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Team3S Digest         Monday, November 2 1998         Volume 01 : Number 014




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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 20:45:33 +0100
From: Mike Chapleski <mike.chapleski@ibm.net>
Subject: Team3S: Free Flowing Exhausts

OK, I think the list is down but I'm not allowed to send a test message
so here is a real question.  Someday, I will be able to answer a
question.  Someday....

    I have been thinking about this boost at higher RPM issue and was
wondering.  If Jim Mathews can hold 15 psi of boost at 7000 RPM but I
can only hold 12.5 psi.  Who has more power.  I think the natural answer
would be Jim's car, because it is creating more boost.  However, the
reason I only have 12.5 psi (I think) is because I also have a Borla
exhaust and a test pipe.  Jim is all stock exhaust so he has more back
pressure.  So what do you think?  I would think that with my freer
flowing exhaust I can get up to the higher RPM's faster but is that
really helping me if my car starts to "loose" power after 5500 RPM?

Thanks,

Mike
0018
'95 Stealth RT TT

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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 13:14:31 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Brake Wobble

I really doubt hard acceleration has anything to do with it.

I had a similar circumstance on my 1994 VR4.  Sometimes, and only at speeds
above 80 mph or so, I would get horrible shake and shudder when the brakes
were applied.  Sometimes it would do it, other times it wouldn't.  Just as
soon as I thought I found a pattern, something would change to screw up the
pattern.

Brake rotors will expand and contract.  In other words, they will warp out
of spec and can warp back into spec.

In your case I'd be willing to bet that new rotors (not reground) will
resolve the problem.  Regrinding the rotors will not cure warping and will
only bring otherwise well-cured rotors back into spec.  Sounds to me like
your rotors are warping in and out of spec, in which case bringing them back
into spec will not resolve the real issue.

The reason this happens is due to the manufacture process of most mass
produced rotors.  After casting the still very hot rotor is simply tossed
onto a pile of rotors which are in varying stages of cooling.  By luck of
the draw the rotor may cool and set properly or with a built in warp.  The
rotor is then ground into spec and shipped.  The rotor that cooled with
internal warping will continue to be problematic thoughout its lifetme.


Barry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> [mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of Mike Chapleski
> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 1998 12:45 PM
> To: Team3S
> Subject: Team3S: Brake Wobble
>
>
>     OK, I have a weird problem with my brakes.  I first noticed this
> problem when I initially bought the car back in May.  After accelerating
> from 0-100 MPH, I hit the brakes hard.  I get an almost immediate wobble
> in the brakes that just gets worse the more I stay on them.  Now here is
> the weird part.  If  I accelerate normally up to 100 and slam on the
> brakes just as hard, I do not get any wobble.  My first reaction was it
> was some kind of drive train problem.  Since it only appeared after a
> hard acceleration run.  Well I had the transmission replaced in July and
> have not been doing much heavy accelerating since then.  Until last
> night.
>
>     Three times I got on it hard, but did not use the brakes to slow
> down, just coasted.  Then a forth time I floored it up to 130 MPH then
> hit the brakes.  I immediately felt the wobble and it got a lot worse,
> to the point I was afraid something was going to fall off.  Well I
> cruised at 80 for about a minute then slowly back up to 120 MPH.  I once
> again hit the brakes and they smoothly stopped the car.  NO wobble.  I
> do not have any wobble when I drive the car under normal conditions.
> Only right after I accelerate very hard.  Any ideas?
>
>     BTW, all lug nuts are torqued to 100 ft-lbs. 21k miles, original
> Yoko tires, crappy stock chrome rims.
>
> Mike C.
> 0018
> '95 Stealth RT TT
>
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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 13:33:17 -0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brake Wobble

- -----Original Message-----From: Mike Chapleski

|    OK, I have a weird problem with my brakes.  I first noticed this
|problem when I initially bought the car back in May.  After accelerating
|from 0-100 MPH, I hit the brakes hard.  I get an almost immediate wobble

- -------snip-------

My first guess was warpage, but if that were the problem, you'd have it even
when you didn't accelerate hard.  I wonder if it's not with the ABS,
"fighting", as it were, with an engine that's still 'pushing' a bit since
it's right after you got off hard throttle.  Think of it as dueling
computers, with the power to the wheels circuit giving delayed feedback to
the ABS circuit, and/or vice versa.  That's my scenario, and I'm stickin' to
it...!

Question:  Can the ABS be turned off somehow?  Then if you still had the
problem without it, you'd know my scenario was wrong...  And at least
eliminate that as a possibility.

Forrest


BTW, the list wasn't down (although my ISP posted an internet "burp" early
this AM);  it looks like folks are only posting when they actually have
something to say...  What a concept!  :-)  With an intelligent list like
this, I wouldn't plan on seeing too many posts just to keep a 'noise level'
going...  (It also proves that everyone on "Team3S" actually has a life!)

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 23:09:55 +0100
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Free Flowing Exhausts

> If Jim Mathews can hold 15 psi of boost at 7000 RPM but I
> can only hold 12.5 psi.

As far as I remember, Jim spoke of a boost falling down to 13.1 psi (0.9 bars)
at 6500 (and maybe lower around 7000 too)

> Who has more power.

Both about the same :)

> However, the reason I only have 12.5 psi (I think) is because I also have
> a Borla exhaust and a test pipe.

My dyno tests showed that I lost top end power but gained some tourque with the
ATR dp/cat and Borla. Initially I found a loss as I switched the BC off compared
with the setting two years ago. This lead me to the conclusion that a big dp,
high flow cat and cat-back doesn't help alot for the stock setup. It is an
investment for the future. Also if you want to have a real gain, then I'm pretty
sure the pre-cats are the main restriction. Remember anyone (I think Bob or
Brian) described the way a turbine can spool up (or kept spooling). A difference
in pre- and after-pressure is needed. If the exhaust after the turbine is
massively restricted and a situation can occur where the pressure before and
after the turbine become equal then the wheel would stop turning. Therefore a
very good flowing exhaust piping are our aim to keep the turbine spooling and
therefore the compressor wheel. As the pre-cats are the very first restrictions
I think only removing them will help the other exhaust parts to become a
restriction. Only then their elimination makes sense.

> I would think that with my freer flowing exhaust I can get up to the higher
> RPM's faster but is that really helping me if my car starts to "loose" power
> after 5500 RPM?

We don't know if the exhaust parts are becoming an unwanted restriction due to
the fact they create some resonances in the piping at different rpms. This is
also called "backwaving" (what we call this in Europe :) The aftermarket exhaust
parts we are using are not designed together (ok, the ATR full exhaust is
designed to work together) Therefore the pipes design (without resonator case)
can create this backwaves and hurt the performance.

I replaced the ATR dp/cat with the stock setup due to a broken cat and have not
felt any power loss then. The dyno outcome then did not showed any good numbers
due to the bad engine. I plan to do the first dyno session with the new setup
with the stock dp/cat and the Borla cat-back. I hope to find any precat
replacement until then :)

- -----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)

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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 19:00:12 -0500 (EST)
From: JEEPers <fxc9364@megahertz.njit.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Mobil Synthetic Oil Questions ( Color after 3K miles)

Hi guys,
I like this new list to start off but I have a few really
interesting questions.  Now as all you know the oils get pretty dark in
the engine of the TT models.  I was wondering how it is that the oil would
breakdown to the point that the oil color is literally grey or silver??
Close to the color of ball-bearing grease....???  Anyhow, this is the
scenario in my brother's car and I can 't seem to understand it ... I
understand that oil will break down but to the point of being grey????  I
mean I understand that Mobil 1 commmercial are not exactly scientific but
should syn. oils at least hold their own ???  If the oils actually break
down, wouldn't it not harm the engine??  I am asking all these questions
b/c compared to my V-8 on regular oil, the comparison of oil color is so
different.  I average a dark brown on the 3k interval and drive my Jeep
pretty hard and I can't really understand it...Anyone care to give me a
more indepth insight??? 


      Frank
                    -JEEPers-
"Kung-Fu Forrest"

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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 17:15:02 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Mobil Synthetic Oil Questions ( Color after 3K miles)

It is NOT normal for oil, synthetic or fossil, to turn grey or silver.
Sounds like some contaminant is getting into the oil.  Synthetic oils break
down LESS than fossil-based lubricants which is one of the reasons to use
them in the first place.

He isn't using some funky additive or oil filter that dispenses and additive
is he?

I have seen oil turn grey from water contamination, but usually it gets
murky brown.  If it truly takes on a silvery color (sometimes with
"speckles" or silvery flecks) then there may well be some internal component
that is wearing unusually fast.  If this is the case and the wearing part(s)
is magnetic, running a magnet through the oil should leave particles on the
magnet.  You may wish to dissect an oil filter at the next change and see
what is inside.  Sometimes this can tell you a lot.

It is also possible to send an oil sample away for analysis.  I have seen
advertisements in the past for this service charging anywhere from nothing
(promotional deals) to some nominal amount.  Might be worth it if you are
truly concerned, which personally I would be.  That sort of discoloration is
simply not the norm.


Barry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> [mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of JEEPers
> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 1998 5:00 PM
> To: Team 3S
> Subject: Team3S: Mobil Synthetic Oil Questions ( Color after 3K miles)
>
>
> Hi guys,
> I like this new list to start off but I have a few really
> interesting questions.  Now as all you know the oils get pretty dark in
> the engine of the TT models.  I was wondering how it is that the oil would
> breakdown to the point that the oil color is literally grey or silver??
> Close to the color of ball-bearing grease....???  Anyhow, this is the
> scenario in my brother's car and I can 't seem to understand it ... I
> understand that oil will break down but to the point of being grey????  I
> mean I understand that Mobil 1 commmercial are not exactly scientific but
> should syn. oils at least hold their own ???  If the oils actually break
> down, wouldn't it not harm the engine??  I am asking all these questions
> b/c compared to my V-8 on regular oil, the comparison of oil color is so
> different.  I average a dark brown on the 3k interval and drive my Jeep
> pretty hard and I can't really understand it...Anyone care to give me a
> more indepth insight???
>
>
>       Frank

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 19:12:08 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brake Wobble

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> -----Original Message-----From: Mike Chapleski
>
> |    OK, I have a weird problem with my brakes....



> -------snip-------

Bob Forrest responded.....

> My first guess was warpage, (Barry King also indicated the same in a separate post)
> but if that were the problem, you'd have it even when you didn't accelerate hard.  I
> wonder if it's not with the ABS, "fighting", as it were, with an engine that's still
> 'pushing' a bit since it's right after you got off hard throttle.  Think of it as
> dueling computers, with the power to the wheels circuit giving delayed feedback to the
> ABS circuit, and/or vice versa.  That's my scenario, and I'm stickin' to it.!
> Question:  Can the ABS be turned off somehow?

Good question Bob...and an equally good theory...does anyone know if the ABS can be
turned off to test this?? There does seem to some problem with "chattering brakes" on
these suckers at high speeds, and if it's a dualing computer scenerio, then all we need
is a computer wiz signed up here to figure it out...or at least send the results to
Mitsu (forget Chrysler) for them to figure out. Anyone????  If it isn't , and is a plain
ole warpage problem, then what is the consensus on the best after market replacement??

Darc

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"chattering brakes" on these suckers at high speeds, and if it's a dualing
computer scenerio, then all we need is a computer wiz signed up here to
figure it out...or at least send the results to Mitsu (forget Chrysler)
for them to figure out. Anyone????&nbsp; If it isn't , and is a plain ole
warpage problem, then what is the consensus on the best after market replacement??

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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 22:19:11 EST
From: LotoBoost@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Free Flowing Exhausts

In a message dated 11/1/98 2:46:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mike.chapleski@ibm.net writes:

<< have been thinking about this boost at higher RPM issue and was
 wondering.  If Jim Mathews can hold 15 psi of boost at 7000 RPM but I
 can only hold 12.5 psi.  Who has more power.>>

More or less, a motor is a big air-pump.  The quicker and faster you can get
air through the pump, the more power you have.  So restrictions in the pump
will lead to less power and, in our case with turbos, usually higher boost
levels.

Boost is a measurement of backpressure.  And the more backpressure
(restriction) something has the less it will flow.  When the air-pump is feed
X amount of air it creates a certain amount of backpressure at any given rpm
(everything else remain constant). 

For this example I'll say a turbo is feeding the air, and it is so small that
as the air pump spins faster, the turbo cannot keep a steady rate of
backpressure through the air-pump. 

At 3000rpm, the air-pump will consume X amount of air.  If you double that rpm
(6000rpm) the air pump will consume twice as much air.  Previously I stated
that the turbo which is feeding the air-pump (motor) in this example is very
small.  So at 3000rpm it can supply the motor with enough air to create enough
backpressure to be the equivalent of 20psi of boost.  So to create 20psi of
boost at 6000rpm, the air-pump would need to flow twice as much air.  But the
turbo is maxed out at 3000rpm, so it can only create half the backpressure
that it does at 3000rpm at 6000rpm --- equalling 10psi at 6000rpm.

Is the air-pump making less power at 6000rpm vs. 3000rpm?  No.  Because hp is
a function of the ability of the air-pump to process air, and at 6000rpm the
motor is still consuming the same amount of air from the turbo..  So the power
would be close to equal.

Therefore, if an air-pump is able to create a backpressure of 15psi at
6000rpm, but a restriction is taken out of the air-pump (everything else
remains constant) so it only creates a backpressure measurement of 12.5psi is
the air-pump making less power?  No!

And that's why boost is a BAD measurement of a cars power.  The amount of
power your motor makes has to do with many other variables...
And that's why I was able to run numerous 12.1's with the stock turbos only
producing 10.5psi at 7000rpm.

Probalby confusing to read, but some good ideas I hope... I'm sure someone
else can put it in better words :).

Mike Mahaffey - '94 Stealth tt Best et: 11.6  Best mph: 120.7


<<  I think the natural answer would be Jim's car, because it is creating more
boost.  However, the
 reason I only have 12.5 psi (I think) is because I also have a Borla
 exhaust and a test pipe.  Jim is all stock exhaust so he has more back
 pressure.  So what do you think?  I would think that with my freer
 flowing exhaust I can get up to the higher RPM's faster but is that
 really helping me if my car starts to "loose" power after 5500 RPM? >>
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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 21:22:26 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Brake Wobble

The ABS can be disabled by removing the ABS fuse(s) in the engine
compartment fuse box.

I have a hard time with the duelling computers theory.  ABS operates
primarily by feedback from wheel sensors.  The VR4 has a dual channel where
the front left and rear right are on one channel, the other channel controls
the other two corners.  A bad wheel sensor which was tripping the ABS could
cause pulsating, but violent shaking and wobbling just doesn't jive with
that scenario.

As to replacement rotors, the KVR rotors currently on my '94 have performed
flawlessly for the 15K miles I've had them on the car, and I like to use the
brakes.  I also opted for the KVR carbon metallic pads.  The combination
works very well especially once warmed up a bit.

There are a number of other options.  I have heard several complaints now
about PowerSlot rotors.  I have heard only one complaint about KVRs.

If you want really good brakes, especially if you have a 91-93 VR4, talk to
Brad Bidell.


Barry

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of
wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 1998 8:12 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brake Wobble

Question:  Can the ABS be turned off somehow?

Good question Bob...and an equally good theory...does anyone know if the ABS
can be turned off to test this?? There does seem to some problem with
"chattering brakes" on these suckers at high speeds, and if it's a dualing
computer scenerio, then all we need is a computer wiz signed up here to
figure it out...or at least send the results to Mitsu (forget Chrysler) for
them to figure out. Anyone????  If it isn't , and is a plain ole warpage
problem, then what is the consensus on the best after market replacement??
Darc

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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 00:38:46 -0500
From: "Ron-a-roid" <rtetetet@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brake Wobble

>Question:  Can the ABS be turned off somehow?  Then if you still had the
>problem without it, you'd know my scenario was wrong...  And at least
>eliminate that as a possibility.


You could always pull the ABS fuse to test the theory...

BTW; anybody disconnected the passenger airbag? Got a 5 year old boy who
don't fair well in the back seat and I'm gonna have to do this, maybe a
switch or something.

Ron



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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 00:50:16 -0500
From: "Ron-a-roid" <rtetetet@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Mobil Synthetic Oil Questions ( Color after 3K miles)

>He isn't using some funky additive or oil filter that dispenses and
additive
>is he?


THIS SOUNDS LIKE GRAPHITE. (sorry for caps) There were and are a bunch of
additives that contain graphite the was supposed to add to friction
reduction. The problem I saw was that it would build up and clog things or
clog the filter. It takes a LONG time to work graphite out. My dad used to
get this stuff called Krex that had graphite in it and it still turned the
oil silvery Grey for a year and a half after he stopped using it.

Ron



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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 20:09:49 +1100
From: andrew clark <chemist1@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Team3S: Tuning with AWD Dyno

Please forgive the basic nature of this post, but I would greatly
appreciate any thoughts.
At the moment my VR4 is running quite smoothly however sometimes its a
little difficult to start when warm, ie it takes a few cranks & its
producing that rotten egg gas smell on occasions. A friend of mine was
following me tonight & when I planted my foot he said he saw a stream of
" dirty looking smoke " ( not black ) coming out of the exhaust.
The car has done about 80K km & is stock except for a replacement K&N
element for the stock air box & also some cold air induction running to
the box.
In a couple of weeks I'm getting the boost increased at a performance
car shop at which time the car will be set up on a AWD dyno.
My question is this. I know that the rotten egg gas smell is a result of
the car being out of tune in some way, but is the smoke from the exhaust
caused by a similar problem? Also can the car be "retuned" on the dyno &
is there much that can be altered on the car as a result of using the
dyno that would not already be fixed by the cars on board computer? I
have been under the impression that these sort of high tec cars
virtually tune themselves.
BTW when the the air filter & induction was done the ECU was reset.
Thanks
Andrew
Australia
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 03:10:09 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Tuning with AWD Dyno

Quite often the rotten egg smell accompanies a failing or failed catalytic
converter.  Might be worth investigating.  If the cat has failed look for
other problems too.  Cats can last a very long time in a healthy car and
typically fail due lazy or failed O2 sensors, an extremely rich mixture or
oil in the exhaust.  In the case of our cars, a very rich mixture would
indicate yet another problem since the fuel maps are fixed from the factory.

A puff or two of dirty smoke isn't unusual from these and many turbocharged
cars due to the generous enrichment that occurs during acceleration.
Continuous dirty smoke may be indicative of a failed cat amongst other
things.  What color are your tailpipes?  Is there a high amount of soot?
Your tuner should be able to tell you a lot is the car is not healthy.

Retuning fuel delivery is not easy without adding some sort of fuel computer
or modifying the ECU.


Barry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> [mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of andrew clark
> Sent: Monday, November 02, 1998 2:10 AM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Subject: Team3S: Tuning with AWD Dyno
>
>
> Please forgive the basic nature of this post, but I would greatly
> appreciate any thoughts.
> At the moment my VR4 is running quite smoothly however sometimes its a
> little difficult to start when warm, ie it takes a few cranks & its
> producing that rotten egg gas smell on occasions. A friend of mine was
> following me tonight & when I planted my foot he said he saw a stream of
> " dirty looking smoke " ( not black ) coming out of the exhaust.
> The car has done about 80K km & is stock except for a replacement K&N
> element for the stock air box & also some cold air induction running to
> the box.
> In a couple of weeks I'm getting the boost increased at a performance
> car shop at which time the car will be set up on a AWD dyno.
> My question is this. I know that the rotten egg gas smell is a result of
> the car being out of tune in some way, but is the smoke from the exhaust
> caused by a similar problem? Also can the car be "retuned" on the dyno &
> is there much that can be altered on the car as a result of using the
> dyno that would not already be fixed by the cars on board computer? I
> have been under the impression that these sort of high tec cars
> virtually tune themselves.
> BTW when the the air filter & induction was done the ECU was reset.
> Thanks
> Andrew
> Australia

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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:31:37 -0500 (EST)
From: JEEPers <fxc9364@megahertz.njit.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Oil mystery update (Was RE: Mobil 1 syn)

Thanx for the answers. I just remembered that he used to put in Slick 50
when the product just came out. He has been a Mobil 1 diet since the last
several oil changes and Vavloine Syn prior to that.  I guess the oil might
be cleaning out some of that Slick 50 stuff that was leftover.  I guess, I
will have to cut the filter the next time a oil change is due.


      Frank
                    -JEEPers-
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 07:55:26 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: Team3S: RE: Silver/grey oil

- -----Original Message-----
From: JEEPers [SMTP:fxc9364@megahertz.njit.edu]
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 1998 4:00 PM
To: Team 3S
Subject: Team3S: Mobil Synthetic Oil Questions ( Color after 3K miles)
<snip>
I was wondering how it is that the oil would breakdown to the point that the oil color is literally grey or
silver??
<more snip>
...Anyone care to give me a more indepth insight???
<end of snip>

Whoa...

Sounds like a danger sign to me. The only time I've seen oil turn anything other than brown to black is when
there's water in the oil. Then it turns silver/gray. There's often some sign of foam at the dipstick as well.
Bad news. Time to check the head gasket.

Looking forward...Chris

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1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4

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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 10:47:13 -0800
From: Ken Middaugh <middaugh@omega.gat.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tuning with AWD Dyno

>
> At the moment my VR4 is running quite smoothly however sometimes its a
> little difficult to start when warm, ie it takes a few cranks & its
> producing that rotten egg gas smell on occasions.

snip

>
> In a couple of weeks I'm getting the boost increased at a performance
> car shop at which time the car will be set up on a AWD dyno.

snip

One thing you may want to check is the condition of the spark plugs.  This might help
with the 'hard to start' problem, and you'll want to decrease the gap anyway if you
will be increasing boost in the future.  Pull the front 3 plugs for inspection and
check their gap.  Consider replacing them with NGK double platinums gapped around 0.032
- - 0.035 inch if you don't plan to exceed 16psi.  Some folks go at low as 0.028 for
18+psi.  Also, if you're going to pull the plenum to replace the plugs, consider
replacing the plug wires if they have 60K+ miles on them.


- --

Ken Middaugh
General Atomics
San Diego
(619) 455-4510



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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 14:05:18 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tuning with AWD Dyno

That's good advice. You should prepared to change the plenum & throttle body
gaskets too.
Arty 91 VR-4

In a message dated 11/2/98 10:48:15 AM Pacific Standard Time,
middaugh@omega.gat.com writes:

<< ubj: Re: Team3S: Tuning with AWD Dyno
 Date: 11/2/98 10:48:15 AM Pacific Standard Time
 From: middaugh@omega.gat.com (Ken Middaugh)
 Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 Reply-to: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 
 >
 > At the moment my VR4 is running quite smoothly however sometimes its a
 > little difficult to start when warm, ie it takes a few cranks & its
 > producing that rotten egg gas smell on occasions.
 
 snip
 
 >
 > In a couple of weeks I'm getting the boost increased at a performance
 > car shop at which time the car will be set up on a AWD dyno.
 
 snip
 
 One thing you may want to check is the condition of the spark plugs.  This
might help
 with the 'hard to start' problem, and you'll want to decrease the gap anyway
if you
 will be increasing boost in the future.  Pull the front 3 plugs for
inspection and
 check their gap.  Consider replacing them with NGK double platinums gapped
around 0.032
 - 0.035 inch if you don't plan to exceed 16psi.  Some folks go at low as
0.028 for
 18+psi.  Also, if you're going to pull the plenum to replace the plugs,
consider
 replacing the plug wires if they have 60K+ miles on them.
 
 
 --
 
 Ken Middaugh
 General Atomics
 San Diego
 (619) 455-4510
  >>
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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 21:23:46 +0100
From: Jim Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Free Flowing Exhausts

Mike Chapleski wrote:
>
>     I have been thinking about this boost at higher RPM issue and was
> wondering.  If Jim Mathews can hold 15 psi of boost at 7000 RPM but I
> can only hold 12.5 psi.

Nope, I'm down to 12.5 at 7k, maybe a little less.  The only
folks on the list that are able to maintain higher boost
pressures at redline are those with 13G or larger turbos.

I think your car would spool up faster and maintain slightly
higher boost than mine at redline due to the freer flowing
exhaust.

-Jim
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Matthews - Wiesbaden, Germany
matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (64 Kbps ISDN)
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews

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