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Subject: Team3S Digest V1 #9
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Team3S Digest        Tuesday, October 27 1998        Volume 01 : Number 009




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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:41:28 EST
From: GC3000GT@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Three Questions

In a message dated 10/26/98 12:02:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Lloyd.Wihl@d25tss.cae.ca writes:

<<
 1. The clutch, pressure plate and throwout bearing were replaced
 with stock ones 10,000 miles ago. Recently I have felt a pulsation in
 the pedal while engaging the clutch. There is no accompanying
 vibration in the car. Also, the pulsation is temperature-related: it
 doesn't occur at all at ambient temperatures below 70 deg F, and is
 worst after driving then parking for an hour on a warm day. After
 several shifts, it disappears. Any ideas what is causing it?  >>


Hi Lloyd,  it's good to see your name again.  :)

Sounds like you're experiencing the same problem as I did when I got my clutch
first replaced.  I'm sorry to say that the problem has been undiagnosed from 2
different dealerships.  They both claim it's fine, and checked the hydrolics
of the clutch for air pockets/bubbles, etc...but have found nothing.  All I
wanted was for one of them to say "hey yeah - I see what you mean", but I have
yet to find a dealership that would recognize the problem.  I still have it to
this day (about a year since the clutch install). 

The clutch seems to hold up fine, however - so as far as I know...it's not
hurting the performance of it.  I kind of describe it as a "crunchy" or
"gritty" feeling when I press the clutch in.  Very wierd.  If you ever get it
diagnosed and fixed, i'd be very anxious to hear what they found!

Gregg
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:08:20 +0100
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Team3S: Identification of the EU turbos

I've got a close-up picture of the stock EURO turbos (even the rear one). Can
someone who's able to identify them please rise his hands that I can send the
picture personally ? I'd like to be sure that our turbos are the same as all
others (nobody can say this to me) or to find out any difference.

Thanks in advance,
Roger

- -----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:17:49 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Are the exhaust manifolds a restriction ??

I've been told that 3/10's of a second can be gained in the 1/4 with better
exhaust manifold. I have no proof but I'm a believer. (This is based on my
setup)
Arty 91 Vr-4

In a message dated 10/26/98 10:43:23 AM Pacific Standard Time,
robby@swissonline.ch writes:

<< ubj: Team3S: Are the exhaust manifolds a restriction ??
 Date: 10/26/98 10:43:23 AM Pacific Standard Time
 From: robby@swissonline.ch (R.G.)
 Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 Reply-to: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com (Stealth/3000GT List)
 
 File:  EXMANI1.jpg (35993 bytes)
 DL Time (44000 bps): < 1 minute
 
 Today I was at the shop and inspected the rebuild. I then checked the
manifolds
 with the fitting of the new turbos and was pretty surprised as they don't
look
 like a restriction at all. I expected a heavy cast manifold but the thing was
 not that big nor bad designed (outside). Of course there's always a way to
make
 things better but I'd like to ask people who already exchanged the
 manifold/headers what differences they found.
 
 For the EGT sensor, the best would be that it will be installed infront the
 turbo flange. Are there any probes available with different lenghts ?
  >>
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:40:01 -0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S: Found online- sound of a Stealth RT/TT revving...

http://www.specialty1auto.com/Sounds/stealth.wav

Huge (900k file) but pretty impressive...

F

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:48:05 -0800
From: "GT ALLEY" <thegtalley@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Are the exhaust manifolds a restriction ??

Horrible design esspecially on the front turbo, if you take a good look, two
of the pipes actually face the opposite way of the one pipe. Hence the
exhaust is fighing to get out...The rear is not all that horrible, but still
not all that great of a design..

Brian@
The GT ALLEY
3/S Performance Central
- -----Original Message-----
From: R.G. <robby@swissonline.ch>
To: Stealth/3000GT List <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 10:43 AM
Subject: Team3S: Are the exhaust manifolds a restriction ??


>Today I was at the shop and inspected the rebuild. I then checked the
manifolds
>with the fitting of the new turbos and was pretty surprised as they don't
look
>like a restriction at all. I expected a heavy cast manifold but the thing
was
>not that big nor bad designed (outside). Of course there's always a way to
make
>things better but I'd like to ask people who already exchanged the
>manifold/headers what differences they found.
>
>For the EGT sensor, the best would be that it will be installed infront the
>turbo flange. Are there any probes available with different lenghts ?
>
>PS: The small pic shows the front manifold/headers still attached to the
front
>head.
>
>Cheers,
>Roger
>
>-----------------------
>Roger Gerl, Switzerland
>93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)



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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 00:16:17 +0100
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Are the exhaust manifolds a restriction ??

> Horrible design esspecially on the front turbo, if you take a good look, two
> of the pipes actually face the opposite way of the one pipe. Hence the
> exhaust is fighing to get out.

Ahh, I see the point :) There is definitively an improvement possible !

Thanks,
Roger
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:14:37 -0800
From: "GT ALLEY" <thegtalley@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Identification of the EU turbos

Roger send me the pic. I will tell you what it is. I will bet that it is a
13G. All of my overseas customers have 13G's stock.

Brian@
The GT ALLEY
3/S Performance Central
- -----Original Message-----
From: R.G. <robby@swissonline.ch>
To: Stealth/3000GT List <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 11:12 AM
Subject: Team3S: Identification of the EU turbos


>I've got a close-up picture of the stock EURO turbos (even the rear one).
Can
>someone who's able to identify them please rise his hands that I can send
the
>picture personally ? I'd like to be sure that our turbos are the same as
all
>others (nobody can say this to me) or to find out any difference.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Roger
>
>-----------------------
>Roger Gerl, Switzerland
>93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
>For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm



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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:36:20 -0800
From: Jay Steinberg <jay@wco.com>
Subject: Team3S: Two new tires on right side only?

I've got 4 Eagle F1s with about 7500 miles on them on my VR4. The two on
the right side have nails in them and will be replaced under the hazard
warranty. I expect they'll want to keep the new ones on that side. Does
that make sense to you? Should I violate the rotation principle and put one
new one on each side? If so, any thoughts on how I should do it; i.e., both
news on rear or news on opposing corners? I appreciate your help and advice.
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:53:31 -0600
From: Brad Bedell <bbedell@texas.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Are the exhaust manifolds a restriction ??

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Arty,

I have a set of IMP headers on my car.  =20

I have the same dilemma as you.   I changed all the parts at once, so =
who is to say that they help or don't help.  I do know for sure that I =
have less lag with the 15g's than I did with stock & 13g turbos. =20

Did they help? Who knows, but the car does run nice for a car with stock =
exhaust.
=20
> Brad
>=20
> Check out my home page:    http://lonestar.texas.net/~bbedell
> E-Mail: bbedell@texas.net ICQ#  3612682


- -----Original Message-----
From: Aso8@aol.com [SMTP:Aso8@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, October 26, 1998 1:18 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Cc: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Are the exhaust manifolds a restriction ??

I've been told that 3/10's of a second can be gained in the 1/4 with =
better
exhaust manifold. I have no proof but I'm a believer. (This is based on =
my
setup)
Arty 91 Vr-4

In a message dated 10/26/98 10:43:23 AM Pacific Standard Time,
robby@swissonline.ch writes:

<< ubj: Team3S: Are the exhaust manifolds a restriction ??
 Date: 10/26/98 10:43:23 AM Pacific Standard Time
 From: robby@swissonline.ch (R.G.)
 Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 Reply-to: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com (Stealth/3000GT List)
=20
 File:  EXMANI1.jpg (35993 bytes)
 DL Time (44000 bps): < 1 minute
=20
 Today I was at the shop and inspected the rebuild. I then checked the
manifolds
 with the fitting of the new turbos and was pretty surprised as they =
don't
look
 like a restriction at all. I expected a heavy cast manifold but the =
thing was
 not that big nor bad designed (outside). Of course there's always a way =
to
make
 things better but I'd like to ask people who already exchanged the
 manifold/headers what differences they found.
=20
 For the EGT sensor, the best would be that it will be installed infront =
the
 turbo flange. Are there any probes available with different lenghts ?
  >>
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is =
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:09:29 -0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Two new tires on right side only?

- -----Original Message-----From: Jay Steinberg <jay@wco.com>



|I've got 4 Eagle F1s with about 7500 miles on them on my VR4. The two
on
|the right side have nails in them and will be replaced under the hazard
|warranty. I expect they'll want to keep the new ones on that side. Does
|that make sense to you? Should I violate the rotation principle and put
one
|new one on each side? If so, any thoughts on how I should do it; i.e.,
both
|news on rear or news on opposing corners? I appreciate your help and
advice.


Run the new ones on the front until 7500 miles, then assume a normal
rotation schedule.  Fronts wear faster than rears.  You'll have four
completely different levels of wear if you keep the 'old' on one side
and the 'new' on the other.  If they want to keep the old ones on the
side, it's only out of laziness, not correctness...

Forrest


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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:39:16 -0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S: Target Audience?  'Archives' page is up...

- -----Original Message-----From: Dennis Moore <stealth@kiva.net>

|Just wondering: is there anyone else on this list who *doesn't* own a
|turbo S/3K?  90% of the discussion recently has been about issues that
|don't really relate to my car, so I've been hitting the delete key a
lot.
|(I'll be following up with a couple more clutch questions later.)


Even though my Stealth is a NT, I still read many of the posts with
interest, because when I buy my SECOND Stealth (or 3k) it will be a
turbo.  And I understand much of what the turbo guys go through, having
owned a troublesome '84 Turbo Carrera...

I would venture a guess that anything technical or informative that
pertains to any of the S/3k models will find it's way here.  Hopefully,
if it's a thread about fuzzy dice or other silliness it will find its
way to another list.  ...and that folks will direct the jokes to
rec.humor.funny .  At some point we'll probably have some kind of FAQ
about all kinds of topics to keep the clutter level as low as it's been
so far, rather than read through the same questions repeatedly.  A
central location for various info, like on one of the larger S/3k sites
that are already developed, seems to make the most sense.

FYI - Archives:  A post about brakes may not interest you this month,
but 6 months from now it might seem REALLY important.  If anyone needs
to refer to past posts, click the ARCHIVE link at the bottom of our
temporary web page to access the digests.

One more note:  The seven of us who started this list envisioned it as a
forum where we could exchange useful information about Stealths and
3000GTs.  We hoped it could be a helpful, friendly place, but I don't
think any of us expected to assemble so many "good guys" in one spot.
It appears that "Team3S" is an appropriate name...

Best to all,

Forrest





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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:55:11 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: Are the exhaust manifolds a restriction ??

Brad, Arty;

What's a set of IMP's run? And do you think slapping them on when you had stock turbos would have made a difference?

> Arty,
>
> I have a set of IMP headers on my car.
>
> I have the same dilemma as you.   I changed all the parts at once, so who is to say that they help or don't help.  I do know for sure that I have less lag with the 15g's than I did with stock & 13g turbos.
>
> Did they help? Who knows, but the car does run nice for a car with stock exhaust.
>
> > Brad



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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 23:01:37 -0500
From: "Ron-a-roid" <rtetetet@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Clutches (and I don't mean "eggs")

This sounds more like gear lash or drive line snatch. (don't go there guys)
It could be u-joints, CV joints or the differentials. On the less costly and
more likely side, have you checked your motor mounts to see if the whole
engine and drive, trainee /transfer case, is moving. Even front drive only
will suffer a lot of slap or thud with a broken motor mount. It will usually
be the front one, or rear, the one that keeps the engine / drive torque from
spinning the whole engine around. remember, this is a transverse mounted
engine / drive train and loading is different from the old rear drive where
the system is mounted longitudinally.

Ron-a-rid
- -----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Moore <stealth@kiva.net>
To: 'Stealth List' <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 8:48 AM
Subject: Team3S: Clutches (and I don't mean "eggs")


>OK, here's a follow up to my earlier question about predicting the end of
>your clutch's life.  Let's say I'm driving around town in 3rd gear, 3-4000
>RPM.  As I vary my throttle position the car speed responds in a very
>linear fashion (as it should) - MOST of the throttle travel.  As I drop
>engine RPMs down past a certain point, the whole car lurches.  Conversely,
>when I re-engage the throttle, the car lurches again.  I've tried varying
>the rate at which I change the throttle, but can't seem to find a rate at
>which it doesn't happen.
>
>It seems to me that the transition from the "engine driving the wheels" to
>the "wheels driving the engine" is much more dramatic than it should be.
>
>Is there any way to tell how much is too much?  Or am I over-reacting to a
>normal phenomenon?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Dennis Moore
>stealth@kiva.net
>93 Stealth ES
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 23:06:58 -0500
From: "Ron-a-roid" <rtetetet@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Who's the Target Audience?

Ron-a-roid, 93SL NA, you are not alone ... for now .. been test driving
lately ...

- -----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Moore <stealth@kiva.net>
To: 'Stealth List' <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 8:37 AM
Subject: Team3S: Who's the Target Audience?


>Hi all,
>
>Just wondering: is there anyone else on this list who *doesn't* own a
>turbo S/3K?  90% of the discussion recently has been about issues that
>don't really relate to my car, so I've been hitting the delete key a lot.
>(I'll be following up with a couple more clutch questions later.)
>
>Dennis Moore
>stealth@kiva.net
>
>What's the difference between a Mechanical Engineer and a Civil Engineer?
>Mechanical Engineers build Weapons, Civil Engineers build Targets!
>
>*similarly*
>
>There are two kinds of ocean-going vessels in this world:
> submarines and targets!
>
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 22:20:21 -0600
From: Brad Bedell <bbedell@texas.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Are the exhaust manifolds a restriction ??

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I am not sure what the price is now. Last I heard around 1,000 (US =
Dollars)

No, I do not feel they are worth your time for stock turbos.  Too much =
of a PITA to install just to put stock turbos back on.

> Brad
>=20
> Check out my home page:    http://lonestar.texas.net/~bbedell
> E-Mail: bbedell@texas.net ICQ#  3612682


- -----Original Message-----
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca [SMTP:wce@bc.sympatico.ca]
Sent: Monday, October 26, 1998 9:55 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Are the exhaust manifolds a restriction ??

Brad, Arty;

What's a set of IMP's run? And do you think slapping them on when you =
had stock turbos would have made a difference?

> Arty,
>
> I have a set of IMP headers on my car.
>
> I have the same dilemma as you.   I changed all the parts at once, so =
who is to say that they help or don't help.  I do know for sure that I =
have less lag with the 15g's than I did with stock & 13g turbos.
>
> Did they help? Who knows, but the car does run nice for a car with =
stock exhaust.
>
> > Brad



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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 21:23:15 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Who's the Target Audience?

For those of you with NA engines, quite a bit of the non-turbo specific
discussions will still apply.

If any of you get to or are at the point of radically modifying your NA
engines through higher compression, different cams, porting etc., you'll
more than likely run into similar issues surrounding fuel delivery
(injectors, pump), fuel control (MASC, AFC, VPC) and the pesky ECU
limitations and safety features.

EGT and O2 readings for example are useful tools for tuning virtually any
engine.  Exhaust principles are similar although forced induction presents
slightly difdfferent requirements.

Anyway, hopefully the NA owners won't be forgotten.


Regards,

Barry
'94 VR4

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 21:40:48 -0700
From: "Palamara, Peter" <pala@gwl.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Who's the Target Audience?

In the near future for you N/A guys if anyone is interested I will have
a complete turbo system available around in Jan to Feb. This will
include turbo manifolds,oil and water lines, stock inter cooler piping,
modified turbos using the ihi compressor's ran 12.79 at 114 here at
bandamere's 6850ft, stock intake plenum, and precat exhaust housings
down to where it bolts up to the catalatic converter. So almost a
complete system for you N/A guys you just need a ignition
computer,intercooler cores, a y-pipe, and larger injectors and I'm not
sure a throttle body and boost controller??? So if anyone wants to pass
this info on your more than welcome to I just want to see if someone
wants the whole shebang if not I'll just sell the turbos and misc. stuff
if people want it. The car is being torn down in stages as of next week
but depending on how busy I am and time permits is how long it will take
for the complete system to be out  oh and good OLE Colorado weather.

Pete Palamara
92 3000vr-4(GTO)
500 hp of Fun
(303)689-4733

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry E. King [SMTP:beking@home.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 26, 1998 9:23 PM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Who's the Target Audience?
>
> For those of you with NA engines, quite a bit of the non-turbo
> specific
> discussions will still apply.
>
> If any of you get to or are at the point of radically modifying your
> NA
> engines through higher compression, different cams, porting etc.,
> you'll
> more than likely run into similar issues surrounding fuel delivery
> (injectors, pump), fuel control (MASC, AFC, VPC) and the pesky ECU
> limitations and safety features.
>
> EGT and O2 readings for example are useful tools for tuning virtually
> any
> engine.  Exhaust principles are similar although forced induction
> presents
> slightly difdfferent requirements.
>
> Anyway, hopefully the NA owners won't be forgotten.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Barry
> '94 VR4
>
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 00:01:43 -0500
From: "Dennis Moore" <stealth@kiva.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Who's the Target Audience?

Ooh, could be fun trying to keep the wheels in contact with the ground!
Hmm, 300+ horses into front wheel drive...

BTW, thanks for everyone's reassurances that this isn't a turbo-only group.
(Not a real problem if it had been...)

Dennis Moore
stealth@kiva.net
93 Stealth ES

- -----Original Message-----
From: Palamara, Peter <pala@gwl.com>
To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com' <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 11:42 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Who's the Target Audience?


>In the near future for you N/A guys if anyone is interested I will have
>a complete turbo system available around in Jan to Feb. This will
[snip]

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 00:52:05 -0500
From: "Ron-a-roid" <rtetetet@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: VR4 Advice please

>1. Sounds like air in the brake lines. I can't imagine a car (any car) with
properly functioning brakes that
>allows the pedal to hit the floor.

Well this is my second Mits. (93SL I have) and it, my wife's car and my
Eclipse ALL did this. Plus the VR4 I'm looking at. I don't have much faith
in their brake systems, as I am seeing big dollar signs on my SL to fix the
ABS problem.

>2. My VR4 had fossil oil in it for the first 28K miles. I changed to
synthetic (Castrol 5-50w) and have not
>experienced any leaks (of any sort) in the last eighteen months.

Well, you can't believe everything Smokey Unick says I Guess, but careful is
better.

>Price sounds reasonable to me (at least if they solve the brake problem).
Good luck!!!

Also found a cream puff, 96 white 3000 Miles, yes 3K not 30K. Don't know if
I can go $30K

Anybody seen the chrome pitting or bubble on the 18" chromies before. Looks
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:34:38 +0100
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?=" <vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Are the exhaust manifolds a restriction ??

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From: Brad Bedell <bbedell@texas.net>
I have a set of IMP headers on my car.  


Can you please tell us more about your headers.

How much did they cost? Quality? Did they fit without problems?

Also does anyone know if there are some "off road pipe" available for the precats ?? (Cost and brand)

/Mikael http://www.bahnhof.se/~vr4



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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:12:19 +0100
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Are the exhaust manifolds a restriction ??

> Also does anyone know if there are some "off road pipe" available for the
> precats ?? (Cost and brand)

YES ! You guys remember that David Buschur got a VR4 and started to modify it (I
guess he's not on the list). The last time I talked to him he got a front
replacement pipe done and just waited for the rear one. He told me a price
around $150 each. I'll ask him and let you know.

Cheers,
Roger

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Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 03:45:13 -0600
From: Brad Bedell <bbedell@texas.net>
Subject: Team3S: Link check.

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Hey everyone, I am updating my web page & my links.

If anyone gets bored, feel free to check out my page and find and dead/ mistyped links that I may have.

Also, if you have a page you want added, or feel is important, let me know I will add it.

> Brad
>
> Check out my home page:    http://lonestar.texas.net/~bbedell
> E-Mail: bbedell@texas.net ICQ#  3612682

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:39:47 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Are the exhaust manifolds a restriction ??

I would not consider headers unless I was going to 15g's or beyond. Bigger
advantages are available with less money & effort. With stock turbos this is a
waste of money.
Arty 91 VR-4

In a message dated 10/27/98 3:59:22 AM !!!First Boot!!!, wce@bc.sympatico.ca
writes:

<< ubj: Re: Team3S: Are the exhaust manifolds a restriction ??
 Date: 10/27/98 3:59:22 AM !!!First Boot!!!
 From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
 Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 Reply-to: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
 
 Brad, Arty;
 
 What's a set of IMP's run? And do you think slapping them on when you had
stock turbos would have made a difference?
  >>
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:27:41 -0500
From: Bob Fontana <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Are the exhaust manifolds a restriction ??

Hi,

Unfortunately, Dave couldn't fabricate the rear one because of its design.  It
would require the use of some equipment that he doesn't have.  The front one is
do-able.

- -Bob

> YES ! You guys remember that David Buschur got a VR4 and started to modify it
> (I
> guess he's not on the list). The last time I talked to him he got a front
> replacement pipe done and just waited for the rear one. He told me a price
> around $150 each. I'll ask him and let you know.
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:24:06 -0600
From: "Todd D Shelton" <tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Who's the Target Audience?

Also my engine builder recently informed me that
he may be offering a purpose built supercharger package
for the NA S/3K's from Paxton in the near future.  Talks
are currently underway.

- - tds

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    -----Original Message-----
    From: Palamara, Peter <pala@gwl.com>
    To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com' <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
    Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 10:42 PM
    Subject: RE: Team3S: Who's the Target Audience?


    In the near future for you N/A guys if anyone is interested I will have
    a complete turbo system available around in Jan to Feb. This will
    include turbo manifolds,oil and water lines, stock inter cooler piping
...


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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:47:35 -0800
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Team3S: Are the exhaust manifolds a restriction ??

Thanks Brad;

I guess it's one of those prices that's inflated for the name eh! 1000 installed would be more reasonable if it included instalation!  Will consider headers now only  IF I upgrade turbos...you're right, I just
had an imaginative look at the work likely involved, and PITA is apt and likely understated.

Darc

Brad Bedell wrote:

> I am not sure what the price is now. Last I heard around 1,000 (US Dollars)
>
> No, I do not feel they are worth your time for stock turbos.  Too much of a PITA to install just to put stock turbos back on.
>
> > Brad
> >
> > Check out my home page:    http://lonestar.texas.net/~bbedell
> > E-Mail: bbedell@texas.net ICQ#  3612682
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:   wce@bc.sympatico.ca [SMTP:wce@bc.sympatico.ca]
> Sent:   Monday, October 26, 1998 9:55 PM
> To:     stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Subject:        Re: Team3S: Are the exhaust manifolds a restriction ??
>
> Brad, Arty;
>
> What's a set of IMP's run? And do you think slapping them on when you had stock turbos would have made a difference?
>
> > Arty,
> >
> > I have a set of IMP headers on my car.
> >
> > I have the same dilemma as you.   I changed all the parts at once, so who is to say that they help or don't help.  I do know for sure that I have less lag with the 15g's than I did with stock & 13g turbos.
> >
> > Did they help? Who knows, but the car does run nice for a car with stock exhaust.
> >
> > > Brad
>
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:28:09 +0100
From: Jim Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Identification of the EU turbos

GT ALLEY wrote:
>
> Roger send me the pic. I will tell you what it is. I will bet that it is a
> 13G. All of my overseas customers have 13G's stock.

Well, that would explain why Roger's turbos spool up slower
than mine but can hold 1.0 bar to redline.  But I find it very
interesting that Roger and I are seeing the exact same G-Tech
times when he has (in addition to my mods) DP, exhaust, AFC,
a boost controller that holds 1.0 bar to redline, and 13G turbos,
not to mention that he is a better driver than I.  I must say
that I am very skeptical...  If it is true, then I'm in no hurry
to run out and blow money on all of those mods.

-Jim
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:32:51 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Identification of the EU turbos

If the European cars indeed have 13Gs then it in all likliehood is NOT the
DSBC that is responsible for holding decent boost to redline.

The only person in the US with whom I have spoken who has the DSBC and stock
turbos does not report what Roger has reported.  That is, he is not able to
maintain 15 PSI to redline.

This makes sense since a boost controller cannot oversome the inherent
design of a turbocharger.  A 9B is simply unable to provide enough air to
maintain 15 PSI on the 6G72.


Regards,

Barry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> [mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of Jim Matthews
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 10:28 AM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Identification of the EU turbos
>
>
> GT ALLEY wrote:
> >
> > Roger send me the pic. I will tell you what it is. I will bet
> that it is a
> > 13G. All of my overseas customers have 13G's stock.
>
> Well, that would explain why Roger's turbos spool up slower
> than mine but can hold 1.0 bar to redline.  But I find it very
> interesting that Roger and I are seeing the exact same G-Tech
> times when he has (in addition to my mods) DP, exhaust, AFC,
> a boost controller that holds 1.0 bar to redline, and 13G turbos,
> not to mention that he is a better driver than I.  I must say
> that I am very skeptical...  If it is true, then I'm in no hurry
> to run out and blow money on all of those mods.
>
> -Jim

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:34:26 +0100
From: Jim Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject: Re: Team3S: flow, leaning out

If Roger's and Mikael's Euro-spec VR-4s indeed have 13G turbos,
which would explain how they can maintain 1.0 bar at redline,
does that not suggest that their injectors and ECU are also
different to support a more appropriate fuel map?

It also appears as if my theory that the SAVC-R is responsible
for reducing boost at high IDC levels is probably incorrect.
The drop in pressure is more likely a result of the inadequate
flow characteristics of the stock U.S.-model 9B turbos.  I
was under the impression that the turbos were identical.

We will get to the bottom of this eventually! :-)

-Jim
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:14:46 +0100
From: Jim Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject: Re: Team3S: boost lag

Jim Matthews wrote:
>
> R.G. wrote:
> >
> > Jim wrote :
> > > When my AVC-R sees the IDC get above 90%, it starts blinking, and this
> > > is when the boost level starts decreasing.
> >
> > > "The display will begin to flash if the injectors reach
> > > over 98% capacity." (so what?)
> >
> > So, what does it in reality ?? Does your display start blinking at 90% or like
> > Apexi says at 98% ?? IMHO, 98% is way too high for a safety feature ! Maybe it's
> > programmable or an "undocumented feature" ;-)

Looks like the manual is correct.  Today I saw 94% IDC with
no blinking and no reduction in boost pressure levels.

-Jim
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:37:46 +0100
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?= <vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Identification of the EU turbos

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Regarding to the Mitsubishi importer in Sweden there is NO difference =
between the US turbo and Euro turbo. My car is imported from US and if =
there had been any difference then I have had to change the turbos to =
make it legal in Sweden. AND my car also holds 15psi all the way upp to =
redline. Let's face it! Blitz rules ;)

Take care

Mikael

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jim Matthews [SMTP:matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de]

Well, that would explain why Roger's turbos spool up slower
than mine but can hold 1.0 bar to redline.  But I find it very
interesting that Roger and I are seeing the exact same G-Tech
times when he has (in addition to my mods) DP, exhaust, AFC,
a boost controller that holds 1.0 bar to redline, and 13G turbos,
not to mention that he is a better driver than I.  I must say
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-Jim

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:26:52 -0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S: Paxton Supercharger for us NTs???

If there's a web page or other info available about this, I am VERY
interested.  I'm much more of a blower guy than a turbo guy...

What kind of blower?  Electric or belt?  ANY other info???  Tell him
I'll be one of his first customers...

TIA

Forrest


- -----Original Message-----From: Todd D Shelton <tds@brightok.net>

|Also my engine builder recently informed me that
|he may be offering a purpose built supercharger package
|for the NA S/3K's from Paxton in the near future.  Talks
|are currently underway.



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