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Date:
Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:15:58 -0500
From: "Ron-a-roid" <rtetetet@email.msn.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Youngsters in Back Seat
Our 5 year old doesn't fare well in
the back because he gets carsick. Even
though he is a fairly big kid
(70 lbs. and 4 ft. tall), he cannot see out
those little windows, or over the
back of the front seats very well.....
- -----Original Message-----
From:
Jim Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date:
Tuesday, November 03, 1998 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Youngsters in Back
Seat
>Ron-a-roid wrote:
>>
>> BTW; anybody
disconnected the passenger airbag? Got a 5 year old boy who
>> don't
fair well in the back seat and I'm gonna have to do this, maybe a
>>
switch or something.
>
>Is this physical or behavioral? Just
curious, since I was hoping
>my daughter (currently 13 months) would be
able to fit back there
>for quite some years to come. The front
facing car seat worked
>well until recently, when she grew tall enough
that her legs went
>past the edge of the seat (now there isn't enough leg
room), but
>once she's in a booster seat and then just in the regular
seat,
>I thought there would be ample room (ever see those little
elem.
>school chairs?). It alse seems like such a cozy but
comfortable
>bucket seat would be safer than a big, open, flat back seat
like
>in most cars. Thanx...
>
>
-Jim
>--
>Matthews - Wiesbaden, Germany
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>
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Date:
Tue, 03 Nov 1998 23:14:28 +0100
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Re: Tuning on AWD dyno
> > tuned-in with an A/F controller,
but don't expect any horses for this.
>
> I hope you are not
suggesting that tuning a rich mixture to a more optimal
> mixture is not
going to give the engine more power. If so that is simply
> not
true.
Nono, you're right. Of course the closer to the perfect mixture the
more horses
you'll get. I definitely mixed up two sentences :/
>
The AFC is a poor general solution for hopefully (by now) obvious
reasons.
I was able to get about 15hp with the help of the AFC. Of course
it can't do
what the TRE does as it only tweaks the MAS signal by rpm. The
VPC also can do
more. But leaning the mixture out a little more around 5600
really helped.
> This is confusing. You say "but on our cars
nothing can be done". The
> whole point of tuning any additional
device (boost controller, fuel
> computer, ignition computer) is to make
more power and this definitely
> helps.
Sure i agree with you by
150%, but the question was "...what can be tuned on a
stock car ?" (bone
stock car). "Any additional" device is the keyword here and
this is where the
power lies for sure. IMHO, I don't know any way to make the
mixture richer or
leaner without an additional device. The only screw I know of
is the idle
adjust :) and also the plugs can be regapped. Any more stock
tune-in's
?
> Yes, the ECU still does its thing but it doesn't
necessarily
> outright override other properly designed tuning
devices.
Yes, the ECU cannot override the devices as they tweak the ECU
thinking
everything is about normal <g> I think the confusion is not
due to the language
but due to interpreting the question. But I'm sure we are
speaking the same way
with the same understanding :)
Cheers,
Roger
- -----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT
TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
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Date:
Tue, 03 Nov 1998 23:19:05 +0100
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Youngsters in Back Seat
> Is this physical or
behavioral? Just curious, since I was hoping
> my daughter
(currently 13 months) would be able to fit back there
> for quite some
years to come.
I had some youngsters between 2 1/2 and 8 in my car
(depend on girlfriend I had
<g>) and we never had any problem with
physical "fitting". Also they often fell
asleep after a few minutes
;-)
No overboost with kids in the car allowed
!
Cheers,
Roger
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Date:
Tue, 03 Nov 1998 23:25:23 +0100
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Free Flowing Exhausts
> 49177-004x0 are part numbers for the
TD04L-13G 6cm^2 where x may be 0, 1 or
2
>
|
> +- This digit on a 13G is
ground down "2" and stamped with
"0"
> It will
be very obvious.
This is exactly what on mine has been done. BTW, the
rear one shows 00400 and
the front 00300 (?) Unfortunately the ground work
was done bad and the third
digit could also be an 8.
> Also, if you
look at the compressor wheel it will be immediately obvious.
> Look at Bob
Fontanna's site for pictures of each of 9B, 13G and 15G (which
> look
identical to 13G wheels other than the diameter).
Yep, mine are 13G's
(hehe)
Cheers,
Roger
- -----------------------
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Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
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Date:
Tue, 03 Nov 1998 23:33:00 +0100
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Free Flowing Exhausts / pre-cat replacement
As we now, David
Buschur was able to create a front replacement pipe but not the
rear one.
Does anybody know of any other "pipe-maker" that is able to do a
replacement,
maybe also with a O2 housing replacement part too ? I already
emailed HRC
Hahn Racecraft as they are producing the "Eliminator Downpipe/O2
housings"
but I haven't got any response yet.
Any ideas ?
Thanks, Roger
-
-----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo
(Animale Rosso)
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Date:
Tue, 3 Nov 1998 20:53:49 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Free Flowing
Exhausts / pre-cat replacement
No Roger. I have not found a set either.
If you do keep me in mind. I'll buy a
set too.
Arty 91 VR-4
In a
message dated 11/3/98 11:38:15 PM !!!First Boot!!!, robby@swissonline.ch
writes:
<<
From: robby@swissonline.ch
(R.G.)
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As
we now, David Buschur was able to create a front replacement pipe but
not
the
rear one. Does anybody know of any other "pipe-maker" that
is able to do a
replacement, maybe also with a O2 housing replacement
part too ? I already
emailed HRC Hahn Racecraft as they are producing
the "Eliminator Downpipe/O2
housings" but I haven't got any response
yet.
Any ideas ?
Thanks,
Roger
-----------------------
Roger Gerl,
Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
>>
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Date:
Tue, 3 Nov 1998 22:18:06 -0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Radar Detectors...
We don't want to spend a lot of bandwidth on this, but
because we have lots
of new folks on "Team3S" who haven't been on other
lists, I think it bears
some discussion. It's been carefully researched
by Parham and others, that
the Valentine One is the only way to go, and that
other types of "laser
neutralizing" systems are total bunk. Is there a
central page on someone's
site with a full explanation?
Parham...? Eric...?
Rather than a two month discussion, with flames
and all, and a small thesis
or two from Parham, I think a few points and a
referral page will give us
all the info we need. Suggestions,
anyone...?
Thanks, all...
Forrest
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Date:
Tue, 3 Nov 1998 23:27:02 -0600
From: "Oskar" <swede@pclink.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Passenger airbag diconnect (Was Brake Wobble)
I just learned something
that I would've never found out if it wasn't for
this list. Thanks
Dennis for being so informed. I will further look into
this matter as
my wife and I would like to have one of these switches
installed. I
would've never imagined that there would be a switch available
for my
Stealth! I envisioned myself under the dash snipping wires...
I'm
glad I can skip that idea!
BTW - there is a printable form right
on this site.
Oskar
'95 R/T TT
"The Great White"
soon with
optional passenger airbag
Dennis Moore wrote:
>
>http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/airbags/
>
>According
to the links on this page, the switches for all model years of
>the
Stealth were available 20 Oct, and 3000s should be available
by
>mid-December.
>
>Oddly enough, one thing I didn't find was
how to obtain the form you need
>to fill out to get the switch
installation authorized...
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>Dennis
Moore
>stealth@kiva.net
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Date:
Wed, 4 Nov 1998 07:47:35 +0100
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?="
<vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Free Flowing Exhausts
Roger Wrote: >Try to check the number
shown on the front bottom of >the front turbo. Or just
>remove the
intake pipe and look into the turbine.
It's a little hard to see the
number the lights in the garage at my work isn't the best. And the winning
number is (I think) (drums...) 49177-02300
What did I win ??? A 13G
or just the 9 ?? :)
/Mikael
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Date:
Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:10:28 +0100
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?="
<vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Free Flowing Exhausts
Hmmm I must have missed the mail when you
posted it last time.
And now I know that I have the 9B turbos. (or
atleast one 9B)
I thought about one more possibility and that is if the
previous owner in US have changed to 13 or 15G turbos the car woulden't have
been alowed into sweden because of the missmatch numbers on the turbos. (all
part numbers are checked when imported to see that the car is 100% stock) The
easiest way to change the numbers is to just change the front trubo and let the
back turbo remain the aftermarket turbo.
Can this be possible?? would a
car run at all with this "sequencial twinturbo design" ?? Actually this isn't
such a dumb idea if we construct a Y-pipe that restrict air from turning and
going back to the other turbo beacause the would make the two turbos (one big
and one HUGE) work against each other and massive compressor
surge.
/Mikael "Still confused but on a higher level"
From: Barry
E. King <beking@home.com>
>Mikael,
>
>A
week or so back I posted a detailed description of how to identify 9Bs
and
>13Gs. Did you not see the post? It was in direct response
to one of your
>messages.
>
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Date:
Wed, 04 Nov 1998 09:05:05 +0100
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Free Flowing Exhausts / Turbos
> all part numbers are checked
when imported to see that the car is 100% stock
Hehe, my Camaro Z28 also
was imported to Switzerland and the only thing they
checked was the noise,
intake filter and exhaust :)
> Can this be possible?? would a car run
at all with this "sequencial twinturbo
> design" ??
I can't see why
not. IMHO it is not a real good idea to do this as the
backpressure from the
turbos is different and the banks would be under different
load. On the Supra
the small/big turbo design works as they are connected to one
exhaust
manifold and at lower rpm while the small one is spinning the rear
bigger one
is standing still (sequential). A real dual-turbo (big/small) turbo
system
could gain of a smaller lag and better low end power as well as holding
boost
up to the redline :) But I think the exhaust manifolds should be
connected
together in some way for this.
Cheers, Roger
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-----------------------
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93'3000GT TwinTurbo
(Animale Rosso)
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Date:
Wed, 04 Nov 1998 20:20:36 +1100
From: andrew clark <chemist1@ozemail.com.au>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Tuning with AWD Dyno
Thanks Barry for the reply.
Barry E.
King wrote:
> Quite often the rotten egg smell accompanies a failing or
failed catalytic converter
Actually the car has only really produced this
rotten egg smell since I
changed the air filter to the K&N replacement. I
don't know if this
would effect anything, but it only started happening once
the stock air
filter was changed.
> What color are
your tailpipes? Is there a high amount of soot?
The tail pipes are
clean. There is only the slight discoloration of the
chrome due to the heat,
but no soot.
Cheers
Andrew
Australia
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Date:
Wed, 4 Nov 1998 06:54:27 -0500
From: Bob Fontana <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Free Flowing Exhausts
Guys,
Do you really think that
the inspectors go as far as to
check the numbers on the compressor
housings? If the
length of this thread is any indication of the amount
of
confusion that exists about those numbers, how would the
inspectors
be able to tell? Who in Sweden knows enough
about these cars to
realize that there's even a
*difference* between compressor wheels?
-
-Bob
I thought about one more possibility and that is if the
previous
owner in US have changed to 13 or 15G turbos the
car woulden't have been
alowed into sweden because of the
missmatch numbers on the turbos. (all part
numbers are
checked when imported to see that the car is 100% stock)
The
easiest way to change the numbers is to just change the
front trubo and let
the back turbo remain the aftermarket
turbo.
Can this be possible??
would a car run at all with this
"sequencial twinturbo design" ?? Actually
this isn't such a
dumb idea if we construct a Y-pipe that restrict air from
turning and going back to the other turbo beacause the
would make the
two turbos (one big and one HUGE) work
against each other and massive
compressor surge.
/Mikael "Still confused but on a higher
level"
From: Barry E. King <beking@home.com>
>Mikael,
>
>A
week or so back I posted a detailed description of how
to identify 9Bs
and
>13Gs. Did you not see the post? It was in direct
response to one of your
>messages.
>
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Date:
Wed, 4 Nov 1998 15:10:50 +0100
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?="
<vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Free Flowing Exhausts
It's time to end the Swedish thread
regarding turbos now. But first one last thing. The inspectors are using some
list there all serialnumbers of the cars produced are listed and all partnumbers
of exhaust, turbos, CAT, ECU and engine etc. are listed so they can see that the
car fulfill the polution spec. I have heard of several people that have bought a
car from Germany or US and when the car are tested they notice that the ECU
isn't stock and they then have to buy a brand new ECU and that is very
expensive. BTW I had to "jam" the active exhaust in tour mode to get past the
test.
Over and out
From: Bob Fontana <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
>Guys,
>
>Do
you really think that the inspectors go as far as to
>check the numbers
on the compressor housings? If the
>length of this thread is any
indication of the amount of
>confusion that exists about those numbers,
how would the
>inspectors be able to tell? Who in Sweden knows
enough
>about these cars to realize that there's even a
>*difference* between compressor
wheels?
>
>-Bob
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Date:
Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:03:27 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject:
Team3S: RE: pre-cat replacement
Howdy folks...
Sounds like there's
two folks looking for pre-cat replacement pipes. I'll be a third. Perhaps, if we
pool our
numbers, we have enough business to prompt a shop to make a
production run? Someone like ATR might be
interested, as they already stock
everything from the downpipe and back. I'll give them a call, but let me
know:
A. If you're interested
B. What year you'd need (I believe
it'll be different for 1st and 2nd gen 3KGT, not sure about
Stealths).
Looking forward...Chris
"Friends don't let friends ride
with me"
1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Aso8@aol.com [SMTP:Aso8@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday,
November 03, 1998 5:54 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Cc:
Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Free
Flowing Exhausts / pre-cat replacement
No Roger. I have not found a set
either. If you do keep me in mind. I'll buy a
set too.
Arty 91
VR-4
In a message dated 11/3/98 11:38:15 PM !!!First Boot!!!, robby@swissonline.ch
writes:
<<
From: robby@swissonline.ch
(R.G.)
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As
we now, David Buschur was able to create a front replacement pipe but
not
the
rear one. Does anybody know of any other "pipe-maker" that
is able to do a
replacement, maybe also with a O2 housing replacement
part too ? I already
emailed HRC Hahn Racecraft as they are producing
the "Eliminator Downpipe/O2
housings" but I haven't got any response
yet.
Any ideas ?
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web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
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Date:
Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:10:20 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject:
Team3S: RE: Radar Detectors...
Howdy folks...
My best
recommendation for reviews on detectors is Road & Track. They've done one
every two years. Seems like
a good test process, clear write-ups. V1 has
always been the clear leader.
However, as a V1 owner who just received a
lidar citation a few months back, the best source for information
about
tickets and how to fight them, is the National Motorist Association (NMA).
They're located at:
http://www.motorists.com/index.html
The
annual membership is reasonable, you get a newsletter, a introductory tape on
how to fight tickets, and
access to their court materials. For $30/month
rental, they offer a five pound ticket fighting package with
videos, five
books, checklists, and state specific laws, that's the best I've ever
seen.
Looking forward...Chris
"Friends don't let friends ride with
me"
1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Bob Forrest [SMTP:bf@bobforrest.com]
Sent:
Tuesday, November 03, 1998 10:18 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Team3S: Radar Detectors...
<snip>
Rather than a two month
discussion, with flames and all, and a small thesis
or two from Parham, I
think a few points and a referral page will give us
all the info we
need. Suggestions, anyone...?
Thanks, all...Forrest
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Date:
Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:11:52 -0500
From: Bob Fontana <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: RE: pre-cat replacement
Dave B. has replacement pipes for the
front. I think they
are $125 apiece. He can be reached at (419)
929-2378. I
have one and it looks/fits great.
- -Bob
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Date:
Wed, 04 Nov 1998 17:27:15 +0100
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: RE: pre-cat replacement
> A. If you're interested
YES !
Maybe with O2 housing eliminator (bigger is better)
> B. What year
you'd need
93'3000GT (but I'm not sure if the precats are
different)
We already know that David has the front one but not the rear.
IMHO, if I change
them I'll do both.
Thanks,
Roger
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-----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo
(Animale Rosso)
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Date:
Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:34:18 -0500
From: "Robert T. Rand" <rtr@vnet.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE:
pre-cat replacement
I could use a little advice. I am getting ready
to gut the pre-cats on my
93 Stealth TT. Is there any problem with
doing this, or any issues that I
should be prepaired to deal with before I
start the project.
Thanks in advance for the info
Bob
-
-----Original Message-----
From: R.G. <robby@swissonline.ch>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date:
Wednesday, November 04, 1998 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: pre-cat
replacement
>> A. If you're interested
>
>YES !
Maybe with O2 housing eliminator (bigger is better)
>
>> B. What
year you'd need
>
>93'3000GT (but I'm not sure if the precats are
different)
>
>We already know that David has the front one but not
the rear. IMHO, if I
change
>them I'll do
both.
>
>Thanks,
>Roger
>
>-----------------------
>Roger
Gerl, Switzerland
>93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
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Date:
Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:48:51 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject:
Team3S: RE: gutting the cat
Bob...
What do you mean by
"gut"?
If the interior of the pipe is not smooth, I think there will be
an issue with flow.
Another issue, for those of us with periodic DEQ
requirements, is the ability to change the system back to
stock to pass
emissions tests (although I've heard that some still pass w/o the main cat).
That's every two
years in Oregon.
Looking
forward...Chris
"Friends don't let friends ride with me"
1995
Glacier Pearl White VR4
- -----Original Message-----
From: Robert T.
Rand [SMTP:rtr@vnet.net]
Sent:
Thursday, November 05, 1998 8:34 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Re: Team3S: RE: pre-cat replacement
I could use a little advice. I
am getting ready to gut the pre-cats on my
93 Stealth TT. Is there any
problem with doing this, or any issues that I
should be prepaired to deal
with before I start the project.
Thanks in advance for the
info
Bob
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Date:
Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:50:48 -0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Radar Detectors...
Thanks to Parham for sending me the URL to the
detector section on his
site...
www.3000gt.com/radar.htm
Forrest
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Date:
Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:51:16 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: pre-cat
replacement
Hi Chris, my year is the 91 VR-4. I'd like both precat
downpipes made in
Stainless Steel with the O2 housing. I wood need at least a
3 inch pipe size
to make it worth the effort to change. If they will do it,
advise cost prior
to ordering. Maybe afew others may wish to order too.
Quanity reduction?
Thanks Arty
In a message dated 11/4/98 8:04:02 AM
Pacific Standard Time,
cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com
writes:
<< Subj: Team3S: RE: pre-cat replacement
Date:
11/4/98 8:04:02 AM Pacific Standard Time
From: cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com (Chris
Winkley)
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Reply-to:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
('stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com')
Howdy
folks...
Sounds like there's two folks looking for pre-cat
replacement pipes. I'll be
a third. Perhaps, if we pool our
numbers, we have enough business to prompt a shop to make a production
run?
Someone like ATR might be
interested, as they already stock
everything from the downpipe and back. I'll
give them a call, but let me
know:
A. If you're interested
B. What year
you'd need (I believe it'll be different for 1st and 2nd gen
3KGT, not sure
about Stealths).
>>
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Date:
Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:52:16 EST
From: LotoBoost@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S:
RE: pre-cat replacement
In a message dated 11/4/98 11:33:13 AM Eastern
Standard Time, rtr@vnet.net
writes:
<< I could
use a little advice. I am getting ready to gut the pre-cats on
my
93 Stealth TT. Is there any problem with doing this, or any
issues that I
should be prepaired to deal with before I start the
project. >>
Bob,
There really aren't any
problems with gutting your pre-cats unless your
worried about
air-polution. If anything, gutting the pre-cats should give you
some
extra power, and keep the exhuast temps. down a bit which is a good
thing
:).
If you have a lift gutting the rear-cat will be twice as
easy, if not get the
car off the ground as high as you can so you have some
room to work.
But first, the front cat is easy to gut. Just
unbolt the cat and take it out.
Put it on the work bench and gut away (I used
a drill and several huge screw
drivers and a chissel).
Then its
time for the fun to begin.. the rear cat! :). I've gutted two of
them
so far, and its a REAL bitch. First take the proper safety
precautions.
I wore a ski-cap with a T-shirt/towel around my face to keep any
hot metal
shavings from burning my skin (also had a set of thick overalls so
the rest of
my body was protected). I also wore a nice pair of
protective eye goggles to
keep my eyes safe.
When your face/neck/body
is protected, get underneath the car and with a
fairly larger drill bit,
drill away. When drilling make sure to take your
time and not drill
through the other side of the pre-cat! That wouldn't be
pretty..
Dont worry about removing the rear 02 sesor, because it is far up
and out of
the way (pretty much impossible to hit it). What I did was drilled
the
crap out as best I could, then I took a chissle and chisseled away. Use
a
long pair of needle nose to remove the chunks. It took me a good hour
to get
everything cleaned out of the rear cat (doesn't include the time to
remove the
downpipe and everything else).
But when its all over and
done with, new gaskets and all, the car will sound
alot better IMO and the
turbos will spool instantly! We'll worth the time and
effort
:).
Mike Mahaffey - '94 Stealth tt Best et: 11.6 Best mph:
120.7
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Date:
Thu, 5 Nov 1998 12:35:51 -0500
From: "Robert T. Rand" <rtr@vnet.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE:
gutting the cat
Chris, It is my intent to remove all the material
from the pre-cats so that
it will be as much of a straight thru pipe as
possible. Won't be totally
smooth, but less restrictive than with cat
material.
My Mods that I am in the process of doing at this point will
be:
. K&N air charger (cheaper because I dont have to worry
about emissions
testing)
. Borla cat back
. Super blow off
valve
. Boost controller
. Magnicore wires
. Plat. plugs.
. Gut cat
or install test pipe.
. Gut pre-cats.
Will stop there for awhile as I
am just driving on the street not on track.
I live in South Carolina, so
don;t have to worry about emissions testing.
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
To:
'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date:
Wednesday, November 04, 1998 12:18 PM
Subject: Team3S: RE: gutting the
cat
>Bob...
>
>What do you mean by
"gut"?
>
>If the interior of the pipe is not smooth, I think there
will be an issue
with flow.
>
>Another issue, for those of us
with periodic DEQ requirements, is the
ability to change the system back
to
>stock to pass emissions tests (although I've heard that some still
pass w/o
the main cat). That's every two
>years in
Oregon.
>
>Looking forward...Chris
>
>"Friends don't let
friends ride with me"
>
>1995 Glacier Pearl White
VR4
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Robert T. Rand [SMTP:rtr@vnet.net]
>Sent: Thursday,
November 05, 1998 8:34 AM
>To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>Subject:
Re: Team3S: RE: pre-cat replacement
>
>I could use a little
advice. I am getting ready to gut the pre-cats on my
>93 Stealth
TT. Is there any problem with doing this, or any issues that
I
>should be prepaired to deal with before I start the
project.
>
>Thanks in advance for the
info
>
>Bob
>
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Date:
Thu, 5 Nov 1998 12:41:19 -0500
From: "Robert T. Rand" <rtr@vnet.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE:
pre-cat replacement
Thanks Mike, That was exactly what I was hoping
to hear. Ans thanks for
the project outline. (Saves head scratching
time)
Bob
- -----Original Message-----
From: LotoBoost@aol.com <LotoBoost@aol.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date:
Wednesday, November 04, 1998 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: pre-cat
replacement
>In a message dated 11/4/98 11:33:13 AM Eastern
Standard Time, rtr@vnet.net
>writes:
>
><<
I could use a little advice. I am getting ready to gut the pre-cats
on
my
> 93 Stealth TT. Is there any problem with doing this, or
any issues that I
> should be prepaired to deal with before I start the
project. >>
>
>Bob,
>
> There really
aren't any problems with gutting your pre-cats unless your
>worried about
air-polution. If anything, gutting the pre-cats should
give
you
>some extra power, and keep the exhuast temps. down a bit
which is a good
thing
>:).
>
>If you have a lift gutting
the rear-cat will be twice as easy, if not get
the
>car off the ground
as high as you can so you have some room to work.
>But first, the front
cat is easy to gut. Just unbolt the cat and take it
out.
>Put it
on the work bench and gut away (I used a drill and several
huge
screw
>drivers and a chissel).
>Then its time for the fun to
begin.. the rear cat! :). I've gutted two of
>them so far, and its a
REAL bitch. First take the proper safety
precautions.
>I wore a
ski-cap with a T-shirt/towel around my face to keep any hot
metal
>shavings from burning my skin (also had a set of thick overalls so
the rest
of
>my body was protected). I also wore a nice pair of
protective eye goggles
to
>keep my eyes safe.
>
>When your
face/neck/body is protected, get underneath the car and with a
>fairly
larger drill bit, drill away. When drilling make sure to take
your
>time and not drill through the other side of the pre-cat! That
wouldn't be
>pretty.. Dont worry about removing the rear 02 sesor,
because it is far up
>and out of the way (pretty much impossible to hit
it). What I did was
drilled
>the crap out as best I could, then I
took a chissle and chisseled away.
Use a
>long pair of needle nose to
remove the chunks. It took me a good hour to
get
>everything
cleaned out of the rear cat (doesn't include the time to
remove
the
>downpipe and everything else).
>
>But when its
all over and done with, new gaskets and all, the car will
sound
>alot
better IMO and the turbos will spool instantly! We'll worth the
time
and
>effort :).
>
>Mike Mahaffey - '94 Stealth tt Best
et: 11.6 Best mph: 120.7
>For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
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Date:
Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:56:19 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Free Flowing Exhausts
Actually that is correct. -004x0 is one side,
003x0 is the other :)
Barry
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On
Behalf Of R.G.
> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 3:25 PM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Free Flowing Exhausts
>
>
> >
49177-004x0 are part numbers for the TD04L-13G 6cm^2 where x
> may be 0,
1 or 2
> > |
>
> +- This digit on a 13G is ground
down "2" and stamped with "0"
>
> It will be very
obvious.
>
> This is exactly what on mine has been done. BTW, the
rear one
> shows 00400 and
> the front 00300 (?) Unfortunately the
ground work was done bad
> and the third
> digit could also be an
8.
>
> > Also, if you look at the compressor wheel it will be
> immediately obvious.
> > Look at Bob Fontanna's site for
pictures of each of 9B, 13G and
> 15G (which
> > look identical
to 13G wheels other than the diameter).
>
> Yep, mine are 13G's
(hehe)
>
> Cheers,
> Roger
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Date:
Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:57:33 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Re: Tuning on AWD dyno
Roger,
As to your responses, I figured as
much but just wanted to be sure. I
wanted to make sure that clean Swiss
air wasn't affecting the brain cells or
something ;)
I know you
know, and now you know I know, and know everyone else
knows,
and...and...
Regards,
Barry
>
-----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On
Behalf Of R.G.
> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 3:14 PM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Tuning on AWD dyno
>
>
> > >
tuned-in with an A/F controller, but don't expect any horses for this.
>
>
> > I hope you are not suggesting that tuning a rich mixture to
a
> more optimal
> > mixture is not going to give the engine more
power. If so that
> is simply
> > not true.
>
>
Nono, you're right. Of course the closer to the perfect mixture
> the more
horses
> you'll get. I definitely mixed up two sentences
:/
>
> > The AFC is a poor general solution for hopefully (by
now)
> obvious reasons.
>
> I was able to get about 15hp with
the help of the AFC. Of course
> it can't do
> what the TRE does as
it only tweaks the MAS signal by rpm. The
> VPC also can do
> more.
But leaning the mixture out a little more around 5600 really
helped.
>
> > This is confusing. You say "but on our cars
nothing can be done". The
> > whole point of tuning any
additional device (boost controller, fuel
> > computer, ignition
computer) is to make more power and this definitely
> >
helps.
>
> Sure i agree with you by 150%, but the question was
"...what can
> be tuned on a
> stock car ?" (bone stock car). "Any
additional" device is the
> keyword here and
> this is where the
power lies for sure. IMHO, I don't know any way
> to make the
>
mixture richer or leaner without an additional device. The only
> screw I
know of
> is the idle adjust :) and also the plugs can be regapped. Any
more stock
> tune-in's ?
>
> > Yes, the ECU still does its
thing but it doesn't necessarily
> > outright override other properly
designed tuning devices.
>
> Yes, the ECU cannot override the
devices as they tweak the ECU thinking
> everything is about normal
<g> I think the confusion is not due
> to the language
> but
due to interpreting the question. But I'm sure we are
> speaking the same
way
> with the same understanding :)
>
> Cheers,
Roger
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Date:
Wed, 4 Nov 1998 15:00:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Dennis Moore <stealth@kiva.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
RE: gutting the cat
OK, pardon my ignorance, but what's the real
difference between gutting a
cat and replacing it with a pipe section?
I know removing the cat is
illegal, but what's the difference in terms of
flow, pressure,
performance, etc.?
Dennis Moore
stealth@kiva.net
93 Stealth ES (with
no empty feline skins...)
On Thu, 5 Nov 1998, Robert T. Rand
wrote:
> Chris, It is my intent to remove all the material from
the pre-cats so that
> it will be as much of a straight thru pipe as
possible. Won't be totally
> smooth, but less restrictive than with
cat material.
>
[snip]
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Date:
Wed, 04 Nov 1998 23:05:14 +0100
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: RE: gutting the cat
> OK, pardon my ignorance, but what's the
real difference between gutting a
> cat and replacing it with a pipe
section?
For turbo cars a max flowing exhaust is the best to get rid of
the hot stuff
from the turbos. Gutting a cat is a free mod as you only have
to invest some
hours of work. As the cat is always larger in diameter than a
normal tube I do
not expect a restriction or any bad interferences from a
gutted cat.
But a replacement pipe could be made of a larger diameter
than the in and out
flanges of the cats. Also such a tube could eliminate the
O2 housing and
therefore also help to increase the exhaust diameter after the
turbo. IMHO,
gutting the cat would free up the exhaust flow a lot but we
still have the O2
housing out and the pre-cat in/out that are less than 2".
Therefore a 2 1/2" dp
that leads into a 3" exhaust doesn't help a lot. Going
the full path means
getting rid the restrictions with a tube that is at least
2 1/2" dia or more.
Gutting the cat helps and is free, aftermarket
replacement tubes are a cost
factor :(
For the carb tests Mitsu told
me that the front cats are made to lower pollution
during the first miles
until the main cat heated up (makes sense). Therefore if
the test is done on
a warm/hot car then the measurments should be within
the
tolerances.
Cheers, Roger
PS:
Please note, that gutting
the cats on your NT car could lower your performance
due to the loss of
backpressure. Maybe you'll gain top end power but loosing
some low end
tourque.
- -----------------------
Roger Gerl,
Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
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Date:
Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:11:46 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject:
Team3S: RE: gutting the cat
Dennis...
Legal and environmental
issues aside, I believe there's three differences:
1. Replacing the
pre-cats (or cat) with a pipe will provide better flow, less turbulence, than
gutting them.
2. When (if) emissions testing time comes around, you can
re-install the factory equipment.
3. Swapping them out has to be a heck of a
lot less work (but more $$$) than chiseling and drilling.
:-)
Looking forward...Chris
"Friends don't let friends ride with
me"
1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Dennis Moore [SMTP:stealth@kiva.net]
Sent:
Wednesday, November 04, 1998 12:01 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Re: Team3S: RE: gutting the cat
OK, pardon my ignorance, but what's the
real difference between gutting a cat and replacing it with a pipe
section? I know removing the cat is illegal, but what's the difference
in terms of flow, pressure,
performance, etc.?
Dennis Moore
stealth@kiva.net
93 Stealth ES (with
no empty feline skins...)
On Thu, 5 Nov 1998, Robert T. Rand
wrote:
Chris, It is my intent to remove all the material from the
pre-cats so that it will be as much of a straight
thru pipe as possible.
Won't be totally smooth, but less restrictive than with cat
material.
[snip]
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Date:
Wed, 04 Nov 1998 23:11:51 +0100
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject:
Team3S: Water Injection
I saw this yesterday on the DSM parts trader
:
Joe
Barrett
TwinT13b@msn.com
208.250.122.160
November 03, 1998 - 07:58:19 PM
Hey all i bought a bunch of water
injection systems to get a better price and i
need to get rid of them i paid
500 and will sell them for 350 my loss your gain
email me if you want to go
HIGH BOOST this system will cool your intake air so
you can run more
boost
- ----
I'll contact him to know what systems these are and
will post here :)
- -----------------------
Roger Gerl,
Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
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Date:
Wed, 4 Nov 1998 15:25:12 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Water Injection
This smells rotten.
The only kits I know of that
are in that price range are the ERL Aquamist
systems made in the UK.
They start at $450 USD or so retail and go on up to
over $900 which includes
a 3D mapped computer to control injection. Cool
but pricey.
BG
Customs sells a kit for around $255. The Spearco kit is $155 or so.
I
am sure there are other comparable kits since they are quite simple
really.
No sane individual I know would pay $500/ea for a bunch of
systems to get a
better price then take a $150/unit loss. Must've been
one hell of a
savings.
Curious as to what information you get back
Roger ;) Things that are too
good to be true usually
are.
Regards,
Barry
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Message-----
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>
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On
Behalf Of R.G.
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 1998 3:12 PM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
Subject: Team3S: Water Injection
> (from the DSM
advert)
>
> Hey all i bought a bunch of water injection systems to
get a
> better price and i
> need to get rid of them i paid 500 and
will sell them for 350 my
> loss your gain
> email me if you want to
go HIGH BOOST this system will cool your
> intake air so
> you can
run more boost
>
> ----
> (from Roger "The G Man"
G.)
>
> I'll contact him to know what systems these are and will
post here :)
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