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Team3S Digest        Sunday, November 15 1998        Volume 01 : Number 025




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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 07:13:44 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Upgrade Cams

Hi, does that mean that a solid lifter set is in development?  When do you
expect it to be available?  Any idea of what they will cost?

- -Bob

> the hydraulic lifter set-up. We did some experimentation, but was not all
> that happy, so the quest continues until our solid adjustable lifter set
> becomes available.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Brian

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 11:14:07 -0800
From: "GT ALLEY" <thegtalley@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Upgrade Cams

Yes, the solid lifter design has been finalized and the blueprint has been
drawn...Just need to find a vendor to produce the parts, or possibly we may
purchase the equipment to machine the parts in-house. Expected time frame
will be approx. 2 months, and cost will be approx. (don't hold me to this),
will be $25.00-$30.00 each. No more tick tick tick, and also cams will
become available. Another added benifit for guys who just install the
lifters without cams, they will see a gain in performance due to the
0.30-0.50 of "slop" in the hydraulic lifter will now be gone. Instanty the
cams got bigger by this much.

Thanks,
Brian@
The GT ALLEY
3/S Performance Central
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bob Fontana <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Saturday, November 14, 1998 4:14 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Upgrade Cams


>Hi, does that mean that a solid lifter set is in development?  When do you
>expect it to be available?  Any idea of what they will cost?
>
>-Bob
>
>> the hydraulic lifter set-up. We did some experimentation, but was not all
>> that happy, so the quest continues until our solid adjustable lifter set
>> becomes available.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brian
>
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 21:47:32 +0100
From: Mike Chapleski <mike.chapleski@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Upgrade Cams

>
> 0.30-0.50 of "slop" in the hydraulic lifter will now be gone. Instanty the
> cams got bigger by this much.

Is this a misprint or are you saying there is actually a half-inch of "play" in the
lifters.  No wonder they tick.

Thanks,

Mike C.
'95 Stealth RT TT

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 14:38:39 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Upgrade Cams

Obviously a misprint.  The lash would be greater than the lift.  Neat trick.


Barry

> > 0.30-0.50 of "slop" in the hydraulic lifter will now be gone.
> Instanty the
> > cams got bigger by this much.
>
> Is this a misprint or are you saying there is actually a
> half-inch of "play" in the
> lifters.  No wonder they tick.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike C.
> '95 Stealth RT TT

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 17:56:49 -0500
From: josesini <josesini@engin.umich.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Upgrade Cams

This could be in mm and not in inches!
:)

Jose

"Barry E. King" wrote:
>
> Obviously a misprint.  The lash would be greater than the lift.  Neat trick.
>
> Barry
>
> > > 0.30-0.50 of "slop" in the hydraulic lifter will now be gone.
> > Instanty the
> > > cams got bigger by this much.
> >
><SNIP>
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:06:28 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: Upgrade Cams

Good point!


Barry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> [mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of josesini
> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 1998 3:57 PM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Subject: Team3S: Re: Upgrade Cams
>
>
> This could be in mm and not in inches!
> :)
>
> Jose
>
> "Barry E. King" wrote:
> >
> > Obviously a misprint.  The lash would be greater than the lift.
>  Neat trick.
> >
> > Barry
> >
> > > > 0.30-0.50 of "slop" in the hydraulic lifter will now be gone.
> > > Instanty the
> > > > cams got bigger by this much.
> > >
> ><SNIP>

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:50:35 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Team3S: Knock Sensor

Hi group;

Any chance we, or at least I,  can get an operational understanding from
the more knowledgeable out there, on how the knock sensor works,  and if
it will be of assistance if one has an aftermarket Boost Controller
installed? That's to say...will it work like it is supposed to with a
Blitz BC , Apexi BC, etc,  installed and operating properly.

Best

Darc

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 18:22:21 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Knock Sensor

The knock sensor is a piezo electric microphone mounted in contact with the
block.  The sensor is not an active device in that it merely listens to the
sounds the engine is making and sends that signal to the ECU for processing.
A knock sensor by itself is nothing more than a microphone.  It requires
sophisticated signal processing before anything uselful can come from the
knock sensor signal.  The ECU does all the work.

The signal sent to the ECU looks similar to a sound wave form.  The ECU
applies filters to get rid of "noise" (all the normal engine sounds) and
come up with a signal from which the presence of knock can be determined.

The presence of a boost controller will in no way affect the behavior of the
knock sensor circuitry.  There is a side effect however.

The ECU has two modes when knock is detected:  short term and long term.
The ECU recovers from short term knock fairly rapidly.  Long term knock
behavior is more permanent.

When knock is detected the first thing the ECU will attempt to do is remove
or retard ignition timing.  If knock is eliminated the ECU will add timing
back in.  It does this for a period of time.  I do not know specifics.

If maxiumum retard is reached and knock is still present the ECU attempts to
reduce boost by actuating the stock boost solenoid.  Clearly this will have
no effect if an EVC is in place or some other mechanism is in place to
bypass the reduction of boost by the stock solenoid.  Since knock will not
be reduced by this action the "long term" knock program is implemented.

The long term knock program retards timing a lot thereby reducing the power
you'd otherwise enjoy.  Some ECUs will not attempt to add timing back in for
around 300 miles, the presumption being there's a bad fuel in the tank.
Other ECUs won't attempt to add timing back in until the fuel level falls
below and then above a certain level.  In the latter case it is possible to
have the timing permanently retarded.  Imagine if the limit were 1/4 tank.
What if you never allowed fuel level to fall below 1/4 tank?  The ECU would
never know to attempt adding timing back in.  This is not uncommon.  Running
less than 1/4 of a tank can be hard on an electric in tank fuel pump (as is
the case in the 3000GT) since the pump relies on fuel to keep it cool.

You can get around this by restting the ECU periodically, especially if you
have been tinkering with the fuel delivery or other things or suspect that
you have had a bad tank of fuel.  I reset my ECU every week or two just
because.  I am not concerend about long term fuel trims which is the
downside of resetting the ECU frequently.

Someone who has dissected the 3000GT ECU would better know the precise
behavior, but the above is typical for many cars, including the DSM which
being from the same manufacturer it is not unreasonable to assume similar if
not identical behavior.

Another side effect of retarded timing is increased EGTs.  This can cause a
head scratching session if you are looking at O2 voltages and EGT values and
they don't jive.  If the timing is retarded a lot the EGT will be high yet
the O2 voltage may indicate a rich situation.

Bottom line, causing the engine to knock is not cool.


Regards,

Barry




> Hi group;
>
> Any chance we, or at least I,  can get an operational understanding from
> the more knowledgeable out there, on how the knock sensor works,  and if
> it will be of assistance if one has an aftermarket Boost Controller
> installed? That's to say...will it work like it is supposed to with a
> Blitz BC , Apexi BC, etc,  installed and operating properly.
>
> Best
>
> Darc
>
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 17:36:45 -0800
From: Ryan Peterson <rpeterson@rh2.com>
Subject: Team3S: Crankshaft pulley

I would like to remove the crankshaft pulley to get it chromed (don't
ask).  If I just remove it, and nothing else, is there any calibration,
adjustment, alignments, etc. that would need to be done once it's
reinstalled?
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 18:02:03 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: Knock Sensor

Thanks Barry....some good insights here...still digesting them..

Darc

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 09:00:43 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Crankshaft pulley

Ryan, there won't be any problem chroming the outside, visible part of the
pulley, but make sure you or your chrome guys don't drop it.  If dropped,
the outside will surely chip (done it twice myself) and you will be buying a
brand new one.

No special adjustment or alignment should be necessary when you install it.

- -Bob

> I would like to remove the crankshaft pulley to get it chromed (don't
> ask).  If I just remove it, and nothing else, is there any calibration,
> adjustment, alignments, etc. that would need to be done once it's
> reinstalled?

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