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Team3S Digest Friday, October 30 1998 Volume 01 : Number 012

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 23:03:49 +0100
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Identification of the EU turbos

> > For the turbos, they are really 13Gs (thanks a lot to all that replied).
>
> So how do you know? How can you tell? The tubo housing for
> a 9B is the same as for a 13G.

The compressor wheel as well as the numbers where identified as 13Gs. Mitsu says
that these are the bigger version as the ones that have been installed in the
Eclipse. Nevertheless, I'll have them at home tomorrow and make some more
close-ups.

> You'd better be careful when installing performance mods that
> you get from the states, since they will surely be configured
> for a U.S. spec car with different turbos, injectors, ECU...

Hehe, turbos, injectors, fuel-pump, ECU are on their way into the car :))

> I can't wait to see how your car performs with all of the new
> mods. It's going to be a monster! I hope things are going
> well with the rebuild.

The new pistons are in and the rear head on. But the car sits around at Mitsu
because we are waiting for the GT-Alley headers (good to do all the stuff at
once).

- -----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 23:23:41 +0100
From: Mike Chapleski <mike.chapleski@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Identification of the EU turbos

> <snip>
>
> > Therefore it is more clear why it holds boost up to the redline. But don't
> > forget Mikaels setup. His US-car has the 9B and boost is also hold pretty well.
>
> This I cannot figure out. I just plain don't see how one boost
> controller can maintain the specified boost pressure better than
> another. It seems to me that reaching the desired boost level is
> the easy part - any controller can just keep the wastegates closed.
> The real challenge is doing this without overboosting, and that's
> where design counts (faster solonoids, etc.). Maybe the AVC-R
> _does_ have that IDC-based anti-lean mechanism afterall... ?
>

<snip>

OK so lets do a survey. If I hear everyone here correctly you cannot hold boost at 7k
RPM. So what can you hold? After one day of tuning I can hold 12 psi at 6800 RPM with
the Blitz DSBC. That's set to overboost to 15 psi then a steady 14 psi through 5500 RPM
then a pretty linear drop to 12 psi at 6800. So what can the other boost controllers
do? If I remember everyone else was dropping to 10 psi @ 6800 psi. Unfortunately it
looks like I will have to work again this weekend so no time to see if I can get it up
to 14 psi @ 7000 RPM

So answer the following? All measurements in third gear.
What kind of BC are you using?
What does it peak boost at?
What is the steady state boost through 550 RPM?
What is the boost at 7000 RPM?

Mike C.
0018
'95 Stealth RT TT

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:59:10 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Identification of the EU turbos

With my old stock turbos, boost dropped to 11-12 PSI at 7000 RPM depending
upon the air temperature. It can get very hot here in Phoenix. I have the
Apex'i SAVC-R.

This survey only applies to stock turbos remember.

Regards,

Barry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> [mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of Mike Chapleski
> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 1998 3:24 PM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Identification of the EU turbos
>

> OK so lets do a survey. If I hear everyone here correctly you
> cannot hold boost at 7k
> RPM. So what can you hold? After one day of tuning I can hold
> 12 psi at 6800 RPM with
> the Blitz DSBC. That's set to overboost to 15 psi then a steady
> 14 psi through 5500 RPM
> then a pretty linear drop to 12 psi at 6800. So what can the
> other boost controllers
> do? If I remember everyone else was dropping to 10 psi @ 6800
> psi. Unfortunately it
> looks like I will have to work again this weekend so no time to
> see if I can get it up
> to 14 psi @ 7000 RPM
>
> So answer the following? All measurements in third gear.
> What kind of BC are you using?
> What does it peak boost at?
> What is the steady state boost through 550 RPM?
> What is the boost at 7000 RPM?
>
>
>
> Mike C.
> 0018
> '95 Stealth RT TT

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:27:15 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: Team3S: RE: Boost Controller study

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mike Chapleski [SMTP:mike.chapleski@ibm.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 1998 2:24 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Identification of the EU turbos

<snip>

So answer the following? All measurements in third gear, under WOT.
What kind of BC are you using?
What does it peak boost at?
What is the steady state boost through 5500 RPM?
What is the boost at 7000 RPM?

<end of snip>

I added "under WOT", corrected the 550rpm to 5500rpm.

GREAT idea Mike, I hope we get some dry weather on the freeway this weekend so I can do mine.

Looking forward...Chris

"Friends don't let friends ride with me"

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:41:19 -0800
From: Ken Middaugh <middaugh@omega.gat.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Identification of the EU turbos

snip

> I agree with your contention about the DSBC. The reason Roger's turbos held
> boost better has to do with the fact that he has 13Gs. I am yet to be
> convinced that the DSBC is any better at holding boost to redline than say
> an AVC-R. I'd have to see 15+ PSI in 2-4th at 7200 RPM on stock trubos to
> believe it.

This can never happen since the cfm requirements of our 3.0 liter engine at 15+ PSI at
7200 RPM exceeds the 9B's maximum cfm output capability. The only way to fairly
compare boost hold capability between BCs is to select a PSI that: 1) won't exceed the
given turbo's maximum cfm at the test's maximum RPM; and 2) won't cause the car's fuel
system (injectors, fuel pressure, and fuel management) capabilities to be exceeded.
(There might be more test requirements too)

It is possible that SAVC-R is using the injector duty cycle value in it's algorithm.
At 16 PSI on stock turbos as RPM and IDC rise, the SAVC-R might be lowering boost until
the IDC returns to a value that the algorithm deems safe. Who knows? The DSBC's
algorithm may just keep the boost at the set value or at the turbo's maximum cfm
output, whichever is lower. Perhaps someone can disconnect the IDC wire on their
SAVC-R and see if it changes the boost hold characteristics. Will it even work without
this connection? One's opinion on which controller is the best might now include the
risk they are willing to accept -- the SAVC-R might be safer if it indeed uses the IDC
value in holding boost.

- --

Ken Middaugh
General Atomics
San Diego
(619) 455-4510

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:52:46 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: Identification of the EU turbos

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Barry E. King wrote:

> With my old stock turbos, boost dropped to 11-12 PSI at 7000 RPM depending
> upon the air temperature. It can get very hot here in Phoenix. I have the
> Apex'i SAVC-R.
>
> This survey only applies to stock turbos remember.

I just received my Super-Apexi via UPS today Barry...it will be on stock turbos..so
somewhere down the road I can post on the results. The damn photoradar here will make it
a bitch just finding room to tune it...another tax grab!!! Anyway, if you have any
advice on instalation or tweaking, please mail me on the side band...or for that matter,
do it here for anyone else considering an Apexi.

I went with the group order on this product incidentally because it was $430 including
shipping, which is far below the price usally noted. Blitz was $450 plus shipping at
it's cheapest discounted quote. I also thought there seemed to be a few problems
occurring (likely unrelated) to Blitz equipped cars, and given all information and
particularly the price, I went with a tiny tiny bit more conservative : ) BC, which
seems to be saftey oriented towards overboost.

Darc

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Barry E. King wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>With my old stock turbos, boost dropped to 11-12
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I have the
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I just received my Super-Apexi via UPS today Barry...it will be on stock
turbos..so somewhere down the road I can post on the results. The damn
photoradar here will make it a bitch just finding room to tune it...another
tax grab!!! Anyway, if you have any advice on instalation or tweaking,
please mail me on the side band...or for that matter, do it here for anyone
else considering an Apexi.

I went with the group order on this product incidentally because it
was $430 including shipping, which is far below the price usally
noted.  Blitz was $450 plus shipping at it's cheapest
discounted quote. I also thought there seemed to be a few problems occurring
(likely unrelated) to Blitz equipped cars, and given all information and
particularly the price, I went with a tiny tiny bit more conservative :
) BC, which seems to be saftey oriented towards overboost.

Darc</HTML>

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 20:00:53 EST
From: LotoBoost@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Identification of the EU turbos

In a message dated 98-10-29 17:25:32 EST, you write:

<< So answer the following? All measurements in third gear.
What kind of BC are you using........Greddy Profec
What does it peak boost at..............little over 20psi
What is the steady state boost through 550 RPM....13-14psi
What is the boost at 7000 RPM.......10.5-11psi

When I had stock turbos and the greddy profec, I usaully ran 1.1 or 1.15bar.
The boost would go up to around 16-16.5psi and NEVER spike at all. I haven't
seen any other controllers that were so dead-on accurate!

But learning the Profec can be a major pain in the a**. Plus, with my 15G's
it would either learn and work, or learn and not work. So it was a very iffy
controller (but when I first bought it worked fine, so maybe pulling the
filters out of the vacuum lines ended up being detrimental?).

At lower rpms, it would run a little past 20psi if I turned it way up (only
did once or twice). Over around 5000rpms the stock boost would fall from my
set 1.1/1.15bar and go 15psi, 14psi, 13psi, 12psi, then finally end up around
10.5-11psi by redline.

When I had the stock downpipe and cats it would hold closer to 12psi through
redline. With downpipe would fall to about 11psi by redline, and with my
main-cat gutted or high-flow maybe as low as 10.5psi at 7000r's. I believe my
set-up/motor flowed so well no boost controller would have held high boost. If
someone out there can hold 15psi through redline with another boost
controller, my best guess would be they have a resriction in their
intake/head/exhaust I didn't.. at least untill I see their car is undoubtably
making more power via a few not-seen-yet 12.0's on the stock turbos :).

That's my experience with the Profec A..

Mike Mahaffey - '94 Stealth tt Best et: 11.6 Best mph: 120.7
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:37:50 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Identification of the EU turbos

Other than actual plumbing and wiring, which is rather straight forward as
far as EVCs are concerned, there really is only one thing that comes to
mind.

Some people claim that the solenoid makes too much noise. I never
experienced this problem but it may be due to how I installed it. I have
yet to hear what a noisy AVC-R solenoid sounds like.

The SAVC-R comes with a rubber mat upon which the actuator solenoid mounts.
I found some high density foam to use as additional sound absorption
material. Dynamat or something along those lines should work just fine. I
used two layers of this heavy foam rubber in addition to the supplied mat.
The solenoid is mounted on the inner fender right near where the stock
airbox would be (I had no airbox at the time).

Other then that, make sure you cap off what needs to be capped off and keep
the pressure bearing lines as short and straight as possible.

Also contrary to reports by some, my experience with the Apex'i is that it
trains rather well and fairly quickly. The only tricky part can be finding
a BADC setting that works best with your particular setup. It would appear
from the documentation that high IDC levels will not allow the controller to
learn your boost curve. This may partically explain why before the MASC I
had a hard time achieving 20 PSI. The AFC simly wouldn't allow me to run
lean enough and I continually ran into very high IDC. With the MASC IDC was
reduced (although still high at 92%) compared to the AFC (which frequently
hit 99%) presumably because I was able to tune away the excessively rich
mixture.

Regards,

Barry

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of
wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 1998 5:53 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Identification of the EU turbos

Barry E. King wrote:
With my old stock turbos, boost dropped to 11-12 PSI at 7000 RPM depending
upon the air temperature. It can get very hot here in Phoenix. I have the
Apex'i SAVC-R.
This survey only applies to stock turbos remember.

I just received my Super-Apexi via UPS today Barry...it will be on stock
turbos..so somewhere down the road I can post on the results. The damn
photoradar here will make it a bitch just finding room to tune it...another
tax grab!!! Anyway, if you have any advice on instalation or tweaking,
please mail me on the side band...or for that matter, do it here for anyone
else considering an Apexi.
I went with the group order on this product incidentally because it was $430
including shipping, which is far below the price usally noted. Blitz was
$450 plus shipping at it's cheapest discounted quote. I also thought there
seemed to be a few problems occurring (likely unrelated) to Blitz equipped
cars, and given all information and particularly the price, I went with a
tiny tiny bit more conservative : ) BC, which seems to be saftey oriented
towards overboost.
Darc

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:33:48 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: Identification of the EU turbos

Barry E. King wrote about the SAVC-R installation thusly : )

>
>
> Some people claim that the solenoid makes too much noise. I never
> experienced this problem but it may be due to how I installed it. I have
> yet to hear what a noisy AVC-R solenoid sounds like.

 <snip>I have heard this as well...but yourself, Errin
(are you listening ) and Jim, all indicate that theirs are not noisy. Perhaps it was the
early generation of this AVC-R that was, and it was corrected ASAP.

> <snip>
>
> The SAVC-R comes with a rubber mat upon which the actuator solenoid mounts.
> I found some high density foam to use as additional sound absorption
> material. Dynamat or something along those lines should work just fine. I
> used two layers of this heavy foam rubber in addition to the supplied mat.
> The solenoid is mounted on the inner fender right near where the stock
> airbox would be (I had no airbox at the time).

Errin indicated he mounted his in an extra battery mount and it worked well too. I can
do either and will likely take as much time deciding where as it took me to buy the darn
thing.

Thanks for the advise. Looking forward to the installation.

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:39:38 -0600
From: Jeff Crabtree <wjcrabtree@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Up on blocks, but not in the front yard

Well guys and gals,

 By the time most of you read this, my Stealth will be classified as
my "second" car. I decided that one car payment was just not enough.
I am going tomorrow morning to pick up my new(pre-owned) '93 Jeep
Wrangler sport(the six cyl. of course...after driving old girl for three
years I just don't think I could drive a 4-banger around). And just in
case you're wondering, YES! it's red with a black top so it matches the
stealth quite well. The Jeep will become my primary mode of
transportation, and the stealth will go in the garage under a cover. I
guess I won't be doing that engine re-build that I was talking about a
while back for quite some time now. I'm not quitting the list(s)
though. I really enjoy (most) of you guys and will stick around. I
have joined the Jeep tech list though, which means that I'll probably
have thousands of peices of mail to delete on a daily basis. UGH!

My only wish is that I could have done this 4 years ago when the stealth
only had 61,xxx miles on it. Now with 149,xxx, the car is getting tired
and every major sysem on the car hase SOMETHING wrong with it. Oh well,
I fully intend for my grandkids to beg me to borrow that cool old red
car that runs on that outdated petroleum based fuel....and I'm not
talking about the jeep.

- -Jeff Crabtree
 '91 R/T Turbo#499
 '93 Jeep YJ
 St, Louis, MO

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 02:44:29 -0800
From: Dave Allison <dave@languys.com>
Subject: Team3S: Thunderhill

Gentlemen,

This weekend I head north to Thunderhill to battle the forces of evil.
Also known as my buddies, driving:

94 Mustang GT modded to hell with a blower

http://www.abbate.org/Mustang/1994_mustang_gt.htm

a semi-stock 98 Firebird Formula

http://www.abbate.org/Firebird/1998.htm

and a 1995 BMW M3 Dinan (with an highly unskilled driver)

I'm fairly confident I can hold my own against these cars on the twisty
course. Should I be particularly wary of any of the above cars? There are
some serious bragging rights riding on this race and it would pain me
greatly to lose to these cornballs.

Whattya think? What mods are necessary and what order should I approach
them? Any suggestions for tire pressures to address the understeer issues?
I've already replaced my brake fluid this evening with Motul 600 to remedy
the severe brake fade issues that cropped up last time.

I'm open to any suggestions on how to set the car up to win on the track
this weekend. HELP!

Dave Allison

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 06:47:33 -0500
From: "Theiss, Charles" <charles.theiss@lmco.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Identification of the EU turbos

I have a Profec and hold 17psi to 7000.

> ----------
> From: Mike Chapleski[SMTP:mike.chapleski@ibm.net]
> Reply To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 1998 5:23 PM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Identification of the EU turbos
>
> > <snip>
> >
> > > Therefore it is more clear why it holds boost up to the redline. But
> don't
> > > forget Mikaels setup. His US-car has the 9B and boost is also hold
> pretty well.
> >
> > This I cannot figure out. I just plain don't see how one boost
> > controller can maintain the specified boost pressure better than
> > another. It seems to me that reaching the desired boost level is
> > the easy part - any controller can just keep the wastegates closed.
> > The real challenge is doing this without overboosting, and that's
> > where design counts (faster solonoids, etc.). Maybe the AVC-R
> > _does_ have that IDC-based anti-lean mechanism afterall... ?
> >
>
> <snip>
>
> OK so lets do a survey. If I hear everyone here correctly you cannot hold
> boost at 7k
> RPM. So what can you hold? After one day of tuning I can hold 12 psi at
> 6800 RPM with
> the Blitz DSBC. That's set to overboost to 15 psi then a steady 14 psi
> through 5500 RPM
> then a pretty linear drop to 12 psi at 6800. So what can the other boost
> controllers
> do? If I remember everyone else was dropping to 10 psi @ 6800 psi.
> Unfortunately it
> looks like I will have to work again this weekend so no time to see if I
> can get it up
> to 14 psi @ 7000 RPM
>
> So answer the following? All measurements in third gear.
> What kind of BC are you using?
> What does it peak boost at?
> What is the steady state boost through 550 RPM?
> What is the boost at 7000 RPM?
>
>
>
> Mike C.
> 0018
> '95 Stealth RT TT
>
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> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 06:51:35 -0500
From: "Theiss, Charles" <charles.theiss@lmco.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Identification of the EU turbos

Disregard my earlier post as I have 13gs .

> ----------
> From: Barry E. King[SMTP:beking@home.com]
> Reply To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 1998 5:59 PM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Identification of the EU turbos
>
> With my old stock turbos, boost dropped to 11-12 PSI at 7000 RPM depending
> upon the air temperature. It can get very hot here in Phoenix. I have
> the
> Apex'i SAVC-R.
>
> This survey only applies to stock turbos remember.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Barry
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> > [mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of Mike Chapleski
> > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 1998 3:24 PM
> > To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> > Subject: Re: Team3S: Identification of the EU turbos
> >
>
> > OK so lets do a survey. If I hear everyone here correctly you
> > cannot hold boost at 7k
> > RPM. So what can you hold? After one day of tuning I can hold
> > 12 psi at 6800 RPM with
> > the Blitz DSBC. That's set to overboost to 15 psi then a steady
> > 14 psi through 5500 RPM
> > then a pretty linear drop to 12 psi at 6800. So what can the
> > other boost controllers
> > do? If I remember everyone else was dropping to 10 psi @ 6800
> > psi. Unfortunately it
> > looks like I will have to work again this weekend so no time to
> > see if I can get it up
> > to 14 psi @ 7000 RPM
> >
> > So answer the following? All measurements in third gear.
> > What kind of BC are you using?
> > What does it peak boost at?
> > What is the steady state boost through 550 RPM?
> > What is the boost at 7000 RPM?
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike C.
> > 0018
> > '95 Stealth RT TT
>
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:18:36 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Engine Flush

Along the same lines as an engine flush. On noisy or dirty lifters
ubj: Noisy, Dirty Lifters & Cure.
Date: 9/30/98 7:01:13 AM !!!First Boot!!!
From: Aso8@aol.com
Reply-to: stealth@starnet.net
To: Stealth@starnet.net
CC: Aso8@aol.com

Looks like a good time for a repost.
This procedure worked for me.
Before you start this...If you did not change your oil within the last 5000
miles to Mobil One 10W-30 and use the Stock Factory Filter & you have a Turbo
car,
do it from now on.
I assume you have both a recent oil change within 5000 miles and a recent
FACTORY oil filter. OK. If not, do that first.

1. Drain off and replace one quart of oil with Marvel Mystery Oil available at
any large auto parts chain store. Don't change Factory filter.
2. Drive it for 1000 miles. Not hard runs. Get the revs up to about 3000 to
4500rpms
but don't kill it. Just work the stuff in. Vary the revs.
3. Change oil and filter after 1000 miles as follows: Mobil One Extreme 0W-30
and a new Factory filter. Ticking sound should be gone with this change but,
Your Not Done Yet...Drive for another 500 miles with this oil change. Revs the
same way.
4. Now after that 500 miles. Change the Oil and Filter again to the normal
Mobil One 10W-30 and a new factory filter. In really cold weather you can use
5W-30 too.
If dirty lifters or some gooey sludge was the problem it should be gone and
quiet.
Oil is the blood of a turbo car. I change mine every 3000 miles.
Arty 91 VR-4

In a message dated 10/29/98 9:13:41 PM !!!First Boot!!!, bf@bobforrest.com
writes:

<< Subj: Re: Team3S: Engine Flush
Date: 10/29/98 9:13:41 PM !!!First Boot!!!
From: bf@bobforrest.com (Bob Forrest)
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Reply-to: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com

-----Original Message-----From: Dennis Moore <stealth@kiva.net>

|hopefully you all knew that already. If you need more info, I'll dig
out
|a URL at the Department of Commerce with more details on this subject.

Please do! I'm keeping a folder of 'candidates' for the FAQ; how to
flush (or how not to...) belongs in the archives...

TIA,

Forrest
>>
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:12:29 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Team3S: Apex-i

Just as short appendix/correction to my posting yesterday on Super
Apex-i......After reveiwing my corresponence I see that Jim DID indicate
(rather than indicate to the contrary) that his solenoid made some
noise,and he solved it by mounting it off of the firewall and next to
his washer bottle. Was yours an early version of Apex-i Jim?

Darc

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:17:10 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: Up on blocks, but not in the front yard

Jeff Crabtree wrote:

> Well guys and gals,
>
> By the time most of you read this, my Stealth will be "classified" as
> my "second" car.

 <snip>

We can live with that as long as it's not "in the classifieds" Jeff...cann't afford to
loose you here. Congrats on the your second "Great American Sports car" BTW.

 <snip>

> My only wish is that I could have done this 4 years ago when the stealth
> only had 61,xxx miles on it. Now with 149,xxx,

 <snip>

So how many water pumps, timing belts, and tenseness does this translate into?? Are we
talking someone who can do this servicing with one hand and their eyes closed?

 <snip>

> the car is getting tired
> and every major sysem on the car hase SOMETHING wrong with it.

 <snip>

Ehhhh....even Henry the 8th called for
his oldest pair of (read beat up) shoes, on every occasion he could...and he had over 200 pairs.
Familiar comfort!

> Oh well,
> I fully intend for my grandkids to beg me to borrow that cool old red
> car that runs on that outdated petroleum based fuel....

 <snip>

I'm with you there, and I don't have grandkids...These are the greatest cars to capture
my imagination since the Shelby Mustangs (sorry Bob, the Mustangs) of the late 60's.

Darc

92 TT ....which like yours will be up on the ramp for a bit (while I sort out this BC
installation in my spare time.)
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 20:26:45 +0100
From: Jim Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: Boost Controller study

Chris Winkley wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Chapleski [SMTP:mike.chapleski@ibm.net]
> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 1998 2:24 PM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Identification of the EU turbos
>
> <snip>
>
> So answer the following? All measurements in third gear, under WOT.
> What kind of BC are you using?
> What does it peak boost at?
> What is the steady state boost through 5500 RPM?
> What is the boost at 7000 RPM?
>
> <end of snip>
>
> I added "under WOT", corrected the 550rpm to 5500rpm.
>
> GREAT idea Mike, I hope we get some dry weather on the freeway this weekend so I can do mine.

If we had to wait for dry weather over here then you'd never
see our results. :-| But what the hell is AWD/AWS for, anyway?!
I read Mike's mind and experimented on the way home from work
this evening. Here are my rainy results:

conditions: 7:30 pm, cold, wet, and dark
location: entering Autobahn 3 North from A-66
BC: A'PEXi Super AVC-R 1.0 bar @ 72% BADC
action: third gear, WOT
observations:
short overboost to 1.05 bar at 3000 RPM +/-
1.0 bar from 3000 RPM +/- to 6000 RPM +/-
7000 RPM, IDC=99%, boost=.85 bar +/- (12.5 psi)
average speed of traffic=85 mph
speed of invisible black Stealth=faster than the above ;-)

-Jim
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K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 70/84% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Bosch Winged Wipers
Magnecore spark plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
Metal Matrix brake pads, custom braided brake lines
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 20:41:53 +0100
From: Jim Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Apex-i

Barry wrote:
>
> Some people claim that the solenoid makes too much noise. I never
> experienced this problem but it may be due to how I installed it. I have
> yet to hear what a noisy AVC-R solenoid sounds like.

The solonoid is noisy, plain and simple. But as long as you
mount it somewhere other than the firewall, and as long as
proper sound dampening material is used (more than just the
pitiful little rubber mat supplied with the controller and
the sheet metal screws that transfer the sound right past it
anyway), this will not be a problem. Extreme Motorsports
mounted mine on the firewall with the sheet metal screws and
without even the supplied mat and it was LOUD. In fact, it
was annoying to the point that my gas mileage actually
improved over 1 mpg since I would try not to let the boost
rise above 7 psi where it started to click! This only lasted
a short while until I came to my senses and moved the thing
so that I could drive the car like it was meant to be driven!

wce@bc.sympatico.ca wrote:
>
> Just as short appendix/correction to my posting yesterday on Super
> Apex-i......After reveiwing my corresponence I see that Jim DID indicate
> (rather than indicate to the contrary) that his solenoid made some
> noise,and he solved it by mounting it off of the firewall and next to
> his washer bottle. Was yours an early version of Apex-i Jim?

Nope, I have the latest and greatest Super-AVC-R. And yes, it
is currently professionally zip-tied to the washer fluid resevoir!
Hmmm, maybe I should take pictures and post them to my web site
so that you all could learn how to apply this technique to your
very own cars... :-)

Barry wrote:
>
> Also contrary to reports by some, my experience with the Apex'i is that it
> trains rather well and fairly quickly. The only tricky part can be finding
> a BADC setting that works best with your particular setup.

Yes, it does train very well, as long as you don't use the
lock feature right away. At least that is my experience.
If you change the boost or BADC setting (which sends the
unit into learn mode) and immediately set the lock, it will
not learn properly. Anyone else experience this? Seems
like A'PEXi has a lot of undocumented features! :-) As far
as the BADC, the trickiest part is just figuring out what
it really means. The solution: don't bother. Just think
of it as an overshoot setting. The higher the BADC, the
more the boost will spike above the boost setting. Since
Roger's testing has shown that short duration spikes of
1.1 bar or slightly more is nothing to worry about (as
long as the sustained boost levels are kept under 1.05 bar
for a stock setup), there is a great degree of flexibility
here. I have A mode set to 1.0 bar @ 70% or 72% BADC and
B mode set to 1.05 bar @ 84% BADC. Spiking is not bad and
I've had no problems in the year I've had this setup.

-Jim
- --
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K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 70/84% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Bosch Winged Wipers
Magnecore spark plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
Metal Matrix brake pads, custom braided brake lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, TS (so far): 166mph
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:07:43 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Apex-i

As I suggested, and as you discovered, it won't be noisy if properly
mounted.

Mount any rapidly fluctuating mechanical device on the firewall without
adequate vibration dampening and it is bound to transfer noise to the cabin.

I doubt the Apex'i solenoid is any noisier than any other solenoid supplied
with other controllers. In all cases of noisy solenoids with which I have
had first hand experience (not limited to Apex'i), the solenoid was plain
and simply not properly mounted.

Regards,

Barry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> [mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of Jim Matthews
> Sent: Friday, October 30, 1998 12:42 PM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Apex-i
>
>
> Barry wrote:
> >
> > Some people claim that the solenoid makes too much noise. I never
> > experienced this problem but it may be due to how I installed
> it. I have
> > yet to hear what a noisy AVC-R solenoid sounds like.
>
> The solonoid is noisy, plain and simple. But as long as you
> mount it somewhere other than the firewall, and as long as
> proper sound dampening material is used (more than just the
> pitiful little rubber mat supplied with the controller and
> the sheet metal screws that transfer the sound right past it
> anyway), this will not be a problem. Extreme Motorsports
> mounted mine on the firewall with the sheet metal screws and
> without even the supplied mat and it was LOUD. In fact, it
> was annoying to the point that my gas mileage actually
> improved over 1 mpg since I would try not to let the boost
> rise above 7 psi where it started to click! This only lasted
> a short while until I came to my senses and moved the thing
> so that I could drive the car like it was meant to be driven!

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 20:57:53 -0500
From: Bob Fontana <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject: Team3S: Injector problem

I hope somebody on the list has enough experience to answer
this one. I got ready to put my fuel rail in and noticed
that the plastic cap around the needle of the #2 injector
is melted. The needle is covered, since once the plastic
melted, it stretched itself over the needle. This has
probably been that way since the injector was last
positioned (Delray Mitsubishi, April 1996). Dammit,
there's no END to the things that they screwed up.

My question is -- can I buy the plastic caps that go over
the needle separately or do I have to buy a new injector
(hence, a set of 6...can't break up a set, ya know).

Pissed,

- -Bob Fontana
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