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Team3S Digest        Friday, November 13 1998        Volume 01 : Number 024




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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:32:06 -0800
From: Ken Middaugh <middaugh@omega.gat.com>
Subject: Team3S: San Diego gathering/track event

Finally, a long awaited gathering in San Diego is materializing (at
least two of us are interested ;)).  Folks in Southern California ,
Arizona, and anyone willing to drive a few hours might be interested
too.

On Saturday January 23, 1999, there will be a 1 day "High Performance
Driving" track event in San Diego County at Holtville.  Holtville is 2
hours East of San Diego and I'd guess about 3 hours West of Phoenix.

Current thoughts are to meet for an early breakfast in San Diego, then
caravan to Holtville for some track time.  LA area folks could spend
Friday night in San Diego, drive down to SD early in the morning for
breakfast and/or caravan, or just drive directly to Holtville.

Here is the information I have at this time:
The event has been hosted regularly for the last 5 years by Dave Turner,
http://www.daveturner.com
Cost: $100
Requirements: helmet
Description: "My driving events have just enough structure to keep
things safe.  We
welcome all cars and usually get from 35 to 50. I am in my 5th year of
putting on driving events and have never had an on track incident.
The Holtville track is probably the safest race course in the USA.  It
is
made up of airport runways and has plenty of run-off room. The track is
1.5
miles with 9 turns.
I do have driving instructors available.  There is no tech inspection.
You
are expected to bring  a safe car to the track.   There is no gas at the

track."
This sounds like an informal event, oriented for track time.  No timing,
no competitive
racing, just you and your car and an instructor if you want.  He divides

the cars up into 2 or 3 groups depending on how aggressive you want to
be.  Each group will run about 10 laps each time so you won't overheat
your tires, engine, or brakes.  He said that brakes suffer the most so
you might want to have new front pads and/or bring an extra set.  He
said it is easy to get in 50 laps, and if you try real hard, 150.

I should get more information in December.  I'd like to get some
feedback from folks who might be interested.  Please email me directly
at mailto:kmiddaugh@ixpres.com so we can keep the list traffic to a
minimum.

- --

Ken Middaugh
General Atomics
San Diego
(619) 455-4510



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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 20:20:54 EST
From: NYMaxxNY@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: re:BLITZ English manual

  Thank you Roger and all who replied. Great instructions.
Couldn't do without it.However there are still few questions but not now.
 
Thanks very much.
Max, 92VR4


>>Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 01:06:58 +0100
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: BLITZ English manual

Hey Max,

I assume you already installed so I start here. There is no explanation in the
english manual for the tune-in procedure. These are the main things you have
to
know .....................................
<<
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 06:39:35 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Problems / rebuild page up and running

Hey Roger, did you ever get a chance to call Bosch and ask if they sold a Dyno
to anyone here in the USA? I've tracked down every rumor and still can't find
an AWD Dyno anywhere in the USA.
Arty 91 VR-4

In a message dated 11/12/98 4:53:44 PM !!!First Boot!!!, robby@swissonline.ch
writes:

<< ubj: Re: Team3S: Problems / rebuild page up and running
 Date: 11/12/98 4:53:44 PM !!!First Boot!!!
 From: robby@swissonline.ch (R.G.)
 Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 Reply-to: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 
 > To anyone who's interested. I've just uploaded my "Problems/rebuild" page
to my
 > homestead at GeoCities (urgh). You can find it under the first topic on my
 > 3000GT page :
 >
 > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/9589/3000gt.html
 
 ... and today I added the dyno-sheet to the problems page. It does show how
 power was reduced due to the retarded timing and knock.
 
 Cheers,
 Roger
  >>
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 07:45:48 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject: Team3S: Synchro replacement

Hi all, I just got my new 1->2 synchros installed in my 5-speed Getrag for
only $344.50.  It took the transmission builder about 6 hours to pick his
way through the job but it isn't impossible.  I got it done at A & S
Transmission in Deerfield Beach, FL  (954) 883-8860.  I can't report on the
way the shifts feel yet because the engine and gearbox are still out of the
car.  However, since the synchros are a complete assembly, I am confident
that it's right.

Southern Gear quoted me $500 plus shipping both ways.  They used to pay
shipping one way with the customer paying the other way.  So, friends, it
looks like they are getting more expensive.

- -Bob

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 07:45:52 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject: Team3S: Rebuild pics

Hi, Thanks Roger for a good explanation of your rebuild.  I didn't mind the
extra download time at all.  If you guys want to spend even more time
downloading, go to http://www.gate.net/~mits/rebuild98.html.  This page has
some pretty good pics including some taken a couple weeks ago with the
engine almost ready to go back into the car.  Now that the synchros are
installed in the gearbox, it's time to move forward.

- -Bob

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:21:29 -0600
From: "Todd D Shelton" <tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rebuild pics/synchros

Bob,

How difficult was the installation of the
synchros and did you do it yourself or
was it performed by a trans shop?
I have synchros at the ready and when
the time comes I'm wondering what to
expect.

- - tds

- -----------------------------------------------------------
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Bob Fontana <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
    To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
    Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 6:46 AM
    Subject: Team3S: Rebuild pics


    If you guys want to spend even more time
    downloading, go to http://www.gate.net/~mits/rebuild98.html.  This page
has
    some pretty good pics including some taken a couple weeks ago with the
    engine almost ready to go back into the car.  Now that the synchros are
    installed in the gearbox, it's time to move forward.

    -Bob



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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:22:54 -0600
From: "Todd D Shelton" <tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Synchro replacement

Guess I should have continued
reading - thanks for the synchro
install info Bob.

- - tds


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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:29:12 +0100
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rebuild pics

> If you guys want to spend even more time
> downloading, go to http://www.gate.net/~mits/rebuild98.html.  This page has
> some pretty good pics including some taken a couple weeks ago with the
> engine almost ready to go back into the car.

Umpf, after visiting Bobs rebuild page I call mine "the mini-smart-rebuild" :)

BTW, how did you manage the crack in the cylinder wall and what had to be
replaced ? Also what brand are the new headers ?? Do you have any close-ups of
them ? (sorry for so many questions)

Cheers,
Roger

- -----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:08:10 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Synchro replacement

I just returned from the transmission shop with my gearbox.

awdtt <- happy camper

I retrieved the old 1-2 synchro assembly and scanned them directly on my
flatbed.  Surprisingly, they came out well enough to show you the problem
with them.  I uploaded them to my site and they are named:

http://www.gate.net/~mits/98r024.jpg

98r24 shows a full shot of the 2->1 synchro gear.  It is about 10% bigger
than actual size.

http://www.gate.net/~mits/98r025.jpg

98r25 shows a closeup of the inside of the gear in an area that showed the
most wear.  The wear was uneven.  The brass is only a coating.  It is
supposed to be rough to the touch in order to create enough friction to
"grab" the hub that sits inside of it.  There are evenly-spaced grooves as
well.  They serve as oil retainers but also can be used to judge wear.  Here
is where this picture is great -- it shows how the groove is gone and how
the brass material is almost worn away.  No friction at all means no
synchronizing going on here!

- -Bob

> How difficult was the installation of the
> synchros and did you do it yourself or
> was it performed by a trans shop?
> I have synchros at the ready and when
> the time comes I'm wondering what to
> expect.
>
> - tds
>

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:52:18 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Synchro replacement

Cool information Bob.

So this begs the question, what design modifications can be made to reduce
or eliminate this failure point?

I know a guy who works high up at Allied Signal.  He offered in the past to
toss his weight around a bit and have synchros fabricated since they really
are very simple parts to build.

Maybe the problem is not with the actual synchro ring but inadequate oiling
TO the ring.  An M.E. somewhere might be able to evaluate the current design
and suggest alternatives.  Any on the list?


Regards,

Barry

> 98r25 shows a closeup of the inside of the gear in an area that showed the
> most wear.  The wear was uneven.  The brass is only a coating.  It is
> supposed to be rough to the touch in order to create enough friction to
> "grab" the hub that sits inside of it.  There are evenly-spaced grooves as
> well.  They serve as oil retainers but also can be used to judge
> wear.  Here
> is where this picture is great -- it shows how the groove is gone and how
> the brass material is almost worn away.  No friction at all means no
> synchronizing going on here!
>
> -Bob

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:06:09 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Synchro replacement

I'm not a ME (but I play one on TV...)

My understanding of synchro rings is that they *can* be over-lubricated,
that is, if the gear oil is too slippery, not enough friction will be
applied.  From the looks of the wear on my synchro gears, that was not the
problem.  I believe my 2->1 gear stems from a particular run where I tried
to downshift at too high of an RPM.  I ended up forcing it in, lest I run
out of track.  I think that when the speed differential between gears is too
high, that the gear gets heated and glazed.  I'd have to think that gear oil
helps keep these parts cool via conduction as well as serving as a
lubricant.

The 1->2 (upshift) gear shows wear, but not to the extent of the 2->1 gear.
Again, I'm shifting at 7450 RPM (or so my tach says) and that seems to be
right at the envelope for a smooth transition to 2nd gear.  Since the torque
is so high at that RPM, the synchros receive the a shock when they are spun
up similar to the clutch-flywheel spin-up from a 7000 RPM launch.  There's
probably some "spinnage" going on there which a normal coating of gear oil
can't protect.

Jack if you are reading this, what's your .02 worth?

- -Bob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> [mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of Barry E. King
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 1998 11:52 AM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Synchro replacement
>
>
> Cool information Bob.
>
> So this begs the question, what design modifications can be made to reduce
> or eliminate this failure point?
>
> I know a guy who works high up at Allied Signal.  He offered in
> the past to
> toss his weight around a bit and have synchros fabricated since
> they really
> are very simple parts to build.
>
> Maybe the problem is not with the actual synchro ring but
> inadequate oiling
> TO the ring.  An M.E. somewhere might be able to evaluate the
> current design
> and suggest alternatives.  Any on the list?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Barry
>
> > 98r25 shows a closeup of the inside of the gear in an area that
> showed the
> > most wear.  The wear was uneven.  The brass is only a coating.  It is
> > supposed to be rough to the touch in order to create enough friction to
> > "grab" the hub that sits inside of it.  There are evenly-spaced
> grooves as
> > well.  They serve as oil retainers but also can be used to judge
> > wear.  Here
> > is where this picture is great -- it shows how the groove is
> gone and how
> > the brass material is almost worn away.  No friction at all means no
> > synchronizing going on here!
> >
> > -Bob
>
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:43:44 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Rebuild pics (LONG)

I'll try to explain the cylinder problem with the minimum amount of
bandwidth.  About 2 1/2 years ago, I blew a head gasket and my local
dealership did the repair under warranty.  They also suggested that I let
them replace the rings and bearings since the rings might have been
de-tensioned and the bearings just for general principles.  I said "sure,
why not" since it was free.  They proceeded to do the whole job without
removing the engine.  When I got it back, the bearings all spun at 112 miles
on the odometer.

Now, the dealership was stuck having to do the job over again, but this
time, they had to pay for it themselves.  They needed to replace the crank,
rods and pistons since they couldn't figure out why the bearings all spun.
They also decided to send the block to a machine shop to hone the cylinders
to .020 oversize.  The machine shop, while doing cylinder #2, broke their
honing machine.  They had pull the honing bit out of the cylinder using a
chain hoist.  That ended up putting a .010" deep x .040" wide groove in the
cylinder wall.  The machine shop called Delray Mitsubishi to tell them what
happened and Delray Mitsubishi told them "Don't worry about it -- just give
us the block back."  Needless to say, they didn't tell me about it and they
swore the machine shop to secrecy since, when I called the machine shop
directly to inquire as to what they thought caused the bearings to spin,
they said that the cylinders had been hand-honed and were not perfectly true
round.  The owner went on to say that there was another problem with the
block but he was not at liberty to say what since Delray Mitsubishi was one
of his biggest customers.

This was all in early 1996.  When I finally got my car back in July 1996,
every time the boost went over 15 PSI, oil would leak from everywhere under
the car and it was using one quart of oil every 400 miles.  The crankcase
was being pressurized by combustion gases going through that groove.  My
charge air was always full of oil from vapors being circulated out of the
valve covers and into my intercoolers.

Nobody could find or fix the problem, so, last April I decided to take the
matters into my own hands and find the source of the leak.  Well, I did find
it
as you can see in http://www.gate.net/~mits/98r003.jpg.

Conservatively, I'd have to think that the 20% compression loss on the #2
cylinder was causing me to lose 50 horsepower.  Not to mention the fact that
the octane rating of my fuel was reduced by several points as well heated
due to oil content and the fact that my clutch disk was always coated with
oil.  What this all means is, if I put the motor back together properly and
fix a few other things, that this car will be a rocket like it always should
have been.  I'm estimating sub-11 second timeslips in the coming weeks.

- -Bob


> BTW, how did you manage the crack in the cylinder wall and what had to be
> replaced ? Also what brand are the new headers ?? Do you have any
> close-ups of
> them ? (sorry for so many questions)
>
> Cheers,
> Roger

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:16:18 -0600
From: Jeff Crabtree <wjcrabtree@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rebuild pics

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Bob Fontana wrote:

> Hi, Thanks Roger for a good explanation of your rebuild.  I didn't mind the
> extra download time at all.  If you guys want to spend even more time
> downloading, go to http://www.gate.net/~mits/rebuild98.html.

Great pics Bob!....Do you think you could come over to my house and do what you did to
your car to mine?  Oh, also...bring your checkbook too!

Good work my freind.  I hope someday,  now that I have another car to drive, I can
accomplish the same thing with mine.

> --

- -Jeff Crabtree
   '91 Stealth R/T Turbo
      '93 Jeep YJ Wrangler Sport
          St. Louis, MO


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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Hi, Thanks Roger for a good explanation of your rebuild.&nbsp;
I didn't mind the
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time
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Great pics Bob!....Do you think you could come over to my house and do
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checkbook too!

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car to drive, I can accomplish the same thing with mine.
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- -Jeff Crabtree
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; '91 Stealth R/T Turbo
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:19:40 -0700
From: Ricardo Cousar <rcousar@uswest.com>
Subject: Team3S: Upgrade Cams

I just wanted to know if any one could help me with a vendor. I am not a
machnic and I don't know the details about cam spec's. I do however have
a manufacture willing to produce upgrade cam's for our vehicles if we
can supply him with enough orders.

Thank's

- --
Ricardo Cousar
Voice: (303) 624-0803


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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:41:28 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Upgrade Cams

Ricardo,

Are these regrinds or ground from billets?  Optimal cam specs will vary with
other engine parameters and intended use.  This is definitely an area of
interest to me also.


Regards,

Barry

> I just wanted to know if any one could help me with a vendor. I am not a
> machnic and I don't know the details about cam spec's. I do however have
> a manufacture willing to produce upgrade cam's for our vehicles if we
> can supply him with enough orders.
>
> Thank's
>
> --
> Ricardo Cousar

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:59:01 -0700
From: Ricardo Cousar <rcousar@uswest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Upgrade Cams

> Are these regrinds or ground from billets?
>
> Barry,  these are orginal unfinished cams. The shop will finish the grinding process
> on the cam with the new upgrade spec's. Thanks, Ricardo.

- --
Ricardo Cousar

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:04:53 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Upgrade Cams

Cool.  I know Crower will regrind a cam at $50 USD a stick.

Billets would be better though.

Now to determine specifications...

I have been playing with various profiles using a software model but
experience shows this is not necessarily what works best in the actual
engine.  Otherwise stated the model is incomplete.

What is the approximate cost of the camshafts?  Would they be willing to
keep costs low for a first few test runs until a suitable profile is
determined?


Regards,

Barry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> [mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of Ricardo Cousar
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 1998 12:59 PM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Upgrade Cams
>
>
> > Are these regrinds or ground from billets?
> >
> > Barry,  these are orginal unfinished cams. The shop will finish
> the grinding process
> > on the cam with the new upgrade spec's. Thanks, Ricardo.
>
> --
> Ricardo Cousar
>
> Voice: (303) 624-0803
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 15:06:05 -0500
From: "Theiss, Charles" <charles.theiss@lmco.com>
Subject: Team3S: Tire pressure

Going to the track.  Would appreciate any advise on tire pressure.  Thanks
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 15:24:37 -0500
From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Tire pressure

I run 40 PSI all the way around.  Yes, it causes wheelspin, but spinning
lessens the chances of chewing up the splines on your output shaft and other
possible driveline breakages.  In cooler weather (below 60F), you can lower
the pressure to 35 or 36 to achieve the same amount of spin.  Others may
argue that your times will suffer and I agree with them.  The most important
thing, however, is being able to drive it home afterwards.

- -Bob (ran 11.47 with 40 PSI and pump gas)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> [mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of Theiss,
> Charles
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 1998 3:06 PM
> To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'
> Subject: Team3S: Tire pressure
>
>
> Going to the track.  Would appreciate any advise on tire pressure.  Thanks
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 15:42:08 -0500
From: "Theiss, Charles" <charles.theiss@lmco.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Tire pressure

Thanks as always for the advise Bob.  Since this is my first track
experience I will need all the help I can get.

> ----------
> From: Bob Fontana[SMTP:bfontana@securitytechnologies.com]
> Reply To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 1998 3:24 PM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Tire pressure
>
> I run 40 PSI all the way around.  Yes, it causes wheelspin, but spinning
> lessens the chances of chewing up the splines on your output shaft and
> other
> possible driveline breakages.  In cooler weather (below 60F), you can
> lower
> the pressure to 35 or 36 to achieve the same amount of spin.  Others may
> argue that your times will suffer and I agree with them.  The most
> important
> thing, however, is being able to drive it home afterwards.
>
> -Bob (ran 11.47 with 40 PSI and pump gas)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> > [mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of Theiss,
> > Charles
> > Sent: Friday, November 13, 1998 3:06 PM
> > To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'
> > Subject: Team3S: Tire pressure
> >
> >
> > Going to the track.  Would appreciate any advise on tire pressure.
> Thanks
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:42:54 -0700
From: "Jeffrey Young" <jefyoung@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Upgrade Cams

I thought that Bozz Speed has (or is in the process of producing) an
upgraded cam for our cars.  You may want to check with Henry Yam @ RPM
 henryyam@acsu.buffalo.edu ) for more information.


Jeffrey
92 RT/Turbo
www.omega-sw.com/stealth


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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:49:18 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Upgrade Cams

Bozz does have cams but rumor has it that people aren't happy with them.
They probably work fine if you have thekir GT2835 blowers and everything
else they've done to their car ;)

I know no further details but it is worth investigating.


Barry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> [mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of Jeffrey Young
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 1998 2:43 PM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Upgrade Cams
>
>
> I thought that Bozz Speed has (or is in the process of producing) an
> upgraded cam for our cars.  You may want to check with Henry Yam @ RPM
henryyam@acsu.buffalo.edu ) for more information.
>
>
> Jeffrey
> 92 RT/Turbo
> www.omega-sw.com/stealth

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:48:10 -0700
From: Ricardo Cousar <rcousar@uswest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Upgrade Cams

Barry,  if you don't mind could you send me your phone number so we could conduct a
conference call with the manufacture to work out spec details.The approximate cost of
each raw cam is around 300 dollars. Then you would have to figure in cost production
cost. I estimate the cost should be for a finished tested product will be around 850 a
set. Just my guess. No real figures can be made yet.

Unfortunately,  their will be some upfront cost that the manufacture will have to
explain to you. But, these cost are reasonable. However, some of these cost can be
avoided if you know someone with a camshaft design program.

>
>
> What is the approximate cost of the camshafts?  Would they be willing to
> keep costs low for a first few test runs until a suitable profile is
> determined?
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 18:36:27 -0800
From: "GT ALLEY" <thegtalley@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Upgrade Cams

Upgrade cams are NOT available as of yet. I spoke to Yuki (owner) of
Bozzspeed and he confirmed that he has been thinking about it but there are
some real fundamental issues at hand that need to be dealt with before a
"real" set of cams can be worked on or produced. We have also thought about
making cams, and have the resources to get the billet cam blanks needed but
until the lifter issue is solved we will not go forward. The reason is that
we cannot get in a big enough cam with the profile we would like to see with
the hydraulic lifter set-up. We did some experimentation, but was not all
that happy, so the quest continues until our solid adjustable lifter set
becomes available.


Thanks,
Brian@
The GT ALLEY
3/S Performance Central
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ricardo Cousar <rcousar@uswest.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Upgrade Cams


>Barry,  if you don't mind could you send me your phone number so we could
conduct a
>conference call with the manufacture to work out spec details.The
approximate cost of
>each raw cam is around 300 dollars. Then you would have to figure in cost
production
>cost. I estimate the cost should be for a finished tested product will be
around 850 a
>set. Just my guess. No real figures can be made yet.
>
>Unfortunately,  their will be some upfront cost that the manufacture will
have to
>explain to you. But, these cost are reasonable. However, some of these cost
can be
>avoided if you know someone with a camshaft design program.
>
>>
>>
>> What is the approximate cost of the camshafts?  Would they be willing to
>> keep costs low for a first few test runs until a suitable profile is
>> determined?
>>
>
>
>
>
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