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Team3S Digest       Wednesday, November 11 1998       Volume 01 : Number 022




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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:33:02 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: Team3S: RE: injector cleaners

Darc...

You know, this is one of those areas in which I wish we could tap into some objective data. I've tried at
least ten injector cleaners over the years, ranging from $2.00 to $15.00 a bottle and can't say I ever felt a
bit of difference. I believe many are methanol based, some have other compounds. I add one every other tank
full or so, based on faith, and a belief that it can't be hurting.  :-)

Where I DO notice a difference is with the octane booster. Perhaps is just a placebo effect, but adding the
"off-road only" Turbo 108 product is noticeably different. No objective numbers, just some more seat of the
pants observation.  :-)

Looking forward...Chris

"Friends don't let friends ride with me"

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4

- -----Original Message-----
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca [SMTP:wce@bc.sympatico.ca]
Sent: Monday, November 09, 1998 5:25 PM
To: Team3S
Subject: Team3S: injector cleaners

Does anyone in the know, know if there is much difference (if any)
between the different injector cleaners ( fuel additives) which are
available, and the best (again if any).
<snip>

Darc

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:38:19 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: Firestone Firehawk Tires

I'd like to add my .02. I have the Mich Pilot sxmxx3 in size 245/40/ZR18 with
about 20,000 miles on them. I've run them at the track and in all types of
weather (no snow yet) and I really like these tires. I can't tell how many
miles they will last but a lot more then 20,000.
Arty 91 VR-4

n a message dated 11/10/98 10:22:36 AM Pacific Standard Time,
cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com writes:

<< Subj: Team3S: RE: Firestone Firehawk Tires
 Date: 11/10/98 10:22:36 AM Pacific Standard Time
 From: cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com (Chris Winkley)
 Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 Reply-to: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com ('stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com')
 
 Steven...
 
 Thanks for the post. This subject is somewhat like the Boost Controller
thread, I believe several people have
 tons of experience that can benefit those of us making a decision.
 
 Soooo, my two questions for those of you who are running 18" rims and have
experimented with different tires,
 what is your favorite and why?
 
 From my own perspective, I only drive my VR4 on dry streets, so the "all
weather" approach of the Dunlop
 SP9000s doesn't interest me. From what I've read and researched, the Michelin
Pilot MMXs are probably the
 best dry pavement tire money can buy, but they're VERY soft and will likely
disappear in under 15K miles
 which isn't very good for $400/tire. The Firestone lack of wandering and bead
to prevent rim dings sounds
 great but your comment indicates they're not available in a 18" diameter. I'm
leaning towards the Michelin
 XGT-Z4, but it sounds like someone (Barry or Ed?) has reason not to recommend
them. The reason??? Keep in
 mind I'm interested in dry cornering and traction, not wet, and I'd like a
treadwear of 200 (or better) if
 possible.
 
 Also, has anyone bought aftermarket 18" chromes with a non-factory offset
(35mm) that allows 275mm or larger
 tires to be mounted? The brand and style? Results?
 
 Looking forward...Chris
 
 "Friends don't let friends ride with me"
 
 1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4
 
 -----Original Message-----
 From: Steven A. File [SMTP:sfile@usa.net]
 Sent: Monday, November 09, 1998 7:35 PM
 To: Team 3S; Starnet
 Subject: Team3S: Firestone Firehawk 275/40R17 Z250 Tires
 
 I want to thank Barry King and Ed Fein (definitely the list wheel/tire
 experts) for their outstanding advice on buying Firestone Firehawk 275/40R17
 SZ50 tires with 17-inch wheels (Epic Assassins 17"x7-1/2"). I cannot believe
 the difference in handling with my NA--totally awesome tires--the handling
 now approaches my TT!!   8-))   The surprising part is that the ride is also
 noticeably smoother than the stock Yoko 225/55x16s!
 <snip>
 I almost can't wait to do tires on the VR-4 . . .
 well maybe not since the Z250s do not come in 18 inch.   8(   Oh well, maybe
 the stock alloy 16-inchers will have to go back on the NA and the Assassins
 on the TT . . . or maybe Bridgestone Potenza S-02 Pole Positions 18-inchers
 at $275 per tire (ouch) . . .
 
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:46:17 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: Team3S: BOV recommendation?

Howdy folks...

A brief Beastie update. I've received my ATR downpipe and test pipe and have decided to add an aftermarket
BOV as well. I'm a little ahead of "need" as I probably won't upgrade my turbos until the spring, but this is
an easy mod and may help a little with 16psi of boost. I know there's a number of units available. Any
recommendations (and rationale)?

Looking forward...Chris

"Friends don't let friends ride with me"

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:01:40 +0100
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?= <vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: RE: Team3S: BOV recommendation?

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Hi

I have the Blitz BOV and I bought it because I have heard alot of good =
things about it.=20

First, it wont fit if you have the HKS Super mega flow (without VPC).

OK so I constructed a new Y-pipe and mounted the Blitz BOV directly to =
the pipe.

I can't feel any difference what so ever !!! Maybe my stock BOV works =
better than normal. The Blitz have been a total waste of time and money =
but I guess that it will do alot more for the car when I pump up the =
boost with bigger turbos. Actually it doesn't sound that much either. :(

/Mikael http://www.bahnhof.se/~vr4=20

- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Winkley [SMTP:cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 7:46 PM
To: 'Team3S'
Subject: Team3S: BOV recommendation?

Howdy folks...

A brief Beastie update. I've received my ATR downpipe and test pipe and =
have decided to add an aftermarket=20
BOV as well. I'm a little ahead of "need" as I probably won't upgrade my =
turbos until the spring, but this is=20
an easy mod and may help a little with 16psi of boost. I know there's a =
number of units available. Any=20
recommendations (and rationale)?

Looking forward...Chris

"Friends don't let friends ride with me"

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4

For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is =
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:13:02 +0100
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?= <vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: RE: Team3S: BOV recommendation?

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One more thing about BOV's

I tested a dumpvalve that a friend of mine used on his Ford Cosworth. =
This dumpvalve cost less than 90$ and works alot better that the Blitz. =
My suggestion to all is to use the "not so cool" dumpvalves instead of =
ultra expensive BOV's from HKS, Greddy, blitz etc...

For an example look at the dump valves on this page: =
http://www.webcon.co.uk/f1/turbo.htm

/Mikael http://www.bahnhof.se/~vr4

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mikael =C5kesson [SMTP:vr4@bahnhof.se]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 9:02 PM
To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'
Subject: RE: Team3S: BOV recommendation?

Hi

I have the Blitz BOV and I bought it because I have heard alot of good =
things about it.=20

First, it wont fit if you have the HKS Super mega flow (without VPC).

OK so I constructed a new Y-pipe and mounted the Blitz BOV directly to =
the pipe.

I can't feel any difference what so ever !!! Maybe my stock BOV works =
better than normal. The Blitz have been a total waste of time and money =
but I guess that it will do alot more for the car when I pump up the =
boost with bigger turbos. Actually it doesn't sound that much either. :(

/Mikael http://www.bahnhof.se/~vr4=20

- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Winkley [SMTP:cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 7:46 PM
To: 'Team3S'
Subject: Team3S: BOV recommendation?

Howdy folks...

A brief Beastie update. I've received my ATR downpipe and test pipe and =
have decided to add an aftermarket=20
BOV as well. I'm a little ahead of "need" as I probably won't upgrade my =
turbos until the spring, but this is=20
an easy mod and may help a little with 16psi of boost. I know there's a =
number of units available. Any=20
recommendations (and rationale)?

Looking forward...Chris

"Friends don't let friends ride with me"

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4

For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is =
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:26:30 EST
From: LotoBoost@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: BOV recommendation?

In a message dated 11/10/98 3:03:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, vr4@bahnhof.se
writes:

<< I can't feel any difference what so ever !!! Maybe my stock BOV works
better than normal. The Blitz have been a total waste of time and money but I
guess that it will do alot more for the car when I pump up the boost with
bigger turbos. Actually it doesn't sound that much either. :(
  >>

Yeah, an upgraded BOV wont give ANY performance gains with stock turbos unless
the stock BOV was broke.  From my experience, the stock BOV is more than up to
the task of holding whatever the stock turbos can through at it.. plus its
pretty larger so it flows sufficiently.  So basically the only gain of an
AMBOV is the neat/loud sound.

But I am courious that you said the BOV doesn't sound much different?  My
Blitz BOV is EXTREMELY loud!

Mike Mahaffey - '94 Stealth tt Best et: 11.6  Best mph: 120.7
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 00:03:51 +0100
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: BOV recommendation?

I run the "old" HKS sequential BOV on my car and it fits very well. Also I have
a late model and never had any problems (other users reported cracking). Thanks
to it I discovered the
engine problem as the white oil steam that came off infront the hood was very
noticeable.

For performance, I felt a little better response in spooling up the 13G but
really only a little. Also, I expected to have lower intake temperature as the
pressure will not released into the intake anymore. But the increased
temperature is maybe negligible. Another theory is, due to our increased boosts,
that with the stock BOV the pressure goes out the MAS and will not be fed
through the turbos. I never heard this on my car with the stock BOV but I
noticed the sound on Jims car with the K&N pretty good. Maybe due to the less
air flow of the 9B compared to the 13G ?

For the dump valves I always thought that they open due to the increased boost
in the feed line and the pressure at the dump plate in the valve (linear). Our
BOVs are working on a differential pressure level and open when a
pressure-to-vacuum situation occurs. I therefore think that the dump valve
Mikael tested was set on high pressure and then openend linear. BTW, setting the
screw on the S-BOV must be a religion. Till today, I haven't found out how to
set it properly. When all the sensors are installed I'll measure the
pressures/vacuums levels and I hope to be able to dial-in everything ...
including the BOV.

For the sound ... I don't like the WHOOOSH. This sounds like a 911 just passed
me at high speed ... and this is very confusing ;-)

Take care,
Roger

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:45:03 +0100
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?=" <vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: RE: Team3S: BOV recommendation?

From: R.G. <robby@swissonline.ch>
>For the dump valves I always thought that they open due to the increased boost  in the feed line and the pressure at the dump plate in the valve (linear).
>
<SNIP>
I'm not sure about that Roger,

I think that the one I tested was working the same way as our BOV's with a hose connected to the vacume lines. the difference was that the spring wasn't adjustable but they where delivered with 3 different springs. The function of the springs is to controll that the valve doesn't open because of high turbo preasure and they shall be as soft as posible to be able to release more air as fast as possible. If I have understood everything right this is exactly how my Blitz works but it has a screew to tune it with instead of shanging springs.

/Mikael


>BOVs are working on a differential pressure level and open when a
>pressure-to-vacuum situation occurs. I therefore think that the dump valve
>Mikael tested was set on high pressure and then openend linear. BTW, setting the
>screw on the S-BOV must be a religion. Till today, I haven't found out how to
>set it properly. When all the sensors are installed I'll measure the
>pressures/vacuums levels and I hope to be able to dial-in everything ...
>including the BOV.
>
>For the sound ... I don't like the WHOOOSH. This sounds like a 911 just passed
>me at high speed ... and this is very confusing ;-)
>
>Take care,
>Roger
>
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>93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 00:54:29 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: BOV recommendation?

Someone should try out an electronic BOV.  These make so much more sense
than the mechanical solution as the system is totally programmable.  There
are a few available, particularily from a few Australian manufacturers, and
prices seem to be comparable to the Japanese mechanical BOVs.

Short of that, the Zen Motorsports BOV appears to be a far superior design
than any of the current popular BOVs.  The tolerances of the cylinder are
extremely tight making leakage a non-issue at any boost levels liable to be
seen in our cars.


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Barry

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:50:36 +0100
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?=" <vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: RE: Team3S: BOV recommendation?

Mike Mahaffey wrote:
>But I am courious that you said the BOV doesn't sound much different?  My Blitz BOV is EXTREMELY loud!
>
Hi Mike,

Are you using the Blitz and the stock BOV together as they recomend?? I do that and I think that's why mine doesn't sound. I don't think it has enough air to let out when working together with the stock BOV.

/Mikael


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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 01:03:13 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: BOV recommendation?

I have the Blitz SSBOV connected in conjunction with the stock BOV (for now)
and it definitely makes a lot of noise.  I had it this way with the stock
turbos also running at much lower boost pressure than with the 15Gs.

Are you sure you haven't tightened the adjustment so much that it never
blows off?  Are you sure that it is installed properly and that all lines
are tight and unobstructed?  The Blitz is one of the loudest BOVs available.
If it is working, you will hear it.


Barry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> [mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of Mikael Åkesson
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 12:51 AM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Subject: RE: Team3S: BOV recommendation?
>
>
> Mike Mahaffey wrote:
> >But I am courious that you said the BOV doesn't sound much
> different?  My Blitz BOV is EXTREMELY loud!
> >
> Hi Mike,
>
> Are you using the Blitz and the stock BOV together as they
> recomend?? I do that and I think that's why mine doesn't sound. I
> don't think it has enough air to let out when working together
> with the stock BOV.
>
> /Mikael

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:39:25 +0100
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: ATR Pre-Cat update

> I think we're back to Robby for feedback from Europe (or back to the drill
>  and chisel).

Ok, I talked with some shops that do such special jobs and all said that the
cost would be excessive compared to the gain. Especially for the rear one. There
is just no space for something bigger :( One came up with the idea of making an
O2 housing the splits into 2 smaller pipes and to route them differently. But
this would only work with different DPs as well.

I tend now to find a wreck (there aren't any around) and to gut the front cats
out as well as to port the O2 housing as good as possible.

Cheers,
Roger

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 12:43:40 +0100
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?=" <vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: RE: Team3S: RE: ATR Pre-Cat update

Do anyone have any pics of the Precats  (TT)??? I want to send pics to Ferrita so they can have a look at them.

/Mikael

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:31:05 -0800
From: John Christian <ie886@po.cwru.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Re: No Boost

Hi,
[snip]
>Yes, no boost.  Both the Autometer and the in-dash boost gauges show only vacuum 20 to 0.
  No Pressure even at WOT.

>Shifted into 3rd and ran to 6000+ with boost only dropping to 11 psi near red line.
>Shifted into 4th, looked behind and saw the Porsche farther back.  After that there was no more BOOST.

>There is some oil in the Y-pipe
>The only mods are a K&N filter and a manual boost controller(the pressure regulator type).

>Since we have twin torbos,  Isn't it strange I lost boost from BOTH??
>How can I check the turbo(s)??

Thanks Roger Gerl, for your suggestions:

1.  All connections -- vacuum/pressure lines & all hoses are in place
with no cracks or holes.
2.  Wastegate actuators stay in normal(closed) position from vacuum to
+10 psi and begin to open at 10+ psi.  Then start to open with
decreasing pressure.
3.  The BOV allows air flow in the normal(closed) position.  With vacuum
of 16  applied to control line, the valve starts to open and allows air
flow.
4.  Compression values for front bank are:  1...110,  3...120,
5...115    My tester is the rubber stopper type and 32+ years old.  [not
the spark plug screw in type]
5.  Spark plug gap was .035  now is         1...036,  3...037,  5...036
6.  The new battery checks  13.1 volts not running.  When I put the TT
back together I'll check volts when running.

The Stealth manual says the bypass valve should operate at vacuum 16.
It also says to check for "pressure tightness".   Guess mine isn't
tight! 
- ---> Is my bypass valve preventing BOOST??   Are the TURBOS OKAY??
Neither the Mitsu nor the Dodge dealers have a BOV in inventory.  I
believe in factory  components ie oil filters, plugs, wire, etc.  BUT is
a stock bypass valve best, or should I consider an aftermarket one which
vents to the atsmosphere?   Jack T ....any extra ones laying around??
Is an open one better for Road Courses??    Yes, I know it produces a
unique SOUND.

I'm going to put the TT back together, 'bypass' the bypass valve and see
if I get BOOST back.

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JCZoooM  93 TT 12.46@109Mph '94Brakes  4 warranty Getrags
  If Getrag replaced call Chrysler 800 992-1997 & register complaint
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/flats/4538 VR4's Mitsu at 800
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:18:17 -0600
From: "Todd D Shelton" <tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: No Boost

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I've got a couple of stock BOV's - one is new.
Let me know if you can't find any.

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 18:32:07 +0100
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: No Boost

> 2.  Wastegate actuators stay in normal(closed) position from vacuum to
> +10 psi and begin to open at 10+ psi.  Then start to open with
> decreasing pressure.

Maybe a typo because it then should open more when INCREASING pressure.

> 3.  The BOV allows air flow in the normal(closed) position.  With vacuum
> of 16  applied to control line, the valve starts to open and allows air
> flow.

No, the valve should be closed and should not allow any airflow under ambient or
increased pressure. As you said, it opens around 32-33inHg. During idleing, our
cars read around 45-48 inHg and therefore the valve is open and releases some
pressure to the intake. Your problem can now have two causes :

a) BPV doesn't close enough (damaged, dirty)
b) the vacuum line is not attached to the right location (happend to me once)

> 4.  Compression values for front bank are:  1...110,  3...120,
> 5...115    My tester is the rubber stopper type and 32+ years old.  [not
> the spark plug screw in type]

Well, not new but in the acceptable range with the tester ;-)

> The Stealth manual says the bypass valve should operate at vacuum 16.
> It also says to check for "pressure tightness".   Guess mine isn't
> tight!

The signs point to the BPV as it seems to leak. Once, the hose to the valve
popped off on mine due to a not-mounted clamp (thanks Mr. Mitsu !) The car then
died and I wasn't able to drive. If the BPV is somewhat stuck or doesn't close
good, enough air can flow out to the intake and therefore releases boost. Why
not taking the BPV out and check it ? I sent you pictures how it looks like
closed on the inside. When then blowing air in from the underside, a very little
can go off and around 30 inHg it starts to open. Then releasing vaccum should
close the valve again.

> Are the TURBOS OKAY??

At the moment I can't see a sign why not.

> BUT is a stock bypass valve best, or should I consider an aftermarket one
> which vents to the atsmosphere? Is an open one better for Road Courses??

Just follow the thread here on the list about the BOVs.
 
Hope this helps,
Roger

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:56:12 -0600
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: No Boost

John:
Plug the BOV hose as you've outlined, to rule that out.  However, a
"catastrophic" or sudden loss of all boost REALLY SCREAMS OUT a LARGE
leak in your pressurized air circuit, somewhere from turbo outlets to
the throttlebody.  I know you are thorough, but I will strongly suggest
you check the 4 hose matings attaching to the front intercoolers HIDDEN
under the front of the car/under the radiator area on passengerside, and
behind headlight underhood aiming downward on driverside.  It is either
the BOV stuck open venting all boost, OR a loose/blownoff/cracked hose,
or a LARGE hole someplace else in pressure circuit.  No way you lost
both turbos.  Even one turbo would show SOME boost.

Hope this helps,
Jack Tertadian

John Christian wrote:
>  no boost; gauges show only vacuum 20 to 0.  No Pressure even WOT.
> >Shifted 3rd, ran 6000+ boost dropping to 11 psi near red line.
> >Shifted 4th,behind saw Porsche farther back.  After, no more BOOST.
> >There is oil in Y-pipe.  mods: K&N, manual boost controller
> >twin turbos, isn't strange lost boost from BOTH?
> >How can I check turbos? Thanks Roger Gerl, for suggestions:
1.  All connections vacuum/pressure lines, hoses in place with no
cracks/holes.
> Is bypass valve preventing BOOST?  TURBOS OKAY?
> going to 'bypass' bypass valve, see if BOOST back.
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 12:46:40 PST
From: "Eric Lotter" <elotter@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Rear end shutter under heavye boost/High RPMS

Hey all,

I'm trying to debug my sister's new VR-4, a replacement for her totaled
92 ES, (1991, Red with 49k) for some "Post sales" warranty work.

If you could decipher the title, you may know what I am talking about,
but I'll do my best to describe it.

When you accelerate hard, the backend seems to shimmy @ about 4500RPMS
in first through second. This occurs if you start from a stop, or, if
you are moving and "get on it".

It is not on one side of the car or the other, and sometimes feels like
it is coming from the center of the car.

AWD?
Rear Dif?
Thoughts, ideas, concepts? experiences?

Thanks.

Eric

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