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Team3S Digest Wednesday,
November 11 1998 Volume 01 : Number
022
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Date:
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:33:02 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject:
Team3S: RE: injector cleaners
Darc...
You know, this is one of
those areas in which I wish we could tap into some objective data. I've tried at
least ten injector cleaners over the years, ranging from $2.00 to $15.00 a
bottle and can't say I ever felt a
bit of difference. I believe many are
methanol based, some have other compounds. I add one every other tank
full
or so, based on faith, and a belief that it can't be hurting.
:-)
Where I DO notice a difference is with the octane booster. Perhaps is
just a placebo effect, but adding the
"off-road only" Turbo 108 product is
noticeably different. No objective numbers, just some more seat of the
pants
observation. :-)
Looking forward...Chris
"Friends don't let
friends ride with me"
1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4
- -----Original
Message-----
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca [SMTP:wce@bc.sympatico.ca]
Sent:
Monday, November 09, 1998 5:25 PM
To: Team3S
Subject: Team3S: injector
cleaners
Does anyone in the know, know if there is much difference (if
any)
between the different injector cleaners ( fuel additives) which
are
available, and the best (again if
any).
<snip>
Darc
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Date:
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:38:19 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE:
Firestone Firehawk Tires
I'd like to add my .02. I have the Mich Pilot
sxmxx3 in size 245/40/ZR18 with
about 20,000 miles on them. I've run them at
the track and in all types of
weather (no snow yet) and I really like these
tires. I can't tell how many
miles they will last but a lot more then
20,000.
Arty 91 VR-4
n a message dated 11/10/98 10:22:36 AM Pacific
Standard Time,
cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com
writes:
<< Subj: Team3S: RE: Firestone Firehawk
Tires
Date: 11/10/98 10:22:36 AM Pacific Standard Time
From:
cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com (Chris
Winkley)
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('stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com')
Steven...
Thanks
for the post. This subject is somewhat like the Boost Controller
thread, I
believe several people have
tons of experience that can benefit those
of us making a decision.
Soooo, my two questions for those of
you who are running 18" rims and have
experimented with different tires,
what is your favorite and why?
From my own
perspective, I only drive my VR4 on dry streets, so the "all
weather"
approach of the Dunlop
SP9000s doesn't interest me. From what I've
read and researched, the Michelin
Pilot MMXs are probably the
best
dry pavement tire money can buy, but they're VERY soft and will
likely
disappear in under 15K miles
which isn't very good for
$400/tire. The Firestone lack of wandering and bead
to prevent rim dings
sounds
great but your comment indicates they're not available in a 18"
diameter. I'm
leaning towards the Michelin
XGT-Z4, but it sounds
like someone (Barry or Ed?) has reason not to recommend
them. The reason???
Keep in
mind I'm interested in dry cornering and traction, not wet,
and I'd like a
treadwear of 200 (or better) if
possible.
Also, has anyone bought aftermarket 18"
chromes with a non-factory offset
(35mm) that allows 275mm or larger
tires to be mounted? The brand and style?
Results?
Looking forward...Chris
"Friends
don't let friends ride with me"
1995 Glacier Pearl White
VR4
-----Original Message-----
From: Steven A. File
[SMTP:sfile@usa.net]
Sent:
Monday, November 09, 1998 7:35 PM
To: Team 3S;
Starnet
Subject: Team3S: Firestone Firehawk 275/40R17 Z250
Tires
I want to thank Barry King and Ed Fein (definitely the
list wheel/tire
experts) for their outstanding advice on buying
Firestone Firehawk 275/40R17
SZ50 tires with 17-inch wheels (Epic
Assassins 17"x7-1/2"). I cannot believe
the difference in handling with
my NA--totally awesome tires--the handling
now approaches my
TT!! 8-)) The surprising part is that the ride is
also
noticeably smoother than the stock Yoko
225/55x16s!
<snip>
I almost can't wait to do tires on
the VR-4 . . .
well maybe not since the Z250s do not come in 18
inch. 8( Oh well, maybe
the stock alloy
16-inchers will have to go back on the NA and the Assassins
on the TT .
. . or maybe Bridgestone Potenza S-02 Pole Positions 18-inchers
at $275
per tire (ouch) . . .
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Date:
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:46:17 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject:
Team3S: BOV recommendation?
Howdy folks...
A brief Beastie update.
I've received my ATR downpipe and test pipe and have decided to add an
aftermarket
BOV as well. I'm a little ahead of "need" as I probably won't
upgrade my turbos until the spring, but this is
an easy mod and may help a
little with 16psi of boost. I know there's a number of units available. Any
recommendations (and rationale)?
Looking
forward...Chris
"Friends don't let friends ride with me"
1995
Glacier Pearl White VR4
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Date:
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:01:40 +0100
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?=
<vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: BOV recommendation?
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Hi
I have the Blitz BOV and I bought it because I
have heard alot of good =
things about it.=20
First, it wont fit if
you have the HKS Super mega flow (without VPC).
OK so I constructed a new
Y-pipe and mounted the Blitz BOV directly to =
the pipe.
I can't feel
any difference what so ever !!! Maybe my stock BOV works =
better than
normal. The Blitz have been a total waste of time and money =
but I guess
that it will do alot more for the car when I pump up the =
boost with bigger
turbos. Actually it doesn't sound that much either. :(
/Mikael http://www.bahnhof.se/~vr4=20
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Winkley [SMTP:cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com]
Sent:
Tuesday, November 10, 1998 7:46 PM
To: 'Team3S'
Subject: Team3S: BOV
recommendation?
Howdy folks...
A brief Beastie update. I've
received my ATR downpipe and test pipe and =
have decided to add an
aftermarket=20
BOV as well. I'm a little ahead of "need" as I probably won't
upgrade my =
turbos until the spring, but this is=20
an easy mod and may
help a little with 16psi of boost. I know there's a =
number of units
available. Any=20
recommendations (and rationale)?
Looking
forward...Chris
"Friends don't let friends ride with me"
1995
Glacier Pearl White VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
=
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
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Date:
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:13:02 +0100
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?=
<vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: BOV recommendation?
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One
more thing about BOV's
I tested a dumpvalve that a friend of mine used on
his Ford Cosworth. =
This dumpvalve cost less than 90$ and works alot better
that the Blitz. =
My suggestion to all is to use the "not so cool" dumpvalves
instead of =
ultra expensive BOV's from HKS, Greddy, blitz etc...
For
an example look at the dump valves on this page: =
http://www.webcon.co.uk/f1/turbo.htm
/Mikael
http://www.bahnhof.se/~vr4
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mikael =C5kesson [SMTP:vr4@bahnhof.se]
Sent: Tuesday,
November 10, 1998 9:02 PM
To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'
Subject:
RE: Team3S: BOV recommendation?
Hi
I have the Blitz BOV and I
bought it because I have heard alot of good =
things about
it.=20
First, it wont fit if you have the HKS Super mega flow (without
VPC).
OK so I constructed a new Y-pipe and mounted the Blitz BOV directly
to =
the pipe.
I can't feel any difference what so ever !!! Maybe my
stock BOV works =
better than normal. The Blitz have been a total waste of
time and money =
but I guess that it will do alot more for the car when I
pump up the =
boost with bigger turbos. Actually it doesn't sound that much
either. :(
/Mikael http://www.bahnhof.se/~vr4=20
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Winkley [SMTP:cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com]
Sent:
Tuesday, November 10, 1998 7:46 PM
To: 'Team3S'
Subject: Team3S: BOV
recommendation?
Howdy folks...
A brief Beastie update. I've
received my ATR downpipe and test pipe and =
have decided to add an
aftermarket=20
BOV as well. I'm a little ahead of "need" as I probably won't
upgrade my =
turbos until the spring, but this is=20
an easy mod and may
help a little with 16psi of boost. I know there's a =
number of units
available. Any=20
recommendations (and rationale)?
Looking
forward...Chris
"Friends don't let friends ride with me"
1995
Glacier Pearl White VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
=
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
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Date:
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:26:30 EST
From: LotoBoost@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S:
BOV recommendation?
In a message dated 11/10/98 3:03:38 PM Eastern
Standard Time, vr4@bahnhof.se
writes:
<< I
can't feel any difference what so ever !!! Maybe my stock BOV works
better
than normal. The Blitz have been a total waste of time and money but I
guess
that it will do alot more for the car when I pump up the boost with
bigger
turbos. Actually it doesn't sound that much either. :(
>>
Yeah, an upgraded BOV wont give ANY performance gains with stock
turbos unless
the stock BOV was broke. From my experience, the stock
BOV is more than up to
the task of holding whatever the stock turbos can
through at it.. plus its
pretty larger so it flows sufficiently. So
basically the only gain of an
AMBOV is the neat/loud sound.
But I am
courious that you said the BOV doesn't sound much different? My
Blitz
BOV is EXTREMELY loud!
Mike Mahaffey - '94 Stealth tt Best et: 11.6
Best mph: 120.7
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Date:
Wed, 11 Nov 1998 00:03:51 +0100
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: BOV recommendation?
I run the "old" HKS sequential BOV on my car
and it fits very well. Also I have
a late model and never had any problems
(other users reported cracking). Thanks
to it I discovered the
engine
problem as the white oil steam that came off infront the hood was
very
noticeable.
For performance, I felt a little better response in
spooling up the 13G but
really only a little. Also, I expected to have lower
intake temperature as the
pressure will not released into the intake anymore.
But the increased
temperature is maybe negligible. Another theory is, due to
our increased boosts,
that with the stock BOV the pressure goes out the MAS
and will not be fed
through the turbos. I never heard this on my car with the
stock BOV but I
noticed the sound on Jims car with the K&N pretty good.
Maybe due to the less
air flow of the 9B compared to the 13G ?
For
the dump valves I always thought that they open due to the increased boost
in
the feed line and the pressure at the dump plate in the valve (linear).
Our
BOVs are working on a differential pressure level and open when
a
pressure-to-vacuum situation occurs. I therefore think that the dump
valve
Mikael tested was set on high pressure and then openend linear. BTW,
setting the
screw on the S-BOV must be a religion. Till today, I haven't
found out how to
set it properly. When all the sensors are installed I'll
measure the
pressures/vacuums levels and I hope to be able to dial-in
everything ...
including the BOV.
For the sound ... I don't like the
WHOOOSH. This sounds like a 911 just passed
me at high speed ... and this is
very confusing ;-)
Take care,
Roger
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93'3000GT TwinTurbo
(Animale Rosso)
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Date:
Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:45:03 +0100
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?="
<vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: BOV recommendation?
From: R.G. <robby@swissonline.ch>
>For the
dump valves I always thought that they open due to the increased boost in
the feed line and the pressure at the dump plate in the valve (linear).
>
<SNIP>
I'm not sure about that Roger,
I think that
the one I tested was working the same way as our BOV's with a hose connected to
the vacume lines. the difference was that the spring wasn't adjustable but they
where delivered with 3 different springs. The function of the springs is to
controll that the valve doesn't open because of high turbo preasure and they
shall be as soft as posible to be able to release more air as fast as possible.
If I have understood everything right this is exactly how my Blitz works but it
has a screew to tune it with instead of shanging
springs.
/Mikael
>BOVs are working on a differential
pressure level and open when a
>pressure-to-vacuum situation occurs. I
therefore think that the dump valve
>Mikael tested was set on high
pressure and then openend linear. BTW, setting the
>screw on the S-BOV
must be a religion. Till today, I haven't found out how to
>set it
properly. When all the sensors are installed I'll measure
the
>pressures/vacuums levels and I hope to be able to dial-in everything
...
>including the BOV.
>
>For the sound ... I don't like the
WHOOOSH. This sounds like a 911 just passed
>me at high speed ... and this
is very confusing ;-)
>
>Take
care,
>Roger
>
>-----------------------
>Roger Gerl,
Switzerland
>93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
>
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Date:
Wed, 11 Nov 1998 00:54:29 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
BOV recommendation?
Someone should try out an electronic BOV. These
make so much more sense
than the mechanical solution as the system is totally
programmable. There
are a few available, particularily from a few
Australian manufacturers, and
prices seem to be comparable to the Japanese
mechanical BOVs.
Short of that, the Zen Motorsports BOV appears to be a
far superior design
than any of the current popular BOVs. The
tolerances of the cylinder are
extremely tight making leakage a non-issue at
any boost levels liable to be
seen in our
cars.
Regards,
Barry
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Date:
Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:50:36 +0100
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?="
<vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: BOV recommendation?
Mike Mahaffey wrote:
>But I am courious
that you said the BOV doesn't sound much different? My Blitz BOV is
EXTREMELY loud!
>
Hi Mike,
Are you using the Blitz and the
stock BOV together as they recomend?? I do that and I think that's why mine
doesn't sound. I don't think it has enough air to let out when working together
with the stock BOV.
/Mikael
>Mike Mahaffey - '94 Stealth tt
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Date:
Wed, 11 Nov 1998 01:03:13 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
BOV recommendation?
I have the Blitz SSBOV connected in conjunction with
the stock BOV (for now)
and it definitely makes a lot of noise. I had
it this way with the stock
turbos also running at much lower boost pressure
than with the 15Gs.
Are you sure you haven't tightened the adjustment so
much that it never
blows off? Are you sure that it is installed
properly and that all lines
are tight and unobstructed? The Blitz is
one of the loudest BOVs available.
If it is working, you will hear
it.
Barry
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On
Behalf Of Mikael Åkesson
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 12:51
AM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
Subject: RE: Team3S: BOV recommendation?
>
>
> Mike Mahaffey
wrote:
> >But I am courious that you said the BOV doesn't sound
much
> different? My Blitz BOV is EXTREMELY loud!
>
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> Are you using the Blitz and the stock BOV
together as they
> recomend?? I do that and I think that's why mine
doesn't sound. I
> don't think it has enough air to let out when working
together
> with the stock BOV.
>
> /Mikael
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Date:
Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:39:25 +0100
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: RE: ATR Pre-Cat update
> I think we're back to Robby for
feedback from Europe (or back to the drill
> and chisel).
Ok,
I talked with some shops that do such special jobs and all said that the
cost
would be excessive compared to the gain. Especially for the rear one.
There
is just no space for something bigger :( One came up with the idea of
making an
O2 housing the splits into 2 smaller pipes and to route them
differently. But
this would only work with different DPs as well.
I
tend now to find a wreck (there aren't any around) and to gut the front
cats
out as well as to port the O2 housing as good as
possible.
Cheers,
Roger
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Date:
Wed, 11 Nov 1998 12:43:40 +0100
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?="
<vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: RE: ATR Pre-Cat update
Do anyone have any pics of the
Precats (TT)??? I want to send pics to Ferrita so they can have a look at
them.
/Mikael
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Date:
Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:31:05 -0800
From: John Christian <ie886@po.cwru.edu>
Subject: Team3S:
Re: No Boost
Hi,
[snip]
>Yes, no boost. Both the Autometer
and the in-dash boost gauges show only vacuum 20 to 0.
No Pressure
even at WOT.
>Shifted into 3rd and ran to 6000+ with boost only
dropping to 11 psi near red line.
>Shifted into 4th, looked behind and
saw the Porsche farther back. After that there was no more
BOOST.
>There is some oil in the Y-pipe
>The only mods are a
K&N filter and a manual boost controller(the pressure regulator
type).
>Since we have twin torbos, Isn't it strange I lost boost
from BOTH??
>How can I check the turbo(s)??
Thanks Roger Gerl, for
your suggestions:
1. All connections -- vacuum/pressure lines
& all hoses are in place
with no cracks or holes.
2. Wastegate
actuators stay in normal(closed) position from vacuum to
+10 psi and begin to
open at 10+ psi. Then start to open with
decreasing
pressure.
3. The BOV allows air flow in the normal(closed)
position. With vacuum
of 16 applied to control line, the valve
starts to open and allows air
flow.
4. Compression values for front
bank are: 1...110, 3...120,
5...115 My tester
is the rubber stopper type and 32+ years old. [not
the spark plug screw
in type]
5. Spark plug gap was .035 now
is 1...036, 3...037,
5...036
6. The new battery checks 13.1 volts not running.
When I put the TT
back together I'll check volts when running.
The
Stealth manual says the bypass valve should operate at vacuum 16.
It also
says to check for "pressure tightness". Guess mine
isn't
tight!
- ---> Is my bypass valve preventing
BOOST?? Are the TURBOS OKAY??
Neither the Mitsu nor the Dodge
dealers have a BOV in inventory. I
believe in factory components
ie oil filters, plugs, wire, etc. BUT is
a stock bypass valve best, or
should I consider an aftermarket one which
vents to the
atsmosphere? Jack T ....any extra ones laying around??
Is an open
one better for Road Courses?? Yes, I know it produces
a
unique SOUND.
I'm going to put the TT back together, 'bypass' the
bypass valve and see
if I get BOOST back.
- --
JCZoooM 93 TT
12.46@109Mph '94Brakes 4 warranty Getrags
If Getrag replaced
call Chrysler 800 992-1997 & register complaint
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/flats/4538
VR4's Mitsu at 800
222-0037
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Date:
Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:18:17 -0600
From: "Todd D Shelton" <tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Re: No Boost
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I've got a couple of stock BOV's - one is
new.
Let me know if you can't find any.
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Date: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 10:27 AM
Subject:
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Neither the
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I
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Date:
Wed, 11 Nov 1998 18:32:07 +0100
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: No Boost
> 2. Wastegate actuators stay in normal(closed)
position from vacuum to
> +10 psi and begin to open at 10+ psi. Then
start to open with
> decreasing pressure.
Maybe a typo because it
then should open more when INCREASING pressure.
> 3. The BOV
allows air flow in the normal(closed) position. With vacuum
> of
16 applied to control line, the valve starts to open and allows
air
> flow.
No, the valve should be closed and should not allow any
airflow under ambient or
increased pressure. As you said, it opens around
32-33inHg. During idleing, our
cars read around 45-48 inHg and therefore the
valve is open and releases some
pressure to the intake. Your problem can now
have two causes :
a) BPV doesn't close enough (damaged, dirty)
b) the
vacuum line is not attached to the right location (happend to me
once)
> 4. Compression values for front bank are:
1...110, 3...120,
> 5...115 My tester is the
rubber stopper type and 32+ years old. [not
> the spark plug screw
in type]
Well, not new but in the acceptable range with the tester
;-)
> The Stealth manual says the bypass valve should operate at
vacuum 16.
> It also says to check for "pressure tightness".
Guess mine isn't
> tight!
The signs point to the BPV as it seems to
leak. Once, the hose to the valve
popped off on mine due to a not-mounted
clamp (thanks Mr. Mitsu !) The car then
died and I wasn't able to drive. If
the BPV is somewhat stuck or doesn't close
good, enough air can flow out to
the intake and therefore releases boost. Why
not taking the BPV out and check
it ? I sent you pictures how it looks like
closed on the inside. When then
blowing air in from the underside, a very little
can go off and around 30
inHg it starts to open. Then releasing vaccum should
close the valve
again.
> Are the TURBOS OKAY??
At the moment I can't see a sign
why not.
> BUT is a stock bypass valve best, or should I consider an
aftermarket one
> which vents to the atsmosphere? Is an open one better
for Road Courses??
Just follow the thread here on the list about the
BOVs.
Hope this helps,
Roger
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93'3000GT TwinTurbo
(Animale Rosso)
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Date:
Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:56:12 -0600
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re:
No Boost
John:
Plug the BOV hose as you've outlined, to rule that
out. However, a
"catastrophic" or sudden loss of all boost REALLY
SCREAMS OUT a LARGE
leak in your pressurized air circuit, somewhere from
turbo outlets to
the throttlebody. I know you are thorough, but I will
strongly suggest
you check the 4 hose matings attaching to the front
intercoolers HIDDEN
under the front of the car/under the radiator area on
passengerside, and
behind headlight underhood aiming downward on
driverside. It is either
the BOV stuck open venting all boost, OR a
loose/blownoff/cracked hose,
or a LARGE hole someplace else in pressure
circuit. No way you lost
both turbos. Even one turbo would show
SOME boost.
Hope this helps,
Jack Tertadian
John Christian
wrote:
> no boost; gauges show only vacuum 20 to 0. No
Pressure even WOT.
> >Shifted 3rd, ran 6000+ boost dropping to 11 psi
near red line.
> >Shifted 4th,behind saw Porsche farther back.
After, no more BOOST.
> >There is oil in Y-pipe. mods: K&N,
manual boost controller
> >twin turbos, isn't strange lost boost from
BOTH?
> >How can I check turbos? Thanks Roger Gerl, for
suggestions:
1. All connections vacuum/pressure lines, hoses in place
with no
cracks/holes.
> Is bypass valve preventing BOOST? TURBOS
OKAY?
> going to 'bypass' bypass valve, see if BOOST back.
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Date:
Wed, 11 Nov 1998 12:46:40 PST
From: "Eric Lotter" <elotter@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Rear end shutter under heavye boost/High RPMS
Hey all,
I'm
trying to debug my sister's new VR-4, a replacement for her totaled
92 ES,
(1991, Red with 49k) for some "Post sales" warranty work.
If you could
decipher the title, you may know what I am talking about,
but I'll do my
best to describe it.
When you accelerate hard, the backend seems to
shimmy @ about 4500RPMS
in first through second. This occurs if you start
from a stop, or, if
you are moving and "get on it".
It is not on one
side of the car or the other, and sometimes feels like
it is coming from the
center of the car.
AWD?
Rear Dif?
Thoughts, ideas, concepts?
experiences?
Thanks.
Eric
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