!
Standard metric "divisions"
:
Exa - 1 x 10^
18
(Holy crap ... humungous)
Peta - 1 x 10^
15
(Huge !!!)
Tera - 1,000,000,000,000
(Trillion)
Giga -
1,000,000,000
(Billion)
Mega -
1,000,000
(Million)
Kilo -
1,000
(Thousand)
- ---
One of course (Metre,
Byte, bit, etc...)
milli -
1/1000
(Thousanth)
micro -
1/1,000,000
(Millionth) [micron]
nano -
1/1,000,000,000
(Billionth)
pico - 1/1,000,000,000,000
(Trillionth)
femto -
1/10^15
(Too small)
(I may have left out one between Pico and femto... but you
get my drift.)
I put in the extras in case anyone was interested in
knowing the standard computer talk
for MB, GB, and TB (Mega Bytes, Giga
Bytes, and Tera Bytes), not to be confused with Mb,
Gb and Tb (Mega bits,
Giga bits, and Tera bits).
Also in "Computer speak" 1 K isn't actually
1,000 it's 1024 (2^10) and a Mega Byte is
1048576 Bytes (2^20), although
most people talk about Meg and Gig meaning "Round Meg" or
1,000,000 and
1,000,000,000 Bytes respectively.
Bill
91 TT "Old Red"
On 23
Nov 98, at 17:48, wce@bc.sympatico.ca
wrote:
> Someone please wash away my ignorance and explain K Miles to me?
I was
> under the impression that K was kilometeres, and Miles was miles,
and
> until now I thought of K Miles was just an improprer blending of the
two
> terms. Barry used the term(s) recently in a post, and I have just
had
> another private post using the same designation.
>
>
Darc
Humpty Dumpty was pushed...
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Date:
Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:08:28 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: K miles
Bill Miller and 1 K others wrote:
> You are
correct in that K = kilometres... it also means Thousand.
>
Duh,
yeah okay I get it !! What was I thinking...guess I wasn't.
BTW
there were whole bunch of you silent until a minute ago :
)
Best
Darc
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Date:
Mon, 23 Nov 1998 23:42:38 -0600
From: Jeff Crabtree <wjcrabtree@sprintmail.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: K miles
Bill Miller wrote:
> You are correct in
that K = kilometres... it also means Thousand.
>
> Therefore 102K
Miles = 102,000 Miles.
> and thus... 102K K = 102,000
Kilometers = 102,000,000 Meters!!
>
> Standard metric
"divisions" :
>
> Exa - 1
x 10^
18
(Holy crap ... humungous)
> Peta - 1 x
10^
15
(Huge !!!)
> Tera -
1,000,000,000,000 (Trillion)
> Giga -
1,000,000,000 (Billion)
>
Mega -
1,000,000
(Million)
> Kilo -
1,000
(Thousand)
>
--- One of
course (Metre, Byte, bit,
etc...)
> milli -
1/1000
(Thousanth)
> micro -
1/1,000,000
(Millionth) [micron]
> nano -
1/1,000,000,000 (Billionth)
>
pico - 1/1,000,000,000,000
(Trillionth)
> femto -
1/10^15
(Too small)
>
Jeeze Bill.....the guy asks what time it is and you
tell him how to build a clock. I have
to admit though that was a rather
cool explaination.
- --
- -Jeff Crabtree
'91
Stealth R/T Turbo(A.K.A. parking lot paperweight right
now)
'93 Jeep YJ Wrangler
Sport
St. Louis,
MO
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Date:
Mon, 23 Nov 1998 23:48:06 -0600
From: Jeff Crabtree <wjcrabtree@sprintmail.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: 15G turbo advice request
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Barry E. King
wrote:
> That was a conservative life in miles for typical
turbos. Many people have
> over 100K miles without any turbo
problems. I would them to last less if
> they are spinning a lot of
the time.
>
My car has 149(K),000 on it and up until last monday,
the turbo's were still kickin'
although the back one has had a slight oil
leak in it for a LONG time now. There was a
slight oil film on the
inside of the piping going to the intercooler. Never really
caused a
performance problem though.
- --
- -Jeff Crabtree
'91
Stealth R/T Turbo(fubar)
'93 Jeep YJ Wrangler
Sport
St. Louis,
MO
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<P>Barry E. King
wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>That was a conservative life in miles for
typical
turbos. Many people have
<BR>over 100K miles
without any turbo problems. I would them to last
less
if
<BR>they are spinning a lot of the time.
<BR><A
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My
car has 149(K),000 on it and up until last monday, the turbo's were
still
kickin' although the back one has had a slight oil leak in it for
a LONG time
now. There was a slight oil film on the inside of the
piping going
to the intercooler. Never really caused a performance
problem
though.
<P>--
<BR>-Jeff
Crabtree
<BR> '91 Stealth R/T
Turbo(fubar)
<BR> '93
Jeep YJ Wrangler
Sport
<BR>
St. Louis, MO
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Date:
Mon, 23 Nov 1998 22:01:27 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Team3S: Re
Old Red
Jeff Crabtree wrote:
>>
>
> My car has
149(K),000 on it and up until last monday, the turbo's were
> still
kickin' although the back one has had a slight oil leak in it
> for a LONG
time now. There was a slight oil film on the inside of the
> piping
going to the intercooler. Never really caused a performance
>
problem though.
Now that sounds better. Thanks Jeff....the sweating has
stopped. I may
not get that much out of mine (I hope so
though) but until your post I
was beginning to think I'd have to start
putting some serious coin
aside. I just bought the Apexi, am now upgrading
the computer (so I can
have a site like some you guys) and suddenly, I
saw my bank account
passing before my eyes. The muscles have nearly relaxed
now....I think
I'll be okay.
Best
Darc
92 TT Stealth
(40K K's)
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Date:
Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:10:48 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Arty's 11 Second
VR-4 monster for sale.
For anyone seriously interested E-mail me &
I'll send you the details. The
only thing it needs is a clutch and I'm going
to include a brand new one with
the sale. If you act immediately you can
choose the clutch. It has about 637HP
runs 11.41 @ 124.32 MPH last run in
October 17. I guaranty it runs low 11 no
problem. Comes with six 18 inch
chrome rims, four 17 inch alum alloy 8 tires &
many parts. Street legal
with new High flow cat included. Price is $22500.00.
Located in NY
area.
For everybody else, If I sell this one, I want to build a track
car. What I
have to do to my VR-4 is to butcher it. Its much to beautiful for
that. If I
can sell this one, I'm going to start fresh with a VR-4 shell I
can get
salvage and butcher that. I'll also need to buy a truck to take it to
& from
the track. The new setup will be much different then what I'm
running...Rear
wheel drive for huge slicks etc. I know "will it still be a
VR-4" we can
debate that when I'm running 8's. I see no chance of competing
with the 9 sec
cars with my existing setup. I want to build a VR-4 that can
win against the
likes of Vinny 10's Supra & Adams RX-7 etc.
Arty 91
VR-4
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Date:
Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:47:49 -0600
From: Jeff Crabtree <wjcrabtree@sprintmail.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Arty's 11 Second VR-4 monster for sale.
Aso8@aol.com wrote:
> For everybody
else, If I sell this one, I want to build a track car. What I
> have to do
to my VR-4 is to butcher it. Its much to beautiful for that. If I
> can
sell this one, I'm going to start fresh with a VR-4 shell I can get
>
salvage and butcher that.
Hey Arty....Depending on what the outcome is on
my crash situation...I may have the
perfect "shell" for you to build
from. If my car can't reasonably be fixed and they
want to total it
out....I'll make sure you get first dibs if interested. It would be
an
honor to know that my baby went to a good home.
- --
- -Jeff
Crabtree
'91 Stealth R/T Turbo
'93 Jeep YJ Wrangler
Sport
St. Louis,
MO
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