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To: stealth-3000gt-digest@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S Digest V1 #21
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Team3S Digest        Tuesday, November 10 1998        Volume 01 : Number 021




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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 08:41:58 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: Team3S: RE: Team3S netiquette

Ed...

Personally (and as one of the Team3S founding brothers), I'd recommend separate messages. Why? Because I'm a
STRONG supporter of using the subject line for filtering purposes (either visual or electronic). Also, I'm
able to reply to each one separately without as much snipping and renaming the subject line (OK, so I'm lazy
as well).  :-)

Looking forward...Chris

"Friends don't let friends ride with me"

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4

- -----Original Message-----
From: Fein, Edward [SMTP:fein@strategy.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 1998 8:52 PM
To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'
Subject: Team3S: Cats, Trannys, and Magnets

<snip>

3) On netiquette (since people on this list seem very concerned over such
things) - if, as in this email, I have two (now three) completely unrelated
and relatively minor points to discuss, is is better to send one email
(thereby possibly starting two divergent threads with the same subject
line), or to break the message into separate messages (thereby putting an
extra mail into everyone's Inbox)?

   -Ed

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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 08:46:44 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: Team3S: 1997 SL 4sale

Howdy folks...

My one pitch for a friend:

1997 3000GT SL. Green. 7300 miles. Mint condition. $23,250 (below book). Reason for sale...just married,
starting a family, needs yuppie truck (yech). Tualatin (Portland metro area), Oregon.

E-mail me privately if you want his phone number and/or more information.

Looking forward...Chris

"Friends don't let friends ride with me"

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4

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Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 17:24:43 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Team3S: injector cleaners

Does anyone in the know, know if there is much difference (if any)
between the different injector cleaners ( fuel additives) which are
available, and the best (again if any).  If they are at all like the oil
supplements, then the Slick 50 and upper market products are likely not
worth the bucks. Prices range from $3-25 here with the aforementioned at
the upper limit....STP near the basement.

Darc

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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 19:38:23 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: injector cleaners

Many have had good success with Techron.  I have used it on a few different
EFI engines and it does the trick without much fuss.  There are likely
others that are equally as good.


Regards,

Barry

> Does anyone in the know, know if there is much difference (if any)
> between the different injector cleaners ( fuel additives) which are
> available, and the best (again if any).  If they are at all like the oil
> supplements, then the Slick 50 and upper market products are likely not
> worth the bucks. Prices range from $3-25 here with the aforementioned at
> the upper limit....STP near the basement.
>
> Darc

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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 21:35:25 -0600
From: "Steven A. File" <sfile@usa.net>
Subject: Team3S: Firestone Firehawk 275/40R17 Z250 Tires

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I want to thank Barry King and Ed Fein (definitely the list wheel/tire
experts) for their outstanding advice on buying Firestone Firehawk 275/40R17
SZ50 tires with 17-inch wheels (Epic Assassins 17"x7-1/2"). I cannot believe
the difference in handling with my NA--totally awesome tires--the handling
now approaches my TT!!   8-))   The surprising part is that the ride is also
noticeably smoother than the stock Yoko 225/55x16s!

I had always attributed the considerable handling differences between the
two cars to AWS/AWD vs. FWD than the tires and wheel size.  WRONG! It is
clearly apparent that these tires have much  better handling characteristics
than the stock Yokahamas that come on both cars (225/55x16 A-022As on the NA
and the 245/40x18 A028s on the TT) in cornering and dramatically less
wandering! (Probably somewhat attributable to the extra width and shorter
sidewall.) They also cost less than the Yokos.

I got the tires and wheels from National Wheel in Tennessee (Tom at
http://www.customwheel.com or (888) 266-5177) for $1985 including mounting,
high speed balancing (using Hunter Engineering equipment), hub centrics,
Gorilla locking lugs and freight.  You can look at the tires on the
Bridgestone-Firestone web site at
http://www.bridgestone-usa.com/products_java.htm (click on Firestone then
click on SZ50). As Ed Fein has stated in a previous post, these tires have a
very  interesting characteristic in as that they have a shoulder that
extends out a 1/4" which helps protect the wheels. (I will definitely put
them on my teenage daughters' Eclipse GSX to help protect their polished
wheels.)

This may be the wrong time of the year for you Northerners putting on snow
tires, but I live in the Florida panhandle where it snows only about once
every 20 years!  <BG>  8)  I almost can't wait to do tires on the VR-4 . . .
well maybe not since the Z250s do not come in 18 inch.   8(   Oh well, maybe
the stock alloy 16-inchers will have to go back on the NA and the Assassins
on the TT . . . or maybe Bridgestone Potenza S-02 Pole Positions 18-inchers
at $275 per tire (ouch) . . .

Steve File
mailto:sfile@usa.net
Weekday Toy: '98 Mitsubishi 3000 GT, SOHC: "The Beep-Beep" (No longer pure
stock)
Weekend Toy: '97 Mitsubishi 3000 GT, VR-4, AWD, AWS, TT: "The Turbo
Beep-Beep"
Both Solano Black Pearl
Daughters' Toy: '97 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX, Magenta Grey Pearl: "The Gray
Ghost"

"Nothing big ever came from being small."

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Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 21:46:12 -0600
From: Jeff Crabtree <wjcrabtree@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: SHIRTS! Update(11-09(was HUGE ANNOUNCEMENT)

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Hey guys,

    I have more info on the embroidered denim shirts plan.  First of
all, I have attached BOB FORREST'S logo design that is the final design
for the merchandise.  This is the color correct, proper scale version
that will appear on the merchandise.  Thanks to Bob for providing me
with the correct version of the logo, the last one I posted was a
quickie that I did up while I was waiting for the right one.  If you
would like more info on the logo itself, please e-mail Bob
Forrest(bf@bobforrest.com) as it his his design.

    Now,  I have pricing information on the shirts.  The shirts I want
to use for the logo are THREE RIVERS brand, light blue, denim shirts.  I
have one of these shirts that has the logo from the TV station that I
work at on it. It has lasted me a good two years now under working
conditions(I'm an engineer so I do a little rolling around in it)and it
still looks new.  It's warm enough to wear in the winter but still
comfortable in the summer.

    The pricing is a little confusing so I'll give you the worst case
scenario.  IF we only ordered the shirts ONE AT A TIME, the pricing
would be as follows.

Small, Medium, Large, Extra Large:  $21.80
2 X-Large                                        $24.90
3X-Large                                         $27.40

    These Prices DON'T include tax.  So figure that in.  I still don't
have EXACT pricing info on the embroidery work yet, but I've been given
the estimate of $4.00 per shirt.  This puts us just about in the
ballpark of the $30 mark that I was shooting for.  I'll work out how
shipping will be taken care of once I start taking orders.

REMEMBER:  If you have any questions or comments about this situation,
please E-mail me directly(wjcrabtree@sprintmail.com) and use the subject
line "shirts" so that my e-mail filter can help me keep track of all the
mail.

We're even closer.

- --
- -Jeff Crabtree
   '91 Stealth R/T Turbo
      '93 Jeep YJ Wrangler Sport
         St. Louis, MO


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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:01:35 +0100
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Firestone Firehawk 275/40R17 Z250 Tires

Yes, this is also the "best" tire on the 4th gen Camaro/Firebird list !

Unfortunately, it is not available in any size in Switzerland (also not in
Germany). I called Bridgestone/Firestone and they told me that the sidewall
stability of them do not pass the european standard norms. Maybe the
gouvernments only protect the european tire manufacturers (Dunlop, Pirelly,
Michelin,...) The Yokohama SZ-1 are the cheapest performance tires and I only
paid $500 for a set 255/40-17. But they aren't the best ones. The SP8000 was
definitely better as well as the Goodyear F1 but cost was about $300 per tires
here ... this is ouch !

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Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 01:22:24 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Firestone Firehawk 275/40R17 Z250 Tires

I am very curious as to what these sidewall stability standards entail.

I know based on my experience that the sidewalls on these tires do not allow
rollover beyond the tread.  Previous tires I have used would allow rollover
beyond the tread, that is ONTO the sidewall.  I run the tires at 31/29 psi
on the street and live for 60 mph 90 degree turns -- they do not rollover.
I know that the GSC and the XGTZ I have used in the past both allowed roll
over onto the sidewall resulting in compromised cornering stability.

Any details as to these standards Roger?  Maybe it is one of those political
deals.  Maybe sidewall stability is defined such that it has nothing to do
with sidewall flexibility which allows rollover.  *shrug*  I find it curious
that the SZ50 has such stiff sidewalls yet maintains a reasonably ride
quality.

In any case, the SZ50 blows away the GSC and XGTZ hands down in any
practical situation on the VR4.  I can't comment on snow performance -- I
don't see a lot of that here in the desert. ;)


Regards,

Barry

> Yes, this is also the "best" tire on the 4th gen Camaro/Firebird list !
>
> Unfortunately, it is not available in any size in Switzerland (also not in
> Germany). I called Bridgestone/Firestone and they told me that
> the sidewall
> stability of them do not pass the european standard norms. Maybe the
> gouvernments only protect the european tire manufacturers
> (Dunlop, Pirelly,
> Michelin,...) The Yokohama SZ-1 are the cheapest performance
> tires and I only
> paid $500 for a set 255/40-17. But they aren't the best ones. The
> SP8000 was
> definitely better as well as the Goodyear F1 but cost was about
> $300 per tires
> here ... this is ouch !
>
> -----------------------
> Roger Gerl, Switzerland
> 93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 07:18:11 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: Firestone Firehawk 275/40R17 Z250 Tires

Steven A. File wrote:

> I want to thank Barry King and Ed Fein (definitely the list wheel/tire
> experts) for their outstanding advice on buying Firestone Firehawk 275/40R17
> SZ50 tires ....<snip>

It's nice to see such feedback to acknowledge such great guys.

Not that Barry is the only Guru here (another mentioned in the same breath) ...but advice from him is genuine, knowledgeable, and understandable. Consider all advise you get and make up your own mind, but in the case of Barry, pay attention ...it doesn't come much better. As I noted earlier, help from him was indispensable with my BC instalation...when the manufacturer of the same at their help address, may as well have been dead.

Darc

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:21:12 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: Team3S: RE: Firestone Firehawk Tires

Steven...

Thanks for the post. This subject is somewhat like the Boost Controller thread, I believe several people have
tons of experience that can benefit those of us making a decision.

Soooo, my two questions for those of you who are running 18" rims and have experimented with different tires,
what is your favorite and why?

From my own perspective, I only drive my VR4 on dry streets, so the "all weather" approach of the Dunlop
SP9000s doesn't interest me. From what I've read and researched, the Michelin Pilot MMXs are probably the
best dry pavement tire money can buy, but they're VERY soft and will likely disappear in under 15K miles
which isn't very good for $400/tire. The Firestone lack of wandering and bead to prevent rim dings sounds
great but your comment indicates they're not available in a 18" diameter. I'm leaning towards the Michelin
XGT-Z4, but it sounds like someone (Barry or Ed?) has reason not to recommend them. The reason??? Keep in
mind I'm interested in dry cornering and traction, not wet, and I'd like a treadwear of 200 (or better) if
possible.

Also, has anyone bought aftermarket 18" chromes with a non-factory offset (35mm) that allows 275mm or larger
tires to be mounted? The brand and style? Results?

Looking forward...Chris

"Friends don't let friends ride with me"

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4

- -----Original Message-----
From: Steven A. File [SMTP:sfile@usa.net]
Sent: Monday, November 09, 1998 7:35 PM
To: Team 3S; Starnet
Subject: Team3S: Firestone Firehawk 275/40R17 Z250 Tires

I want to thank Barry King and Ed Fein (definitely the list wheel/tire
experts) for their outstanding advice on buying Firestone Firehawk 275/40R17
SZ50 tires with 17-inch wheels (Epic Assassins 17"x7-1/2"). I cannot believe
the difference in handling with my NA--totally awesome tires--the handling
now approaches my TT!!   8-))   The surprising part is that the ride is also
noticeably smoother than the stock Yoko 225/55x16s!
<snip>
I almost can't wait to do tires on the VR-4 . . .
well maybe not since the Z250s do not come in 18 inch.   8(   Oh well, maybe
the stock alloy 16-inchers will have to go back on the NA and the Assassins
on the TT . . . or maybe Bridgestone Potenza S-02 Pole Positions 18-inchers
at $275 per tire (ouch) . . .

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