--
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 1 05:40:45
1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id FAA23388
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct
1999 05:40:45 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from j-sux103.jci.com (j-sux103.jci.com
[192.132.24.98])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
FAA23381
for <
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Fri, 1 Oct 1999 05:40:42 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from jsux04.corp.jci.com (mhub
[159.222.38.28])
by j-sux103.jci.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id
HAA17018;
Fri, 1 Oct 1999 07:25:31 -0500
Received: from jci.com
(root@localhost)
by jsux04.corp.jci.com (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP
id MAA21588;
Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:40:52 GMT
Received: by jsux04.corp.jci.com
; Fri, 01 Oct 1999 07:40:16 -0500
Content-Identifier: re: am noise/rattle in
a 92 3000VR4
Hop-Count: 1
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 07:38 -0500
From: Jeff
A Williamson <
Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.com>
Subject:
Team3S: re: am noise/rattle in a 92 3000VR4
To:
kevin_volkan@hms.harvard.eduCc:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.comMessage-ID:
<
1955022@jsux04.corp.jci.com>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.comPrecedence:
bulk
I've had the same or similar sound on my VR4 for about 3 years. It
started at
around 70K miles. It is very similar to the sound that a
clutch-release bearing
makes when it goes bad. Mine only does this on cold
mornings( below 40
degress). After warm-up the noise quits. It also quits if
the clutch pedal is
depressed, and starts again when the pedeal is
released, which is what lead me
to think it was the release bearing.
Last December, I replaced the bearing, but
on cold mornings, I still hear
the noise. So I don't have a clue ! From what I
can tell, it doesn't seem to
be hurting anything, and it's not getting any
worse (or louder).
Jeff
Williamson
Belleville, MI
'92 VR4
Original Message:
>My
car is a '92 3000 VR4 with 58K miles on it. The car is in
excellent
>condition, with no problems other than the typical notchy
shifter and some
>slight ticking at startup. When I listen closely when I
start the car up
>after it has sat overnight, I can hear a faint rattling
sound. When I
>popped the hood I could still hear the sound like it was
comming from the
>middle of the car nearest the winshield, perhaps under
the engine. The
>noise does not increase with engine rpm and disappears
after the car has
>warmed up after a minute or so. The engine makes good
power and runs
>smoothly. the only mod to the car is an HKS manual boost
controller which
>is set at about 13.5psi (I think 9 is the stock
setting). The timing belt
>and waterpump were replaced 1K miles ago. The
sound only occurs in the am
>after the car has sat all night. When I
restart the car during the day the
>sound does not manifest, even if the
car has been sitting for 5-6 hrs.
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htmFrom
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 1 06:27:43 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
GAA23742
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:27:43 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch
[194.158.230.44])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
GAA23735
for <
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:27:40 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from RGERL012599
(216.131.135.105) by newmail.spectraweb.ch; 1 Oct 1999 15:23:43
+0200
Message-ID: <
002301bf0c10$bf766280$698783d8@RGERL012599_000.peoplesoft.com>
Reply-To:
"R.G." <
robby@freesurf.ch>
From:
"R.G." <
robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "Stealth -
Team 3S" <
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Problem from an SL owner in Canada (he really needs help)
Date: Fri,
1 Oct 1999 15:27:39 +0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
8bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3110.3
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.comPrecedence:
bulk
Friends,
I got a help call from an SL owner living in Canada.
Please see the mail
attached to this post as well as my answer. Maybe some of
you do have
another idea and, especially, may be able to help him in the same
"time"
area.
Thanks,
Roger
-------------------------
Original
Message from Dave Bette
bette@xcelco.on.caRoger I know your
expertise is the twin turbo but I am a desperate man my
91gt sl died, well
sort of. It started loseing power and then became very
noisy. I got home but
my friend who is a mechanic listened to it and
suggested towing it to the
shop he works at. It will start fine but idles
very poorly and when you rev
it you get a very unhealthy sound from the
lower valve train. I am from
Canada and the mechanic I have has very little
experience with these cars. He
does not want to start replacing valves on a
hunch but is unsure where to
start nothing showed up on the scope. He now
has the front valve cover off
and the plenum as well so he can’t start
it. He says that when it was
running it was pouring the gas to it you could
actually smell it so this was
causing it to run lean. But his real concern
is with the noise as is mine. If
you have any suggestions I would be very
greatful. I take extreemly good care
of this car and am continually
frustrated with how often it is down. This may
be the last straw once again
any info please if you send info could you send
it to this adress as well
as the one from witch this note originates
from
----------------------
My answer :
Hi Dave,
I
followed your problem and I hope it is not that bad as I suppose it is.
These
are my advises :
- let your mechanic check the compression on every cylinder.
As the plenum
is off this can be done easy (I always do this myselfs). The
readings must
be over 120psi on all chambers. If they are not you have a
serious problem
either with the valves or the pistons.
- Let him do the
spark firing check. If only one plug is bad, the engine my
sound crazy.
-
Let him check all motor rubber mounts. One may be broken and can causes
the
strange sound.
- if compression was ok and the rest too (i.e. no problem
found yet) put
the plenum back (covers too) and start it. Stop it and unplug
the MAS
connector. Start it again and check if it runns weaker now. If the
behaviour
doesn't
change, the MAS is at least one problem. This can easier
be checked with a
code scanner of course.
Also when fuel is poured in
this cause a ultra-rich and not a lean
condition. How do the plugs look like
?
Questions :
- how was the oil pressure reading when the problem
started ?
- did the "Service Engine" light came up ?
- how was
the water temperature reading ?
- does your friend have access to a code
scanner ?
- did the sound change when you pressed the clutch or being in
neutral ?
- any blue, black or white smoke when idleing ?
Other
suggestions :
- Let him check the ignition parts. I do not know the SL in
this case but
if only 3 cyls are firing the car doesn't sound nice.
-
Unhook the battery to reset the battery (I don't believe that this is
a
problem)
David, if none of these things helps, I must assume that a
crankshaft
bearing is shot or even more a rod or the crankshaft
broke.
Good luck,
Roger
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htmFrom
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 1 06:44:41 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
GAA24075
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:44:41 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch
[194.158.230.44])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
GAA24068
for <
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:44:38 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from RGERL012599
(216.131.135.105) by newmail.spectraweb.ch; 1 Oct 1999 15:41:11
+0200
Message-ID: <
002801bf0c13$30a00a90$698783d8@RGERL012599_000.peoplesoft.com>
Reply-To:
"R.G." <
robby@freesurf.ch>
From:
"R.G." <
robby@freesurf.ch>
To:
"R.G." <
robby@freesurf.ch>,
"Stealth - Team 3S" <
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Problem from an SL owner in Canada (he really needs help)
Date:
Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:45:07 +0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3110.3
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.comPrecedence:
bulk
Argh, forgot to say, that mis mechanic already checked the timing
belt and
it is ok. It was my first suggestion and even if the belt and timing
looks
good a compression check will show any damage to the valve train
too.
Later
Roger,
93'3000GT TT
>Roger I know your
expertise is the twin turbo but I am a desperate man my
>91gt sl died,
well sort of. It started loseing power and then became very
>noisy. I got
home but my friend who is a mechanic listened to it and
>suggested towing
it to the shop he works at. It will start fine but idles
>very poorly and
when you rev it you get a very unhealthy sound from the
>lower valve
train. I am from Canada and the mechanic I have has very
little
>experience with these cars. He does not want to start replacing
valves on a
<snip>
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htmFrom
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 1 06:56:55 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
GAA24234
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:56:55 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from Mail.austin.rr.com (sm2.texas.rr.com
[24.93.35.55])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
GAA24227
for <
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:56:52 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from bradley ([24.28.71.119])
by Mail.austin.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18);
Fri, 1
Oct 1999 08:50:47 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <
bbedell@austin.rr.com>
To:
"R.G." <
robby@freesurf.ch>,
"Stealth - Team 3S" <
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Problem from an SL owner in Canada (he really needs help)
Date:
Fri, 1 Oct 1999 08:58:22 -0500
Message-ID: <
LNBBICBDKNDOJAHLDNDDMECIEOAA.bbedell@austin.rr.com>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer:
Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)
X-MimeOLE: Produced By
Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300
Importance: Normal
In-Reply-To: <
002801bf0c13$30a00a90$698783d8@RGERL012599_000.peoplesoft.com>
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.comPrecedence:
bulk
This really sounds like a rod bearing or main bearing has
spun. I'd
suspect lower end noise rather than valve train
noise.
The noise he is hearing is probably the piston hitting the head
when it
comes up in the cylinder.
Brad
Check out my home
page:
http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/E-Mail:
bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#
3612682
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com[
mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On
Behalf Of R.G.
Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 8:45 AM
To: R.G.; Stealth -
Team 3S
Subject: Re: Team3S: Problem from an SL owner in Canada (he really
needs
help)
Argh, forgot to say, that mis mechanic already checked the
timing belt and
it is ok. It was my first suggestion and even if the belt and
timing looks
good a compression check will show any damage to the valve train
too.
Later
Roger,
93'3000GT TT
>Roger I know your
expertise is the twin turbo but I am a desperate man my
>91gt sl died,
well sort of. It started loseing power and then became very
>noisy. I got
home but my friend who is a mechanic listened to it and
>suggested towing
it to the shop he works at. It will start fine but idles
>very poorly and
when you rev it you get a very unhealthy sound from the
>lower valve
train. I am from Canada and the mechanic I have has very
little
>experience with these cars. He does not want to start replacing
valves on a
<snip>
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htmFor
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htmFrom
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 1 11:30:32 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
LAA27765
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:30:32 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from cffsr011.cf (mwaa.com [209.48.217.9])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id LAA27757
for <
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:30:14 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by cffsr011.cf with Internet
Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id <TXK60PQ2>; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:28:40
-0400
Message-ID: <
AFCD395A19B7D2118E0900902732D17E560747@cffsr011.cf>
From:
"Wallis, Gavin" <
WallisG@MWAA.com>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.comSubject:
Team3S: FAQ Update
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:28:40 -0400
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.comPrecedence:
bulk
It's alive...that's about all the time I have to say
:).
Gavin
New Additions:
Stereo section
Maintenance
section
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htmFrom
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 1 14:45:55 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
OAA00392
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:45:55 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from motgate2.mot.com ([136.182.1.10])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id OAA00385
for <
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:45:51 -0700 (PDT)
Received: [from mothost.mot.com
(mothost.mot.com [129.188.137.101]) by motgate2.mot.com (MOT-motgate2 1.0) with
ESMTP id QAA06684 for <
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:45:43 -0500 (CDT)]
Received: [from ilms06.cig.mot.com
(ilms06.cig.mot.com [136.182.15.18]) by mothost.mot.com (MOT-mothost 2.0) with
ESMTP id QAA23896 for <
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:45:43 -0500 (CDT)]
Received: from email.mot.com
([160.4.35.122]) by
ilms06.cig.mot.com
(Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id
AAA6474
for <
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:45:13 -0500
Message-ID: <
37F52AF6.6D159B22@email.mot.com>
Date:
Fri, 01 Oct 1999 14:43:18 -0700
From: "Todd Schmalzried" <
Q11981@email.mot.com>
X-Mailer:
Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To:
stealth <
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject:
Team3S: motor removal
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.comPrecedence:
bulk
Hello All,
I am finally getting around to pulling the motor out
of my RT/TT.
The book says I need to drop the transaxle. Is this right? Can I
get it
out without having to go through all that extra work? I would
appreciate
a reply from anyone who has taken their motor
out.
Thanks
Todd
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htmFrom
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 1 14:57:19 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
OAA00605
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:57:19 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch
[194.158.230.44])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
OAA00598
for <
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:57:15 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from roger (194.230.23.190) by
newmail.spectraweb.ch; 1 Oct 1999 23:53:47 +0200
Message-ID:
<004b01bf0c57$bb233cc0$fcc2e6c2@roger>
From: "R.G." <
robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "Todd
Schmalzried" <
Q11981@email.mot.com>,
"stealth" <
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<
37F52AF6.6D159B22@email.mot.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: motor removal
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 23:55:41
+0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.comPrecedence:
bulk
> I am finally getting around to pulling the motor out of my
RT/TT.
> The book says I need to drop the transaxle. Is this
right?
You mean to get it out from under the car or what ? Fact is, that
the engine
can be overhauled in the bay. When the transaxle is out of the
way, the oil
pan can be removed and you'll gain access to just everything
from below and
the top. The motor mounts must also be removed as the engine
must be angeled
out a little. This way the pistons have been changed on my
car and this
reduced work a lot.
Roger,
93'3000GT
TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htmFrom
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 1 14:59:12 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
OAA00666
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:59:12 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail.casham.com ([205.183.158.13])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id OAA00659
for <
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:59:07 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by MAIL with Internet Mail
Service (5.5.2232.9)
id <TXMF3HR6>; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:59:11
-0500
Message-ID:
<30C462FFDD5CD311A34400805FF924CF26A7A3@MAIL>
From: "Landis,
Michael" <
MLandis@casham.com>
To: Todd
Schmalzried <
Q11981@email.mot.com>,
stealth
<
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: motor removal
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:59:10 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2232.9)
Content-Type: text/plain
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.comPrecedence:
bulk
Well, I can't speak for the TT cars, but I pulled my SL engine this
summer
without removing the transaxle.
However, I wouldn't recommend
it. It was a lot more work than it was worth,
and before it was all
over with I still ended up pulling both axels out and
unbolting the transaxle
and shoving it as far up against the passenger inner
fender as I could.
Still ended up crunching the main crankshaft pulley
($125 - used! - to
replace) and endangering the brake master cylinder.
Getting it back in was
almost as hairy. In the end, this "time-saving
omission"
probably cost me a couple of hours of EXTRA time.
If I had it to do over
again, I'd just go ahead and get the transaxle out of
the way to start with
and save myself a lot of grief - and money. Wish I'd
read the manual
more closely the first time...
Good Luck!
Michael
>
-----Original Message-----
> From: Todd Schmalzried [
SMTP:Q11981@email.mot.com]
>
Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 4:43 PM
> To: stealth
> Subject:
Team3S: motor removal
>
> Hello All,
> I am finally getting
around to pulling the motor out of my RT/TT.
> The book says I need to
drop the transaxle. Is this right? Can I get it
> out without having to go
through all that extra work? I would appreciate
> a reply from anyone who
has taken their motor out.
> Thanks
> Todd
> For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
>
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htmFor
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htmFrom
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 1 15:06:52 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
PAA00749
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:06:52 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch
[194.158.230.44])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
PAA00741
for <
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:06:49 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from roger (194.230.23.190) by
newmail.spectraweb.ch; 2 Oct 1999 00:03:23 +0200
Message-ID:
<005b01bf0c59$123be100$fcc2e6c2@roger>
From: "R.G." <
robby@freesurf.ch>
To: <
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<
AFCD395A19B7D2118E0900902732D17E560747@cffsr011.cf>
Subject:
Team3S: Stealth Convertible !
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 00:05:26
+0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.comPrecedence:
bulk
I guess the most of you already saw this but maybe you missed the
link :
http://members.home.com/jvan/Straman_mag1.htmI'd
immediatly sell my Z28 Convertible for it !!!
Roger
93'3000GT
TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htmFrom
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 1 15:54:18 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
PAA01327
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:54:18 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id PAA01320
for <
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:54:14 -0700 (PDT)
From:
TrboDrvr@aol.comReceived: from
TrboDrvr@aol.comby imo20.mx.aol.com
(mail_out_v22.4.) id 8KNMa21483 (4248);
Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:53:49 -0400
(EDT)
Message-ID: <
58b74923.2526957c@aol.com>
Date:
Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:53:48 EDT
Subject: Re: Team3S: motor removal
To:
MLandis@casham.com,
Q11981@email.mot.com,
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.comMIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: AOL
4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.comPrecedence:
bulk
I haven't removed my motor, but I have had my tranny out three times
on my 91
Stealth TT. And it is VERY heavy. I'd recommend
removing it for that reason
alone because the weight of the engine certainly
will be better balanced with
the tranny off. It's worth the extra work
to make sure there are no
accidents, like a tranny through your
windshield!
Joe 91 TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htmFrom
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 1 16:08:30 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
QAA01790
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:08:30 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from exchange1.bigcharts.com (exchange1.BigCharts.com
[206.146.143.5])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
QAA01783
for <
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:08:26 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet
Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id <4BZPAKDP>; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:12:02
-0500
Message-ID:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7569@EXCHANGE1>
From: Matt Jannusch
<
MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.comSubject:
RE: Team3S: Stealth Convertible !
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:11:54 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.comPrecedence:
bulk
> I guess the most of you already saw this but maybe you missed
> the link :
>
http://members.home.com/jvan/Straman_mag1.htm>
I'd immediately sell my Z28 Convertible for it !!!
Hmm, I think I prefer
my Spyder... If the conversion is really only $14,000 though, that's a
pretty good deal (considering originally the Spyder conversion was
$20,000). If you wouldn't miss the hardtop, then this guy's conversion is
the way to go.
The painted gauge bezel the guy did is pretty sweet
though. Something I would consider since I need to pull my gauge panel out
to polish some scratches out of it anyway. :-)
-Matt
'95 3000GT
Spyder VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htmFrom
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 1 18:42:46 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
SAA03994
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:42:46 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail.rdc1.az.home.com (
imail@ha1.rdc1.az.home.com
[24.1.240.66])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
SAA03986
for <
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:42:43 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from beast ([24.1.193.136]) by
mail.rdc1.az.home.com
(InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with
SMTP
id
<19991002014241.PLZW27294.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@beast>
for <
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:42:41 -0700
Reply-To: <
beking@home.com>
From: "Barry E.
King" <
beking@home.com>
To:
<
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: motor removal
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:42:48 -0700
Message-ID:
<
000001bf0c77$6eba2e00$0500a8c0@beast.kingdom.com>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer:
Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft
MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3
Importance: Normal
In-Reply-To:
<30C462FFDD5CD311A34400805FF924CF26A7A3@MAIL>
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.comPrecedence:
bulk
If the engine block needs no machining, I really like Roger's
suggestion.
Makes a lot of sense.
However, the engine and transaxle
assembly came out of my '94 VR4 quite
easily. I removed the hood for
plenty of overhead room. Having done the
transaxle by itself
previously, I feel this method saved quite a bit of
time. I put it in
this way too. I didn't even remove the plenum.
Worked
great. Once everything was disconnected that had to be
disconnected anyway,
the engine came right out. Putting it in with the
transaxle in place was
tricky because it has to be put in at an angle and
dropped onto/into the
respective mounting points in a particular
order.
All in all it went very well, and in less time than just putting
the
transmission in from beneath the car. Mating the transaxle onto the
engine
and aligning the clutch was trivial with the engine sitting right in
front
of you. Inserting the half shafts is easy and a step that is
included no
matter which method one chooses.
You do have to plan ahead
and see what is in the way but it saved me a lot
of
effort.
Barry
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent:
Friday, October 01, 1999 2:59 PM
> To: Todd Schmalzried; stealth
>
Subject: RE: Team3S: motor removal
>
>
> Well, I can't speak
for the TT cars, but I pulled my SL engine this summer
> without removing
the transaxle.
>
> However, I wouldn't recommend it. It was a
lot more work than it
> was worth,
> and before it was all over with
I still ended up pulling both
> axels out and
> unbolting the
transaxle and shoving it as far up against the
> passenger inner
>
fender as I could. Still ended up crunching the main crankshaft
pulley
> ($125 - used! - to replace) and endangering the brake master
cylinder.
> Getting it back in was almost as hairy. In the end, this
"time-saving
> omission" probably cost me a couple of hours of
EXTRA time.
>
> If I had it to do over again, I'd just go ahead and
get the
> transaxle out of
> the way to start with and save myself a
lot of grief - and money.
> Wish I'd
> read the manual more
closely the first time...
>
> Good Luck!
>
>
Michael
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htmFrom
owner-stealth-3000gt Sat Oct 2 02:40:05 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
CAA06993
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 02:40:05 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (
ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com
[24.4.0.67])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
CAA06983
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 02:40:02
-0700 (PDT)
Received: from c41552a ([24.4.50.244]) by
news.rdc1.tx.home.com
(InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with
SMTP
id
<19991002094001.SKJF17351.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@c41552a>
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Sat, 2 Oct 1999 02:40:01 -0700
Message-ID:
<04c601bf0cb9$30dc4bd0$f4320418@grlnd1.tx.home.com>
From:
"Jeff" <spydervr4@home.com>
To: "Sirius"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Need Help with Tire
Sizes
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 04:33:31 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
I know OE tires on most cars (VR4s) are 245/45R17 or 245/40R18,
depending on
wheel size. I also know that I used to have a '93 VR4 that
had 275/40R17s
on it and they fit fine. I currently have 245/45R17's on
my Spyder. I'm
looking at some new wheels and will be getting
18's. I can get 245/40R18's
which will only be 1mm shorter in total
height from what I have now or I can
get 275/35R18's which don't really cost
much more (for certain brands) and
be 4mm taller than what I have now.
Either way I don't really care because
it's "close enough" to keep
my speedometer in the ballpark.
What I'm wondering is, does anyone know
if 275/35R18's will rub? 275/40R17s
(which I had on my old '93 VR4)
didn't rub and are 1mm taller than my
current 245/45R17s. Will the
extra 3mm kill me? Did anything change in the
'94+ cars or Spyders that
might make the extra 30mm of width too wide?
jeff
'95 Mitsubishi
Spyder VR-4
'90 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 2 07:16:12 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id HAA10245
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 07:16:12 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id HAA10238
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 07:15:39 -0700
(PDT)
From: Aso8@aol.com
Received: from Aso8@aol.com
by
imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id uVVM00LYHk (4446);
Sat, 2 Oct 1999
10:15:04 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <32e4ee4d.25276d67@aol.com>
Date:
Sat, 2 Oct 1999 10:15:03 EDT
Subject: Team3S: EGT maximum limits -
Agree/disagree
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com, stealth@starnet.net
CC:
Aso8@aol.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer:
Windows AOL sub 41
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
* EGT Temp Probe
located in Rear Exhaust Manifold, prior to the turbo.
Add 150F degrees if
probe is after the turbo. 250F if probe in
downpipe/collector.
Celsius to Fahrenheit conversion formula is as
follows:
Multiply Celsius degrees by 9 and divide by 5, then add
32.
Stock motor & pistons
Celsius =
Fahrenheit
950 = 1742 PISTON MELT DOWN
EMINENT ! (short 1-2 sec bursts)
925 =
1700 Getting damn close
900 = 1652
About the maximum limit - unless racing
875 =
1607 or less No problems...
I'd consider anything over 875c degrees
deadly for sustained highway speed.
These are the numbers I've been
using. Any more current information available?
Thanks
Arty 91
VR-4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 2 07:56:21 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id HAA10692
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 07:56:21 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id HAA10685
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 07:56:18 -0700
(PDT)
From: Aso8@aol.com
Received: from Aso8@aol.com
by
imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id uNNVa07432 (4446);
Sat, 2 Oct 1999
10:55:50 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <c9444bf9.252776f3@aol.com>
Date:
Sat, 2 Oct 1999 10:55:47 EDT
Subject: Team3S: ETS
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com, stealth@starnet.net
CC:
Aso8@aol.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer:
Windows AOL sub 41
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Response from
Barry, worth reading.
Based on previous roadracing experience, my
experience says these figures
are fairly accurate.
Sustained running
(more than several seconds) of an engine above 1650 F will
definitely take a
toll on the engine. Damage will range from accelerated
wear to
immediate breakdown depending upon the condition of the engine.
Repeated
running above the safe zone will definitely lead to premature
failure at some
point in time.
For roadrace work where you need the engine to last 1350 F
average is
probably more realistic.
Note that these temperatures
assume no post chamber combustion. It is not
unusual to see piston
melting temperatures in the exhaust runners of bone
stock engines under
certain circumstances. Many ECUs will detect knock
under load (say on a
long uphill grade in top gear) and retard the timing to
the max. You
may see 1700-1900 F in the exhaust runners when this condition
exists.
Although this MAY not mean imminent meltdown it does mean that the
engine is
or has been stressing and not operating at peak efficiency, likely
due to
inadequate fuel or cooling for the particular
circumstance.
Barry
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt
Sat Oct 2 08:03:44 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id IAA10761
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 08:03:44 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.rdc1.az.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.az.home.com [24.1.240.66])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id IAA10754
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 08:03:41 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from beast ([24.1.193.136]) by
mail.rdc1.az.home.com
(InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with
SMTP
id
<19991002150340.TCXI27294.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@beast>
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Sat, 2 Oct 1999 08:03:40 -0700
Reply-To: <beking@home.com>
From:
"Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: ETS
Date: Sat,
2 Oct 1999 08:03:56 -0700
Message-ID:
<000a01bf0ce7$5962f760$0500a8c0@beast.kingdom.com>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer:
Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft
MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3
Importance: Normal
In-Reply-To:
<c9444bf9.252776f3@aol.com>
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Thanks
Arty.
Just a clarification: by "inadequate fuel" I mean
grade of fuel (octane
rating) as opposed to amount of fuel, although the
latter could cause
similar symptoms. Insufficient amount fuel is can
cause a lean burn
situation, also causing unduly high temperatures,
which is different than
part of the fuel charge burning in the exhaust system
due to exaggerated
timing.
Barry
> -----Original
Message-----
> Response from Barry, worth
reading.
>
<snipped>
> exists. Although
this MAY not mean imminent meltdown it does
> mean that the
> engine
is or has been stressing and not operating at peak
> efficiency,
likely
> due to inadequate fuel or cooling for the particular
circumstance.
>
>
> Barry
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sat Oct 2 11:01:28 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
LAA12366
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 11:01:28 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from refuge.Colorado.EDU (root@refuge.Colorado.EDU
[128.138.196.2])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
LAA12359
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 11:01:25
-0700 (PDT)
Received: from refuge.colorado.edu (demon.Colorado.EDU
[128.138.196.115])
by refuge.Colorado.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/UnixOps+Hesiod (PDH))
with ESMTP id MAA15050
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 2 Oct
1999 12:01:23 -0600 (MDT)
Message-ID:
<37F64885.4E96A22C@refuge.colorado.edu>
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 12:01:41
-0600
From: Dave <monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
X-Mailer: Mozilla
4.5 [en] (Win95; U)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To:
"stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: transfer case info
and pics
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Update of my
Getrag transfer case woes:
well, I think I might have one for the record
books.. I'm sure many of you
have seen worse, but keep in mind that I
drove my car to the shop with no
idea of how bad it really
was..
http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~monarchd/3000gt/
(I just made this
page, so there's not much there.. click on the Getrag link)
my pics
aren't quite as good as Mikaels, but I'll try to take some better
ones next
week..
btw, a huge thank you to the people expressing concern for safety
regarding
the possibility of a lock-up.. I think a probably only had a
couple more
miles left before this was likely.. There was truly no
warning other than
the whine..
for what it's worth, it seems like the
2nd gen transfer case may be the
same.. I didn't take the time to get
the numbers from the bearings and
seals, but I wrote down the case part
numbers if anyone wants to compare..
I couldn't find a number on the end
that bolts to the transmission (there
are 3 sections to the case), but here
are the middle and other end numbers:
446.0.0722.91 and
446.0.0710.90
unfortunately for me, this isn't going to be a simple
bearing and seal
replacement, but it sure looks like Mikaels instructions
would work for
anyone that doesn't have gear, case or spline
damage..
that's all for now..
Dave
95 (waiting for an organ
donor) VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 2 13:02:55 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id NAA13793
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:02:55 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.rdc1.az.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.az.home.com [24.1.240.66])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id NAA13786
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:02:52 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from cx85612-a ([24.1.193.136]) by
mail.rdc1.az.home.com
(InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with
SMTP
id
<19991002200250.UKJA27294.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@cx85612-a>
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:02:50 -0700
Reply-To: <beking@home.com>
From:
"Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: transfer case
info and pics
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:02:59 -0700
Message-ID:
<000001bf0d11$20629540$88c10118@cx85612-a.home.com>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer:
Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0
Importance: Normal
In-Reply-To:
<37F64885.4E96A22C@refuge.colorado.edu>
X-MimeOLE: Produced By
Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
The 93.5 and on
transfer cases are the same. They are easily identified by
the cast
iron case. Earlier models had an aluminum case. Also, the
spline
counts vary.
Barry
> -----Original
Message-----
<snip>
for what it's worth, it seems like the
2nd gen transfer case may be the
same.. I didn't take the time to get
the numbers from the bearings and
seals, but I wrote down the case part
numbers if anyone wants to compare..
I couldn't find a number on the end
that bolts to the transmission (there
are 3 sections to the case), but here
are the middle and other end numbers:
446.0.0722.91 and
446.0.0710.90
<snip>
Dave
95 (waiting for an organ donor)
VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 3 10:56:22 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id KAA23551
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 10:56:22 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
Mail.austin.rr.com (sm2.texas.rr.com [24.93.35.55])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id KAA23544
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 10:56:16 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from bradley ([24.28.71.119]) by Mail.austin.rr.com
with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18);
Sun, 3 Oct 1999 12:50:04
-0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
To:
<Aso8@aol.com>, <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: EGT maximum limits - Agree/disagree
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 12:59:35
-0500
Message-ID:
<LNBBICBDKNDOJAHLDNDDIEJLEOAA.bbedell@austin.rr.com>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer:
Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)
In-Reply-To:
<32e4ee4d.25276d67@aol.com>
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Importance: Normal
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I'd have to
agree with these numbers.
What if you throw in better valves, ceramic
coated forged pistons, ceramic
coated combustion chamber, headers and
turbos.
What about any thoughts to keep the EGT's down? We
know water injection.
But what about timing and fuel? These should also be
considered at the
levels some of us are at.
Brad
Check out my
home page: http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
E-Mail:
bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ# 3612682
-----Original
Message-----
From:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On
Behalf Of Aso8@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 1999 9:15 AM
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com; stealth@starnet.net
Cc:
Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: EGT maximum limits - Agree/disagree
*
EGT Temp Probe located in Rear Exhaust Manifold, prior to the turbo.
Add 150F
degrees if probe is after the turbo. 250F if probe
in
downpipe/collector.
Celsius to Fahrenheit conversion formula is as
follows:
Multiply Celsius degrees by 9 and divide by 5, then add
32.
Stock motor & pistons
Celsius =
Fahrenheit
950 = 1742 PISTON MELT DOWN
EMINENT ! (short 1-2 sec bursts)
925 =
1700 Getting damn close
900 = 1652
About the maximum limit - unless racing
875 =
1607 or less No problems...
I'd consider anything over 875c degrees
deadly for sustained highway speed.
These are the numbers I've been
using. Any more current information
available?
Thanks
Arty 91
VR-4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sun Oct 3 11:30:50 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
LAA23898
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 11:30:50 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail.rdc1.az.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.az.home.com
[24.1.240.66])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
LAA23891
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 11:30:47
-0700 (PDT)
Received: from cx85612-a ([24.1.193.136]) by
mail.rdc1.az.home.com
(InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with
SMTP
id
<19991003183046.ZLVK27294.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@cx85612-a>
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Sun, 3 Oct 1999 11:30:46 -0700
Reply-To: <beking@home.com>
From:
"Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: EGT maximum
limits - Agree/disagree
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 11:30:47 -0700
Message-ID:
<000101bf0dcd$68fc86a0$88c10118@cx85612-a.home.com>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer:
Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0
Importance: Normal
X-MimeOLE:
Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3
In-Reply-To:
<LNBBICBDKNDOJAHLDNDDIEJLEOAA.bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
This might seem
nit picky or perhaps even obvious, but I think it is
important to distinguish
between EGT and combustion chamber temperature.
EGT is an indication of
combustion chamber temperature. A "properly"
running engine
will have EGTs somewhat lower than actual combustion
temperatures depending
upon where it is measured. An engine with
exaggerated retarded timing
will sometimes show higher EGTs than what might
normally be considered safe,
yet the combustion temperatures may actually
the same as what may be observed
at "normnal" load conditions without the
retarded timing.
This doesn't necessarily mean the pistons are about to
melt although it
should serve as a warning that the ECU is attempting to
compensate for less
than optimal combustion conditions, usually it is
pulling timing out to the
max. If it can't pull out any more timing but
still might
"want" to, then there is a danger of burning the engine down,
not
to mention that power output has already dropped way off of what
is
possible.
Bottom line, run the correct mixture of fuel for the
amount of air (which
relates to boost in the case of a turbocharged engine)
and most importantly
the correct grade of fuel, and tune timing for optimal
power at those
mixtures. Big boost numbers sound cool for bench racing
purposes but will
kill an engine in short order without adequate combustion
conditions (grade
of fuel, amount of fuel, ability to ignite the mixture,
timing and ability
to remove heat from the combustion chamber for
starters).
I suspect that actual cylinder pressure doesn't become much of
an issue
within mechanical limits as long as the fuel is there in the correct
ratio.
Correct timing control is something that is sorely lacking for
aftermakret
goodies, since the Apex'i ITC is not the safest to use without
other
feedback. I suppose a reprogrammed ECU or a full blown EMS would
do the
trick but it'd be nice to have a more affordable
alternative.
Barry
> -----Original
Message-----
>
> I'd have to agree with these
numbers.
>
> What if you throw in better valves, ceramic coated
forged pistons, ceramic
> coated combustion chamber, headers and
turbos.
>
> What about any thoughts to keep the EGT's
down? We know water injection.
> But what about timing and
fuel? These should also be considered at the
> levels some of us are
at.
>
>
> Brad
> Check out my home page:
http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sun Oct 3 13:03:51 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
NAA24588
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 13:03:51 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from net-server.advant.com (nt1.advant.com
[207.50.113.87])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
NAA24581
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 13:03:47
-0700 (PDT)
Received: from ebk.advant.com ([207.50.113.120]) by
net-server.advant.com
(Post.Office MTA Undefined release
Undefined
ID#
0-53837U1500L1500S0V35) with SMTP id
com
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:00:20 -0500
Message-Id:
<3.0.5.32.19991003145619.00794490@advant.com>
X-Sender:
ebk@advant.com
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5
(32)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 14:56:19 -0500
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
From: ebk@advant.com (Katz, Eric)
Subject:
Team3S: Re: Team3S Digest V1 #298
In-Reply-To:
<199910031756.KAA23562@list.sirius.com>
Mime-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
At 10:56 AM
10/3/99 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Team3S
Digest Sunday, October 3
1999 Volume 01 : Number
298
>
>
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Date:
Sat, 2 Oct 1999 10:55:47 EDT
>From: Aso8@aol.com
>Subject: Team3S:
ETS
>
>Response from Barry, worth reading.
>
>Based on
previous roadracing experience, my experience says these figures
>are
fairly accurate.
>
>Sustained running (more than several seconds) of
an engine above 1650 F will
>definitely take a toll on the engine.
Damage will range from accelerated
>wear to immediate breakdown depending
upon the condition of the engine.
>Repeated running above the safe zone
will definitely lead to premature
>failure at some point in
time.
>
>For roadrace work where you need the engine to last 1350 F
average is
>probably more realistic.
>
>Note that these
temperatures assume no post chamber combustion. It is not
>unusual
to see piston melting temperatures in the exhaust runners of bone
>stock
engines under certain circumstances. Many ECUs will detect
knock
>under load (say on a long uphill grade in top gear) and retard the
timing to
>the max. You may see 1700-1900 F in the exhaust runners
when this condition
>exists. Although this MAY not mean imminent
meltdown it does mean that the
>engine is or has been stressing and not
operating at peak efficiency, likely
>due to inadequate fuel or cooling
for the particular circumstance.
>
>
>Barry
>For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:
Sat, 2 Oct 1999 08:03:56 -0700
>From: "Barry E. King"
<beking@home.com>
>Subject: RE: Team3S: ETS
>
>Thanks
Arty.
>
>Just a clarification: by "inadequate fuel"
I mean grade of fuel (octane
>rating) as opposed to amount of fuel,
although the latter could cause
>similar symptoms. Insufficient
amount fuel is can cause a lean burn
>situation, also causing unduly
high temperatures, which is different than
>part of the fuel charge
burning in the exhaust system due to
exaggerated
>timing.
>
>
>Barry
>
>>
-----Original Message-----
>> Response from Barry, worth
reading.
>>
>
>
><snipped>
>
>>
exists. Although this MAY not mean imminent meltdown it does
>>
mean that the
>> engine is or has been stressing and not operating at
peak
>> efficiency, likely
>> due to inadequate fuel or
cooling for the particular circumstance.
>>
>>
>>
Barry
>
>For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:
Sat, 02 Oct 1999 12:01:41 -0600
>From: Dave
<monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
>Subject: Team3S: transfer case info
and pics
>
>Update of my Getrag transfer case
woes:
>
>well, I think I might have one for the record books..
I'm sure many of you
>have seen worse, but keep in mind that I drove my
car to the shop with no
>idea of how bad it really
was..
>
>http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~monarchd/3000gt/
>
>(I
just made this page, so there's not much there.. click on the
Getrag
link)
>
>my pics aren't quite as good as Mikaels, but I'll
try to take some better
>ones next week..
>
>btw, a huge
thank you to the people expressing concern for safety regarding
>the
possibility of a lock-up.. I think a probably only had a couple more
>miles left before this was likely.. There was truly no warning
other than
>the whine..
>
>for what it's worth, it seems like
the 2nd gen transfer case may be the
>same.. I didn't take the time
to get the numbers from the bearings and
>seals, but I wrote down the
case part numbers if anyone wants to compare..
>
>I couldn't find a
number on the end that bolts to the transmission (there
>are 3 sections to
the case), but here are the middle and other end numbers:
>446.0.0722.91
and 446.0.0710.90
>
>unfortunately for me, this isn't going to be a
simple bearing and seal
>replacement, but it sure looks like Mikaels
instructions would work for
>anyone that doesn't have gear, case or spline
damage..
>
>that's all for now..
>
>Dave
>95
(waiting for an organ donor) VR4
>For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:
Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:02:59 -0700
>From: "Barry E. King"
<beking@home.com>
>Subject: RE: Team3S: transfer case info and
pics
>
>The 93.5 and on transfer cases are the same. They are
easily identified by
>the cast iron case. Earlier models had an
aluminum case. Also, the spline
>counts
vary.
>
>
>Barry
>
>> -----Original
Message-----
>
><snip>
>
>for what it's worth, it
seems like the 2nd gen transfer case may be the
>same.. I didn't
take the time to get the numbers from the bearings and
>seals, but I wrote
down the case part numbers if anyone wants to compare..
>
>I
couldn't find a number on the end that bolts to the transmission
(there
>are 3 sections to the case), but here are the middle and other end
numbers:
>446.0.0722.91 and
446.0.0710.90
>
><snip>
>
>Dave
>95 (waiting
for an organ donor) VR4
>
>For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:
Sun, 3 Oct 1999 12:59:35 -0500
>From: "Brad Bedell"
<bbedell@austin.rr.com>
>Subject: RE: Team3S: EGT maximum limits -
Agree/disagree
>
>I'd have to agree with these
numbers.
>
>What if you throw in better valves, ceramic coated
forged pistons, ceramic
>coated combustion chamber, headers and
turbos.
>
>What about any thoughts to keep the EGT's
down? We know water injection.
>But what about timing and
fuel? These should also be considered at the
>levels some of us are
at.
>
>
>Brad
>Check out my home page:
http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
> E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com
ICQ# 3612682
>
>- -----Original Message-----
>From:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On
Behalf Of Aso8@aol.com
>Sent: Saturday, October 02, 1999 9:15
AM
>To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com; stealth@starnet.net
>Cc:
Aso8@aol.com
>Subject: Team3S: EGT maximum limits -
Agree/disagree
>
>* EGT Temp Probe located in Rear Exhaust Manifold,
prior to the turbo.
>Add 150F degrees if probe is after the turbo. 250F if
probe in
>downpipe/collector.
>
>Celsius to Fahrenheit
conversion formula is as follows:
>Multiply Celsius degrees by 9 and
divide by 5, then add 32.
>
>Stock motor &
pistons
>Celsius = Fahrenheit
> 950 =
1742 PISTON MELT DOWN EMINENT ! (short 1-2 sec bursts)
>
925 = 1700 Getting damn close
>
900 = 1652 About the maximum limit - unless
racing
> 875 = 1607 or less No
problems...
>
>I'd consider anything over 875c degrees deadly for
sustained highway speed.
>
>These are the numbers I've been using.
Any more current information
>available?
>
>Thanks
>Arty
91 VR-4
>
>For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
>http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
>For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
>------------------------------
>
>End
of Team3S Digest V1 #298
>****************************
>
>For
unsubscribe info and FAQ, see our web page
at
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 3 14:16:07 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id OAA25261
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 14:16:07 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
server1.net-ex.com ([209.131.28.20])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id OAA25253
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 14:15:44 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from netexp.com ([209.69.216.38]) by
server1.net-ex.com
(Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with ESMTP id
AAA248
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:13:07 -0400
Message-ID:
<37F7C732.C0619672@netexp.com>
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 17:14:26
-0400
From: dgkessler@netexp.com (Kessler, D.)
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]
(Win98; I)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To:
"stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Best brake
fluid
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I plan on
changing my brake fluid in my 1993 R/T TT and wondered what
would be the best
to use. I don't race, just street driving and
fast
corners.
Don
3si # 152
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sun Oct 3 14:46:47 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
OAA25538
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 14:46:47 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from net-server.advant.com (nt1.advant.com
[207.50.113.87])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
OAA25531
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 14:46:44
-0700 (PDT)
Received: from ebk.advant.com ([207.50.113.221]) by
net-server.advant.com
(Post.Office MTA Undefined release
Undefined
ID#
0-53837U1500L1500S0V35) with SMTP id
com
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:48:05 -0500
Message-Id:
<3.0.5.32.19991003195619.007a0c70@advant.com>
X-Sender:
ebk@advant.com
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5
(32)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 19:56:19 -0500
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
From: ebk@advant.com (Katz, Eric)
Subject:
Team3S: Re: Team3S Digest V1 #298
In-Reply-To:
<199910031756.KAA23562@list.sirius.com>
Mime-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
At 10:56 AM
10/3/99 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Team3S
Digest Sunday, October 3
1999 Volume 01 : Number
298
>
>
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Date:
Sat, 2 Oct 1999 10:55:47 EDT
>From: Aso8@aol.com
>Subject: Team3S:
ETS
>
>Response from Barry, worth reading.
>
>Based on
previous roadracing experience, my experience says these figures
>are
fairly accurate.
>
>Sustained running (more than several seconds) of
an engine above 1650 F will
>definitely take a toll on the engine.
Damage will range from accelerated
>wear to immediate breakdown depending
upon the condition of the engine.
>Repeated running above the safe zone
will definitely lead to premature
>failure at some point in
time.
>
>For roadrace work where you need the engine to last 1350 F
average is
>probably more realistic.
>
>Note that these
temperatures assume no post chamber combustion. It is not
>unusual
to see piston melting temperatures in the exhaust runners of bone
>stock
engines under certain circumstances. Many ECUs will detect
knock
>under load (say on a long uphill grade in top gear) and retard the
timing to
>the max. You may see 1700-1900 F in the exhaust runners
when this condition
>exists. Although this MAY not mean imminent
meltdown it does mean that the
>engine is or has been stressing and not
operating at peak efficiency, likely
>due to inadequate fuel or cooling
for the particular circumstance.
>
>
>Barry
>For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:
Sat, 2 Oct 1999 08:03:56 -0700
>From: "Barry E. King"
<beking@home.com>
>Subject: RE: Team3S: ETS
>
>Thanks
Arty.
>
>Just a clarification: by "inadequate fuel"
I mean grade of fuel (octane
>rating) as opposed to amount of fuel,
although the latter could cause
>similar symptoms. Insufficient
amount fuel is can cause a lean burn
>situation, also causing unduly
high temperatures, which is different than
>part of the fuel charge
burning in the exhaust system due to
exaggerated
>timing.
>
>
>Barry
>
>>
-----Original Message-----
>> Response from Barry, worth
reading.
>>
>
>
><snipped>
>
>>
exists. Although this MAY not mean imminent meltdown it does
>>
mean that the
>> engine is or has been stressing and not operating at
peak
>> efficiency, likely
>> due to inadequate fuel or
cooling for the particular circumstance.
>>
>>
>>
Barry
>
>For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:
Sat, 02 Oct 1999 12:01:41 -0600
>From: Dave
<monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
>Subject: Team3S: transfer case info
and pics
>
>Update of my Getrag transfer case
woes:
>
>well, I think I might have one for the record books..
I'm sure many of you
>have seen worse, but keep in mind that I drove my
car to the shop with no
>idea of how bad it really
was..
>
>http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~monarchd/3000gt/
>
>(I
just made this page, so there's not much there.. click on the
Getrag
link)
>
>my pics aren't quite as good as Mikaels, but I'll
try to take some better
>ones next week..
>
>btw, a huge
thank you to the people expressing concern for safety regarding
>the
possibility of a lock-up.. I think a probably only had a couple more
>miles left before this was likely.. There was truly no warning
other than
>the whine..
>
>for what it's worth, it seems like
the 2nd gen transfer case may be the
>same.. I didn't take the time
to get the numbers from the bearings and
>seals, but I wrote down the
case part numbers if anyone wants to compare..
>
>I couldn't find a
number on the end that bolts to the transmission (there
>are 3 sections to
the case), but here are the middle and other end numbers:
>446.0.0722.91
and 446.0.0710.90
>
>unfortunately for me, this isn't going to be a
simple bearing and seal
>replacement, but it sure looks like Mikaels
instructions would work for
>anyone that doesn't have gear, case or spline
damage..
>
>that's all for now..
>
>Dave
>95
(waiting for an organ donor) VR4
>For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:
Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:02:59 -0700
>From: "Barry E. King"
<beking@home.com>
>Subject: RE: Team3S: transfer case info and
pics
>
>The 93.5 and on transfer cases are the same. They are
easily identified by
>the cast iron case. Earlier models had an
aluminum case. Also, the spline
>counts
vary.
>
>
>Barry
>
>> -----Original
Message-----
>
><snip>
>
>for what it's worth, it
seems like the 2nd gen transfer case may be the
>same.. I didn't
take the time to get the numbers from the bearings and
>seals, but I wrote
down the case part numbers if anyone wants to compare..
>
>I
couldn't find a number on the end that bolts to the transmission
(there
>are 3 sections to the case), but here are the middle and other end
numbers:
>446.0.0722.91 and
446.0.0710.90
>
><snip>
>
>Dave
>95 (waiting
for an organ donor) VR4
>
>For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:
Sun, 3 Oct 1999 12:59:35 -0500
>From: "Brad Bedell"
<bbedell@austin.rr.com>
>Subject: RE: Team3S: EGT maximum limits -
Agree/disagree
>
>I'd have to agree with these
numbers.
>
>What if you throw in better valves, ceramic coated
forged pistons, ceramic
>coated combustion chamber, headers and
turbos.
>
>What about any thoughts to keep the EGT's
down? We know water injection.
>But what about timing and
fuel? These should also be considered at the
>levels some of us are
at.
>
>
>Brad
>Check out my home page:
http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
> E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com
ICQ# 3612682
>
>- -----Original Message-----
>From:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On
Behalf Of Aso8@aol.com
>Sent: Saturday, October 02, 1999 9:15
AM
>To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com; stealth@starnet.net
>Cc:
Aso8@aol.com
>Subject: Team3S: EGT maximum limits -
Agree/disagree
>
>* EGT Temp Probe located in Rear Exhaust Manifold,
prior to the turbo.
>Add 150F degrees if probe is after the turbo. 250F if
probe in
>downpipe/collector.
>
>Celsius to Fahrenheit
conversion formula is as follows:
>Multiply Celsius degrees by 9 and
divide by 5, then add 32.
>
>Stock motor &
pistons
>Celsius = Fahrenheit
> 950 =
1742 PISTON MELT DOWN EMINENT ! (short 1-2 sec bursts)
>
925 = 1700 Getting damn close
>
900 = 1652 About the maximum limit - unless
racing
> 875 = 1607 or less No
problems...
>
>I'd consider anything over 875c degrees deadly for
sustained highway speed.
>
>These are the numbers I've been using.
Any more current information
>available?
>
>Thanks
>Arty
91 VR-4
>
>For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
>http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
>For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
>------------------------------
>
>End
of Team3S Digest V1 #298
>****************************
>
>For
unsubscribe info and FAQ, see our web page
at
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 3 17:32:58 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id RAA27246
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:32:58 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
pclink.com (root@mail.pclink.com [204.72.134.12])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id RAA27239
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:32:54 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from logikit (pm2-02 [206.11.1.74])
by pclink.com
(8.9.2/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA22702;
Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:32:50 -0500
(CDT)
Message-ID: <02f901bdef2e$272df7e0$4a010bce@logikit>
From:
"Oskar" <swede@pclink.com>
To: "Kessler, D."
<dgkessler@netexp.com>,
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<37F7C732.C0619672@netexp.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Best brake
fluid
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:30:12 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
So what you're really asking for is opinions...
I have had
good luck with ATR Super Blue, $9.95 from OG racing. So far
only
street, but I will do my first road course next weekend so I'll find out
how
good it really is.
Oskar
'95 R/T TT
60-0 really
fast
> I plan on changing my brake fluid in my 1993 R/T TT
and wondered what
> would be the best to use. I don't race, just
street driving and fast
> corners.
>
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 3 17:33:58 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id RAA27302
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:33:58 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id RAA27295
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:33:55 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from roger (194.230.17.254) by newmail.spectraweb.ch; 3 Oct
1999 23:56:57 +0200
Message-ID:
<003d01bf0dea$819076a0$2ec0e6c2@roger>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<000101bf0dcd$68fc86a0$88c10118@cx85612-a.home.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: EGT maximum limits - Agree/disagree
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:58:45
+0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
8bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Unfortunately, my setup doesn't feature an EGT yet so my assumptions
and
findings are not based on experience.
This weekend I made my final
tune ins for another air/fuel control (more
information soon). I made a lot
runs with different fuel settings (all at
1.00 - 1.10kg/cm2) and recorded all
of them. First, my aim was to run a rich
condition under high boost, say
around 0.88V of the O2 sensors. The result
at this voltage was a lot of knock
starting at 4800 what resulted in the
timing retarded. But knock went not
away and the timing got retarded even
more until knock didn't rose anymore.
The logs shows that the timing is
pretty well advanced and just before the
knock it was at 40°. The ECU took
it then back to 36° but knock
increased a little bit more. Not enough as the
timing came back another
degree.
At this point the O2 sensor voltage got lowered, indicating a
leaner (only a
little) situation during the retarded timing. I'm pretty sure,
and EGT meter
had showed a higher temp at this point too.
On turbo
engines running at higher boost than the engine was designed for
the pressure
infront of the turbo may increase to a high than good reading.
This enhanced
backpressure also causes the EGT to rise. Therefore the
combustion
temperature may be lower than the temps measured infront the
turbo. But this
indication shows a danger because this high gases may be
pushed back into the
combustion chamber causing a short but heavy lean
condition. I'm pretty sure,
no EGT nor O2 sensor may be able to read this
condition :-( But the ECU does
if this situation causes knock ... well it
normally would ... or not ?? Our
ECU has the ability to "learn" what
cylinder causes knock. Also it
is able to disable the injector and ignition
of this specific cylinder and
this is called ... fuel cut ! Therefore, if FC
is initiated onyl for 1 cyl
we'd loose 1/6 of the power for a short time but
if this appears on 4 cyls we
may really speak of theeth-danger fuel cut.
> Bottom line, run the
correct mixture of fuel for the amount of air (which
> relates to boost in
the case of a turbocharged engine) and most
importantly
> the correct
grade of fuel, and tune timing for optimal power at those
>
mixtures.
Barry is very right here and my logs really show that running
93 octane at 1
bar of boost is the point where the timing already got
retarded. Only a
little, but knock is enough to steal some of the timing
away.
> Big boost numbers sound cool for bench racing purposes but
will
> kill an engine in short order without adequate combustion
conditions
(grade
> of fuel, amount of fuel, ability to ignite the
mixture, timing and ability
> to remove heat from the combustion chamber
for starters).
I totally agree here too. You remember the plug gap stuff
? Why do we have
to reduce the gap of the plugs when running higher boost ?
Is this because
the spark cannot travel well through the mixture (that is
still the at right
rich value) ? I've noticed this "hesitation"
again at around 6000 on the
dyno and this caused a small valley in the power
curve. The sound was
noticeable but ... no knock measured by the ECU !!!
Therefore, the problem
doesn't come from detonation as this would cause
knock. Therefore, the only
thing I can think of is that the fuel in the
chamber was not burnt in this
cycle. As a result of this the fuel went out to
the exhaust manifold and due
to the high pressure and temperatures, got
ignited ... causing the sound.
But I doubt, as this "backfiring"
would sound more troublelike and not only
like a hesitation. I therefore
think that fuel was sent out through the
whole exhaust then. The fuel
smelling drops on the dyno ground may prove
this.
Also, as Mike from
Germany came down for the dyno day with his car and he
and Jim had some fast
rides on the Autobahn, he noticed pretty high EGTs.
After regapping the plugs
from one to the other run he then saw lower
reading on the way back
home.
> I suspect that actual cylinder pressure doesn't become much of
an issue
> within mechanical limits as long as the fuel is there in the
correct
ratio.
We all know that richen the mixture may steal some
power but lowers knock.
If running 93 RON (98 ROZ) at 1 bar and a lower plug
gap I'm very positive
that NOT the whole fuel got burnt ! Therefore the rest
is used to cool the
chamber, to lower the temperature. I'd then would say
that the EGTs are also
lower due to this. Lowering the chambers temperature
with a WIS is a better
idea as the mixture can be leaner. I activated thw WI
and indeed got the
same low knock amount even with leaner readings. And this
is why every WI
user should tune in the system either with a real time knock
sensor or a
good EGT meter, maybe with peak hold.
> Correct timing
control is something that is sorely lacking for aftermakret
> goodies,
since the Apex'i ITC is not the safest to use without other
>
feedback. I suppose a reprogrammed ECU or a full blown EMS would do
the
> trick but it'd be nice to have a more affordable
alternative.
I must say that our ECU is doing a good job here. IMHO, a
timing advance of
36 - 40° between 5000 and 7000 rpm is pretty good and
the ECU acts quickly
if there is a possible problem. A Haltech system is a
good solution although
there is definitively a lot of work to do to get it
running properly. The
ITC is like the AFC not a real good solution as it is
ONLY rpm based. My
logs show that there is different load in the gears and
knock for an example
may appear not in second but in third and on another run
in first but not
second. Our ECU is taken care of this pretty
good.
> > What if you throw in better valves, ceramic coated forged
pistons,
ceramic
> > coated combustion chamber, headers and
turbos.
This is like you double the steel plates on a tank to avoid
bigger bullets.
This will help you to survive but the enemy is still out
there :-) The
forged pistons are stronger and withstand more detonation until
they brake.
Total Seal rings withstand higher temperature and let you run
higher boost
with less danger for them to brake. But everything leads again
to a good
mixture and fuel quality (i.e. octane rating). If I'd run these
internals
I'd not be concerned about running higher boost as the more knock
will not
cause more problems with the same bosot. But detonation is already
there and
the timing gets retarded due to this. Finally fuel cut is initiated
to
prevent danage although these internals may withstand it. I know
of
Camaro/Firebird people who lowered the sensitivity of the knock sensor
with
a simple resitor circuit (voltage devider). They did this due to
different
roller rockers, lifters, hotter cam and stonger springs that caused
more
noise, but is this really the way to go ?
Sorry, this was more
EGT-side stuff and I hope to be able to see my EGTs too
soon to able to give
mroe data on what belongs to what.
Roger
93'3000GT
TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 3 20:51:35 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id UAA29794
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:51:35 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
premier1.premier1.net (root@premier1.premier1.net [206.40.134.38])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id UAA29787
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:51:32 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from premier1.net (starmax.linux.premier1.net
[207.149.152.53]) by premier1.premier1.net (8.8.6/8.7) with ESMTP id UAA16275
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:47:01 -0700
(PDT)
Message-ID: <37F82651.74FC0C4D@premier1.net>
Date: Sun, 03 Oct
1999 21:00:37 -0700
From: David Margrave
<davidma@premier1.net>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; U;
PPC)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: clutch engagement &
disengagement
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii;
x-mac-type="54455854";
x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Hello,
I've been noticing lately that I get the
"thud" noise from the rear of
the car on clutch engagement and
expecially disengagement. Seems to
happen in a lot of gears, but its
definitely more pronounced in lower
gears. Especially releasing the
clutch (pedal in) in 1st.
I remember a discussion a while back on this
type of thing, and the
possible causes were clutch pedal height (already
checked and adjusted),
the driveshaft carrier or similar bearings, and the
whole driveshaft
itself. Of course, it could just be my relatively new
clutch (3000
miles) being kind of stiff on engagement &
disengagement. Hopefully
not the getrash acting
up!
Thanks,
Dave Margrave
'91 R/T TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 4 00:35:52 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id AAA01518
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:35:52 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
refuge.Colorado.EDU (root@refuge.Colorado.EDU [128.138.196.2])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id AAA01510
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:35:49 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from refuge.colorado.edu (demon.Colorado.EDU
[128.138.196.115])
by refuge.Colorado.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/UnixOps+Hesiod (PDH))
with ESMTP id BAA27598
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 4 Oct
1999 01:35:47 -0600 (MDT)
Message-ID:
<37F858E3.FFFCB2F2@refuge.colorado.edu>
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 01:36:03
-0600
From: Dave <monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
X-Mailer: Mozilla
4.5 [en] (Win95; U)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: clutch engagement &
disengagement
References:
<37F82651.74FC0C4D@premier1.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
David Margrave
wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I've been noticing lately that I
get the "thud" noise from the rear of
> the car on clutch
engagement and expecially disengagement. Seems to
> happen in a lot
of gears, but its definitely more pronounced in lower
> gears.
Especially releasing the clutch (pedal in) in 1st.
>
> I remember a
discussion a while back on this type of thing, and the
> possible causes
were clutch pedal height (already checked and adjusted),
> the driveshaft
carrier or similar bearings, and the whole driveshaft
> itself. Of
course, it could just be my relatively new clutch (3000
> miles) being
kind of stiff on engagement & disengagement. Hopefully
>
not the getrash acting up!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
Margrave
> '91 R/T TT
I highly doubt this is related, but given my
recent experience with my VR4
transfer case, I decided to change the fluid
in my VW GTI transaxle as well
even though it wasn't exhibiting any
"symptoms".. to my surprise, it was
about a quart low (2
quart capacity) but didn't notice anything unusal about
the color or other
characteristics of the fluid.. I guess I got lucky with
this
one..
So here I am thinking I'm going to be doing a good thing by
changing fluid,
not to mention having the appropriate amount in there..
well, everything
is nice and smooth, except A) now I get the "thud"
when pressing in the
clutch, and B) my second gear syncro is being much more
tempermental now..
the other variable is that I changed to a thicker
viscosity (which of course
there is more of now) right when it got cold
out.. 90W and ~50F.. so maybe
it's just me.. I suppose it
could have been actiing the same way last
winter as well and I didn't
notice..
food for thought anyway..
as I said, I
doubt it's related.. hope it wasn't a complete waste
of
bandwidth..
Dave
95 (currently 2WD) VR4
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 4 07:57:31 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id HAA05270
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:57:31 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
smtp5.quixnet.net (smtp5.array3.laserlink.net [63.65.122.175])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id HAA05263
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:57:28 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mooredw.nswc.navy.mil (a038-175.crane.navy.mil
[164.227.38.175])
by smtp5.quixnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id
KAA08501
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 10:57:23
-0400 (EDT)
Message-Id:
<199910041457.KAA08501@smtp5.quixnet.net>
From: "Dennis
Moore" <stealth@quixnet.net>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:57:20
-0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain;
charset=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Subject: Re: Team3S:
clutch engagement & disengagement
In-reply-to:
<37F858E3.FFFCB2F2@refuge.colorado.edu>
X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for
Win32 (v3.12)
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
What did you change your fluid to? OEM, Redline,
other?
On 4 Oct 99, at 1:36, Dave wrote:
[snip]
>
> I
highly doubt this is related, but given my recent experience with my VR4
> transfer case, I decided to change the fluid in my VW GTI transaxle as
well
[snip]
> So here I am thinking I'm going to be doing a good thing
by changing fluid,
> not to mention having the appropriate amount in
there.. well, everything
> is nice and smooth, except A) now I get
the "thud" when pressing in the
> clutch, and B) my second gear
syncro is being much more tempermental now..
> the other variable is that
I changed to a thicker viscosity (which of course
[snip]
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 4 09:34:37 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA06985
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:34:37 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
apollo.gat.com (apollo.gat.com [192.5.166.20])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id JAA06978
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:34:34 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from gat.com (middaugh@d3dws4.gat.com [192.73.62.26])
by
apollo.gat.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA13277
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:34:28 -0700
(PDT)
Message-ID: <37F8D712.235B211F@gat.com>
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999
09:34:26 -0700
From: Ken Middaugh
<Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Organization: General Atomics - Fusion
Group
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20
9000/735)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Best brake
fluid
References: <37F7C732.C0619672@netexp.com>
<02f901bdef2e$272df7e0$4a010bce@logikit>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I'm pretty
happy with Valvoline's new synthetic Dot 4 fluid. A large
(quart??)
bottle is about $4-$5 and you can get it at any chain auto
store. It has a
boiling point in the low to mid 500 degrees F. which is
close to the expensive
race fluids folks have mentioned.
I ran this at
a road course last March with no ill effects. I obviously was
braking
hard since I went through a fairly new set of Stillen Metal Matrix pads
in
1/2 a day and probably less than 50 track miles.
> > I plan on
changing my brake fluid in my 1993 R/T TT and wondered what
> > would
be the best to use. I don't race, just street driving and fast
>
> corners.
--
Drive faster, it is later than you think!
Ken
Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 4 09:48:29 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA07340
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:48:29 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail4.sirius.com (mail4.sirius.com [205.134.253.134])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id JAA07320
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:48:24 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from forrest (ppp-sfx202--084.sirius.net
[205.134.229.84])
by mail4.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id
JAA19118;
Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:48:21 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
<000801bf0e88$04dbfb90$54e586cd@forrest.sirius.com>
From: "Bob
Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Cc: "R.G."
<robby@swissonline.ch>, "Rich"
<rleroy@pacifier.com>,
"Mikael" <vr4@bahnhof.se>, "Jim"
<matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>,
"Darc" <wce@bc.sympatico.ca>, "Chris"
<cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: Team3S: Admin Notice: Team3S
List Experiencing delays...
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:46:27
-0700
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.2106.4
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
To All,
Our ISP's server is having some database problems
(which Sirius
assures me will be corrected momentarily), so some posts to the
list
are being delayed, and in one case, 'bounced'. Please
post
normally, and let me know (privately) if there are any problems
with
your message appearing on the list. (Don't forget, NO test
emails,
just legitimate posts). Sorry for the inconvenience, and thanks
for
your patience...
Regards,
Bob Forrest
Admin,
Team3S
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 4 10:10:11 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id KAA07725
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 10:10:11 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net
[207.217.121.49])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
KAA07718
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 10:10:09
-0700 (PDT)
Received: from earthlink.net (sdn-ar-002mnminnP282.dialsprint.net
[206.133.127.84])
by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id
KAA25812
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 10:10:03
-0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <37F899A0.30FEDE2E@earthlink.net>
Date: Mon,
04 Oct 1999 12:12:18 +0000
From: Francis Morice
<fas3@earthlink.net>
Reply-To: fas3@earthlink.net
X-Mailer: Mozilla
4.61 (Macintosh; U; PPC)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To:
Team3s <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Check engine
light
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii;
x-mac-type="54455854";
x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I have a
question regarding my check engine light coming on. I own a
96
RT/TT. I've had the pre-cats gutted about 2 months ago and I
just
recently put in a test pipe. Other mods so far are the HKS super
mega
flow filter, Magnacore wires, RPS TCC, and a bleeder valve set
at
13.5-14psi. The check engine light came on Saturday and I reset the
ECU
that day and it has stayed off so far. My question is, is this
going to
be recurring thing with the check engine light? Is there
something I
can do to avoid this happening, besides putting the cat back
on?
Thanks,
Francis
96RT/TT
13.13@104.87
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 4 10:26:36 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id KAA08082
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 10:26:36 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
wichita.fn.net (root@wichita.fn.net [198.247.1.1])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id KAA08064
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 10:26:31 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from feist.com (fsict-tc4-25.fn.net [198.247.5.175])
by
wichita.fn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01338;
Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:26:21
-0500 (CDT)
Message-ID: <37F8E369.4B78177B@feist.com>
Date: Mon, 04
Oct 1999 12:27:05 -0500
From: Trevor James
<trevorlj@feist.com>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To:
fas3@earthlink.net
CC: Team3s
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Check engine
light
References: <37F899A0.30FEDE2E@earthlink.net>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I have these
things called O2 sensor simulators for my car. They're little boxes that
kick
out the right voltage for the post-cat O2 sensors. They trick the computer
into
thinking the pre-cats are there and still working properly. I
haven't installed them
yet so I'm not sure if they'll work. I know they work
with 96+ Vettes/F-Bodies. I have
heard of alot of people with OBDII and
gutted pre-cats who never have any problems
though.
Also what color is
your 96? Does it have 18"s? When wasit built (It's on the door
jamb
sticker)?
Trevor
96 Firestorm Red R/T TT 12.68@111.4 0-60 4.14
Gtech (HKS EVC IV@1.00 Bar, Plugs@.034",
Borla, K&N FIPK)
92 GMC
Typhoon 14.10@97.4 0-60 in 5.34 Gtech
Francis Morice wrote:
> I
have a question regarding my check engine light coming on. I own a
96
> RT/TT. I've had the pre-cats gutted about 2 months ago and I
just
> recently put in a test pipe. Other mods so far are the HKS
super mega
> flow filter, Magnacore wires, RPS TCC, and a bleeder valve
set at
> 13.5-14psi. The check engine light came on Saturday and I
reset the ECU
> that day and it has stayed off so far. My question
is, is this going to
> be recurring thing with the check engine
light? Is there something I
> can do to avoid this happening,
besides putting the cat back on?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
Francis
> 96RT/TT
> 13.13@104.87
>
> For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Mon Oct 4 11:47:31 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
LAA09377
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:47:31 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from refuge.Colorado.EDU (root@refuge.Colorado.EDU
[128.138.196.2])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
LAA09370
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:47:28
-0700 (PDT)
Received: from refuge.colorado.edu (demon.Colorado.EDU
[128.138.196.115])
by refuge.Colorado.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/UnixOps+Hesiod (PDH))
with ESMTP id MAA23632;
Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:47:18 -0600 (MDT)
Message-ID:
<37F8F63F.E9767FA3@refuge.colorado.edu>
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 12:47:27
-0600
From: Dave <monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
X-Mailer: Mozilla
4.5 [en] (Win95; U)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Dennis
Moore <stealth@quixnet.net>
CC:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: tranny fluid (was: clutch
engagement & disengagement)
References:
<199910041457.KAA08501@smtp5.quixnet.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Dennis Moore
wrote:
>
> What did you change your fluid to? OEM, Redline,
other?
>
> On 4 Oct 99, at 1:36, Dave wrote:
> [snip]
>
>
> > I highly doubt this is related, but given my recent experience
with my VR4
> > transfer case, I decided to change the fluid in my VW
GTI transaxle as well
> [snip]
> > So here I am thinking I'm
going to be doing a good thing by changing fluid,
> > not to mention
having the appropriate amount in there.. well, everything
> > is
nice and smooth, except A) now I get the "thud" when pressing in
the
> > clutch, and B) my second gear syncro is being much more
tempermental now..
> > the other variable is that I changed to a
thicker viscosity (which of course
> [snip]
> For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
Valvoline dino.. mostly
because that transaxle doesn't get too much abuse
and I didn't think Redline
or other "exotic" $$$ fluids would make any
noticeable
difference.. on the other hand.. sigh.. I may try an 80W in it
next weekend..
Since I don't know where to get Redline locally
(Boulder/Denver area), what
do you all think of the Mobil 1 gear oil?
I swear I remember someone
commenting about it a few months ago, but my
searches in the archives haven't
found anything..
Dave
95 Black
(currently 2WD) VR4
87 Mica Red GTI (always been 2WD) G60
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 4 13:45:58 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id NAA10685
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:45:58 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mailgate.strategy.com (mailgate.strategy.com [199.173.152.28])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id NAA10668
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:45:53 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by mailgate.strategy.com with Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2650.21)
id <4HWXC487>; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:45:17
-0400
Message-ID:
<A1F8AFB0F9ECD211BDCD0090274E7093014227B5@was-exch-hq3.strategy.com>
From:
"Fein, Edward" <efein@microstrategy.com>
To:
"'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: T-Belt
Warning
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:45:19 -0400
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
A quick
notification and word of warning for folks out there:
On Friday night my
timing belt tensioner failed on my '94 VR-4. The belt had
been changed less
than 10,000 miles ago by the now-defunct Nexus
Motorsports. The failure was
caused by improper installation of the
tensioner.
Given the bad
installation on my car, I was extremely lucky: First, on
Friday, my
completely slack timing belt made enough of a racket slapping
against the
plastic belt covers that we were able to find and diagnose the
problem, and
(thanks to Lorne Silkes) I got my car flatbedded home before it
skipped any
teeth and wrecked my engine. Second, thanks to TurboHarry, I
found a
cartified master mechanic willing to come by my house on Saturday
and replace
the tensioner and water pump (which had been damaged in the
process). This is
how we discovered that my tensioner pulley had been
under-torqued and the
alignment cam misaligned by Nexus.
I know Nexus changed a number of
timing belts in the last year. Since their
customer service was excellent but
their mechanical experience relatively
light, I believe the improper
installation was likely the result of an
honest mistake rather than
carelessness on their part. Unfortunately, this
means the mistake may have
been repeated on the other cars whose timing
belts were changed there. And as
they are now out of business, they will not
be able to honor any warranty on
their timing belt installations.
Hence, if you had your timing belt
changed by Nexus Motorsports, it may be
worth your while to have the car
inspected for correct tensioner
installation, as tensioner failure can easily
lead to $4000 repair jobs.
On the good news side, the mechanic who
fixed my car, Glynn Meade,
demonstrated both excellent mechanical experience
with our cars *and*
excellent customer service / care for the job - a
combination I have found
to be extremely rare. He is located in Rhode Island,
phone number
(401)-738-9947. He not only made a house call for me on Saturday
north of
Boston, but his charge for both parts and labor was extremely
reasonable.
-Ed
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Mon Oct 4 18:25:51 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
SAA14573
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:25:51 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from wichita.fn.net (root@wichita.fn.net [198.247.1.1])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id SAA14566
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:25:43 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from feist.com (fsict-tc22-178.fn.net [198.247.9.228])
by
wichita.fn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02665;
Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:25:40
-0500 (CDT)
Message-ID: <37F953C0.7F97D5BC@feist.com>
Date: Mon, 04
Oct 1999 20:26:24 -0500
From: Trevor James
<trevorlj@feist.com>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: stealth@starnet.net,
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com, syty@syty.org
Subject: Team3S: HKS's Tech
Number and question on EVC IV..
References:
<A1F8AFB0F9ECD211BDCD0090274E7093014227B6@was-exch-hq3.strategy.com>
<37F9194C.43F4AC90@mhtc.net>
<37F93920.4433C725@home.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Anyone know if
there's a way to tell for sure if an EVC IV is in "Auto
Adjust"
mode. Didn't think anyone would! Does anyone have HKS's Tech
Number or e-mail
address. They have NO contact info on their web
site.
Trevor
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 4 20:02:41 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id UAA16027
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:02:41 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
burgoyne.com (burgoyne.com [209.197.0.8])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id UAA16019
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:02:26 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from p9u2n5 (ip147.redrock.net [209.197.11.147])
by
burgoyne.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA13182
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:02:14
-0600
Message-ID: <000a01bf0edd$8cc2c840$930bc5d1@p9u2n5>
From:
"CEskelsen" <cesk@redrock.net>
To: "3000 list"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Hallman Bleeder Valve
mod
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:58:48 -0600
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
multipart/alternative;
boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF0EAB.413D5C00"
X-Priority:
3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express
5.00.2014.211
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2014.211
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
This is a multi-part message in MIME
format.
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF0EAB.413D5C00
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
quoted-printable
Evening all,
Just received my
Hallman bleeder valve from Burschur racing. I'd =
like to install it
this weekend but have one question. The setup is =
simple enough, but
calls for the valve to essentially replace the stock =
solenoid. The
manual shows one vac line out of the manifold AND one vac =
line out of the
Y-pipe connecting to the H connector. Should I cap the =
Y pipe outlet
leading to the H or the cap the line from the manifold? =
After that,
I'll just tee the actuator lines on the bled side. Any =
opinion is
greatly appreciated.
Cory
96 R/T
TT
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF0EAB.413D5C00
Content-Type:
text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
quoted-printable
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0
Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META
content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1"
=
http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
<META content=3D"MSHTML
5.00.2014.210"
name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY
bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Zurich
BT">Evening
all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> Just
received my Hallman bleeder valve from =
Burschur=20
racing. I'd
like to install it this weekend but have one =
question. =20
The
setup is simple enough, but calls for the valve to essentially =
replace
the=20
stock solenoid. The manual shows one vac line out of the
manifold =
AND one=20
vac line out of the Y-pipe connecting to the H
connector. Should I =
cap the=20
Y pipe outlet leading to the H
or the cap the line from the =
manifold? =20
After that, I'll
just tee the actuator lines on the bled side. Any
=
opinion=20
is greatly
appreciated.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Cory</DIV>
<DIV><FONT
face=3D"Zurich BT">96 R/T
TT</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF0EAB.413D5C00--
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 5 01:40:38 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id BAA18980
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:40:38 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.swissonline.ch (mail.swissonline.ch [62.2.32.83])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id BAA18973
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:40:34 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from swissonline.ch (unk-131-135-126.peoplesoft.com
[216.131.135.126] (may be forged))
by mail.swissonline.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with
ESMTP id KAA26384
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999
10:40:19 +0200 (MET DST)
Message-ID:
<37F9B99D.BF7147FE@swissonline.ch>
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 10:41:01
+0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Organization:
Peoplesoft Switzerland / Office
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: 3000 list
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Hallman Bleeder
Valve mod
References:
<000a01bf0edd$8cc2c840$930bc5d1@p9u2n5>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> but calls
for the valve to essentially replace the stock solenoid.
I do not
recommend this as you'll see less performance then.
> The manual shows
one vac line out of the manifold AND one vac line out of the
> Y-pipe
connecting to the H connector.
Usually, a bleeder valve simply bleeds
pressure to the air. The Hallman design
may need another feeder line to close
the valve when boost rises. What manual
are you refering to and do oyu say
that BOTH lines lead to the H connector ?
> Should I cap the Y pipe
outlet leading to the H or the cap the line from the
> manifold?
After that, I'll just tee the actuator lines on the bled side.
And why
should any of them be capped ? Makes no sense to me :)
Also don't forget
a good boost gauge ! The Hallman bleeder is not that fast and
may cause
overboost that cannot be seen by the stock gauge. This is maybe why
they say
to remove the stock boost solenoid ...
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 5 02:05:26 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id CAA19415
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 02:05:26 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.swissonline.ch (mail.swissonline.ch [62.2.32.83])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id CAA19399
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 02:05:21 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from swissonline.ch (unk-131-135-126.peoplesoft.com
[216.131.135.126] (may be forged))
by mail.swissonline.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with
ESMTP id LAA19702
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999
11:04:59 +0200 (MET DST)
Message-ID:
<37F9BF64.6398919E@swissonline.ch>
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 11:05:40
+0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Organization:
Peoplesoft Switzerland / Office
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: 3000 list
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Stock boost gauge
warning (fuel cut)
References:
<000a01bf0edd$8cc2c840$930bc5d1@p9u2n5>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
For the most
cracks this is an old know issue but for some newbies a very
important one
:
The stock boost gauge does NOT measure any pressure in the manifold !
The more
it is a voltage sent my the ECU that is calculated upon air flow and
the
injector opening time. With the stock system, the thing is accurate and
works
well even with some mods. But it is slow, damn slow and doesnt show any
peak
values that may occur in an overboost situation.
Now, if someone
increases boost over 1 bar we know he's running in danger of
fuel cut. This
is initiated either by knock or a too high calculated value out
of the
variables. Here, the altitude may play a rule as well as the dense of
the
air. This is also the cause why some see a higher boost on the meter as
it
really is.
The problem increases even more with a fuel controller
as this device alters the
air flow frequency sent to the ECU and therefore
the ting calculates a wrong
boost ! With my current system I see a difference
if 3 psi ! Now, if one thinks
that a fuel controller is helping to get rid of
the fuel cut is WRONG ! If you
still have the stock fuel system and just want
to richen the top end to be able
to run more boost, will run into fuel cut
EARLIER ! This, because the calculated
value is too high and the ECU thinks
that there is something really wrong.
Therefore, the only good way when
increasing boost is to install an aftermarket
boost meter. Also, the only way
to get rid of the fuel cut is to install larger
injectors together with a
fuel controller.
Happy boosting,
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 5 07:16:36 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id HAA21307
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:16:36 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id HAA21283
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:16:18 -0700
(PDT)
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
Received: from TurboDrvn@aol.com
by
imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id uARVa12734 (3702)
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:15:43 -0400
(EDT)
Message-ID: <689c13b6.252b620e@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999
10:15:42 EDT
Subject: Team3S: No Boost !! Also low rpm Smoke
(sorry, long post)
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer:
Windows AOL sub 44
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hi
all,
Well, things were going great with all my upgrades
BUT now something has
happened with my boost situation. I was on my
way to the rescheduled NOPI
drag wars this past Saturday October 2nd.
On my way, a Corvette ZR-1 was
tailing me real Closely; so I thought that I
should have some fun before I
got to the track (and gave me a chance to also
fine tune my boost controller,
fuel controller & monitor my
EGT's). And I figured to rest the car when I
finally arrived at the
track to race.
I floored the gas pedal and started pulling
on the ZR-1 w/ WOT (Wide Open
Throttle); then I would let off on the gas and
let him catch up; we smiled at
each other and we confirmed our appreciation
of each other's Super cars. So
we continued this high speed freeway
game for about 10 minutes which allowed
me to monitor all my readings
(boost, EGT, Super AFC, etc.); All of a Sudden
after WOT and letting off on
the gas pedal and getting back to flooring it
again, I HAD NO
BOOST!!!!! ARGHHHHHHHHHHHh.......I don't believe
this!!!!
So I figured I blew a hose somewhere (even though
I did NOT hear anything
pop) & pulled over on the shoulder of the
freeway to check everything out!
But I never heard a
"popping" sound from a possible blown y-pipe??? I found
nothing wrong!! All hoses/clamps were tight! Checked the
bottom of the car
by the front intercoolers as well.
I
continued to the track (since I was only 15 minutes away) and the car
ran
smoothly!!!! Like driving a NON-Turbo car. I arrived at the
track and
with the assistance of Jack Tertadian (Thanks again, Jack!!)
we checked
everything out and could not find anything wrong either; we must
have spent
30-45 minutes trying to find a loose hose. So I am really
depressed at this
point since I was unable to race and was looking forward
to some mid 12 sec.
(or faster) runs. I went back home and
double checked everything again.
My buddy at the
Mitsubishi dealership tried to help me out yesterday; We
checked everything
out again; We checked all of the following on my
car:
- Apex'i Sequential Blow off
Valve to see if it was stuck open (it
was fine)
- All
hoses for cracks or if they are loose (they are fine - besides the
car
would run rough if one of the hoses were
cracked or loose)
-Checked both turbos' wastegate
actuators to see if they were stuck open
(they were fine)
-Checked spark plug's condition (nothing wrong)
-The front
turbo is fine; we were able to freely spin the turbine fins
and there
was no play within the bearings. (So
IF the rear turbo is
problematic; I
should be able to
get some minimal boost with the
healthy front turbo but that's
not the case - I actually have NO
BOOST!!!!)
-If my GReddy Profec B boost controller was
faulty; I would still get
some
minimal boost - so the boost controller should be fine.
-I
definitely have vacuum; but no boost; Cannot get past 0 psi.
My buddy
(mechanic at Mitsubishi) promised to read up on the manual to figure
out
what else may be wrong that we may have missed to check.
We also observed
another problem that we believe is NOT related; I have smoke
coming out of
my exhaust pipes (definitely oil burning although the color is
very light
but definitely NOT antifreeze); smokes only at low RPM's and only
after the
car gets hot; most evident when car comes to a stop or standing
still/
bumper to bumper traffic jams......periodic smoke....I was thinking
maybe my
Super AFC is set too rich which may be causing all this smoke at
lower
RPM's????? NO smoke at higher RPM's observed.
Any
advice/recommendations would be appreciated; Thank you!
Ahmed
"AL-Crazy" - '92 VR4 (too many mods to list)
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 5 07:29:31 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id HAA21837
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:29:31 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
largo.eecs.tufts.edu ([192.138.177.99])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id HAA21830
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:29:26 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from andante.eecs.tufts.edu (andante [192.138.177.24])
by
largo.eecs.tufts.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA16686
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:29:15 -0400
(EDT)
Received: from localhost (mbaldwin@localhost)
by
andante.eecs.tufts.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA24250
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:29:24 -0400
(EDT)
X-Authentication-Warning: andante.eecs.tufts.edu: mbaldwin owned
process doing -bs
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:29:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mike
Baldwin <mbaldwin@eecs.tufts.edu>
X-Sender: mbaldwin@andante
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Stock boost on 97
VR4
In-Reply-To: <199910031756.KAA23562@list.sirius.com>
Message-ID:
<Pine.GSO.4.05.9910051028510.15002-100000@andante>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Can someone let
me know what the stock boost is on these babies? Also when
can I find the
specs for the car - are they in the owner's manual? Looking
for stock tire
size, etc.
mb
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt
Tue Oct 5 07:46:24 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id HAA22104
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:46:24 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
largo.eecs.tufts.edu ([192.138.177.99])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id HAA22097
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:46:21 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from andante.eecs.tufts.edu (andante [192.138.177.24])
by
largo.eecs.tufts.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA17290;
Tue, 5 Oct 1999
10:46:03 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from localhost (mbaldwin@localhost)
by
andante.eecs.tufts.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA25933;
Tue, 5 Oct 1999
10:46:12 -0400 (EDT)
X-Authentication-Warning: andante.eecs.tufts.edu:
mbaldwin owned process doing -bs
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:46:12 -0400
(EDT)
From: Mike Baldwin <mbaldwin@eecs.tufts.edu>
X-Sender:
mbaldwin@andante
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
cc:
monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU
Subject: Team3S: Transfer case/Safety recalls
for 97 VR4/Fubar!?
In-Reply-To:
<199910031756.KAA23562@list.sirius.com>
Message-ID:
<Pine.GSO.4.05.9910051044130.15002-100000@andante>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Are there any
safety recalls for the 97 VR4? I looked at the recalls page,
and didn't find
anything, but all this talk has got me worried. I'm going
to do my hi-speed
run soon!
mb
PS What does Fubar mean?
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 5 07:54:54 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id HAA22262
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:54:54 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id HAA22255
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:54:51 -0700
(PDT)
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
Received: from TurboDrvn@aol.com
by
imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 8UHVa03529 (3702);
Tue, 5 Oct 1999
10:54:21 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <63bc6a41.252b6b1d@aol.com>
Date:
Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:54:21 EDT
Subject: Re: Team3S: No Boost !!
Also low rpm Smoke (sorry, long post)
To: MLandis@casham.com,
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer:
Windows AOL sub 44
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
In a message
dated 10/5/99 9:49:01 AM Central Daylight Time,
MLandis@casham.com
writes:
<< While no clues about your boost problem, my '92 SL (na)
was exhibiting
identical "smoke" behaviour prior to the unscheduled
(water pump seized,
etc., etc., etc.) overhaul I recently performed.
Would smoke like crazy
after sitting at a long light, train crossing, slow
fast-food drive-thru,
etc., but no smoke at driving speed. I'm pretty
sure that my problem was
caused by worn valve seals. Shortly before a
couple of oil changes, I'd add
a quart of ATF, and the smoking would go away.
(The dipstick was reading 1
qt low - this was my first clue.) ATF
causes the rubber seals to swell
some, thereby ending the blowby and
smoking. You don't want to run ATF for
extended periods, but for a one
or two day test under mild driving
conditions (you do remember those, don't
you? ;-) ) it would probably be
OK. Ask your mechanic buddy for
further counsel on this. How many miles on
the car? Any idea if
running higher boost accelerates valve seal wear?
Replacing the valve seals
should not be a real big deal if this is your
problem - and certainly easier
than rings and valves...
Anyway, wish you luck with all that ails
you.
Michael >>
Thanks, Michael......My buddy and I already
thought about that it may be the
valve stem seals; and now you have
confirmed it for me.....I will try your
suggestions.....truly appreciate
your advice. Thanks....Ahmed.
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Tue Oct 5 07:59:24 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
HAA22446
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:59:24 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from sunny.bahnhof.se (sunny.bahnhof.se [193.44.91.1])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id HAA22431
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:59:18 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mikaela ([193.15.159.1])
by sunny.bahnhof.se
(8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA21349;
Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:59:09 +0200 (MET
DST)
Message-ID:
<004201bf0f42$907973c0$e20aa8c0@internal.corechange.se>
From:
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?= <vr4@bahnhof.se>
To:
<TurboDrvn@aol.com>, <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<689c13b6.252b620e@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: No Boost
!! Also low rpm Smoke
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:01:54
+0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211
X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2014.211
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Hi
Sometimes when I overboosted (before water
injection) my Celica GT-4 the
ECU jumped into some safety program and the car
didn't produce any boost at
all. The interesting thing is that the ECU
controlled both boost and fuel so
the car ran super rich (smoked) and
produced 0 psi boost. The solution was
to disconnect the battery and just let
it sit for 10 minutes, after that
everything was back to normal.
Good
luck
Mikael Akesson http://www.3000gt.nu
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 5 08:12:07 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id IAA22652
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:12:07 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu
[136.142.185.10])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
IAA22645
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:12:00
-0700 (PDT)
Received: from geocities.com (ehdup-a1-8.rmt.net.pitt.edu
[136.142.20.18])
by
post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP
(8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2)
ID
<LAA15406@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu>;
Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:08:49 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
<37FA1387.75502C0B@geocities.com>
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 11:04:39
-0400
From: "John T. Christian"
<jczoom@geocities.com>
Reply-To: jczoom@iname.com
X-Mailer: Mozilla
4.05 [en] (Win95; U)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: TurboDrvn@aol.com
CC:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: No Boost !!
Also low rpm Smoke (sorry, long post)
References:
<689c13b6.252b620e@aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hi
Al,
)-:) You probably lost the little turbine wheel on the
hot side.
That's what happened to my rear turbo at Raod Atlanta last
Fall. The
wheel on the cool side would turn freely, but there was no
wheel on the
hot side. The front turbo was fine. I'll send you a
.jpg if I can find
it. If you install replacement turbos yourself, let
me know as I'm a
permanent member of the DIRTY FINGERNAILS CLUB.
You
can plug one of the hoses going into the 'Y" pipe and see if you
get
some boost and then plug the other and tru again. That will
tell you
which turbo is blown.
Be of good
cheer
John
TurboDrvn@aol.com wrote:
[snip]
> after WOT and
letting off on the gas pedal and getting back to flooring it
> again, I
HAD NO BOOST!!!!! ARGHHHHHHHHHHHh.......I don't believe
this!!!!
> -The front turbo is fine; we were able
to freely spin the turbine fins
> and there
was no play within the bearings. (So
IF the rear turbo is
> problematic; I
should be able to
get some minimal boost with the
> healthy front turbo but that's
not the case - I actually have NO
>
BOOST!!!!)
>
> Any advice/recommendations would be appreciated;
Thank you!
>
> Ahmed "AL-Crazy" - '92 VR4 (too many
mods to list)
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
--
JCZoooM 93 TT
12.46@109Mph Now with Porsche brakes
Email--->
JCZooM@iname.com
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/flats/4538
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 5 08:13:24 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id IAA22716
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:13:24 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id IAA22703
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:13:14 -0700
(PDT)
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
Received: from TurboDrvn@aol.com
by
imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id kNXWa04663 (3702);
Tue, 5 Oct 1999
11:12:18 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <50ce8bc5.252b6f52@aol.com>
Date:
Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:12:18 EDT
Subject: Re: Team3S: Stock boost on 97
VR4
To: mbaldwin@eecs.tufts.edu,
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer:
Windows AOL sub 44
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
In a message
dated 10/5/99 9:31:18 AM Central Daylight Time,
mbaldwin@eecs.tufts.edu
writes:
<< Can someone let me know what the stock boost is on these
babies? Also when
can I find the specs for the car - are they in the owner's
manual? Looking
for stock tire size, etc.
mb
>>
I believe stock psi boost level for '97 is 12psi. specs of
the car should be
in owner's manual and some maybe inside your door jam
area.....good luck......
Ahmed "AL-Crazy"
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 5 08:14:52 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id IAA22787
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:14:52 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.swissonline.ch (mail.swissonline.ch [62.2.32.83])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id IAA22779
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:13:58 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from swissonline.ch (unk-131-135-126.peoplesoft.com
[216.131.135.126] (may be forged))
by mail.swissonline.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with
ESMTP id RAA20267
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999
17:13:46 +0200 (MET DST)
Message-ID:
<37FA15CB.E26DC00E@swissonline.ch>
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 17:14:19
+0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Organization:
Peoplesoft Switzerland / Office
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: No Boost !!
Also low rpm Smoke (sorry, long post)
References:
<689c13b6.252b620e@aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Stupid question
: no boost, even nothing noticeable, or just not seen on the
meter
?
> -If my GReddy Profec B boost controller
was faulty; I would still get
>
some
minimal boost - so the boost controller should be fine.
Why not
disconnecting the boost controller hose that goes to the wastegates ?
Then do
an easy "max boost" run but not WOT. Just check if boost rises very
high
and do not overboost it it works.
> -I
definitely have vacuum; but no boost; Cannot get past 0 psi.
How much
vacuum at idle ?
> still/ bumper to bumper traffic jams......periodic
smoke....I was thinking
> maybe my Super AFC is set too rich which may be
causing all this smoke at
> lower RPM's????? NO smoke at higher
RPM's observed.
Yes, too rich ! What is your O2 sensor reading at WOT or
fast accellerating ?
> Any advice/recommendations would be
appreciated; Thank you!
- check O2 sensors
- check for losen throttle
cable
- check TPS voltage
- IDC% ?
- way too rich ???
Hope this
helps,
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt
Tue Oct 5 08:26:39 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id IAA22948
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:26:39 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id IAA22941
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:26:35 -0700
(PDT)
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
Received: from TurboDrvn@aol.com
by
imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id sNOMa04068 (3702);
Tue, 5 Oct 1999
11:25:40 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <67d45863.252b7273@aol.com>
Date:
Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:25:39 EDT
Subject: Re: Team3S: No Boost !!
Also low rpm Smoke (sorry, long post)
To: robby@swissonline.ch,
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer:
Windows AOL sub 44
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
In a message
dated 10/5/99 10:16:27 AM Central Daylight Time,
robby@swissonline.ch
writes:
<< Stupid question : no boost, even nothing noticeable, or
just not seen on
the
meter ?
> -If my
GReddy Profec B boost controller was faulty; I would still get
>
some
minimal boost - so the boost controller should be fine.
Why not
disconnecting the boost controller hose that goes to the wastegates ?
Then do
an easy "max boost" run but not WOT. Just check if boost rises very
high
and do not overboost it it
works.
> -I definitely have vacuum; but no
boost; Cannot get past 0 psi.
How much vacuum at idle ?
>
still/ bumper to bumper traffic jams......periodic smoke....I was
thinking
> maybe my Super AFC is set too rich which may be causing all
this smoke at
> lower RPM's????? NO smoke at higher RPM's
observed.
Yes, too rich ! What is your O2 sensor reading at WOT or fast
accellerating ?
> Any advice/recommendations would be appreciated;
Thank you!
- check O2 sensors
- check for losen throttle cable
-
check TPS voltage
- IDC% ?
- way too rich ???
Hope this
helps,
Roger
93'3000GT TT >>
Hello Roger.....not at all a
stupid question; I just simply do not get
anything above 0 psi on my
boost gauge; but I can hear the turbos trying to
spool up.....
Jack
Tertadian and I already tried disconnecting the hose on the boost
controller
for the wastegates; went for a test run to see if there was any
boost build
up -- NOTHING....still NO BOOST......
Vacuum at idle is about -20 psi
(somewhere around there); then when given a
little throttle....will climb to
0 psi......but nothing farther.
I will look into my O2 sensor readings to
check for richness.....haven't had
a chance yet.....
Thank
you.......
Ahmed.
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 5 08:27:18 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id IAA23008
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:27:18 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.swissonline.ch (mail.swissonline.ch [62.2.32.83])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id IAA23001
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:27:13 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from swissonline.ch (unk-131-135-126.peoplesoft.com
[216.131.135.126] (may be forged))
by mail.swissonline.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with
ESMTP id RAA03635
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999
17:27:08 +0200 (MET DST)
Message-ID:
<37FA18F2.D38C2710@swissonline.ch>
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 17:27:46
+0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Organization:
Peoplesoft Switzerland / Office
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: No Boost !!
Also low rpm Smoke
References: <689c13b6.252b620e@aol.com>
<004201bf0f42$907973c0$e20aa8c0@internal.corechange.se>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> Sometimes
when I overboosted (before water injection) my Celica GT-4 the
> ECU
jumped into some safety program and the car didn't produce any boost at
>
all.
Mikael is absolutely right and our cars do absolutely the same.
Although, first
you should run into fuel cut but with we do not know the mods
you have ;-)
> The interesting thing is that the ECU controlled both
boost and fuel so
> the car ran super rich (smoked) and produced 0 psi
boost. The solution was
> to disconnect the battery and just let it sit
for 10 minutes
Also our ECU sets the mixture to damn rich when this
situation occurs. Our ECU
then goes out of the emergency program if the
behaviour is back to normal over a
specific time. Also, the check engine
light goes on at this situation and clears
if the ECU is back on the good
side .... I know because I already went through
the whole procedure
:(
Good luck,
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Tue Oct 5 08:29:37 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
IAA23093
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:29:37 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from exchange1.bigcharts.com (exchange1.BigCharts.com
[206.146.143.5])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
IAA23086
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:29:30
-0700 (PDT)
Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
id <4BZPC8XK>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:33:18
-0500
Message-ID:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7589@EXCHANGE1>
From: Matt Jannusch
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To: 3000 list
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Hallman Bleeder
Valve mod
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:33:16 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="windows-1252"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> > but
calls for the valve to essentially replace the stock solenoid.
> I do not
recommend this as you'll see less performance then.
You want to replace
the stock solenoid with the Hallman connected (or any other boost controller for
that matter). The solenoid bleeds off boost pressure, you are better off
with that pressure going into the motor (no matter how insignificant it
is). The other thing you gain by getting rid of it, is you allow the
Hallman valve (or any other controller) to be the only thing controlling the
wastegates - so it can do its job a lot more precisely. If you leave the
solenoid hooked up you will actually induce boost spikes or waviness in the
boost level.
> > The manual shows one vac line out of the manifold
AND one
> > vac line out of the Y-pipe connecting to the H
connector.
>
> Usually, a bleeder valve simply bleeds pressure to
the air.
> The Hallman design may need another feeder line to close
the
> valve when boost rises. What manual are you refering to and
>
do oyu say that BOTH lines lead to the H connector ?
Hallman isn't a
bleeder valve - its a pressure restriction type valve. It has two hoses
and the valve in the middle - the input end goes to manifold pressure and the
other goes to the wastegate actuators.
> > Should I cap the Y pipe
outlet leading to the H or the cap
> > the line from the
manifold? After that, I'll just tee the
> > actuator lines on the
bled side.
> And why should any of them be capped ? Makes no sense to
me :)
Tee the main line going to the Hallman into the line that feeds the
compressor bypass valve. It should be the large hose coming off the top of
the throttle body towards the front (terminates on the CBV under the MAF).
Using this for the signal line is best because it will close the wastegates when
you let off the throttle. Cap off the old boost feed line on the
Y-pipe. Get rid of the H-connector and just put a 3-way Tee in there - one
hose to each wastegate hose and one from the Hallman. If your Hallman has
the small hose branching off the wastegate side, just tie wrap it to something
near the valve. This helps the wastegates close again after the valve
stops feeding the wastegates boost pressure. There's a restriction ring in
the hose, make sure that stays in there.
> Also don't forget a good
boost gauge ! The Hallman bleeder is
> not that fast and may cause
overboost that cannot be seen by
> the stock gauge. This is maybe
why they say to remove the
> stock boost solenoid ...
The idea that
the Hallman valve causes overboost is based on the incorrect assumption that it
is a bleeder-type valve. It is not. You should hit your boost target
dead-on and it should stay there until your turbos run out of flow at higher
RPM's. Roger is VERY correct in recommending a boost gauge though.
Don't even hook the Hallman up if you don't have an aftermarket gauge. If
the controller is set too high, you'll overboost big-time.
Here's a
crummy diagram, but it should help you figure out what I mean.
Tee to CBV
line--------[XXXX]-| <-
Hallman
||
||
To
air-------+|
||
||
To wastegates
Don't forget that the Hallman works in reverse of a bleeder
valve - turning out the screw makes less boost and turning it in makes more
boost.
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Tue Oct 5 08:41:33 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
IAA23210
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:41:33 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from dvn.com (devons2.dvn.com [206.41.136.98])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id IAA23203
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:41:30 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from DVNGATE-Message_Server by dvn.com
with
Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 05 Oct 1999 10:38:03 -0500
Message-Id:
<s7f9d50b.024@dvn.com>
X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2
Date: Tue, 05
Oct 1999 10:37:40 -0500
From: "Ryan Floyd"
<FloydR@dvn.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com,
robby@swissonline.ch
Subject: Re: Team3S: No Boost !! Also low
rpm Smoke
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=US-ASCII
Content-Disposition: inline
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
8bit
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.sirius.com
id IAA23204
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
To test and see if the ECU is the problem then just disconnect the
neg from the battery. That will solve the ECU question, I would still look
at the rear turbo as the source of the
problem.
MCSE/ASE
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 5 08:42:46 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id IAA23277
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:42:46 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.swissonline.ch (mail.swissonline.ch [62.2.32.83])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id IAA23265
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:42:41 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from swissonline.ch (unk-131-135-126.peoplesoft.com
[216.131.135.126] (may be forged))
by mail.swissonline.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with
ESMTP id RAA18263;
Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:42:32 +0200 (MET DST)
Message-ID:
<37FA1C85.758A9D@swissonline.ch>
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 17:43:01
+0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Organization:
Peoplesoft Switzerland / Office
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: TurboDrvn@aol.com
CC:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: No Boost !!
Also low rpm Smoke (sorry, long post)
References:
<67d45863.252b7273@aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> Hello
Roger.....not at all a stupid question; I just simply do not get
>
anything above 0 psi on my boost gauge; but I can hear the turbos trying
to
> spool up.....
Good sign to be able to hear the turbos
:)
> Jack Tertadian and I already tried disconnecting the hose on the
boost
> controller for the wastegates; went for a test run to see if there
was any
> boost build up -- NOTHING....still NO BOOST......
Umpf,
if there is NOTHING that controls the wastegates (i.e. staying closed)
and
you're not getting ANY boost .... but they spool up ??? Strange ! What
about a
clogged exhaust / pre-cat / fuel filter (nahh, would cause
hesitation)
> Vacuum at idle is about -20 psi (somewhere around
there); then when given a
> little throttle....will climb to 0
psi......but nothing farther.
Can you rev it up ? Checked the throttle
cable ?? Idle vaccum is good so far :)
> I will look into my O2 sensor
readings to check for richness.....haven't had
> a chance
yet.....
Let us know.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 5 08:56:44 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id IAA23572
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:56:44 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
smtp3.quixnet.net (smtp3.array3.laserlink.net [63.65.122.173])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id IAA23565
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:56:41 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mooredw.nswc.navy.mil (a038-175.crane.navy.mil
[164.227.38.175])
by smtp3.quixnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id
LAA10821
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:56:38
-0400 (EDT)
Message-Id:
<199910051556.LAA10821@smtp3.quixnet.net>
From: "Dennis
Moore" <stealth@quixnet.net>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:56:36
-0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain;
charset=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Transfer case/Safety recalls for 97 VR4/Fubar!?
References:
<199910031756.KAA23562@list.sirius.com>
In-reply-to:
<Pine.GSO.4.05.9910051044130.15002-100000@andante>
X-mailer: Pegasus
Mail for Win32 (v3.12)
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
FUBAR:
Fouled
(or similar-meaning word that begins with an
"F")
Up
Beyond
All
Repair (or "Recognition",
depending on context)
Also,
SNAFU:
Situation
Normal
All
Fouled (or similar-meaning word that
begins with an "F")
Up
On 5 Oct 99, at 10:46, Mike Baldwin
wrote:
>
> PS What does Fubar mean?
>
Dennis
Moore
stealth@quixnet.net
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 5 09:21:45 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA23973
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:21:45 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.swissonline.ch (mail.swissonline.ch [62.2.32.83])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id JAA23965
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:21:37 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from swissonline.ch (unk-131-135-126.peoplesoft.com
[216.131.135.126] (may be forged))
by mail.swissonline.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with
ESMTP id SAA25073;
Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:21:23 +0200 (MET DST)
Message-ID:
<37FA2592.FDB8A001@swissonline.ch>
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 18:21:38
+0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Organization:
Peoplesoft Switzerland / Office
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Matt Jannusch
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>
CC: 3000 list
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Hallman Bleeder
Valve mod
References:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7589@EXCHANGE1>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> Hallman
isn't a bleeder valve - its a pressure restriction type valve.
Big
<snip>
Good info, and I learnt some more stuff :)
> Tee
to CBV line--------[XXXX]-| <-
Hallman
>
||
>
||
>
To
air-------+|
>
||
>
||
>
To wastegates
What I currently don't understand is the "To air"
... doesn't this "bleed"
pressure/air out of the wastegate line
?
Later
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Tue Oct 5 10:14:35 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
KAA24953
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:14:35 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from exchange1.bigcharts.com (exchange1.BigCharts.com
[206.146.143.5])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
KAA24946
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:14:32
-0700 (PDT)
Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
id <4BZPC975>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:18:20
-0500
Message-ID:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F758A@EXCHANGE1>
From: Matt Jannusch
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To: 3000 list
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Hallman Bleeder
Valve mod
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:18:19 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="windows-1252"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> > Tee to
CBV line--------[XXXX]-| <- Hallman
>
>
||
>
>
||
>
> To
air-------+|
>
>
||
>
>
||
>
>
To wastegates
>
> What I currently don't understand is the "To
air" ... doesn't
> this "bleed" pressure/air out of the
wastegate line ?
Yes, it does bleed a very small amount out. The
hose is something like 1/16" hose and there is a brass restrictor plug in
there with a very small hole (maybe 1/32"). This is just to help
equalize pressure when the wastegate wants to close, similar to what the second
solenoid does in the Blitz DSBC. For comparison, the hose feeding the
wastegates is more like 1/4" line with no restriction to the
wastegates. The flow loss through the atmosphere line is very small in
comparison to what a "typical" bleeder valve does.
-Matt
'95
3000GT Spyder VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 5 10:45:27 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id KAA25751
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:45:27 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
wichita.fn.net (root@wichita.fn.net [198.247.1.1])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id KAA25744
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:45:22 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from feist.com (fsict-tc8-49.fn.net [198.247.6.149])
by
wichita.fn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18214;
Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:45:14
-0500 (CDT)
Message-ID: <37FA392E.2F1DF333@feist.com>
Date: Tue, 05
Oct 1999 12:45:18 -0500
From: Trevor James
<trevorlj@feist.com>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Mike Baldwin
<mbaldwin@eecs.tufts.edu>
CC:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Stock boost on 97
VR4
References:
<Pine.GSO.4.05.9910051028510.15002-100000@andante>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
12 psi. Specs
are in the manual.
Trevor
96 R/T TT
92 GMC Typhoon
Mike
Baldwin wrote:
> Can someone let me know what the stock boost is on
these babies? Also when
> can I find the specs for the car - are they in
the owner's manual? Looking
> for stock tire size, etc.
>
>
mb
>
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Tue Oct 5 11:38:43 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
LAA29986
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:38:43 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from wiesbaden.netsurf.de (nero.wiesbaden.netsurf.de
[194.163.168.140])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id
LAA29951
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:38:36
-0700 (PDT)
Received: from wiesbaden.netsurf.de by wiesbaden.netsurf.de with
esmtp
(Smail3.2.0.95 #28) id m11YZb3-001lfYC; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:45:57 +0100
(MET)
Message-ID: <37FA50C6.3E0E844B@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Date:
Tue, 05 Oct 1999 20:25:58 +0100
From: Matthews
<matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en,ja
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Team 3S Tech List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Stealth to Euro-Mitsu
dealer experience
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Today I took my
Stealth to a local Mitsu dealer to have them
investigate a
"swish-swish" sound I've been hearing from the left-front
wheel in
tight right-handers. Fearing wheel bearings or a worn CV-joint
(try
translating THAT!), it turns out the noise is caused by the tire
(and
sometimes the wheel, apparently) rubbing against the strut. They
tell
me the same is happening on the right front wheel as well, but to a
lesser
degree. Isn't that odd? These wheels are STOCK! The tire
size
is also stock, and while I'm aware that tire size can vary
among
manufacturers, the stock tires were also Michelins. Pretty
strange that
this sort of problem would appear at 74+k miles, and I'm not
quite sure
what to do about it. It isn't rubbing enough to cause any
damage, but I
don't like the noise (it's enough that I have lifter tick, bad
bearings
in an accessory, a squeaking sound when the engine is cold, the
infamous
hooting intake resonance (when the BOV is not installed),
noisy
right-rear brakes, a rattle in the driver's door when the window
is
rolled up too tight, and a squeaky driver's seat!).
I also got into a
debate with the service manager about the differences
between U.S. and
Euro-spec (for those of you who don't know, no Stealths
were ever officially
imported/sold in Europe, and of the 3000GT models,
only the VR-4 was sold
here). He told me that today they pulled my pads
and verified that the
Euro-spec pads do NOT fit my car, and he refused
to believe that the pads I
have on there now are from Roger's Euro-spec
car! ("well, the Swiss cars
must be different from the German cars!")
He also told me that he can
visually distinguish between the U.S. and
Euro-spec turbos... I thought 9B
and 13G used the same housing? Anyway,
the mechanics seem competent but
it will be a challenge to get them to
work on my car with Euro-spec parts if
the need ever comes up.
Is there any way to find out EXACTLY what the
differences are between
U.S. spec and Euro-spec VR-4/TT cars for each model
year? That would
sure make life a lot easier for those of us on this
side of the pond!
TIA...
--
Jim Matthews - Wiesbaden,
Germany
matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (64 Kbps
ISDN)
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews
*** 3000GT-Stealth
International (3Si) Member #0030
***
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews/stealth.html
Jet Black '94
Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension,
Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 72%
BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark
plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
Metal Matrix brake pads, custom braided
brake lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 168mph
G-Tech
Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 406 SAE
HP, 354 lb-ft torque
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 5 11:38:44 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id LAA29995
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:38:44 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
wiesbaden.netsurf.de (nero.wiesbaden.netsurf.de [194.163.168.140])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id LAA29977
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:38:40 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from wiesbaden.netsurf.de by wiesbaden.netsurf.de with
esmtp
(Smail3.2.0.95 #28) id m11YZb7-001lfbC; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:46:01 +0100
(MET)
Message-ID: <37FA54A0.4180A4CE@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Date:
Tue, 05 Oct 1999 20:42:24 +0100
From: Matthews
<matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en,ja
MIME-Version: 1.0
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: No Boost!! Also low RPM
smoke.
References: <67d45863.252b7273@aol.com>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
TurboDrvn@aol.com wrote:
>
> Roger Gerl wrote:
>
> << Stupid question : no boost, even nothing noticeable, or just
not seen on
> the
> meter ?
>
> Hello
Roger.....not at all a stupid question; I just simply do not get
>
anything above 0 psi on my boost gauge; but I can hear the turbos trying
to
> spool up.....
0 psi on the stock gauge, aftermarket gauge, or
both?
Remember that the stock gauge is showing you what the ECU _thinks_
is
happening in the manifold. If it is maxing out at 0, then I'm
thinking
Mikael is right about the ECU shutting you down. Have you
tried
following the procedure for resetting the ECU?
If the stock
gauge shows boost but the aftermarket gauge doesn't, then I
would think the
problem is more serious.
--
Jim Matthews - Wiesbaden,
Germany
matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (64 Kbps
ISDN)
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews
*** 3000GT-Stealth
International (3Si) Member #0030
***
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews/stealth.html
Jet Black '94
Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension,
Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 72%
BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark
plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
Metal Matrix brake pads, custom braided
brake lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 168mph
G-Tech
Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 406 SAE
HP, 354 lb-ft torque
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 5 11:52:15 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id LAA01747
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:52:15 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
exchange1.bigcharts.com (exchange1.BigCharts.com [206.146.143.5])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id LAA01740
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:52:10 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id
<4BZPDBA1>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:55:54 -0500
Message-ID:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7593@EXCHANGE1>
From: Matt Jannusch
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE:
Team3S: No Boost!! Also low RPM smoke.
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:55:49 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="windows-1252"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Bad stock
compressor bypass valve will also produce these symptoms. You didn't
mention if the stock one was still connected. It also needs a manifold
pressure source to hold the valve closed if it is in the
loop.
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Tue Oct 5 11:54:35 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
LAA01813
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:54:35 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id LAA01804
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:54:32 -0700
(PDT)
From: Aso8@aol.com
Received: from Aso8@aol.com
by
imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id uAVa009808 (7989);
Tue, 5 Oct 1999
14:54:07 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <5cd1e4f8.252ba34f@aol.com>
Date:
Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:54:07 EDT
Subject: Team3S: Englishtown Raceway
10/10
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com, stealth@starnet.net
CC:
Aso8@aol.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer:
Windows AOL sub 41
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Anyone going to
Englishtown this Sunday?
I'm going but without my car (frown).
Soon, very
soon...I won't have to say that.
Arty 91 VR-4
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Tue Oct 5 12:22:44 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
MAA02026
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:22:44 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from spool.webzone.net (mta@mail.webzone.net
[205.219.23.67])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
MAA02019
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:22:41
-0700 (PDT)
Received: from benson ([208.165.99.64]) by
spool.webzone.net
(post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-12689) with SMTP id
AAA6471
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:22:39 -0500
Message-ID:
<006c01bf0f62$55b80c40$10c9c9c9@benson>
From: "Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell" <benson@2015.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: upper stress
bars?
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:49:19 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Does anybody know of a company that makes an upper stress bar for
the
3000/stealths? I've checked the major web sites I know of, and I
also
checked with my local import performance shop, and can't find
anything.
They have sway-bars available, but no upper stress bar. Any
ideas?
thanks :)
Latufh fuh
U,
Benson
benson@2015.com
"-Do you ever have second
thoughts?
-When do I ever have first thoughts?"
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 5 12:34:22 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id MAA02135
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:34:22 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
exchange1.bigcharts.com (exchange1.BigCharts.com [206.146.143.5])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id MAA02128
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:34:18 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id
<4BZPDBHZ>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:38:05 -0500
Message-ID:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7595@EXCHANGE1>
From: Matt Jannusch
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE:
Team3S: upper stress bars?
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:37:56 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> Does
anybody know of a company that makes an upper stress bar for the
>
3000/stealths? I've checked the major web sites I know of, and I
also
> checked with my local import performance shop, and can't find
> anything.
> They have sway-bars available, but no upper stress
bar. Any ideas?
None available because there's nowhere to put them
under the hood.
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 5 13:32:00 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id NAA02973
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:32:00 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.swissonline.ch (mail.swissonline.ch [62.2.32.83])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id NAA02964
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:31:54 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from swissonline.ch (pop-zh-11-2-dialup-204.freesurf.ch
[194.230.197.204])
by mail.swissonline.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id
WAA11429
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:31:52
+0200 (MET DST)
Message-ID: <37FA5FC8.BB0CCCA@swissonline.ch>
Date:
Tue, 05 Oct 1999 22:30:00 +0200
From: "R.G."
<robby@swissonline.ch>
Reply-To: robby@swissonline.ch
Organization:
Behind the frontier
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-QXW0310a (Win98;
I)
X-Accept-Language: de, en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Team 3S Tech List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Stealth to
Euro-Mitsu dealer experience
References:
<37FA50C6.3E0E844B@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> it
turns out the noise is caused by the tire
> (and sometimes the wheel,
apparently) rubbing against the strut. They
> tell me the same is
happening on the right front wheel as well, but to a
> lesser
degree. Isn't that odd? These wheels are STOCK! The tire
size
> is also stock, and while I'm aware that tire size can vary
among
> manufacturers, the stock tires were also Michelins. Pretty
strange that
> this sort of problem would appear at 74+k miles, and I'm
not quite sure
> what to do about it.
The solution is easy ... do a
re-alignement (German: Einstellung der
Fahrwerksgeometrie) ! Over the many
miles and some driving and more I'm positive
the stuff should be realigned. I
had the same on the front after four years,
just before the heavy accident. I
changed the tires for the summer and noticed
the inside of the winter tires
heavily worn. They found the front alignement on
the drivers side pretty off
the settings. The rear were ok. For the alignement,
they should take the
figures from a 95'3000GT but it's the same for every
year
anyways.
> told me that today they pulled my pads and verified
that the Euro-spec pads
> do NOT fit my car, and he refused to believe
that the pads I have on there
> now are from Roger's Euro-spec car!
("well, the Swiss cars must be different
> from the German
cars!")
Hahahahaha. This was the front brake kit that is sold for DM
150.- at the lokal
Mitsubishi dealer we installed on your car. Even the
copper grease comes with a
Mitsu stamp on the package :)) Here we must know
that the dealer onyl asks Mitsu
for getting the pads for a specific year and
the package shows the diameter of
the rotors. Of course they do not fit and
therefore the dealer says NO. They
can't see the caliper is the same. Mitsu
here also learned on my car, haha.
> He also told me that he can
visually distinguish between the U.S. and
> Euro-spec turbos... I thought
9B and 13G used the same housing?
Yes, but there is a stamped number on
the housing where one digit is grinded and
replaced by another
digit.
> Is there any way to find out EXACTLY what the differences are
between
> U.S. spec and Euro-spec VR-4/TT cars for each model year?
That would
> sure make life a lot easier for those of us on this side of
the pond!
> TIA...
You know, there is no way but asking Mitsu USA
and Mitsu Europe but they have no
interest to talk with us about this. There
is absolutely no problem to identify
parts as just don't mention that you
have a Stealth. You'll get everything for a
3000GT (they even told me
synchros are available) but nothing for a Stealth.
See
you
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt
Tue Oct 5 13:32:09 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id NAA03005
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:32:09 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.swissonline.ch (mail.swissonline.ch [62.2.32.83])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id NAA02972
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:32:00 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from swissonline.ch (pop-zh-11-2-dialup-204.freesurf.ch
[194.230.197.204])
by mail.swissonline.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id
WAA11300
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:31:44
+0200 (MET DST)
Message-ID: <37FA554B.31A86797@swissonline.ch>
Date:
Tue, 05 Oct 1999 21:45:15 +0200
From: "R.G."
<robby@swissonline.ch>
Reply-To: robby@swissonline.ch
Organization:
Behind the frontier
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-QXW0310a (Win98;
I)
X-Accept-Language: de, en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: 3000 list
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Hallman Bleeder
Valve mod
References:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F758A@EXCHANGE1>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> > What I
currently don't understand is the "To air" ... doesn't
> >
this "bleed" pressure/air out of the wastegate line ?
>
>
Yes, it does bleed a very small amount out.
Ok, just wanted to know if
there is it is a bleeder system or not.
> This is just to help
equalize pressure when the wastegate wants to close,
> similar to
what the second solenoid does in the Blitz DSBC.
Well, then you have a
different DSBC solenoid box. On mine, both solenoids are
parallel and both
are doing the same. The output of the valves is a switching
type. When the
solenoid is closed the wastegate actuator lines bleed to the air
(both
solenoids). I discovered this when I cleaned all the oil out of it after
my
"problem" ;-/
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 5 13:38:20 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id NAA03178
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:38:20 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
exchange1.bigcharts.com (exchange1.BigCharts.com [206.146.143.5])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id NAA03171
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:38:15 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id
<4BZPDB5L>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:41:57 -0500
Message-ID:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F759D@EXCHANGE1>
From: Matt Jannusch
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To: 3000 list
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Hallman Bleeder
Valve mod
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:41:51 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="windows-1252"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> Well, then
you have a different DSBC solenoid box. On mine,
> both solenoids are
parallel and both are doing the same.
> The output of the valves is a
switching type. When the
> solenoid is closed the wastegate actuator lines
bleed to
> the air (both solenoids). I discovered this when I
>
cleaned all the oil out of it after my "problem" ;-/
I don't
have an DSBC, but it was explained to me that the second solenoid was for
releasing the pressure from the wastegate line so that the wastegate could close
again after the boost lowers. Maybe I'm thinking of a different controller
or I misunderstood. I have the HKS EVC IV, and have no idea exactly how
the black box on it works. I think we both understand what we mean
though. :-)
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 5 15:12:45 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id PAA04195
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:12:45 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
web601.yahoomail.com (web2001.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.201])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id PAA04188
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:12:41 -0700
(PDT)
Message-ID:
<19991005221256.14927.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com>
Received: from
[24.4.168.158] by web2001.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 05 Oct 1999 15:12:56 PDT
Date:
Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:12:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Kuo
<amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: upper stress bars?
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
No one makes the upper stress bar for our car.. yet..
Brian @
GTPro is working on a carbon fiber hood that
will fit a strut bar... but i
think i read in his past
3si post that he had a prototype out for a long
time
already.. but i can't confirm that..
Who makes sway bars?? is it
for a TT?? I would imagine
puttin a set on a TT whould be a big pain in the
a$$..
George
www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/8576/Intro.html
---
"Benson \"elmagoo\" Russell"
<benson@2015.com>
wrote:
> Does anybody know of a company that
makes an upper
> stress bar for the
> 3000/stealths? I've
checked the major web sites I
> know of, and I also
> checked with
my local import performance shop, and
> can't find anything.
> They
have sway-bars available, but no upper stress
> bar. Any
ideas?
>
> thanks :)
>
> Latufh fuh U,
>
Benson
> benson@2015.com
>
> "-Do you ever have second
thoughts?
> -When do I ever have first thoughts?"
>
>
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
>
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
=====
__________________________________________________
Do
You Yahoo!?
Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 5 15:32:03 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id PAA04514
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:32:03 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
spool.webzone.net (mta@mail.webzone.net [205.219.23.67])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id PAA04507
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:32:00 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from benson ([208.165.99.64]) by
spool.webzone.net
(post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-12689) with SMTP id
AAA29798
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:31:58 -0500
Message-ID:
<009d01bf0f7c$c7f75620$10c9c9c9@benson>
From: "Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell" <benson@2015.com>
To: "3000GT
Mailing" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
upper stress bars?
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:58:38 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
>Who makes sway bars?? is it for a TT?? I would
imagine
>puttin a set on a TT whould be a big pain in the a$$..
I'm
not sure of the company that makes 'em, but when I was talking with my
local
performance shop he said he can get them for the car (I didn't ask
the
manufacturer). I'll give him a call and see what he
says.
Latufh fuh U,
Benson
benson@2015.com
"-Do
you ever have second thoughts?
-When do I ever have first
thoughts?"
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 5 18:37:54 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id SAA07544
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:37:54 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id SAA07537
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:37:51 -0700
(PDT)
From: Yogourt@aol.com
Received: from Yogourt@aol.com
by
imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id uQHUa29121 (4261)
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:37:24 -0400
(EDT)
Message-ID: <0.1d03246c.252c01d4@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 5 Oct
1999 21:37:24 EDT
Subject: Team3S: Looking for a scrap yard
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: AOL
4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hi all,
I'm
looking for a set of precats that I can gut. I want to save my own.
Anyone
have any suggestions as to where to look. I tried East STreet but they
don't
have any and don't usually keep them.
Thanks,
Paul
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 5 18:41:06 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id SAA07691
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:41:06 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
pisces.tcg.sgi.net (pisces.tcg.sgi.net [209.166.160.37])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id SAA07684
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:41:03 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from oemcomputer
(dap-209-114-172-163.pm4-1.smds.cran.pa.stargate.net [209.114.172.163])
by
pisces.tcg.sgi.net (StarGate/4.0.24) with SMTP id VAA05565
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:40:59 -0400
(EDT)
Message-ID: <008501bf0f9b$cb04cc20$03000004@oemcomputer>
From:
"Edwin Shaw" <seawulf@sgi.net>
To: "Team 3S"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Air/Fuel
Meter
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:40:37 -0400
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
multipart/alternative;
boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0082_01BF0F7A.4309B680"
X-Priority:
3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express
5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
This is a multi-part message in MIME
format.
------=_NextPart_000_0082_01BF0F7A.4309B680
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
quoted-printable
I just purchased an Air/Fuel Meter from GTPRO, it is
made by spliut sec, =
I need to know where is the bvest place to get the
readings from the O2 =
sensors in my 98 3000GT SL (Automatic). Any
suggestion?
Edwin
------=_NextPart_000_0082_01BF0F7A.4309B680
Content-Type:
text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
quoted-printable
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0
Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META
content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1"
=
http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
<META content=3D"MSHTML
5.00.2314.1000"
name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY
bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I just purchased an
Air/Fuel Meter from GTPRO, it is =
made by=20
spliut sec, I need to know
where is the bvest place to get the readings =
from the=20
O2 sensors in
my 98 3000GT SL (Automatic). Any
suggestion?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2>Edwin</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
------=_NextPart_000_0082_01BF0F7A.4309B680--
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 5 18:49:17 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id SAA07903
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:49:17 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
is-callahan.gwl.com (firewall-user@is-callahan.gwl.com [143.199.125.10])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id SAA07896
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:49:13 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by is-callahan.gwl.com; id TAA21790; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:42:10
-0600
Received: from is-news(143.199.103.8) by is-callahan.gwl.com via smap
(V4.2)
id xma021787; Tue, 5 Oct 99 19:42:10 -0600
Received: from
is-edison.gwl.com (is-edison [143.199.99.14])
by is-news.gwl.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3/EMH1.5) with ESMTP id TAA14424
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:49:08 -0600
(MDT)
Received: from its-atlantis.gwl.com (its-atlantis
[143.199.102.180])
by is-edison.gwl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/ISC2.0L) with ESMTP id
TAA18328
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:49:08
-0600 (MDT)
Received: by its-atlantis.gwl.com with Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
id <4GBC4WG3>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:41:34
-0600
Message-ID:
<5AE3CECEB12CD3119E4B0090277AEFAC189FCC@its-atlantis.gwl.com>
From:
"Palamara, Peter" <pala@gwl.com>
To: Team 3S
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: wastegate
questions
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:41:24 -0600
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
This might be a
long shot but I wanted to try. Has anyone seen or know if
the greddy type-r
wastegate flange is the same as TIAL or anything alike???
92 3000
GTO S.C.
Soon to be exactly what the plates say :)
Plates (HIPRESR)
1-800-888-gwla x4733
http://members.xoom.com/palamarap
<http://members.xoom.com/palamarap>
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 5 22:59:52 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id WAA11486
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:59:52 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
out2.prserv.net (out2.prserv.net [165.87.194.229])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id WAA11473
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:59:49 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from attglobal.net (slip139-92-8-211.fr.de.ibm.net
[139.92.8.211])
by out2.prserv.net (/) with ESMTP id FAA110448
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 05:59:46
GMT
Message-ID: <37FAE2FC.8A5F7950@attglobal.net>
Date: Wed, 06 Oct
1999 07:49:48 +0200
From: Mike Chapleski
<mike.chapleski@attglobal.net>
Reply-To:
mike.chapleski@attglobal.net
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98;
U)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Team3S
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Bee-Racing
Products
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
I was looking at the Bee-Racing GTO in the
October issue of Turbo.
Does anyone know if they have a distributor in the
U.S. or Europe? I am
really interested in the exhaust manifold.
They really did a nice job
on it. I am not versed enough in turbos to
compare the HK$ ones they
installed to say, 17g's. Anyone know how they
compare? Also I cannot
tell but it does not look like they are using a
MAS. Either that or it
is under the
headlight.
Thanks,
Mike
0018
'95 Stealth RT TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 5 22:59:56 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id WAA11502
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:59:56 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
out2.prserv.net (out2.prserv.net [165.87.194.229])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id WAA11481
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:59:51 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from attglobal.net (slip139-92-8-211.fr.de.ibm.net
[139.92.8.211])
by out2.prserv.net (/) with ESMTP id FAA68484
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 05:59:49
GMT
Message-ID: <37FAE300.2C523C4@attglobal.net>
Date: Wed, 06 Oct
1999 07:49:52 +0200
From: Mike Chapleski
<mike.chapleski@attglobal.net>
Reply-To:
mike.chapleski@attglobal.net
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98;
U)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Team3S
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: EGT maximum
limits - Agree/disagree
References:
<32e4ee4d.25276d67@aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> *
EGT Temp Probe located in Rear Exhaust Manifold, prior to the turbo.
> Add
150F degrees if probe is after the turbo. 250F if probe in
>
downpipe/collector.
I have an APEXi EGT gauge mounted in the front
exhaust manifold about
two inches before
it mates to the turbo. I
also drive on the Autobahn for extended times
at 100+ speeds.
I have
sustained 975 for over 15 seconds before. If I am going over
100
mph and I
floor it my EGT's will always go above 925. The most I have
ever seen
was about 980-990
C. When I regapped my plugs all these
figures dropped about 25 C. So
right now if I am
going 120 mph on a
steep uphill in 5th with the DSBC set at 15 psi, I
will see at least
950
C. I have suspected that my probe may not be calibrated correctly,
but
how do you
test for 950 C? I have an Alamo downpipe, test pipe and
Borla
cat-back. The pre-cats
are intact and not clogged (at least
the front one). Plug gap is at
.034 right now.
After I installed the EGT I posted a similar question, and several
people
told me
that while they were high, they are normal.
Mike
C.
0018
'95 Stealth RT TT
>
>
> Celsius to
Fahrenheit conversion formula is as follows:
> Multiply Celsius degrees by
9 and divide by 5, then add 32.
>
> Stock motor &
pistons
> Celsius = Fahrenheit
> 950
= 1742 PISTON MELT DOWN EMINENT ! (short 1-2 sec
bursts)
> 925 = 1700 Getting
damn close
> 900 = 1652 About
the maximum limit - unless racing
> 875
= 1607 or less No problems...
>
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Tue Oct 5 23:47:56 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
XAA12017
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 23:47:56 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from smtp2.vnet.net (smtp2.vnet.net [166.82.1.32])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id XAA12010
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 23:47:53 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from RTR (pool-207-205-132-66.atln.grid.net
[207.205.132.66])
by smtp2.vnet.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id
CAA08392;
Wed, 6 Oct 1999 02:47:50 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
<013301bf0efd$4bc241c0$4284cdcf@vnet.net>
From: "Bob Rand"
<rtr@vnet.net>
To: <TurboDrvn@aol.com>,
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<689c13b6.252b620e@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: No Boost
!! Also low rpm Smoke (sorry, long post)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999
02:46:02 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Man, Sounds like a wastegate is stuck open. If you
can hear the turbos
spooling up it would seam that you would get some
preasure.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From:
<TurboDrvn@aol.com>
To: <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Sent:
Tuesday, October 05, 1999 10:15 AM
Subject: Team3S: No Boost !! Also low rpm
Smoke (sorry, long post)
> Hi all,
>
Well, things were going great with all my upgrades BUT now
something
has
> happened with my boost situation. I was on my way
to the rescheduled NOPI
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt
Wed Oct 6 00:18:19 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id AAA12192
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:18:19 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
sunny.bahnhof.se (sunny.bahnhof.se [193.44.91.1])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id AAA12185
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:18:15 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mikaela ([193.15.159.1])
by sunny.bahnhof.se
(8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA04520
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:18:12 +0200 (MET
DST)
Message-ID:
<015a01bf0fcb$58259920$e20aa8c0@internal.corechange.se>
From:
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?= <vr4@bahnhof.se>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<37FA50C6.3E0E844B@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Stealth
to Euro-Mitsu dealer experience
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:21:00
+0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2014.211
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Hi Jim
The German importer shall have a CDRom with all parts
and when they find the
part you are looking for they just enter your chassi
number and the software
provides the part number that fit your modell and
year. Ask someone in US
with a 95 3000gt if they can send you their chassi
number so you can use it
to find parts for your car.
The front brake
pads are the same, the rear Euro callipers are different
from the US version,
atleast on my 93.
/Mikael
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Wed Oct 6 00:43:35 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
AAA12358
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:43:35 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch
[194.158.230.44])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
AAA12350
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:43:31
-0700 (PDT)
Received: from RGERL012599 (216.131.135.126) by
newmail.spectraweb.ch; 6 Oct 1999 09:40:01 +0200
Message-ID:
<005001bf0fce$95b12f40$7e8783d8@RGERL012599_000.peoplesoft.com>
Reply-To:
"R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Looking for a
scrap yard
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:30:20 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3110.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
I got my rear pre-cat from an "internet salvage yard".
They offered it to me
for $250 and I talked them down to $100. It even came
with the 02 sensor
still in :) Sorry, can't remember the name but I found it
via the web
search.
Hope this helps,
Roger
93'3000GT
TT
>I'm looking for a set of precats that I can gut. I want to save my
own.
>Anyone have any suggestions as to where to look. I tried East STreet
but
they
>don't have any and don't usually keep them.
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 6 00:43:40 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id AAA12389
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:43:40 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id AAA12357
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:43:35 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from RGERL012599 (216.131.135.126) by newmail.spectraweb.ch;
6 Oct 1999 09:40:05 +0200
Message-ID:
<005101bf0fce$97af9750$7e8783d8@RGERL012599_000.peoplesoft.com>
Reply-To:
"R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "Edwin Shaw" <seawulf@sgi.net>,
"Team 3S" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Air/Fuel Meter
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:34:31 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3110.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Ed,
Call Brian at GTPRO for the proper information. Also I
think your 98 does
have four O2 sensors so you should tap into one of the
wires from the
sensors before the cats.
ADMIN Note : Please turn of
the HTML, as this may confuse the mailing list
server.
Thanks.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Wed Oct 6 00:43:45 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
AAA12415
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:43:45 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch
[194.158.230.44])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
AAA12378
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:43:38
-0700 (PDT)
Received: from RGERL012599 (216.131.135.126) by
newmail.spectraweb.ch; 6 Oct 1999 09:40:09 +0200
Message-ID:
<005201bf0fce$99c4e2c0$7e8783d8@RGERL012599_000.peoplesoft.com>
Reply-To:
"R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "Team 3S"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: wastegate
questions
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:35:54 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3110.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Peter, you may call or email Brian @ GT PRO as he's pretty familiar
with the
Greddy stuff.
ROger
93'3000GT TT
>This might
be a long shot but I wanted to try. Has anyone seen or know if
>the greddy
type-r wastegate flange is the same as TIAL or anything alike???
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 6 00:43:52 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id AAA12458
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:43:52 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id AAA12427
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:43:46 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from RGERL012599 (216.131.135.126) by newmail.spectraweb.ch;
6 Oct 1999 09:40:16 +0200
Message-ID:
<005301bf0fce$9e313d90$7e8783d8@RGERL012599_000.peoplesoft.com>
Reply-To:
"R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "Team3S"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Bee-Racing
Products
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:40:04 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3110.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
>I am really interested in the exhaust manifold. They
really did a nice job
>on it. I am not versed enough in turbos to
compare the HK$ ones they
>installed to say, 17g's. Anyone know how
they compare? Also I cannot
>tell but it does not look like they are
using a MAS. Either that or it
>is under the headlight.
I was
told that this is a custom made header design and nothing that will
be
produced in a larger series. Of course if we order 50 or so ....
They
installed three different turbos and the largest were comparable to 20Gs
but
dunno the others. For the fuel part I thought that they are using a
VPC
(i.e. no MAs nor MAF). Don't have the turbo mag (too much wrong stuff
in
there) so I can't see the pics.
Roger
93'3000GT
TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 6 00:43:59 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id AAA12506
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:43:59 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id AAA12459
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:43:51 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from RGERL012599 (216.131.135.126) by newmail.spectraweb.ch;
6 Oct 1999 09:40:22 +0200
Message-ID:
<005401bf0fce$a1c2efd0$7e8783d8@RGERL012599_000.peoplesoft.com>
Reply-To:
"R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Stealth to
Euro-Mitsu dealer experience
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:43:56
+0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3110.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
>Ask someone in US with a 95 3000gt if they can send you their
chassi number
so you can use it
>to find parts for your
car.
Good idea :)
>The front brake pads are the same, the rear
Euro callipers are different
>from the US version, atleast on my
93.
Jims Stealth and my 93'Euro 3000GT do have the same two-piston
calipers in
the rear. The rotor size is the same too in the
rear.
CU
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 6 03:34:42 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id DAA14052
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 03:34:42 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
pisces.tcg.sgi.net (pisces.tcg.sgi.net [209.166.160.37])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id DAA14045
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 03:34:39 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from oemcomputer
(dap-209-114-172-111.pm4-1.smds.cran.pa.stargate.net [209.114.172.111])
by
pisces.tcg.sgi.net (StarGate/4.0.24) with SMTP id GAA18782
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 06:34:36 -0400
(EDT)
Message-ID: <01b001bf0fe6$5113a580$03000004@oemcomputer>
From:
"Edwin Shaw" <seawulf@sgi.net>
To: "Team 3S"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Air/Fuel
Meter
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 06:34:05 -0400
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
I just purchased an Air/Fuel Meter from GTPRO, it is made by
split
sec, I need to know where is the best place to get the readings
from
the O2 sensors in my 98 3000GT SL (Automatic). Any
suggestion?
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 6 06:25:35 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id GAA15432
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 06:25:35 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mailwall.statoil.com (mailwall.statoil.com [193.212.68.101])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id GAA15425
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 06:25:31 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from statoil.no (mailhost.statoil.no [193.212.68.184])
by
mailwall.statoil.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA03068;
Wed, 6 Oct 1999
15:25:26 +0200 (MET DST)
Received: from stfo-lnsmtp.statoil.no
(stfo-lnsmtp.statoil.no [143.97.20.150])
by statoil.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with
SMTP id PAA27528;
Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:25:35 +0200 (MET DST)
Received: by
stfo-lnsmtp.statoil.no(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2
6-10-1998)) id 41256802.004FB900 ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:30:46
+0100
X-Lotus-FromDomain: STATOIL@INTERNET
From: "Robert Jerome
Mengler" <RMENGLER@statoil.com>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
cc: r4381576@earthlink.net, "Robert
Jerome Mengler" <RMENGLER@statoil.com>
Message-ID:
<41256802.004FB65E.00@stfo-lnsmtp.statoil.no>
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999
08:30:33 +0100
Subject: Team3S: 3000gt SL: 1st oil change,clutch,ECS,etc.:
Newbie Questions
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Disposition: inline
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hello
All,
Car in Question: Dark Green 1994 Mitsubishi 3000gt SL 5speed with
61,000
miles. As far as I know
everything is stock (had the car 2000
miles
so far).
I've been trying
to follow the Digest list as time permits but I am
behind
in my reading (like with
everything else). However, I did get
to
finally change my oil (I put about
45mi/day on my 1994 3000gt SL):
I am
very picky with my cars and have a few hangups with this
one
(other than the dent I noticed
someone prior to me buying the car
had
put in the door and if you look just so you can see it):
The oil change
was a breeze, I think I will go back to changing the
oil
filter every OTHER oil change like
the manual said and someone on
the list
or somewhere said (Filters seem to work optimally
when
slightly dirty for filtering
smaller particles): plus I can justify
the more expensive recommended Mitsubishi oil filters that way
and
have peace of mind. After
researching I decided to go with
Valvoline 20w-50wt (also, my brother used it in his
very
smooth-running 1983 Toyota
Supra with 160,000 miles on it without
any problems and he said I should probably stick to
non-synthetic
oil if the car hadn't had
synthetic oil in it: my car has
61,000
miles on it).
PROBLEM
1: The car seems a bit sluggish starting out now where it
didn't
before: outside temp may be
60-80degrees (Houston) when the car is
cold. After about 5 min. it seems OK and I was wondering if
anyone
else had this problem with 20wt
viscosity oil?
PROBLEM 2: or is it a problem?: Is it normal for all
front wheel drive
cars to feel this
way? This is hard to describe and I guess it
is
quite subtle but it feels kind of
like the car "bottoms out",
for
lack of a better word, when I go
over small bumps or for that
matter, am
just cruising along. I doubt I have a bad shock
or
anything and I doubt the struts would
go out so early (61000mi): I'm
thinking
this is just how the car rides, even if it were new.
PROBLEM3: I
have a huge problem with the stupid ECS button
(Electronic
Control Suspension):
who the heck needs it? The "Sport" ride
with
this button depressed is so spongy
with no bumps in the road and way
overkill when you do go over bumps and the car's rear seems to
lift
over larger bumps and give the
feeling of losing control of the
vehicle
before all wheels feel like they are on the ground:
I
personally do not feel safer or
sportier cornering (recall that
cornering is supposed to be improved with this button on) with
the
ECS on, so I usually leave it off
always: does it really improve
cornering??
Do you racers on the list keep the ECS on or
off???
PROBLEM 4: One time when I thought the car was in reverse it
apparently
was somewhere else and as I
let off the clutch at a complete stop
the car CLUNKED real LOUD and shook violently for a fraction of
a
second while it complained loudly
"CLUNK" which the neighbors
literally 4 houses down could have heard. I did it a couple
more
times because I couldn't believe my
ears and then I finally found
reverse
and ever since I have been careful to make sure I am
in
reverse: No offense VR4's
(because I wish I had one aside from the
transmission), but DO THESE 5-speed STANDARD TRANSMISSIONS HAVE
SOME
OF THE SAME PROBLEMS THAT THE
VR4 6-speed TRANSMISSIONS HAVE?
PROBLEM 5: The clutch
was replaced at 55,000 miles in Aug.1998. I
thought
maybe it was just that I needed
to get used to the feel of the
clutch
(do clutches take some time before they
are
less"grabby"/"sensitive"?): I bought an expensive car
for class and
I don't expect the car to
shift like a Mercedes but I really don't
want my girlfriend complaining that I am jerking her around
(pardon
the pun) or contributing to
spilling her drink: It always
shifts
into 4th or 5th gear very
smoothly so that I can omit all of the
"grabbing" feeling in those gears but first gear is the worst:
I
find shifting at 3000rpm in 1st and
2nd gears to the next gear up to
work
the best. But sometimes the car jerks like if you let off
the
clutch too fast. ALSO,
many times just in traffic and inching
up
when I am slowly creeping along
smoothly in 1st gear, maybe 3-5mph,
and
I try to accelerate as SLOWLY as possible, the car jerks:
this
also happens in 2nd
gear. I THINK IT IS BECAUSE THE GAS PEDAL
IS
TOO SENSITIVE/HARD, i.e. when I press
down initially on the gas the
pedal goes
down too far (maybe 1/4 inch?) unless I am SO careful
and
SLOW at accelerating: Maybe
there is a place to lube the gas pedal
(????) or I need to check the carpet around the pedal or
something
for
sticking???????????????? So maybe that part is not
clutch
related?????????? The
dealer told me to check the reservoir
where
for the clutch to make sure it is
full but I doubt it is low after
6000 miles: what fluid do you all use?
Thanks alot for ANY
input and sorry this is so long, please CUT and SNIP
on
all replies guys and
gals!!!!! Bob
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Wed Oct 6 08:28:41 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
IAA17314
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:28:41 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from spool.webzone.net (mta@mail.webzone.net
[205.219.23.67])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
IAA17307
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:28:36
-0700 (PDT)
Received: from benson ([208.165.99.64]) by
spool.webzone.net
(post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-12689) with SMTP id
AAA2155
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:24:17 -0500
Message-ID:
<00d801bf100a$32db1840$10c9c9c9@benson>
From: "Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell" <benson@2015.com>
To: "3000GT
Mailing" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Stealth to Euro-Mitsu dealer experience
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:49:55
-0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
>The German importer shall have a CDRom with all parts and when
they find
the
>part you are looking for they just enter your chassi
number and the
software
>provides the part number that fit your modell
and year. Ask someone in US
>with a 95 3000gt if they can send you their
chassi number so you can use it
>to find parts for your car.
I
have a base 1995 3000GT. If you can tell me where to look for the
chasis
number I'll see if I can find it (as long as it doesn't mean taking
the car
apart :).
Latufh fuh
U,
Benson
benson@2015.com
"-Do you ever have second
thoughts?
-When do I ever have first thoughts?"
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 6 08:58:36 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id IAA18040
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:58:36 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
spool.webzone.net (mta@mail.webzone.net [205.219.23.67])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id IAA18033
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:58:30 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from benson ([208.165.99.64]) by
spool.webzone.net
(post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-12689) with SMTP id
AAA1383
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:58:18 -0500
Message-ID:
<00d901bf100e$efcded20$10c9c9c9@benson>
From: "Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell" <benson@2015.com>
To: "3000GT
Mailing" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: 3000gt
SL: 1st oil change,clutch,ECS,etc.: Newbie Questions
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999
10:24:50 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
PROBLEM3: I have a huge problem with the stupid ECS button
(Electronic
Control Suspension):
who the heck needs it? The "Sport" ride
with
this button depressed is so spongy
with no bumps in the road and way
overkill when you do go over bumps and the car's rear seems to
lift
over larger bumps and give the
feeling of losing control of the
vehicle
before all wheels feel like they are on the ground:
I
personally do not feel safer or
sportier cornering (recall that
cornering is supposed to be improved with this button on) with
the
ECS on, so I usually leave it off
always: does it really improve
cornering??
Do you racers on the list keep the ECS on or
off???
-----------------------------------------------------
I have a
95 base 3000GT so I don't have the ECS, but I believe (and I'm not
100% sure,
but I'm sure that someone else on here can agree / disagree with
this :) that
if yer interested in making the car look better, getting the
car lowered will
basically get rid of it. I purchased a set of Eibach
springs and
lowered my car 1.3 inches. Looks a lot nicer, and the handling
is much
better than
before.
-----------------------------------------------------
PROBLEM
5: The clutch was replaced at 55,000 miles in Aug.1998. I
thought
maybe it was just that I needed
to get used to the feel of the
clutch
(do clutches take some time before they
are
less"grabby"/"sensitive"?): I bought an expensive car
for class and
I don't expect the car to
shift like a Mercedes but I really don't
want my girlfriend complaining that I am jerking her around
(pardon
the pun) or contributing to
spilling her drink: It always
shifts
into 4th or 5th gear very
smoothly so that I can omit all of the
"grabbing" feeling in those gears but first gear is the worst:
I
find shifting at 3000rpm in 1st and
2nd gears to the next gear up to
work
the best. But sometimes the car jerks like if you let off
the
clutch too fast. ALSO,
many times just in traffic and inching
up
when I am slowly creeping along
smoothly in 1st gear, maybe 3-5mph,
and
I try to accelerate as SLOWLY as possible, the car jerks:
this
also happens in 2nd
gear. I THINK IT IS BECAUSE THE GAS PEDAL
IS
TOO SENSITIVE/HARD, i.e. when I press
down initially on the gas the
pedal goes
down too far (maybe 1/4 inch?) unless I am SO careful
and
SLOW at accelerating: Maybe
there is a place to lube the gas pedal
(????) or I need to check the carpet around the pedal or
something
for
sticking???????????????? So maybe that part is not
clutch
related?????????? The
dealer told me to check the reservoir
where
for the clutch to make sure it is
full but I doubt it is low after
6000 miles: what fluid do you all
use?
---------------------------------------------------------
For me, and
I had the same with my '94 eclipse GS, the clutches on these
cars are very
unforgiving when it comes to getting a smooth ride and takes
some practice
and getting used to. Granted, once you do get it smooth, you
can pretty
much drive any stick and get it smooth :). Yer right about 1st
gear, if
yer going pretty slow with the clutch out, and then try to
accelerate, the
car will jerk a little. It's pretty much unless yer in
rush-hour
traffic (I'm originally from Chicago, so I know about that ;)p,
get into 2nd
to cruise at lower speeds of like 15 mph or above. If you just
need to
inch along, what I do is slowly let up on the clutch (in 1st),
giving it gas,
but not fully letting up on the clutch. I let 1st grab a bit
to get the
car rolling, and then put the clutch back in so I'm coasting.
This way when
traffic starts moving again I can accelerate properly from
first without it
jerking.
Yer also right about best shifting at 3000 rpm's, that's
basically the way
this car is really designed. I pretty much always try
to shift around
3000 - 3500 rpm's between gears when accelerating (as in just
normal
cruising). The only other thing I can think of that's helped me
smooth out
the ride when going through 1st and 2nd gear is to let the clutch
up nice
and slow to give it a smooth transition between gears (even after the
gear
engages, I take my time up on that clutch a bit, giving it a little
gas
because I've found if I just let up on it right there, the car jerks a
bit).
Also, while yer slowly letting up on the clutch, give it a little gas
all
the way through (not a bunch mind ya) so as yer letting it slowly
engage,
it's got the power it needs to get into the next gear without
jerking.
Again, my eclipse was VERY unforgiving on trying to get a smooth
ride, and
that's transitioned over to my 3000GT (although the 3000GT is much
easier
than my eclipse was, but it still can be unforgiving).
Also,
what did they replace the clutch with (aftermarket, or a
factory
clutch)? If it's an aftermarket clutch (like some kind of
performance
clutch), then that could be yer problem. Performance
clutches are made to
pretty much be on or off for quick and fast
engaging. So it'd be much
harder to drive one of those smoothly as
compared to a factory clutch.
I hope this email didn't come off as
belittling or anything of the like with
regards to the shifting stuff.
Don't mean to sound like a teacher or
anything, just sharing what I've found
works for me :).
Latufh fuh
U,
Benson
benson@2015.com
"-Do you ever have second
thoughts?
-When do I ever have first thoughts?"
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 6 09:14:19 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA18334
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:14:19 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
apollo.gat.com (apollo.gat.com [192.5.166.20])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id JAA18326
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:14:15 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from gat.com (middaugh@d3dtsa.gat.com
[192.150.242.240])
by apollo.gat.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id
JAA02220;
Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:14:07 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
<37FB754E.DFB0CCDF@gat.com>
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 09:14:06
-0700
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Organization:
General Atomics - Fusion Group
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; HP-UX
B.10.20 9000/730)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To:
Yogourt@aol.com
CC: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Looking for a scrap yard
References:
<0.1d03246c.252c01d4@aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hi
Paul,
> I'm looking for a set of precats that I can gut. I want to
save my own.
> Anyone have any suggestions as to where to look. I tried
East STreet but they
> don't have any and don't usually keep
them.
Here are a few junkyards that have shown up on the list in the
past.
M&S is located in Rancho Cordova near
Sacramento.
1-800-695-4700
http://www.msrecycling.com/main.html
Foster's
Auto Parts
10355 SE Foster Road
Portland, OR
(800) 547-4851
(800)
278-5548
East Street Automotive
810 East Street ( who'da thunkit? )
Memphis,
Tennersee 38104
phone: (901) 774-5374
fax:
(901) 774-5336
Good luck...
--
Drive faster, it is later than
you think!
Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San
Diego
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 6 09:19:37 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA18512
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:19:37 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
riven.plaza.ds.adp.com ([139.126.16.128])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id JAA18505
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:19:34 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from exchange04.plaza.ds.adp.com ([139.126.124.14]) by
riven.plaza.ds.adp.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA19859; Wed, 6 Oct 1999
09:19:43 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by exchange04.plaza.ds.adp.com with Internet
Mail Service (5.5.2232.9)
id <4B5ALT11>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:19:31
-0700
Message-ID:
<2B6D2E7F9E0AD311AB0500805FB7ECD00F40C9@exchange01.plaza.ds.adp.com>
From:
Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
To: "'Robert Jerome
Mengler'" <RMENGLER@statoil.com>
Cc: "'Team3S'"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: 3000gt SL: 1st
oil change,clutch,ECS,etc.: Newbie Que
stions
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999
09:19:01 -0700
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2232.9)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Robert...
Welcome. I think answers to some of your questions
are in the archives, but
I'll try to be brief with embedded <cjw -
response> comments. Enjoy!!!
Looking
forward...Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Jerome Mengler
[mailto:RMENGLER@statoil.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 12:31
AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Cc: r4381576@earthlink.net; Robert
Jerome Mengler
Subject: Team3S: 3000gt SL: 1st oil change,clutch,ECS,etc.:
Newbie
Questions
<snip>
The oil change was a breeze,
<snip> After researching I decided to go
with
Valvoline 20w-50wt (also, my
brother used it in his very
smooth-running 1983 Toyota Supra with 160,000 miles on it
without
any problems and he said I
should probably stick to non-synthetic
oil if the car hadn't had synthetic oil in it: my car has
61,000
miles on it).
PROBLEM
1: The car seems a bit sluggish starting out now where it
didn't
before: outside temp may be
60-80degrees (Houston) when the car is
cold. After about 5 min. it seems OK and I was wondering if
anyone
else had this problem with 20wt
viscosity oil?
<cjw - although I'm not a NA 3KGT owner, I use
synthetic oil in ALL my
vehicles, including NA ones I've bought with more
than 75K miles on them. I
do a flush and then change over. I'm currently
using Mobil One 15-50w in
four vehicles, ranging from 40K miles to 136K
miles. None of them started
their lives with synthetic, all are doing well.
Start up "sluggishness" is
eliminated. BTW...I used to use
Valvoline 20-50w Racing Oil in all my
hotrods, but that was before synthetic
oil was readily available.>
PROBLEM 2: or is it a problem?: Is
it normal for all front wheel drive
cars
to feel this way? This is hard to describe and I guess it
is
quite subtle but it feels kind of
like the car "bottoms out",
for
lack of a better word, when I go
over small bumps or for that
matter, am
just cruising along. I doubt I have a bad shock
or
anything and I doubt the struts would
go out so early (61000mi): I'm
thinking
this is just how the car rides, even if it were new.
<cjw - well, it
sounds like a potential problem to me, particularly when
combined with your
next issue. There is a DISTINCT difference (improvement)
in the handling and
associate stiffness with the ECS set in sport mode
(versus tour). I have
lowered progressive Eibach springs and still never
bottom out. This sounds
like a leaky strut. Have you checked for leakage?
BTW...I set the ECS on
sport mode when I drag race, whenever I plan on
breaking the 100mph
mark, and whenever I doing some hard cornering...even at
50 mph. Perhaps some
of the wiring is broken (they're very small wires and
prone to breaking at
the connector), so you might have a couple working and
a couple that don't
work. This would produce the "unbalance"
sensation.>
PROBLEM3: <snip> ECS on, so I usually
leave it off always: does it
really
improve
cornering?? Do you
racers on the list keep the ECS on or off???
PROBLEM 4:
<snip> No offense VR4's (because I wish I had one aside from
the
transmission), but DO THESE 5-speed
STANDARD TRANSMISSIONS HAVE SOME
OF THE
SAME PROBLEMS THAT THE VR4 6-speed TRANSMISSIONS
HAVE?
<cjw - Gee, I hope not. It's bad enough the Getrag is failure
prone. My 6
speed certainly is cranky about going into reverse. I usually
hold the
shifter at the gate and SLOWLY engage the clutch until it drops
into
reverse.>
PROBLEM 5: The clutch was replaced at
55,000 miles in Aug.1998. I thought
maybe it was just that I needed to get used to the feel of
the
clutch (do clutches take some time
before they are
less"grabby"/"sensitive"?): <snip> I THINK
IT IS BECAUSE THE GAS
PEDAL IS
TOO
SENSITIVE/HARD, i.e. when I press down initially on the gas
the
pedal goes down too far (maybe 1/4
inch?) unless I am SO careful and
SLOW
at accelerating: Maybe there is a place to lube the gas
pedal
(????) or I need to check the
carpet around the pedal or something
for
sticking???????????????? So maybe that part is not
clutch
related?????????? The
dealer told me to check the reservoir
where
for the clutch to make sure it is
full but I doubt it is low after
6000 miles: what fluid do you all use?
<cjw - Your car should
shift better than a Mercedes. Yes, check the
reservoir. Was the clutch
replaced with a stock clutch? Or aftermarket?
Hopefully, all components
(disc, pressure plate, throwout bearing) and a
resurface on the flywheel was
done at the same time. Otherwise, you're
headed for premature failure. Find
out who did the work and get a copy of
the work order. The throttle body is
actuated by a cable. You can lube the
cable with a good quality silicone
spray, starting at the top end (at the
throttle body). The silicone will work
it's way through the entire cable.
The accelerator should move smoothly and
freely (restricted only by the
return spring). >
Thanks alot for
ANY input and sorry this is so long, please CUT and SNIP
on
all replies guys and
gals!!!!! Bob
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt
Wed Oct 6 09:26:32 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA18638
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:26:32 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
riven.plaza.ds.adp.com ([139.126.16.128])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id JAA18631
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:26:28 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from exchange04.plaza.ds.adp.com ([139.126.124.14]) by
riven.plaza.ds.adp.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA20198; Wed, 6 Oct 1999
09:26:26 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by exchange04.plaza.ds.adp.com with Internet
Mail Service (5.5.2232.9)
id <4B5ALTGW>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:26:14
-0700
Message-ID:
<2B6D2E7F9E0AD311AB0500805FB7ECD00F40CA@exchange01.plaza.ds.adp.com>
From:
Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
To: "'Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell'" <benson@2015.com>
Cc: 3000GT
Mailing <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: 3000gt
SL: 1st oil change,clutch,ECS,etc.: Newbie Que
stions
Date: Wed, 6 Oct
1999 09:25:46 -0700
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2232.9)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Benson...
This one piece of your reply <snipped> is
interesting. Have you tried
shifting at higher RPMs? Even though my 3KGT is a
TT, I can't imagine
shifting regularly at 3K to 3.5K RPMs. I doubt you're
into the torque curve
after you've shifted. Whether my econobox or the TT, I
normally shift around
5.5K unless I'm trying to conserve fuel. I think it's
smoother, and tends to
bog less. Just my preference.
Looking
forward...Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Benson
"elmagoo" Russell [mailto:benson@2015.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October
06, 1999 8:25 AM
To: 3000GT Mailing
Subject: Team3S: 3000gt SL: 1st oil
change,clutch,ECS,etc.: Newbie
Questions
<snip>
Yer also
right about best shifting at 3000 rpm's, that's basically the way
this car is
really designed. I pretty much always try to shift around
3000 - 3500
rpm's between gears when accelerating (as in just normal
cruising).
<snip>
Latufh fuh U,
Benson
benson@2015.com
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 6 09:34:40 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA18743
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:34:40 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
spool.webzone.net (mta@mail.webzone.net [205.219.23.67])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id JAA18736
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:34:36 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from benson ([208.165.99.64]) by
spool.webzone.net
(post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-12689) with SMTP id
AAA641
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:34:33 -0500
Message-ID:
<010501bf1014$001aa600$10c9c9c9@benson>
From: "Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell" <benson@2015.com>
To: "3000GT
Mailing" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
3000gt SL: 1st oil change,clutch,ECS,etc.: Newbie Questions
Date: Wed, 6 Oct
1999 11:01:06 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
multipart/alternative;
boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0102_01BF0FEA.16BE5700"
X-Priority:
3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express
5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
This is a multi-part message in MIME
format.
------=_NextPart_000_0102_01BF0FEA.16BE5700
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
quoted-printable
>Benson...
>
>This one piece of your
reply <snipped> is interesting. Have you tried
>shifting at higher
RPMs? Even though my 3KGT is a TT, I can't imagine
>shifting regularly at
3K to 3.5K RPMs. I doubt you're into the torque =
curve
>after you've
shifted. Whether my econobox or the TT, I normally shift =
around
>5.5K
unless I'm trying to conserve fuel. I think it's smoother, and =
tends
to
>bog less. Just my preference.
>
>Looking
forward...Chris
I shift around 3000 - 3500 RPM's for just normal, driving
around town =
driving (gas conservative stuff and all :). But when I'm
performance =
driving, then yes I usually go to 6000-7000 and then
shift. My eclipse =
liked shifting at just before 6000 when performance
driving, but the =
nice thing about the 3000GT's is they seem to like it
closer to 7000 :). =
Such a fun car to drive :).
Latufh fuh
U,
Benson
benson@2015.com
"-Do you ever have second
thoughts?
-When do I ever have first
thoughts?"
------=_NextPart_000_0102_01BF0FEA.16BE5700
Content-Type:
text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
quoted-printable
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0
Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META
content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1"
=
http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
<META content=3D"MSHTML
5.00.2614.3500"
name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY
bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>>Benson...<BR>><BR>>This one
=
piece of your=20
reply <snipped> is interesting. Have you
tried<BR>>shifting at =
higher=20
RPMs? Even though my 3KGT
is a TT, I can't imagine<BR>>shifting =
regularly at=20
3K to
3.5K RPMs. I doubt you're into the torque curve<BR>>after
=
you've=20
shifted. Whether my econobox or the TT, I normally shift
=
around<BR>>5.5K=20
unless I'm trying to conserve fuel. I
think it's smoother, and tends=20
to<BR>>bog less. Just my
preference.<BR>><BR>>Looking=20
forward...Chris<BR><BR>I
shift around 3000 - 3500 RPM's for just normal, =
driving=20
around town
driving (gas conservative stuff and all :). But when
=
I'm=20
performance driving, then yes I usually go to 6000-7000 and then
=
shift. My=20
eclipse liked shifting at just before 6000 when
performance driving, but =
the=20
nice thing about the 3000GT's is they
seem to like it closer to 7000 =
:). =20
Such a fun car to drive
:).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT
face=3DArial size=3D2>Latufh fuh
U,<BR>Benson<BR><A=20
href=3D"mailto:benson@2015.com">benson@2015.com</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT
face=3DArial size=3D2>"-Do you ever have second
=
thoughts?<BR>-When do I=20
ever have first
thoughts?"</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
------=_NextPart_000_0102_01BF0FEA.16BE5700--
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 6 09:36:33 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA18830
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:36:33 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
dvn.com (devons2.dvn.com [206.41.136.98])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id JAA18823
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:36:28 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from DVNGATE-Message_Server by dvn.com
with
Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 06 Oct 1999 11:33:52 -0500
Message-Id:
<s7fb33a0.000@dvn.com>
X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2
Date: Wed, 06
Oct 1999 11:33:41 -0500
From: "Ryan Floyd"
<FloydR@dvn.com>
To: benson@2015.com, cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com
Cc:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: 3000gt SL: 1st oil
change,clutch,ECS,etc.: Newbie
Questions
Mime-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Disposition:
inline
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from
quoted-printable to 8bit by list.sirius.com id JAA18824
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Okay... well I
guess I may be doing something bad then... cause I rarely run over 2200rpm when
shifting. Unless I am racing. Then it is 6500 or so. Is this a
bad thing to do??? I mean no it isn't the fastest way to get to speed, but I get
in the 30MPG range... Since my tranny and clutch and transfer case are brand
spankin new I guess I need to know if this is bad or
not.
Ryan
MCSE/ASE
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 6 09:49:33 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA19190
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:49:33 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
apollo.gat.com (apollo.gat.com [192.5.166.20])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id JAA19183
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:49:30 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from gat.com (middaugh@d3dtsa.gat.com
[192.150.242.240])
by apollo.gat.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id
JAA13671;
Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:49:25 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
<37FB7D94.E54B777F@gat.com>
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 09:49:24
-0700
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Organization:
General Atomics - Fusion Group
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; HP-UX
B.10.20 9000/730)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Ryan
Floyd <FloydR@dvn.com>
CC: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Re: Team3S: 3000gt SL: 1st oil change,clutch,ECS,etc.: Newbie
Questions
References: <s7fb33a0.000@dvn.com>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> Okay...
well I guess I may be doing something bad then... cause I rarely run over
2200rpm when shifting. Unless I am racing. Then it is 6500 or
so. Is this a bad thing to do??? I mean no it isn't the fastest way to get
to speed, but I get in the 30MPG range... Since my tranny and clutch and
transfer case are brand spankin new I guess I need to know if this is bad or
not.
You should always (i.e. after a shift) keep your RPM above 1800 when
driving.
Below 1800 RPM the oil pressure will fall and it is not good for
your engine to
be under load with low oil pressure.
--
Drive
faster, it is later than you think!
Ken Middaugh (858)
455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Wed Oct 6 09:58:42 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
JAA19330
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:58:42 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from nfs1-1.bctel.ca (nfs1-1.bctel.ca [207.194.28.68])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id JAA19322
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:58:35 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from pentiumt (vcta01m06-196.bctel.ca [207.194.29.196])
by
nfs1-1.bctel.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA28658;
Wed, 6 Oct 1999
09:55:01 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
<009101bf101b$497307a0$b417c2cf@pentiumt>
From: "Darcy
Gunnlaugson" <wce@bc.sympatico.ca>
To: "Ryan Floyd"
<FloydR@dvn.com>,
<benson@2015.com>,
<cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Cc:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 3000gt SL: 1st
oil change,clutch,ECS,etc.: NewbieQuestions
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:53:14
-0700
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3110.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Ryan;
If you're shifting at 6500 when racing you're shifting
late...out of your
power curve. Try in the 58-6000 range. And, the car is a
high performance
car so shifting in the low rpm bands is not doing it any
good on a daily
driver basis. You might get god gas mileage but believe it
not, it's harder
on the engine. Whereas Chris advises 55, and it is good
advise, you could
get by with 45 g shifts.. but don't settle for anything
lower.
Best
Darc
-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Floyd
<FloydR@dvn.com>
To: benson@2015.com <benson@2015.com>;
cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com
<cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Cc:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date:
Wednesday, October 06, 1999 9:40 AM
Subject: Team3S: 3000gt SL: 1st oil
change,clutch,ECS,etc.: NewbieQuestions
>Okay... well I guess I
may be doing something bad then... cause I rarely
run over 2200rpm when
shifting. Unless I am racing. Then it is 6500 or so.
Is this a
bad thing to do??? I mean no it isn't the fastest way to get to
speed, but I
get in the 30MPG range... Since my tranny and clutch and
transfer case are
brand spankin new I guess I need to know if this is bad
or
not.
>
>Ryan
>
>MCSE/ASE
>
>For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 6 10:07:47 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id KAA19643
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:07:47 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
spool.webzone.net (mta@mail.webzone.net [205.219.23.67])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id KAA19636
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:07:41 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from benson ([208.165.99.64]) by
spool.webzone.net
(post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-12689) with SMTP id
AAA25846
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:07:37 -0500
Message-ID:
<012f01bf1018$9e9b4a60$10c9c9c9@benson>
From: "Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell" <benson@2015.com>
To: "3000GT
Mailing" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
3000gt SL: 1st oil change,clutch,ECS,etc.: NewbieQuestions
Date: Wed, 6 Oct
1999 11:34:09 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
I was always taught that for any manual transmission car that when
cruising
along (not shifting, just actual driving at sustained speed) you
want to
keep yer RPM's between 2200 - 2500. Then if the RPM's start
going above
3000, then it's time to shift to another gear (unless yer already
at the top
:). If yer shifting at 2200, then that means yer next gear
is starting out
around 1600, that's definatley bad.
Latufh fuh
U,
Benson
benson@2015.com
"-Do you ever have second
thoughts?
-When do I ever have first thoughts?"
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 6 11:46:14 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id LAA21273
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:46:14 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
m3.boston.juno.com (m3.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.198])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id LAA21266
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:46:11 -0700
(PDT)
From: sjc0u812@juno.com
Received: (from sjc0u812@juno.com)
by
m3.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EM93U8NL; Wed, 06 Oct 1999 14:45:36 EDT
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:42:24
-0500
Subject: Team3S: HKS Sponge Filters
Message-ID:
<19991006.134339.-157685.3.SJC0U812@juno.com>
X-Mailer: Juno
3.0.13
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Juno-Line-Breaks:
0-1,3-6
X-Juno-Att: 0
X-Juno-RefParts: 0
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hello to
all:
I was wondering if anyone out there has washed out and reused their
HKS
sponge filters with success. Please advise.
Best
regards,
SJ
___________________________________________________________________
Get
the Internet just the way you want it.
Free software, free e-mail, and free
Internet access for a month!
Try Juno Web:
http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Wed Oct 6 12:24:54 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
MAA22238
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:24:54 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mailgw01.execpc.com (sendmail@mailgw01.execpc.com
[169.207.2.78])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
MAA22229
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:24:51
-0700 (PDT)
Received: from pop05.execpc.com (pop05.execpc.com
[169.207.3.82])
by mailgw01.execpc.com (8.9.1) id OAA24117
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:24:46
-0500
Received: from execpc.com (kashyyyk-1-5.mdm.mke.execpc.com
[169.207.131.5]) by pop05.execpc.com (8.8.8) id OAA15312 for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:24:37
-0500
Message-ID: <37FBA13C.5AFF7BB@execpc.com>
Date: Wed, 06 Oct
1999 14:21:33 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Reply-To:
xwing@execpc.com
Organization: Exec-PC
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95;
U)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Sirius 3000GT Mail List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: No Boost! Low rpm
Smoke, Help!
References: <f558156f.252c43c6@aol.com>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I was at the
track with Ahmed, and drove his car. The car makes
NO positive pressure
at all, against full load against the footbrake,
even when I took the
wastegate hose completely OFF the boost controller,
to remove the boost
controller from ANY chance of screwup; the
wastegates remained completely
closed forever and
uncontrollably high boost SHOULD have happened, but NO
boost was
produced; it only got to atmospheric (0psi) pressure on
Ahmed's
aftermarket boost gauge. Therefore, the intake tract is open
to
atmosphere someplace after the compressors, or all compressed
air from
ONE turbo is backfeeding through the other defective turbo.
We checked
all hoses, I saw none off. I checked as best I could
the
intercoolers
and saw no gross cracks (they are made of aluminum,
welded, unlike
Supras which have plastic end tanks crimped onto the aluminum
IC; blew the
endtanks off my buddy's Supra a couple weeks ago after putting
the HKS twin ball-
bearing turbo kit on his car at too-high
boost!)
The only suggestion that makes full sense so far is that either
a
compressor wheel, or an exhaust turbine wheel, has come off
the shaft
(or completely frozen) on one of the turbos such that
the other turbo (which
still works) is having all its positive pressure
backfed with ~ no
resistance, so no boost shows up ever.
Ahmed, you need to check the back
turbo compressor side, and if
not bad, then I'd suggest you need to REMOVE
front turbo(could be that one
if the not-visible turbine wheel "came
off") and then the
back turbo (since it is harder, do it LAST) to see
which is the
problem...ugh. Let us know!
Jack
Tertadian
Yogourt@aol.com wrote:
> TurboDrvn@aol.com
writes:
> If my GReddy Profec B boost controller was faulty; I would still
get
> some minimal boost - so the boost controller should be
fine.
>
> I think it has to be your boost controler
malfunctioning. If nothing
> prevents the boost from getting to the
engine(open BOV, leak in pipes), then
> something has to be preventing the
turbos from making boost. This could be 2
> stuck open wastgates, a
faulty boost controller, or hose leaks. If you
> didn't find any
leaks and the wastegates are not stuck it must be the boost
>
controller. Try reconnecting the stock boost controller and see if you
get
> any boost.
> Paul
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Wed Oct 6 12:40:20 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
MAA22511
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:40:20 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mailgw01.execpc.com (sendmail@mailgw01.execpc.com
[169.207.2.78])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
MAA22504
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:40:12
-0700 (PDT)
Received: from pop05.execpc.com (pop05.execpc.com
[169.207.3.82])
by mailgw01.execpc.com (8.9.1) id OAA27189
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:40:03
-0500
Received: from execpc.com (kashyyyk-1-5.mdm.mke.execpc.com
[169.207.131.5]) by pop05.execpc.com (8.8.8) id OAA17971 for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:39:32
-0500
Message-ID: <37FBA4BB.1DCB193E@execpc.com>
Date: Wed, 06 Oct
1999 14:36:28 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Reply-To:
xwing@execpc.com
Organization: Exec-PC
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95;
U)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Sirius 3000GT Mail List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Transfer case
leak/cracks
References:
<004a01bf0b4e$9a385180$3f17c2cf@pentiumt>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Regarding
91-93 (ALUMINUM) transfer case failures:
I can document that my last bad xfer
case had a leak due to a crack in the
aluminum case. The crack was
located at the area surrounding the lower driverside
bolt that attaches the
xfer case to the transmission, (or maybe the tailshaft to
the main xfer
case?) as I recall; at any rate, the crack was in the case at the
junction
between the xfer case's "tailshaft" and the main xfer
CASE, lower rearmost
bolt on driver side. The aluminum there is
machined thinner because the rear
round hole is there, the side/faceplate
hole is on the driverside.
I had two other cases start such leaks, wasn't
sure where leak was from
(never took apart to SEE the crack as I did the LAST
time); those cases
had the gears go bad, but that could be because no FLUID
as FIRST
problem, not necessarily a primary gear or bearing failure..
Of note, the
gears in the last (cracked) case all looked fine; the case just
LEAKED.
It may have been repairable; since warrantied, I did not
try. If
left to leak, all fluid would disappear and one could falsely
be led to believe
it was primary gear or other seal failure, if crack not
searched for.
1994+ have cast iron transfer cases, which do not crack/break
much
(has anybody broken a 94+ iron xfer case?)
Jack
Tertadian
Darcy Gunnlaugson wrote:
> Has anyone inspected the
source of leak/s on these 1st gen (aluminum)
> transfer cases? Are they a
weak point crack (as Mikael noted in his
> rebuild), leaking gasket? Are
they repairable?
> Darc
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Wed Oct 6 12:56:21 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
MAA22660
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:56:21 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from riven.plaza.ds.adp.com ([139.126.16.128])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id MAA22652
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:56:16 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from exchange04.plaza.ds.adp.com ([139.126.124.14]) by
riven.plaza.ds.adp.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA28216; Wed, 6 Oct 1999
12:51:29 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by exchange04.plaza.ds.adp.com with Internet
Mail Service (5.5.2232.9)
id <4B5AL49H>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:51:17
-0700
Message-ID:
<2B6D2E7F9E0AD311AB0500805FB7ECD00F40D0@exchange01.plaza.ds.adp.com>
From:
Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
To:
"'sjc0u812@juno.com'" <sjc0u812@juno.com>
Cc:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: HKS Sponge
Filters
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:50:48 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
SJ...
I
wash out my HKS Super Flo's every couple months. Soap and water, squeeze
dry,
left to sit for a day or two. Works great, they hold their shape well,
and
fit back into the baskets nicely. However, there was a filter review
posted a
few weeks ago that indicate our filters don't filter worth
spit.
:-(
Looking forward...Chris
-----Original
Message-----
From: sjc0u812@juno.com [mailto:sjc0u812@juno.com]
Sent:
Wednesday, October 06, 1999 11:42 AM
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: HKS Sponge
Filters
Hello to all:
I was wondering if anyone out there has
washed out and reused their HKS
sponge filters with success. Please
advise.
Best regards, SJ
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt
Wed Oct 6 14:07:47 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id OAA23800
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:07:47 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
osage.gate.net (root@osage.gate.net [198.206.134.25])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id OAA23792
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:07:43 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from default (tswth1-184.gate.net [207.36.27.184]) by
osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA39948 for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:06:13
-0400
Message-ID: <37FBBBA9.53AA@gate.net>
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999
17:14:17 -0400
From: Michael Booker <mrbook@gate.net>
Reply-To:
mrbook@gate.net
X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: ECS problem.
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
My ECS lights
are flashing, but both tour and sport lights are flashing
at the same time.
Does this indicate a gross malfunction? Can I replace
the wiring harnesses? I
suspect it may be the wiring, and I don't want
to replace a whole strut if I
don't have to.
Matt
#311
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Wed Oct 6 14:52:26 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
OAA24388
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:52:26 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from riven.plaza.ds.adp.com ([139.126.16.128])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id OAA24381
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:52:23 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from exchange04.plaza.ds.adp.com ([139.126.124.14]) by
riven.plaza.ds.adp.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA03097 for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:53:02 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by exchange04.plaza.ds.adp.com with Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2232.9)
id <4B5ALV91>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:52:50
-0700
Message-ID:
<2B6D2E7F9E0AD311AB0500805FB7ECD00F40D6@exchange01.plaza.ds.adp.com>
From:
Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
To: "'Team3S'"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Silver State ORR -
off topic
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:52:16 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Folks...
For all you road racers that are building your
engines (and brakes), have
you
considered...
http://www.silverstateclassic.com/
Keep in mind,
this is off topic (non-technical), but I'm wondering if anyone
has run this
Open Road Race, or plans to in 2000?
Please reply
PRIVATELY!!!
Looking forward...Chris
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Wed Oct 6 15:42:12 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
PAA25466
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:42:12 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch
[194.158.230.44])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
PAA25456
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:42:05
-0700 (PDT)
Received: from roger (194.230.16.8) by newmail.spectraweb.ch; 7
Oct 1999 00:38:34 +0200
Message-ID:
<006b01bf104b$d0446c80$0810e6c2@roger>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<37FBBBA9.53AA@gate.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ECS problem.
Date:
Wed, 6 Oct 1999 23:37:52 +0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> My ECS lights are flashing, but both tour and sport lights are
flashing
> at the same time. Does this indicate a gross malfunction? Can I
replace
> the wiring harnesses? I suspect it may be the wiring, and I
don't want
> to replace a whole strut if I don't have to.
First,
make sure all the conenction is good. Pull the front connectors and
clean
them with contact spray and make sure the wires are in good shape. In
the
most of the cases this is the problem. If you are sure all the
connections
are fine and the ECS lights are still flashing then one of the
struts is
really gone.
Hope this helps,
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 6 16:21:50 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id QAA26140
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:21:50 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
ojm.ml.org (ppp-113.tnt-1.hou.smartworld.net [216.70.82.113])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id QAA26129
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:21:46 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from OJMSERVER [127.0.0.1] by ojm.ml.org [127.0.0.1] with
SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP4.R) for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 06
Oct 1999 18:21:32 -0500
From: "Omar Malik"
<ojm@iname.com>
To: <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Air/Fuel Meter
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:21:32
-0500
Message-ID:
<NDBBIMNBJKHKKNBKNCIKMEDDDAAA.ojm@iname.com>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer:
Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)
X-MimeOLE: Produced By
Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.207
Importance: Normal
In-Reply-To:
<005101bf0fce$97af9750$7e8783d8@RGERL012599_000.peoplesoft.com>
X-MDaemon-Deliver-To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
X-Return-Path: ojm@iname.com
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
4??
how come
a nonturbo needs 4 O2 sensors and where are they? just
curious?
Omar
92 r/t
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Air/Fuel
Meter
>
>
> Ed,
>
> Call Brian at GTPRO for the
proper information. Also I think your 98 does
> have four O2 sensors so
you should tap into one of the wires from the
> sensors before the
cats.
>
> ADMIN Note : Please turn of the HTML, as this may confuse
the mailing list
> server. Thanks.
>
> Roger
> 93'3000GT
TT
>
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 6 16:27:42 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id QAA26342
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:27:42 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id QAA26334
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:27:37 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from roger (194.230.17.99) by newmail.spectraweb.ch; 7 Oct
1999 01:24:07 +0200
Message-ID:
<002d01bf1052$2d4013c0$31e7e6c2@roger>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<NDBBIMNBJKHKKNBKNCIKMEDDDAAA.ojm@iname.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Air/Fuel Meter
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 01:26:10 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> 4??
> how come a nonturbo needs 4 O2 sensors and where
are they? just curious?
This has absolutely nothing to do with nonturbo
or turbo or Nitrous or
whatever. It is emmision related.
Of course
only the ODBII and California cars have 4 of them ! As you know
these cars
have to test if the pre-cats are still working and therefore, one
is in front
of the precat and another afterwards. And as all our cars have a
V6 ... 2x2 =
4.
Hope this helps (food for the FAQ !!!)
Roger
93'3000GT
TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 6 17:00:37 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id RAA26943
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:00:37 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
ojm.ml.org (ppp-13.tnt-1.hou.smartworld.net [216.70.82.13])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id RAA26936
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:00:33 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from OJMSERVER [127.0.0.1] by ojm.ml.org [127.0.0.1] with
SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP4.R) for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 06
Oct 1999 18:57:10 -0500
From: "Omar Malik"
<ojm@iname.com>
To: <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Air/Fuel Meter
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:57:10
-0500
Message-ID:
<NDBBIMNBJKHKKNBKNCIKMEDEDAAA.ojm@iname.com>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer:
Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)
X-MimeOLE: Produced By
Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.207
Importance: Normal
In-Reply-To:
<002d01bf1052$2d4013c0$31e7e6c2@roger>
X-MDaemon-Deliver-To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
X-Return-Path: ojm@iname.com
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
OH!. so all non
turbos and turbos have precats. i thought it was just
turbos. i didn't know
that. does this apply to the older 1st gen non turbos
as well? do i have
precats i could gut?
Omar
> This has absolutely nothing to
do with nonturbo or turbo or Nitrous or
> whatever. It is emmision
related.
>
> Of course only the ODBII and California cars have 4 of
them ! As you know
> these cars have to test if the pre-cats are still
working and
> therefore, one
> is in front of the precat and another
afterwards. And as all our
> cars have a
> V6 ... 2x2 =
4.
>
> Hope this helps (food for the FAQ !!!)
>
>
Roger
> 93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Wed Oct 6 17:23:54 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
RAA27201
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:23:54 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from demai02.mw.mediaone.net (demai02.mw.mediaone.net
[24.131.1.20])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
RAA27194
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:23:49
-0700 (PDT)
Received: from mediaone.net (nic-30-c61-152.mw.mediaone.net
[24.30.61.152])
by demai02.mw.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id
UAA15774;
Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:21:39 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
<37FC14C8.6CA6777D@mediaone.net>
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 20:34:32
-0700
From: Joe Gonsowski <twinturbo@mediaone.net>
X-Mailer: Mozilla
4.08 [en] (Win98; U)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Chris Winkley
<cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
CC: "'sjc0u812@juno.com'"
<sjc0u812@juno.com>, stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re:
Team3S: HKS Sponge Filters
References:
<2B6D2E7F9E0AD311AB0500805FB7ECD00F40D0@exchange01.plaza.ds.adp.com>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I've got the
sponge filters but I'm not particularly impressed with them. After
washing
them I put a light quote of engine oil on the outside surface (HKS
recommendation) and
place them back in retaining mesh. I've had a
difficult time getting them to firmly
rest against the mating part causing a
direct leak path for dirt. Even when I do get
them to seal, there is
evidence of dirt getting through (usually found collected on the
inside wall
at the first bend). I wouldn't mind switching over to a K&N type
filter.
Joe Gonsowski
'92 R/T TT Stealth
Chris Winkley
wrote:
> SJ...
>
> I wash out my HKS Super Flo's every
couple months. Soap and water, squeeze
> dry, left to sit for a day or
two. Works great, they hold their shape well,
> and fit back into the
baskets nicely. However, there was a filter review
> posted a few weeks
ago that indicate our filters don't filter worth spit.
>
:-(
>
> Looking forward...Chris
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: sjc0u812@juno.com [mailto:sjc0u812@juno.com]
>
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 11:42 AM
> To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Subject: Team3S: HKS Sponge
Filters
>
> Hello to all:
>
> I was wondering if anyone
out there has washed out and reused their HKS
> sponge filters with
success. Please advise.
>
> Best regards, SJ
> For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Wed Oct 6 17:48:37 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
RAA27488
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:48:37 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from wichita.fn.net (root@wichita.fn.net [198.247.1.1])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id RAA27481
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:48:34 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from feist.com (fsict-tc18-49.fn.net [198.247.8.149])
by
wichita.fn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13882
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 19:48:31 -0500
(CDT)
Message-ID: <37FBEE14.7BA5442A@feist.com>
Date: Wed, 06 Oct
1999 19:49:24 -0500
From: Trevor James
<trevorlj@feist.com>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Sirius 3000GT Mail List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Question about 15G's
I bought...
References: <f558156f.252c43c6@aol.com>
<37FBA13C.5AFF7BB@execpc.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I was looking at
the rear 15G I bought and on turbine intake side it has only 2 of the 3
holes
tapped. I hope this isn't a mistake or something but there's three holes there
to
hook the exhaust manifold to and only two are tapped...If the other one
needs to be
tapped I can have the machine shop where I work do
it.
Trevor James
96 R/T TT 12.68@111.4 0-60 4.14 Gtech (HKS EVCIV@1.00
bar, Plugs@.034", Borla, K&N FIPK)
92 GMC Typhoon 14.10@97.4
0-60 5.34 Gtech
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 6 20:21:51 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id UAA29239
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:21:51 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
pclink.com (root@mail.pclink.com [204.72.134.12])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id UAA29231
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:21:47 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from logikit (pm1-13 [206.11.1.21])
by pclink.com
(8.9.2/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA01647;
Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:21:40 -0500
(CDT)
Message-ID: <005d01bf1072$af327920$15010bce@logikit>
From:
"Oskar" <swede@pclink.com>
To: "Ken Middaugh"
<Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>,
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<s7fb33a0.000@dvn.com> <37FB7D94.E54B777F@gat.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Field research - oil pressure
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:18:52
-0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
In a previous message Ken Middaugh wrote:
> Below 1800 RPM the
oil pressure will fall and it is not good for your
engine to
> be under
load with low oil pressure.
>
Just yesterday I conversed
with another list member regarding oil pressure.
We have both installed
aftermarket oil pressure gauges and were comparing
our readings. I
noted the following:
Conditions: Ambient temp = 45F, Mobil1 15W50,
less that 500 miles old.
84 PSI at startup idle - cold
engine.
After thorough warming (10+ miles of driving):
19-20 PSI at
idle
46-48 PSI at 2000 RPM
70 PSI at 3000 RPM
80 PSI at 3600 RPM
88
PSI at 5500 RPM
Since 1600 and 1800 RPM were discussed today in the
context of potentially
causing damage I went for another ride to get some
more readings. Again I
made sure the oil was up to operating
temperature.
At 1600 RPM the oil pressure was 39 PSI, and at 1800 this
increased to 42
PSI. The car is a '95 R/T TT. Please note that I
am using a high viscosity
synthetic oil. I recall that the readings
were somewhat lower when I used a
10W30 synthetic, primarily at
idle.
Draw your own conclusions. I can tell you that I will
continue to use 6th
gear while driving down the
Interstate.
Oskar
'95 R/T TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Wed Oct 6 22:05:06 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
WAA00357
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:05:06 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from bricks.carlson.com (mail.carlson.com
[208.240.12.67])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
WAA00350
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:05:03
-0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail.carlson.com (root@localhost)
by
bricks.carlson.com with ESMTP id AAA15806
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 00:05:02 -0500
(CDT)
Received: from otcmsg07.carlson.com (otcmsg07.carlson.com
[172.24.129.74])
by mail.carlson.com with SMTP id AAA15794
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 00:05:02 -0500
(CDT)
Received: by otcmsg07.carlson.com with Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
id <TB1T5CH8>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 00:04:18
-0500
Message-ID:
<CB1B2EAE12C5D2119E0000805F9F82210396D6DB@otcmsg09.carlson.com>
From:
"Basol, John" <jbasol@Carlson.com>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Field research - oil
pressure
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 00:04:16 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
The biggest
thing with oil supply and engine load, isn't so much the
pressure, but
volume. Most racers use LPHV (low pressure high volume) pumps
which may
only provide 40-50psi of pressure, but still flow more oil than
most higher
pressure pumps. I also know that the HP loss with a LPHV pump
is
different, I just can't remember whether it was more or less.
:-)
Either way I don't think the difference in HP was more than 1
HP.
-John Basol
'95 RT/TT
-----Original Message-----
From:
Oskar [SMTP:swede@pclink.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 10:19
PM
To: Ken Middaugh; stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Field
research - oil pressure
In a previous message Ken Middaugh wrote:
>
Below 1800 RPM the oil pressure will fall and it is not good
for
your
engine to
> be under load with low oil
pressure.
>
Just yesterday I conversed with another list
member regarding oil
pressure.
We have both installed aftermarket oil
pressure gauges and were
comparing
our readings. I noted the
following:
Conditions: Ambient temp = 45F, Mobil1 15W50, less that
500 miles
old.
84 PSI at startup idle - cold engine.
After
thorough warming (10+ miles of driving):
19-20 PSI at idle
46-48 PSI at
2000 RPM
70 PSI at 3000 RPM
80 PSI at 3600 RPM
88 PSI at 5500
RPM
Since 1600 and 1800 RPM were discussed today in the context
of
potentially
causing damage I went for another ride to get some more
readings.
Again I
made sure the oil was up to operating temperature.
At
1600 RPM the oil pressure was 39 PSI, and at 1800 this increased
to
42
PSI. The car is a '95 R/T TT. Please note that I am using a
high
viscosity
synthetic oil. I recall that the readings were
somewhat lower when
I used a
10W30 synthetic, primarily at
idle.
Draw your own conclusions. I can tell you that I will
continue to
use 6th
gear while driving down the
Interstate.
Oskar
'95 R/T TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 7 01:26:50 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id BAA01837
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 01:26:50 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id BAA01822
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 01:26:45 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from RGERL012599 (216.131.135.126) by newmail.spectraweb.ch;
7 Oct 1999 10:23:03 +0200
Message-ID:
<001a01bf109d$c31757a0$7e8783d8@RGERL012599_000.peoplesoft.com>
Reply-To:
"R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Air/Fuel Meter
(pre-cats)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:22:43 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3110.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
>OH!. so all non turbos and turbos have precats. i thought it was
just
>turbos. i didn't know that. does this apply to the older 1st gen non
turbos
>as well? do i have precats i could gut?
This made me
thinking and my manual says that all V6 engines do have three
catalysts (at
least in Europe). But I can't really say for sure as I haven't
seen an NA
engine in real live. At least you'll have an O2 sensor before and
after the
cat and when your car has precats then you have two O2 sensors for
each bank.
Gutting the pre-catsis very beneficial for the turbos as the
turbines can
spool more freely. Not really sure for the NAs as this may
reduce
backpressure even more and some lower power may be lost but the upper
band
will be better.
I wIll look more closely in the manual
tonight.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Thu Oct 7 01:26:55 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
BAA01855
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 01:26:55 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch
[194.158.230.44])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
BAA01823
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 01:26:45
-0700 (PDT)
Received: from RGERL012599 (216.131.135.126) by
newmail.spectraweb.ch; 7 Oct 1999 10:23:05 +0200
Message-ID:
<001b01bf109d$c44a8070$7e8783d8@RGERL012599_000.peoplesoft.com>
Reply-To:
"R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "Sirius 3000GT Mail List"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Question about
15G's I bought...
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:25:37 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3110.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
>I was looking at the rear 15G I bought and on turbine intake
side it has
only 2 of the 3
>holes tapped. I hope this isn't a mistake
or something but there's three
holes there to
>hook the exhaust
manifold to and only two are tapped...If the other one
needs to
be
>tapped I can have the machine shop where I work do it.
As far
as I remember, there are two bolts that are screwed in and one is
used with a
nut. I can check back tonight with my GT368 turbos lying
around.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Thu Oct 7 08:38:52 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
IAA05118
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 08:38:52 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from citicorp.com (mango2-a.citicorp.com
[192.193.196.141])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
IAA05111
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 08:38:48
-0700 (PDT)
Received: from myrtle2.citicorp.com (imta.citicorp.com
[192.193.195.189])
by citicorp.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id
LAA15785;
Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:36:50 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from
mimosa.citicorp.com (mimosa.citicorp.com [192.193.249.8])
by
myrtle2.citicorp.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09906;
Thu, 7 Oct
1999 11:37:27 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from citicorp.com
(jschwart-pc.lic.us-ny.citicorp.com [163.39.2.113])
by mimosa.citicorp.com
(8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24291;
Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:37:27 -0400
(EDT)
Message-ID: <37FCBE38.4472D724@citicorp.com>
Date: Thu, 07 Oct
1999 11:37:28 -0400
From: Jeff Schwartz
<jeff.schwartz@citicorp.com>
Organization: Citicorp
X-Sender:
"Jeff Schwartz" <jschwart@pop3.citicorp.com>
X-Mailer:
Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-Citi0001 (WinNT; U)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To:
mrbook@gate.net
CC: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S:
ECS problem.
References: <37FBBBA9.53AA@gate.net>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Matt,
It is probably a broken wire at the top of
the stut tower. I had
the same problem, but all I did was to re-seat
the connectors for
each of the front struts, and the problem never came
back. Guess I
just had a dirty connection.
--
Jeff
Schwartz
1995 Panama Green Pearl VR4
Borla, K&N, and
Magnecors
Michael Booker wrote:
>
> My ECS lights are
flashing, but both tour and sport lights are flashing
> at the same time.
Does this indicate a gross malfunction? Can I replace
> the wiring
harnesses? I suspect it may be the wiring, and I don't want
> to replace a
whole strut if I don't have to.
>
> Matt
> #311
> For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
--
Jeff Schwartz
1995 Panama
Green Pearl VR4
Borla, K&N, and Magnecors
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Thu Oct 7 09:22:40 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
JAA05680
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:22:40 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mailhost.oeaa.com (mailhost.oeaa.com
[216.103.199.12])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
JAA05673
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:22:37
-0700 (PDT)
Received: by mailhost.oeaa.com with Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
id <TZS6Y9WH>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:18:52
-0700
Message-ID:
<111D7AE95918D311A41D0060970F86E4424C69@mailhost.oeaa.com>
From: Luis
Interiano <Interian@oeaa.com>
To: "Stealth-3000gt (E-mail)"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Cluctch / Trany
work
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:18:51 -0700
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer:
Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hello
All,
I'm new to the group and would like to add some info to the collective
(and
maybe also get some feed back). I have a NA 94 3000GT. Two
weeks ago I
began to lose power and determined it was the clutch.
My estimate was
correct and after 117,600 miles my factory clutch was
done. I had it
replaced (~$530 parts and labor) and the mechanic
(Precision Auto Care of
Woodland, CA) recommended a clutch made by
"LUK". I don't know much about
this clutch, which makes me a
little leery. I'd like to know if any one in
the group has had any
experience with a "LUK" clutch. I drove it last night
and
this morning, I feel the clutch pedal has half the resistance force from
the
original. The clutch is working fine.
BTW While the trany was out
(this was extra $) they replace the rear engine
seal and serviced the trany
(I now have Redline Synthetic oil).
On another note does any one know of
a good place to purchase a K&N FIPK?
Luis G. Interiano
Project Engineer
OEA Aerospace, Inc.
3530 Branscombe Rd.
Fairfield,
CA 94533
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 7 09:39:18 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA05950
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:39:18 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
dvn.com (devons2.dvn.com [206.41.136.98])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id JAA05943
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:39:14 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from DVNGATE-Message_Server by dvn.com
with
Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 07 Oct 1999 11:36:45 -0500
Message-Id:
<s7fc85cd.058@dvn.com>
X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2
Date: Thu, 07
Oct 1999 11:36:14 -0500
From: "Ryan Floyd"
<FloydR@dvn.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com,
Interian@oeaa.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Cluctch / Trany work
Mime-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Disposition:
inline
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from
quoted-printable to 8bit by list.sirius.com id JAA05944
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I just had about
the same problem only they happened to find my tranny had leaked all the fluid
out. I bought a Kormex tranny and they installed a LUK clutch. It
does have half the resistance. But I think that fades slightly seeing how
I put 500 miles on mine and now it has a little more. I put redline mt90
in tranny and shockproof in tc. it seems to help the shifting a lot.
The clutch works fine though, and it seems to have a bit better grip than
stock. my clutch ran about the same as yours, I also bought a K&N from
summit for 159. it installed in about an hour. Hope this
helps.
Ryan
92RT/TT
K&N FIPK
Accel wires
RF plugs @
.034
soon a bit more boost!
MCSE/ASE
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 7 09:47:13 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA06123
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:47:13 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
spool.webzone.net (mta@mail.webzone.net [205.219.23.67])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id JAA06116
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:47:09 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from benson ([208.152.100.126]) by
spool.webzone.net
(post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-12689) with SMTP id
AAA4074
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:46:49 -0500
Message-ID:
<01a701bf10de$db518480$10c9c9c9@benson>
From: "Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell" <benson@2015.com>
To: "3000GT
Mailing" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Cluctch
/ Trany work
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:12:58 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Luis
I got mine from www.dynamicracing1.com and installed it
myself. It's dirt
simple to put on with the exception for the 4 screws
that hold on the mass
air sensor to the original air-intake bottom
half. Granted I have a '95,
and it was probably just a problem with my
specific vehicle due to the fact
that the original nuts were screwed on too
tightly. But there's also a
wonderful design flaw with the ways these
screw are held in place. Normally
you'd think that to hold two piecs of
material together you'd use regular
screws with heads on them and nuts (so
you can get a grip on the head of the
screw with some pliars or
something). Well, some genius who was smokin' too
much crack at the
time decided to make the screws headless, and put this 2
mm flat, rectangular
bar on the end, and then put braces on either side of
the bar on the
airintake part to provide the counter-torque for when you
turn the nut.
This would've worked ok, except for the fact that the braces
on the
air-intake that provide the counter-torque were made of plastic
instead of
metal. So hence when I turned the nut (that was way to tight
because I
think Titan himself came down and tightened them originally), the
plate on
the end turned and ripped right through the plastic braces (on all
4
screws). So now I have this wonderful long screw with the worlds
tightest
nut on it, just spinning in place with no head on the screw to put
some
vice-grips on. I had to rip the plastic apart on the bottom half
of the
original air-intake (thus destroying it into shreds) so I could
get at this
tiny 2mm plate to attempt to get some type of grip on it so I
could get
these damn screws off. Basically turning what should've been
a 30 -60
minute job into like 4 hours filled with lots of explicatives
:).
anyways, sorry for the story, but it is funny when I look back at it
:).
But try www.dynamicracing1.com
or www.gtpro.com if they're out of
stock :).
Latufh fuh U,
Benson
benson@2015.com
"-Do you
ever have second thoughts?
-When do I ever have first
thoughts?"
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 7 09:49:24 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA06204
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:49:24 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id JAA06197
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:49:21 -0700
(PDT)
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
Received: from TurboDrvn@aol.com
by
imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id pILCa12220 (3699);
Thu, 7 Oct 1999
12:48:44 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <0.46c3ba2b.252e28eb@aol.com>
Date:
Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:48:43 EDT
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: No Boost! Low rpm
Smoke, Help!
To: xwing@execpc.com,
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer:
Windows AOL sub 44
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
In a message
dated 10/6/99 2:26:05 PM Central Daylight Time, xwing@execpc.com
writes:
<< Ahmed, you need to check the back turbo compressor
side, and if
not bad, then I'd suggest you need to REMOVE front turbo(could
be that one
if the not-visible turbine wheel "came off") and then
the
back turbo (since it is harder, do it LAST) to see which is
the
problem...ugh. Let us know!
Jack Tertadian >>
I
plan on doing that this Tuesday.....not looking forward to this task of
getting into the turobs; I will start with checking both wastegates first;
then the front turbo next and then finally the rear turbo.
I would like to thank everyone who has given me advice on this subject;
I
knew disconnecting the battery would not do anything.....but I did it
anyway
(I'm praying for anything here)....will now look into the wastegates
( I
believe one of the wastegates must be stuck!! at least I hope
so!!).....then
finally I will check both turbos, front first then the rear
one.
Thanks again, everyone.
Ahmed "AL-Depressioso
AL-Crazy"
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 7 09:57:00 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA06304
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:57:00 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.swissonline.ch (mail.swissonline.ch [62.2.32.83])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id JAA06297
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:56:57 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from swissonline.ch (unk-131-135-126.peoplesoft.com
[216.131.135.126] (may be forged))
by mail.swissonline.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with
ESMTP id SAA18348;
Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:56:40 +0200 (MET DST)
Message-ID:
<37FCD0EE.15E13BBE@swissonline.ch>
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 18:57:18
+0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Organization:
Peoplesoft Switzerland / Office
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Ryan Floyd
<FloydR@dvn.com>
CC: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Cluctch / Trany work (K&N)
References:
<s7fc85cd.058@dvn.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Guys, as far as
I know, the 2nd gen DSM K&N FIPK has a bigger filter and fits
perfectly.
Price is below $100. It's maybe round and not oval but who
cares.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Thu Oct 7 10:40:52 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
KAA07132
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:40:52 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from wiesbaden.netsurf.de (nero.wiesbaden.netsurf.de
[194.163.168.140])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id
KAA07125
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:40:49
-0700 (PDT)
Received: from wiesbaden.netsurf.de by wiesbaden.netsurf.de with
esmtp
(Smail3.2.0.95 #28) id m11ZHeH-001lfJC; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:48:13 +0100
(MET)
Message-ID: <37FCEA2B.7B7503F9@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Date:
Thu, 07 Oct 1999 19:44:59 +0100
From: Matthews
<matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en,ja
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Team3S
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Bee-Racing
Products
References:
<005301bf0fce$9e313d90$7e8783d8@RGERL012599_000.peoplesoft.com>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
"R.G."
wrote:
>
> >I am really interested in the exhaust
manifold. They really did a nice job
> >on it. I am not
versed enough in turbos to compare the HK$ ones they
> >installed to
say, 17g's. Anyone know how they compare? Also I cannot
>
>tell but it does not look like they are using a MAS. Either that or
it
> >is under the headlight.
>
> I was told that this is
a custom made header design and nothing that will be
> produced in a
larger series. Of course if we order 50 or so .... They
> installed three
different turbos and the largest were comparable to 20Gs but
> dunno the
others. For the fuel part I thought that they are using a VPC
> (i.e. no
MAs nor MAF). Don't have the turbo mag (too much wrong stuff in
> there)
so I can't see the pics.
>
> Roger
> 93'3000GT TT
It
says they are using GT2835 turbos pushing 1.7 bar through a
custom
intercooler (singular). Fuel system upgrades include a Skyline
pump and
an HKS F-Con V controller which allows RPM-based tuning.
Besides
exhaust, nothing else was mentioned - no internal work. How are
they
able to reliably push 25psi with only bolt ons? I guess it can't
be
doing this on pump gas...
I'd also like to know more about the
"stock" Mitsu-Brembo SIX piston
calipers and slotted rotors!
Also interesting that the hood has vents,
while it sure looks like they're
running the intake down to the stock
intercooler mounting location... (Mike's
right that the air metering
system is hidden from view in the
picture)
--
Jim Matthews - Wiesbaden,
Germany
matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (64 Kbps
ISDN)
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews
*** 3000GT-Stealth
International (3Si) Member #0030
***
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews/stealth.html
Jet Black '94
Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension,
Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 72%
BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark
plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
Metal Matrix brake pads, custom braided
brake lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 168mph
G-Tech
Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 406 SAE
HP, 354 lb-ft torque
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 7 13:01:20 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id NAA08462
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:01:20 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id NAA08455
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:01:12 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from roger (194.230.229.104) by newmail.spectraweb.ch; 7 Oct
1999 21:57:34 +0200
Message-ID:
<002d01bf10fe$7cc228a0$68e5e6c2@roger>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "Team3S"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<005301bf0fce$9e313d90$7e8783d8@RGERL012599_000.peoplesoft.com>
<37FCEA2B.7B7503F9@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Bee-Racing Products
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 21:59:35 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> It says they are using GT2835 turbos pushing 1.7 bar through a
custom
> intercooler (singular). Fuel system upgrades include a
Skyline pump and
> an HKS F-Con V controller which allows RPM-based
tuning. Besides
> exhaust, nothing else was mentioned - no internal
work. How are they
> able to reliably push 25psi with only bolt
ons? I guess it can't be
> doing this on pump gas...
No
definitely not and my source told that the internals have been made.
Rods,
pistons and TotalSeals. The pistons are a little higher and
increase
compression a little.
> I'd also like to know more about
the "stock" Mitsu-Brembo SIX piston
> calipers and slotted
rotors!
As always, they have a lot of wrong stuff in their articles. The
biggest
"stock" brakes are the ones from the WRC Rally car and they
are not stock as
the stuff is comming directly from Brembo (four pot calipers
and rotors).
Ralliart Germany doesn't know anything about a 6-pot caliper as
this would
be too much for the axles of the light EVO.
> while it
sure looks like they're running the intake down to the stock
> intercooler
mounting location... (Mike's right that the air metering
> system is
hidden from view in the picture)
Again, a VPC or F-Con does NOT use air
metering. This is why a simple duct
from the front to the intake can be made
:)
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Thu Oct 7 13:10:55 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
NAA08594
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:10:55 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from refuge.Colorado.EDU (monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU
[128.138.196.2])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
NAA08587
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:10:52
-0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (monarchd@localhost)
by
refuge.Colorado.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/UnixOps+Hesiod (PDH)) with SMTP id
OAA18920
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:10:49
-0600 (MDT)
Message-Id:
<199910072010.OAA18920@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
X-Authentication-Warning:
refuge.Colorado.EDU: monarchd@localhost didn't use HELO protocol
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: AWD transfer case info
(very long)
Reply-To: monarchd+team3s@colorado.edu
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999
14:10:49 -0600
From: Dave Monarchi
<monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
some more
tidbits for the collective..
I ordered a rebuilt transfer case
from MD Auto yesterday.. I was quoted
the same price ($850) as what was
in Kens post below.. I then told him
about our wonderful list and the
deals we had with other dealers and
distributors, and asked if he'd be able
to cut us some slack.. success!
He gave me $50 off so the transfer case
ended up at $800 + $25 for
shipping + $50 core charge = $875 to my
door! (note: the core charge in
the post below is incorrect, or they
made an awful big change to it since
then)
It's supposed to be
here tomorrow.. I can hardly control myself! :::)))
ok, so
it's not exactly a bargain, and if your case isn't damaged, you can
certainly
get the parts to rebuild it much cheaper.. but it seemed to be
the
best deal around..
here's all the info I came up with in my
research (keep in mind unless
noted that these quotes were all for 2nd gen
cast iron transfer cases for
6 speed transmissions):
MD
Auto
619-390-0450, in San Diego
$ 800.00
rebuilt with 1 year unlimited mileage warranty
(make sure you mention the
list discount for this price! $50 core!)
Tallahassee Mitsu
1-888-825-5648
$ 1836.33 list , $ 1469.06 discount price
(this
month only -October 99- they are selling for $1280!!! new!)
<<<<------
Mag Auto (Chris)
1-800-229-1001
$
1471.00 (claimed this is new)
Kormex
1-800-429-5464
$ 650 (5
speed), $1100 (6 speed)
M&S Recycling
1-800-695-4700
$ 900
(used, not rebuilt, 6 month warranty)
Standard
Transmission
1-800-783-8726
$ 75 for bearing and seal kit (I
considered replacing the damaged pieces
of my case which they quoted at $25
for the cover plate, and $150 for the
section of case that bolts to the
transmission.. I got a quote on a used
complete transfer case, but I
can't seem to find it anywhere..)
that's I have for now.. If I find
something I left out, I'll post an
update.. I also put this info on my
webpage if anyone needs it it the
future..
http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~monarchd/3000gt
I'm including a couple previous
posts so more info is compiled in one
post.. I hope Ken and Jack won't
mind.. sorry for the length.. I did
trim out the mail
headers to save some space.. posts are separated by my
notes in [
]..
Dave
95 Black (2WD soon to be AWD again!)
VR4
---------------------
[Ken Middaugh gave me this
info:]
MD Auto rebuilds Getrags & transfer cases. They also
sell parts...
Good luck,
Ken
-----INCLUDE--------
Anyway
I just called MD Auto, 619-390-0450, in San Diego to follow up
with recent
Getrag questions floating around. I spoke with Mike for at
least 20
minutes and he is very friendly and helpful. MD Auto as you
recall
sells rebuilt Getrag transmissions and transfer cases and also
sells some
parts.
5 or 6 spd. rebuilt tranny & rebuilt transfer
case $2695
5 or 6 spd. rebuilt
tranny $2295
rebuilt transfer
case
$850
(refundable) core charge
$500
Tranny & transfer case have 12 month unlimited milage
warranty.
Only gears and synchros that are out of spec are
replaced. Yes he has
access to NEW SYNCHROS from a source in
Europe. He will not publically
confirm his source (but I'll tell you
that it is in a country that
starts with "G" - wink, wink).
He uses them in his rebuilds but he will
NOT SELL SYNCHROS for fear that his
source will stop providing him
access. New bearings, shaft, transfer
unit spool, and seals are used,
see below.
There is no problem
swapping a 5 for a 6 speed or a small shaft 5 spd
for a large shaft.
Interestingly, he said that the large shaft splines
come back in worse shape
than the small shafts. He said this is because
the small shaft's 18
splines are wider than the large shafts 25 splines,
so the thiner 25 splines
wear more. ???
His current stock is 1 6 spd. and 12 5 speeds.
Normally, you buy a
rebuilt and send him your old core. He doesn't
rebuild "your" tranny &
transfer case, he just swaps
them.
Now he also sells some parts:
Bearings, Timken from France, 8
total, better than OEM $225
Shafts, OEM
quality
$695 (ouch!)
Transfer spools, OEM quality $695 (double
ouch!)
OEM seals (6 total) for tranny & transfer case
$175
He also sells used gears & housings.
I asked him
about upgrading or using better than OEM quality parts. He
didn't sound
too optimistic from his "small shop" point of view.
Mike is a
Corvette man who began his affiliation with 3000GT/Stealth AWD
trannys when a
friend of his had Getrag problems. He also mentioned
that the ZF
tranny's in the Vette also have no parts availability and
they cost over
$7K.
--------------------
[I grabbed this post from Jack T.
(xwing) on the starnet list:]
>From: xwing
<xwing@execpc.com>
>Reply-To: xwing@execpc.com
>To:
stealth@starnet.net
>Subject: Trans-XferCase Part/Rebuild
Sources
>Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:01:43 -0500
>
>Note, Norman
Mitsu is closed.
>Jack Tertadian
Subject: Team3S: Trans-XferCase
Part/Rebuild Sources
TRANSAXLE / TRANSFER CASE / PARTS / REBUILD
SOURCE
Summary:
1) Try Tallahassee Mitsu 1888-825-5648,
say you are on 3S Internet list for
like 25% discount and free ship for over
$50
2) Rockland Mitsu 1914-353-2100 Say internet/3SI member
"Terry"
3) Norco Mitsu
1888-689-1788 "
"
"
"Bill"
4) Lou Fusz Mitsu
1800-528-2525 "
"
"
"Greg or Marty"
5) Norman Mitsu
1800-800-0853 "
"
" 25% off, free ship over $400
6) MAG
auto
1800-229-1001 I think these are used
only?
7) Kormex Trans Parts 1800-429-5464 "Frank
Martin" Has aftermarket
hardened output shafts for trans and other
parts, do rebuilds.
8) East Street Auto 1901-774-5374
"Jim" I think they have ?stock output
shafts for $400, not
sure here
9) Southern Gear
1770-435-1461 Trans Rebuilders in Georgia,
USA;
have done many of them, would be between them and Kormex if I had
to
have rebuild based on info I have NOW.
10) Max Mayants at
"GTR Motorsports" email NYMaxxNY@aol.com,
gets new
transaxle bearing kits, output shaft for $430; was planning to
recoat the
old/used synchro ring with new brass (not a bad idea) though
not the only
part that wears (the gear face teeth and blocker rings also have
teeth that
wear, but if can make new brasscoated rings that is one more part
being
made!) I don't have phone #, if you get it write back; he said back
in
May 99 he was opening up large shop for cars like ours.
When you
find cheapest, PLEASE write back (could use REPLY to this so all
numbers
reprinted but let us know cheapest so all info is in one message, or if
any
have gone out of service...I try to keep abreast of the latest/cheapest
this
way), and will try to send message like this occasionally for latest
summary
etc.
Jack Tertadian
millebi@kw.igs.net
wrote:
> I need new transfer case; mine blew; oil
> everywhere,
piece of case missing. What is reasonable
> price for 1991 Stealth TT
transfer case? Dealer price
> $2195.00 +3.8 hours = (USD)
$1463.00 = $1653.33.
> reply to
"Bill_Miller@manulife.com"
> Bill 91 TT "Old
Red"
------------------------------
end of rediculously long
post....
Dave
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 7 13:20:32 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id NAA08688
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:20:32 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
c1mailgw1.prontomail.com ([208.178.29.197])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id NAA08677
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:20:23 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from c2web01 (208.178.29.241) by c1mailgw1.prontomail.com
(NPlex 2.0.123) for stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:15:37
-0700
From: "Kevin Volkan" <kevin@3si.zzn.com>
Message-Id:
<199910071315054@kevin.3si.zzn.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:19:39
-0400
X-Priority: Normal
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=iso-8859-1
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: 92
VR4 Noise/Rattle Update
X-Mailer: Web Based Pronto
Mime-Version:
1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hi
Everyone,
I took the car to the mechanic and as near as he could tell the
noise is the throwout bearing, or something related to the clutch. He said not
to worry about it, but to replace it when its time to do the
clutch.
Which brings me to a question: which is your favorite aftermarket
clutch?
Also, anyone got a line on functional hood scoops to replace the
hood blisters? The only ones I could find were from BOZZ @ $425! This seems like
quite a bit of money for scoops made out of fiberglass. Perhaps if we could get
enough people from the group interested we could have scoop custom made out of
carbon fiber - seems to me I recall that there is a company doing this
somewhere. Anyone interested?
Kevin
3Si News and Events
http://www.3si.org
___________________________________________________________
Get
your own Web-based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 7 13:27:20 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id NAA08817
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:27:20 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
exchange1.bigcharts.com (exchange1.BigCharts.com [206.146.143.5])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id NAA08810
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:27:16 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id
<4BZPFDFZ>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 15:31:07 -0500
Message-ID:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F75BD@EXCHANGE1>
From: Matt A
Jannusch <MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: 92 VR4 Noise/Rattle
Update
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 15:31:05 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> I took the
car to the mechanic and as near as he could tell
> the noise is the
throwout bearing, or something related to
> the clutch. He said not to
worry about it, but to replace it
> when its time to do the
clutch.
Depending on how many miles are on your car, you might want to
consider doing the clutch sooner rather than later. As the throwout
bearing gets worse it'll put more pressure on the shaft that it rides on and may
start to wear grooves (or worse) in it. Of course, with the Getrag
trannies you can't get parts so you'd be looking at getting a new tranny.
:-(
-Matt
95 3000GT Spyder VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Thu Oct 7 13:33:10 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
NAA08893
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:33:10 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from spool.webzone.net (mta@mail.webzone.net
[205.219.23.67])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
NAA08886
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:33:07
-0700 (PDT)
Received: from benson ([208.165.100.69]) by
spool.webzone.net
(post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-12689) with SMTP id
AAA26255
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Thu, 7 Oct 1999 15:33:05 -0500
Message-ID:
<001601bf10fe$870bd360$10c9c9c9@benson>
From: "Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell" <benson@2015.com>
To: "3000GT
Mailing" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
upper stress bars?
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:59:55 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
I just called my performance shop on the sway bars (forgot to
yesterday, got
too busy :(. He used to get them from Suspension
Techniques, but checked
the latest catalog and saw that they weren't listed
anymore. So he called
and it seems they stoped making them for the
3000's :(. He said he's going
to check on some direct import stuff from
Japan and a few other sources, so
if he finds anything I'll let ya'll know
:).
Latufh fuh U,
Benson
benson@2015.com
"-Do
you ever have second thoughts?
-When do I ever have first
thoughts?"
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 7 13:33:56 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id NAA08954
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:33:56 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
dvn.com (devons2.dvn.com [206.41.136.98])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id NAA08947
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:33:53 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from DVNGATE-Message_Server by dvn.com
with
Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 07 Oct 1999 15:31:19 -0500
Message-Id:
<s7fcbcc7.048@dvn.com>
X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2
Date: Thu, 07
Oct 1999 15:31:11 -0500
From: "Ryan Floyd"
<FloydR@dvn.com>
To: kevin@3si.zzn.com,
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: 92 VR4 Noise/Rattle
Update
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=US-ASCII
Content-Disposition: inline
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
8bit
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.sirius.com
id NAA08948
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
I am so sure this has been done, but just and only just because I
thought for sure this had been done on mine I am going to post this reply.
Check the Tranny fluid level. I had this noise. I was told it was
throwout bearing, I figured they had done more than just listen. I was
told to replace it when the clutch needed it. In the meantime my tranny
developed a leak, or it had one the whole time, and decided to shell
itself. Which sucked because I already had the clutch bought. Please
check this. Trust me it might not be the throwout bearing. Also I had a
LUK clutch installed. Seems to have a little more bite than stock. I
was told Centerforce doesn't make one for our cars and I wish I had persisted a
little more.
MCSE/ASE
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 7 14:06:22 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id OAA09407
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:06:22 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
c1mailgw2.prontomail.com ([208.178.29.198])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id OAA09400
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:06:13 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from c2web01 (208.178.29.241) by c1mailgw2.prontomail.com
(NPlex 2.0.123); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:01:22 -0700
From: "Kevin
Volkan" <kevin@3si.zzn.com>
Message-Id:
<199910071400594@kevin.3si.zzn.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:05:17
-0400
X-Priority: Normal
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=iso-8859-1
To: FloydR@dvn.com
Subject: Re: Re: Team3S: 92 VR4
Noise/Rattle Update
CC: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
X-Mailer: Web Based
Pronto
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Thanks for the
advice. Actually this makes sense since the noise goes away 1. when the car gets
warm and 2. when I push in the clutch (ie disengage the gears). Doesn't the
throwout bearing usually make noise when the clutch is engaged and not the
reverse?
Kevin
3Si News and Events
http://www.3si.org
___________________________________________________________
Get
your own Web-based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 7 15:02:58 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id PAA10059
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 15:02:58 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mailhost.oeaa.com (mailhost.oeaa.com [216.103.199.12])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id PAA10052
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 15:02:55 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by mailhost.oeaa.com with Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
id <TZS6Y908>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:59:09
-0700
Message-ID:
<111D7AE95918D311A41D0060970F86E4424D20@mailhost.oeaa.com>
From: Luis
Interiano <Interian@oeaa.com>
To: "Stealth-3000gt (E-mail)"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Starter & Spark
Plug Question
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:59:08 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Gentlemen,
I
had my clutch replaced yesterday and the minute I started it on the lot
it
made a screeching noise. The noise only occurs when I start the
car. Are
our cars prone to faulty starters or is it something that goes
away as the
clutch gets worn in? My car does have 117,000 miles on it,
I suppose it
could be normal wear.
The second part of my
post:
While I was at the mechanics shop, I asked about changing the plugs
(NGK
silver platinum) and they quoted me $15.00 a plug. I find this
price very
excessive can any one explain why our plugs are so @#$#$%%
expensive? Is
there a better price with some other vendor?
Luis
G. Interiano
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 7 19:09:57 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id TAA12523
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:09:57 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
ro.com (IDENT:0@sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id TAA12516
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:09:53 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from sjiredff (tnt1-97-10.ro.com [208.134.97.10])
by
ro.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/RO-1.01) with SMTP id VAA24881;
Thu, 7 Oct 1999 21:09:23
-0500
Message-ID: <007401bf1131$7a1f3b00$0a6186d0@sjiredff>
From:
"Paul T. Golley" <ptgolley@ro.com>
To: "Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell"
<benson@2015.com>,
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Cc:
<stealth@starnet.dot.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: upper stress
bars?
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 21:04:32 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700
X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3612.1700
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
I have a '95 VR-4, and would love to have a bar between the
front
strur towers, but after looking under the hood with this in mind I
don't
see where one would fit. Does anyone know if such an item
exists?
Has anyone seen or heard of one?
Regards, ptg
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 7 20:24:33 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id UAA13138
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 20:24:33 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
ro.com (IDENT:0@sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id UAA13131
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 20:24:29 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from sjiredff (tnt1-97-10.ro.com [208.134.97.10])
by
ro.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/RO-1.01) with SMTP id WAA02076;
Thu, 7 Oct 1999 22:24:26
-0500
Message-ID: <019e01bf113b$f420dbc0$0a6186d0@sjiredff>
From:
"Paul T. Golley" <ptgolley@ro.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>, <stealth@starnet.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Back-Up Light Switch
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 22:19:36
-0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700
X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3612.1700
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
All-
Does anybody know how to get at the back-up
light
switch? Since I had a trans axel change (under
warranty), the
back-up lights haven't worked. The
fuse is good. The warranty has
expired, but I think
it should be covered since it happened while
warranty
repairs were being made. Right?
Regards,
ptg
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 7 21:46:07 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id VAA13828
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 21:46:07 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
Mail.austin.rr.com (sm2.texas.rr.com [24.93.35.55])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id VAA13821
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 21:46:01 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from bradley ([24.28.71.119]) by Mail.austin.rr.com
with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18);
Thu, 7 Oct 1999 23:39:45
-0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
To:
"Paul T. Golley" <ptgolley@ro.com>,
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Back-Up Light
Switch
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 23:49:29 -0500
Message-ID:
<LNBBICBDKNDOJAHLDNDDCENLEPAA.bbedell@austin.rr.com>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer:
Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)
X-MimeOLE: Produced By
Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300
In-Reply-To:
<019e01bf113b$f420dbc0$0a6186d0@sjiredff>
Importance: Normal
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
As you are
standing over the right front fender, find the transmission and
then the
shift linkage.
Move toward the passenger front side of the transmission.
You will find a
connector and socket for the reverse lights. Plug the
lose connector in the
socket and you'll be set.
Brad
Check out
my home page: http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
E-Mail:
bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ# 3612682
-----Original
Message-----
From:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On
Behalf Of Paul T. Golley
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 10:20 PM
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com; stealth@starnet.net
Subject: Team3S: Back-Up
Light Switch
All-
Does anybody know how to get at the back-up
light
switch? Since I had a trans axel change (under
warranty), the
back-up lights haven't worked. The
fuse is good. The warranty has
expired, but I think
it should be covered since it happened while
warranty
repairs were being made. Right?
Regards,
ptg
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Thu Oct 7 22:28:11 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
WAA14470
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 22:28:11 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail.rdc1.az.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.az.home.com
[24.1.240.66])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
WAA14463
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 22:27:52
-0700 (PDT)
Received: from cx85612a ([24.1.193.136]) by
mail.rdc1.az.home.com
(InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with
SMTP
id
<19991008052741.LPLA3313.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@cx85612a>
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Thu, 7 Oct 1999 22:27:41 -0700
Reply-To: <beking@home.com>
From:
"Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: upper stress
bars?
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 22:28:15 -0700
Message-ID:
<000f01bf114d$eb918600$88c10118@home.com>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer:
Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft
MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300
Importance: Normal
In-Reply-To:
<007401bf1131$7a1f3b00$0a6186d0@sjiredff>
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
The Bozz Speed
car of Japan has strut tower braces which run to the
firewall. With a
little rearranging of the cluttered mess on the firewall,
such a system would
not only be feasible, but would likely perform
extremely
well.
Barry
> -----Original
Message-----
>
> I have a '95 VR-4, and would love to have a bar
between the front
> strur towers, but after looking under the hood with
this in mind I don't
> see where one would fit. Does anyone know if
such an item exists?
> Has anyone seen or heard of one?
> Regards,
ptg
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 8 07:28:44 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id HAA18114
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 07:28:44 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
c1mailgw2.prontomail.com ([208.178.29.198])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id HAA18107
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 07:28:38 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from c2web08 (208.178.29.248) by c1mailgw2.prontomail.com
(NPlex 2.0.123) for stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 07:23:53
-0700
From: "Kevin Volkan" <kevin@3si.zzn.com>
Message-Id:
<199910080723265@kevin.3si.zzn.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:28:12
-0400
X-Priority: Normal
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=iso-8859-1
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S:
Further noise/rattle update
X-Mailer: Web Based Pronto
Mime-Version:
1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Sorry to go on
and on about this, but everyone has been most helpful...
After seeing the
posts yesterday I got worried about the trans fluid being low. So I took the car
in and had the fluid checked. It was full, but the mechanic said it was pretty
burnt up (it was supposedly changed in July with BG Synchro fluid - I can only
assume the shop that worked on the car 'forgot' to do the fluid change - I hope
they didn't forget anything else since they changed the timing belt, tensioner
and waterpump as well!). The transfer case fluid was fine. I had him replace the
fluid with new synthetic. The trans now shift notchier, but more precisely.
Of course the noise was still there this morning. It would seem that the
concensus at this point is that it is either the trans itself or the throwout
bearing or something related to the clutch.
Questions:
1. Will the
noisy throwout bearing wreck the trans? Seems to be some difference of opinion
on this.
2. What are the signs that the trans is giving up the ghost? Other
than the morning rattle, there is a slight, almost imperceptable whine in second
gear.
3. What is the beefed up Kormex trans and where can I get one and at
what cost?
4. Can good mechanic check the timing belt to see if it was
replaced properly w/o taking apart the engine to an expensive degree?
5.
Lastly (and I promise to shut up after this), can anyone recommend a great
mechanic in the Boston area?
Thanks again
Kevin
3Si News and
Events
http://www.3si.org
___________________________________________________________
Get
your own Web-based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 8 08:52:58 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id IAA19647
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:52:58 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
apollo.gat.com (apollo.gat.com [192.5.166.20])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id IAA19640
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:52:55 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from gat.com (middaugh@d3dtsa.gat.com
[192.150.242.240])
by apollo.gat.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id
IAA25117;
Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:52:28 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
<37FE133B.B4681A4B@gat.com>
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 08:52:27
-0700
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Organization:
General Atomics - Fusion Group
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; HP-UX
B.10.20 9000/730)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Kevin
Volkan <kevin@3si.zzn.com>
CC:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Further noise/rattle
update
References: <199910080723265@kevin.3si.zzn.com>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hi
Kevin,
> After seeing the posts yesterday I got worried about the
trans fluid being low. So I took the car in and had the fluid checked. It was
full, but the mechanic said it was pretty burnt up (it was supposedly changed in
July with BG Synchro fluid - I can only assume the shop that worked on the car
'forgot' to do the fluid change - I hope they didn't forget anything else since
they changed the timing belt, tensioner and waterpump as well!). The transfer
case fluid was fine. I had him replace the fluid with new synthetic. The trans
now shift notchier, but more precisely.
>
> Of course the noise was
still there this morning. It would seem that the concensus at this point is that
it is either the trans itself or the throwout bearing or something related to
the clutch.
>
Someone the other day posted an exceptional
description of this common problem.
I looked for it but I guess I already
deleted it.
My opionion is that this rattling noise is
caused by one or more bearings in the
tranny, not the throw-out (clutch
release) bearing. I have had the exact same
noise for 30K miles and it
has not become any worse. However the noise went
completely away once
when I replaced the tranny fluid (Redline MT-90 GL4) and
left the car jacked
up overnight. My guess is that being jacked up for an
extended amount
of time thoroughly saturated the offending bearing.
Unfortunately it was
temporary and the noise returned after a couple of days.
>
Questions:
snip
> 3. What is the beefed up Kormex trans and where can I
get one and at what cost?
MD Auto sells rebuilt Getrag tranny's and
transfer cases. See the included post
below.
I don't know if MD
truely has access to new synchros though. I do know that
they were NOT
interested in buying any synchro sets in Jack's latest
Getrag
purchase.
Good luck,
Ken
======== INCLUDE
========
Anyway I just called MD Auto, 619-390-0450, in San Diego to
follow up
with recent Getrag questions floating around. I spoke with
Mike for at
least 20 minutes and he is very friendly and helpful. MD
Auto as you
recall sells rebuilt Getrag transmissions and transfer cases and
also
sells some parts.
5 or 6 spd. rebuilt tranny & rebuilt
transfer case $2695
5 or 6 spd. rebuilt
tranny $2295
rebuilt transfer
case
$850
(refundable) core charge
$500
Tranny & transfer case have 12 month unlimited milage
warranty.
Only gears and synchros that are out of spec are
replaced. Yes he has
access to NEW SYNCHROS from a source in
Europe. He will not publically
confirm his source (but I'll tell you
that it is in a country that
starts with "G" - wink, wink).
He uses them in his rebuilds but he will
NOT SELL SYNCHROS for fear that his
source will stop providing him
access. New bearings, shaft, transfer
unit spool, and seals are used,
see below.
There is no problem
swapping a 5 for a 6 speed or a small shaft 5 spd
for a large shaft.
Interestingly, he said that the large shaft splines
come back in worse shape
than the small shafts. He said this is because
the small shaft's 18
splines are wider than the large shafts 25 splines,
so the thiner 25 splines
wear more. ???
His current stock is 1 6 spd. and 12 5 speeds.
Normally, you buy a
rebuilt and send him your old core. He doesn't
rebuild "your" tranny &
transfer case, he just swaps
them.
Now he also sells some parts:
Bearings, Timken from France, 8
total, better than OEM $225
Shafts, OEM
quality
$695 (ouch!)
Transfer spools, OEM quality $695 (double
ouch!)
OEM seals (6 total) for tranny & transfer case
$175
He also sells used gears & housings.
I asked him
about upgrading or using better than OEM quality parts. He
didn't sound
too optimistic from his "small shop" point of view.
Mike is a
Corvette man who began his affiliation with 3000GT/Stealth AWD
trannys when a
friend of his had Getrag problems. He also mentioned
that the ZF
tranny's in the Vette also have no parts availability and
they cost over
$7K.
====== END ======
--
Drive faster, it is later than you
think!
Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 8 13:54:45 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id NAA24213
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:54:45 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.swissonline.ch (mail.swissonline.ch [62.2.32.83])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id NAA24206
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:54:41 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from swissonline.ch (pop-ls-14-2-1-dialup-28.freesurf.ch
[194.230.228.28])
by mail.swissonline.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id
WAA24004
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 22:54:38
+0200 (MET DST)
Message-ID: <37FE59B8.59C788D8@swissonline.ch>
Date:
Fri, 08 Oct 1999 22:53:12 +0200
From: "R.G."
<robby@swissonline.ch>
Reply-To: robby@swissonline.ch
Organization:
Behind the frontier
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-QXW0310a (Win98;
I)
X-Accept-Language: de, en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Team 3S Tech List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Greddy Type S BOV or
just simple BOV question
References:
<37E67B10.137505CF@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I got the Greddy
Type S BOV (well more a BPV) today and during the installation
I found myself
in saying ... "why the heck does the thing have to vacuum ports"
??
I took the thing apart (yes, I take everything apart to find out
what's
inside, hehe) and I noticed that the second port goes to the intake
side of the
valve. But I just don't know what hose I should connect to the
port. Any ideas
??
Thanks,
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 8 14:08:12 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id OAA24384
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 14:08:12 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
srvusbrysys005.texas.econophone.com (mail.econophone.com
[207.141.122.130])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
OAA24377
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 14:08:09
-0700 (PDT)
Received: by texas.econophone.com with Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
id <421JA4J8>; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:08:08
-0500
Message-ID:
<F99F3F7C7049D211BC700008C7B1F0900318D223@texas.econophone.com>
From:
"Owens, Trent L." <Trent.Owens@destia.com>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Turbo Question..
Date:
Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:08:06 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail
Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Will TDO6 turbos
bolt on to our cars? If its not a direct bolt on would it
be possible
for an adapter to be fabricated to mate it?
Feel free to e-mail me
privately unless you feel its beneficial to the list.
Thanks for your
help!
Trent
'95 RT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 8 16:31:31 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
QAA25813
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:31:31 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from wichita.fn.net (root@wichita.fn.net [198.247.1.1])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id QAA25806
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:31:27 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from feist.com (fsict-tc5-37.fn.net [198.247.5.237])
by
wichita.fn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17008;
Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:31:22
-0500 (CDT)
Message-ID: <37FE7F05.5572D5A1@feist.com>
Date: Fri, 08
Oct 1999 18:32:22 -0500
From: Trevor James
<trevorlj@feist.com>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To:
robby@swissonline.ch
CC: Team 3S Tech List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Greddy Type S BOV
or just simple BOV question
References:
<37E67B10.137505CF@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
<37FE59B8.59C788D8@swissonline.ch>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I looked at the
Japanese instructions and it seems to me that the 90 degree port on
the
purple anodized section needs to be hooked up to the plenum. I think the
other one might
make a good source for current atmospheric
pressure.
Trevor
96 R/T TT
92 GMC Typhoon
"R.G."
wrote:
> I got the Greddy Type S BOV (well more a BPV) today and
during the installation
> I found myself in saying ... "why the heck
does the thing have to vacuum ports"
> ?? I took the thing apart
(yes, I take everything apart to find out what's
> inside, hehe) and I
noticed that the second port goes to the intake side of the
> valve. But I
just don't know what hose I should connect to the port. Any ideas
>
??
>
> Thanks,
> Roger
> 93'3000GT TT
> For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 8 18:09:07 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
SAA26884
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:09:07 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from motgate2.mot.com (motgate2.mot.com [136.182.1.10])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id SAA26877
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:09:04 -0700
(PDT)
Received: [from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by
motgate2.mot.com (MOT-motgate2 1.0) with ESMTP id UAA25130 for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 20:09:03 -0500
(CDT)]
Received: [from ilms06.cig.mot.com (ilms06.cig.mot.com
[136.182.15.18]) by pobox.mot.com (MOT-pobox 2.0) with ESMTP id UAA26265 for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 20:09:03 -0500
(CDT)]
Received: from email.mot.com ([199.5.169.34]) by
ilms06.cig.mot.com
(Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id
AAA2875
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Fri, 8 Oct 1999 20:09:00 -0500
Message-ID:
<37FE3686.2B5C4604@email.mot.com>
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 11:23:02
-0700
From: "Todd Schmalzried"
<Q11981@email.mot.com>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: stealth
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: black panter battery
question
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
A while back
someone said they bought a black panther battery. I was
wondering if that
person was still on the list. I am looking for
feedback on the performance of
the battery. How's it holding up, do you
ever have problems starting the car,
does it hold a charge if left to
sit for a couple weeks.... stuff like
that.
I need a new battery, and was thinking of getting one because of
the
size. Jegs carries them now under the name "Odyssey" (page 92
in the new
catalog). 150 for the small one and 200 for the big one. I
would
appreciate any real world feedback I can get before buying
that
expensive of a battery.
Thanks
Todd
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 8 18:23:39 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id SAA27013
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:23:39 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
Mail.austin.rr.com (sm2.texas.rr.com [24.93.35.55])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id SAA27006
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:23:17 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from bradley ([24.28.71.119]) by Mail.austin.rr.com
with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18);
Fri, 8 Oct 1999 20:16:52
-0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
To:
"Team3S List" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>,
<Brian@GTPRO.COM>
Subject: Team3S: Carbon Fiber hood
Date: Fri, 8
Oct 1999 20:26:54 -0500
Message-ID:
<LNBBICBDKNDOJAHLDNDDMEBDFAAA.bbedell@austin.rr.com>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer:
Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)
X-MimeOLE: Produced By
Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300
Importance: Normal
In-Reply-To:
<37D4438A.C1DA22B9@swissonline.ch>
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Today I received
my Carbon Fiber hood from Brian at GT- Pro.
While the finish is not
as perfect as the factory hood, it's the best damn
aftermarket body part I
have ever seen. I was very pleasantly surprised.
I'd suspect a nice
primer coat and block sanding and the hood will be ready
for paint
work. No more work than an OEM hood would require.
Brian
originally agreed to ship the hood COD, after the shipper said that
COD was
an additional 45.00, he just shipped it with the amount due.(I'll be
mailing
him a check) That's pretty good customer service in my
book.
I don't have fitment information yet, as I have not tried putting
it on the
car. I'll post those details later.
With the good, I
feel I must say the bad. The hood arrived about 8-10 days
late from the
original expected date. If any of you have been in
the
aftermarket automotive business, this is a very common problem.
Brian
stayed on top of the problem and kept me posted as to the exact
whereabouts
of the hood. Again, with the quality of the hood, I
am very pleased and
will continue to do business with GT-Pro.
More
information can be found at: www.gtpro.com
And Email Brian at:
brian@gtpro.com
Pictures of the hood can be found on the above site
also.
Brad
Check out my home page:
http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#
3612682
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 8 18:25:11 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id SAA27126
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:25:11 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
Mail.austin.rr.com (sm2.texas.rr.com [24.93.35.55])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id SAA27119
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:25:06 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from bradley ([24.28.71.119]) by Mail.austin.rr.com
with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18);
Fri, 8 Oct 1999 20:18:51
-0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
To:
"Team3S List" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject:
Team3S: RPS Clutch Update.
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 20:28:53
-0500
Message-ID:
<LNBBICBDKNDOJAHLDNDDOEBEFAAA.bbedell@austin.rr.com>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer:
Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)
X-MimeOLE: Produced By
Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300
Importance: Normal
In-Reply-To:
<37D4438A.C1DA22B9@swissonline.ch>
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Okay, those of
you interested in the Turbo Carbon Clutch.
August 27 I wrote a letter
and shipped my defective TCC to Rob at RPS.
I followed up September
~30th. They had no history of the letter I
enclosed, Rob
had no recollection of my check he promised (for my
troubles) and
seemed to have no real idea of the entire conversation we had
had a month
prior.
Rob and I had agreed to have the clutch and a check sent to me
with in a
week of the time he received the clutch. We also
agreed to have the
clutch checked for proper pressure and send me a new one,
not a rebuilt. It
read ~2700lbs on the pressure plate. The
new/other clutches he has read
~2950. He had my old pressure
plate boxed up and ready to send to me,
knowing that it was over 200lbs
lighter than the other clutches.
As it stands, the clutch is on its way,
and will be here the 12th. I am
fully expecting to see my
old pressure plate, with no check enclosed. I
will post details when I
receive the clutch.
I am still very unhappy, and will never use/recommend
or purchase a RPS
clutch again.
With that being said, does anyone want
to purchase a new RPS turbo carbon
claw clutch? I'll sell it at the
best price the "Group buy saw" I'll even
ship it for
that price.
Brad
Check out my home page:
http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#
3612682
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 8 20:39:12 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id UAA28326
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 20:39:12 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id UAA28319
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 20:39:09 -0700
(PDT)
From: Topofwrld1@aol.com
Received: from Topofwrld1@aol.com
by
imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id uHVUa29648 (2616)
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 23:38:47 -0400
(EDT)
Message-ID: <0.b33e7ca0.253012c6@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Oct
1999 23:38:46 EDT
Subject: Re: Team3S: black panter battery question
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: AOL
4.0 for Windows 95 sub 246
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
In a message
dated 10/8/99 7:09:40 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
Q11981@email.mot.com
writes:
<< A while back someone said they bought a black panther
battery. I was
wondering if that person was still on the list. I am looking
for
feedback on the performance of the battery. How's it holding up, do
you
ever have problems starting the car, does it hold a charge if left
to
sit for a couple weeks.... stuff like that.
I need a new battery,
and was thinking of getting one because of the
size. Jegs carries them now
under the name "Odyssey" (page 92 in the new
catalog). 150 for the
small one and 200 for the big one. I would
appreciate any real world feedback
I can get before buying that
expensive of a battery.
>>
I installed the smaller Black Panther Preditor 2 - 3 years ago
and it has
worked great. Not a speck of corrosion and starts real good
after sitting
for 2 - 3 weeks. I got the optional hold down clamp and picked
up a couple of
J bolts at Pep Boys and it was a bolt in. If you don't
get the clamp you
will need to fabricate something. It is real light and
opens up the sight
lines down to the clutch slave cylinder area.
Dennis
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 9 01:32:09 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id BAA00649
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 01:32:09 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id BAA00635
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 01:32:03 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from roger (194.230.192.18) by newmail.spectraweb.ch; 9 Oct
1999 10:28:30 +0200
Message-ID:
<005601bf1230$8e5f3e80$12c0e6c2@roger>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "stealth"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<37FE3686.2B5C4604@email.mot.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: black panter
battery question
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 10:13:40 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
I recently installed a red-top Optima battery. It is also smaller
than the
original one and it works very well. With two small blocks of wood I
was
able to use the same brackets to hold it in place. I'm very happy with
it
and the new series is even stronger but the same price as before (850
old,
1050 new)
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sat Oct 9 01:32:10 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
BAA00658
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 01:32:10 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch
[194.158.230.44])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
BAA00637
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 01:32:04
-0700 (PDT)
Received: from roger (194.230.192.18) by newmail.spectraweb.ch; 9
Oct 1999 10:28:32 +0200
Message-ID:
<005801bf1230$8f28a900$12c0e6c2@roger>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<F99F3F7C7049D211BC700008C7B1F0900318D223@texas.econophone.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Turbo Question..
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 10:20:49
+0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
I for myself would say that TD06 only stands for the compressor
wheel
housing type and doesn't say what is on the turbine side. But I may
be
wrong. For the comrpessor wheel housing, it is important the front turbo
has
an angeled outlet like the stock TD04 housing. Otherwise it may touch
the
motor mount in the front or anything else must be done
differently.
For the exhaust manifold, all hybrid turbos with the same
turbine housing
fit our cars and are direct bolt ons. I know of others that
need other oil
return lines due to their design. An adapter cannot be made as
space is a
luxury we just don't have :(
Hope this helps a
little,
Roger
93'3000GT TT
> Will TDO6 turbos bolt on to our
cars? If its not a direct bolt on would
it
> be possible for an
adapter to be fabricated to mate it?
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sat Oct 9 11:14:10 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
LAA06100
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 11:14:10 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from burgoyne.com (burgoyne.com [209.197.0.8])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id LAA06093
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 11:14:07 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from p9u2n5 (ip147.redrock.net [209.197.11.147])
by
burgoyne.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA23237
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:14:06
-0600
Message-ID: <000801bf1281$825430e0$930bc5d1@p9u2n5>
From:
"CEskelsen" <cesk@redrock.net>
To: "3000 list"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Octane Boost
Date:
Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:10:02 -0600
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
multipart/alternative;
boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF124F.36E72EA0"
X-Priority:
3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express
5.00.2014.211
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2014.211
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
This is a multi-part message in MIME
format.
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF124F.36E72EA0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
quoted-printable
Are octane boosters worth the 3 to 7 dollars a
pop? I have been using =
the 104+ brand and tried the NOS brand with my
fill-up last night. I =
apologize for "Off-Topic" chatter,
but didn't want 300 responses from =
the starnet list.
Thanks,
Cory
96 R/T
TT
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF124F.36E72EA0
Content-Type:
text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
quoted-printable
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0
Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META
content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1"
=
http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
<META content=3D"MSHTML
5.00.2014.210"
name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY
bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Zurich BT">Are
octane boosters worth the 3 to 7 =
dollars a=20
pop? I have been
using the 104+ brand and tried the NOS brand with =
my=20
fill-up last
night. I apologize for "Off-Topic" chatter, but =
didn't
want=20
300 responses from the starnet
list.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks,
Cory</DIV>
<DIV>96 R/T
TT</DIV></BODY></HTML>
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF124F.36E72EA0--
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 9 12:38:46 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id MAA07268
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:38:46 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id MAA07261
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:38:42 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from roger (194.230.231.156) by newmail.spectraweb.ch; 9 Oct
1999 21:35:06 +0200
Message-ID:
<000a01bf128d$adb25ee0$9ce7e6c2@roger>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "3000 list"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<000801bf1281$825430e0$930bc5d1@p9u2n5>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Octane
Boost
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 21:36:06 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
I used some of the boosters Jim brougth me down during my test runs.
But I
haven't seen any lowering in knock. If a brand claims to increase 2
points
people on the DSM list found out that this probably means 0.x octane
points.
Therefore if you run with 93 octane and use a booster that increases
7
points you are getting only 93.7 octane.
In my point of view it is
ok for the trakc if no high octane fuel is
available but this stuff has so
many other things in it that I'd say not
using over the long
term.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
PS: Please switch off HTML as the mail
server doesn't like the format.
Thanks.
> Are octane boosters worth
the 3 to 7 dollars a pop? I have been using the
104+ brand
> and
tried the NOS brand with my fill-up last night. I apologize
for
"Off-Topic" chatter, but
> didn't want 300 responses from
the starnet list.
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 9 13:28:46 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id NAA07885
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 13:28:46 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail4.sirius.com (mail4.sirius.com [205.134.253.134])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id NAA07878
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 13:28:42 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from forrest (ppp-sfx202--112.sirius.net
[205.134.229.112])
by mail4.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id
NAA20482
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 13:28:41
-0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
<002c01bf1294$dfab0490$70e586cd@forrest.sirius.com>
From: "Bob
Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
To: "Team3S"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Octane
Boost
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 13:28:26 -0700
X-Priority:
3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express
4.72.2106.4
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
-----Original
Message-----From: CEskelsen <cesk@redrock.net>
Are octane boosters
worth the 3 to 7 dollars a pop? I have been
using the 104+ brand and
tried the NOS brand with my fill-up last
night. I apologize for
"Off-Topic" chatter, but didn't want 300
responses from the starnet
list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The
'octane boost' products simply make your current gas 'fire' at a
later point
in the combustion cycle. AFAIK, there are 'good' ways
and 'bad' ways to
do this, but I don't know enough to venture what
they are. I've just
been told (some time ago) to stay away from
them in high performance
engines... But there could be newer
products that are
harmless...
Best,
Forrest
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sat Oct 9 14:48:51 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
OAA08530
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:48:51 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc2.occa.home.com
[24.2.8.66])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
OAA08523
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:48:48
-0700 (PDT)
Received: from cx221247a ([24.8.141.25]) by
mail.rdc2.occa.home.com
(InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with
SMTP
id
<19991009214847.EJNA8538.mail.rdc2.occa.home.com@cx221247a>;
Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:48:47 -0700
Message-ID:
<002b01bf129f$7842b180$198d0818@msnv1.occa.home.com>
From: "Jim
Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
To: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>, "stealth"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<37FE3686.2B5C4604@email.mot.com>
<005601bf1230$8e5f3e80$12c0e6c2@roger>
Subject: Re: Team3S: black
panter battery question
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:44:31 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> I recently installed a red-top Optima battery. It
is also smaller than the
> original one and it works very well. With two
small blocks of wood I was
> able to use the same brackets to hold it in
place. I'm very happy with it
> and the new series is even stronger but
the same price as before (850 old,
> 1050
new)
===============================================
850 vs. 1050 What
????? ---- I sure as hell hope your talking Russian
Rubles or Zambia
Kwachas'.
Jim berry
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 9 15:17:15 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id PAA08779
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:17:15 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id PAA08771
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:16:46 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from roger (194.230.228.251) by newmail.spectraweb.ch; 10 Oct
1999 00:12:47 +0200
Message-ID:
<001101bf12a3$b4f22300$fbe4e6c2@roger>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "stealth"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<37FE3686.2B5C4604@email.mot.com>
<005601bf1230$8e5f3e80$12c0e6c2@roger>
<002b01bf129f$7842b180$198d0818@msnv1.occa.home.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: black panter battery question
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 00:14:49
+0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> 850 vs. 1050 What ????? ---- I sure as hell hope your talking
Russian
> Rubles or Zambia Kwachas'.
Part No. of course
!
It's probably cheaper than the panter and it is spiral cell gel
battery. The
old style was able to deliver 850 Amps for a short time
!
// Roger
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 9 16:15:48 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id QAA09467
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:15:48 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id QAA09459
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:15:30 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from roger (194.230.234.183) by newmail.spectraweb.ch; 10 Oct
1999 01:11:34 +0200
Message-ID:
<002001bf12ab$eb5b4cc0$fbe4e6c2@roger>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "3000 list"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<000801bf1281$825430e0$930bc5d1@p9u2n5>
Subject: Team3S: Ignition
testing update
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 01:13:30 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Some weeks ago I got a "New Volt" ignition amplifier from
B&M for free to
test it on my car. The aim was/is to eliminate the need
of regapping the
plugs under high boost. Even more it should add more power
to the existing
system to burn the additional fuel we
give.
Unfortunately, even with a gap of 0.032 the hesitation around 5000
and up is
still noticeable as well as measurable and is showed on the dyno
slip. The
New Volt simply was connected into the harness going to the coils
and
increases the voltage from 12 to 20V. Even more, the current sent
through
the coils can reach 2 Amps per fire compared to about 0.05 Amps
normally.
The results were ... zero. I felt the hesitation was lower but
a second run
without the box gave the same result and therefore the box did
nothing.
Therefore the increased voltage and current (equals power in watt)
didn't
increased the energy in the coils.
At the beginning, Magnecor
was blamed for the comparable high resistance of
the wires. But Magnecore
assured me that they can deliver everything to the
plug what the B&M is
able to deliver but who know for sure ! As I do not
have set of any other
manufacturer handy I may believe them. Later the fuel
system was blamed to be
the problem as the power always came back after a
few hundered rpm and an
ignition problem may stay. I was told this is a fuel
starvation but changing
the amount of fuel with the AFC did not changed
anything. Then I was told the
fuel pump may loose pressure but I already
installed a larger Denso pump and
if this woudl be a problem, I'm sure it
will even raise at higher
rpm.
During the many conversations with the development manager at
B&M I
mentioned that I feel the power transistors that switch and
activate the
coils may limit the current that can be drawn by the coils.
Finally B&M came
up with the same assumption and decided to check their
design. I then have
drawn a schematic diagram that provides a very simply
bolt-on solution to
the existing ignition system but I've just forgot
anything about power
transistors :-( But B&M and I are working on that.
The final solution may
consists of the universal B&M New Volt and a small
additional 3S specific
box that is able to deliver the necessary power. Maybe
only this little box
will solve many problems and cost would be very little.
Often the easiest
solution are the best one ... but we'll see.
During
the daily driving tests I started to notice the tach was bouncing
with the NV
installed. This means that running on the autobahn at 3000 the
tach
immediatly jumped to 3200 and back to 3000. Then everything was ok for
some
monites and then within several seconds it jumped between 2800, 3000
and
3200. Also it never happend above 3500. Looking at the schematic
diagrams I
noticed that there is another el. element together with the power
transistors
in the same plug (located below the coil pack). It seems that
increasing the
voltage saturates this gate and results in the jumping tach
as the output
signal was out of its range. Disconnecting the NV helped. B&M
is now
installign a better filter on the outlet as they think the
switching
frequency of the voltage regulator may also be responsible for the
problem.
Ok, I may summarize everything: We are in the middle of
developing an easy
but more powerful ignition for our cars. This does not
anything to the
timing but it should increase the power to the plugs. The
result will be the
benefit of running plugs gapped to 0.045 with enough
energy for a fast
travel of the spark. Increasing bosot and fuel results in a
higher
electrical resistance in the plug gap and therefore spark travels
slower.
This is why we have to regap them on higher boost, but the drawback
is a
weaker idle, lower mileage and .. less power out of the fuel because
less
fuel can be burnt. The B&M New Volt increased voltage but the stock
system
is not able to benefit of it so no gain was found. I t even added a
light
problem but a solution is not far. I hope to be able to test a solution
in
the next weeks.
Anyone who has good experience in fast switching
power transistors please
speak up ;-)
More
soon...
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sat Oct 9 18:40:24 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
SAA10582
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 18:40:24 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com
[24.4.0.67])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
SAA10549
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 18:40:18
-0700 (PDT)
Received: from c41552a ([24.4.50.244]) by
news.rdc1.tx.home.com
(InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with
SMTP
id
<19991010014016.PTYS16965.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@c41552a>
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Sat, 9 Oct 1999 18:40:16 -0700
Message-ID:
<019e01bf12c1$129b77f0$f4320418@grlnd1.tx.home.com>
From:
"Jeff" <spydervr4@home.com>
To: "Sirius"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<000801bf1281$825430e0$930bc5d1@p9u2n5>
<002001bf12ab$eb5b4cc0$fbe4e6c2@roger>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Ignition
testing update
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 20:45:03 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
This is not surprising. In the November 1999 issue of Sport
Compact Car
magazine, Road Race Engineering in California tested a New Volt
on an Eagle
Talon, which has a very similar ignition to our own. They
didn't publish
any dyno charts, but said that it picked up a little power (on
the dyno) in
the mid RPM range but lost power in the high range. They
attributed it to a
faulty unit or incompatibility with the Eclipse's ignition
system and will
try again in the future.
jeff
'95 Mitsubishi Spyder
VR-4
'90 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
----- Original Message
-----
From: R.G. <robby@freesurf.ch>
To: 3000 list
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 1999 6:13
PM
Subject: Team3S: Ignition testing update
> The results were
... zero. I felt the hesitation was lower but a second
run
> without
the box gave the same result and therefore the box did nothing.
>
Therefore the increased voltage and current (equals power in watt)
didn't
> increased the energy in the coils.
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 9 23:11:08 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id XAA12639
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 23:11:08 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
burgoyne.com (burgoyne.com [209.197.0.8])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id XAA12632
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 23:11:05 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from p9u2n5 (ip156.redrock.net [209.197.11.156])
by
burgoyne.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA12504
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 00:11:03
-0600
Message-ID: <000501bf12e5$adca72c0$9c0bc5d1@p9u2n5>
From:
"CEskelsen" <cesk@redrock.net>
To: "3000 list"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: BOV
Date: Sun, 10
Oct 1999 00:07:04 -0600
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2014.211
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Please recommend an aftermarket BOV. I'm considering a
Blitz.
Thanks,
Cory Eskelsen
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sat Oct 9 23:32:52 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
XAA12828
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 23:32:52 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from m3.boston.juno.com (m3.boston.juno.com
[205.231.100.198])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
XAA12821
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 23:32:49
-0700 (PDT)
Received: (from sjc0u812@juno.com)
by m3.boston.juno.com
(queuemail) id ENJ3G6UX; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 02:32:11 EDT
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 01:34:00
-0500
Subject: Team3S: HKS Sponges Cleaning Report
Message-ID:
<19991010.013528.-87219.0.sjc0u812@juno.com>
X-Mailer: Juno
3.0.11
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Juno-Line-Breaks:
0-1,5-6,10-11,15-16,20-21,24-25,31-36
X-Juno-Att: 0
X-Juno-RefParts:
0
From: Scott J Cowan <sjc0u812@juno.com>
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Gentlemen:
All this talk of how poorly the HKS filters
performed on the test page
had me wondering. I've even asked a few
colleagues what they felt about
switching from the HKS Dual Mega Flow and
obtaining a paper filter FIPK.
Here's my findings....
I installed the
HKS in February, on Sunday whence the temperature stayed
above 50 for an hour
(not often here in sunny, warm, subtropical
Wisconsin). I opted for the
purple filters, strictly because I didn't
like the green. ;-)
I
was figuring on replacing them in one year's time, but again, all the
talk, I
found myself taking them apart yesterday morning. I was amazed
to find
NOTHING on the inner workings of the unit. I even tried a clean
rag,
paper towel, and facial tissue. NADA.
I washed the sponges with
Dawn (no, not her, the dishwahsing liquid), and
God blessed us with 75 and
sunny day here. They were dry real fast. I
let them lay out all
afternoon, to be sure, as a true sun worshipper
shall.
They went back
in fine, and to my surprise, I felt much of the original
coating afterwards,
and coved them slightly engine oil as a fellow
colleague indicated HKS
recommended. They are back in now.
Observations: I have the
older style unit. Where the "clamps" or clips
are reflected a
dirt band that did not come out with wahsing, but only
color
wise. Inspection in the sun showed equal pores across the
entire
sponge. Don't try this at home. Beyond that, they went
back in almost
easier than when new. Not as pristine, but I feel this
will be more than
adequate until next spring whence I fork over the $40 for
the new ones.
My cleaner 2hp.
Hope you're all having a good
weekend, best regards, and Hakuna
Mattata,
Scott
___________________________________________________________________
Get
the Internet just the way you want it.
Free software, free e-mail, and free
Internet access for a month!
Try Juno Web:
http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sun Oct 10 04:22:36 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
EAA14683
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 04:22:36 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail.swissonline.ch (mail.swissonline.ch
[62.2.32.83])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
EAA14676
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 10 Oct 1999
04:22:28 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from swissonline.ch
(pop-zh-7-dialup-100.freesurf.ch [194.230.206.100])
by mail.swissonline.ch
(8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07948
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:22:01 +0200 (MET
DST)
Message-ID: <38007681.238E191@swissonline.ch>
Date: Sun, 10 Oct
1999 13:20:33 +0200
From: "R.G."
<robby@swissonline.ch>
Reply-To: robby@swissonline.ch
Organization:
Behind the frontier
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-QXW0310a (Win98;
I)
X-Accept-Language: de, en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: 3000 list
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
BOV
References:
<000501bf12e5$adca72c0$9c0bc5d1@p9u2n5>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> Please
recommend an aftermarket BOV. I'm considering a Blitz.
I just
installed a Greddy Type S BOV. Together with the 1st gen DSM flange the
thing
is a simply replacement for the stock valve and also vents back to
the
intake. The sound is very noticeable (not annoying) with an aftermarket
filter
installed. The problematic adjusting is no issue as it does vent back
and the
stumble noticed with other BOV that vents to the atmosphere is not
there. I can
recommend it as it works perfect :)
Roger
93'3000GT
TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 10 07:27:49 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id HAA15987
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 07:27:49 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.swissonline.ch (mail.swissonline.ch [62.2.32.83])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id HAA15980
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 07:27:45 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from swissonline.ch (pop-zh-6-dialup-131.freesurf.ch
[194.230.205.131])
by mail.swissonline.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id
QAA08069
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 10 Oct 1999
16:27:43 +0200 (MET DST)
Message-ID:
<380078E5.A0624AB3@swissonline.ch>
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:30:45
+0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Reply-To:
robby@swissonline.ch
Organization: Behind the frontier
X-Mailer: Mozilla
4.6 [en]C-QXW0310a (Win98; I)
X-Accept-Language: de,
en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: 3000 list
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Greddy Turbo exhaust
manifold
References:
<000501bf12e5$adca72c0$9c0bc5d1@p9u2n5>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Trust power in
Japan has them listed
!!
http://www.trust-power.com/search/mitsubishi/gto.html
But price
is about $2000 :((
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 10 10:20:02 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id KAA17867
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:20:02 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
hotmail.com (law2-f273.hotmail.com [216.32.180.197])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id KAA17854
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:19:59 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (qmail 77793 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 1999 17:19:38
-0000
Message-ID: <19991010171938.77792.qmail@hotmail.com>
Received:
from 63.11.42.214 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP;
Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:19:36
PDT
X-Originating-IP: [63.11.42.214]
From: "Curt Gendron"
<curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: black panter battery
question
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 12:19:36 CDT
Mime-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hey
Todd,
Myself and Matt Jannusch are the ones with the black panther
batteries. We
used them so we would have room to mount our water
injection tanks. I have
some pictures
at:
http://mn3s.org/wi3.jpg
http://mn3s.org/wi4.jpg
http://mn3s.org/wi5.jpg
I
believe Jegs carries both Odessey and Black Panther. I'm sure you'll get
a better price at Jegs, then where I got mine from. It is a nice
battery
and it is holding up well. I might even stick in my Eclipse
this winter. A
Minnesota winter would be the true test.
;)
I would not worry about the performance of the Black Panther
batteries.
Optima makes a new smaller battery too. You can't go
wrong with either
one.
later,
Curt
http://www.mn3s.org
>From:
"Todd Schmalzried" <Q11981@email.mot.com>
>To: stealth
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
>Subject: Team3S: black panter
battery question
>Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 11:23:02 -0700
>
>A
while back someone said they bought a black panther battery. I
was
>wondering if that person was still on the list. I am looking
for
>feedback on the performance of the battery. How's it holding up, do
you
>ever have problems starting the car, does it hold a charge if left
to
>sit for a couple weeks.... stuff like that.
>
>I need a
new battery, and was thinking of getting one because of the
>size. Jegs
carries them now under the name "Odyssey" (page 92 in the
new
>catalog). 150 for the small one and 200 for the big one. I
would
>appreciate any real world feedback I can get before buying
that
>expensive of a battery.
>
>Thanks
>Todd
>For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
>http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
______________________________________________________
Get
Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sun Oct 10 12:33:49 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
MAA19127
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 12:33:49 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from wiesbaden.netsurf.de (nero.wiesbaden.netsurf.de
[194.163.168.140])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id
MAA19120
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 10 Oct 1999
12:33:45 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from wiesbaden.netsurf.de by
wiesbaden.netsurf.de with esmtp
(Smail3.2.0.95 #28) id m11aOqF-001lfWC; Sun,
10 Oct 1999 20:41:11 +0100 (MET)
Message-ID:
<3800F745.E011E7FC@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999
21:29:57 +0100
From: Matthews
<matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en,ja
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Team 3S Tech List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
BOV
References: <000501bf12e5$adca72c0$9c0bc5d1@p9u2n5>
<38007681.238E191@swissonline.ch>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
"R.G."
wrote:
>
> I just installed a Greddy Type S BOV. Together with the
1st gen DSM flange the
> thing is a simply replacement for the stock valve
and also vents back to the
> intake. The sound is very noticeable (not
annoying) with an aftermarket filter
> installed. The problematic
adjusting is no issue as it does vent back and the
> stumble noticed with
other BOV that vents to the atmosphere is not there. I can
> recommend it
as it works perfect :)
No stumble? I have yet to eliminate the
stumble caused by the Blitz,
even with the adjustment screw all the way in
(but I'll take the stumble
over the hooting resonance it eliminated, thank
you very much!). Not
sure why it happens, as the BOV should be
completely closed when the
stumble occurs (1 second after getting off the
throttle)...
-Jim
--
Jim Matthews - Wiesbaden,
Germany
matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (64 Kbps
ISDN)
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews
*** 3000GT-Stealth
International (3Si) Member #0030
***
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews/stealth.html
Jet Black '94
Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension,
Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 72%
BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark
plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
Metal Matrix brake pads, custom braided
brake lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 168mph
G-Tech
Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 406 SAE
HP, 354 lb-ft torque
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 10 13:35:10 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id NAA19961
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:35:10 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET (cedar-rapids.net [206.24.60.1])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id NAA19954
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:35:08 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from c440759-a.cdrrpd1.ia.home.com ([24.10.221.131]) by
CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET
with SMTP (IPAD 2.5/64) id 3715800 ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999
15:32:39 -0500
Message-Id:
<3.0.5.32.19991010153007.0085e420@cedar-rapids.net>
X-Sender:
merritt@cedar-rapids.net
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5
(32)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:30:07 -0500
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
From: Merritt
<merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: off-topic:
Fiero
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Sorry about the
off-topic, but youse guys are the only ones who might have
an
answer.
My son and I are going to Elkhart Lake this weekend for a
driver's school
and hot lapping.
He has an 88 Fiero V6 automatic with
100,000 well-maintained miles on it,
uprated springs, and Comp T/A tires. It
runs pretty good, although it tends
to use a little oil. He ran about 25 hot
laps at the Marshalltown go-kart
track (0.70 mile, about a 55 mph average
lap) two weeks ago with no problems.
He'll be running 20-minute sessions
with top speeds of 125+, braking hard
at the end of three 1-mile
straights.
We put Porterfield R4 pads on the front with stock
rotors.
Question: Is there ANYTHING about a Fiero we should be
watching for?
Will the brakes hold up?
Will the engine
overheat?
Will the automatic trans hold up?
Does it loop if you
lift?
Anything else about which we should be aware?
Rich/old poop/94
VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 10 15:36:08 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id PAA21264
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:36:08 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id PAA21257
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:36:04 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from rg (194.230.200.69) by newmail.spectraweb.ch; 11 Oct
1999 00:32:23 +0200
Message-ID:
<000901bf136f$9c154340$45c8e6c2@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "Team 3S Tech List"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<000501bf12e5$adca72c0$9c0bc5d1@p9u2n5>
<38007681.238E191@swissonline.ch>
<3800F745.E011E7FC@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
BOV
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:34:05 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> No stumble? I have yet to eliminate the stumble caused by
the Blitz,
> even with the adjustment screw all the way in (but I'll take
the stumble
> over the hooting resonance it eliminated, thank you very
much!).
Also the "goose" has left my engine bay :) But the big
difference is still
that the Greddy vents back to the intake while, AFAIK,
your setup uses the
stock BPV as well as the Blitz BOV in parallel venting to
the atmosphere.
> Not sure why it happens, as the BOV should be
completely closed when the
> stumble occurs (1 second after getting off
the throttle)...
The hard spring closes the BOV very quick, maybe too
quick, what maybe
causes the stock BPV to open again. Also pressure may be
relieved but the
turbos still are spooling and when the valve is closed again
they still pump
up some boost. A good idea would be to hook up the boost
gauge temporarily
to the y-pipe outlet to see how boost
acts.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sun Oct 10 20:41:11 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
UAA24253
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 20:41:11 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from pclink.com (root@mail.pclink.com [204.72.134.12])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id UAA24246
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 20:41:07 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from logikit (pm6-21 [206.11.2.93])
by pclink.com
(8.9.2/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA08973
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:40:53 -0500
(CDT)
Message-ID: <00ed01bf139a$0171f4c0$67010bce@logikit>
From:
"Oskar" <swede@pclink.com>
To: "Team 3S"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Road racing - Cracked
rotor and brake pad failure
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:37:54
-0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
multipart/alternative;
boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00EA_01BF1370.17D28240"
X-Priority:
3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express
5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
This is a multi-part message in MIME
format.
------=_NextPart_000_00EA_01BF1370.17D28240
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
quoted-printable
On Saturday the Minnesota chapter of 3Si went to
Brainerd International =
Raceway (BIR) for a drivers school and hot
lapping. A few of us =
participated and many came to watch the
action. It was the first time I =
took the Stealth out on a road
course.
The track is almost 3 miles long and has 10 turns. The back
straight is =
long enough to where I consistently reached speeds of 135-140
mph. I =
felt that I came well prepared with Stillen cross drilled
rotors, =
stainless brake lines and Metal Matrix pads at all four
corners. I also =
brought along my old stock rotors. This turned
out to be a blessing. =
Thanks Curt Gendron for insisting that I bring
them!
I know that a few people have had problems with the cross drilled
=
rotors. Being that these people are die hard road racers and I a
novice =
I did not foresee any problems with the cross drilleds. This
proved to =
be incorrect. On my second session of the day I entered
turn four under =
heavy braking when I felt a very distinct snap and then the
braking =
power was severely reduced. I was able to bring the car down
to a slow =
pace and then drive off the course. Upon closer inspection
I found that =
the right front rotor had totally freed itself from the
hub. Not only =
that, the hub had a large stress crack running
about 1/3 of the way =
around the outer edge. =20
After having
replaced the failed rotor with one of my old stock rotors I =
again took to
the course. At the last session of the day it was time =
for the other
front corner to develop problems. Going into turn 10 (90 =
degree
right) I got on the brakes to bring the car down from about 100 =
mph.
Suddenly the brakes gave away and then the right front temporarily =
locked
up. I eased up on the brakes and coming into the banked corner =
too
fast I decided to go low rather than go high and potentially go off =
the
course into the tower. I got into a slide and soon enough it got =
the
better of me and I spun about 150 degrees and came to a stop. I
=
quickly got the car off the course and then checked how my wife was
=
doing. She said she was done riding for the day. Just as well,
it =
turned out that the surface material was entirely gone on the left inner
=
side, and almost all gone on the outer side.
These pads appeared to
have had about 1/3 of the material left prior top =
going out on this last
run. Upon inspecting the remains it seems that =
the entire friction
material had come loose and just broke away. Is =
this typical??
How far down should one let the pads go when driving a =
road course?
=20
All in all I was very happy with this experience and I will
definitely =
do this again next year. I will come prepared with better
brakes and =
probably Merrit's brake duct design incorporated into the
Stealth's =
front end. I will also not hesitate to take the time to
install a set =
of BRAND new pads before going onto the course. I find
it alarming that =
the brakes gave out twice in one day. It makes for
some uneasy feelings =
about coming into certain corners.
I got a gift
cert. for CarboTech pads for placing in the DSM shootout =
autocross.
Does anyone have experience with these? Are they worth
=
trying?
Oskar
'95 R/T TT
E-mail me privately if interested
in a pic of the cracked
rotor.
------=_NextPart_000_00EA_01BF1370.17D28240
Content-Type:
text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
quoted-printable
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0
Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META
content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1"
=
http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
<META content=3D"MSHTML
5.00.2614.3401"
name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY
bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>On Saturday the
Minnesota chapter of 3Si went =
to Brainerd=20
International
Raceway (BIR) for a drivers school and hot lapping. =
A few
of=20
us participated and many came to watch the action. It was the
=
first time I=20
took the Stealth out on a road
course.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2>The track is almost 3 miles long and has 10 =
turns.
The=20
back straight is long enough to where I consistently reached speeds of
=
135-140=20
mph. I felt that I came well prepared with Stillen
cross drilled =
rotors,=20
stainless brake lines and Metal Matrix pads at
all four corners. I =
also=20
brought along my old stock
rotors. This turned out to be a =
blessing. =20
Thanks
Curt Gendron for insisting that I bring
them!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2>I know that a few people have had problems with the
=
cross=20
drilled rotors. Being that these people are die hard
road racers =
and I a=20
novice I did not foresee any problems with the
cross drilleds. =
This proved=20
to be incorrect. On
my second session of the day I entered turn =
four under=20
heavy braking
when I felt a very distinct snap and then the braking =
power
was=20
severely reduced. I was able to bring the car down to a slow
pace =
and then=20
drive off the course. Upon closer inspection
I found that the =
right front=20
rotor had totally freed itself from the
hub. Not only that, the =
hub =20
had a large stress
crack running about 1/3 of the way around the outer=20
edge.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2>After having replaced the failed rotor with one of =
my
old=20
stock rotors I again took to the course. At the last session
of =
the day it=20
was time for the other front corner to develop
problems. Going =
into turn=20
10 (90 degree right) I got on the
brakes to bring the car down from =
about 100=20
mph. Suddenly
the brakes gave away and then the right front =
temporarily=20
locked
up. I eased up on the brakes and coming into the banked =
corner
too=20
fast I decided to go low rather than go high and potentially go off
the =
course=20
into the tower. I got into a slide and soon
enough it got the =
better of me=20
and I spun about 150 degrees
and came to a stop. I quickly =
got the=20
car off
the course and then checked how my wife was doing. =
She
said=20
she was done riding for the day. Just as well, it turned
out that =
the=20
surface material was entirely gone on the left inner
side, and almost =
all gone=20
on the outer
side.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2>These pads appeared to have had about 1/3 of the =
material
left=20
prior top going out on this last run. Upon inspecting the
remains =
it seems=20
that the entire friction material had come loose and
just broke =
away. Is=20
this typical?? How far down
should one let the pads go when =
driving a
road=20
course?
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2>All in all I was very happy with this experience and =
I
will=20
definitely do this again next year. I will come prepared
with =
better=20
brakes and probably Merrit's brake duct design
incorporated into the =
Stealth's=20
front end. I will also not
hesitate to take the time to install a =
set of=20
BRAND new pads before
going onto the course. I find it alarming =
that the=20
brakes
gave out twice in one day. It makes for some uneasy =
feelings
about=20
coming into certain
corners.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2>I got a gift cert. for CarboTech pads for placing in =
the
DSM=20
shootout autocross. Does anyone have experience with
these? =
Are they=20
worth
trying?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2>Oskar</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2>'95 R/T TT</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2>E-mail me privately if interested in a pic of =
the
cracked=20
rotor.</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
------=_NextPart_000_00EA_01BF1370.17D28240--
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 10 20:45:34 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id UAA24332
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 20:45:34 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.austin.rr.com (sm1.texas.rr.com [24.93.35.54])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id UAA24325
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 20:45:30 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from bradley ([24.28.71.119]) by mail.austin.rr.com
with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18);
Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:45:29
-0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
To:
"Oskar" <swede@pclink.com>, "Team 3S"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Road racing -
Cracked rotor and brake pad failure
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:49:09
-0500
Message-ID:
<LNBBICBDKNDOJAHLDNDDAEHHFAAA.bbedell@austin.rr.com>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
multipart/alternative;
boundary="----=_NextPart_000_051E_01BF1371.A9D05C20"
X-Priority:
3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO,
Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
In-reply-to:
<00ed01bf139a$0171f4c0$67010bce@logikit>
Importance: Normal
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
This is a
multi-part message in MIME
format.
------=_NextPart_000_051E_01BF1371.A9D05C20
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
Seems the 94+ rotors are prone to cracking from the hub. Maybe
we should
look into finding a good replacement.
Brad
Check out
my home page: http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
E-Mail:
bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ# 3612682
-----Original
Message-----
From:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On
Behalf Of Oskar
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 1999 10:38 PM
To: Team
3S
Subject: Team3S: Road racing - Cracked rotor and brake pad
failure
On Saturday the Minnesota chapter of 3Si went to Brainerd
International
Raceway (BIR) for a drivers school and hot lapping. A few
of us
participated and many came to watch the action. It was the first
time I
took the Stealth out on a road course.
The track is almost 3
miles long and has 10 turns. The back straight is
long enough to where
I consistently reached speeds of 135-140 mph. I felt
that I came well
prepared with Stillen cross drilled rotors, stainless brake
lines and Metal
Matrix pads at all four corners. I also brought along my
old stock
rotors. This turned out to be a blessing. Thanks Curt Gendron
for
insisting that I bring them!
I know that a few people have had problems
with the cross drilled rotors.
Being that these people are die hard road
racers and I a novice I did not
foresee any problems with the cross
drilleds. This proved to be incorrect.
On my second session of the day
I entered turn four under heavy braking when
I felt a very distinct snap and
then the braking power was severely reduced.
I was able to bring the car down
to a slow pace and then drive off the
course. Upon closer inspection I
found that the right front rotor had
totally freed itself from the hub.
Not only that, the hub had a large
stress crack running about 1/3 of
the way around the outer edge.
After having replaced the failed rotor
with one of my old stock rotors I
again took to the course. At the last
session of the day it was time for
the other front corner to develop
problems. Going into turn 10 (90 degree
right) I got on the brakes to
bring the car down from about 100 mph.
Suddenly the brakes gave away and then
the right front temporarily locked
up. I eased up on the brakes and
coming into the banked corner too fast I
decided to go low rather than go
high and potentially go off the course into
the tower. I got into a
slide and soon enough it got the better of me and I
spun about 150 degrees
and came to a stop. I quickly got the car off the
course and then
checked how my wife was doing. She said she was done riding
for the
day. Just as well, it turned out that the surface material was
entirely
gone on the left inner side, and almost all gone on the outer side.
These
pads appeared to have had about 1/3 of the material left prior top
going out
on this last run. Upon inspecting the remains it seems that the
entire
friction material had come loose and just broke away. Is
this
typical?? How far down should one let the pads go when driving a
road
course?
All in all I was very happy with this experience and I
will definitely do
this again next year. I will come prepared with
better brakes and probably
Merrit's brake duct design incorporated into the
Stealth's front end. I
will also not hesitate to take the time to
install a set of BRAND new pads
before going onto the course. I find it
alarming that the brakes gave out
twice in one day. It makes for some
uneasy feelings about coming into
certain corners.
I got a gift cert.
for CarboTech pads for placing in the DSM shootout
autocross. Does
anyone have experience with these? Are they worth
trying?
Oskar
'95 R/T TT
E-mail me privately if interested in a
pic of the cracked
rotor.
------=_NextPart_000_051E_01BF1371.A9D05C20
Content-Type:
text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
quoted-printable
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0
Transitional//EN">
<html
xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml"
=
xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"
=
xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word"
=
xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
<head>
<meta
http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html;
=
charset=3Diso-8859-1">
<meta name=3DProgId
content=3DWord.Document>
<meta name=3DGenerator
content=3D"Microsoft Word 9">
<meta name=3DOriginator
content=3D"Microsoft Word 9">
<link rel=3DFile-List
href=3D"cid:filelist.xml@01BF1371.95B59200">
<!--[if gte mso
9]><xml>
<o:OfficeDocumentSettings>
<o:DoNotRelyOnCSS/>
</o:OfficeDocumentSettings>
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if
gte mso 9]><xml>
<w:WordDocument>
<w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom>
<w:DocumentKind>DocumentEmail</w:DocumentKind>
<w:EnvelopeVis/>
</w:WordDocument>
</xml><![endif]-->
<style>
<!--
/*
Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:Tahoma;
panose-1:2 11 6 4 3
5 4 4 2
4;
mso-font-charset:0;
mso-generic-font-family:swiss;
mso-font-pitch:variable;
mso-font-signature:16792199
0 0 0 65791 0;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal,
div.MsoNormal
{mso-style-parent:"";
margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
mso-pagination:widow-orphan;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times
New Roman";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New
Roman";}
p.MsoAutoSig, li.MsoAutoSig,
div.MsoAutoSig
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
mso-pagination:widow-orphan;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times
New Roman";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New
Roman";}
span.EmailStyle15
{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt;
mso-ascii-font-family:Arial;
mso-hansi-font-family:Arial;
mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:navy;}
@page
Section1
{size:8.5in 11.0in;
margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in
1.25in;
mso-header-margin:.5in;
mso-footer-margin:.5in;
mso-paper-source:0;}
div.Section1
{page:Section1;}
-->
</style>
<!--[if
gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit"
spidmax=3D"1027"/>
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte
mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout
v:ext=3D"edit">
<o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit"
data=3D"1"/>
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]-->
</head>
<body
bgcolor=3Dwhite lang=3DEN-US style=3D'tab-interval:.5in'>
<div
class=3DSection1>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span
class=3DEmailStyle15><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Se=
ems
the
94+ rotors are prone to cracking from the hub.<span
=
style=3D"mso-spacerun:
yes"> </span>Maybe
we should look into finding a good
=
replacement.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p
class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStyle15><font size=3D2
=
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><!=
[if
=
!supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p
class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStyle15><font size=3D2
=
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><!=
[if
=
!supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p
class=3DMsoAutoSig><!--[if supportFields]><span
=
class=3DEmailStyle15><font=20
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span
=
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><span
=
style=3D'mso-element:field-begin'></span><span=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun:
yes"> </span>AUTOTEXTLIST \s
"E-mail=20
Signature" <span
=
style=3D'mso-element:field-separator'></span></span></font></span><![endi=
f]--><font
color=3Dnavy><span
style=3D'color:navy'>Brad</span></font><font
=
color=3Dnavy><span
style=3D'color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></=
p>
<p
class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D3 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Times New
=
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Check
out my home page:<span
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">
=
</span>http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/</span></font><font
color=3Dnavy><span
=
style=3D'color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></=
p>
<p
class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D3 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Times New
=
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'><span
style=3D"mso-spacerun:
yes"> </span>E-Mail:
bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#<span
=
style=3D"mso-spacerun:
yes">
</span>3612682</span></font><font
color=3Dnavy><span
style=3D'color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></=
p>
<p
class=3DMsoNormal><!--[if supportFields]><span
=
class=3DEmailStyle15><font=20
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span
=
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><span
=
style=3D'mso-element:field-end'></span></span></font></span><![endif]--><=
span
class=3DEmailStyle15><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
=
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if
=
!supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2
=
color=3Dblack
face=3DTahoma><span
=
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
=
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]<b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Oskar<br>
<b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, October 10,
=
1999
10:38 PM<br>
<b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Team
3S<br>
<b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Team3S: Road
=
racing -
Cracked rotor and brake pad
failure</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><![if
=
!supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2
=
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>On =
Saturday
the Minnesota
chapter of 3Si went to Brainerd International Raceway =
(BIR)
for
a drivers school and hot lapping. A few of us participated and
=
many
came to watch the action. It was the first time I took
the Stealth =
out on
a road course.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span
=
style=3D'color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3
=
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
=
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span
=
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2
=
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
=
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>The track is
almost 3 miles
long and has 10 turns. The back straight is long =
enough
to
where I consistently reached speeds of 135-140 mph. I felt that
I =
came
well prepared with Stillen cross drilled rotors, stainless brake
lines =
and
Metal Matrix pads at all four corners. I also
brought along my old =
stock
rotors. This turned out to be a
blessing. Thanks Curt =
Gendron for
insisting that I bring
them!</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3
=
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
=
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span
=
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2
=
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>I =
know that a
few people have
had problems with the cross drilled rotors. Being =
that
these
people are die hard road racers and I a novice I did not foresee
=
any
problems with the cross drilleds. This proved to be
=
incorrect. On
my second session of the day I entered turn four
under heavy braking =
when I
felt a very distinct snap and then the
braking power was severely
reduced. I was able to bring the car
down to a slow pace and then =
drive
off the course. Upon closer
inspection I found that the right =
front rotor
had totally freed itself
from the hub. Not only that, the =
hub had a
large
stress crack running about 1/3 of the way around the outer =
edge.
</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span
=
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3
=
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
=
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span
=
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2
=
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
=
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>After having
replaced the
failed rotor with one of my old stock rotors I again took =
to
the
course. At the last session of the day it was time for the
other =
front
corner to develop problems. Going into turn 10 (90
degree right) I =
got on
the brakes to bring the car down from about 100
mph. Suddenly the =
brakes
gave away and then the right front
temporarily locked up. I eased =
up on
the brakes and coming
into the banked corner too fast I decided to go =
low rather
than go high
and potentially go off the course into the tower. I =
got into
a
slide and soon enough it got the better of me and I spun
=
about 150
degrees and came to a stop. I quickly got
the car off =
the course and
then checked how my wife was
doing. She said she was done riding =
for the
day.
Just as well, it turned out that the surface material was =
entirely
gone
on the left inner side, and almost all gone on the outer
=
side.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span
=
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3
=
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
=
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span
=
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2
=
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
=
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>These pads
appeared to have
had about 1/3 of the material left prior top going out =
on this
last
run. Upon inspecting the remains it seems that the entire
=
friction
material had come loose and just broke away. Is this
=
typical?? How
far down should one let the pads go when driving
a road =
course?
</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span
=
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3
=
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
=
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span
=
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2
=
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
=
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>All in all I
was very happy
with this experience and I will definitely do this again
=
next
year. I will come prepared with better brakes and
probably =
Merrit's brake
duct design incorporated into the Stealth's
front end. I will also =
not
hesitate to take the time to
install a set of BRAND new pads before =
going onto
the course.
I find it alarming that the brakes gave out twice in =
one
day.
It makes for some uneasy feelings about coming into certain
=
corners.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span
=
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3
=
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
=
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span
=
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2
=
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>I =
got a gift
cert. for
CarboTech pads for placing in the DSM shootout =
autocross.
Does
anyone have experience with these? Are they worth
=
trying?</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span
=
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3
=
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
=
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span
=
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2
=
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
=
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Oskar</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span
=
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2
=
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
=
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>'95 R/T
TT</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span
=
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2
=
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
=
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
size=3D2
color=3Dblack><span
=
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2
=
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
=
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>E-mail me
privately if
interested in a pic of the cracked
=
rotor.</span></font><font
size=3D2
color=3Dblack><span
=
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</body>
</html>
------=_NextPart_000_051E_01BF1371.A9D05C20--
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 10 21:17:43 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id VAA24673
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:17:43 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET (cedar-rapids.net [206.24.60.1])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id VAA24647
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:16:41 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from c440759-a.cdrrpd1.ia.home.com ([24.10.221.131]) by
CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET
with SMTP (IPAD 2.5/64) id 3840100 ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999
23:13:22 -0500
Message-Id:
<3.0.5.32.19991010230946.0086c100@cedar-rapids.net>
X-Sender:
merritt@cedar-rapids.net
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5
(32)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 23:09:46 -0500
To: "Oskar"
<swede@pclink.com>, "Team 3S"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
From: Merritt
<merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Road racing - Cracked
rotor and brake pad failure
In-Reply-To:
<00ed01bf139a$0171f4c0$67010bce@logikit>
Mime-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
<excerpt>Oskar: I feel yor
pain.
</excerpt><<<<<<<<
>>>>
<excerpt>>
I felt that I came well prepared with Stillen cross drilled
rotors, stainless
brake lines and Metal Matrix pads at all four corners.
I also brought along
my old stock rotors. This turned out to be a
blessing. Thanks
Curt Gendron for insisting that I bring them! <<snip>
On my second
session of the day I entered turn four under heavy braking
when I felt a very
distinct snap and then the braking power was severely
reduced. I was
able to bring the car down to a slow pace and then drive
off the
course. Upon closer inspection I found that the right front
rotor had
totally freed itself from the hub. Not only that, the hub had
a
large stress crack running about 1/3 of the way around the outer edge.
</excerpt><<<<<<<<
I know EXACTLY
how you feel. You broke a rotor and lost the brakes.
There is a rumor
that Stillen and PowerSlot and lord knows how many
others buy their rotors
from the same furshlugginer supplier, and these
rotors break like crazy. I've
broken two, now Oskar has broken one. How
many more will break before one of
us gets hurt big time out there?
My only recommendation: Stick to
stock rotors or Porterfields (stock
rotors that are cryogenically treated).
They don't break.
<excerpt>
>After having
replaced the failed rotor with one of my old stock rotors I
again took to the
course. At the last session of the day it was time for
the other front
corner to develop problems. Going into turn 10 (90
degree right) I got
on the brakes to bring the car down from about 100
mph. Suddenly the
brakes gave away and then the right front temporarily
locked up.
<<snip> it turned out that the surface material was
entirely
gone on the left inner side, and almost all gone on the outer side.
These
pads appeared to have had about 1/3 of the material left prior top
going
out on this last run. Upon inspecting the remains it seems that
the
entire friction material had come loose and just broke away.
</excerpt><<<<<<<<
Your problem
is in using a street pad for road racing. My recommendation
is to install
Porterfield R4 pads prior to an event and take them out
afterward. Your Metal
Matrix pads are street pads. That's why they
failed
you.
>>>>
<excerpt>
>All in all I was very happy with this experience and I will
definitely
do this again next year. I will come prepared with better
brakes and
probably Merrit's brake duct design incorporated into the
Stealth's front
end. I will also not hesitate to take the time to
install a set of BRAND
new pads before going onto the course.
</excerpt><<<<<<<<
There ya go.
>>>>
<excerpt> I find it alarming that the
brakes gave out twice in one day.
It makes for some uneasy feelings about
coming into certain corners.
</excerpt><<<<<<<<
Yep. Scary,
ain't it.
I'm doing Road America this weekend, so I'll have a report on
how well my
brakes hold up. I'm running Porterfield rotors and R4 pads (pads
on all
four wheels this time), air ducts, and water injection.
Rich/old poop/94 VR4/somebody stop me!
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 10 21:57:57 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id VAA25072
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:57:57 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
hotmail.com (law2-f116.hotmail.com [216.32.181.116])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id VAA25065
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:57:54 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (qmail 41812 invoked by uid 0); 11 Oct 1999 04:57:33
-0000
Message-ID: <19991011045733.41811.qmail@hotmail.com>
Received:
from 63.11.57.97 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP;
Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:57:32
PDT
X-Originating-IP: [63.11.57.97]
From: "Curt Gendron"
<curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Minnesota 3/S racing
(long)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 23:57:32 CDT
Mime-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I'd like to give
some more details about Saturday's adventure up at Brainerd
International
Raceway. Now that you've heard Oskar's story, I'm sure your
wanting
more. ;)
Myself and four other Minnesota 3/S members left the Twin
Cities for
Brainerd around 8am. (John, Francis, Lawrence, and Shawn)
We arrived in
Brainerd around 10am. When we got there we saw Oskar,
Mark, Pete, and Ron
all running laps. (all 3/S owners) This was a road
racing, and driving
school. The event was put on by the local Nissan Z
club, but for some
reason, there was more Mitsubishis there then
Nissans.
After the first session, all the 3/Ses seemed to have no
problems with their
brakes. Up to that point, the only problem was
people getting stung by
bees.
During the second session, of four, is
when Oskar broke the Stillen rotor in
two. We'll have scanned pics in
a week or two. Luckily, he brought his old
stock rotors. Mark,
with his 91 R/T TT, was getting ready to run his third
session, when he
noticed something wrong with his right front rotor. The
pad was way
past the wear indicator. So he was forced to go perform a brake
pad
change over to his new Porterfield R4S pads. Too bad he missed the
third session.
Oskar and Mark both ran in the forth and final session
of the day, and they
didn't 'seem' to have any problems. Mark, Oskar,
John and myself were
planning on making a trip to Perkins afterwards.
Just after we left the
track, Oskar pulled over. He felt that the left
front caliper was seized
against the rotor. He limped to Perkins
restaurant, and pulled off the
caliper. I remember seeing two chunks,
of what used to be metal matrix
pads, fall to the ground. It was like
the material melted and reformed into
chunks. That is what was causing
Oskar to feel like the caliper was
pressing against the rotor.
At
this point, Mark and John drove back to the track to find Mark's old pads
that he threw away. (Mark, you should of listen to me. hehe)
Luckily, they
found them, brought them back, and Oskar put them on the left
front caliper.
After eating at Perkins, the four of us drove back,
through the night, to
the Twin Cities. (a 2 hour drive) Ironiclly
enough, we saw a blue 1g
Stealth TT being towed away, on the
interstate. The Stealth was at the
track earlier in the day. He
wasn't a Minn 3/Ser though.
I learned a few things on Saturday, and I
didn't even race. First of all,
our cars can't brake worth crap in a
road racing environment. And secondly,
if you are going to race them,
bring lots of extra brake parts. I fully
believe that the Porterfield
rotors and pads are the only way to go for your
braking needs.
Everything else, just doesn't hold up.
I want to thank all the Minnesota
3/S members that participated in the event
on Saturday. It was truly a
team effort to get our cars
home.
later,
Curt
http://www.mn3s.org
p.s. A web page
will be up soon to document this memorable
day.
______________________________________________________
Get Your
Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sun Oct 10 22:40:29 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
WAA25344
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:40:29 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web2003.mail.yahoo.com
[128.11.68.203])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id
WAA25337
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 10 Oct 1999
22:40:26 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
<19991011054103.22886.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com>
Received: from
[24.4.168.158] by web2003.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:41:03 PDT
Date:
Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:41:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Kuo
<amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Road racing - Cracked rotor
and brake pad failure
To: Team 3S
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hi
Oskar,
I guess you weren't here when we had the long
'braking'
disscusion. Well, the conclusion was -
Stillen rotors and pads won't
hold up in open track
events. Especially the pads, the
semi-metallic
compound is only good for street cruising.
I and some
other owners have good luck with
Porterfield rotors and R4 (carbon kevlar)
race pads.
These pads can withstand much higher temp (never fad
in my
experience.) Also make sure you have some racing
brake fluids like Motul 600
to avoid brake failure.
By the way, being a novice doesn't mean u won't
use
the brakes as much. It's acutally the opposite.. the
more
experience you have, you will learn how conserve
and make better use of ur
brakes.
Good luck and have fun!!
=)
George
www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/8576/Intro.html
=====
__________________________________________________
Do
You Yahoo!?
Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 11 08:06:47 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id IAA00967
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 08:06:47 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
exchange1.bigcharts.com (exchange1.BigCharts.com [206.146.143.5])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id IAA00960
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 08:06:43 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id
<4RB1F3L1>; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:10:40 -0500
Message-ID:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F75D5@EXCHANGE1>
From: Matt A
Jannusch <MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To: stealth
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: black panther
battery question
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:10:31 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="windows-1252"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> A while
back someone said they bought a black panther battery. I was
> wondering
if that person was still on the list. I am looking for
> feedback on the
performance of the battery. How's it holding
> up, do you ever have
problems starting the car, does it hold a
> charge if left to sit for a
couple weeks.... stuff like that.
Not sure if I bought the first one, but
I got mine about 3 months ago. So far it has worked flawlessly. It
hasn't become anywhere near drained yet, even with putting the convertible top
up and down several times in a row without starting the car where the old
battery would die after 2-3 times. I haven't had the car sitting for more
than a couple days, so I can't speak to whether or not it holds its charge
long-term. I would guess it would hold charge at least as well as a
lead-acid battery.
Best thing about it, is if you accidentally discharge
it all the way down - it doesn't affect it at all and you can just recharge it
all the way back up in about an hour. Jumping it is safer also, since it
can't explode since there is no expanding gasses inside the case. If it
did split open, at least it won't spray acid in your face.
If I recall
correctly, the battery saved me 14 pounds over the stock battery, and gave me
enough room to mount the entire Spearco water injection tank, pump, and boost
switch on the battery tray in a vertical position (the preferred
position).
> I need a new battery, and was thinking of getting one
because of the
> size. Jegs carries them now under the name
"Odyssey" (page 92
> in the new
> catalog). 150 for the
small one and 200 for the big one. I would
> appreciate any real world
feedback I can get before buying that
> expensive of a
battery.
Can't complain about mine. Does exactly what it
should.
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Mon Oct 11 09:14:56 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
JAA01961
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:14:56 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET (cedar-rapids.net [206.24.60.1])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id JAA01954
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:14:53 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from c440759-a.cdrrpd1.ia.home.com ([24.10.221.131]) by
CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET
with SMTP (IPAD 2.5/64) id 3999100 ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999
11:11:41 -0500
Message-Id:
<3.0.5.32.19991011100939.00863290@cedar-rapids.net>
X-Sender:
merritt@cedar-rapids.net
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5
(32)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:09:39 -0500
To: "Curt Gendron"
<curt_gendron@hotmail.com>, stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
From:
Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Minnesota 3/S
racing (long)
In-Reply-To:
<19991011045733.41811.qmail@hotmail.com>
Mime-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
>I learned a
few things on Saturday, and I didn't even race. First of all,
>our
cars can't brake worth crap in a road racing environment.
Not
true. Run race pads and get cooling air to them, and they last just
fine. R4s
should last an entire weekend.
And secondly,
>if you are going
to race them, bring lots of extra brake parts. I fully
>believe
that the Porterfield rotors and pads are the only way to go for your
>braking needs. Everything else, just doesn't hold up.
Hear,
hear! That's absolutely correct. Although I hear that Pagids
hold
up, too.
For spares, just bring rotors and an extra set of front
pads.
Rich/old poop/94 VR4/somebody stop me!
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 11 10:03:45 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id KAA02934
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:03:45 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
apollo.gat.com (apollo.gat.com [192.5.166.20])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id KAA02927
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:03:42 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from gat.com (middaugh@d3dtsa.gat.com
[192.150.242.240])
by apollo.gat.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id
KAA19188
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 11 Oct 1999
10:03:42 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <38021872.73401576@gat.com>
Date:
Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:03:46 -0700
From: Ken Middaugh
<Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Organization: General Atomics - Fusion
Group
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20
9000/730)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Team 3S
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Road racing -
Cracked rotor and brake pad failure
References:
<LNBBICBDKNDOJAHLDNDDAEHHFAAA.bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
>Seems
the 94+ rotors are prone to cracking from the hub. Maybe we
>should
look into finding a good replacement.
Brad, once-upon-a-time I thought
that you were investigating rotors for your
Porsche Big-Red caliper upgrade
kit. Was this a rumor, did you find anything,
did you give
up?
Also, a couple of weeks ago John Christian reported that he has been
using
directional rotors from a Supra with Brad's caliper upgrade and KPF
(??) pads
with very good results on his '93 Stealth TT. "That
combination had survived
200 track miles and the pads are only half used--the
rotors are only slightly
groved." I was hoping John could share a
few more specifics but he hasn't
answered any of my emails yet. Hey
John, are you out there?
--
Drive faster, it is later than you
think!
Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 11 10:25:06 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id KAA03327
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:25:06 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail2.tor.accglobal.net (mail2.tor.accglobal.net [204.92.55.104])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id KAA03305
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:24:59 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from ppp-069.m2-10.tor.ican.net ([142.154.22.69]
helo=default)
by mail2.tor.accglobal.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1)
id
11ajBv-0005YT-02; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:24:55 -0400
Message-ID:
<001201be333a$2e551440$45169a8e@default>
From: "nketo"
<nketo@accglobal.net>
To: "Oskar" <swede@pclink.com>,
"Team 3S" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Road racing - Cracked rotor and brake pad failure
Date: Tue, 29 Dec
1998 06:47:34 -0800
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
multipart/alternative;
boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE32F7.1DAC61E0"
X-Priority:
3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express
4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
This is a
multi-part message in MIME
format.
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE32F7.1DAC61E0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
quoted-printable
Oskar,
Which rotor manufacturer were you
using? I heard some manufacturers =
simply cross drill the
stock
rotors.
Sincerely
Noble
-----Original
Message-----
From: Oskar
<swede@pclink.com>
To: Team 3S
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Sunday,
October 10, 1999 7:41 PM
Subject: Team3S: Road racing -
Cracked rotor and brake pad failure
=20
=20
On Saturday the Minnesota chapter of 3Si went to
Brainerd =
International Raceway (BIR) for a drivers school and hot
lapping. A few =
of us participated and many came to watch the
action. It was the first =
time I took the Stealth out on a road
course.
=20
The track is almost 3 miles
long and has 10 turns. The back =
straight is long enough to where I
consistently reached speeds of =
135-140 mph. I felt that I came well
prepared with Stillen cross =
drilled rotors, stainless brake lines and Metal
Matrix pads at all four =
corners. I also brought along my old stock
rotors. This turned out to =
be a blessing. Thanks Curt Gendron
for insisting that I bring them!
=20
I know that a few people have had problems with the cross drilled
=
rotors. Being that these people are die hard road racers and I a
novice =
I did not foresee any problems with the cross drilleds. This
proved to =
be incorrect. On my second session of the day I entered
turn four under =
heavy braking when I felt a very distinct snap and then the
braking =
power was severely reduced. I was able to bring the car down
to a slow =
pace and then drive off the course. Upon closer inspection
I found that =
the right front rotor had totally freed itself from the
hub. Not only =
that, the hub had a large stress crack running
about 1/3 of the way =
around the outer edge. =20
=20
After having replaced the failed rotor with one of my
old stock =
rotors I again took to the course. At the last session of
the day it =
was time for the other front corner to develop problems.
Going into =
turn 10 (90 degree right) I got on the brakes to bring the car
down from =
about 100 mph. Suddenly the brakes gave away and then the
right front =
temporarily locked up. I eased up on the brakes and
coming into the =
banked corner too fast I decided to go low rather than go
high and =
potentially go off the course into the tower. I got into a
slide and =
soon enough it got the better of me and I spun about 150 degrees
and =
came to a stop. I quickly got the car off the course and then
checked =
how my wife was doing. She said she was done riding for the
day. Just =
as well, it turned out that the surface material was
entirely gone on =
the left inner side, and almost all gone on the outer
side.
=20
These pads appeared to have had
about 1/3 of the material left prior =
top going out on this last run.
Upon inspecting the remains it seems =
that the entire friction material had
come loose and just broke away. =
Is this typical?? How far down
should one let the pads go when driving =
a road course?
=20
=20
All in all I was very happy with
this experience and I will =
definitely do this again next year. I will
come prepared with better =
brakes and probably Merrit's brake duct design
incorporated into the =
Stealth's front end. I will also not hesitate
to take the time to =
install a set of BRAND new pads before going onto the
course. I find it =
alarming that the brakes gave out twice in one
day. It makes for some =
uneasy feelings about coming into certain
corners.
=20
I got a gift cert. for
CarboTech pads for placing in the DSM =
shootout autocross. Does anyone
have experience with these? Are they =
worth trying?
=20
Oskar
'95 R/T TT
=20
E-mail me privately if interested in a pic of the
cracked
rotor.
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE32F7.1DAC61E0
Content-Type:
text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
quoted-printable
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3
HTML//EN">
<HTML>
<HEAD>
<META
content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1
=
http-equiv=3DContent-Type><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD
HTML 4.0 =
Transitional//EN">
<META content=3D'"MSHTML
4.72.3612.1706"'
name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY
bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000
size=3D2>Oskar,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT
color=3D#000000
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2>Which rotor manufacturer were you using? I =
heard
some=20
manufacturers simply cross drill
the</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>stock
rotors.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2>Sincerely</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2>Noble</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:
#000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT:
=
5px">
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2><B>-----Original
=
Message-----</B><BR><B>From:=20
</B>Oskar <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:swede@pclink.com">swede@pclink.com</A>><BR><B>To:
=
</B>Team=20
3S
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com">stealth-3000gt@list.sirius=
.com</A>><BR><B>Date:=20
</B>Sunday, October 10, 1999 7:41 PM<BR><B>Subject:
</B>Team3S: Road =
racing=20
- Cracked rotor and
brake pad
failure<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>On Saturday the Minnesota chapter of
=
3Si went to=20
Brainerd International
Raceway (BIR) for a drivers school and hot=20
lapping. A few of us participated and many came to watch
the=20
action. It was the first time I took the
Stealth out on a road =
course.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2>The track is almost 3 miles long and has 10
=
turns. =20
The back straight is long enough
to where I consistently reached =
speeds of=20
135-140
mph. I felt that I came well prepared with Stillen
=
cross=20
drilled rotors, stainless brake lines and
Metal Matrix pads at all =
four=20
corners. I
also brought along my old stock rotors. This
=
turned=20
out to be a blessing. Thanks Curt
Gendron for insisting that I =
bring=20
them!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I know that a few people have had problems with
=
the cross=20
drilled rotors. Being that
these people are die hard road =
racers and I=20
a
novice I did not foresee any problems with the cross =
drilleds.
This=20
proved to be incorrect. On my second
session of the day I =
entered turn=20
four under heavy
braking when I felt a very distinct snap and then
=
the=20
braking power was severely reduced.
I was able to bring the =
car down=20
to a slow pace
and then drive off the course. Upon closer =
inspection
I=20
found that the right front rotor had totally freed
itself from the=20
hub. Not only that, the
hub had a large stress crack =
running=20
about 1/3 of the way around the outer edge.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2>After having replaced the failed rotor with one =
of my
old=20
stock rotors I again took to the course.
At the last session =
of the=20
day it was time for the
other front corner to develop =
problems.
Going=20
into turn 10 (90 degree right) I got on the
brakes to bring the car =
down=20
from about 100
mph. Suddenly the brakes gave away and then the
=
right=20
front temporarily locked up. I
eased up on the brakes and =
coming into=20
the banked
corner too fast I decided to go low rather than go high
=
and=20
potentially go off the course into the
tower. I got into a =
slide and=20
soon
enough it got the better of me and I spun about 150 =
degrees
and=20
came to a stop. I quickly got the car off
the course and =
then=20
checked how my wife
was doing. She said she was done riding =
for
the=20
day. Just as well, it turned out that the
surface material was =
entirely gone on the left inner
side, and almost all gone on the =
outer=20
side.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2>These pads appeared to have had about 1/3 of the
=
material=20
left prior top going out on this last
run. Upon inspecting the =
remains=20
it
seems that the entire friction material had come loose and just
=
broke=20
away. Is this typical??
How far down should one let the =
pads go=20
when
driving a road course?
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2>All in all I was very happy with this experience =
and
I=20
will definitely do this again next year. I
will come prepared =
with=20
better brakes and probably
Merrit's brake duct design incorporated =
into the=20
Stealth's front end. I will also not hesitate to take the time
=
to=20
install a set of BRAND new pads before going
onto the course. =
I find=20
it alarming that
the brakes gave out twice in one day. It =
makes
for=20
some uneasy feelings about coming into certain
corners.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2>I got a gift cert. for CarboTech pads for =
placing in
the=20
DSM shootout autocross. Does anyone have
experience with =
these? =20
Are they worth
trying?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2>Oskar</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>'95 R/T
TT</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2>E-mail me privately if interested in a pic =
of
the=20
cracked
rotor.</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE32F7.1DAC61E0--
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 11 10:36:23 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id KAA03573
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:36:23 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
riven.plaza.ds.adp.com ([139.126.16.128])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id KAA03566
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:36:20 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from exchange04.plaza.ds.adp.com ([139.126.124.14]) by
riven.plaza.ds.adp.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA07917 for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:37:17 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by exchange04.plaza.ds.adp.com with Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2232.9)
id <4B5AM2JF>; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:36:53
-0700
Message-ID:
<2B6D2E7F9E0AD311AB0500805FB7ECD00F4127@exchange01.plaza.ds.adp.com>
From:
Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
To: Team 3S
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Admin Notice -
PLEASE...no HTML
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:35:49 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Listmembers...PLEASE...
When someone posts HTML formatted
messages to the list, they create problems
for the digest version. When this
happens we (the Admins) send a private
message to the sender. Plain Text
only!!! HOWEVER, if you see a HTML message
posted, PLEASE turn it back to
plain text if you reply to the list.
Otherwise, the HTML format is propagated
on each successive post.
Also, as a reminder, please <snip> the
majority of the original message when
replying to long posts. We're all able
to follow the thread without turning
it into a
novel.
THANKS!!!
Looking forward...Chris (Team 3S Admin)
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 11 14:24:11 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id OAA06920
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:24:11 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
pas.rochester.edu (qmailr@alfalfa.pas.rochester.edu [128.151.144.13])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id OAA06911
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:23:56 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (qmail 7227 invoked by uid 562); 11 Oct 1999 21:21:47
-0000
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:21:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Burke
<burke@pas.rochester.edu>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Semi-Off-Topic: Rearview
Mirror Placement and Mechanics
Message-ID:
<Pine.LNX.4.10.9910111718550.16979-100000@alfalfa.pas.rochester.edu>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
First off, i'm a
fairly tall guy and the rear view obstructs my view to
the right unless I
duck to look under it. Can anyone recommend a way for
my to position it
higher? Is this adviseable?
Secondly, can anyone recommend a good
mechanic in the Rochester, NY area?
Or at least somewhere within an hour or
so from here? I'm less
knowledgeable about cars than I would like, and I
don't like the stories I
hear about how people screw up our cars at chain
service centers...
andy
'93 3000gt vr-4
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 11 17:46:26 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id RAA09890
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:46:26 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc2.occa.home.com [24.2.8.66])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id RAA09882
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:46:23 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from cx221247a ([24.8.141.25]) by
mail.rdc2.occa.home.com
(InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with
SMTP
id
<19991012004618.MHZU9122.mail.rdc2.occa.home.com@cx221247a>
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:46:18 -0700
Message-ID:
<004601bf144a$961a3aa0$198d0818@msnv1.occa.home.com>
From: "Jim
Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
To: "team 3si"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Fw: Subject Exhausrt
system primer
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:41:56 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
multipart/mixed;
boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0043_01BF140F.E97FE040"
X-Priority:
3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express
5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
This is a multi-part message in MIME
format.
------=_NextPart_000_0043_01BF140F.E97FE040
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
A 300ZX site primer on exhaust systems --- worth looking over
!!
Jim Berry
>
>
>
http://z31.com/board/archives/view.pl?129
>
------=_NextPart_000_0043_01BF140F.E97FE040
Content-Type:
application/octet-stream;
name="Subject Exhausrt system
primer.url"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition:
attachment;
filename="Subject Exhausrt system
primer.url"
[DEFAULT]
BASEURL=http://z31.com/board/archives/view.pl?129
[InternetShortcut]
URL=http://z31.com/board/archives/view.pl?129
Modified=80F6ABD4B50FBF0179
------=_NextPart_000_0043_01BF140F.E97FE040--
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 11 18:54:15 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id SAA11143
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:54:15 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
burgoyne.com (burgoyne.com [209.197.0.8])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id SAA11135
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:54:11 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from p9u2n5 (ip141.redrock.net [209.197.11.141])
by
burgoyne.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA17621
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:54:06
-0600
Message-ID: <000501bf1454$1c4426a0$8d0bc5d1@p9u2n5>
From:
"CEskelsen" <cesk@redrock.net>
To: "3000 list"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Coolant Leak
Date:
Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:50:05 -0600
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2014.211
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
My car is leaking coolant. I took it into the Mitsu dealer two
weeks ago
with the same complaint and after a thorough check of thermostats I
was sent
on my way with a new radiator cap. It stopped leaking until
today. The car
doesn't leak until I turn it off then leaves a few
ounces on the pavement.
Should I be looking for something more than another
rad cap?
Thanks,
Cory Eskelsen
96 R/T TT
60,000 miles
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 11 18:59:34 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id SAA11286
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:59:34 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc2.occa.home.com [24.2.8.66])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id SAA11279
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:59:32 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from cx221247a ([24.8.141.25]) by
mail.rdc2.occa.home.com
(InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with
SMTP
id
<19991012015931.NIYA9122.mail.rdc2.occa.home.com@cx221247a>
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:59:31 -0700
Message-ID:
<042201bf1454$d0e462a0$198d0818@msnv1.occa.home.com>
From: "Jim
Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
To: "team 3si"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: ABS
operation
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:55:10 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
I recently purchased a set of Brads " big red Porsche
brakes " from
David Skultetys' and his recently deceased 93 VR4 [ RIP
].
If and when UPS gets tired of shuttling them around the country I will
install them on my 93TT. As a precursor to installing the new system I
was running some braking benchmarks with my G-Tech by doing some
full
effort stops. I got about .95 G's which seems about right.
Strange things ---
while I'm new to ABS I expected a nice smooth stop
with perhaps some pulsing
of the pedal to indicate intervention of the ABS
system --- what I got was
some [ not blue smoke lockup ] squealing of
tire(s) and some pulling to the
left, I never did get a smooth stop.
The ABS shows no errors, the light comes
on and blinks at startup
just like the book says.
The question is --- what
should a panic stop feel like in our cars and is
it that my existing
system just can't lock up the wheels, the squealing
indicates that one
wheel is locking or at least impending lockup
Jim Berry
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 11 19:06:17 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id TAA11439
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:06:17 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc2.occa.home.com [24.2.8.66])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id TAA11432
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:06:15 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from cx221247a ([24.8.141.25]) by
mail.rdc2.occa.home.com
(InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with
SMTP
id
<19991012020613.NLMQ9122.mail.rdc2.occa.home.com@cx221247a>;
Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:06:13 -0700
Message-ID:
<043e01bf1455$c06feec0$198d0818@msnv1.occa.home.com>
From: "Jim
Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
To: "CEskelsen"
<cesk@redrock.net>,
"3000 list" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<000501bf1454$1c4426a0$8d0bc5d1@p9u2n5>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Coolant
Leak
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:01:52 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> My car is leaking coolant. I took it into the Mitsu
dealer two weeks ago
> with the same complaint and after a thorough check
of thermostats I was sent
> on my way with a new radiator cap. It
stopped leaking until today. The car
> doesn't leak until I turn it
off then leaves a few ounces on the pavement.
> Should I be looking for
something more than another rad cap?
>
>
==============================================
Where does the coolant end
up on the ground --- it may just be the
overflow bottle being to full and
running over when hot.
Jim Berry
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 11 19:21:00 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id TAA11951
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:21:00 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mx01.gis.net (scribe.gis.net [208.218.130.25])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id TAA11944
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:20:57 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from monster (nas-46-12.boston.navinet.net [216.67.46.12]) by
mx01.gis.net (8.8.8/8.8.8+pyrd) with SMTP id WAA26055 for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:20:53 -0400
(EDT)
Message-ID: <007401bf1458$8173f100$140100b6@monster>
Reply-To:
"Gil Gomes" <gil@warpedweb.com>
From: "Gil Gomes"
<gil@warpedweb.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: New Website
Date:
Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:21:32 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
multipart/alternative;
boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0071_01BF1436.F901D6A0"
X-Priority:
3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express
4.72.3612.1700
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3612.1700
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
This is a multi-part message in MIME
format.
------=_NextPart_000_0071_01BF1436.F901D6A0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
quoted-printable
I'd just like to take a second of your time to
announce
yet another 3000GT website...=20
I know.. I know... there's
plenty of them
out there.
This one is still in its infancy, so
please
bear with me. I've done a bunch of=20
small biz websites over
the years, so
I'm no rookie... but I would like some
feedback from you
guys regarding=20
what you'd like to find on a website=20
that might be
helpful to you.
I'm open to suggestion, and I've got=20
plenty of
storage space... <g>
The URL
is....
http://www.warpedweb.com/3000GT/
Thanx...
-Remo
------=_NextPart_000_0071_01BF1436.F901D6A0
Content-Type:
text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
quoted-printable
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3
HTML//EN">
<HTML>
<HEAD>
<META
content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1
=
http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
<META content=3D'"MSHTML
4.72.3612.1706"' name=3DGENERATOR>
</HEAD>
<BODY
bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I'd
just like to take a second of =
your time
to=20
announce</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT
color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT><FONT size=3D2>yet another
=
3000GT=20
website... </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2>I know.. I know... there's plenty of
=
them</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>out
there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2>This one is still in its infancy, so
=
please</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>bear
with me. I've done a bunch of
=
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>small biz
websites over the years, so</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2>I'm no rookie... but I would like
some</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>feedback from
you guys regarding </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2>what you'd like to find on a website
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>that might be
helpful to you.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2>I'm open to suggestion, and I've got
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>plenty of storage
space... <g></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT
color=3D#000000 size=3D2>The URL
is....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000
size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://www.warpedweb.com/3000GT/">http://www.warpedweb.com/3000GT=
/</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT
color=3D#000000
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT
color=3D#000000
size=3D2>Thanx...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT
color=3D#000000
size=3D2>-Remo</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
------=_NextPart_000_0071_01BF1436.F901D6A0--
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 11 19:35:11 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id TAA12345
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:35:11 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET (cedar-rapids.net [206.24.60.1])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id TAA12331
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:35:04 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from c440759-a.cdrrpd1.ia.home.com ([24.10.221.131]) by
CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET
with SMTP (IPAD 2.5/64) id 4270600 ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999
21:32:13 -0500
Message-Id:
<3.0.5.32.19991011212503.0086e790@cedar-rapids.net>
X-Sender:
merritt@cedar-rapids.net
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5
(32)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:25:03 -0500
To: "Jim Berry"
<fastmax@home.com>,
"team 3si" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
From: Merritt
<merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ABS
operation
In-Reply-To:
<042201bf1454$d0e462a0$198d0818@msnv1.occa.home.com>
Mime-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
>The question
is --- what should a panic stop feel like in our cars and is
>it
that my existing system just can't lock up the wheels, the
squealing
>indicates that one wheel is locking or at least impending
lockup
With R4 race pads properly warm, it's like throwing out an anchor.
Sounds like you need some new pads.
>
Rich/old poop/94 VR4/somebody
stop me!
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 11 19:35:12 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id TAA12350
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:35:12 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET (cedar-rapids.net [206.24.60.1])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id TAA12333
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:35:06 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from c440759-a.cdrrpd1.ia.home.com ([24.10.221.131]) by
CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET
with SMTP (IPAD 2.5/64) id 4270800 ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999
21:32:25 -0500
Message-Id:
<3.0.5.32.19991011212920.00869610@cedar-rapids.net>
X-Sender:
merritt@cedar-rapids.net
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5
(32)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:29:20 -0500
To: "CEskelsen"
<cesk@redrock.net>,
"3000 list" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
From: Merritt
<merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Coolant
Leak
In-Reply-To:
<000501bf1454$1c4426a0$8d0bc5d1@p9u2n5>
Mime-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
At 07:50 PM
10/11/99 -0600, CEskelsen wrote:
>My car is leaking coolant. I took
it into the Mitsu dealer two weeks ago
>with the same complaint and after
a thorough check of thermostats I was sent
>on my way with a new radiator
cap. It stopped leaking until today. The car
>doesn't leak
until I turn it off then leaves a few ounces on the pavement.
>Should I be
looking for something more than another rad cap?
>
Sounds like a
classic water pump leak, especially if you are at 60,000
miles. It leaks up
inside the timing cover, gets all over the timing belt,
and drips out the
bottom. There are no hoses anywhere nearby. A simple
pressure test at the
dealer will find it.
If you are still covered by warranty, the dealer is
supposed to replace the
timing belt too, because coolant ruins it. That's
probably why they tried
to fix it with a lower pressure cap.
If you
are not covered by warranty, you're looking at $700.
If you have not
yet done your 60,000 mile tuneup, this is the perfect time
to do it. Change
the water pump while you are in there. All that stuff is
in the same place --
water pump, timing belt, tensioners, etc. Get it all
at once.
Rich/old
poop/94 VR4/been there, done that with the water pump.
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 11 19:55:13 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id TAA12623
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:55:13 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
63.192.151.72 ([63.192.151.72])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo)
with SMTP id TAA12615
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 11 Oct
1999 19:55:10 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [63.192.151.94] by 63.192.151.72
(AppleShare IP Mail Server 6.2) id 3820 via TCP with SMTP; Mon, 11 Oct 1999
19:52:34 -0700
Mime-Version: 1.0
X-Sender:
saeedi@netcom8.netcom.com
Message-Id:
<v04210103b42852c8226c@[63.192.151.94]>
In-Reply-To:
<000501bf1454$1c4426a0$8d0bc5d1@p9u2n5>
References:
<000501bf1454$1c4426a0$8d0bc5d1@p9u2n5>
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:52:32
-0700
To: "CEskelsen" <cesk@redrock.net>
From: Steve
Saeedi <saeedi@netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Coolant Leak
Cc:
"3000 list" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
At 7:50 PM -0600
10/11/99, CEskelsen wrote:
>My car is leaking coolant. I took it
into the Mitsu dealer two weeks ago
>with the same complaint and after a
thorough check of thermostats I was sent
>on my way with a new radiator
cap. It stopped leaking until today. The car
>doesn't leak
until I turn it off then leaves a few ounces on the pavement.
>Should I be
looking for something more than another rad cap?
I assume you have ruled
out condensation from the air conditioner.
Justa thought.
-
Steve
'91 Stealth R/T
>
>Thanks,
>Cory
Eskelsen
>96 R/T TT
>60,000 miles
>
>For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
>http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 11 20:17:42 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id UAA13037
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:17:42 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
ojm.ml.org (ppp-367.tnt-1.hou.smartworld.net [216.70.83.117])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id UAA13026
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:17:38 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from OJMSERVER [127.0.0.1] by ojm.ml.org [127.0.0.1] with
SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP4.R) for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 11
Oct 1999 22:17:50 -0500
From: "Omar Malik"
<ojm@iname.com>
To: <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Semi-Off-Topic: Rearview Mirror Placement and Mechanics
Date:
Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:17:50 -0500
Message-ID:
<NDBBIMNBJKHKKNBKNCIKMEJNDAAA.ojm@iname.com>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer:
Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)
Importance:
Normal
In-Reply-To:
<Pine.LNX.4.10.9910111718550.16979-100000@alfalfa.pas.rochester.edu>
X-MimeOLE:
Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.207
X-MDaemon-Deliver-To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
X-Return-Path: ojm@iname.com
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
i think they are
adjustable. there are two pivot points on the mirror, one
at the base of the
stalk where it connects to the windshield, and one where
it connects to the
mirror. when i tried adjusting mine, the pivot on the
windshield didn't want
to move, it had been sitting that way for god knows
how long before i bought
my car, it just sorta stuck there. after a little
wiggling around, it came
free. i went out just now and got the mirror pretty
high up, touching the
headliner almost. unless they changed mirrors in 93,
or have different
mirrors on 3ks then stealths, you might wanna examine it.
Omar
92
r/t
> First off, i'm a fairly tall guy and the rear view obstructs my
view to
> the right unless I duck to look under it. Can anyone
recommend a way for
> my to position it higher? Is this
adviseable?
>
> andy
> '93 3000gt vr-4
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 11 20:26:15 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id UAA13369
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:26:15 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
burgoyne.com (burgoyne.com [209.197.0.8])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id UAA13362
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:26:10 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from p9u2n5 (ip138.redrock.net [209.197.11.138])
by
burgoyne.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA04696;
Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:26:03
-0600
Message-ID: <00ce01bf1460$f743e0e0$8d0bc5d1@p9u2n5>
From:
"CEskelsen" <cesk@redrock.net>
To: "Jim Berry"
<fastmax@home.com>,
"3000 list" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<000501bf1454$1c4426a0$8d0bc5d1@p9u2n5>
<043e01bf1455$c06feec0$198d0818@msnv1.occa.home.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Coolant Leak
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:22:02 -0600
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2014.211
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Thanks Jim,
The coolant is definitely
overflowing from the tank. My concern stems
from the fact that the
dealership says the car is running under acceptable
temps but it is still
leaking from the overflow. I just got back from a
drive, thr turbo
timer ran the car for one minute and shut off. I watched
and listened
to the engine bay. After shut down, I could hear the collant
bubble
into the tank and them drop some fluid (approx. 1 to 2 ounces).
Should I give
it a couple days or be more concerned?
Cory
----- Original
Message -----
From: Jim Berry <fastmax@home.com>
To: CEskelsen
<cesk@redrock.net>; 3000 list
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 8:01
PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Coolant
Leak
>
==============================================
>
>
Where does the coolant end up on the ground --- it may just be the
>
overflow bottle being to full and running over when
hot.
>
> Jim Berry
>
>
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 11 21:27:51 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id VAA14211
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:27:51 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.austin.rr.com (sm1.texas.rr.com [24.93.35.54])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id VAA14203
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:27:43 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from bradley ([24.28.71.119]) by mail.austin.rr.com
with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18);
Mon, 11 Oct 1999 23:27:42
-0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
To:
"3000 list" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>,
<Brian@GTPRO.COM>
Subject: Team3S: RPS & Carbon Fiber hood
update.
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 23:30:36 -0500
Message-ID:
<LNBBICBDKNDOJAHLDNDDEELEFAAA.bbedell@austin.rr.com>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer:
Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)
X-MimeOLE: Produced By
Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300
In-reply-to:
<3.0.5.32.19991011212920.00869610@cedar-rapids.net>
Importance:
Normal
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
RPS Clutch:
I received it today, the compound on the disk
looks much different than the
defective one. Rob did manage to
send me a new pressure plate, and not a
rebuilt one. As I predicted
there was no check enclosed. I have not
decided if I want to install a
RPS clutch in my car or not.
Anyone have a TC Clutch holding up
?
Carbon Fiber hood:
Installed it today, it fits very
well. I'll have to do some slight
alignment and a small
modification to the hood latch. (notch the alignment
holes) The hood doesn't
quite latch fully. I'll have to move the latch up
about 1/8
inch. Time involved to fix ~1 hour. This hood is the
best
aftermarket body piece that I've seen. Brian gets my backing
on his
product.
Brad
Check out my home page:
http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#
3612682
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 11 23:31:38 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id XAA16023
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 23:31:38 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mailgw02.execpc.com (sendmail@mailgw02.execpc.com [169.207.3.78])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id XAA16015
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 23:31:35 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from pop01.execpc.com (pop01.execpc.com
[169.207.2.114])
by mailgw02.execpc.com (8.9.1) id BAA30712
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 01:31:34
-0500
Received: from execpc.com (dantooine-2-13.mdm.mke.execpc.com
[169.207.137.141]) by pop01.execpc.com (8.8.8) id BAA14527 for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 01:31:33
-0500
Message-ID: <3802D507.904193E7@execpc.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Oct
1999 01:28:24 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Reply-To:
xwing@execpc.com
Organization: Exec-PC
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95;
U)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Sirius 3000GT Mail List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: B&M Ignition
Upgrade
References: <000801bf1281$825430e0$930bc5d1@p9u2n5>
<002001bf12ab$eb5b4cc0$fbe4e6c2@roger>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
This is good
testing, info and news. I had heard of the B&M deal some time
back
and wondered whether to think about it or the MSD or whatever. If
this
works, that is great. I have a couple reports of MSD DIS units
going
bad, anecdotal only but troubling. Sure do appreciate your
thorough testing,
Roger, because the results are therefore
believable!
Jack Tertadian
"R.G." wrote:
[snips]
> I got "New Volt" ignition amp from B&M free
to
> test on my car. aim to eliminate narrow gap
> plugs under high
boost, to add power to burn additional fuel.
> Unfortunately, even with
gap 0.032, hesitation @ 5000+ is
> still noticeable as well as
measurable=showed on dyno slip.
> New Volt simply was connected into
harness going to coils;
> increases voltage from 12 to 20V;
current
> can reach 2 Amps per fire compared to 0.05 Amps
normally.
> The results were ... zero. I felt hesitation was lower but
second run
> without New Volt gave same result and therefore New Volt did
nothing.
> The increased voltage/current didn't increase energy in
coils.
> During many conversations with development manager at B&M
I
> mentioned the power transistors that switch/activate
> coils may
limit current that can be drawn by the coils. B&M came
> up with same
assumption and decided to check their design. I have
> drawn schematic
that provides very simple bolt-on solution to
> existing ignition system
but I forgot anything about power
> transistors :-( B&M and I are
working on that. Final solution may
> consists of universal B&M New
Volt and additional 3S specific box.
> We are developing
easy
> more powerful ignition for our cars. This does nothing to
>
timing but should increase power to plugs. Result will be
> running plugs
0.045 with enough energy. Increasing boost/fuel results in higher
>
resistance in plug gap.
> B&M New Volt increased voltage but stock
system
> is not able to benefit so no gain was found. I hope to test
solution in
> the next weeks.
> Roger 93 3000GT TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 12 08:25:11 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id IAA21748
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:25:11 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id IAA21741
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:25:06 -0700
(PDT)
From: LotoBoost@aol.com
Received: from LotoBoost@aol.com
by
imo29.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id uVJCa16664 (4401)
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:24:37 -0400
(EDT)
Message-ID: <ced8cc3e.2534acb4@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999
11:24:36 EDT
Subject: Re: Team3S: RPS & Carbon
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: AOL
4.0 for Windows 95 sub 27
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
In a message
dated 10/12/99 3:23:45 PM !!!First Boot!!!, LotoBoost writes:
<< In
a message dated 10/12/99 4:28:51 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
bbedell@austin.rr.com
writes:
< RPS Clutch:
I received it today, the
compound on the disk looks much different than the
defective
one. Rob did manage to send me a new pressure plate, and not
a
rebuilt one. As I predicted there was no check enclosed.
I have not
decided if I want to install a RPS clutch in my car or
not.
Anyone have a TC Clutch holding up ?
>>
Do you have the dual compound disk or full carbon? Most of
the full carbon
disks I've installed have gone south except for the one on
Joe Canella's VR4
(around 600hp). Which makes me wonder if the
break-in plays a big factor in
the life of the Carbon?
I've only
installed one of the new dual compound disks in a Stealth/VR4 so
not sure
how it will end up, but have had some experience with the dual
compound on
the Supra Twin Turbo. So far they tend to chatter alot less (at
least
three out of four so far) and have held for three weeks so far on
500-600rwhp Supras. The Dual Compound on the Stealth also chatters
alot less
(none) and has a hair less pedal effort.
I think RPS is
definatly headed in the right direction.. I'll post more
after the
Stealth (has about 525hp) gets to the track.
Mike
1994 Stealth tt
Best et: 11.4 Best mph: 122
www.AlteredAtmosphere.com
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 12 09:36:04 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA22930
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:36:04 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
wiesbaden.netsurf.de (nero.wiesbaden.netsurf.de [194.163.168.140])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id JAA22923
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:36:00 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from wiesbaden.netsurf.de by wiesbaden.netsurf.de with
esmtp
(Smail3.2.0.95 #28) id m11b51M-001lg3C; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:43:28 +0100
(MET)
Message-ID: <3802D26C.4AACE74D@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Date:
Tue, 12 Oct 1999 07:17:16 +0100
From: Matthews
<matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en,ja
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Gil Gomes
<gil@warpedweb.com>
CC: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re:
Team3S: New Website
References:
<007401bf1458$8173f100$140100b6@monster>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> Gil Gomes
wrote:
>
> I'm no rookie... but I would like some
> feedback
from you guys regarding
> what you'd like to find on a website
>
that might be helpful to you.
I'd like to see how I can get my car in the
10s for $1000 or less while
maintaining 100% reliability and improved gas
mileage. Thanx. ;-)
-Jim
P.S.- Please take your mailer
out of HTML mode when posting to the
list. Thanx!!
--
Jim
Matthews - Wiesbaden, Germany
matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (64 Kbps
ISDN)
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews
*** 3000GT-Stealth
International (3Si) Member #0030
***
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews/stealth.html
Jet Black '94
Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension,
Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 72%
BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark
plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
Metal Matrix brake pads, custom braided
brake lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 168mph
G-Tech
Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 406 SAE
HP, 354 lb-ft torque
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 12 12:34:55 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id MAA26061
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:34:55 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
cffsr011.cf (mwaa.com [209.48.217.9])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id MAA26054
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:34:52 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by cffsr011.cf with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id
<4TBDMLSA>; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:35:43 -0400
Message-ID:
<AFCD395A19B7D2118E0900902732D17E560760@cffsr011.cf>
From:
"Wallis, Gavin" <WallisG@MWAA.com>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: FAQ help
Date: Tue, 12 Oct
1999 15:35:39 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Happy belated
anniversary to Team 3/S. Man that was a quick year...
Need a little help
from you guys for the FAQ. As I currently have 1000+ FAQ
messages to sort
through I need to be able to take my work home. I can't
access my mailbox
from home for security reasons. So what is the best way to
take all these
gobs of messages in MS Outlook to my home computer and have
them all neatly
organized in their respected folders. Archive?
Yes I used to be a network
engineer, and yes I'm being lazy, and yes I'm
wasting list time. But my time
is super full (y2k) and I just want this one
to be told to me so I can get
rev. 1 of this big 'ole FAQ out.
E-mail me privately of
course.
Thanks,
Gavin
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt
Tue Oct 12 13:11:14 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id NAA26524
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:11:14 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mailhost.oeaa.com (mailhost.oeaa.com [216.103.199.12])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id NAA26517
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:11:00 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by mailhost.oeaa.com with Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
id <TZS6ZAW7>; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:07:18
-0700
Message-ID:
<111D7AE95918D311A41D0060970F86E44250FC@mailhost.oeaa.com>
From: Luis
Interiano <Interian@oeaa.com>
To: "Stealth-3000gt (E-mail)"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Cleaning
Engine
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:07:15 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Gentlemen,
I
have put quite a few miles on my 3K and the engine compartment has got
fairly
dirty I am now think of cleaning it. Members who have cleaned their
3K
engines, any words of advice on what to cover and the best way to do
so.
Thank in advance.
Luis
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Tue Oct 12 19:45:43 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
TAA02413
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:45:43 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail2.tor.accglobal.net (mail2.tor.accglobal.net
[204.92.55.104])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
TAA02406
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 12 Oct 1999
19:45:25 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from ppp-167.m2-4.tor.ican.net
([142.154.21.167] helo=default)
by mail2.tor.accglobal.net with smtp (Exim
2.11 #1)
id 11bEPo-0006WD-02; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:45:21 -0400
Message-ID:
<004401bf14cd$3bdc2e80$a7159a8e@default>
From: "nketo"
<nketo@accglobal.net>
To: "Brad Bedell"
<bbedell@austin.rr.com>,
"3000 list" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>,
<Brian@GTPRO.COM>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RPS & Carbon Fiber hood
update.
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:08:34 -0800
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3110.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
To everyone,
I also inquired about those carbon fiber
hoods from Brian.
Apparently he's working on a new design that has a
"hot air" vent on top
of the engine and a genuine Viper GTS(?) hood
scoop that directs
cool air to the intake.
He mentioned it'll take around
4-6 weeks before they're
made.
Lates
-Noble
>
>Carbon Fiber
hood:
>
>Installed it today, it fits very well. I'll
have to do some slight
>alignment and a small modification to the hood
latch. (notch the alignment
>holes) The hood doesn't quite latch
fully. I'll have to move the latch up
>about 1/8 inch.
Time involved to fix ~1 hour. This hood is the best
>aftermarket
body piece that I've seen. Brian gets my backing on
his
>product.
>
>Brad
>Check out my home page:
http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
> E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com
ICQ# 3612682
>
>
>
>For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 12 21:48:32 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id VAA03873
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:48:32 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu
[136.142.185.11])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
VAA03866
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 12 Oct 1999
21:48:28 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from geocities.com
(ehdup-u-94.rmt.net.pitt.edu
[136.142.23.204])
by
post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP
(8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2)
ID
<AAA12215@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu>;
Wed, 13 Oct 1999 00:45:32 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
<38040D7A.94F32B1F@geocities.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 00:41:30
-0400
From: "John T. Christian"
<jczoom@geocities.com>
Reply-To: jczoom@iname.com
X-Mailer: Mozilla
4.05 [en] (Win95; U)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Ken Middaugh
<Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
CC: Team 3S
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>,
htsparts@ix.netcom.com,
wmsbrakes@aol.com, Brad Bedell BIG BRAKES
<bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Road racing - Cracked
rotor and brake pad failure
References:
<LNBBICBDKNDOJAHLDNDDAEHHFAAA.bbedell@austin.rr.com>
<38021872.73401576@gat.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hi Ken &
all,
check my HomePage for 'Adventures in braking and see for
yourself. Also
go to Brad's HomePage and look at the 'BIG RED
KIT'. Yes, Brad's kit
and the Supra
rotors(htsparts@ix.netcom.com) work well with Paul
Weston's
pads(wmsbrakes@aol.com).
What else do you
want???
I'll be going to MidOhio Oct23 & 24 and Carolina MotorSport
Park Oct 30
& 31 so I'll have more miles and info about the life of pads
with the
new system. It's the best I've put on my TT so
far.
The BBQ'ed Porterfield R4 with the stock '94 rotor/caliper usually
got
me thru one day of a driving school. Stock pads would last about
one or
two sessions(about 25-50 miles).
Never did CRACK a stock
rotor. Groved them pretty good though! Did
put some nasty heat
checks in many. Warped many at the track. Never
warped them on
the street.
[snip]
Ken Middaugh wrote:
>
> >Seems the
94+ rotors are prone to cracking from the hub. Maybe we
> >should
look into finding a good replacement.
You are NEVER going to be satisfied
with stock rotors for Road Racing.
The pads are TOO small and generate too
much heat. The stock rotors
cannot disipate the heat fast
enough.
Don't----- repeat don't do Road Courses with the 91-93 braking
system.
The '94 system isn't much better. Plan to replace pads during
the
driving school--- probably rotors also.
> Brad,
once-upon-a-time I thought that you were investigating rotors for your
>
Porsche Big-Red caliper upgrade kit. Was this a rumor, did you find
anything, did you give up?
Brad is the person who suggested the Supra
rotors. You do have to have
a machining source to turn the inside pilot
dia to fit over our hub.
The inboard smallest dia portion of the sweep will
rub a little on the
hub mount, but will eventually grind enough away for
clearance.
> Also, a couple of weeks ago John Christian reported
that he has been using
> directional rotors from a Supra with Brad's
caliper upgrade and KPF (??) pads
> with very good results on his '93
Stealth TT. "That combination had survived
> 200 track miles
and the pads are only half used--the rotors are only slightly
>
groved." I was hoping John could share a few more specifics but he
hasn't
> answered any of my emails yet. Hey John, are you out
there?
Yeh, I'm here with the "new ISP and new Mailbox"
UGGGHHhhhhh the Lynx
and DOS with ASCII using Telix and the digest version
was a lot easier
on me than this new technology with a gazillian
individual messages.
> -
--
JCZoooM 93 TT
12.46@109Mph Now with Porsche brakes and Supra
Rotors
Email---> JCZooM@iname.com
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/flats/4538
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Tue Oct 12 22:13:16 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
WAA04198
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:13:16 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu
(root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id WAA04191
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:13:12 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from geocities.com (ehdup-u-94.rmt.net.pitt.edu
[136.142.23.204])
by
post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP
(8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2)
ID
<BAA02074@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu>;
Wed, 13 Oct 1999 01:10:20 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
<38041349.7480F3BE@geocities.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 01:06:17
-0400
From: "John T. Christian"
<jczoom@geocities.com>
Reply-To: jczoom@iname.com
X-Mailer: Mozilla
4.05 [en] (Win95; U)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Jim Berry
<fastmax@home.com>
CC: team 3si
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ABS
operation
References:
<042201bf1454$d0e462a0$198d0818@msnv1.occa.home.com>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hi Jim &
all,
You'll like the new brakes. BTW you did also buy the VR4 rims
also???
Cause the 93 TT rims are smaller inside and will NOT clear the
Porsche
calipers. Perhaps you have after market
rims.
Never felt ABS on dry pavement with the stock system. With
Brad's
you'll feel the pedal pulse and see patches of your 245x45x17 on
the
pavement. You'll also have brake dust on your rims. Now I
know what
"threshold braking" is.
Be of good
cheer
John
Jim Berry wrote:
>
> I recently purchased a
set of Brads " big red Porsche brakes " from
> David
Skultetys' and his recently deceased 93 VR4 [ RIP ].
> If and when
UPS gets tired of shuttling them around the country I will
> install them
on my 93TT.
> The question is --- what should a panic stop feel
like in our cars and is
> it that my existing system just can't lock
up the wheels, the squealing
> indicates that one wheel is locking
or at least impending lockup
>
> Jim
Berry
>
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
--
JCZoooM 93 TT
12.46@109Mph Now with Porsche brakes and Supra
rotors
Email---> JCZooM@iname.com
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/flats/4538
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Tue Oct 12 22:19:30 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
WAA04284
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:19:30 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail.austin.rr.com (sm1.texas.rr.com
[24.93.35.54])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
WAA04277
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 12 Oct 1999
22:19:26 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from bradley ([24.28.71.119]) by
mail.austin.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18);
Wed, 13 Oct
1999 00:19:21 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell"
<bbedell@austin.rr.com>
To: <jczoom@iname.com>, "Jim
Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Cc: "team 3si"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: ABS
operation
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 00:22:24 -0500
Message-ID:
<LNBBICBDKNDOJAHLDNDDEEOCFAAA.bbedell@austin.rr.com>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer:
Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)
X-MIMEOLE: Produced By
Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300
In-reply-to:
<38041349.7480F3BE@geocities.com>
Importance: Normal
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Actually the
setup that Dave had will fit on the 93 wheels. The Supra
rotor is
a touch larger and the offset is not as great as the 94+ rotors.
Jim, If
you have any problems or any questions on the brakes let me know.
I
don't have problems setting the ABS off with my 255 40 17's at 120mph.
:)
I finally warped the rotors though, 14,000 miles of street use. The
pads
are about 1/2 worn.
A word to the wise with these brakes,
Upgrade to the 94+ two piston rear
calipers and rotors also. The brake
bias to the front makes for tricky
driving; on hard braking if you need to
make any steering wheel input the
rear end is real light and could come
around on you.
Brad
Check out my home page:
http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#
3612682
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On
Behalf Of John T. Christian
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 12:06 AM
To:
Jim Berry
Cc: team 3si
Subject: Re: Team3S: ABS operation
Hi Jim
& all,
You'll like the new brakes. BTW you did also buy the VR4
rims also???
Cause the 93 TT rims are smaller inside and will NOT clear the
Porsche
calipers. Perhaps you have after market
rims.
Never felt ABS on dry pavement with the stock system. With
Brad's
you'll feel the pedal pulse and see patches of your 245x45x17 on
the
pavement. You'll also have brake dust on your rims. Now I
know what
"threshold braking" is.
Be of good
cheer
John
Jim Berry wrote:
>
> I recently purchased a
set of Brads " big red Porsche brakes " from
> David
Skultetys' and his recently deceased 93 VR4 [ RIP ].
> If and when
UPS gets tired of shuttling them around the country I will
> install them
on my 93TT.
> The question is --- what should a panic stop feel
like in our cars and is
> it that my existing system just can't lock
up the wheels, the squealing
> indicates that one wheel is locking
or at least impending lockup
>
> Jim
Berry
>
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
--
JCZoooM 93 TT
12.46@109Mph Now with Porsche brakes and Supra
rotors
Email--->
JCZooM@iname.com
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/flats/4538
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Tue Oct 12 23:43:36 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
XAA05033
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 23:43:36 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from Mail.austin.rr.com (sm2.texas.rr.com
[24.93.35.55])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
XAA05026
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 12 Oct 1999
23:43:33 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from bradley ([24.28.71.119]) by
Mail.austin.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18);
Wed, 13 Oct
1999 01:37:10 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell"
<bbedell@austin.rr.com>
To: "Team 3S"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Parts for sale
(again)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 01:46:37 -0500
Message-ID:
<LNBBICBDKNDOJAHLDNDDIEOJFAAA.bbedell@austin.rr.com>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer:
Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)
X-MIMEOLE: Produced By
Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300
In-reply-to:
<38021872.73401576@gat.com>
Importance: Normal
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Parts off a 92
VR4, pearl white unless otherwise specified: Parts will
need
painted.
Hood, and caps (200)
front & rear bumper
100ea
Lower side panels(rocker covers) 150 ea
headlight assemblies
(L&R) 200 ea
Rear Active aero wing 200
Rear wiper & motor
100
RSR lowering springs, 150
Stereo:
92/93 Premium stereo
(surround & cassette) 200
Pioneer DEH 435 fm/am/CD
150
Soundstream Ref 500 amp 275
Soundstream Granite 180.6
150
Brad
Check out my home page:
http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#
3612682
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 13 08:47:40 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id IAA10155
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:47:40 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id IAA10147
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:47:37 -0700
(PDT)
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
Received: from TurboDrvn@aol.com
by
imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id uYFGa03805 (4265)
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:47:13 -0400
(EDT)
Message-ID: <0.d75eb084.25360380@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Oct
1999 11:47:12 EDT
Subject: Team3S: Update: Still NO BOOST!!!!!!
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer:
Windows AOL sub 44
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hey
everyone,
First of all, I would
like to thank each and EVERY one of you who replied
(via privately or to the
list) to my post. I truly appreciate all of your
suggestions!!!
Update: My buddy (Mitsu. mechanic) and I checked everything out
again.
Here's my status:
1) The wastegates are
healthy/fine; they are not stuck open; tested &
appeared operable.
2) The turbos seem fine as
well; we did a visual on both turbos' compressor
side
wheels; they spun freely with no play; we also started up the car and
gave
some throttle to see if the compressor side of the turbos were
circulating air; and sure enough these turbos were circulating a
PLENTY of
air; which made us believe that the
exhaust/hot side of the turbos are
healthy; Because IF I had a
problem with my exhaust/hot side of the
turbine wheels, we
guessed that the compressor side would also be seized up
or somewhat
problematic; that was NOT the case; they seem to spin
freely
therefore seem fine/healthy. (Removal of Turbos will
be my absolute LAST,
last resort).
3) We also
plugged up (one at time) the hoses that lead to the y-pipe; we
also pressure tested the hoses that lead to the
intercoolers; everything
checked out
healthy/fine! No leaks were found and the clamps were all
tight!!
4) We even by-passed my GReddy Profec B boost controller
and set my stock
boost system up; we also checked the stock boost
solenoid; So my GReddy
boost controller checked out
okay/fine. Still NO Boost!!!
5) During my initial post re: this
problem I mentioned that we tested my
Apex'i Sequential blow off valve
with a Mighty VAC; and that checked out
okay/fine as well;
but I will try my stock blow off valve sometime soon.
So everything
mechanical checked out okay!!?? Which leads me to believe, "do
I
have an electrical/ECU problem????" Any thoughts from you
guys?????
My next plan of attack:
1) Check all Spark plugs
(Current NGK's gapped at .032 about 7,000 miles
old); I'm
wondering if my rear plugs are real fouled up or faulty??? Due
to how
rich (HKS fuel pump and 550cc .injectors) I was running or due
to
possible worn valve seals?????? IF I
REPLACE with new NGK's spark plugs
again; maybe I should NOT
re-gap to .032 and leave at stock/factory
gap??????
2) Compression test
3) replace my
Apex'i bov with stock bov. (worth a try)
4) Is there a setting on
my new Apex'i Super AFC that may be the cause of
this
problem??????????? ( I highly
doubt it) But Roger, you mentioned
before if I'm running too rich????
Can I just unplug
the AFC? since there is no Power OFF.
5) Are my Magnecore 8.5 mm.
KV85's defective????? (I'm just reaching for
ideas!)
6) don't
know what else to check???????????????????
Any ideas would truly, TRULY
be appreciated!!!
Thanks in advance.
Ahmed "AL-Crazy"
- '92 VR4 - Going thru some major withdrawals!!!!! I am
driving a VR4 with NO BOOST!!!!! and some smoke at ocassional
deceleration
and stops (I believe this is due to possible worn valve
seals).
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 13 09:08:32 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA10563
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:08:32 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
exchange1.bigcharts.com (exchange1.BigCharts.com [206.146.143.5])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id JAA10556
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:08:24 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id
<4RB1HT0N>; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:12:18 -0500
Message-ID:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F75F3@EXCHANGE1>
From: Matt Jannusch
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Update: Still NO BOOST!!!!!!
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:12:18
-0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="windows-1252"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> 3) We
also plugged up (one at time) the hoses that lead to
> the y-pipe; we
also pressure tested the hoses that lead to
> the intercoolers; everything
checked out healthy/fine! No
> leaks were found and the clamps were
all tight!!
Hmm... How about the hoses that attach to the throttle
body? BOV line? Not sure how the Apex'i BOV works, but the stock one
requires pressure in the line to help work against the boost pressure on the
Y-pipe side to hold the valve closed. The valve opens due to pressure
differential, so if it is seeing no pressure on the input from throttle body, it
might pop open.
> 5) During my initial post re: this problem I
mentioned that
> we tested my Apex'i Sequential blow off valve with
a
> Mighty VAC; and that checked out okay/fine as well; but I
> will
try my stock blow off valve sometime soon.
How do you mean, checked with
a Mighty Vac?
> So everything mechanical checked out okay!!??
Which leads me
> to believe, "do I have an electrical/ECU
problem????" Any
> thoughts from you guys?????
The
boost control system is strictly mechanical in nature. The only part that
is electronically controlled is the maximum boost pressure beyond where the
wastegates are triggered mechanically. I seem to recall that the
mechanical resistance in the wastegates is 6 psi, so you should at least see
that. Since you aren't getting that (as far as we know), then something in
the intake tract or exhaust side of the turbos is not working properly. I
doubt a siezed turbo or other turbo malfunctions since you aren't getting any
boost. Even on one turbo you should still see boost, although it will fall
off very quickly.
> My next plan of attack:
>
> 1)
Check all Spark plugs (Current NGK's gapped at .032 about
> 7,000 miles
old); I'm wondering if my rear plugs are real
> fouled up or
faulty??? Due to how rich (HKS fuel pump and
> 550cc .injectors) I
was running or due to possible worn valve
> seals?????? IF I
REPLACE with new NGK's spark plugs
> again; maybe I should
NOT re-gap to .032 and leave at
> stock/factory
gap??????
I seriously doubt this is the cause. If the car runs at
all, you should still be able to see at least some boost. On my Eclipse I
had a serious problem where it was only injecting fuel into 2 cylinders and I
still got boost. If you suspect worn valve seals, do a compression test to
find out.
> 2) Compression test
:-)
>
3) replace my Apex'i bov with stock bov. (worth a try)
Yes,
do this. Or, just seal the intake pipe where the BOV attaches to verify
that this isn't leaking. Make sure the line from the TB is attached to the
stock BOV.
> 4) Is there a setting on my new Apex'i Super AFC
that may be
> the cause of this problem??????????? ( I highly
>
doubt it) But Roger, you mentioned before if I'm running
> too
rich????
Highly unlikely. If the car is burning any mixture at all,
it should still have enough exhaust gasses to spin the turbos. You
mentioned that the turbos seemed to be sucking in plenty of air when you looked
at the compressor side, so I think your turbos are working fine. The air
just isn't making it into the throttle body (or your boost gauge isn't working,
although it sounds like you can certainly feel that there's no
boost).
> 5) Are my Magnecore 8.5 mm. KV85's
defective????? (I'm just
> reaching for ideas!)
Doesn't
match your symptom list.
> 6) don't know what else to
check???????????????????
I had exactly what you are describing, only my
car still made 6 psi. It was a disconnected stock BOV line. You
could hear the turbos sucking in air (the characteristic turbo whine), but the
BOV was just dumping the air into the pre-turbo side of the intake. If
your BOV vents to atmosphere, then it would be dumping out there and your car
would run very* rich (possibly causing the smoke you are seeing - unburned
fuel).
> Any ideas would truly, TRULY be appreciated!!!
>
Thanks in advance.
I'm placing my bets on the BOV.
:-)
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Wed Oct 13 10:59:02 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
KAA12807
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:59:02 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from cffsr011.cf (mwaa.com [209.48.217.9])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id KAA12800
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:58:53 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by cffsr011.cf with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id
<4TBDMRX0>; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:59:42 -0400
Message-ID:
<AFCD395A19B7D2118E0900902732D17E56076E@cffsr011.cf>
From:
"Wallis, Gavin" <WallisG@MWAA.com>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Gauge placement
Date: Wed,
13 Oct 1999 13:59:41 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail
Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I'm intending to
have 3 gauges installed in my car, 1 boost, 2 EGTs. I would
like to have them
mounted in the valleys between the 3 stock VR-4 gauges.
I've seen a type of
pod mount from Japan, ( I believe on Henry Yam's page),
but that is only for
right side driver seat cars.
Anyone know of any such mounts for US cars?
Any suggestions on how/where to
get it custom done?
Anyone else
interested for maybe a group purchase from a custom
shop?
Thanks,
Gavin
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 13 12:28:51 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id MAA14118
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:28:51 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.shadow.net (mail.shadow.net [204.177.71.231])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id MAA14111
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:28:47 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from carlos (ppp1-208.shadow.net [207.17.59.228])
by
mail.shadow.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA01802;
Wed, 13 Oct 1999
15:30:29 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
<019301bf15b2$402cc0e0$e43b11cf@carlos>
From: "Carlos Q"
<pir8ska@shadow.net>
To:
<robby@swissonline.ch>,
"Team 3S Tech List" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Greddy Type S BOV or just simple BOV question
Date: Wed, 13 Oct
1999 15:36:29 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3110.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
When i bought my Greddy Type S bov from the dynamic turbo people, i
asked
about that, they told me that that second port is to use the valve as a
"pop
off valve". i have no idea what this means.... please
enlighten me =)
Carlos
-----Original Message-----
From:
R.G. <robby@swissonline.ch>
To: Team 3S Tech List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Friday, October 08, 1999 4:59
PM
Subject: Team3S: Greddy Type S BOV or just simple BOV
question
>I got the Greddy Type S BOV (well more a BPV) today and
during the
installation
>I found myself in saying ... "why the
heck does the thing have to vacuum
ports"
>?? I took the thing
apart (yes, I take everything apart to find out what's
>inside, hehe) and
I noticed that the second port goes to the intake side of
the
>valve.
But I just don't know what hose I should connect to the port.
Any
ideas
>??
>
>Thanks,
>Roger
>93'3000GT
TT
>For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Wed Oct 13 14:08:20 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
OAA15728
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:08:20 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail1.tor.accglobal.net (mail1.tor.accglobal.net
[204.92.55.105])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
OAA15717
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 13 Oct 1999
14:08:13 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from ppp-070.m2-17.tor.ican.net
([142.154.19.70] helo=default)
by mail1.tor.accglobal.net with smtp (Exim
2.11 #1)
id 11bVd0-0006jj-01
for stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com; Wed, 13
Oct 1999 17:08:08 -0400
Message-ID:
<000c01bf14fd$af83e000$46139a8e@default>
From: "nketo"
<nketo@accglobal.net>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Update:
Still NO BOOST!!!!!!
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:03:46 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3110.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
-----Original Message-----
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
<TurboDrvn@aol.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 8:48
AM
Subject: Team3S: Update: Still NO BOOST!!!!!!
Hi Al,
I would
try to inspect the BOV assembly. Replace the origional factory
BOV
assembly and lines to OEM specs.
Since you're getting the turbos to
spin, the air has to go somewhere right?
It could be your valve for whatever
reason is open and not letting boost
build
up in the intake
plenium.
Good luck
-Noble
PS: Worn seals doesn't mean you won't
get any boost.:)
>Hey everyone,
>
>
First of all, I would like to thank each and EVERY one of you
who
replied
>(via privately or to the list) to my post. I truly
appreciate all of your
>suggestions!!!
>
>Update: My
buddy (Mitsu. mechanic) and I checked everything out again.
>Here's my
status:
>
>1) The wastegates are healthy/fine; they are not
stuck open; tested &
>appeared
operable.
>2) The turbos seem fine as well; we did a visual on both
turbos'
compressor
>side wheels; they spun freely
with no play; we also started up the car
and
>gave some
throttle to see if the compressor side of the turbos were
>circulating
air; and sure enough these turbos were circulating a
PLENTY
of
>air; which made us believe
that the exhaust/hot side of the turbos are
>healthy; Because IF I
had a problem with my exhaust/hot side of the
>turbine
wheels, we guessed that the compressor side would also be
seized
up
>or somewhat problematic; that was NOT the
case; they seem to spin
freely
>therefore seem
fine/healthy. (Removal of Turbos will be my
absolute
LAST,
>last resort).
>3) We also plugged up (one
at time) the hoses that lead to the y-pipe; we
>also
pressure tested the hoses that lead to the intercoolers;
everything
>checked out healthy/fine! No
leaks were found and the clamps were all
>tight!!
>4) We even
by-passed my GReddy Profec B boost controller and set my stock
>boost
system up; we also checked the stock boost solenoid; So my GReddy
>boost
controller checked out okay/fine. Still NO Boost!!!
>5) During
my initial post re: this problem I mentioned that we tested
my
>Apex'i Sequential blow off valve with a Mighty VAC; and that
checked out
>okay/fine as well; but I will try my stock
blow off valve sometime soon.
>
>So everything mechanical checked
out okay!!?? Which leads me to believe,
"do
>I have an
electrical/ECU problem????" Any thoughts from you
guys?????
>
>My next plan of attack:
>
>1) Check
all Spark plugs (Current NGK's gapped at .032 about 7,000 miles
>old);
I'm wondering if my rear plugs are real fouled up or faulty???
Due
>to how rich (HKS fuel pump and 550cc .injectors) I
was running or due to
>possible worn valve
seals?????? IF I REPLACE with new NGK's spark
plugs
>again;
maybe I should NOT re-gap to .032 and leave
at stock/factory
>gap??????
>2)
Compression test
>3) replace my Apex'i bov with stock bov.
(worth a try)
>4) Is there a setting on my new Apex'i Super AFC that
may be the cause
of
>this
problem??????????? ( I
highly
>doubt it) But Roger, you mentioned
before if I'm running too rich????
>Can I just unplug the
AFC? since there is no Power OFF.
>5) Are my Magnecore 8.5 mm.
KV85's defective????? (I'm just reaching
for
>ideas!)
>6) don't know what else to
check???????????????????
>
>Any ideas would truly, TRULY be
appreciated!!!
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Ahmed
"AL-Crazy" - '92 VR4 - Going thru some major
withdrawals!!!!! I
am
>driving a VR4 with NO
BOOST!!!!! and some smoke at ocassional
deceleration
>and
stops (I believe this is due to possible worn valve seals).
>For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 13 15:01:43 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id PAA16900
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:01:43 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id PAA16893
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:01:40 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from h3a2q3 (207-172-143-168.s168.tnt1.hgt.md.dialup.rcn.com
[207.172.143.168])
by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id
SAA28080
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 13 Oct 1999
18:01:38 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
<014401bf15c7$c76937e0$598faccf@h3a2q3>
From: "Accelerated
Accessories" <meyer2@erols.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Need Burnt
ECU
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 18:10:35 -0400
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
multipart/alternative;
boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0141_01BF15A6.3F4B09E0"
X-Priority:
3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express
4.72.3110.1
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
This is a
multi-part message in MIME
format.
------=_NextPart_000_0141_01BF15A6.3F4B09E0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
quoted-printable
I need a transistor out of a 1991-1993 TT ECU. The
ECU can be bad as =
long as the ignition drivers are still O.K. Please
call if you can help =
me. Thanks in
advance.
Matt
301-393-8800
www.AcceleratedAccessories.com
------=_NextPart_000_0141_01BF15A6.3F4B09E0
Content-Type:
text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
quoted-printable
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3
HTML//EN">
<HTML>
<HEAD>
<META
content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1
=
http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
<META content=3D'"MSHTML
4.72.3110.7"' name=3DGENERATOR>
</HEAD>
<BODY
bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I need
a transistor out of a =
1991-1993 TT=20
ECU. The ECU can be bad
as long as the ignition drivers are still=20
O.K. Please call if
you can help me. Thanks in
=
advance.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2>Matt</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=3D2>301-393-8800</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT
color=3D#000000
size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://www.AcceleratedAccessories.com">www.AcceleratedAccessories=
.com</A></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
------=_NextPart_000_0141_01BF15A6.3F4B09E0--
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 13 19:00:11 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id TAA20932
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:00:11 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.austin.rr.com (sm1.texas.rr.com [24.93.35.54])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id TAA20925
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:00:03 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from bradley ([24.28.71.119]) by mail.austin.rr.com
with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18);
Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:59:36
-0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>, <Brian@GTPRO.COM>
Subject:
Team3S: Pictures of Carbon fiber hood and body panel fitments.
Date: Wed, 13
Oct 1999 21:02:45 -0500
Message-ID:
<LNBBICBDKNDOJAHLDNDDMEAMFBAA.bbedell@austin.rr.com>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="Windows-1252"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer:
Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)
X-MimeOLE: Produced By
Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300
Importance: Normal
In-Reply-To:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F75F3@EXCHANGE1>
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/99bodypanels.htm
New Page
2
This is a quick fitment before the car goes to the body shop for
paintwork.
Brad
Check out my home page:
http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#
3612682
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 14 00:57:11 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id AAA25617
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:57:11 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.swissonline.ch (mail.swissonline.ch [62.2.32.83])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id AAA25608
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:57:07 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from swissonline.ch (unk-131-135-126.peoplesoft.com
[216.131.135.126] (may be forged))
by mail.swissonline.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with
ESMTP id JAA04455;
Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:57:00 +0200 (MET DST)
Message-ID:
<38058CFD.B9F13211@swissonline.ch>
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:57:49
+0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Organization:
Peoplesoft Switzerland / Office
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: TurboDrvn@aol.com
CC:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Update: Still NO
BOOST!!!!!!
References: <0.d75eb084.25360380@aol.com>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> 3) We
also plugged up (one at time) the hoses that lead to the y-pipe; we
>
also pressure tested the hoses that lead to the intercoolers;
everything
> checked out healthy/fine! No
leaks were found and the clamps were all
> tight!!
Ok, there is
only one hose that goes into the y-pipe :-) Pulling the hoses from
the ellbow
and capping off the nipple will keep the wastegates closed..... if
the WG
actuators spring are still strong enough.
> 5) During my initial
post re: this problem I mentioned that we tested my
> Apex'i
Sequential blow off valve with a Mighty VAC; and that checked out
>
okay/fine as well; but I will try my stock blow off valve
sometime soon.
Yes, it works but I's say it is probably open too early
and causes the air to
blow out even at low boost. As the BOVs work with the
pressure differential
between the y-pipe and the intake plenum the feeder
line may be a problem.
> So everything mechanical checked out
okay!!?? Which leads me to believe, "do
> I have an
electrical/ECU problem????" Any thoughts from you
guys?????
No, I doubt this, although the ECU may be in the emergency
program. With this no
boost will be generated as the ignition and fuel maps
are very low values and do
not create a lot of power. As my car was in this
situation, I was not able to
create anything above atm ! Have you already
tried to reset the ECU (I guess so)
or are you able to get the codes scanned
? Maybe you can borrow a TMO datalogger
(works on your year !) or maybe you
already have one :-)
> 1) Check all Spark plugs (Current NGK's
gapped at .032 about 7,000 miles
> old); I'm wondering if my
rear plugs are real fouled up or faulty??? Due
> to how rich
(HKS fuel pump and 550cc .injectors) I was running or due
to
> possible worn valve seals??????
IF I REPLACE with new NGK's spark plugs
> again; maybe I
should NOT re-gap to .032 and leave at
stock/factory
> gap??????
No, problems related to this causes
stumble or hesitation but you will always
see boost !
> 2)
Compression test
Good... maybe a lot carbon deposits on the intake valves
that prevents them from
closing.
> 3) replace my Apex'i bov
with stock bov. (worth a try)
Yes, yes !
> 4) Is
there a setting on my new Apex'i Super AFC that may be the cause of
>
this
problem??????????? ( I highly
> doubt it) But Roger, you mentioned
before if I'm running too rich????
> Can I just unplug the
AFC? since there is no Power OFF.
No, I may misspelled somethign as
again, this would cause a stumble or
hesitation but boost must be there in
any way. You can simply reconnect the MAS
wire you spliced the AFC in but I
doubt the problem is here. What are your A/F
readings. If they are rich and
no sign of dangerous lean even around atm I doubt
that the problem is related
to fuel.
> 5) Are my Magnecore 8.5 mm. KV85's
defective????? (I'm just reaching for
> ideas!)
Again,
hesitation would be what you'd feel.
> 6) don't know what else
to check???????????????????
I think everything is narrowed down to the
BOV and related to the lines and
hoses around it (simply said: a leak in the
y-pipe) OR the ECU is in the
emergency mode. This mode is activated if too
much knock is counted over a
specific time (repeated). If everything is back
to good again, it heals itselfs
and comes back. Usually a Check Engine light
comes up but I'd not bet on this as
I also runned in this mode without any
light twice (note: before the rebuild...)
I for sure wish to see a datalog so
maybe a DSM owner is in your area to help
you out.
Good luck and let
us know about the stock BPV (easy test)
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 14 07:08:21 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id HAA29136
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 07:08:21 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
dvn.com (devons2.dvn.com [206.41.136.98])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id HAA29109
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 07:08:15 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from DVNGATE-Message_Server by dvn.com
with
Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:05:31 -0500
Message-Id:
<s8059cdb.021@dvn.com>
X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5
Date: Thu, 14
Oct 1999 09:05:10 -0500
From: "Ryan Floyd"
<FloydR@dvn.com>
To: <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Mileage question
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=US-ASCII
Content-Disposition: inline
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
8bit
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.sirius.com
id HAA29115
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
When I bought my 92 RT/TT I was getting around 30MPG.
Everything was stock that I was aware of. My tranny died and I replaced
it, my transfer case, and since it was in the shop anyway I put on a K&N
FIPK, Accel Thundersport wires (I didn't know about Magnacores) Timing belt,
water pump, tensioner, and plugs. I wanted NGK's but I needed to have my
car back so I settled for Rapidfire plugs, and I had them gapped to .034.
(cause I am getting ready to up the boost) Problem is that now I get
15MPG. I verified this today. 75 miles 5 gallons. My question
is: do those plugs just suck, or do they suck and the gap need to be readjusted,
or is my problem something else, I run 93 octane so with my 150 mile commute
this is getting expensive quick. Any help??
Ryan
MCSE/ASE
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 14 07:31:47 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id HAA29950
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 07:31:47 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
dvn.com (devons2.dvn.com [206.41.136.98])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id HAA29943
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 07:31:44 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from DVNGATE-Message_Server by dvn.com
with
Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:24:25 -0500
Message-Id:
<s805a149.023@dvn.com>
X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5
Date: Thu, 14
Oct 1999 09:24:07 -0500
From: "Ryan Floyd"
<FloydR@dvn.com>
To: <jbasol@Carlson.com>
Cc:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Mileage
question
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=US-ASCII
Content-Disposition: inline
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
8bit
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.sirius.com
id HAA29944
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Guys I know 30Mpg sounds unbelieveable... but I verified it, however
I was also shifting at 2 grand through all the gears, which I was told was bad
on the oil pressure, now I shift around 2700 and the pressure is fine, but the
mileage shouldn't drop by more than 10 just cause of 700 rpm. Okay so now
I have a sub question... NGK or NGK platinum?? Does anyone have an
Autozone or an O'Reilly Autoparts store near that they can actually verify the
part numbers??? (I only ask cause the guys that work around here are
idiots!) And also does this mean that I should get 18-25 with the plugs
gapped down?? Or is that stock gap?
MCSE/ASE
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Thu Oct 14 08:12:35 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
IAA00863
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:12:35 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from riven.plaza.ds.adp.com ([139.126.16.128])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id IAA00856
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:12:31 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from exchange04.plaza.ds.adp.com ([139.126.124.14]) by
riven.plaza.ds.adp.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA03889; Thu, 14 Oct 1999
08:13:25 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by exchange04.plaza.ds.adp.com with Internet
Mail Service (5.5.2232.9)
id <45YG0ZVB>; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:12:47
-0700
Message-ID:
<2B6D2E7F9E0AD311AB0500805FB7ECD00F415E@EXCHANGE01>
From: Chris Winkley
<cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
To: "'Ryan Floyd'"
<FloydR@dvn.com>, jbasol@Carlson.com
Cc:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Mileage question
Date:
Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:11:34 -0700
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail
Service (5.5.2232.9)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Ryan...
Well, you must have a very light foot and keep the
speed down to 55 mph to
get 30 mpg. I managed to get 21 mpg once (when my
engine was stock). That
was on a 800 mile drive to San Francisco, with speeds
up to 145 mph, and I
did try to keep it in sixth (painful). I rarely get out
of third gear,
fourth is for speeds above 85 mph. Fifth and sixth have been
used less than
ten times in the last two years. Just a difference in driving
habits, but
then, mine is not a commuter car. Now, to answer your
questions:
1. Yes, you should expect your gas mileage to drop with a
tighter gap, but
15 mpg is a huge drop with all other variables remaining the
same.
2. You should have NGK double platinums. The correct part number is:
NGK
PFR6J-11
3. The stock gap is .044", a gap of .034" should
work fine for 15 psi.
Pull one of the front ones, check the part number,
check the gap. Some shops
are VERY sloppy.
BTW...I now average 11 - 12
mpg, around town, which is 90+% of the driving I
do. I tend to cruise at 4500
rpm so I can use the compression to slow me
down (saving my brakes). I love
that range from 4000 rpm to 6000 rpm, can't
imagine not using it
constantly.
Looking forward...Chris
-----Original
Message-----
From: Ryan Floyd [mailto:FloydR@dvn.com]
Sent: Thursday,
October 14, 1999 7:24 AM
To: jbasol@Carlson.com
Cc:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Mileage
question
Guys I know 30Mpg sounds unbelieveable... but I verified it,
however I was
also shifting at 2 grand through all the gears, which I was
told was bad on
the oil pressure, now I shift around 2700 and the pressure is
fine, but the
mileage shouldn't drop by more than 10 just cause of 700
rpm. Okay so now I
have a sub question... NGK or NGK
platinum?? Does anyone have an Autozone
or an O'Reilly Autoparts store
near that they can actually verify the part
numbers??? (I only ask
cause the guys that work around here are idiots!)
And also does this mean
that I should get 18-25 with the plugs gapped down??
Or is that stock gap?
MCSE/ASE
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 14 08:31:23 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id IAA01130
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:31:23 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
spool.webzone.net (mta@mail.webzone.net [205.219.23.67])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id IAA01121
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:31:19 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from benson ([208.152.103.214]) by
spool.webzone.net
(post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-12689) with SMTP id
AAA22606
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:29:35 -0500
Message-ID:
<002401bf1654$4f908b00$10c9c9c9@benson>
From: "Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell" <benson@2015.com>
To: "3000GT
Mailing" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Mileage question
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:56:34 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Man Chris you REALLY like to stay in that 'zone' don't ya ;)p.
You must be
like the stop-light king or something in yer area (not like
that's a bad
thing mind ya ;)p.
I used to get around 21 - 24 mpg city,
and could get close to 30 on the
high-way (doing speeds of around 80 -
100). But ever since I put on the
underdrive pulley I've been getting
less now (but I think that's due to me
'testing' it out soo often ;)p.
I think I'm getting close to 20 now, but
I'll find out after this current
tank of gas.
Some interesting news for you non-turbo fans out there (like
myself :), I've
been posting a few items on www.3000gt.com discussion group
regarding what
I've found can be done to the non-turbo's, and a gentleman was
telling me
about how there's a shop where he lives with a friend of his that
is custom
making a down-pipe for him. I'm asking him to email me after
he gets it and
puts it on to see what the quality of it's like. But if
it's good, this is
good news for us non-turbo peoplez :).
Latufh fuh
U,
Benson
benson@2015.com
"-Do you ever have second
thoughts?
-When do I ever have first thoughts?"
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 14 11:04:05 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id LAA04275
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:04:05 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail1.sirius.com (mail1.sirius.com [205.134.253.131])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id LAA04264
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:04:01 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from forrest (ppp-sfx202--108.sirius.net
[205.134.229.108])
by mail1.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id
LAA37214
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 14 Oct 1999
11:03:56 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
<008401bf166e$731c6e80$6ce586cd@forrest.sirius.com>
From: "Bob
Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
To: "Team3S"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Engine Braking; was:
Mileage question
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:02:00 -0700
X-Priority:
3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express
4.72.3612.1700
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3612.1700
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
-----Original Message-----From: Chris
Winkley
<cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
---------snip-------
>do.
I tend to cruise at 4500 rpm so I can use the compression to
slow
me
>down (saving my brakes). I love that range from 4000 rpm to
6000
rpm, can't
>imagine not using it constantly.
Just an
FYI... I run constantly at around 4000 rpm too, and always
use engine
braking to slow down, but I'm using downshifting much
less than I used
to. I saw a TV show about a year ago, with some
old racer talking about
'how to get the most out of your car', or
somesuch... He said that
normal engine braking is fine for a car,
but if you downshift to slow down,
you're adding stress on the
components. The recommendation was that you
should be using the
brakes for 90% of the slowing process, and the lower gear
should be
shifted AS you are reaching the desired speed--
anticipating
acceleration through a corner, for example.
That said, I
admit that I still use (multiple) downshifting when I'm
out 'playing'--
I almost finished off my passenger Darcy's back
once, with whip shifts from
5th thru 2nd trying to follow a faster
AWD car into a diminishing radius
off-ramp at about 100mph-- a car
driven by a guy named Winkley, I
recall! :-) But for most stuff,
now I use just the brakes.
The rationale, the guy said, is that
brakes are LOTS cheaper than
transmissions. Can you spell
G-E-T-R-A-G?
:-)
Best,
Forrest
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Thu Oct 14 14:50:26 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
OAA07944
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:50:26 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch
[194.158.230.44])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
OAA07930
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 14 Oct 1999
14:50:20 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from RGERL012599 (216.131.135.225) by
newmail.spectraweb.ch; 14 Oct 1999 23:46:41 +0200
Message-ID:
<002d01bf168e$3658ce60$7e8783d8@RGERL012599_000.peoplesoft.com>
Reply-To:
"R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "Stealth List"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Mileage
question
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:22:19 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3110.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Chris, cruising at 4500 ??? Wow, this is why my 15psi running car
now puts
out 28 mpg as on the highway I'm cruising at 2800-3000. On the
german
autobahn mileage is getting very bad with speeds around 150 and more.
During
my ecessive testings the last weeks mileage went down to about 18mpg
:-(
>1. Yes, you should expect your gas mileage to drop with a tighter
gap, but
>15 mpg is a huge drop with all other variables remaining the
same.
I fully agree ! Mileage drops a little with the small gap but not a
lot.
Even more, the Splitfires or Rapidfires are not good on our cars. I got
the
Rapidfires for the Camaro and they work very well. I then got them for
the
3000 too and got hesitation a fuel smeeling, i.e. not well burnt
fuel.
Later
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Thu Oct 14 14:50:28 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
OAA07948
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:50:28 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch
[194.158.230.44])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
OAA07934
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 14 Oct 1999
14:50:23 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from RGERL012599 (216.131.135.225) by
newmail.spectraweb.ch; 14 Oct 1999 23:46:45 +0200
Message-ID:
<002e01bf168e$3838b1f0$7e8783d8@RGERL012599_000.peoplesoft.com>
Reply-To:
"R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "Team 3S Tech List"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Greddy Type S BOV
or just simple BOV question
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:28:50
+0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3110.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
>When i bought my Greddy Type S bov from the dynamic turbo
people, i asked
>about that, they told me that that second port is to use
the valve as a
"pop
>off valve". i have no idea what this
means.... please enlighten me =)
A pop-off valve is a valve that
opens at a specific boost to prevent
overboosting. But I opened the Greddy
BOV and checked the internals. But I
just cannot understand what this port
does if it would be connected to the
boost source. Anyways, it works good
with the port open :)
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 14 17:20:16 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id RAA10130
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:20:16 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
riven.plaza.ds.adp.com ([139.126.16.128])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id RAA10123
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:20:13 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from exchange04.plaza.ds.adp.com ([139.126.124.14]) by
riven.plaza.ds.adp.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA24919; Thu, 14 Oct 1999
17:21:16 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by exchange04.plaza.ds.adp.com with Internet
Mail Service (5.5.2232.9)
id <45YG09SB>; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:20:37
-0700
Message-ID:
<2B6D2E7F9E0AD311AB0500805FB7ECD00F4174@EXCHANGE01>
From: Chris Winkley
<cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
To: "'R.G.'"
<robby@freesurf.ch>
Cc: Stealth List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Mileage
question
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:19:24 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Roger...
Are you still using the stock injectors? My driving
style remained the same,
but my mileage dropped by roughly 25% (from 15-16
down to 11-12) when I
changed my injectors and fuel pump.
BTW...I
imagine I'd get better mileage if I was cruising at any steady speed
(even
the wonderful speeds you have on the autobahn) but most of my driving
is city
driving. Start and stop, 0 to 60, 60 to 0, 0 to 100, OR even worse,
0 to 30,
30 to 10, 10 to 20 (commuter traffic). Probably the worst fuel
economy type
of driving
Looking forward...Chris
-----Original
Message-----
From: R.G. [mailto:robby@freesurf.ch]
Sent: Thursday, October
14, 1999 2:22 PM
To: Stealth List
Subject: Re: Team3S: Mileage
question
Chris, cruising at 4500 ??? Wow, this is why my 15psi running
car now puts
out 28 mpg as on the highway I'm cruising at 2800-3000. On the
german
autobahn mileage is getting very bad with speeds around 150 and more.
During
my ecessive testings the last weeks mileage went down to about 18mpg
:-(
<snip>
Later
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 14 17:39:35 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id RAA10262
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:39:35 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
web601.yahoomail.com (web2006.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.206])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id RAA10255
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:39:32 -0700
(PDT)
Message-ID:
<19991015003939.23235.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com>
Received: from
[24.4.168.158] by web2006.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:39:39 PDT
Date:
Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:39:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Kuo
<amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Mileage question
To:
Stealth List <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hi Chris and
All...
Speaking of losing miles per gallon due to larger
injectors and
pump... I actually retained or even
getting better milege with the RC 550s
and HKS/Cusmo
pump..
I think its due to the ARC-2GP's awesome ability
to
control larger injestors. With the ARM1 (A/F
monitor), I'm (with
help from Brian of GTPro) able to
tune the ARC-2GP unit to run the car rich @
high
boosts (i know, i know Roger, wasting fuel/energy~
hehe..) and good
mixture when the car idles and at
city/hwy driving.. I havent touched the
setting for
months now.. and it runs great when im just crusing..
and
awesome when I need to out-run that V8!! =)
Stock fuel system: 17-20
MPG
ARC, 550s, pump: 19-21 MPG
(a day at the track: 6-8
MPG!!)
George
check out my
homepage:
www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/8576/Intro.html
--- Chris
Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com> wrote:
> Roger...
>
> Are you still using the stock injectors? My driving
> style
remained the same,
> but my mileage dropped by roughly 25% (from
15-16
> down to 11-12) when I
> changed my injectors and fuel pump.
>
> BTW...I imagine I'd get better mileage if I was
>
cruising at any steady speed
> (even the wonderful speeds you have on the
autobahn)
> but most of my driving
> is city driving. Start and
stop, 0 to 60, 60 to 0, 0
> to 100, OR even worse,
> 0 to 30, 30 to
10, 10 to 20 (commuter traffic).
> Probably the worst fuel
> economy
type of driving
>
> Looking forward...Chris
>
>
-----Original Message-----
> From: R.G. [mailto:robby@freesurf.ch]
>
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 2:22 PM
> To: Stealth List
>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Mileage question
>
> Chris, cruising at 4500
??? Wow, this is why my
> 15psi running car now puts
> out 28 mpg as
on the highway I'm cruising at
> 2800-3000. On the german
> autobahn
mileage is getting very bad with speeds
> around 150 and more.
During
> my ecessive testings the last weeks mileage went
> down to
about 18mpg :-(
> <snip>
>
> Later
>
Roger
> 93'3000GT TT
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
=====
__________________________________________________
Do
You Yahoo!?
Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 14 19:51:58 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id TAA12131
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:51:58 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
burgoyne.com (burgoyne.com [209.197.0.8])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id TAA12124
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:51:55 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from p9u2n5 (ip138.redrock.net [209.197.11.138])
by
burgoyne.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA06995
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 20:51:49
-0600
Message-ID: <000501bf16b7$a9dfb5a0$8a0bc5d1@p9u2n5>
From:
"CEskelsen" <cesk@redrock.net>
To: "3000 list"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: The Goose is
Gone!
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 20:47:45 -0600
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2014.211
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Hi All,
My baby just survived her 60k
service. Thanks to all for warnings and
advice! I had the
tensioner and water pump replaced. As I rolled onto the
freeway, I
noticed the absence of the Honking Goose! Not sure what made
the
difference, but my Goose used to appear in first and second gear under
any
acceleration, but no more...
Thanks again everyone,
Cory
Eskelsen
96 R/T TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 14 22:53:51 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id WAA14181
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:53:51 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
imo-d10.mx (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id WAA14174
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:53:47 -0700
(PDT)
From: Petrosvr4@aol.com
Received: from Petrosvr4@aol.com
by
imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id uVWOeI_MW_ (4558)
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 01:53:25 -0400
(EDT)
Message-ID: <0.b09b9401.25381b55@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Oct
1999 01:53:25 EDT
Subject: Team3S: warranty problems
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: AOL
4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hi everyone
I
would like to get some opinions about the problems that I have to deal
with.
My rack pinion die on me and the warranty company doesn't want to
pay for new
(Mits. offers only new) and they want to put a reman.
Aftermarket.
do I have any other choices? Maybe a used mits. from
M&S?
Also I need new front brake calipers (I have a base 3000gt). Can I
just
switch to 94 and after calipers with any modifications? what are the
differences?
I took also the car to the dealer this morning to
change the A/C clutch and
he told me that i need new A/C pulley,tensioner
and A/C belt. he told me the
warranty covers only the clutch and not the
rest. i thought the clutch was
coming with the pulley, and i had in my 60K
tune up (done in 65700m. in
different dealership, now i the car has
810000) and i change the A/C
belt.how can go bad after 15000miles
plus my
timing belt start to making noises.
Also, I am on the market for new tires.
Does anyone remember the website that
had some comparisons?
Finally, do i
have to worry about anything else (change it under warranty)
before my
warranty is over?
thanks in advance
petros
3si#126
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 15 05:43:03 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id FAA16833
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 05:43:03 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.196])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id FAA16826
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 05:43:00 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (from nxiong@juno.com)
by m8.boston.juno.com (queuemail)
id ENYLNSKV; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:42:28 EDT
To: bbedell@austin.rr.com
Cc:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com, Brian@GTPRO.COM
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999
08:45:22 -0700
Subject: Re: Team3S: Pictures of Carbon fiber hood and body
panel fitments.
Message-ID:
<19991014.084523.-362155.0.nxiong@juno.com>
X-Mailer: Juno
3.0.13
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Juno-Line-Breaks:
1
X-Juno-Att: 0
X-Juno-RefParts: 0
From: Nick Xiong
<nxiong@juno.com>
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
wow, the hood
looks good... and I can't believe you really are doing the
full 99
conversion.. how did you get the 99 top/B pillar
in?
___________________________________________________________________
Get
the Internet just the way you want it.
Free software, free e-mail, and free
Internet access for a month!
Try Juno Web:
http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 15 06:56:45 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
GAA17675
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 06:56:45 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from exchange1.bigcharts.com (exchange1.BigCharts.com
[206.146.143.5])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
GAA17662
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999
06:56:41 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
id <4RB1JNTK>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:00:51
-0500
Message-ID:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7602@EXCHANGE1>
From: Matt Jannusch
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE:
Team3S: warranty problems
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:00:47
-0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="windows-1252"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> My rack
pinion die on me and the warranty company doesn't
> want to pay for new
(Mits. offers only new) and they want
> to put a reman. Aftermarket.
do I have any other choices?
> Maybe a used mits. from
M&S?
Check over your warranty contract. There's probably fine
print in there that says they can substitute aftermarket parts if they
wish. If not, then I would force them to do it the same way the dealership
would do it - with factory originals.
> Also I need new front brake
calipers (I have a base 3000gt).
> Can I just switch to 94 and after
calipers with any
> modifications? what are the differences?
I'm
pretty sure you need the 17x8.5 wheels to put VR4 calipers on there or they
won't clear the wheels.
> I took also the car to the dealer this
morning to change the
> A/C clutch and he told me that i need new A/C
pulley,tensioner
> and A/C belt. he told me the warranty covers only
the clutch
> and not the rest. i thought the clutch was coming with
the
> pulley, and i had in my 60K tune up (done in 65700m. in
>
different dealership, now i the car has 810000) and i change
> the
A/C belt.how can go bad after 15000miles
> plus my timing belt start to
making noises.
I'd take it back to the original dealer that did the
timing belt and AC belt and make them fix their mistake. It sounds like
they put too much tension on the AC belt. They should also re-do the
timing belt if it is making noises or tension doesn't seem correct. If
they refuse, a nice little lawsuit should change their mind - sue for the money
to have it redone, don't let them redo it.
> Also, I am on the market
for new tires. Does anyone remember
> the website that had some
comparisons? Finally, do i have to
> worry about anything else
(change it under warranty)
> before my warranty is over?
If you
manage to get all that stuff "covered" somehow, then I'd pay for them
to put in a new water pump at the same time as they are doing the timing
belt. Very easy to do, since they are all the way in there
anyway.
-Matt
95 3000GT Spyder VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 15 07:25:27 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
HAA17985
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:25:27 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id HAA17978
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:25:24 -0700
(PDT)
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
Received: from TurboDrvn@aol.com
by
imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id sXMRa29648 (4395);
Fri, 15 Oct 1999
10:24:28 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <0.be1b38bd.2538931b@aol.com>
Date:
Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:24:27 EDT
Subject: Re: Team3S: Update: Still NO
BOOST!!!!!!
To: robby@swissonline.ch
CC:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer:
Windows AOL sub 44
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
hello
all,
Well, I think I have serious problems. I
took apart my Apex'i sequential
blow off valve to install the stock one; I
found LOTS of oil within my Apex'i
unit; all the oil dripped out of the bov;
I am beginning to think that my
Turbo seals are shot???????? I went
ahead and installed the stock bov and
sure enough.....STILL NO
BOOST!!!!! I do NOT think I should even spend the
time and money on
replacing my spark plugs again (That was my next plan of
attack-I don't
think it will do anything); I have a real BAD feeling about
this.....
A very disappointed,
Ahmed "AL-Crazy" -
'92 VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 15 07:39:11 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id HAA18217
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:39:11 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
exchange1.bigcharts.com (exchange1.BigCharts.com [206.146.143.5])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id HAA18210
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:39:08 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id
<4RB1J3C4>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:43:17 -0500
Message-ID:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7603@EXCHANGE1>
From: Matt Jannusch
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Update: Still NO BOOST!!!!!!
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:43:13
-0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="windows-1252"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> Well, I think I have serious
problems. I took apart my
> Apex'i sequential blow off valve to
install the stock one;
> I found LOTS of oil within my Apex'i unit; all
the oil
> dripped out of the bov; I am beginning to think that my
>
Turbo seals are shot???????? I went ahead and installed the
> stock
bov and sure enough.....STILL NO BOOST!!!!! I do NOT
> think I
should even spend the time and money on replacing my
> spark plugs again
(That was my next plan of attack-I don't
> think it will do anything); I
have a real BAD feeling about
> this.....
That doesn't sound
good... I'd try a compression test on at least the front three
cylinders. If those look OK, I'd do the rear three as well. That
should at least help narrow it down to either a turbo problem or piston/ring/etc
problem. Sounds a lot like what RG had with his blown pistons/rings.
:-(
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 15 07:44:10 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
HAA18330
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:44:10 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from riven.plaza.ds.adp.com ([139.126.16.128])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id HAA18323
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:44:07 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from exchange04.plaza.ds.adp.com ([139.126.124.14]) by
riven.plaza.ds.adp.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA03999; Fri, 15 Oct 1999
07:45:12 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by exchange04.plaza.ds.adp.com with Internet
Mail Service (5.5.2232.9)
id <45YHAATC>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:44:32
-0700
Message-ID:
<2B6D2E7F9E0AD311AB0500805FB7ECD00F417A@EXCHANGE01>
From: Chris Winkley
<cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
To: "'TurboDrvn@aol.com'"
<TurboDrvn@aol.com>
Cc: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com,
robby@swissonline.ch
Subject: RE: Team3S: Update: Still NO
BOOST!!!!!!
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:43:22 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Ahmed...
Are you blowing oil out the exhaust? That was my
symptom when I spun the
bearings on my first set of 15Gs.
Looking
forward...Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
[mailto:TurboDrvn@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 7:24 AM
To:
robby@swissonline.ch
Cc: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Update: Still NO BOOST!!!!!!
hello
all,
Well, I think I have serious problems. I
took apart my Apex'i
sequential
blow off valve to install the stock one;
I found LOTS of oil within my
Apex'i
unit; all the oil dripped out of the
bov; I am beginning to think that my
Turbo seals are shot???????? I
went ahead and installed the stock bov and
sure enough.....STILL NO
BOOST!!!!! I do NOT think I should even spend the
time and money on
replacing my spark plugs again (That was my next plan of
attack-I don't
think it will do anything); I have a real BAD feeling about
this.....
A very disappointed,
Ahmed "AL-Crazy" -
'92 VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 15 07:48:48 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
HAA18403
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:48:48 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from riven.plaza.ds.adp.com ([139.126.16.128])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id HAA18396
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:48:44 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from exchange04.plaza.ds.adp.com ([139.126.124.14]) by
riven.plaza.ds.adp.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA04152; Fri, 15 Oct 1999
07:49:45 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by exchange04.plaza.ds.adp.com with Internet
Mail Service (5.5.2232.9)
id <45YHAA4B>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:49:04
-0700
Message-ID:
<2B6D2E7F9E0AD311AB0500805FB7ECD00F417B@EXCHANGE01>
From: Chris Winkley
<cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
To: "'George Kuo'"
<amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
Cc: Stealth List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Mileage
question/ARC
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:47:55 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
George...
Can you provide a little more detail about the ARC
unit? It seems I saw a
brief description some time back, but I can't locate
it. Does it replace the
MAS like the AFC? Direct plug in? Or? Fits all
generations?
Also, some more information on your mods as a point of
comparison?
Looking forward...Chris
-----Original
Message-----
From: George Kuo [mailto:amkreadgto@yahoo.com]
Sent:
Thursday, October 14, 1999 5:40 PM
To: Stealth List
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Mileage question
Hi Chris and All...
Speaking of losing miles
per gallon due to larger
injectors and pump... I actually retained or
even
getting better milege with the RC 550s and HKS/Cusmo
pump..
I
think its due to the ARC-2GP's awesome ability to
control larger
injestors. With the ARM1 (A/F
monitor), I'm (with help from Brian of
GTPro) able to
tune the ARC-2GP unit to run the car rich @ high
boosts (i
know, i know Roger, wasting fuel/energy~
hehe..) and good mixture when the
car idles and at
city/hwy driving.. I havent touched the setting
for
months now.. and it runs great when im just crusing..
and awesome when
I need to out-run that V8!! =)
Stock fuel system: 17-20 MPG
ARC, 550s,
pump: 19-21 MPG
(a day at the track: 6-8 MPG!!)
George
check out my
homepage:
www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/8576/Intro.html
<snip>
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 15 07:49:26 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id HAA18463
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:49:26 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id HAA18456
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:49:22 -0700
(PDT)
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
Received: from TurboDrvn@aol.com
by
imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id wFKF4MKSI_ (4395);
Fri, 15 Oct 1999
10:48:45 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <0.3e2f3947.253898cd@aol.com>
Date:
Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:48:45 EDT
Subject: Re: Team3S: Update: Still NO
BOOST!!!!!!
To: cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com
CC:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer:
Windows AOL sub 44
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
In a message
dated 10/15/99 9:43:59 AM Central Daylight Time,
cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com
writes:
<< Ahmed...
Are you blowing oil out the exhaust?
That was my symptom when I spun the
bearings on my first set of
15Gs.
Looking forward...Chris >>
Hey
Chris,
Yes I am blowing oil out of the exhaust; I
referred to that on my
previous posts thinking they were worn valve
seals........but maybe not???
the oil smoke only occurs when I
decelerate and sometimes at stop signs.....I
have NO oil (smoke) coming out
of my exhaust when I accelerate and the RPM's
increase.......I'm thinking
turbo seals or piston????? NEED to do a
compression test
soon!
Chris, when you spun the bearings on your 15G's..what type of
frequency of
smoke did you have out of your exhaust???
I'll keep
everyone posted,
Ahmed.
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt
Fri Oct 15 08:13:49 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id IAA18831
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:13:49 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
spool.webzone.net (mta@mail.webzone.net [205.219.23.67])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id IAA18824
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:13:46 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from benson ([208.152.103.214]) by
spool.webzone.net
(post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-12689) with SMTP id
AAA26937
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:13:43 -0500
Message-ID:
<00ab01bf171b$3d072ee0$10c9c9c9@benson>
From: "Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell" <benson@2015.com>
To: "3000GT
Mailing" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S:
warranty problems
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:40:33 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
A really good site for tires is www.tirerack.com
:)
Latufh fuh U,
Benson
benson@2015.com
"-Do you
ever have second thoughts?
-When do I ever have first
thoughts?"
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 15 08:45:37 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id IAA19269
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:45:37 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id IAA19262
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:45:33 -0700
(PDT)
From: TrboDrvr@aol.com
Received: from TrboDrvr@aol.com
by
imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id uFQJ0xk123 (4446);
Fri, 15 Oct 1999
11:45:04 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <0.3df45017.2538a600@aol.com>
Date:
Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:45:04 EDT
Subject: Re: Team3S: warranty problems
To:
Petrosvr4@aol.com, stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer:
Windows AOL sub 41
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
With regard to
your warranty question and the steering rack, check your
warranty agreement
to see if it gives the company the option of using
aftermarket parts.
If it does, then you are stuck. If not, then you can
argue.
Joe
91TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 15 08:52:17 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id IAA19402
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:52:17 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id IAA19389
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:52:14 -0700
(PDT)
From: TrboDrvr@aol.com
Received: from TrboDrvr@aol.com
by
imo24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id wVYSa11406 (4446);
Fri, 15 Oct 1999
11:51:47 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <0.b9eb68ba.2538a792@aol.com>
Date:
Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:51:46 EDT
Subject: Re: Team3S: Update: Still NO
BOOST!!!!!!
To: TurboDrvn@aol.com, cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com
CC:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer:
Windows AOL sub 41
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Ahmed:
I think your problem is definitely
the seals and bearings since that is
the only way you will get oil in your
BOV. Worn piston rings will cause you
to burn oil. The oil will
never get to your BOV (in fact, it has no way of
getting there from the
cylinders unless your valve seats are extremely worn
in which your car would
never run because of lack of compression). Plus,
your symptoms are
lack of boost and not lack of compression. So I'd start
with the
turbos. I think you have a condition known as "blow by" where
your
turbo seals are gone and the oil is "blowing by" them.
Just my 2 cents.
Joe 91 TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 15 09:08:52 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
JAA19598
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:08:52 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from smtp2.quixnet.net (smtp2.array3.laserlink.net
[63.65.122.172])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
JAA19591
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999
09:08:49 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mooredw.nswc.navy.mil
(a038-175.crane.navy.mil [164.227.38.175])
by smtp2.quixnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3)
with ESMTP id MAA10021
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15
Oct 1999 12:08:22 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id:
<199910151608.MAA10021@smtp2.quixnet.net>
From: "Dennis
Moore" <stealth@quixnet.net>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:52:08
-0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain;
charset=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Subject: Team3S: Stealth
for Sale
X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12)
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hi
All,
As much as I love my Stealth, it's up for sale. I'm moving
"over the
water", and won't be taking it with me. (If it's
any consolation, I
hope to pick up a low-miles 3K Spyder when I get
back...)
So, if you know of anyone looking for a fun ride, send them my
way. Here are the particulars:
93 Stealth ES, 5-spd, Red w/Grey
cloth interior, 111,000 miles,
AM/FM/Cass/CD-Changer, Firestone SZ-50's with
less than 5k
miles on them. The car is in Indiana, and has been garage
kept all
of its life (including hibernating for most of the winter
there). Very
few city miles, <~20K. Paint is in
"B+/A-" condition with a couple
rock chips, no rips or tears in
the interior. Everything works, no
broken knobs or
buttons.
Based on Kelly and Edmunds, I'm thinking US$7,250 is a good
starting point for asking price. Comments?
You guys have saved
me thousands in maintenance and repairs
over the years. Thanks!
Glad I found this group (and starnet, back
in the good old
days...)!
Dennis Moore
93 Stealth ES
stealth@quixnet.net
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 15 09:11:22 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA19675
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:11:22 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.casham.com ([205.183.158.13])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo)
with ESMTP id JAA19668
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15
Oct 1999 09:11:19 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by MAIL with Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2232.9)
id <4H6Q3Y6X>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:14:13
-0500
Message-ID:
<30C462FFDD5CD311A34400805FF924CF2F8BDD@MAIL>
From: "Landis,
Michael" <MLandis@casham.com>
To: TrboDrvr@aol.com
Cc:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: warranty
problems
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:14:07 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9)
Content-Type:
text/plain
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Joe is right - check the fine print of your warranty. Since
many extended
warranties are just glorified insurance policies, the common
verbage may be
"like kind and quality" - or LKQ in insurance
jargon. Unfortunately, what
we (the customer) call "like kind and
quality" and what they call LKQ are
NOT the same. "Like kind
and quality" on your standard comprehensive auto
insurance means
rebuilt, or aftermarket, or even "used with comparable
milage and
wear" - not "new from the factory". So if you wreck your
car and
crack the block, don't expect them to replace the motor with a new
crate
motor - it won't happen. Usually they'll only pay for a used
engine with
similar (or maybe less) milage on it. The same would be
true if you trashed
the rack and pinion in a wreck. I'm not familiar
enough with extended
warranties to know what their usual terms are, but it's
worth a close look.
Michael
"The bold print giveth, and the fine
print taketh away."
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
TrboDrvr@aol.com [SMTP:TrboDrvr@aol.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999
10:45 AM
> To: Petrosvr4@aol.com; stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
Subject: Re: Team3S: warranty problems
>
> With regard to your
warranty question and the steering rack, check your
> warranty agreement
to see if it gives the company the option of using
> aftermarket
parts. If it does, then you are stuck. If not, then you can
>
argue.
>
> Joe 91TT
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 15 09:11:40 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA19734
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:11:40 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id JAA19727
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:11:37 -0700
(PDT)
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
Received: from TurboDrvn@aol.com
by
imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id uNLC03X1K6 (4400);
Fri, 15 Oct 1999
12:11:11 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <0.efe11474.2538ac1e@aol.com>
Date:
Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:11:10 EDT
Subject: Re: Team3S: Update: Still NO
BOOST!!!!!!
To: TrboDrvr@aol.com
CC:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer:
Windows AOL sub 44
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
In a message
dated 10/15/99 10:53:28 AM Central Daylight Time,
TrboDrvr@aol.com
writes:
<< Ahmed:
I think your
problem is definitely the seals and bearings since that is
the only way you
will get oil in your BOV. Worn piston rings will cause you
to burn
oil. The oil will never get to your BOV (in fact, it has no way of
getting there from the cylinders unless your valve seats are extremely worn
in which your car would never run because of lack of compression).
Plus,
your symptoms are lack of boost and not lack of compression. So
I'd start
with the turbos. I think you have a condition known as
"blow by" where your
turbo seals are gone and the oil is
"blowing by" them. Just my 2 cents.
Joe 91 TT
>>
I think you nailed it on the head, Joe! But I still want
to proceed with the
compression test .......and take it from
there.......chances are......you are
totally right.....since I would NOT get
oil in my BOV if it were an internal
motor problem (ex: piston rings, valve
seals, etc.); everything is pointed
toward my turbos.....
I will keep
everyone updated......thanks again to all who have advised
me......
Ahmed "AL-Crazy"
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 15 09:32:58 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
JAA19942
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:32:58 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from exchange1.bigcharts.com (exchange1.BigCharts.com
[206.146.143.5])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
JAA19935
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999
09:32:54 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
id <4RB1J37T>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:37:04
-0500
Message-ID:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7604@EXCHANGE1>
From: Matt Jannusch
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Update: Still NO BOOST!!!!!!
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:36:53
-0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="windows-1252"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> I think your problem is definitely the
seals and bearings
> since that is the only way you will get oil in your
BOV.
> Worn piston rings will cause you to burn oil. The oil
will
> never get to your BOV (in fact, it has no way of getting
>
there from the cylinders unless your valve seats are
> extremely worn in
which your car would never run because of
> lack of compression).
Plus, your symptoms are lack of boost
> and not lack of compression.
So I'd start with the turbos.
> I think you have a condition known as
"blow by" where your
> turbo seals are gone and the oil is
"blowing by" them. Just
> my 2 cents.
If it was
just turbo seals, the car should still make boost. The oil might not be
coming into the intake from the turbos, it can also get in there from EGR and
PCV if the rings aren't sealing the cylinders and are causing blowby.
Compression test is way easier than pulling off turbos, and Ahmed indicated that
the wheels spun freely without play. That would indicate the bearings at
least should be fine, and the seals shouldn't leak enough to make the car
produce no boost. Still not sure why there's no boost, but compression is
very easy to check and turbos seem to be ruled out at the moment from previous
troubleshooting.
I could see one turbo seal going bad, but both at the
same time? Should still see boost even if only one turbo is
functional.
Not saying you are wrong, just thinking that I would
personally try the easier diagnostic tools before removing turbos to get a
better idea of the health of the motor itself before looking at parts that
typically don't fail bad enough to give these sorts of symptoms.
Look at
Roger's page and see if this sounds
familiar:
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/9589/engine_problems.html
-Matt
'95
3000GT Spyder VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 15 10:02:39 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id KAA20471
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:02:39 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
apollo.gat.com (apollo.gat.com [192.5.166.20])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id KAA20464
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:02:36 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from gat.com (middaugh@d3dtsa.gat.com
[192.150.242.240])
by apollo.gat.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id
KAA13921
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999
10:02:36 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <38075E2B.FFB92830@gat.com>
Date:
Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:02:35 -0700
From: Ken Middaugh
<Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Organization: General Atomics - Fusion
Group
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20
9000/730)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Team3S
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: 120K service,
problems
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hi
folks,
I'm glad Cory E.'s 60K service went well. I fear mine did
not :(.
I had my 120K service performed on my '91 VR4 Wednesday at 105K
since my
waterpump, no doubt original, began leaking recently. As an
aside, all the
parts appeared to be in very good condition. The old
timing belt looked almost
unused even though it had been on there for 50K
miles and presumably anti-freeze
had leaked on it. Some of the idler
pully bearings were at the noisy stage
though but with no play/sloppiness,
they probably were 105K old too.
Anyway I suspect that the cams were not
aligned properly since I have acquired
the following symptoms since the
service:
1) car seems to surge mildly under moderate throttle and
cruising
2) reduced torque below 2800RPM
3) seems to need more throttle
& boost to maintain cruising speed
4) boost spools up faster and hits
harder at 2800RPM
5) when I lift off the throttle, the rumbling from the
muffler seems louder with
occasional mild backpopping
6) at idle the RPM
seems to move around more (not just when the AC cycles)
These symptoms
were non-existent prior to the service. I fixed a leak in the
throttle
body last night but notice no change ( I removed the gasket and turned
it
around to the correct orientation, the leak & hissing disappeared). I
think
all other hoses are fine and installed correctly since I don't hear any
hissing
or see any unconnected.
WOT accels seem fine, but there is
less torque below 2800RPM, the boost seems to
hit harder at 2800, I can reach
my set boost OK, but not always smooth,
sometimes overshoot a lot (i.e. that
surging again), even though I attain set
boost, the car doesn't seem as
quick.
Anyway, I'm soliciting your opinions. I have my boost
controller off now so
boost is at 6psi. I don't think that the new
belt, waterpump, pulleys &
bearings should have added so much drag on the
engine to produce the above
symptoms. I will notify my service manager
today after I hear your
input/suggestions.
Thanks in
advance,
Ken
--
Drive faster, it is later than you
think!
Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 15 10:09:43 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id KAA20619
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:09:43 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
dwests1.datawest.net (datawest.net [206.27.129.2])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id KAA20598
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:09:38 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from cs-pm3-02-147.datawest.net (cs-pm3-02-147.datawest.net
[206.27.129.147]) by dwests1.datawest.net (NTMail 3.03.0018/4c.agsu) with ESMTP
id fa192873 for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999
11:09:25 -0600
Message-ID:
<001601bf12a9$5161cc40$93811bce@rico>
From: "Ricardo Cousar"
<rcousar@datawest.net>
To: "Sirius 3000GT Mail List"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Skyline
question
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:54:46 -0600
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3110.3
X-Info: thru mx1.datawest.net
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I was just
wondering if anyone knows who made the tranny for HK$ skyline, I
am pretty
sure it's not stock so someone had to make it for them.
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 15 10:49:28 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id KAA21168
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:49:28 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
exchange1.bigcharts.com (exchange1.BigCharts.com [206.146.143.5])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id KAA21161
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:49:25 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id
<4RB1JP2Z>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:53:35 -0500
Message-ID:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7606@EXCHANGE1>
From: Matt Jannusch
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To: Team3S
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: 120K service,
problems
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:53:30 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="windows-1252"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> 1) car
seems to surge mildly under moderate throttle and cruising
> 2) reduced
torque below 2800RPM
> 3) seems to need more throttle & boost to
maintain cruising speed
> 4) boost spools up faster and hits harder at
2800RPM
> 5) when I lift off the throttle, the rumbling from the
>
muffler seems louder with
> occasional mild backpopping
> 6) at idle
the RPM seems to move around more (not just when
> the AC
cycles)
Sounds like the exhaust cam is off a tooth, and maybe the intake
cam as well. My previous car ('93 Eclipse GSX) did the same thing when I
bought it, and I changed the timing belt immediately and found they had
misaligned the cams by one tooth on the exhaust side. Identical
symptoms. Very easy to have the misalignment occur if you don't use clips
to hold the T-belt in place as you are aligning the cams as they will tend to
rotate one tooth under their own pressure if not held in place by the
T-belt.
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 15 11:33:31 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
LAA21808
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:33:31 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from bricks.carlson.com (mail.carlson.com
[208.240.12.67])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
LAA21801
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999
11:33:27 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail.carlson.com (root@localhost)
by
bricks.carlson.com with ESMTP id NAA04344
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:33:26 -0500
(CDT)
Received: from otcmsg07.carlson.com (otcmsg07.carlson.com
[172.24.129.74])
by mail.carlson.com with SMTP id NAA04299
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:33:20 -0500
(CDT)
Received: by otcmsg07.carlson.com with Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
id <483M7FLA>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:31:52
-0500
Message-ID:
<CB1B2EAE12C5D2119E0000805F9F82210396D73E@otcmsg09.carlson.com>
From:
"Basol, John" <jbasol@Carlson.com>
To:
"'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Turbo
Question
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:31:44 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hi
everybody,
It's been a while since I have played with mods on the Stealth and
I
thought a quick report was due on how she is holding up, as well as what
I
want to do next.
My first post this list indicated that I decided to try
a mod that
hadn't been openly tried by many on the list, water
injection. A great
number of discussions ensued after my initial
reports of how well the car
seemed to like 'getting' a little drink'.
:-) So I thought should perhaps
give a little bit of a long-term
report.
The Spearco 980 water injection system was installed on my car
the
first week of June. Installation was simple right up to the point
where I
had to find a spot for the water tank (finally located in the front
air
dam). It has now been a little more than 5 months since it was
installed.
So far, so good. The car still loves receiving a shower of
water, just as
much today as when it was installed. Since the
installation I had one of
the nozzles clog, due to an improperly rinsed out
tank (still had a metal
particle in it), and I had the pump itself give
out. I replaced the pump
with a large fuel pump, and started using a
LOT more water. The car still
loved this though. It has been
about 4 months since the pump replacement,
and that pump seems to be holding
up much better.
Along with the WI system I designed a simple bandpass filter
and
indicator to connect to the knock sensor signal wire coming inside the
cabin
to the ECU. At first repot this seemed to work great, but the
long term was
not such a good story. About 2 months ago I started to
notice this very
slight 'misfire'. It was not even noticable by others
when I took them for
rides to demonstrate it, but to me it was a huge
deal. Thinking that it had
to be ignition related, I started
researching new ignition components, but
after Roger's report about the
B&M not helping any, I decided to let the
local dealer look at my
problem. What did they find? The knock sensor was
bad.
How? The dealer has no idea what could have caused this. Me? I
think
it was probably my little circuit attached to the line. I
promptly removed
said circuit while the part was being shipped in, and took
it in to have the
new knock sensor installed without my circuit
installed. When I got the car
back, all was good again. So now I
have an LED monitoring the boost control
solenoid..., not as effective, but
until Todd Day decides to make a
datalogger for those of us unfortunate
enough to own 94+ cars, this will
have to do.
Now for what's next. I
have no intention of making this machine an
all out drag car, I have
different avenue to travel with that, but maximum
street
performance....That's what I'm after. I feel pretty comfortable
saying
the car is currently pulling about 410hp, but I want some more. :-)
To
take the car further than it's current state is going to require the
removal
of my all-too-tiny-9B turbos and install something with some
more
punch. My problem...streetability. 13G's seem nice, but I
want a little
more. The 15G's I have heard have noticably more lag to
them. The price
difference between the two is not really enough to
justify using 13G's
either. So what about a middle ground?
As I'm
driving to work this morning in my commuter car (a 1st Gen
DSM w/ a manual
boost controller), I commented to wife: "Damn I love how
this things
pulls so strong to the redline." It hit me like
a
rock...14B's!?! The first Gen DSMs use a single 14B turbo that on
that 2.0
liter four is capable of holding 17-18psi easy to the line.
Cost? Damn...I
have seen those things going on the DSM trader for
100-200 a piece. Will
those things bolt to our manifold? Seems to
me they might be a good
intermediate step. A set of 14Bs, 550cc
injectors, Supra fuel pump, and an
AFC...could make for a nice little machine
to play Viper tag with. :-)
John Basol
System Management
Services
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 15 11:45:42 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id LAA22007
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:45:42 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
web601.yahoomail.com (web2005.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.205])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id LAA22000
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:45:40 -0700
(PDT)
Message-ID:
<19991015184552.2427.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com>
Received: from
[24.4.168.158] by web2005.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:45:52 PDT
Date:
Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:45:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Kuo
<amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Mileage question/ARC
To:
Stealth List <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hi
Chris,
The following is copied from an email from Brian
@
GTPro:
<<snip>>
-----------------------------------------------------
This
unit as I told you is FAR SUPERIOR to the VPC.
In my opinion, the VPC SUCKS!,
what the VPC does is
convert the MAF system to a speed density system,
and
it does this through signal manipulation, but
some stuff gets lost in
the conversion. The net result
is good WOT, but a BIG sacrifice in daily
drivability,
and throttle response. The VPC tends to be a
little
"lazy" esspecially in the throttle response
area. The ARC-2GP
solves ALL of these problems. You
will have PERFECT drivability, throttle
response,
and WOT. The reason is that since we are only
converting to a
"hot wire" style MAF system vs a
Karman Vortex style system (stock
Mitsu), we are
still using a MAF signal that the factory ECU can
handle.
Through carefull signal conditioning, and
manipulation the ARC-2GP will yeild
the correct
signals to the ECU. The factory ECU is mapped for a
MAF
signal, and once you try to send it speed density
modified signals, it is not
right. I can tell you
this, I have SOO mush confidence that you are going
to
LOVE the ARC-2GP system, I will give you your money
back if you don't
like what it does to your car, and
you want to install a VPC instead. I
gaurantee you
that
if youhad a VPC to try, and we hooked up the
VPC
first, and tuned it, then ripped it out and then
installed the
ARC-2GP, you will see a DRAMATIC
difference in the way the car responds, and
you'll end
up keeping the ARC-2GP on the
car.
------------------------------------------------------
<<snip>>
You
can find more info on this unit on
www.splitsec.com. I believe this
unit can fit ALL
years of 3S, TT or NA. I think Roger knows alot
about
this unit and can answer most of your questions since
I'm pretty
much mechanically-challenged and Brian
doesnt belong to this List
anymore. All I can tell
you is that I drive my '92 RT TT every single
day and
the drivability is like stock!!
My current mods: ARC-2GP MAF
kit with a HUGE 12in long
K&N, RC550s, HKS pump, 13Gs, Greddy plugs @
0.034,
Vitek wires, forged rods and pistons, treated crank,
DSBC - 1.3 bar
of boost and stock Y pipe still
holds!!
George
www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/8576/Intro.html
--- Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com> wrote:
>
George...
>
> Can you provide a little more detail about the
ARC
> unit? It seems I saw a
> brief description some time back, but
I can't locate
> it. Does it replace the
> MAS like the AFC? Direct
plug in? Or? Fits all
> generations?
>
> Also, some more
information on your mods as a point
> of comparison?
>
>
Looking forward...Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
From: George Kuo [mailto:amkreadgto@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October
14, 1999 5:40 PM
> To: Stealth List
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Mileage
question
>
>
> Hi Chris and All...
>
> Speaking
of losing miles per gallon due to larger
> injectors and pump... I
actually retained or even
> getting better milege with the RC 550s and
HKS/Cusmo
> pump..
>
> I think its due to the ARC-2GP's
awesome ability to
> control larger injestors. With the ARM1
(A/F
> monitor), I'm (with help from Brian of GTPro) able
>
to
> tune the ARC-2GP unit to run the car rich @ high
> boosts (i
know, i know Roger, wasting fuel/energy~
> hehe..) and good mixture when
the car idles and at
> city/hwy driving.. I havent touched the setting
for
> months now.. and it runs great when im just
>
crusing..
> and awesome when I need to out-run that V8!! =)
>
> Stock fuel system: 17-20 MPG
> ARC, 550s, pump: 19-21 MPG
>
(a day at the track: 6-8 MPG!!)
>
> George
> check out my
homepage:
> www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/8576/Intro.html
>
<snip>
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
>
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
=====
__________________________________________________
Do
You Yahoo!?
Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 15 11:49:01 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id LAA22117
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:49:01 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
exchange1.bigcharts.com (exchange1.BigCharts.com [206.146.143.5])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id LAA22110
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:48:56 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id
<4RB1JPVY>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:53:07 -0500
Message-ID:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7608@EXCHANGE1>
From: Matt Jannusch
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To: "'Basol, John'"
<jbasol@Carlson.com>,
"'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Turbo
Question
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:53:00 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> It hit me
like a rock...14B's!?! The first Gen DSMs use a single
> 14B turbo
that on that 2.0 liter four is capable of holding
> 17-18psi easy to the
line. Cost? Damn...I have seen those
> things going on the DSM
trader for 100-200 a piece. Will
> those things bolt to our
manifold? Seems to me they might be a
> good intermediate
step. A set of 14Bs, 550cc injectors, Supra
> fuel pump, and an
AFC...could make for a nice little machine to
> play Viper tag with.
:-)
If you could find a 14B that is set up reversed for the rear bank,
then you might have a shot at it. Haven't ever seen one that's opposite of
the DSM style though. I think it'd be fairly easy to get the front one on,
probably using some form of adaptor plate (or pre-cat eliminator) to the
downpipe, but the rear is a whole 'nother challenge. If you could find
something that'll work, the 14B should provide enough flow to keep the boost up,
but remember that it'll also be getting .5 liters less input flow than on a DSM,
so it'll likely spool up later.
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 15 13:49:48 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id NAA23489
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:49:48 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail1.sirius.com (mail1.sirius.com [205.134.253.131])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id NAA23482
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:49:45 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from forrest (ppp-sfx202--072.sirius.net
[205.134.229.72])
by mail1.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id
NAA90481
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999
13:49:44 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
<00ac01bf174e$c5883830$48e586cd@forrest.sirius.com>
From: "Bob
Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
To: "Team3S"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Hats & Tees
shipping today (Off-topic)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:48:47
-0700
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3612.1700
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
The shirts finally arrived from the printer, so all of you
who
placed orders should have your hats and shirts in a few days.
For
those of you who still haven't placed orders, check out the
Team3S
Hats & Tees page
at:
www.bobforrest.com/Team3S-Hats&Tees.htm
Note: They
made the shirts even BETTER than I designed them, with
the silver grey over
red now being a sparkly metallic silver over a
shiny red... VERY
cool!
Best to all,
Forrest
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 15 14:33:02 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id OAA23818
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:33:02 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id OAA23811
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:32:58 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from rg (194.230.206.179) by newmail.spectraweb.ch; 15 Oct
1999 23:29:15 +0200
Message-ID:
<009601bf1754$9e29e260$5fe3e6c2@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "Stealth List"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<19991015184552.2427.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: ARC2-GP information (looong)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 23:31:00
+0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
8bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> I think Roger knows alot about this unit and can answer most of
your
questions since
Ahem ... ok ... let's lift the curtain
:
You guys know that I once compared the ARC2-GP and the VPC to each
other as
I was not sure if the VPC/GCC was the proper solution for my car. I
then had
many conversations with SplitSecond and people who runned the HKS
stuff and
never came to a real conclusion.
Introduction :
As many
of us are using the car as a daily driver, it was very important to
me to
find a good ALL-SEASON solution. The idea getting a second 3S car
and
converting one into a racing monster failed money-wise and therefore
the
3000 TT should be become a real fast,
Porsche/BMW/Ferrari/and
whatever-killer. Over the time of my investigation
the more the answers I
got from SplitSec made more sense. This lead me to the
conclusion to sell
the VPC and to get an ARC2-GP (GP is the version for our
cars) to be able to
drive in a temp range from 5 - 100°F with many feets
of snow or burning sun.
Installation :
A few weeks ago I got the kit
form GT PRO and installed it in the car. The
hardest part was to get the
wiring harnes into the pass compartment. This,
because I have sooo many wires
through the holes (WI, Power for the AMP,
etc.). The instructions given are
1st class and cover BOTH 1st and 2nd gen
cars !! Even the pin layout of both
generations is given and the kit comes
with all connectors needed. Well, it's
always good to have some spare
connectors around as I once connected to the
wrong white wire at the ECU (O2
sensor). The kit consists of the MAF that
replaces the MAS, the ARC fuel
controller, the ARM-1 A/F meter and a K&N
filter. I still had the Blitz SUS
filter with the VPC adapter and I machined
the adapter to make it fit the
MAF. Looks and works damn good but the SUS
scratched my underhood isolation
:-( This is why I got a test filter from
Apexi (for free !!) that has very
good filtering and power results.
Unfortunately, the outlet of the filter is
SMALLER in diameter than the MAF
so I will have to see what can be done. The
outside diameter of the Apexi
power filter is about 1/2" smaller and
therefore would perfectly fit.
We'll see. The A/F meter is simply spliced
into one of the O2 sensor wires
and works pretty good. I was very sceptical
and of course I opened it and
studied the electronics. Basically it is the
same as any other 10 LED A/F
meter and it uses the same components as cheap
A/F meters. But it contains
additional input filters that allows quick
response with good noise reduction
but also steady reading under WOT. A good
solution ... but I have to dim it
down as the blue LEDs are mirroring in the
windshield at night and if the
rich LED lights up it looks like a cop
switched on his lights behind me ;-)
... something shocking, haha.
Also I was disapointed at first as the MAF
did not came with a barometric
nor temperature sensor in its housing. I
immediatly saw the thing not
working in different ambient. Again conversation
was necessary and
SplitSecond answered ALL questions. They were able to tell
me how the MAF
works and the ARC is able to see temp and barometric
differences for
compensating.
The wires to be spliced in or hooked up
are simple as the ARC simulates the
MAS signal (1), gives a constant voltage
for the temperature (2) and
barometric sensor (3) as well as TPS (4). The
later is only used for the
idle setting and it's input range is from
0-0.5Volt. Day for day I tried to
setup the idle and it didn't worked ...
well my TPS was at 0.66V at idle. I
turned the TPS sensor a few degrees and
am getting 0.48V now, perfect for
the ARC and without any side
effects.
Tuning it in :
After installation, it was not easy to find a
good idle setting and it
runned a long time very rich ("smoke on the
water" would be the right song)
or it just died. The ARC has four knobs
where you control the behaviour of
the ARC. Again, the instructions tell you
exactly what to do but the initial
settings lead me into the worng direction.
This because the GP version of
the ARC has a wider range for injectors and
this makes you able to run from
stock 360cc injectors up to 720cc
"dumpers". Not only my car but also others
prove that it works with
the stock setup very well and if you'd do it
yourself let me know and I send
you my settings that work ... very good !
Tuning in the response as well
upper behaviour is not that easy as our cars
are "sensible" (or is
it just the ECU ?) Decreasing one setting 2% may cause
increase another 4%
and so on. At this point, the datalogger was very
helpful as I tried to set a
close to rich condition at WOT with stoich
condition at cruising and idle. I
reached this setting and made a log. The
injectors were then only around
60-75% and a lot of knock appeared at 15psi.
Knock became lower and lower the
more I increased the fuel curve until I got
the same curve as I had with the
stock setup ! I then increased fuel even
more and .... runned into fuel cut.
No knock, good timing but fuel cut. This
proves the theory that the ECU
doesn't like heavily maxed out injectors over
a longer
period.
Findings :
As said, the steps are in 2% from -20 to +20%.
Sometimes, I just wished to
have a 1% step setting as with only one click the
misture stayed rich and
with another it became lean. But driving around and
playing with the knobs
helps and after a few days you have a good result. My
runs with the
datalogger showed that with the stock injectors I was able to
increase the
injectors pulsing rate more quickly than stock. This resulted in
more
feelable power after shifting and in the mid band from 4000-5000. I was
also
able to cure a little of my turbos lag by giving a bit more fuel.
When
cruising around I've set the mixture to stoich and guess what, my
fiorst
long run test showed 28mpg. A mix with a lot high boosting tests
and
autobahn runs finally showed a mix of about 22-24mpg, about the same I
had
before but with some more power. The knock in the datalogs show that
our
cars need the rich setting at 15 psi. Any richer causes fuel cut as
the
stock injectors are at their end since a long time. Therefore, more
power
needs bigger injectors, but we already know this. Fortunately, with the
ARC
you'll only change two settings and correct the idle for a smooth
running
and you're done. I planned to do a dyno test with the stock setup to
see
what restriction the stock MAS is. Also I then wanted to install a set
of
440cc injectors out of the DSMs but I never got the promised package.
As
time is runnign and winter is comming, I may install the 720cc in
the
comming week and hey, each dyno run is about $100 :-( The combination of
the
water injection with the enlarged fuel system with proper control will
the
bring the turbos at their end :-)
Conclusion :
Yes, the MAF
conversion works for ANY injectors on any year of our TT cars
AND the DSMs as
well. The non-turbo version is in test and will be released
soon. I hope GT
PRO is able to provide real dyno data then as the lag is not
a problem on the
NA ;-) I can highly recommend it although the VPC/GCC with
its ability to
have a custom made program may provide you the more real
track specific race
car. This was not my aim and till today, the decision to
spend money for the
test was ok. The weather heaviyl changed since my first
day I runned it and
the car still behaves the same. Only idle msut be set a
little richer and
turned back after the car heated up, otherwise the ARM is
always showing full
rich. But if the lights are dimmed or the ARM installed
on another position
this is not a big issue as you'll not notice this in the
mileage. And if you
sit in a lot traffic, just crank it down a little. Here,
I wish to have the
1% setting but ya know ... I want to have it perfect.
Anything negative
.... no, really nothing. Maybe the MAF that has no device
to the frame as it
is a little shorter than the MAS (in my special filter
setup) But this is
negligible for sure :)). It must prove its driveability
in real winter but
this only about two/three weeks ahead. Temp is now in the
8°C region here
and I have no problem so far.
My current mods ?
- Blitz DSBC
($450)
- Blitz DualTimer ($120)
- ARC2-GP MAF ($990 w/filter, less
without)
- Greddy BOV ($280)
- ERL 3D Water injection
($800)
Nothing else till today, but sooo many stuff sitting around. Car
runs at
1.08kg/cm2 peak at the moment. Knock stays below any dangerous
level.
Ok, that's it. I was very low on time the last weeks so I haven't
set up the
installation page on my homestead, but I'll do soon. If you want
to see more
details in the meantime, let me know and I can send you pics or a
log before
and after. If you are interested in pricing, go to the GT PRO
website and
you'll find the stuff under the fuel control
menu.
Cheers,
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 15 14:41:11 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
OAA23906
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:41:11 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail.swissonline.ch (mail.swissonline.ch
[62.2.32.83])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
OAA23899
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999
14:41:08 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from swissonline.ch
(pop-zh-3-dialup-98.freesurf.ch [194.230.202.98])
by mail.swissonline.ch
(8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20957
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 23:41:06 +0200 (MET
DST)
Message-ID: <38078AE7.96120DD5@swissonline.ch>
Date: Fri, 15
Oct 1999 22:13:27 +0200
From: "R.G."
<robby@swissonline.ch>
Reply-To: robby@swissonline.ch
Organization:
Behind the frontier
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-QXW0310a (Win98;
I)
X-Accept-Language: de, en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To:
"'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Turbo
Question
References:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7608@EXCHANGE1>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
There is one on
the 3SI board that is thinking about such a project or has it
done already.
The DSM turbine housing do not fit our manifolds. Therefore, what
you can do
is making a hybrid turbo by using our turbine and housing together
with the
14b compressor wheel and housing. But I haven't heard anything about
the
space in the rear as well as the motor mount on the front !! These are
both
important issues you have to think about.
>From my own
experience, the 5-speed with my 13G together have noticeable more
lag
compared to the 9b in a 6 speed Stealth (Jim's car). Therefore, I think
the
bigger lag of the 15G would be less noticable in the 2nd gens than in the
5
speed.
> remember that it'll also be getting .5 liters less input
flow than on a DSM,
> so it'll likely spool up later.
Matt, can you
explain this a little bit more ? I maybe missed something
:)
Later
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 15 14:51:36 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
OAA24025
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:51:36 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from lexmail.accrad.com ([199.127.32.5])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id OAA24018
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:51:32 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from safs1.accrad.com (SAFS1 [198.64.195.9]) by
lexmail.accrad.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version
5.5.2448.0)
id TLKBN60R; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:35:50 -0400
Received: from
JOHNK ([198.64.195.72]) by safs1.accrad.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange
Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0)
id 47TPPVTS; Fri, 15 Oct 1999
16:33:01 -0500
Message-ID:
<00e401bf1757$3b08cf90$48c340c6@accrad.com>
Reply-To: "John P.
Kaiser" <jkaiser@emed.com>
From: "John P. Kaiser"
<jkaiser@emed.com>
To: "3000 GT List"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Team 3S:
Factory Alarm.
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 16:49:43 -0500
Organization: ACCESS
RADIOLOGY
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
I have a 1999 Mit. 3000GT (Base Model) and want to know if there is
a way to
disconnect or disable the factory installed
alarm system.
I
have been told to relay isolate the green and white wire to the rotax
box
under the dash. Is this correct? or is there another
way?
John
1999 3000GT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 15 15:09:17 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
PAA00191
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:09:17 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from exchange1.bigcharts.com (exchange1.BigCharts.com
[206.146.143.5])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
PAA00184
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999
15:09:11 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
id <4RB1JRPB>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:13:43
-0500
Message-ID:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F760F@EXCHANGE1>
From: Matt Jannusch
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To: "'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Turbo
Question
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:13:39 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="windows-1252"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> >
remember that it'll also be getting .5 liters less input
> > flow than
on a DSM, so it'll likely spool up later.
> Matt, can you explain this
a little bit more ? I maybe missed
> something :)
I was commenting
that on a DSM application the 14B gets flow from 2.0 liters of displacement in
the cylinders and on a 3/S car it would get 1.5 liters of "basic"
flow. At high RPM on my DSM with a heavily ported 14B I ran 19 psi, which
started falling to about 17 psi at 7500 rpm. Assuming the same boost
level, the exhaust input into the turbo will be 25% less on a 3/S car since
there are 3 cylinders feeding 1.5L of air into the turbo (not taking into
account a higher flow once boost builds up). At lower RPM's, before boost
comes on this might be a factor - making the 14B spool up at a higher RPM than
you might expect.
Not something I know for a fact, but just an
observation...
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 15 15:21:46 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id PAA00419
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:21:46 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [209.67.34.60])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id PAA00412
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:21:43 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (from pearlvr42c@juno.com)
by m2.jersey.juno.com
(queuemail) id ENZMPJKC; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 18:19:36 EDT
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 17:16:39
-0500
Subject: Team3S: Heavily modded VR4 for sale
Message-ID:
<19991016.171642.10694.1.PEARLVR42C@juno.com>
X-Mailer: Juno
1.49
X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,5-13,15,17-29,32,37,39,42-45
From: Del A
Kolasinski <pearlvr42c@juno.com>
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I absolutely
hate to have to do this but I am pretty much done with my
sports car hobby.
So here it goes, all modifications performed by Jack
Tertadian and
I.
Glacier White Pearl 1991 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4
90,505 miles, NEWLY PUT
IN UPGRADED '93 spec. Transmission, Transfer
Case, and Output Shaft.
(Aug.'99) from Kormax
Concept Neeper Synchro Chrome 18x8.5"
Rims(Oct.'98)
Sumitomo HTRZII 265/35ZR18 Tires(Apr.'99)
Magnecor KV85
Ignition Wires(Mar.'99)
K&N Cone Air Filter with Custom 3" M.A.S.
PVC Bypass Tube(Mar.'99)
K&N Breather Filter (to keep the intercoolers
clean)
Alamo Motorsports Y-Pipe(May'99)
1G DSM Blow Off Valve
Kit(May'99)
ATR 3" Stainless Downpipe(Aug.'99)
Custom 3" Dual
Cat-Back Exhaust System with Dual 4" Thermal
R&D
Tips(Apr.'99)
T.E.C. TDO4-15G Turbochargers(always turbo
timed-less than 2,500
miles)(Sept.'99)
HKS EVC4 Electronic Boost
Controller(Oct.'98)
HKS Turbo Timer 4(Oct.'98)
SPI Motorsport 30-0-30psi
Boost Guage in A-Pillar Mounting Pod(Oct.'99)
R.C. Engineering 550cc Fuel
Injectors(Sept.'99)
Denso MK-IV In Tank Fuel Pump Upgrade(Sept.'99)
HKS
V.P.C. Vein Pressure Converter Fuel Computer with 550 chip(Sept.'99)
HKS
G.C.C. II Piggyback Fuel Computer(Sept.'99)
Jumptronix 02 Voltage
Meter(Sept.'99)
Broward 6-Puck Ceramic Clutch Disk(Sept.'99)
RPS Heavy
Duty Pressure Plate(Sept.'99)
New Flywheel(installed with new clutch in
Sept.)
Tenzo 400 Series Hyper White Foglights
- - - - - - - - - - I have
owned the car for about a year and 3 months, I
stuck WAY too much money into
it in that short of a time, and now must
face the facts of bills
everywhere.
All stock parts will be included as will all manuals and an extra
RPS
Turbo clutch that has a bad but rebuildable pressure plate. Car
always
uses Mobil 1 Synthetic and Redline oils and fluids. And like I
said
earlier all work was done with the expert and flawless effort of
Jack
Tertadian.
My goal is to break even, just to pay off bills and loans
which all
relate to this car, so with a hesitent hand I type this.
Car
goes for $15,250 or the any reasonable offer. Pictures can be seen
at
wisc.dsm.org under my name, (only lists old modifications on that
web
page)
Del Kolasinski -southeastern Wisconsin-
Phone 782-2410
Cell 807-3676
email-
pearlvr42c@juno.com
___________________________________________________________________
Get
the Internet just the way you want it.
Free software, free e-mail, and free
Internet access for a month!
Try Juno Web:
http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 15 15:33:54 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
PAA00568
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:33:54 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from riven.plaza.ds.adp.com ([139.126.16.128])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id PAA00560
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:33:50 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from exchange04.plaza.ds.adp.com ([139.126.124.14]) by
riven.plaza.ds.adp.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA21358; Fri, 15 Oct 1999
15:34:57 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by exchange04.plaza.ds.adp.com with Internet
Mail Service (5.5.2232.9)
id <45YHA13S>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:34:15
-0700
Message-ID:
<2B6D2E7F9E0AD311AB0500805FB7ECD00F4181@EXCHANGE01>
From: Chris Winkley
<cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
To: "'TurboDrvn@aol.com'"
<TurboDrvn@aol.com>
Cc: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Update: Still NO BOOST!!!!!!
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:33:08
-0700
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2232.9)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Ahmed...
Nope, I was blowing smoke at all times. It started
lightly, but got
SIGNIFICANTLY worse within a hundred miles. By the time I
drove it to the
shop, there was a cloud following me. Very ugly, very
embarrassing. I did,
however, still have boost.
I hate to say it, but
I think the conjecture of rings or piston is likely.
Not a pleasant thought,
but check that compression.
Best wishes...Chris
-----Original
Message-----
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com [mailto:TurboDrvn@aol.com]
Sent:
Friday, October 15, 1999 7:49 AM
To: cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com
Cc:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Update: Still NO
BOOST!!!!!!
In a message dated 10/15/99 9:43:59 AM Central Daylight
Time,
cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com writes:
<< Ahmed...
Are
you blowing oil out the exhaust? That was my symptom when I spun the
bearings
on my first set of 15Gs.
Looking forward...Chris >>
Hey
Chris,
Yes I am blowing oil out of the exhaust; I
referred to that on my
previous posts thinking they were worn valve
seals........but maybe not???
the oil smoke only occurs when I
decelerate and sometimes at stop
signs.....I
have NO oil (smoke) coming
out of my exhaust when I accelerate and the RPM's
increase.......I'm
thinking turbo seals or piston????? NEED to do a
compression
test soon!
Chris, when you spun the bearings on your 15G's..what type of
frequency of
smoke did you have out of your exhaust???
I'll keep
everyone posted,
Ahmed.
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt
Fri Oct 15 15:47:32 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id PAA00940
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:47:32 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
ro.com (IDENT:0@sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id PAA00933
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:47:28 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from sjiredff (tnt1-97-85.ro.com [208.134.97.85])
by
ro.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/RO-1.01) with SMTP id RAA02182;
Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:47:22
-0500
Message-ID: <001801bf175e$892f3400$556186d0@sjiredff>
From:
"Paul T. Golley" <ptgolley@ro.com>
To:
<TurboDrvn@aol.com>, <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Cc:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Update:
Still NO BOOST!!!!!! (An Aside Re: Bearings)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999
17:42:16 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3612.1700
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> Are you blowing oil out the exhaust? That was my symptom when I
spun the
> bearings on my first set of 15Gs.
All-
I a not
knowledgable about the bearings used in turbos. Do most
use journal bearings
like the crank and rods; fed with ordinary oil
pressures of 10 to 50 psi or
so? Because their speeds are so
high (and loads), I assumed
(incorrectly, I guess), that they
were all ball bearings.
You might
know that the Space Shuttle Main Engine Turbo Pumps for
the fuel and oxidizer
(LH2 and LOX) are, or have already converted
to ceramic ball bearings versus
440C stainless.
What are the advantages of ball bearing turbochargers?
Regards,
ptg
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 15 15:57:38 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id PAA00214
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:57:38 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id PAA00201
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:57:33 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from rg (194.230.232.143) by newmail.spectraweb.ch; 16 Oct
1999 00:53:47 +0200
Message-ID:
<00db01bf1760$6d55c4e0$5fe3e6c2@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "Matt Jannusch"
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>, <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7604@EXCHANGE1>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Update: Still NO BOOST!!!!!!
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 00:50:34
+0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="Windows-1252"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> > I think your problem is definitely the seals and
bearings
> > since that is the only way you will get oil in your
BOV.
> > Worn piston rings will cause you to burn oil. The oil
will
> > never get to your BOV (in fact, it has no way of
getting
> > there from the cylinders unless your valve seats
are
> > extremely worn in which your car would never run because
of
> > lack of compression). Plus, your symptoms are lack of
boost
> > and not lack of compression. So I'd start with the
turbos.
> > I think you have a condition known as "blow by"
where your
> > turbo seals are gone and the oil is "blowing
by" them. Just
> > my 2 cents.
No, this is not right
and Matt exactly pointed out why. I highly recommend
the compression test as
this is how my problem started. But I always had
boost although not that much
as before and a big loss the higehr the rpm
was. My BOV and the Blitz
solenoids, everything was soacked with oil and
till today some oil still sits
in the intercoolers.
If there is low compression, the pressure built up
by the turbos can go
elsewhere. I your point it sounds like a problem on
every cylinder but this
is very uncommon. I had a 2 broken pistons and at
least one ring broke on
any of the six. But hey, no boost would mean at least
a hole in two pistons
and this woudl be pretty noticeable even at idle. Even
more, opening the oil
cap you should be able to smell the gas in the oil
then.
Man, I have no idea what's going on in your car, damn strange.
Start with
the comrpession test and a leak down test to find out where the
problem
coudl be if the compression is below 120psi.
Good
luck,
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 15 15:57:44 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
PAA00232
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:57:44 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch
[194.158.230.44])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
PAA00200
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999
15:57:33 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from rg (194.230.232.143) by
newmail.spectraweb.ch; 16 Oct 1999 00:53:48 +0200
Message-ID:
<00dc01bf1760$6ddc0be0$5fe3e6c2@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "Team3S"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7606@EXCHANGE1>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
120K service, problems
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 00:55:24 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="Windows-1252"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> Sounds like the exhaust cam is off a tooth, and maybe the
intake cam as
well.
Very good answer from Matt and I just like to
second his words ! I'd
immediatly check the alignement by yourself with the
manual it's pretty easy
to find out if the stuff is aligned properly. I doubt
that they are off more
than one or even two teeths as anythign else would
have caused damage :-/
Also check if the belt is sitting well and the
tensioner does it's work.
Just don't rev it up hard or above anything than
3500 until the problem is
solved.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 15 17:09:16 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id RAA01325
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:09:16 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
is-callahan.gwl.com (firewall-user@is-callahan.gwl.com [143.199.125.10])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id RAA01318
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:09:12 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by is-callahan.gwl.com; id SAA21302; Fri, 15 Oct 1999
18:02:02 -0600
Received: from is-news(143.199.103.8) by is-callahan.gwl.com
via smap (V4.2)
id xma021279; Fri, 15 Oct 99 18:01:58 -0600
Received: from
is-edison.gwl.com (is-edison [143.199.99.14])
by is-news.gwl.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3/EMH1.5) with ESMTP id SAA04267
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 18:09:08 -0600
(MDT)
Received: from its-atlantis.gwl.com (its-atlantis
[143.199.102.180])
by is-edison.gwl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/ISC2.0L) with ESMTP id
SAA28833
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999
18:09:09 -0600 (MDT)
Received: by its-atlantis.gwl.com with Internet Mail
Service (5.5.2448.0)
id <4GBCVJRX>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 18:00:59
-0600
Message-ID:
<5AE3CECEB12CD3119E4B0090277AEFAC18A022@its-atlantis.gwl.com>
From:
"Palamara, Peter" <pala@gwl.com>
To: team 3si
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: FW: greddy turbo
setup :)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 18:00:58 -0600
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> Well
I'm not sure if I made this known to the public but will now. I
>
purchased the greddy turbo setup for our cars from Mike at Altered
>
Atmosphere. First I have to put a word out for Mike, he did an excellent
>
job of letting me know were the parts were and shipped them out promptly
>
when he did get them and he was very fair on price! Thanx Mike!
> Now onto
the turbos. The kit basically replaces the whole existing setup
> but the
fun part is you have to fabricate about 50% the rest of it. It
> came with
the stainless headers and TD-05 16g turbos which flow 505 cfm
> per turbo
compare that with the 410 cfm from the td04 15g's. Now this
> setup aint
cheap it set me back a few bucks but the craftsman ship on the
> headers
are unlike anything I have seen! They are actually really pretty
> :)
heehheh And the welds and thickness of the stainless steel they used
> was
way beyond the usual! So the price is well worth it. Now this setup is
>
an external wastegate setup and today I found out I can use TIAL
>
wastegates instead of the greddy type-R's so that will save me around
$600
> :)
> Now the disappointment and setback already :(
> We
got the engine pulled yesterday and decided to play with the turbos by
>
just fake mounting them by loosely putting a couple bolts on the studs
and
> hanging them there. Well to our amaisment they have the intake track
for
> these opposite of what the td04 were :( So that is challenge number
one
> already :(
> Now we knew ahead of time greddy stated that
there may not be much room in
> the back for the turbo and may have to
bang in the firewall. Well with the
> test fit we measured and we have to
bang in the fire wall around 2 1/2 to
> 3 inches in were the turbo will
sit in the back :(
> The plus so far is that they are only oil fed turbos
so no routing of
> coolant lines are necessary :)
> What we may end
up doing is cutting off the mounting flanges for both
> manifolds and
repositioning the flange so that the air intake is back in
> line. What
amazed us is that the stock intake piping fits right on the
> intake track
of the turbo. Well that's about all I want to write but all I
> have to
really say is if you got the money and time this will be an
> excellent
project! It sure will be for me! Visit my web page below for
> upcoming
pictures of the setup and tear down of the motor. Cant wait till
> spring
:)
>
> 92 3000 GTO S.C.
> Soon to be exactly what the plates
say :)
> Plates (HIPRESR)
> 1-800-888-gwla x4733
>
http://members.xoom.com/palamarap
>
>
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sat Oct 16 02:13:48 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
CAA07060
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 02:13:48 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail3.sirius.com (mail3.sirius.com
[205.134.253.133])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
CAA07053
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 16 Oct 1999
02:13:46 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from forrest (ppp-sfx202--191.sirius.net
[205.134.229.191])
by mail3.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id
CAA74357
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 16 Oct 1999
02:17:38 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
<005f01bf17b6$b4c1cdf0$bfe586cd@forrest.sirius.com>
From: "Bob
Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
To: "Team3S"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO
US!!!
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 02:13:17 -0700
X-Priority:
3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express
4.72.3612.1700
X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3612.1700
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Congratulations, everyone!
Yes, it's been a year since the
seven of us "Admins" decided to
form Team3S. We wanted a
mailing list devoted to technical issues,
for folks who are busy with the
rigors of life, who don't have time
for the chat and flames and the 'fluff'
of other lists. An idea
exchange for ladies and gents, if you
will... Thanks to all of you
who have joined us, for making Team3S a
success.
It's because of the type of folks we have here..., all of you,
that
Team3S is a forum of quality and substance. We've had almost
500
people from dozens of countries sign on since our 7-man
beginnings,
many of whom have helped the entire group with their
selfless
efforts. That includes everything from setting up the web
pages and
offering webspace, to actually going after problem vendors and
even
organizing group purchases. Many of us share information about
our
Stealth or 3000GT with the world with our own websites, and offer
help
and suggestions via the list itself. And quite a few of us
have
actually met in regional gatherings, just enjoying a drive, and
our marvelous
cars, and life, and cementing the friendships we've
made on the
internet.
We have lots of plans for our second year, with reference pages
and
a searchable FAQ going on the web shortly. We'll all reap
the
benefits of having some of the priceless technical information
that
has been covered in our emails, once it's published on a
central
site. Our pages and our list will continue to be free,
and
available to both members and anyone else who happens to find us
while
websurfing...
The Admins would also like to pat ourselves on the back for
handling
the logistics of keeping the Team3S list running smoothly so we
all
may enjoy it... But the main thanks is to all of you who have
made
it as wonderful as we dreamed it could be, way back when...
A
toast... to the 3000GT and the Stealth, and to Team3S!
Warmest
regards, and safe driving to all...
The Team3S Admins:
BOB Forrest,
San Francisco, CA, USA Team3S@bobforrest.com
CHRIS Winkley, Portland,
OR, USA cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com
DARCY Gunnlaugson, Victoria, B.C.,
CANADA wce@bc.sympatico.ca
JIM Matthews, Wiesbaden, GERMANY
matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de
MIKAEL Akesson, Stockholm, SWEDEN
vr4@bahnhof.se
RICH LeRoy, Ridgefield, WA, USA
rleroy@pacifier.com
ROGER Gerl, Zurich, SWITZERLAND
robby@swissonline.ch
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sat Oct 16 04:29:31 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
EAA09950
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 04:29:31 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail.swissonline.ch (mail.swissonline.ch
[62.2.32.83])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
EAA09943
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 16 Oct 1999
04:29:27 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from swissonline.ch
(pop-ls-14-2-1-dialup-118.freesurf.ch [194.230.228.118])
by
mail.swissonline.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02100
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 13:29:25 +0200 (MET
DST)
Message-ID: <38086138.7D107913@swissonline.ch>
Date: Sat, 16
Oct 1999 13:27:52 +0200
From: "R.G."
<robby@swissonline.ch>
Reply-To: robby@swissonline.ch
Organization:
Behind the frontier
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-QXW0310a (Win98;
I)
X-Accept-Language: de, en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Team3S
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Injector duty
& new Apexi AVC-R
References:
<002001bef453$a239ea40$418a83d8@RGERL012599_000.peoplesoft.com>
<37CD651A.A4BD36A8@gat.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I just got the
boost controller for one of my customers and I runned into a
simple and maybe
stupid question :
> There is also a mode where you can display a graph
with one of the above
> parameters on the Y axis against RPM on the X
axis. In this mode, you can
> select 1 point, 10 point (it looks
like a snake moving around the graph), or
> ghost trace where all points
remain illuminated until reset. You can also do a
> manual hold, but I'm
not sure if the peak hold works on this display. It was
> with this
graph in ghost trace that I could determine the RPM where my IDC
> usually
hit 100%.
This made me thinking as you can only attach to the RPM OR the
INJECTOR wire at
once to the ECU. So if the IDC is attched how does the unit
know the RPM ??? I
was walking up and down the manual and often found the
note or warning about
whatever is connected. For sure, the most interesting
diaplys would be boost
against rpm and IDC against RPM. The first is no
problem but what if the sensor
line is connected to the injector wire ? The
manual says that the self learning
mode as well as gear learning is not
workign well when IDC is connected isntead
of RPM. What are your experiences
here ?
Thanks,
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sat Oct 16 05:44:13 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
FAA10672
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 05:44:13 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mx02.gis.net (mail2.gis.net [208.218.130.7])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id FAA10665
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 05:44:10 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from monster (nas-44-224.boston.navinet.net [216.67.44.224])
by mx02.gis.net (8.8.8/8.8.8+pyrd) with SMTP id IAA24429 for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 08:44:03 -0400
(EDT)
Message-ID: <002e01bf17d4$384959a0$140100b6@monster>
Reply-To:
"Gil Gomes" <gil@warpedweb.com>
From: "Gil Gomes"
<gil@warpedweb.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: wheels &
Tires...
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 08:44:38 -0400
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
multipart/alternative;
boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01BF17B2.AE02CD60"
X-Priority:
3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express
4.72.3612.1700
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3612.1700
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
This is a multi-part message in MIME
format.
------=_NextPart_000_002B_01BF17B2.AE02CD60
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
quoted-printable
I just got a humongous bonus from
my company
for my work on our Y2K problem. (That little glitch
DOES
have its good points...) I'm now in the market
for new sneakers for my
3KGT base.
I currently have the original 16"
steel wheels
and appropriate tires. I'm wondering if anyone
else has
gone from there to 18" wheels on a=20
base. What tire size is
appropriate for 18"
wheels? What are the benefits of going from
16"
to 17" or 18"? Are there any brands that tend
to
fit our cars better? Is there anything in particular
to be cautious
about? I'm currently looking at
chrome Mille Miglia
Spiders....
Thanx...
-G
------=_NextPart_000_002B_01BF17B2.AE02CD60
Content-Type:
text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
quoted-printable
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3
HTML//EN">
<HTML>
<HEAD>
<META
content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1
=
http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
<META content=3D'"MSHTML
4.72.3612.1706"' name=3DGENERATOR>
</HEAD>
<BODY
bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><BR> I
just got a humongous bonus from my =
company<BR>for=20
my work on
our Y2K problem. (That little glitch<BR>DOES have its
=
good=20
points...) I'm now in the market<BR>for new
sneakers for my
3KGT=20
base.<BR><BR> I currently
have the original 16" =
steel=20
wheels<BR>and appropriate
tires. I'm wondering if anyone<BR>else =
has gone=20
from
there to 18" wheels on a <BR>base. What tire size is
=
appropriate=20
for 18"<BR>wheels? What are the
benefits of going from =
16"<BR>to=20
17" or
18"? Are there any brands that tend<BR>to fit our
=
cars=20
better? Is there anything in particular<BR>to be
cautious =
about? I'm=20
currently looking at<BR>chrome
Mille
Miglia=20
Spiders....<BR><BR>Thanx...<BR>-G<BR><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>
------=_NextPart_000_002B_01BF17B2.AE02CD60--
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 16 07:59:05 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id HAA11944
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 07:59:05 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
hotmail.com (law2-f70.hotmail.com [216.32.181.70])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id HAA11937
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 07:59:02 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (qmail 46327 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 1999 14:58:42
-0000
Message-ID: <19991016145842.46326.qmail@hotmail.com>
Received:
from 63.11.62.103 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP;
Sat, 16 Oct 1999 07:58:41
PDT
X-Originating-IP: [63.11.62.103]
From: "Curt Gendron"
<curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Road racing - Cracked
rotor and brake pad failure
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 09:58:41
CDT
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Actually, it was
the Stillen cross-drilled rotor that Oskar broke in two
places. He
then replaced it with a stock rotor. He didn't have any
problems with
his stock rotors, other than the fact that they have been
warped for a long
time. ;)
later,
Curt
http://www.mn3s.org
>From:
"Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
>To:
"Oskar" <swede@pclink.com>, "Team 3S"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
>Subject: RE: Team3S: Road racing -
Cracked rotor and brake pad failure
>Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:49:09
-0500
>
>Seems the 94+ rotors are prone to cracking from the
hub. Maybe we should
>look into finding a good
replacement.
>
>
>Brad
______________________________________________________
Get
Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sat Oct 16 09:19:06 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
JAA13214
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 09:19:06 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from spool.webzone.net (mta@mail.webzone.net
[205.219.23.67])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
JAA13207
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 16 Oct 1999
09:19:02 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from chromeusa ([208.152.100.8]) by
spool.webzone.net
(post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-12689) with SMTP id
AAA6798
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Sat, 16 Oct 1999 11:18:59 -0500
Message-ID:
<003c01bf17f3$1b057ee0$086498d0@chromeusa>
From: "William W.
Tabler, Jr." <billt@chromeusa.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Chrome
Wheels
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 11:25:47 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3110.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Dear Team3S,
My company is venturing into the market of bright
chrome plating on aluminum
wheels. This service would take your
aluminum wheels, strip any paint /
clear coat, polish to a bright finish then
triple chrome plate. This would
give you a bright chrome finish on your
wheels.
Do you have any interest in this service?
What would you
expect to pay for this service?
What turn around time would you
expect?
I would appreciate any additional information you may want to
share.
Thank you for your response!
Bill Tabler,
Jr
President
Chromium Plating
Company
billt@chromeusa.com
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sat Oct 16 09:28:45 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
JAA13329
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 09:28:45 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id JAA13321
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 09:28:41 -0700
(PDT)
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
Received: from TurboDrvn@aol.com
by
imo29.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 3FSDa16946 (4216);
Sat, 16 Oct 1999
12:28:12 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <182043c5.253a019b@aol.com>
Date:
Sat, 16 Oct 1999 12:28:11 EDT
Subject: Re: Team3S: HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO
US!!!
To: bf@bobforrest.com, stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer:
Windows AOL sub 44
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
In a message
dated 10/16/99 4:14:42 AM Central Daylight Time,
bf@bobforrest.com
writes:
<< The Team3S Admins:
BOB Forrest, San Francisco, CA,
USA Team3S@bobforrest.com
CHRIS Winkley, Portland, OR, USA
cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com
DARCY Gunnlaugson, Victoria, B.C., CANADA
wce@bc.sympatico.ca
JIM Matthews, Wiesbaden, GERMANY
matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de
MIKAEL Akesson, Stockholm, SWEDEN
vr4@bahnhof.se
RICH LeRoy, Ridgefield, WA, USA
rleroy@pacifier.com
ROGER Gerl, Zurich, SWITZERLAND
robby@swissonline.ch
>>
Gentlemen,
Congratulations!!!!!!
You have provided our fellow
3000GT/Stealth owners a valuable means of
communicating and sharing
technical ideas/information!!!!!!! Provided us
with a structured
environment/channel where we found minimal server/list
problems and
interruptions!! Thanks!
On behalf of
all of us 3000GT/Stealth owners, HATS OFF to you gentlemen
on the Team 3s
Administration !!!!!!!! Thank you, again!!!!
Ahmed
"AL-Crazy".
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 16 10:06:49 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id KAA13822
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 10:06:49 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
exchange.princelaw.com (exchange.princelaw.com [151.197.81.12])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id KAA13815
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 10:06:47 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id
<47LXJKJH>; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 13:06:25 -0400
Message-ID:
<7057B516B5F8D11198320080296571A24D8EF4@EXCHANGE>
From: Joshua
<joshua@unconundrum.com>
To:
"'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: stock boost solenoid
question
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 13:06:18 -0400
Importance:
high
X-Priority: 1
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Ok I was playing
around the engine compartment cleaning it up when I
accident hit the stock
solenoid. The one plastic piece which you would cap
when you put and
aftermarket boost controller broke off. Now I had put the
car back to
stock because it is under warranty and my mom was having some
trany
probs. Anyway, with that hose not attached and the piece broken off,
I
am hitting 1.05 bars of boost!!!!! Why would this be? The car has
no
boost controller except for the bottom connection of the stock
solenoid
being broken off and the hose not being connected. Is this
bad? Could
people not need a boost controller to get 1.05, just merely
un-attach that
hose? Does anyone have a stock one, that I replace it
with, since I can't
take it into a dealer with a broke stock solenoid.
Thanks for any info
guys.
Joshua
Prince
3si#0137
joshua@unconundrum.com
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sat Oct 16 11:56:06 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
LAA15403
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 11:56:06 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from spool.webzone.net (mta@mail.webzone.net
[205.219.23.67])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
LAA15396
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 16 Oct 1999
11:56:03 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from benson ([208.152.103.214]) by
spool.webzone.net
(post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-12689) with SMTP id
AAA4670
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Sat, 16 Oct 1999 13:56:00 -0500
Message-ID:
<015301bf1803$626332e0$10c9c9c9@benson>
From: "Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell" <benson@2015.com>
To: "3000GT
Mailing" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: wheels
& Tires...
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 13:22:18 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
I have a base 3000GT also ('95). I went from the stock
16" to 17" (I wanted
18", but couldn't afford them :).
The basic principal is to keep the same
overall diameter of the entire tire
the same. So if ya go to bigger rims,
then you should get lower profile
tires. The stock tires on mine were
225/55ZR15's, and I went to
245/45ZR17's (which fits on a 17 x 8 rim, but I
think you can go up to 8.5 on
the width). If you went with 18's then you'd
probably get like a 245/30
(or 35) ZR18 tire would be my guess. Go to
www.tirerack.com and they
have a system where you enter yer make and model
and year of car, and you can
select rim size and they recommend the
appropriate tire size as well.
Plus, if you purchase both the rims and the
tires from them, they will mount
and balance the tires for you (included in
the price), and they ship to yer
door. So you just have to put them on
(although I'd recommend an
alignment job just to be sure that everything is
well :). I got the
Kosei SC6's from them, with Pirelli S7000 Super Sport
series (they're
classified as Ultra High-Performance, All Season tires, have
a 320 A A
treadwear rating, and about a 40 - 45,000 mile life). I'd
recommend
Pirelli's (especially this particular tire). These are by far the
best
tires I've had, and they handle excelletly in both rain and dry
weather
(being in Tulsa, we hardly get any snow out here, so that's a
consideration
depending upon yer living area :). I'd also recommend the
TireRack for the
place to shop and purchase, some of the best prices I've
seen (I got my
tires for $149 a piece :). They also have a really kewl
app on their web
site that will show a picture of yer car, and you can place
rims on the
picture to see what it'll look like :).
Good luck with the
hunt for sneakers :).
Latufh fuh
U,
Benson
benson@2015.com
"-Do you ever have second
thoughts?
-When do I ever have first thoughts?"
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 16 14:55:37 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id OAA17366
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 14:55:37 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
ro.com (IDENT:0@sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id OAA17359
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 14:55:34 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from sjiredff (tnt1-97-131.ro.com [208.134.97.131])
by
ro.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/RO-1.01) with SMTP id QAA27658;
Sat, 16 Oct 1999 16:55:28
-0500
Message-ID: <000c01bf1820$71cddc40$836186d0@sjiredff>
From:
"Paul T. Golley" <ptgolley@ro.com>
To: "Darcy
Gunnlaugson"
<wce@bc.sympatico.ca>,
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: It Works! (at least
half of it, anyway)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 16:50:19 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3612.1700
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Darc & All-
I finally got my Super-AVC-R
installed and working. On Darc's
recommendation, I set the A settings
to 1.00 bar and 66% boost
duty. To let it learn, I ran up to redline in
second gear. Drove a
while, and couldn't find a spot to try redlining
in third. I decided
to try redlining in second again. This time
it popped and sputtered
at about 5000 rpm. Tried it again, it popped
and sputtered again.
Let the rpm drop down to a normal 60mph/4th gear cruise,
and
it was missing. After a short time it cleared up. I suppose
the
problem was that my plugs fouled while it was missing, so I've
got to
reduce my plug gaps to .034 in. to prevent it from missing.
Right?
One
problem though: I can't get the thing to select "B," to do
the
second set-up. I thought just pressing the select button
would
switch back and forth between A and B, but mine stays in
A.
Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong? TIA.
Regards,
ptg
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 16 15:48:37 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id PAA18130
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 15:48:37 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
refuge.Colorado.EDU (root@refuge.Colorado.EDU [128.138.196.2])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id PAA18123
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 15:48:34 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from refuge.colorado.edu (demon.Colorado.EDU
[128.138.196.115])
by refuge.Colorado.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/UnixOps+Hesiod
(Refuge)) with ESMTP id QAA29210
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Sat, 16 Oct 1999 16:48:31 -0600 (MDT)
Message-ID:
<380900D0.F7469C7D@refuge.colorado.edu>
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 16:48:48
-0600
From: Dave <monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
X-Mailer: Mozilla
4.5 [en] (Win95; U)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To:
"stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: transfer case
update
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
to anyone
that has been paying attention to my transfer case problems, the
transfer
case from MD Auto showed up at the shop last monday and was installed
in an
hour or so.. (my mechanic charged me 2 hours total for removing the
original case and the downpipe, and reinstallation) I also located a
source
for Redline fluids right here in Boulder (Foreign Car Specialists) so
I had
the shop put in MT90 in the tranny and Shockproof Heavy in the
transfer case
and differential..
my mechanic seemed to
think everything looked fine with the rebuilt unit,
although he didn't open
it up to verify the condition of the internals..
result: *ear to
ear grin* :) it's a little more fun to drive now without
the
sounds of a table saw coming from the transfer case..
however,
there is still a slight whine and I wanted to know if I should be
concerned.. my gut feeling is that it's within reason.. I think
I remember
reading a post that suggested a _little_ whine is normal
especially in the 6
speeds.. true?
btw, if you happened
to notice the special October only discount price from
Tallahassee
Mitsubishi, apparently they are doing a $100 over cost special on
all engines
and transmissions!!! get'em while they're hot! ;)
glad to be
back among the driving ranks!
Dave
95 Black (yea! it's back to AWD)
VR4
87 Mica Red GTI G60
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 16 16:02:31 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id QAA18306
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 16:02:31 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
refuge.Colorado.EDU (root@refuge.Colorado.EDU [128.138.196.2])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id QAA18299
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 16:02:28 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from refuge.colorado.edu (demon.Colorado.EDU
[128.138.196.115])
by refuge.Colorado.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/UnixOps+Hesiod
(Refuge)) with ESMTP id RAA29311
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Sat, 16 Oct 1999 17:02:26 -0600 (MDT)
Message-ID:
<38090412.F83338E5@refuge.colorado.edu>
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 17:02:42
-0600
From: Dave <monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
X-Mailer: Mozilla
4.5 [en] (Win95; U)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To:
"stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: sunroof crank
mechanism / factory alarm remote
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
please
forgive me for a pretty non-technical post, but I'm trying to find
a cheaper
solution to this than bending over for the dealer..
now that I have my
car back, I'd love to be driving it.. problem is, it's
currently
snowing here in Boulder.. it's not the driving that bothers me,
it's
the water dripping on my head because the sunroof won't lock down.. :(
it
looks like the previous owner probably broke the mechanism, took it apart
and
removed a piece.. unfortunately, individual pieces aren't available
from
the dealer, so I can't even find out what it is that's missing.. I
took some
pictures of the parts, and if any of you could clue me, I'd be very
appreciative! also, if anyone has said part(s) that they would be
willing to
sell, please let me know!
I also am looking for a
factory alarm remote that'll work with a 95 VR4..
got a spare? (the
dealer says 1G and 2G are different.. true?)
take a look
at
http:\\ucsu.colorado.edu\~monarchd\3000gt
follow the link to
"Parts..." then "Sunroof crank
mechanism"
thanks!
Dave
95 Black (currently 2WD) VR4
87
Mica Red GTI (always been 2WD) G60
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sat Oct 16 16:08:59 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
QAA18461
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 16:08:59 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from refuge.Colorado.EDU (root@refuge.Colorado.EDU
[128.138.196.2])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
QAA18454
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 16 Oct 1999
16:08:56 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from refuge.colorado.edu (demon.Colorado.EDU
[128.138.196.115])
by refuge.Colorado.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/UnixOps+Hesiod
(Refuge)) with ESMTP id RAA29366
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Sat, 16 Oct 1999 17:08:54 -0600 (MDT)
Message-ID:
<38090596.36282D73@refuge.colorado.edu>
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 17:09:10
-0600
From: Dave <monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
X-Mailer: Mozilla
4.5 [en] (Win95; U)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To:
"stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: transfer case bearing
pic
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
sheesh.. sorry for the slew of posts, but I forgot to mention in
the last
post that I took a much better picture of the failed bearings in my
transfer
case..
you simply won't believe that I could have driven the
car with these in the
case..
:)
http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~monarchd/3000gt/square_bearings2.jpg
or
http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~monarchd/3000gt/transfercase.html
Dave
95
Black VR4
87 Mica Red GTI G60
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt
Sat Oct 16 16:36:25 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id QAA18721
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 16:36:25 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail2.uunet.ca (root@mail2.uunet.ca [142.77.1.15])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id QAA18714
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 16:36:21 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from deadkenny.northern-lights.bc.ca ([209.167.156.171]) by
mail2.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <50446-16965>; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 19:36:17
-0400
Received: from cr494400a.abtsfd1.bc.wave.home.com ([24.113.87.64]) by
deadkenny.northern-lights.bc.ca
with smtp id m11cdPD-000Z7EC
(Debian
Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Sat, 16 Oct 1999 16:38:31 -0700 (PDT)
From:
"Dave Holden" <dholden@deadkenny.northern-lights.bc.ca>
To:
"'3000GT Mailing'" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Another P.O.V. on tire choice
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 19:29:28
-0400
Message-ID:
<000201bf182e$4bfd0aa0$40577118@abtsfd1.bc.wave.home.com>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Priority:
3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5,
Build 4.71.2173.0
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Importance: Normal
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hello
all,
I recently put new tires on my '91 R/T. It is a daily driver
and I got
tired of having to put on new "ZR" rated tires every
year.
This time I went with a BFG Comp T/A 245/45/17 "H" rated
tire. They drive
fine and the ride is more comfortable than the stiffer
"ZR" tires. So far
they have worn very well. For a
daily driver, I thought that these tires
offered a sensible compromise
between cost and performance. Obviously, they
are inferior to the
"ZR" tires for high-performance driving. They howl
with
protest under high cornering loads, but I was pleasantly surprised with
the
amount of grip they do have. The "H" speed rating is good
for sustained
speeds of up to 130 MPH, which is far higher than anyone will
ever use on
the street (except for some residents of Montana). In terms
of cost, the
"H" rated tire was about 40% cheaper than an
equivalent tire with a "Z",
"ZR", or "VR" speed
rating.
I would not recommend them if your car is a weekend toy, but I am
far
happier with these tires for everyday use than I was with any of the
"ZR"
tires that I had before.
Dave Holden
Pearl White '91
R/T
Abbotsford,
BC
http://deadkenny.northern-lights.bc.ca/~dholden
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 16 19:00:13 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id TAA20082
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 19:00:13 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
refuge.Colorado.EDU (root@refuge.Colorado.EDU [128.138.196.2])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id TAA20075
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 19:00:11 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from refuge.colorado.edu (demon.Colorado.EDU
[128.138.196.115])
by refuge.Colorado.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/UnixOps+Hesiod
(Refuge)) with ESMTP id UAA00894
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Sat, 16 Oct 1999 20:00:09 -0600 (MDT)
Message-ID:
<38092DB8.5AD34C32@refuge.colorado.edu>
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 20:00:24
-0600
From: Dave <monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
X-Mailer: Mozilla
4.5 [en] (Win95; U)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To:
"stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: sunroof crank
mechanism / factory alarm remote
References:
<38090412.F83338E5@refuge.colorado.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
oops..
Dave wrote:
> now that I have my car back, I'd
love to be driving it.. problem is, it's
> currently snowing here in
Boulder.. it's not the driving that bothers me,
> it's the water
dripping on my head because the sunroof won't lock down.. :(
>
> it
looks like the previous owner probably broke the mechanism, took it
apart
> and removed a piece.. unfortunately, individual pieces
aren't available from
> the dealer, so I can't even find out what it is
that's missing.. I took some
> pictures of the parts, and if any of
you could clue me, I'd be very
> appreciative! also, if anyone has
said part(s) that they would be willing to
> sell, please let me
know!
>
> I also am looking for a factory alarm remote that'll work
with a 95 VR4..
> got a spare? (the dealer says 1G and 2G are
different.. true?)
>
> take a look at
>
http:\\ucsu.colorado.edu\~monarchd\3000gt
sorry.. switching between
unix and windows screws with me sometimes..
it should be:
http
://ucsu.colorado.edu/~monarchd/3000gt
then follow the link to
"Parts..." then "Sunroof crank mechanism"
sorry for
the repeat..
Dave
95 Black VR4
87 Mica Red GTI G60
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 17 01:53:00 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id BAA24103
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 01:53:00 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
wiesbaden.netsurf.de (nero.wiesbaden.netsurf.de [194.163.168.140])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id BAA24088
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 01:52:56 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from wiesbaden.netsurf.de by wiesbaden.netsurf.de with
esmtp
(Smail3.2.0.95 #28) id m11cmB1-001leUC; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:00:27 +0100
(MET)
Message-ID: <38099B73.DF8E4C97@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Date:
Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:48:35 +0100
From: Matthews
<matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en,ja
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: "Paul T.
Golley" <ptgolley@ro.com>
CC:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: It Works! (at least half
of it, anyway)
References:
<000c01bf1820$71cddc40$836186d0@sjiredff>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
"Paul T.
Golley" wrote:
>
> problem was that my plugs fouled while it
was missing, so I've
> got to reduce my plug gaps to .034 in. to prevent
it from missing.
> Right?
Sounds right to me.
> One
problem though: I can't get the thing to select "B," to do
the
> second set-up. I thought just pressing the select button
would
> switch back and forth between A and B, but mine stays in
A.
Pressing the A/B button once will display the boost pressure limit
set
for whatever setting you're on, pressing it again will switch to
the
other setting.
--
Jim Matthews - Wiesbaden,
Germany
matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (64 Kbps
ISDN)
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews
*** 3000GT-Stealth
International (3Si) Member #0030
***
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews/stealth.html
Jet Black '94
Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension,
Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 72%
BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark
plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
Metal Matrix brake pads, custom braided
brake lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 168mph
G-Tech
Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 406 SAE
HP, 354 lb-ft torque
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 17 01:53:03 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id BAA24111
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 01:53:03 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
wiesbaden.netsurf.de (nero.wiesbaden.netsurf.de [194.163.168.140])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id BAA24096
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 01:52:58 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from wiesbaden.netsurf.de by wiesbaden.netsurf.de with
esmtp
(Smail3.2.0.95 #28) id m11cmB4-001leVC; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:00:30 +0100
(MET)
Message-ID: <38099C54.C0E5E959@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Date:
Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:52:20 +0100
From: Matthews
<matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en,ja
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Dave
<monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
CC:
"stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: transfer case
update
References:
<380900D0.F7469C7D@refuge.colorado.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Dave
wrote:
>
> however, there is still a slight whine and I wanted to
know if I should be
> concerned.. my gut feeling is that it's within
reason.. I think I remember
> reading a post that suggested a
_little_ whine is normal especially in the 6
> speeds..
true?
Mine has whined since I bought it used with 34k miles, 40k miles
ago.
Note that the whine is really only audible when decelerating.
--
Jim Matthews - Wiesbaden, Germany
matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (64 Kbps
ISDN)
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews
*** 3000GT-Stealth
International (3Si) Member #0030
***
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews/stealth.html
Jet Black '94
Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension,
Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 72%
BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark
plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
Metal Matrix brake pads, custom braided
brake lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 168mph
G-Tech
Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 406 SAE
HP, 354 lb-ft torque
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 17 01:53:08 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id BAA24155
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 01:53:08 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
wiesbaden.netsurf.de (nero.wiesbaden.netsurf.de [194.163.168.140])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id BAA24120
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 01:53:03 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from wiesbaden.netsurf.de by wiesbaden.netsurf.de with
esmtp
(Smail3.2.0.95 #28) id m11cmB6-001leWC; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:00:32 +0100
(MET)
Message-ID: <38099D70.C06C33FB@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Date:
Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:57:04 +0100
From: Matthews
<matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en,ja
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Dave Holden
<dholden@deadkenny.northern-lights.bc.ca>
CC: "'3000GT
Mailing'" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Another P.O.V. on tire choice
References:
<000201bf182e$4bfd0aa0$40577118@abtsfd1.bc.wave.home.com>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Dave Holden
wrote:
>
> I recently put new tires on my '91 R/T. It is a
daily driver and I got
> tired of having to put on new "ZR"
rated tires every year.
Every year? How many miles were you getting
out of your ZRs? And what
were they? I have about 30k miles on my
set of Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4
M+S meats and they have a lot of life left in
them.
> amount of grip they do have. The "H" speed
rating is good for sustained
> speeds of up to 130 MPH, which is far
higher than anyone will ever use on
> the street (except for some
residents of Montana). In terms of cost, the
Well, there are a few
other places...
-Jim (AVERAGED 120 mph for 175 miles yesterday)
--
Jim Matthews - Wiesbaden, Germany
matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (64 Kbps
ISDN)
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews
*** 3000GT-Stealth
International (3Si) Member #0030
***
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews/stealth.html
Jet Black '94
Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension,
Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 72%
BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark
plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
Metal Matrix brake pads, custom braided
brake lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 168mph
G-Tech
Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 406 SAE
HP, 354 lb-ft torque
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 17 03:08:54 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id DAA24917
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 03:08:54 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
prserv.net (out5.prserv.net [165.87.194.243])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id DAA24910
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 03:08:51 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from attglobal.net ([139.92.8.47]) by prserv.net (out5) with
SMTP
id
<1999101710084924304psc3je>; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:08:50
+0000
Message-ID: <38099E16.2443C041@attglobal.net>
Date: Sun, 17
Oct 1999 11:59:50 +0200
From: Mike Chapleski
<mike.chapleski@attglobal.net>
Reply-To:
mike.chapleski@ibm.net
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98;
U)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Team3S
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>,
"Shelton, Todd D" <tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Team3S: Update
on Jeff Curtis' Case
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
All,
I received a letter form Betty Feltes (Jeff's mother)
a few weeks
ago. Sorry it has taken awhile for me to post his, but I am
just now
starting to get caught up on all my e-mails.
For those of you who do not know, Jeff Curtis was a very energetic
supporter
of S3 cars and one of the person's instrumental in getting the
Starnet list
up and running and organizing Stealth/3000GT's over the
internet.
He was tragically killed in January of 1998 during a road
rage incident on
his way to work. His car was hit on the side, forcing
it over the
median, where it hit a Ford Explorer head on. The driver of
the
Explorer was not injured. Jeff was not in his Stealth at the time,
but
his daily driver, a Chevy Cavelier. While this all may seem a
little
weird to those of you who did not know Jeff, he was very
knowledgeable person
who was great at bringing logic and humor to the
senseless flame wars that
erupt on the Starnet list.
>From Betty:
The timing of your letter
was really perfect. After months of delays,
and court hearings about
every three weeks for about a year, the trial
of the guy who caused the crash
and was charged with three counts of
reckless homicide for Jeff's death was
finally held in April. We had
been told all along by the DuPage County
State's Attorney's office that
is was very unusual for them to even file
reckless homicide charges in a
case like this where no drugs or alcohol
involved by the defendant and
that it would be a very difficult case to
win. The defendant remained
arrogant to the end never even admitting
that he hit Jeff in spite of
all the witnesses, and twice during the year
rejected plea agreements
which would have reduced charges. The
Secretary of State's office had
already permanently revoked his driver's
license in June of last year
based on the recommendation of the State's
Attorney's office after they
finally charged him with reckless
homicide. The State's Attorney's
office did an incredible job
prosecuting, and after a four day trial by
jury, the defendant was found
guilty on all three accounts of reckless
homicide on April 23.
Sentencing was set for June 4, and on that day,
much to the surprise of the
State's Attorney's office, who had told us
all along that even if they did
win this case, the defendant would never
get jail time, the judge sentenced
him to six months in jail, plus the
maximum 30 months probation, monetary
restitution to the man whose Ford
Explorer hit Jeff after he was pushed over
the median by the defendant,
and whatever other terms the probation division
deemed necessary such as
anger management counseling and community
service. He was given 10 days
to clear up his affairs and reported back
to court on June 14 and taken
to jail from there to begin serving his
sentence.
Mike Chapleski
0018
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 17 09:01:15 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA28404
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 09:01:15 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id JAA28397
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 09:01:12 -0700
(PDT)
From: Dskull@aol.com
Received: from Dskull@aol.com
by
imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id uIVK0ECqaH (4461)
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 12:00:48 -0400
(EDT)
Message-ID: <0.37439eae.253b4caf@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Oct
1999 12:00:47 EDT
Subject: Team3S: Parts Left for Sale - David
Skultety
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: AOL
4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Do NOT reply to
the list, E-mail me directly at dskull@aol.com
Set of 1993 VR4 17 "
chrome wheels with Yoko A032 255/45/17 tires. The chrome
on these is
shot/peeling/gone. Could be re-chromed or good for winter wheels.
Also have
a set of Goodyear Eagle 245/45/17 tires with approx. 1/2 tread
left. You get
the whole package for 450.00 plus shipping.
Set of H&R sport springs.
These are direct replacment for the stock springs.
Fits 1993 VR4. They will
lower the car about 1" and the stiffness will go up
one appox. one
notch. Your tour setting will feel like sport and the sport
setting will be
stiffer. Yours for 125.00 plus shipping ;
Stock Catalytic convertor. Gut it
for a test pipe. 50.00 plus shipping.
Set 0f 92-96 service manuals PLUS
CD. 50.00 plus shipping
Road Race Engineering Rear Tower Bar. 100.00
plus shipping
Ground control springs - 7" @ 500 lbs - 40.00 plus
shipping
Ground control springs - 6" @ 600 lbs - 40,00 plus
shipping
NOTE - These springs will only fit the Ground Control adjustable
package.
Will not work as replacements for stock springs. Good deal for
someone who's
wants to go to a stiffer setup.
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sun Oct 17 10:24:09 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
KAA29250
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:24:09 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch
[194.158.230.44])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
KAA29243
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 17 Oct 1999
10:24:04 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from rg (194.230.203.113) by
newmail.spectraweb.ch; 17 Oct 1999 19:20:10 +0200
Message-ID:
<005801bf18c4$26c710a0$71cbe6c2@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<000c01bf1820$71cddc40$836186d0@sjiredff>
Subject: Re: Team3S: It
Works! (at least half of it, anyway)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 18:32:51
+0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> got to reduce my plug gaps to .034 in. to prevent it from
missing.
What was the peak boost ? But for sure, reducing the gap is the
first what
should be done.
> One problem though: I can't get
the thing to select "B," to do the
> second set-up. I
thought just pressing the select button would
> switch back and forth
between A and B, but mine stays in A.
Umpf, AVC1 or 2
??
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sun Oct 17 14:35:40 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
OAA02905
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 14:35:40 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch
[194.158.230.44])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
OAA02898
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 17 Oct 1999
14:35:36 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from rg (195.24.90.181) by
newmail.spectraweb.ch; 17 Oct 1999 23:31:57 +0200
Message-ID:
<000701bf18e7$51ef1c00$b55a18c3@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<000c01bf1820$71cddc40$836186d0@sjiredff>
<005801bf18c4$26c710a0$71cbe6c2@rg>
Subject: Team3S: Updated site with
MAF information, etc.
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 23:33:56 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Check out the promised information about the SplitSecond ARC2-GP
MAF
conversion kit with tunign tetails, datalogs, pics and
more.
http://www.geocities.com/swisscars/3000gt.html
PS: GeoCities
again made the sites slower but I hope it's not too bad as I
tried to
optimize the pics.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sun Oct 17 14:46:09 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
OAA03212
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 14:46:09 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mx02.gis.net (mail2.gis.net [208.218.130.7])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id OAA03205
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 14:46:06 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from monster (nas-45-54.boston.navinet.net [216.67.45.54]) by
mx02.gis.net (8.8.8/8.8.8+pyrd) with SMTP id RAA12592 for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 17:46:03 -0400
(EDT)
Message-ID: <003301bf18e9$15211740$140100b6@monster>
Reply-To:
"Gil Gomes" <gil@warpedweb.com>
From: "Gil Gomes"
<gil@warpedweb.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Wheels....
Date:
Sun, 17 Oct 1999 17:46:33 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3612.1700
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
I'm sorry if I'm full of questions lately...
but...
I got a decent bonus from work and the money's
burning a hole in my
pocket. I'm looking at buying
a new set of wheels/tires. I've
already decided on
Pirelli P7000 SuperSport tires. Looking at
wheels
has become a chore. I've put together a page to
get your
opinions. I've got it narrowed all the way
down to 10 different wheels.
<urp!>
If you've got a few minutes... give it a
look
and let me know which tires look better on my baby.
Thanx...
http://www.warpedweb.com/3000GT
Select "Which Wheels Should
I buy?" from the
main menu....
Thanx again....
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 17 15:35:19 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id PAA04121
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:35:19 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
spool.webzone.net (mta@mail.webzone.net [205.219.23.67])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id PAA04106
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:35:14 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from benson ([208.137.187.77]) by
spool.webzone.net
(post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-12689) with SMTP id
AAA8862
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Sun, 17 Oct 1999 17:35:12 -0500
Message-ID:
<01c001bf18ea$e0a6b9a0$10c9c9c9@benson>
From: "Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell" <benson@2015.com>
To: "3000GT
Mailing" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Wheels....
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:59:25 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
I think you'll be very satisfied with those Pirelli's, I know I am
with mine
;). Enjoy the traction :).
Latufh fuh
U,
Benson
benson@2015.com
"-Do you ever have second
thoughts?
-When do I ever have first thoughts?"
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 17 15:56:55 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id PAA04761
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:56:55 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id PAA04754
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:56:53 -0700
(PDT)
From: UNCLEDONUT@aol.com
Received: from UNCLEDONUT@aol.com
by
imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id uRBWa29482 (4316)
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 18:56:31 -0400
(EDT)
Message-ID: <0.39389252.253bae1e@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Oct
1999 18:56:30 EDT
Subject: Re: Team3S: Updated site with MAF information,
etc.
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
In a message
dated 10/17/99 5:36:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
robby@freesurf.ch
writes:
> Check out the promised information about the SplitSecond
ARC2-GP MAF
> conversion kit with tunign tetails, datalogs, pics and
more.
>
>
http://www.geocities.com/swisscars/3000gt.html
>
> PS:
GeoCities again made the sites slower but I hope it's not too bad as
I
> tried to optimize the pics.
>
>
Roger
> 93'3000GT TT
Roger,
I was
checking out your website regarding the installation of the
SplitSecond
ARC2-GP MAF. As usual you have done a wonderful job. My only
question with it is about the use of silicone spray to assist sliding the
parts together. I've always thought that allowing silicone into the
intake
system meant instant death to the O2 sensors. I could be
wrong. Has anyone
else heard of this?
-Dave Rich
'91 R/T TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 17 21:23:07 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id VAA10701
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 21:23:07 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
spiro.isd.net (spiro.isd.net [208.153.200.44])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id VAA10694
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 21:23:04 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from isd.net (isd-du-208-238-142-92.isd.net
[208.238.142.92])
by spiro.isd.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id
XAA02162
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 17 Oct 1999
23:25:49 -0500
Message-ID: <380AA089.4C2E20AE@isd.net>
Date: Sun, 17
Oct 1999 23:22:34 -0500
From: Rah <rah@isd.net>
Reply-To:
rah@isd.net
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I)
X-Accept-Language:
en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: "stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Bent
Key
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Hello all, first time poster here,
Not long
ago the lock on the tailgate of my 92 stealth was sticking,
the key wouldn't
turn at all. Some WD-40 did the trick, but I realized
my key was
bent! I then was not happy to notice I could bend it back
with my bare
hands. Well, I went through some steps from there and now
my key won't
open the doors, tailgate, or start the car. I picked this
vehicle up
recently and don't have a spare. I am not happy, especially
how silly
it seems that my key is that maluable. It doesn't even go in
all the
way anymore, but it looks as straight as can be.
Any
ideas?
TIA,
--Rich
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt
Sun Oct 17 21:40:26 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id VAA10965
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 21:40:26 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
Mail.austin.rr.com (sm2.texas.rr.com [24.93.35.55])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id VAA10958
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 21:40:23 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from bradley ([24.28.71.75]) by Mail.austin.rr.com with
Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18);
Sun, 17 Oct 1999 23:33:41 -0500
From:
"Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
To:
<rah@isd.net>, <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Bent Key
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 23:43:43 -0500
Message-ID:
<LNBBICBDKNDOJAHLDNDDIEFPFBAA.bbedell@austin.rr.com>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer:
Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)
Importance:
Normal
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
In-Reply-To: <380AA089.4C2E20AE@isd.net>
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
You should
be able to get a decent "keymaker" to duplicate the key for
you
with no problem.
Brad
-----Original
Message-----
From:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On
Behalf Of Rah
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 1999 11:23 PM
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Bent Key
Hello
all, first time poster here,
Not long ago the lock on the
tailgate of my 92 stealth was sticking,
the key wouldn't turn at all.
Some WD-40 did the trick, but I realized
my key was bent! I then was
not happy to notice I could bend it back
with my bare hands. Well, I
went through some steps from there and now
my key won't open the doors,
tailgate, or start the car. I picked this
vehicle up recently and don't
have a spare. I am not happy, especially
how silly it seems that my key
is that maluable. It doesn't even go in
all the way anymore, but it
looks as straight as can be.
Any ideas?
TIA,
--Rich
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sun Oct 17 23:05:46 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
XAA12210
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 23:05:46 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from out4.prserv.net (out4.prserv.net [165.87.194.239])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id XAA12203
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 23:05:43 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from attglobal.net (slip139-92-8-46.fr.de.prserv.net
[139.92.8.46])
by out4.prserv.net (/) with ESMTP id GAA27856
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 06:05:41
GMT
Message-ID: <380AB59F.925771D6@attglobal.net>
Date: Mon, 18 Oct
1999 07:52:31 +0200
From: Mike Chapleski
<mike.chapleski@attglobal.net>
Reply-To:
mike.chapleski@attglobal.net
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98;
U)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Team3S
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Lug
Nuts
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
I purchased a set of used OZ F1 Racing forged wheels a couple of
months
ago. I did a little research and it appeared that they would fit
the
car with no problems. Other list members have the OZ F1 Plus wheels
and
they fit on a 2nd gen VR4 with no problems. I went to install them
this
weekend and the spokes interfere with the brake calipers. I am not
sure
why a similar wheel will fit on a VR4, but I do know that the
VR4
caliper is slightly different than the RT TT caliper (VR4 caliper
has
mitsubishi cast into the outside) I could return them, I will have
to
pay a lot for shipping and my stock chromeis are pealing REALLY bad.
I
did some measurements and it looks like a 0.2 inch spacer will give
me
enough clearance. Now I know wheel spacers are not recommended
and
dangerous but I am determined to make these wheels fit. I have
access
to a machine shop and I will be making the wheel spacers this
week. I
have already machined a collar to mate the flange on the center
of the
hub to the center hole on the wheel. Therefore I have eliminated
the
shear stress caused by hitting a pothole. However, my lug nuts
are
still sticking out 0.2" more than they should. Which means
there is
more shear stress put on them by wheel torque
during
acceleration/decelleration. The lug nuts still have enough
contact with
the threads so I do not have to worry about that. However,
German roads
are not the best so I would really like to increase my safety
margin a
little. I looked in Jegs and they carry extended hardened lug
bolts but
only in english, not metric sizes. So does anyone know where
I can get
hardened lug bolts that are about 5-8 mm longer than stock.
Also, does
anyone know the size of our lugs. I know they are 12mm, but
how long
are they and what is the diameter of the press-in part? I
can't find
anything in the service manuals.
Thanks,
Mike
C.
0018
'95 Stealth RT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sun Oct 17 23:36:31 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
XAA12661
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 23:36:31 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from spool.webzone.net (mta@mail.webzone.net
[205.219.23.67])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
XAA12647
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 17 Oct 1999
23:36:25 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from benson ([208.137.187.77]) by
spool.webzone.net
(post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-12689) with SMTP id
AAA18832
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Mon, 18 Oct 1999 01:36:23 -0500
Message-ID:
<01ec01bf192d$f306e000$10c9c9c9@benson>
From: "Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell" <benson@2015.com>
To: "3000GT
Mailing" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Bent Key
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 00:59:32 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
I'm not sure, but isn't there something where you can give
mitsubishi yer
VIN and they can get you a key? not sure, I might be
thinking of a
different car part. Else yer going to have to pay a
locksmith to come out
and mold a key for it on the spot :(.
Latufh
fuh U,
Benson
benson@2015.com
"-Do you ever have second
thoughts?
-When do I ever have first thoughts?"
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 18 01:02:30 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id BAA13518
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 01:02:30 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id BAA13511
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 01:02:27 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from RGERL012599 (216.131.135.126) by newmail.spectraweb.ch;
18 Oct 1999 09:58:47 +0200
Message-ID:
<003301bf193f$3b5bcfd0$7e8783d8@RGERL012599_000.peoplesoft.com>
Reply-To:
"R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Updated site with
MAF information, etc.
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:56:38 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3110.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
>My only question with it is about the use of silicone spray to
assist
sliding the
>parts together. I've always thought that allowing
silicone into the intake
>system meant instant death to the O2
sensors. I could be wrong. Has
anyone
>else heard of
this?
Never ever spray any silicone spray into the throttle body or
engine. It is
not heat resistance and may cause bad things. The amount I used
was really
not to mention and also I may used the wrong words but I didn't
used any
silicone spray on a part where it will be sucked in. The BOV in tube
is an
example. The inlet of the Greddy Type S is somewhat larger in dia
than the
stock valve and it is really not easy to put the hose on. Here I
used some
of the spray to be able to slpi it on. For the MAF, it is
absolutely no
problem as it fits perefctly. But the car may be not young and
the oval MAS
has been on it for years. I used the silicone on the outside to
make the
rubber part smoother to change the shape from oval to round (it also
cleaned
the rubber too). Null problemo as it was a 2 minutes job on my 6 year
old
car :)
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Mon Oct 18 06:35:33 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
GAA16654
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 06:35:33 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail.rdc1.az.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.az.home.com
[24.1.240.66])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
GAA16647
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999
06:35:30 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from cx85612a ([24.1.193.136]) by
mail.rdc1.az.home.com
(InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with
SMTP
id
<19991018133529.YKUK1726.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@cx85612a>
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Mon, 18 Oct 1999 06:35:29 -0700
Reply-To: <beking@home.com>
From:
"Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
To: "Team3S"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Updated site with
MAF information, etc.
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 06:36:31 -0700
Message-ID:
<001401bf196d$c9a310e0$88c10118@home.com>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer:
Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft
MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300
Importance: Normal
In-Reply-To:
<003301bf193f$3b5bcfd0$7e8783d8@RGERL012599_000.peoplesoft.com>
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I would not
recommend spraying anything on the rubber unless it is designed
specifically
for rubber, just in case.
You definitely do not want to risk it on the
mating surface. The propellant
and even the actual lubricant may
contain oxidants which may cause unseen
damage and shorten the life of the
rubber. This of course depends upon the
nature of the lubricant spray,
but it is much better to play it safe, IMO.
An equally effective
alternative which should be assured safe is to use mild
liquid dish soap
diluted in water. This is the technique recommended
by
"experts". You only need a very small amount, just enough
to coat the
surface of that portion of the inlet which mates to the
MAF.
Silicone will take a long time to dissipate, which of course is
not
desirable. You do not want lubricant on the mating surfaces
here. The
water/soap mixture will evaporate quickly once heat is
applied and (if
properly diluted) will leave only a small harmless
residual.
When I did my 83mm conversion I used a small amount of
water/soap mixture
only on the very edge of the inlet "lip" to get
it started. Once it got
going it formed well on the MAF. Now it
goes on much easier as it remembers
the shape of the new (round)
MAF.
Barry
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
>My only question with it is about the use of silicone spray to
assist
> sliding the
> >parts together. I've always thought that
allowing silicone into
> the intake
> >system meant instant death
to the O2 sensors. I could be wrong. Has
> anyone
>
>else heard of this?
>
> Never ever spray any silicone spray into
the throttle body or
> engine. It is
> not heat resistance and may
cause bad things. The amount I used was really
> not to mention and also I
may used the wrong words but I didn't used any
> silicone spray on a part
where it will be sucked in. The BOV in tube is an
> example. The inlet of
the Greddy Type S is somewhat larger in
> dia than the
> stock
valve and it is really not easy to put the hose on. Here I used some
> of
the spray to be able to slpi it on. For the MAF, it is absolutely no
>
problem as it fits perefctly. But the car may be not young and
> the oval
MAS
> has been on it for years. I used the silicone on the outside to make
the
> rubber part smoother to change the shape from oval to round
(it
> also cleaned
> the rubber too). Null problemo as it was a 2
minutes job on my 6 year old
> car :)
>
> Roger
>
93'3000GT TT
>
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 18 07:09:30 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id HAA16987
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 07:09:30 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
dvn.com (devons2.dvn.com [206.41.136.98])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id HAA16980
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 07:09:27 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from DVNGATE-Message_Server by dvn.com
with
Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:06:34 -0500
Message-Id:
<s80ae31a.048@dvn.com>
X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5
Date: Mon, 18
Oct 1999 09:06:25 -0500
From: "Ryan Floyd"
<FloydR@dvn.com>
To:
"<\"Team3S\""<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Over Boost???
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=US-ASCII
Content-Disposition: inline
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
8bit
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.sirius.com
id HAA16981
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Quick question. I got my boost gauge installed... and on stock
it looks like I was at peak boost at 8psi, but it would spike to 11
occasionally... Now then, I put in a bleeder valve (yeah I know it can be
dangerous, but I am just having a little fun til the dough comes in for a BC)
and I am doing the same thing, peak around 12psi, and spikes to 16. Why is
that spike there, and also, I am not getting any fuel cut, or knocks that I can
tell, I have K&N, Accel wires, and those crappy Rapidfires (that I am
changing soon) Gapped to .034 that is it. So also I ask, should I set it
to 14 psi peak (where it holds for at least a second or two) or 14 psi
spike? I don't wanna have so much fun my engine blows, and also, my
mileage has gone up to about 18-20... I still have no idea why... any help
would... help. Thanks
guys
Ryan
MCSE/ASE
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 18 07:36:02 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id HAA17509
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 07:36:02 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
largo.eecs.tufts.edu (Largo-New.EECS.Tufts.EDU [130.64.24.99] (may be
forged))
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
HAA17498
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999
07:35:55 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from andante.eecs.tufts.edu (andante
[130.64.24.24])
by largo.eecs.tufts.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id
KAA15337
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999
10:35:27 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from localhost (mbaldwin@localhost)
by
andante.eecs.tufts.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA08262
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:35:49 -0400
(EDT)
X-Authentication-Warning: andante.eecs.tufts.edu: mbaldwin owned
process doing -bs
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:35:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mike
Baldwin <mbaldwin@eecs.tufts.edu>
X-Sender: mbaldwin@andante
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Burning smell from
car?
In-Reply-To:
<199910121636.JAA22941@list.sirius.com>
Message-ID:
<Pine.GSO.4.05.9910181032580.7708-100000@andante>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I've noticed a
strange burning smell coming from my car. I've been told it
smells like
plastic or rubber burning.
I notice it mainly when exiting the car and
it seems to be most noticeable
when I'm standing beside the car, although my
girlfriend said that she
smeleld it through the vent when I popped my
hood.
Recently added soem coolant to teh car (my mechanic did) symptoms
appeared
abouta week later (too much coolant??).. Oil change due in
about 500
miles (@ 2500 miles now on Mobil 1 synthetic & filter).. been
running the
heater some..
Any ideas what the problem could
be?
Thanks
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 18 07:39:09 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id HAA17582
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 07:39:09 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id HAA17575
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 07:39:05 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from RGERL012599 (216.131.135.126) by newmail.spectraweb.ch;
18 Oct 1999 16:35:22 +0200
Message-ID:
<005401bf1976$a05a6fe0$7e8783d8@RGERL012599_000.peoplesoft.com>
Reply-To:
"R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "<\"Team3S\""
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Over
Boost???
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:39:35 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3110.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
The stock system consists of the boost solenoid valve that is
alternated and
fully closes above a specific boost. But this boost is only
calculated and
not measured. This results in a slow acting system and causes
the overboost
situation. Also it highly depends on the meter how good and
fast it reads.
The peak situations "can" be dangerous but
usually the peak do not appear at
the dangerous point. Say shifting at 7000
the rpms going down to 5200 and
the peak is shortly at 16psi and falls off to
12 isn't a problem. With the
bleeder valve only you will enhance the
problematic of the system as the
responsiveness of it will be slower. You'll
also see some overboost with an
EBC but you can control this with the
settings then.
> crappy Rapidfires (that I am changing soon) Gapped to
.034 that is it. So
also I ask, should I set it to 14 psi peak (where
it holds for at least a
second or two) or 14 psi spike? I don't wanna
have so much fun my engine
blows, and also, my mileage has gone up to about
18-20... I still have no
idea why... any help would... help. Thanks
guys
A short "visual" peak to 16 is no problem as holding boost
at 14.7 is no
problem too. If you would experience fuel cut at this level
your engine
would not be healthy at all. Fuel cut is initiated by too much
knock, too
high calculated boost and ultra-wide open injectors for a longer
period.
For the mileage, try to compare the steady reading of the stock
boost gauge
and the aftermarket one. You'll probably notice that the stock
one reads
about 1 psi or whatever too high. This is because the ECU thinks it
is at a
specific level due to the barometric sensor and the mass air. Now
this is
not really appropriate and changes with the ambient. Therefore,
you're car
may run even richer as supposed and resetting the ECU and
initiating the
relearn would help. Just unplug your battery for about 15
seconds (the
readings are cleared after that time) or up to 10 minutes for
the sceptics.
Then drive the car around with different load for about 10
minutes and after
some miles your done. This may increase your milage to
22-24.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Mon Oct 18 07:58:42 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
HAA18064
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 07:58:42 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from sunny.bahnhof.se (sunny.bahnhof.se [193.44.91.1])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id HAA18057
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 07:58:39 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mikaela ([193.15.159.1])
by sunny.bahnhof.se
(8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA03614;
Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:58:34 +0200 (MET
DST)
Message-ID:
<02d901bf1979$9d213680$e20aa8c0@internal.corechange.se>
From:
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?= <vr4@bahnhof.se>
To: "Mike
Baldwin" <mbaldwin@eecs.tufts.edu>,
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<Pine.GSO.4.05.9910181032580.7708-100000@andante>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Burning smell from car?
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:01:09
+0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211
X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2014.211
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Hi
Do you have a TT?
If so, check for cracks in the
transfercase. It's positioned close to the
downpipe so when it starts to
leak, oil "splashes" over the hot downpipe and
creates a nice
smell. This was how I discovered my first cracked
transfercase.
Mikael
Akesson
http://www.3000gt.nu
----- Original Message -----
From:
Mike Baldwin <mbaldwin@eecs.tufts.edu>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 4:35
PM
Subject: Team3S: Burning smell from car?
I've noticed a strange
burning smell coming from my car. I've been told it
smells like plastic or
rubber burning.
I notice it mainly when exiting the car and it seems to
be most noticeable
when I'm standing beside the car, although my girlfriend
said that she
smeleld it through the vent when I popped my
hood.
Recently added soem coolant to teh car (my mechanic did) symptoms
appeared
abouta week later (too much coolant??).. Oil change due in
about 500
miles (@ 2500 miles now on Mobil 1 synthetic & filter).. been
running the
heater some..
Any ideas what the problem could
be?
Thanks
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Mon Oct 18 08:47:02 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
IAA19023
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:47:02 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from largo.eecs.tufts.edu (Largo-New.EECS.Tufts.EDU
[130.64.24.99] (may be forged))
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo)
with ESMTP id IAA18997
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18
Oct 1999 08:46:58 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from andante.eecs.tufts.edu (andante
[130.64.24.24])
by largo.eecs.tufts.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id
LAA18100;
Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:46:29 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from localhost
(mbaldwin@localhost)
by andante.eecs.tufts.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id
LAA11942;
Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:46:50 -0400 (EDT)
X-Authentication-Warning:
andante.eecs.tufts.edu: mbaldwin owned process doing -bs
Date: Mon, 18 Oct
1999 11:46:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mike Baldwin
<mbaldwin@eecs.tufts.edu>
X-Sender: mbaldwin@andante
To:
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?= <vr4@bahnhof.se>
cc:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Burning smell from
car?
In-Reply-To:
<02d901bf1979$9d213680$e20aa8c0@internal.corechange.se>
Message-ID:
<Pine.GSO.4.05.9910181146050.11910-100000@andante>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
8bit
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by list.sirius.com
id IAA19003
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Yep, I've got a VR4. How can I ID the transfercase? Is this
something that
is covered under warranty? Should I just go down to the
dealership and
tell them the transfercase might be
cracked?
Thanks
On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, [iso-8859-1] Mikael
Åkesson wrote:
> Hi
>
> Do you have a TT?
>
> If so, check for cracks in the transfercase. It's positioned close to
the
> downpipe so when it starts to leak, oil "splashes" over
the hot downpipe and
> creates a nice smell. This was how I discovered my
first cracked
> transfercase.
>
> Mikael Akesson
>
> http://www.3000gt.nu
>
> ----- Original Message
-----
> From: Mike Baldwin <mbaldwin@eecs.tufts.edu>
> To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999
4:35 PM
> Subject: Team3S: Burning smell from car?
>
>
> I've noticed a strange burning smell coming from my car. I've been told
it
> smells like plastic or rubber burning.
>
> I notice it
mainly when exiting the car and it seems to be most noticeable
> when I'm
standing beside the car, although my girlfriend said that she
> smeleld it
through the vent when I popped my hood.
>
> Recently added soem
coolant to teh car (my mechanic did) symptoms appeared
> abouta week
later (too much coolant??).. Oil change due in about 500
> miles (@ 2500
miles now on Mobil 1 synthetic & filter).. been running the
> heater
some..
>
> Any ideas what the problem could be?
>
>
Thanks
>
>
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
>
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 18 08:53:50 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id IAA19134
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:53:50 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET (cedar-rapids.net [206.24.60.1])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id IAA19124
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:53:47 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from c440759-a.cdrrpd1.ia.home.com ([24.10.221.131]) by
CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET
with SMTP (IPAD 2.5/64) id 7038500 ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999
10:50:18 -0500
Message-Id:
<3.0.5.32.19991018104817.008c0820@cedar-rapids.net>
X-Sender:
merritt@cedar-rapids.net
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5
(32)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:48:17 -0500
To: "Gil Gomes"
<gil@warpedweb.com>, <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
From:
Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Wheels....
In-Reply-To:
<003301bf18e9$15211740$140100b6@monster>
Mime-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I'm
looking at buying
>a new set of wheels/tires. I've already decided
on
>Pirelli P7000 SuperSport tires. Looking at
wheels
>has become a chore. I've put together a page to
>get
your opinions. I've got it narrowed all the way
>down to 10
different wheels. <urp!>
The choice may depend on what you do with
your car. If you road race, your
choice is SEVERELY limited to stock rims or
very expensive, strong wheels.
Our cars develop extremely high cornering
loads, and you don't want a
pretty but weak wheel for racing. If you
are just boulevard cruising or
touring, I guess you can put anything on
there.
Rich/old poop
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 18 08:54:20 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id IAA19230
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:54:20 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
hotmail.com (law2-f125.hotmail.com [216.32.181.125])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id IAA19207
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:54:12 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (qmail 15561 invoked by uid 0); 18 Oct 1999 15:53:49
-0000
Message-ID: <19991018155349.15560.qmail@hotmail.com>
Received:
from 199.46.198.230 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP;
Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:53:49
PDT
X-Originating-IP: [199.46.198.230]
From: "Dg B"
<dbretton@hotmail.com>
To: Dskull@aol.com,
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Parts Left for Sale -
David Skultety
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:53:49 EDT
Mime-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Sorry about the
post to the list
>Do NOT reply to the list, E-mail me directly at
dskull@aol.com
<snip>
e a set of Goodyear Eagle 245/45/17 tires with
approx. 1/2 tread
>left. You get the whole package for 450.00 plus
shipping.
Dave, I have sent numerous emails to you, all without a
reply.
I am interested in some of your wares, so please reply:
dbretton@hotmail.com
Thank you for your
time.
Regards,
Dennis
______________________________________________________
Get Your
Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Mon Oct 18 09:30:06 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
JAA19976
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:30:06 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from j-sux103.jci.com (j-sux103.jci.com
[192.132.24.98])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
JAA19969
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999
09:30:00 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from jsux04.corp.jci.com (mhub
[159.222.38.28])
by j-sux103.jci.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id
LAA40032
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999
11:31:44 -0500
Received: from jci.com (root@localhost)
by
jsux04.corp.jci.com (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA40128
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:30:34
GMT
Received: by jsux04.corp.jci.com ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:28:43
-0500
Content-Identifier: My Baby's Sick - Misfiring
Hop-Count: 1
Date:
Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:26 -0500
From: Jeff A Williamson
<Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.com>
Subject: Team3S: My Baby's Sick -
Misfiring
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Message-ID:
<2139113@jsux04.corp.jci.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
My '92 VR4 was
running fine before I changed the oil. I changed over to
synthetic oil,
flushing the motor first. It cranked up and ran fine. I drove it
for about
10 minutes and stopped. After the engine cooled down a bit, I decided
to
clean it using a degreaser and water. I followed the procedures correctly
(warm not hot engine, covered air filters and BOV). After I cranked it back
up,
the engine was running rough. I drove it into the garage and let it sit
overnight, thinking that water had gotten someplace it shouldn't and would
dry
out. The next morning. It was still running rough. It wasn't a steady
missfire,
but would misfire under slight acceleration, and would
pull-and-jerk-and-pop
under heavy acceleration (like it does if your boost
is set too high and it's
starving for fuel). After driving like this for
about 5 minutes, it tried to
smooth out, as the engine quit misfiring under
normal load, but would still
pull-jerk-pop under heavy acceleration. I drove
it another 20 minutes, stopped
for an hour, and when I started it back up,
it began misfiring almost
continuously. I put a bottle of injector cleaner
in the gas, drove for about 10
minutes, let it sit overnight, and when I
fired it up the next morning, it ran
smooth for about 2 minutes, then
misfires continuously. Under heavy
acceleration, it still pulls-jerks-pops
like before.
The engine has 109K miles, but I've recently replaced the
plugs and wires,
Y-pipe, and some vacuum hoses, so hopefully I can rule out
the usual suspects.
I've never taken out or cleaned the injectors, but have
occasionally run a
cleaner in the gas. Maybe it's coincindental, but I have
to believe that
whatever caused this has something to do with cleaning the
engine with water,
as it ran fine before. Anybody else had this problem? Got
any ideas?
Jeff Williamson
Belleville, MI
'92 VR4
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 18 10:34:01 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id KAA21166
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:34:01 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
sunny.bahnhof.se (sunny.bahnhof.se [193.44.91.1])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id KAA21159
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:33:54 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mikaela ([193.15.159.1])
by sunny.bahnhof.se
(8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA06429;
Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:33:39 +0200 (MET
DST)
Message-ID: <000a01bf198f$4a13e9e0$e20aa8c0@mikaela>
From:
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?= <vr4@bahnhof.se>
To: "Mike
Baldwin" <mbaldwin@eecs.tufts.edu>
Cc:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<Pine.GSO.4.05.9910181146050.11910-100000@andante>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Burning smell from car?
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:36:17
+0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
8bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211
X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2014.211
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Hi
The transfercase is located between the gearbox and the
driveshaft. You will
see it when you look under the car, it look like a big
"SF Gun" from Men in
black :) it has a big GETRAG printed on it.
Visit my homepage
http://www.3000gt.nu and click on "getrag" in the
menu and there you will
find several pics of what it looks like. If you find
any oil on it, DON'T
drive the car or atleast be very carefull.
Hope
it helps (and hope it's not the transfercase that causes that
smell)
Mikael
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Baldwin
<mbaldwin@eecs.tufts.edu>
To: Mikael Åkesson
<vr4@bahnhof.se>
Cc: <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Sent:
Monday, October 18, 1999 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Burning smell from
car?
Yep, I've got a VR4. How can I ID the transfercase? Is this
something that
is covered under warranty? Should I just go down to the
dealership and
tell them the transfercase might be
cracked?
Thanks
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt
Mon Oct 18 10:36:05 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id KAA21295
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:36:05 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
exchange1.bigcharts.com (exchange1.BigCharts.com [206.146.143.5])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id KAA21288
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:36:02 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id
<VDH4PW4W>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:40:18 -0500
Message-ID:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F761A@EXCHANGE1>
From: Matt Jannusch
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE:
Team3S: My Baby's Sick - Misfiring
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:40:18
-0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="windows-1252"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> I decided
to clean it using a degreaser and water. I followed
> the procedures
correctly (warm not hot engine, covered air
> filters and BOV). After I
cranked it back up,
> the engine was running rough.
Other things
to cover:
Coil packs
Throttle Position Sensor
Cam Angle Sensor (if
these cars have one, I don't know)
You probably also want to avoid
getting the area under the intake plenum wet, as that is where the knock sensor
is located.
Sounds like maybe some moisture got under the plug wires on
the coil packs. That would cause them to short to the block under
load. Pull the caps off and let them dry for a while and try again.
Label them so you know which one goes where.
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder
VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 18 11:51:27 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id LAA23350
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:51:27 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
apollo.gat.com (apollo.gat.com [192.5.166.20])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id LAA23343
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:51:24 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from gat.com (middaugh@d3dtsa.gat.com
[192.150.242.240])
by apollo.gat.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id
LAA13393;
Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:51:06 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
<380B6C1E.1DC5C62B@gat.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:51:11
-0700
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Organization:
General Atomics - Fusion Group
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; HP-UX
B.10.20 9000/730)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To:
robby@swissonline.ch
CC: Team3S
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Injector duty
& new Apexi AVC-R
References:
<002001bef453$a239ea40$418a83d8@RGERL012599_000.peoplesoft.com>
<37CD651A.A4BD36A8@gat.com>
<38086138.7D107913@swissonline.ch>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hi
Roger,
"R.G." wrote:
>
> I just got the boost
controller for one of my customers and I runned into a
> simple and maybe
stupid question :
>
> > There is also a mode where you can
display a graph with one of the above
> > parameters on the Y axis
against RPM on the X axis. In this mode, you can
> > select 1
point, 10 point (it looks like a snake moving around the graph), or
> >
ghost trace where all points remain illuminated until reset. You can also do
a
> > manual hold, but I'm not sure if the peak hold works on this
display. It was
> > with this graph in ghost trace that I could
determine the RPM where my IDC
> > usually hit 100%.
Them thar
is my words ;), I can't remember who I sent them to though.
>
>
This made me thinking as you can only attach to the RPM OR the INJECTOR wire
at
> once to the ECU.
Why Apexi didn't provide one more wire so
you can have both RPM and IDC
connected I'll never know. Maybe they
will in the future.
I originally connected to the IDC wire. Now I
have a switch installed. I
normally leave it selected so I connect to
the RPM wire, but I can select the
IDC whenever I choose. I highly
recommend doing this!
> So if the IDC is attched how does the unit
know the RPM ???
Good question, I don't know. My best guess is
that it monitors the injector
pulse frequency and divides by 6 (also when
connected to the IDC wire, you have
to set your engine type to 1 cylinder
instead of 6 cylinder).
> I
> was walking up and down the
manual and often found the note or warning about
> whatever is connected.
For sure, the most interesting diaplys would be boost
> against rpm and
IDC against RPM. The first is no problem but what if the sensor
> line is
connected to the injector wire ? The manual says that the self learning
>
mode as well as gear learning is not workign well when IDC is connected
isntead
> of RPM. What are your experiences here ?
DISPLAY:
When
the injectors max out to 100%, the IDC to RPM conversion algorithm fails.
Any graph display with RPM on the X axis shows points in random places until
IDC
falls below 100%. Any RPM display shows bogus
values.
LEARNING:
The Apexi allows you to specify different boost
values at eight selectable RPM
bands. Normally the Apexi LEARNS the
correct boost solenoid duty value for each
RPM band. However duty
settings are not learned/updated correctly above the RPM
(about 4400RPM or
so) where IDC maxes out.
Definitely install the new-blue Apexi SAVC-R to
the RPM wire. If you will want
to monitor the IDC, then install a
simple toggle switch to allow selection
between the RPM and IDC
wire.
Good luck,
Ken
--
Drive faster, it is later than you
think!
Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 18 13:05:24 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id NAA25434
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:05:24 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
pas.rochester.edu (qmailr@alfalfa.pas.rochester.edu [128.151.144.13])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id NAA25427
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:05:08 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (qmail 8142 invoked by uid 562); 18 Oct 1999 20:03:22
-0000
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:03:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Burke
<burke@pas.rochester.edu>
To: "Benson \"elmagoo\"
Russell" <benson@2015.com>
cc: 3000GT Mailing
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Bent
Key
In-Reply-To: <01ec01bf192d$f306e000$10c9c9c9@benson>
Message-ID:
<Pine.LNX.4.20.9910181602330.23759-100000@alfalfa.pas.rochester.edu>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> I'm not
sure, but isn't there something where you can give mitsubishi yer
> VIN
and they can get you a key? not sure, I might be thinking of a
>
different car part. Else yer going to have to pay a locksmith to come
out
> and mold a key for it on the spot :(.
yes, you can do this...
I went to get a new key and all you need is your
VIN... and I belive you need
to have the title with you for obvious
reasons...
they have a really
cool tool to do it, too...
andy
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Mon Oct 18 13:11:05 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
NAA25590
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:11:05 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from spiro.isd.net (spiro.isd.net [208.153.200.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id NAA25581
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:11:00 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from isd.net (isd-du-208-238-142-92.isd.net
[208.238.142.92])
by spiro.isd.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id
PAA05044
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999
15:14:36 -0500
Message-ID: <380B7EBE.1D3E696F@isd.net>
Date: Mon, 18
Oct 1999 15:10:38 -0500
From: Rah <rah@isd.net>
Reply-To:
rah@isd.net
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I)
X-Accept-Language:
en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: 3000GT Mailing
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Bent
Key
References:
<01ec01bf192d$f306e000$10c9c9c9@benson>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Thanks all, I
went to the mitsubishi dealer and they were able to make a new key on
the
spot using the numbers engraved on the side of the key for
$4.
Thanks for your help,
--Rich
Benson \"elmagoo\"
Russell wrote:
> I'm not sure, but isn't there something where you can
give mitsubishi yer
> VIN and they can get you a key? not sure, I
might be thinking of a
> different car part. Else yer going to have
to pay a locksmith to come out
> and mold a key for it on the spot
:(.
>
> Latufh fuh U,
> Benson
>
benson@2015.com
>
> "-Do you ever have second thoughts?
>
-When do I ever have first thoughts?"
>
> For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Mon Oct 18 13:50:06 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
NAA26408
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:50:06 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET (cedar-rapids.net [206.24.60.1])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id NAA26395
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:49:52 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from c440759-a.cdrrpd1.ia.home.com ([24.10.221.131]) by
CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET
with SMTP (IPAD 2.5/64) id 7173600 ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999
15:46:10 -0500
Message-Id:
<3.0.5.32.19991018154410.0089b420@cedar-rapids.net>
X-Sender:
merritt@cedar-rapids.net
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5
(32)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:44:10 -0500
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
From: Merritt
<merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Road America Track
Report
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
There's good
news and bad news.
The good news: Road America was designed for
VR4s. The ultra long
straights let the turbos sing, so almost no
street-driven car can keep up
with a stock VR4 (except one car, a souped-up
Supra. See below). In my
stock VR4, I was able to pass BMW M3s, Z3 sedans,
and all the lesser BMW
versions (318, 540i, an older M6, etc.); Porsche
911s including Carreras
and turbos, Porsche 944s including turbos; and -- as
far as I can tell --
every car in my class, save one (the Supra). No
one else passed me all
weekend. The VR4 rules! (There were no Vipers or
twin-turbo AWD Porsches
in my group). All drivers were considered
Intermediates, meaning we had
some track or school experience, and required
instructors.
The bad news: Braking at the end of ultra long
straights causes tremendous
wear on the pads. I'm running Porterfield rotors,
Porterfield R4 pads front
and rear, air ducts to the front, and water
injection to the center of the
rotors (not the rotor surface). Still, I wore
down a set of front R4 pads
in three 25 minute track sessions. The only
good news in all this is that
the brakes WILL stop the car, and they do not
fade. They just wear out.
A lap of Road America in a stock VR4 with
Yokohama 032R tires:
(From memory, because my track map
disappeared)
First of all, RA is mostly a lot of early apex turns,
different from most
tracks. It's a lot of: Go very fast, brake, turn in very
early under power,
clip the apex at full power, and drift to the outside.
Then full power down
another long straight to the next corner. I can't
remember a single late
apex turn (maybe 8, see below, because I never got it
right). My instructor
didn't use such terms anyway -- it was "turn in
here, get on the power
NOW," or "brake, Brake, BRAKE,
BRAKE!!!." My favorite was, "If you do that
again, you'll total
this car!" (I was doing something bad in the Kink, see
below) He got my
attention. Although he completely disagreed with the Skip
Barber school
instructors who were giving the chalk sessions, he certainly
knew the fast
way around, because he took me for a ride in his
race-prepared 944.
But I digress. Here's a lap of Road America in a VR4:
Long uphill
from turn 14 to the start-finish line at 100. Continue
accelerating uphill,
hitting about 120 before braking for turn 1.
Turn 1 is a long sweeping right,
taken in third gear at about 70-75.
Accelerate out, then flat through
2 (a corner in name only) up to about
100, brake, then into a sweeping
right at 3 onto the back straight at about
70-80. Speed through 3 is
critical, because it leads to a one-mile straight.
Turn 4, in the middle
of the straight, is taken flat at about 100 (another
non corner), then it's
downhill through the woods to turn 5 at about 130.
Turn 5 is the brake
killer: it's a downhill, 90-deg left that tightens, so
you gotta go all the
way from 130 down to 2nd gear at about 45 mph. I wore
down my rightside pads
first on this turn because of the tremendous heavy
braking. Power through 5
in 2nd, then up the hill to 6, a sharp left after
a bridge. Brake before
going under the bridge, then turn left into 6 after
the bridge.
7 is a
sweeping right. Stab the brakes slightly to transfer weight, turn in
way
before the corner (very early apex), then power on through the apex and
down
the hill at about 105 to turn 8, the toughest turn (for me). It's a
downhill
sharp left, a little off camber, and I never did get the braking
and turn-in
quite right for two days.
Turn 8 is the carousel. This is a fairly easy,
constant radius turn to the
right taken three ft off the inside curb in 3rd
gear at about 65. My son
also took his Fiero through here at 65. At the end,
pinch tighter to the
curb, feed in the power, drift left and accelerate up
about 105-110 before
the infamous Kink.
(without my map, I lose track
of corner numbers, so bear with me)
To take the Kink, tap the brakes at the
entry, feed in gas smoothly, turn
in to the right about 50 yards before the
apex and clip the apex in 4th
gear, at about 95. Then feed more and more
power, clip the exit, move to
the right a little, turn in to the left
by turning the wheel about 1/8 turn
to the left, and just hold it there. From
here, it's a constant-radius
series of turns taken flat out, foot to the
floor, turbos pulling like
crazy in 4th from 110 mph up to gawdonlyknows how
fast, and it's the
fastest part of the track. In all my track experiences so
far, going from
the Kink to Canada Corner is the most exciting thing I've
ever done. It's
also mesmerizing -- you get so enthralled with the experience
of going so
fast, the car in its element, doing exactly what those
Japanese design
engineers intended, that it's hypnotic -- omigawd, I'm in a
corner at well
over 100 mph and the car is still accelerating! Let this
feeling go on
forever! -- problem is, you tend to forget that Canada Corner
is coming up
and OSHIT I GOTTASTOPTHISSUCKER!!! Whew! Luckily,
the R4s do work, and
they do stop the car, although it gets exciting if you
wait too long and
the instructor yells a lot (see above).
My son in
his Fiero could also go flat from the entry of the Kink to Canada
Corner, and
he was hitting about 105 when he reached his braking point.
Canada
Corner is a sweeping right. Brake, hit the apex under full power in
3rd gear,
drift left to the exit and bring it back to the right for a
medium left under
a bridge. My instructor would have me stab the brakes to
transfer weight,
then full power back on, clip the apex on the left and let
it drift wide to
the right then straighten up and flat to the braking point
for corner
14.
My son was flat in his Fiero from Canada Corner to 14; I was flat in
3rd
most of the way, but I had to stab the brakes before the bridge because
I
was carrying too much speed. We both arrived at 14 doing about 100
mph.
(Judging by his descriptions of speeds and corners, his automatic V6
Fiero
sticks like glue and stops extremely well, so on his very first
driving
event, he was keeping up with other novices in M3s and other cars
through
the turns. They ate him up on the straights, of course.).
Turn
14 is a hard right onto the front straight at about 60, in 3rd. From
there,
it's just a highway cruise up the long hill all the way to turn 1.
I
never achieved ALL of the above in a single lap -- by the time I learned
the
perfect lines, I was into save-the-brakes mode big time, and was no
longer
attempting to stop the car from speeds over 100. Instead, I would
lift long
before the corner, so that I entered the braking zone at 100. (If
I was
running for lap times, I would attempt to run a lap the way I
described
above.) Instead, I would just use the straights to pass lesser
cars, like M3s
and 911s, at speeds of 110-120, get in front, and then lift
to coast back
down to 100. They'd close up under braking, mad as hornets,
but then I'd run
away from them.
About the Supra:
Having never been passed by a car
quite so fast before, I had to find out
what he had. I could see him coming
in my mirrors like a blue freight
train, gobbling me up by 10-20 car lengths
on each straight. He went by me
like a rocket ship. He said he was
running two bars of boost (28psi!!),
and had installed lots of goodies such
as downpipes, injectors, chips and
whatnot, was making 400+ hp, and
weighed 3450 lb. Made me feel a little
better.
NEXT: ADVENTURES IN
BRAKING IV
.
Rich/old poop/94 VR4/somebody stop
me!
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 18 13:57:31 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id NAA26596
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:57:31 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail1.tor.accglobal.net (mail1.tor.accglobal.net [204.92.55.105])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id NAA26589
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:57:24 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from ppp-233.m2-6.tor.ican.net ([142.154.21.233]
helo=default)
by mail1.tor.accglobal.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1)
id
11dJqK-0006cY-01
for stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com; Mon, 18 Oct 1999
16:57:21 -0400
Message-ID:
<002601bf16ed$bbe6f980$e9159a8e@default>
From: "nketo"
<nketo@accglobal.net>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: My Baby's Sick -
Misfiring
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 02:14:45 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3110.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Hi Jeff,
I had a similar problem with my car last year.
It
turned up to be fouled up plugs, even though they were less than 1
year
old.
I guess certain conditions can cause them to go
south.
Try removing all 3 front ones. If you have black smot all around
the tips,
you're
running rich and have probably fouled up your
plugs.
It's a long shot, but it may work.
Best of
luck
-Noble
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff A
Williamson <Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.com>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date:
Monday, October 18, 1999 9:31 AM
Subject: Team3S: My Baby's Sick -
Misfiring
>My '92 VR4 was running fine before I changed the oil. I
changed over to
>synthetic oil, flushing the motor first. It cranked up
and ran fine. I
drove it
>for about 10 minutes and stopped. After the
engine cooled down a bit, I
decided
>to clean it using a degreaser and
water. I followed the procedures
correctly
>(warm not hot engine,
covered air filters and BOV). After I cranked it back
up,
>the engine
was running rough. I drove it into the garage and let it sit
>overnight,
thinking that water had gotten someplace it shouldn't and
would
dry
>out. The next morning. It was still running rough. It wasn't
a steady
missfire,
>but would misfire under slight acceleration, and
would
pull-and-jerk-and-pop
>under heavy acceleration (like it does if
your boost is set too high and
it's
>starving for fuel). After driving
like this for about 5 minutes, it tried
to
>smooth out, as the engine
quit misfiring under normal load, but would still
>pull-jerk-pop under
heavy acceleration. I drove it another 20 minutes,
stopped
>for an
hour, and when I started it back up, it began misfiring
almost
>continuously. I put a bottle of injector cleaner in the gas, drove
for
about 10
>minutes, let it sit overnight, and when I fired it up the
next morning, it
ran
>smooth for about 2 minutes, then misfires
continuously. Under heavy
>acceleration, it still pulls-jerks-pops like
before.
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 18 14:04:13 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id OAA26727
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:04:13 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.casham.com ([205.183.158.13])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo)
with ESMTP id OAA26720
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18
Oct 1999 14:04:10 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by MAIL with Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2232.9)
id <V1VXYDKJ>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:08:51
-0500
Message-ID:
<30C462FFDD5CD311A34400805FF924CF2F8FCC@MAIL>
From: "Landis,
Michael" <MLandis@casham.com>
To: Merritt
<merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Cc:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Road America Track
Report
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:08:50 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hi Rich - Found
a pic of your track here: http://www.ompusa.com/grm/ra.htm
Looks (and
sounds) like way too much fun for my fainting heart...
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Merritt [SMTP:merritt@cedar-rapids.net]
> Sent:
Monday, October 18, 1999 3:44 PM
> To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Subject: Team3S: Road America Track
Report
>
> There's good news and bad news.
>
> The
good news: Road America was designed for VR4s. The ultra long
>
straights let the turbos sing, so almost no street-driven car can keep
up
> with a stock VR4 (except one car, a souped-up Supra. See below). In
my
> stock VR4, I was able to pass BMW M3s, Z3 sedans, and all the lesser
BMW
> versions (318, 540i, an older M6, etc.); Porsche 911s
including Carreras
> and turbos, Porsche 944s including turbos; and -- as
far as I can tell --
> every car in my class, save one (the Supra).
No one else passed me all
> weekend. The VR4 rules! (There were no
Vipers or twin-turbo AWD Porsches
> in my group). All drivers were
considered Intermediates, meaning we had
> some track or school
experience, and required instructors.
>
> The bad news:
Braking at the end of ultra long straights causes
> tremendous
>
wear on the pads. I'm running Porterfield rotors, Porterfield R4 pads
>
front
> and rear, air ducts to the front, and water injection to the
center of the
> rotors (not the rotor surface). Still, I wore down a set
of front R4 pads
> in three 25 minute track sessions. The only good
news in all this is that
> the brakes WILL stop the car, and they do not
fade. They just wear out.
>
> A lap of Road America in a stock VR4
with Yokohama 032R tires:
> (From memory, because my track map
disappeared)
>
> First of all, RA is mostly a lot of early apex
turns, different from most
> tracks. It's a lot of: Go very fast, brake,
turn in very early under
> power,
> clip the apex at full power, and
drift to the outside. Then full power
> down
> another long straight
to the next corner. I can't remember a single late
> apex turn (maybe 8,
see below, because I never got it right). My
> instructor
> didn't
use such terms anyway -- it was "turn in here, get on the power
>
NOW," or "brake, Brake, BRAKE, BRAKE!!!." My favorite was,
"If you do that
> again, you'll total this car!" (I was doing
something bad in the Kink, see
> below) He got my attention.
Although he completely disagreed with the
> Skip
> Barber school
instructors who were giving the chalk sessions, he certainly
> knew the
fast way around, because he took me for a ride in his
> race-prepared 944.
>
> But I digress. Here's a lap of Road America in a VR4:
>
> Long uphill from turn 14 to the start-finish line at 100.
Continue
> accelerating uphill, hitting about 120 before braking for turn
1.
> Turn 1 is a long sweeping right, taken in third gear at about
70-75.
>
> Accelerate out, then flat through 2 (a corner in
name only) up to about
> 100, brake, then into a sweeping right at 3 onto
the back straight at
> about
> 70-80. Speed through 3 is critical,
because it leads to a one-mile
> straight.
>
> Turn 4, in
the middle of the straight, is taken flat at about 100 (another
> non
corner), then it's downhill through the woods to turn 5 at about 130.
>
> Turn 5 is the brake killer: it's a downhill, 90-deg left that tightens,
so
> you gotta go all the way from 130 down to 2nd gear at about 45 mph. I
wore
> down my rightside pads first on this turn because of the tremendous
heavy
> braking. Power through 5 in 2nd, then up the hill to 6, a sharp
left after
> a bridge. Brake before going under the bridge, then turn left
into 6 after
> the bridge.
>
> 7 is a sweeping right. Stab
the brakes slightly to transfer weight, turn
> in
> way before the
corner (very early apex), then power on through the apex
> and
>
down the hill at about 105 to turn 8, the toughest turn (for me). It's a
>
downhill sharp left, a little off camber, and I never did get the
braking
> and turn-in quite right for two days.
>
> Turn 8 is
the carousel. This is a fairly easy, constant radius turn to the
> right
taken three ft off the inside curb in 3rd gear at about 65. My son
> also
took his Fiero through here at 65. At the end, pinch tighter to the
>
curb, feed in the power, drift left and accelerate up about 105-110
before
> the infamous Kink.
>
> (without my map, I lose track
of corner numbers, so bear with me)
> To take the Kink, tap the brakes at
the entry, feed in gas smoothly, turn
> in to the right about 50 yards
before the apex and clip the apex in 4th
> gear, at about 95. Then feed
more and more power, clip the exit, move to
> the right a little,
turn in to the left by turning the wheel about 1/8
> turn
> to the
left, and just hold it there. From here, it's a constant-radius
> series
of turns taken flat out, foot to the floor, turbos pulling like
> crazy in
4th from 110 mph up to gawdonlyknows how fast, and it's the
> fastest part
of the track. In all my track experiences so far, going from
> the Kink to
Canada Corner is the most exciting thing I've ever done. It's
> also
mesmerizing -- you get so enthralled with the experience of going so
>
fast, the car in its element, doing exactly what those Japanese
design
> engineers intended, that it's hypnotic -- omigawd, I'm in a
corner at well
> over 100 mph and the car is still accelerating! Let this
feeling go on
> forever! -- problem is, you tend to forget that Canada
Corner is coming up
> and OSHIT I GOTTASTOPTHISSUCKER!!! Whew!
Luckily, the R4s do work, and
> they do stop the car, although it gets
exciting if you wait too long and
> the instructor yells a lot (see
above).
>
> My son in his Fiero could also go flat from the entry
of the Kink to
> Canada
> Corner, and he was hitting about 105 when
he reached his braking point.
>
> Canada Corner is a sweeping
right. Brake, hit the apex under full power in
> 3rd gear, drift left to
the exit and bring it back to the right for a
> medium left under a
bridge. My instructor would have me stab the brakes to
> transfer weight,
then full power back on, clip the apex on the left and
> let
> it
drift wide to the right then straighten up and flat to the braking
>
point
> for corner 14.
>
> My son was flat in his Fiero from
Canada Corner to 14; I was flat in 3rd
> most of the way, but I had to
stab the brakes before the bridge because I
> was carrying too much speed.
We both arrived at 14 doing about 100 mph.
> (Judging by his descriptions
of speeds and corners, his automatic V6 Fiero
> sticks like glue and stops
extremely well, so on his very first driving
> event, he was keeping up
with other novices in M3s and other cars through
> the turns. They ate him
up on the straights, of course.).
>
> Turn 14 is a hard right onto
the front straight at about 60, in 3rd. From
> there, it's just a highway
cruise up the long hill all the way to turn 1.
>
> I never
achieved ALL of the above in a single lap -- by the time I learned
> the
perfect lines, I was into save-the-brakes mode big time, and was no
>
longer attempting to stop the car from speeds over 100. Instead, I would
>
lift long before the corner, so that I entered the braking zone at 100.
>
(If
> I was running for lap times, I would attempt to run a lap the way
I
> described above.) Instead, I would just use the straights to pass
lesser
> cars, like M3s and 911s, at speeds of 110-120, get in front, and
then lift
> to coast back down to 100. They'd close up under braking, mad
as hornets,
> but then I'd run away from them.
>
> About the
Supra:
> Having never been passed by a car quite so fast before, I had to
find out
> what he had. I could see him coming in my mirrors like a blue
freight
> train, gobbling me up by 10-20 car lengths on each straight. He
went by me
> like a rocket ship. He said he was running two bars of
boost (28psi!!),
> and had installed lots of goodies such as downpipes,
injectors, chips and
> whatnot, was making 400+ hp, and weighed 3450
lb. Made me feel a little
> better.
>
> NEXT: ADVENTURES IN
BRAKING IV
> .
> Rich/old poop/94 VR4/somebody stop me!
>
>
>
>
>
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 18 14:33:45 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id OAA27273
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:33:45 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id OAA27266
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:33:39 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from rg (194.230.192.83) by newmail.spectraweb.ch; 18 Oct
1999 23:29:59 +0200
Message-ID:
<000e01bf19b0$3587e460$53c0e6c2@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<3.0.5.32.19991018154410.0089b420@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Road America (Supra)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 23:26:01
+0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> Having never been passed by a car quite so fast before, I had
to find out
> what he had. I could see him coming in my mirrors like a
blue freight
> train, gobbling me up by 10-20 car lengths on each
straight. He went by me
> like a rocket ship. He said he was running
two bars of boost (28psi!!),
> and had installed lots of goodies such as
downpipes, injectors, chips and
> whatnot, was making 400+ hp, and
weighed 3450 lb. Made me feel a little
> better.
Make the hp figure
above 500hp ! Also the torque curve is damn higher than
ours. But the cars
are not as effective because running 28psi is like we are
running 22psi.
Their downpipe eliminates pre- and main cat and my buddys car
runs like hell
since then. He's running 1.6 kg/cm2 = 22.7 psi with just an
AVC-R, Apexi
filter, Field fuel controller (that does not much) and downpipe
(no cats). We
once drove a little bit fast on nice roads and I was not able
to follow him
on straight roads. But in and out of the turns I was back on
his tail (AWD
rules). The thing is really fast even as an automatic ...
not
bad.
Later,
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 18 14:40:25 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id OAA27489
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:40:25 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
c1mailgw3.prontomail.com ([208.178.29.199])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id OAA27482
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:40:18 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from c2web08 (208.178.29.248) by c1mailgw3.prontomail.com
(NPlex 2.0.123) for stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:34:49
-0700
From: "Kevin Volkan" <kevin@3si.zzn.com>
Message-Id:
<199910181434551@kevin.3si.zzn.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:39:51
-0400
X-Priority: Normal
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=iso-8859-1
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Burning smell from car?
X-Mailer: Web Based Pronto
Mime-Version:
1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I've had a
similar smell at times - seems to be the clutch. I usually get it after I have
used the clutch hard - might be a signal that its time to replace the
clutch?
Kevin
3Si News and Events
http://www.3si.org
___________________________________________________________
Get
your own Web-based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 18 15:02:10 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id PAA27832
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:02:10 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id PAA27825
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:02:06 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from rg (194.230.238.245) by newmail.spectraweb.ch; 18 Oct
1999 23:58:27 +0200
Message-ID:
<002f01bf19b4$2fa7d880$53c0e6c2@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<3.0.5.32.19991018154410.0089b420@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: EE
knowledge needed (important)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:00:14
+0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Friends,
Although I have a degree in EE I forgot everything
about analoge techniques
as I always was the computer freak. But maybe you
know that I'm testing a
new ignition system as well as I had a new idea about
enhancing our stock
ignition system.
Now, I'm able to draw a schematic
dagram but I don't know how to calculate a
high current switch with an
analoge inverter as well I'm not familiar with
the available transistor
types. I therefore would highly appreciate the help
of an EE that has good
knowledge of the stuff. I think it would be easy as I
know all input
parameters and I can solder the parts together on a test
circuit and test it
out on my car. Also it would help when the schematic
diagram can be checked
out as I may missed a part or so.
So, every EE with good experience and
knowledge please email me and I can
send you the details I've put together.
The result will then be a pretty
cheap ignition enhancer that should be able
to create more power to the
spark. Then a small ignition amplifier like the
B&M can be added to inrease
the voltage even more to fully cure our
hesitation problem.
Thanks in advance,
Roger
93'3000GT
TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 18 15:08:05 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id PAA27905
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:08:05 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET (cedar-rapids.net [206.24.60.1])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id PAA27891
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:08:01 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from c440759-a.cdrrpd1.ia.home.com ([24.10.221.131]) by
CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET
with SMTP (IPAD 2.5/64) id 7215300 ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999
17:04:27 -0500
Message-Id:
<3.0.5.32.19991018163349.008ac930@cedar-rapids.net>
X-Sender:
merritt@cedar-rapids.net
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5
(32)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:33:49 -0500
To: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>, <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
From:
Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Road America
(Supra)
In-Reply-To: <000e01bf19b0$3587e460$53c0e6c2@rg>
References:
<3.0.5.32.19991018154410.0089b420@cedar-rapids.net>
Mime-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
At 11:26 PM
10/18/99 +0200, R.G. wrote:
>> Having never been passed by a car quite
so fast before, I had to find out
>> what he had. I could see him
coming in my mirrors like a blue freight
>> train, gobbling me up by
10-20 car lengths on each straight. He went by me
>> like a rocket
ship.
>
>Make the hp figure above 500hp !
Thanks Roger. I
feel even better now!
Rich/old poop/94 VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Mon Oct 18 15:08:10 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
PAA27931
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:08:10 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET (cedar-rapids.net [206.24.60.1])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id PAA27893
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:08:01 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from c440759-a.cdrrpd1.ia.home.com ([24.10.221.131]) by
CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET
with SMTP (IPAD 2.5/64) id 7215000 ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999
17:04:23 -0500
Message-Id:
<3.0.5.32.19991018160645.008a6e70@cedar-rapids.net>
X-Sender:
merritt@cedar-rapids.net
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5
(32)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:06:45 -0500
To: "Landis, Michael"
<MLandis@casham.com>
From: Merritt
<merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Road America Track
Report
Cc: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
In-Reply-To:
<30C462FFDD5CD311A34400805FF924CF2F8FCC@MAIL>
Mime-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
At 04:08 PM
10/18/99 -0500, Landis, Michael wrote:
>Hi Rich - Found a pic of your
track here: http://www.ompusa.com/grm/ra.htm
>Looks (and sounds) like way
too much fun for my fainting heart...
>
Thanks! I see that the Carousel
is turn 9, not 8. Ooops.
Rich/old poop
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Mon Oct 18 16:09:51 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
QAA28808
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:09:51 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web2005.mail.yahoo.com
[128.11.68.205])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id
QAA28801
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999
16:09:49 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
<19991018231016.16113.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com>
Received: from
[24.4.168.158] by web2005.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:10:16 PDT
Date:
Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:10:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Kuo
<amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Check out my new updated
site!
To: Bruce Body <bbody@pacbell.net>, Jeff Bognar
<jeff083077@hotmail.com>,
Courtney Chu <veilsdegto@aol.com>, Dave
<Addendum@aol.com>,
Dave
<DJS3000@aol.com>, Benison de Vera
<XCricKX@aol.com>,
Dennis
<stealthes91@pinoymail.com>, Eric
<suthnr@geocities.com>,
RichJD Fowler <richfowler@home.com>, Roger Gerl
<robby@swissonline.ch>,
Bill
Munroe <bmunroe@home.com>, Nav
<moondin@megahits.com>,
Quincy <sychofunk@aol.com>, Jose Soriano
<Amahoser@Linkline.com>,
Ricardo Tapia
<NobleFB44@aol.com>,
Team3SI
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>,
Darren Yip <darren.yip@ey.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hi Fellow 3S
owners,
Check out me new and updated site. Im still a
beginner
at the HTML stuff.. let me know what you
think.
Thanx.
www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/8576/Intro.html
George
Kuo
3SI#0139
P.S. Sorry Team3S List for a non
topic!
=====
__________________________________________________
Do
You Yahoo!?
Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 18 17:17:37 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id RAA29790
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:17:37 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.maindomain.com (mail.800hosting.com [209.41.115.5])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id RAA29783
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:17:33 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from kevin [209.92.30.58] by mail.maindomain.com
(SMTPD32-5.01) id AAB9149027C; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:26:33 CDT
Message-ID:
<000f01bf19c7$2fc21ca0$3a1e5cd1@kevin>
From: "Kevin"
<Kevin@pacarsearch.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: VGX pads..... any
good?
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:16:26 -0400
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
I can get VGX pads at a great price (compared to others) but what am
I
really getting? Anyone have any experience with there pads? At
$19.95 a
set if they wear twice as fast as the others I will still be ahead
of the
game. They are made by Brembo..... can't be all that bad can
they?
TIA,
Kevin
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Mon Oct 18 18:28:07 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
SAA00656
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:28:07 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id SAA00649
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:28:03 -0700
(PDT)
From: Klusmanp@aol.com
Received: from Klusmanp@aol.com
by
imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id uJMYa19964 (4419)
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:27:32 -0400
(EDT)
Message-ID: <0.cf7ab298.253d2303@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Oct
1999 21:27:31 EDT
Subject: Team3S: Possible source for synchros?
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: AOL
3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 64
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Saw an ad for
this importer of drive train components. Quaife engineering
offers complete
gear sets for various cars - didn't see 3000GT/Stealth
listed, but I did see
diff. sets for Eclipse/Talon/Laser cars.
check it
out:
http://www.autotech.com/qpsnew.htm
This outfit might be able
to supply synchros after the current supply dries
up? (Jack Tertadian is the
only other source I know of - he uses some amazing
sort of diplomacy to
sneak synchros directly from Getrag for us)
Paul Klusman
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 18 18:52:59 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id SAA01011
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:52:59 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
pisces.tcg.sgi.net (pisces.tcg.sgi.net [209.166.160.37])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id SAA01004
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:52:56 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from oemcomputer
(dap-209-114-172-127.pm4-1.smds.cran.pa.stargate.net [209.114.172.127])
by
pisces.tcg.sgi.net (StarGate/4.0.24) with SMTP id VAA24553
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:52:53 -0400
(EDT)
Message-ID: <017701bf19d4$8b1789c0$03000004@oemcomputer>
From:
"Edwin Shaw" <seawulf@sgi.net>
To: "Team 3S"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Engine
Date: Mon,
18 Oct 1999 21:52:03 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
I was wondering exactly what kind of a powerplant a 98 3000GT would
be
using? is it a 4g63 or a 6g72b?
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Mon Oct 18 19:19:07 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
TAA01549
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:19:07 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc2.occa.home.com
[24.2.8.66])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
TAA01542
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999
19:19:04 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from cx221247a ([24.8.141.25]) by
mail.rdc2.occa.home.com
(InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with
SMTP
id
<19991019021903.EQFO6538.mail.rdc2.occa.home.com@cx221247a>;
Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:19:03 -0700
Message-ID:
<008801bf19d7$aab03180$198d0818@msnv1.occa.home.com>
From: "Jim
Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
To: "Jeff A Williamson"
<Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.com>,
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<2139113@jsux04.corp.jci.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: My Baby's Sick -
Misfiring
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:14:25 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> My '92 VR4 was running fine before I changed the oil. I
changed over to
> synthetic oil, flushing the motor first. It cranked up
and ran fine. I drove it
> for about 10 minutes and stopped. After the
engine cooled down a bit, I decided
> to clean it using a degreaser and
water. I followed the procedures correctly
> (warm not hot engine,
covered air filters and BOV). After I cranked it back up,
> the engine
was running rough. I drove it into the garage and let it sit
> overnight,
thinking that water had gotten someplace it shouldn't and would dry
>
-====================================================
You may have gotten
water in the spark plug wells ---- plug wire problems will
cause missfire
under load.
Jim Berry
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Mon Oct 18 20:08:02 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
UAA02550
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:08:02 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from pclink.com (root@mail.pclink.com [204.72.134.12])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id UAA02543
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:07:59 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from logikit (pm7-38 [206.11.2.174])
by pclink.com
(8.9.2/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA02679;
Mon, 18 Oct 1999 22:07:50 -0500
(CDT)
Message-ID: <00af01bf19de$ab587b40$ae020bce@logikit>
From:
"Oskar" <swede@pclink.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>, "Merritt"
<merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
References:
<3.0.5.32.19991018154410.0089b420@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Road America Track Report
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 22:04:32
-0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Great race report. Wish I could have been there. By the
judging of you
race commentary I think you'd enjoy Brainerd International
Raceway up her in
Minnesota. At turn 1 off the long straight I was
consistently doing 140. A
very seasoned race driver in a '97 AWD 911T
reported 154! He had them big
brakes too...
We are going to BIR
twice next year. I'll keep you informed in case you
want to come up
here and see some trees :) I'd like to do more events next
year,
hopefully expanding to other tracks in the region. Hopefully we
will
run the same track at some point.
Question: Have you tried the
heat treatment of the R4s?? That would be BBQ.
I recall someone
reporting double life expectancy after this treatment. Are
you using
the racing compound R4s??
Oskar
'95 R/T TT
> There's good
news and bad news.
>
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Mon Oct 18 23:00:51 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
XAA04602
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 23:00:51 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mxout1.cac.washington.edu (mxout1.cac.washington.edu
[140.142.32.5])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
XAA04595
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999
23:00:48 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mailhost2.u.washington.edu
(mailhost2.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.2])
by mxout1.cac.washington.edu
(8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id XAA11150
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 23:00:43
-0700
Received: from u.washington.edu (cs313-26.spmodem.washington.edu
[140.142.175.27])
by mailhost2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08)
with ESMTP id XAA18776
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18
Oct 1999 23:00:42 -0700
Message-ID:
<380C0861.5123A4F7@u.washington.edu>
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 22:57:53
-0700
From: Errin Humphrey <errin@u.washington.edu>
Organization:
University of Washington
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en,ja
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: 3/S Sirius Mailing
List <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Road America
(Supra)
References: <3.0.5.32.19991018154410.0089b420@cedar-rapids.net>
<000e01bf19b0$3587e460$53c0e6c2@rg>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
"R.G."
wrote:
> > like a rocket ship. He said he was running two
bars of boost (28psi!!),
> > and had installed lots of goodies such as
downpipes, injectors, chips and
> > whatnot, was making 400+ hp,
and weighed 3450 lb. Made me feel a little
> > better.
>
>
Make the hp figure above 500hp ! Also the torque curve is damn higher
than
> ours. But the cars are not as effective because running 28psi is
like we are
> running 22psi. Their downpipe eliminates pre- and main cat
and my buddys car
Here's an analysis by a friend of mine (and a Supra
guru):
>Nice. But informe that guy that 28 PSI is roughly 750 RWHP in
a Supra;)
>The guy was obviously lying about the boost he was running.
Plus the stock
>turbos can't do 28 PSI anyway.
--Errin
Humphrey
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 18 23:29:04 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id XAA05062
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 23:29:04 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET (cedar-rapids.net [206.24.60.1])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id XAA05055
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 23:29:01 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from c440759-a.cdrrpd1.ia.home.com ([24.10.221.131]) by
CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET
with SMTP (IPAD 2.5/64) id 7432800 ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999
01:25:32 -0500
Message-Id:
<3.0.5.32.19991019012307.007c3a50@cedar-rapids.net>
X-Sender:
merritt@cedar-rapids.net
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5
(32)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 01:23:07 -0500
To: Errin Humphrey
<errin@u.washington.edu>,
3/S Sirius Mailing List <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
From: Merritt
<merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Road America
(Supra)
In-Reply-To:
<380C0861.5123A4F7@u.washington.edu>
References:
<3.0.5.32.19991018154410.0089b420@cedar-rapids.net>
<000e01bf19b0$3587e460$53c0e6c2@rg>
Mime-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
>> >
like a rocket ship. He said he was running two bars of boost
(28psi!!),
>> >
Roger said:
>> Make the hp figure above
500hp ! Also the torque curve is damn higher than
>> ours. But the cars
are not as effective because running 28psi is like we
are
>> running
22psi. Their downpipe eliminates pre- and main cat and my
buddys
car
Errin said:
>Here's an analysis by a friend of mine
(and a Supra guru):
>
>>Nice. But informe that guy that 28 PSI is
roughly 750 RWHP in a Supra;)
>>The guy was obviously lying about the
boost he was running. Plus the stock
>>turbos can't do 28 PSI
anyway.
Or maybe he had upgraded the turbos, too. 750 hp? I feel
better all the
time about getting passed.
Rich/old poop
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 19 00:25:34 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id AAA05828
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:25:34 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id AAA05821
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:25:31 -0700
(PDT)
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
Received: from TurboDrvn@aol.com
by
imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id iWMQa03805 (4309);
Tue, 19 Oct 1999
03:25:04 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <0.2b467391.253d76d0@aol.com>
Date:
Tue, 19 Oct 1999 03:25:04 EDT
Subject: Re: Team3S: Road America
(Supra)
To: merritt@cedar-rapids.net,
errin@u.washington.edu,
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer:
Windows AOL sub 44
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
In a message
dated 10/19/99 1:29:58 AM Central Daylight Time,
merritt@cedar-rapids.net
writes:
<< >> > like a rocket ship. He said he was
running two bars of boost
(28psi!!),
>> >
Roger
said:
>> Make the hp figure above 500hp ! Also the torque curve is damn
higher than
>> ours. But the cars are not as effective because running
28psi is like we
are
>> running 22psi. Their downpipe eliminates
pre- and main cat and my buddys
car
Errin said:
>Here's an
analysis by a friend of mine (and a Supra guru):
>
>>Nice. But
informe that guy that 28 PSI is roughly 750 RWHP in a Supra;)
>>The guy
was obviously lying about the boost he was running. Plus the
stock
>>turbos can't do 28 PSI anyway.
Or maybe he had upgraded
the turbos, too. 750 hp? I feel better all the
time about getting
passed.
Rich/old poop
>>
Most
hardcore Supra owners convert their Sequential twin turbo set-up
into a
Single conversion set up!! Two of my friends have these set ups!!!
AMAZINGLY fast set ups!!!!! If the guy said he was running 28psi
- I'm
almost willing to bet that it was a Single HUGE Turbo ( I believe,
it's
referred to as a T-66 turbo; but don't quote me on that!!) I
wonder if
someone will ever be able to convert our parallel Twin Turbo set
up into a
single HUGE Turbo set up????? (I'm sure this thought has
been discussed
before! And something tells me - it's NOT
possible!)
By the way Rich, EXCELLENT Post !!!!!
Talk
to you all later,
Ahmed.
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 19 03:09:23 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id DAA07939
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 03:09:23 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id DAA07921
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 03:09:19 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from RGERL012599 (216.131.138.64) by newmail.spectraweb.ch;
19 Oct 1999 12:05:38 +0200
Message-ID:
<000201bf1a1a$1e88b1d0$408a83d8@RGERL012599_000.peoplesoft.com>
Reply-To:
"R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "Team 3S"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Engine
Date:
Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:03:05 +0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3110.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
6G72 is the type of all 3S cars. I'm not sure about the
"b" but could be a
generation code (b = 4 bolt main)
>I
was wondering exactly what kind of a powerplant a 98 3000GT would
be
>using? is it a 4g63 or a 6g72b?
// Roger
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 19 05:53:56 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id FAA09765
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 05:53:56 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
exchange1.bigcharts.com (exchange1.BigCharts.com [206.146.143.5])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id FAA09758
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 05:53:52 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id
<VDH4Q5L6>; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:58:00 -0500
Message-ID:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7623@EXCHANGE1>
From: Matt Jannusch
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Road America (Supra)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:57:59
-0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="windows-1252"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> I wonder if
someone will ever be able to convert our parallel
> Twin Turbo set up into
a single HUGE Turbo set up????? (I'm
> sure this thought has been
discussed before! And something
> tells me - it's NOT
possible!)
Possible, yes. Realistic, no. Essentially you'd
have your large turbo somewhere in the downpipe where both sets of exhaust flow
were collected before entering the turbo. You'd lose a lot of the exhaust
pulse power and EGT's would have a chance to cool somewhat before reaching that
point.
Easy to do on a straight-six, not so easy on a V6 - and overall
whether you have two small turbos or one large turbo it doesn't make that much
difference if the flow rates overall are similar. Well, except for the
thinness of your wallet buying two turbos.
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder
VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 19 08:04:42 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id IAA12163
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:04:42 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
hotmail.com (law2-f105.hotmail.com [216.32.181.105])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id IAA12156
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:04:39 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (qmail 9732 invoked by uid 0); 19 Oct 1999 15:04:18
-0000
Message-ID: <19991019150418.9731.qmail@hotmail.com>
Received:
from 199.46.198.230 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP;
Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:04:18
PDT
X-Originating-IP: [199.46.198.230]
From: "Dg B"
<dbretton@hotmail.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Team3S: Laser Jammer Info
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:04:18
EDT
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hi
All!
Don't know if this is a "taboo" subject here,
but with all of you here
who have Go-Go-fast cars, I would think that some
of you would have looked
into this.
Just to be safe, if you could reply
privately, I would greatly appreciate
it. :)
Here's my
message/question:
Well, it now looks like the
"staties" in my area have now updated their
arsenal to include
laser guns! Oh, horrible day. :(
Now I need to keep up with the
Jones's in blue, and am currently looking for
a laser jamming
device.
Can anyone lend a hand with some useful information about which
laser
jammers work well, and how well they would work with my Valentine
1?
Much obliged!
Regards,
Dennis
______________________________________________________
Get Your
Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Tue Oct 19 09:06:20 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
JAA13367
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:06:20 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET (cedar-rapids.net [206.24.60.1])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id JAA13351
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:06:17 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from c440759-a.cdrrpd1.ia.home.com ([24.10.221.131]) by
CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET
with SMTP (IPAD 2.5/64) id 7599800 ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999
11:02:32 -0500
Message-Id:
<3.0.5.32.19991019105940.007e6100@cedar-rapids.net>
X-Sender:
merritt@cedar-rapids.net
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5
(32)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:59:40 -0500
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
From: Merritt
<merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Road America experience on
video/web site
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
A new friend of
mine put his experiences at Road America onto a web
site:
http://www.gagme.com/~greg/911/track/roadamerica1.html
Included
is video of a complete lap and lots of photos. Bear in mind that
he's driving
an inferior Porsche 911, so he's going a lot slower than we
do. Still, you
can certainly get the idea of what it's like out there.
Note that in the
kink, he passes a car. The car waves him by -- that's the
only way you are
allowed to pass.
It's a great site! Check it out.
You guys CAN
do this!
Rich/old poop/94 VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Tue Oct 19 12:00:59 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
MAA17027
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:00:59 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail.shadow.net (mail.shadow.net [204.177.71.231])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id MAA17019
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:00:55 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from scooby (ppp-178.shadow.net [207.17.58.198])
by
mail.shadow.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA07483;
Tue, 19 Oct 1999
15:02:09 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
<005b01bf1a65$59ad1e40$967cfea9@scooby>
From: "SkoobY"
<pir8ska@shadow.net>
To: "Matt Jannusch"
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>, <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Road America (Supra)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 15:08:37
-0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="windows-1252"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3110.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Yes but the 300zx's are V6, and they have single turbo upgrades...
why is it
different in our case?
Carlos
-----Original
Message-----
From: Matt Jannusch <MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date:
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 8:55 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Road America
(Supra)
>> I wonder if someone will ever be able to convert our
parallel
>> Twin Turbo set up into a single HUGE Turbo set
up????? (I'm
>> sure this thought has been discussed
before! And something
>> tells me - it's NOT
possible!)
>
>Possible, yes. Realistic, no. Essentially
you'd have your large turbo
somewhere in the downpipe where both sets of
exhaust flow were collected
before entering the turbo. You'd lose a lot
of the exhaust pulse power and
EGT's would have a chance to cool somewhat
before reaching that point.
>
>Easy to do on a straight-six, not so
easy on a V6 - and overall whether you
have two small turbos or one large
turbo it doesn't make that much
difference if the flow rates overall are
similar. Well, except for the
thinness of your wallet buying two
turbos.
>
>-Matt
>'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
>
>For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Tue Oct 19 12:46:51 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
MAA18015
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:46:51 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from exchange1.bigcharts.com (exchange1.BigCharts.com
[206.146.143.5])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
MAA17992
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 19 Oct 1999
12:46:47 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
id <VDH4Q764>; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 14:51:00
-0500
Message-ID:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7633@EXCHANGE1>
From: Matt Jannusch
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Road America (Supra)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 14:50:57
-0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="windows-1252"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> Yes but the
300zx's are V6, and they have single turbo
> upgrades... why is it
different in our case?
Okay, so you want to make a single turbo upgrade
for 3/S cars... Here's what you need:
Custom piping from the
exhaust manifolds to the single turbo
(or custom headers that collect
behind motor)
Custom turbo to cat (or rear exhaust) piping with flanges for
both
Custom air intake from turbo to MAF (or whatever else you are
using)
Custom piping from turbo to intercoolers
Big Single Turbo - T3/T4
hybrid???
Room for all this stuff under the car
Room for piping to get
from under car to intercoolers/intake
Area where turbo won't get pummeled
with water and debris
Heat shielding for area above turbo so it doesn't start
your interior carpet on fire from the heat transfer through the floor
How
do you handle the intercoolers? Run them sequential or in parallel, or do
the correct solution and do a front-mount? If you do a front-mount, don't
forget the $1800 for that.
I'm just not seeing the benefit of going
through all this work to set up a single turbo. What's the advantage in
having a single instead of twin turbos?
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder
VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 19 13:56:24 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id NAA19063
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:56:24 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
sunny.bahnhof.se (sunny.bahnhof.se [193.44.91.1])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id NAA19056
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:56:21 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mikaela ([193.15.159.1])
by sunny.bahnhof.se
(8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA11391
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 22:56:17 +0200 (MET
DST)
Message-ID: <004401bf1a74$c1efa5e0$e20aa8c0@mikaela>
From:
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?= <vr4@bahnhof.se>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<005b01bf1a65$59ad1e40$967cfea9@scooby>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Road
America (Supra)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 22:58:54 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211
X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2014.211
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
You won't gain anything from a singleturbo setup. The Supra people
upgrades
to a Single turbo because it costs less with one turbo than two
turbos. The
twin turbo upgrades costs both an arm and a leg (Ask Jack, he
installed some
HKS twins on a friends Supra a few weeks ago). The Supras
sequential turbos
works as a single turbo anyway ,what I mean is that only
one turbo at a
time produce boost.
You won't gain anything with
a single turbo upgrade, maybe just save some
money on the turbo, but you will
end up spending more money in the end. You
will also have to upgrade all
Intercooler parts since you will get a flow
problem with our stock piping and
cores.
Mikael Akesson http://www.3000gt.nu
----- Original Message
-----
From: SkoobY <pir8ska@shadow.net>
To: Matt Jannusch
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>; <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Sent:
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Road America
(Supra)
Yes but the 300zx's are V6, and they have single turbo
upgrades... why is it
different in our case?
Carlos
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 19 17:04:54 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id RAA22019
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:04:54 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.shadow.net (mail.shadow.net [204.177.71.231])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id RAA22012
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:04:51 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from scooby (ppp-178.shadow.net [207.17.58.198])
by
mail.shadow.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA14192;
Tue, 19 Oct 1999
20:06:09 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
<003201bf1a8f$d0f7a7c0$967cfea9@scooby>
From: "SkoobY"
<pir8ska@shadow.net>
To: "Matt Jannusch"
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>, <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Road America (Supra)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:12:36
-0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="windows-1252"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3110.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
>>SNIP!
or do the correct solution and do a
front-mount? If you do a front-mount,
don't forget the $1800 for
that.
>>SNIP!
By the way, i am getting a custom front mount
intercooler done very soon for
my car... i bought a rather large intercooler
from a large izuzu rig for
$200 its 12' wide and about 14' tall and 2' thick.
i am getting it cut
vertically and stacked one behind the other, so i'll have
a core ~7'tall,
12' wide and ~4' thick. the machining and making of the
endtanks will run me
about another $200. and finally (the difficult part) the
intercooler
piping... i haven't decided on the thickness yet... i'll probably
go with 2
1/2' pipng... any suggestions? i have no idea what this part
will cost me
though... i'm hoping to have it all done for under $800, but
then again,
something always goes wrong =)
anyways, i just
decided to mention it, since intercoolers were brought
up...
Carlos
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Jannusch
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 3:51
PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Road America (Supra)
>> Yes but the
300zx's are V6, and they have single turbo
>> upgrades... why is it
different in our case?
>
>Okay, so you want to make a single turbo
upgrade for 3/S cars... Here's
what you need:
>
>Custom
piping from the exhaust manifolds to the single turbo
> (or custom
headers that collect behind motor)
>Custom turbo to cat (or rear exhaust)
piping with flanges for both
>Custom air intake from turbo to MAF (or
whatever else you are using)
>Custom piping from turbo to
intercoolers
>Big Single Turbo - T3/T4 hybrid???
>Room for all this
stuff under the car
>Room for piping to get from under car to
intercoolers/intake
>Area where turbo won't get pummeled with water and
debris
>Heat shielding for area above turbo so it doesn't start your
interior
carpet on fire from the heat transfer through the
floor
>
>How do you handle the intercoolers? Run them
sequential or in parallel, or
do the correct solution and do a
front-mount? If you do a front-mount,
don't forget the $1800 for
that.
>
>I'm just not seeing the benefit of going through all this
work to set up a
single turbo. What's the advantage in having a single
instead of twin
turbos?
>
>-Matt
>'95 3000GT Spyder
VR4
>
>For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Tue Oct 19 17:30:47 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
RAA22741
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:30:47 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mx01.gis.net (scribe.gis.net [208.218.130.25])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id RAA22733
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:30:43 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from monster (nas-3-248.boston.navinet.net [216.67.3.248]) by
mx01.gis.net (8.8.8/8.8.8+pyrd) with SMTP id UAA11236 for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:30:39 -0400
(EDT)
Message-ID: <001301bf1a92$64580260$140100b6@monster>
Reply-To:
"Gil Gomes" <gil@warpedweb.com>
From: "Gil Gomes"
<gil@warpedweb.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: License
Plates
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:31:02 -0400
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3612.1700
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Yeah.. yeah...
Here I am again. I bought my 3000GT
base just over 5 months
ago and I'm finally getting into doing some
mods.
I bought a base GT on purpose so I wouldn't go over the
top
customizing it. (so much for that...) I also had some
turbo
problems with my '95 GSX that put me off turbos for a bit.
I live in
New England and the cold weather can be a problem
with turbos when you're
running the car year round. That car
was my third turbo in a row.
I had an '89 Dodge Dayton CS Turbo
Special Edition, a '90 Eclipse GST and a
'95 Eclipse GSX.
I wanted a gorgeous non-turbo machine that I could run
all year.
(I'm buying a Jeep Cherokee so I can garage the 3000 for
three
months.) My plans seem to be going awry, here.
I just got a $10,000 bonus for
all the incredibly hard work
I've done for my company in conquering our Y2K
issues.
I worked 42 out of 43 days at one point, and 12 hour days
weren't
really all that odd.
So.. now I have money... I have a
3000GT... I'm wicked
compulsive with new toyz. Sounds like
trouble, eh?
Thanx to the input from a lot of you guys, the car is
really
starting to come around. I'm shooting for 250HP, and I
think
I can obtain that without problem. I know I've been
a bit of a pain in
the keister for the past few months with
an overabundance of
questions... But if I have to ask
someone... I want to ask the
pros.
Thanx again to all of you guys who gave me your opinion
on which
wheels I should buy. I'm ordering them tomorrow.
I'm down to three
choices and if I have to toss a coin... so be it.
NOW.. I'm into
ordereing vanity plates. I've got 5 hours into
the Massachusetts
Registry of Motor Vehicles vanity plate
database. I couldn't order
lunch, about now.
Take a look at my site... and PLEASE let me know
which
plate you like best... thanx AGAIN for your time, input and
cameraderie...
http://www.warpedweb.com/3000GT
Select
"Which Plate Should I Grab"
from the
menu...
Thanx...
-G
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Tue Oct 19 19:17:21 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
TAA24341
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:17:21 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail1.tor.accglobal.net (mail1.tor.accglobal.net
[204.92.55.105])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
TAA24334
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 19 Oct 1999
19:17:17 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from ppp-033.m2-15.tor.ican.net
([142.154.19.33] helo=default)
by mail1.tor.accglobal.net with smtp (Exim
2.11 #1)
id 11dlJT-0002Te-01
for stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com; Tue, 19
Oct 1999 22:17:16 -0400
Message-ID:
<000a01bf1aa7$54caca20$21139a8e@default>
From: "nketo"
<nketo@accglobal.net>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Possible source
for synchros?
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:00:55 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3110.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
-----Original Message-----
From: Klusmanp@aol.com
<Klusmanp@aol.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Monday, October 18, 1999 5:29
PM
Subject: Team3S: Possible source for synchros?
The Quaife
engineering team makes excellent components....for select cars.
I dont beleve
they'll make any parts for our cars unless there is enough
demand in the
marketplace to warrant
production.
Maybe we can bug 'em for
some?
Noble
>Saw an ad for this importer of drive train
components. Quaife engineering
>offers complete gear sets for various cars
- didn't see 3000GT/Stealth
>listed, but I did see diff. sets for
Eclipse/Talon/Laser cars.
>
>check it
out:
>
>http://www.autotech.com/qpsnew.htm
>
>This
outfit might be able to supply synchros after the current supply
dries
>up? (Jack Tertadian is the only other source I know of - he uses
some
amazing
>sort of diplomacy to sneak synchros directly from Getrag
for us)
>
>Paul Klusman
>For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 19 21:27:25 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id VAA01674
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:27:25 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
wiesbaden.netsurf.de (nero.wiesbaden.netsurf.de [194.163.168.140])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id VAA01667
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:27:21 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from wiesbaden.netsurf.de by wiesbaden.netsurf.de with
esmtp
(Smail3.2.0.95 #28) id m11dnSh-001lehC; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 05:34:55 +0100
(MET)
Message-ID: <380D5400.3AB002FE@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Date:
Wed, 20 Oct 1999 06:32:48 +0100
From: Matthews
<matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en,ja
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Gil Gomes
<gil@warpedweb.com>
CC: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
ADMIN WARNING - Re: Team3S: License Plates
References:
<001301bf1a92$64580260$140100b6@monster>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Gil Gomes
wrote:
>
> NOW.. I'm into ordereing vanity
plates.
Gil,
It looks like you have accidentally posted to the wrong
list. This is
the tecnical list, and your topic belongs on the starnet
list. Thanx.
--
Jim Matthews - Wiesbaden,
Germany
matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (64 Kbps
ISDN)
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews
*** 3000GT-Stealth
International (3Si) Member #0030
***
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews/stealth.html
Jet Black '94
Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension,
Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 72%
BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark
plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
Metal Matrix brake pads, custom braided
brake lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 168mph
G-Tech
Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 406 SAE
HP, 354 lb-ft torque
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 20 06:12:05 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id GAA05944
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 06:12:05 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id GAA05937
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 06:12:03 -0700
(PDT)
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
Received: from TurboDrvn@aol.com
by
imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id uMUAa09316 (4242)
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:11:40 -0400
(EDT)
Message-ID: <0.d8dde0f4.253f198c@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Oct
1999 09:11:40 EDT
Subject: Team3S: Need RC Engineering's info
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer:
Windows AOL sub 44
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Can someone
please inform me of RC Engineering's phone #, address and email
address.
Thank You,
Ahmed.
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 20 06:29:07 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id GAA06153
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 06:29:07 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id GAA06146
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 06:29:04 -0700
(PDT)
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
Received: from TurboDrvn@aol.com
by
imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 9HZRflsv7_ (4242);
Wed, 20 Oct 1999
09:28:27 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <0.9f505973.253f1d7b@aol.com>
Date:
Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:28:27 EDT
Subject: Re: Team3S: Road America
(Supra)
To: vr4@bahnhof.se, stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer:
Windows AOL sub 44
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
In a message
dated 10/19/99 3:59:43 PM Central Daylight Time, vr4@bahnhof.se
writes:
<< You won't gain anything with a single turbo upgrade,
maybe just save some
money on the turbo, but you will end up spending more
money in the end. You
will also have to upgrade all Intercooler parts since
you will get a flow
problem with our stock piping and cores.
Mikael
Akesson http://www.3000gt.nu
>>
Point well
taken!
Ahmed "AL-Crazy"
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Wed Oct 20 06:48:26 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
GAA06261
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 06:48:26 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch
[194.158.230.44])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
GAA06254
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 20 Oct 1999
06:48:22 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from RGERL012599 (216.131.135.126) by
newmail.spectraweb.ch; 20 Oct 1999 15:44:42 +0200
Message-ID:
<005001bf1b01$e38e1500$7e8783d8@RGERL012599_000.peoplesoft.com>
Reply-To:
"R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: <TurboDrvn@aol.com>,
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Need RC
Engineering's info
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:48:55 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3110.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
http://www.rceng.com/
Roger
93'3000GT
TT
-----Original Message-----
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
<TurboDrvn@aol.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Mittwoch, 20. Oktober 1999
15:10
Subject: Team3S: Need RC Engineering's info
>Can someone
please inform me of RC Engineering's phone #, address and
email
>address.
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 20 08:34:34 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id IAA07496
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:34:34 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id IAA07489
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:34:31 -0700
(PDT)
From: Yogourt@aol.com
Received: from Yogourt@aol.com
by
imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id uVCKPWwF8_ (4553)
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:34:03 -0400
(EDT)
Message-ID: <0.cb98b160.253f3aeb@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Oct
1999 11:34:03 EDT
Subject: Team3S: Transfer Case
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: AOL
3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hi all,
I
need to get another transfer case and I'm trying to determine which one I
need. I don't want to take it off until another one arrives as I can't
afford
the downtime. I have a '92 Stealth RT/TT. The transfer case has a
part number
MR165234 and a stamping number of MBG01338 with build date of
9/91. Kormex
can't determine whether this is large or small spine. The local
dealerships
didn't know there was a difference. Can anyone tell from the
above info which
I need or deirect me to someone that would know?
TIA
Paul
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 20 08:58:52 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id IAA07987
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:58:52 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mailgw01.execpc.com (sendmail@mailgw01.execpc.com [169.207.2.78])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id IAA07980
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:58:49 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from pop04.execpc.com (pop04.execpc.com [169.207.2.82])
by
mailgw01.execpc.com (8.9.1) id KAA03337;
Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:58:44
-0500
Received: from execpc.com (alzarius-1-39.mdm.mke.execpc.com
[169.207.129.39]) by pop04.execpc.com (8.8.8) id KAA06523; Wed, 20 Oct 1999
10:58:08 -0500
Message-ID: <380DE5CC.C88B1B31@execpc.com>
Date: Wed,
20 Oct 1999 10:54:52 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Reply-To:
xwing@execpc.com
Organization: Exec-PC
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95;
U)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Sirius 3000GT Mail List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>,
"stealth@starnet.net" <stealth@starnet.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Road America (Supra)
References:
<005b01bf1a65$59ad1e40$967cfea9@scooby>
<004401bf1a74$c1efa5e0$e20aa8c0@mikaela>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Single turbo is
cheaper than 2 turbos. Some think a twin spools up
quicker than a
single, if so it is minor factor. Twin may allow more
lbs/hour of
airflow total than a single that FITS. Twin looks and
sounds
cooler, bench-racing wise :)
The Supra with 3" exhaust,
EVC-EZ boost control, G-Force computer,
HKS twin turbo and frontmount
intercooler went 12.1 @ 127-129mph
on street tires (no traction, shows the
superiority of the 3000/Stealth VR4
on street tires--I went 10.8 @ 128 on
street tires!)
With BFGoodrich drag radials and "50hp" NOS,
went 11.43 @ 131
but was only 700psi in bottle, NOS not much gain. I
drove the car to 133.8mph
with NOS on street tires (I drive car a little
better. Not as MUCH better as I
did my buddy's 1993 3000, he was going
13.3 @ 110...he has alot of mods and
couldn't figure why was so slow. I
made ONE pass, and did 11.95@113.somthing
so he is happier with car, less so
with himself, but with experience he'll improve).
Jack
Tertadian
a hired gun, since nothing fast I own runs (well at least the ZX9R
is back ok now)
Mikael Åkesson wrote:
> Supra
people upgrades to Single turbo because costs less.
> twin turbo upgrade
costs arm and a leg (Ask Jack, he installed some
> HKS twins on Supra few
weeks ago). Supras sequential turbos
> works as single turbo
anyway
>
> You won't gain with single turbo, just save
>
money on turbo, end up spending more money in the end.
> will have to
upgrade all Intercooler parts
> Mikael Akesson
http://www.3000gt.nu
>
> From: SkoobY
<pir8ska@shadow.net>
> Yes but the 300zx's are V6, and they have
single turbo upgrades... why is it
> different in our case?
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 20 11:22:51 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id LAA10334
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:22:51 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.ceo-web.com (mail.ceo-web.com [216.199.8.34])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id LAA10327
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:22:47 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from Scott (tsdfb2-281.gate.net
[207.36.153.154])
by
mail.ceo-web.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP
id
OAA01678 for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:26:28
-0400
Message-Id:
<4.2.0.58.19991020133704.009921e0@192.168.1.1>
X-Sender:
ceorick#mail.ceo-web.com@192.168.1.1
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro
Version 4.2.0.58
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:19:24 -0400
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
From: Rick Diogo
<rick@ceo-consulting.com>
Subject: Team3S: Parts for sale- turbos and
intercoolers
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hello,
I
am new to this list and this is my first post. I have just been reading
what others have said. There seems to be a few very knowledgeable guys
on
this list. Thanks for all the great info!
I am selling a
pair of brand new turbos for a 94 R/T TT. They are brand
new in the
box from Mitsu (not remans) and have never been installed in a
vehicle. Best reasonable offer over $1,000 gets them. I am
looking to
get just enough to purchase the ARC2 from GT-Pro. So if
someone wants to
trade for that instead I would even be willing to do that
too.
Like I said, the turbos are brand new in the box. They list
for
$2,861.00 for the pair. I was told that they will fit 91-96
R/T TT's and
Vr-4's.
I also have my original stock intercoolers and
all the original piping and
hoses from my 94 TT. If anyone is
interested in these parts please let me
know ASAP. I will let the
intercoolers and all piping go for $700. I
think when I called the
dealer these parts (collectively) listed for more
than some complete used
cars cost.
Take Care,
Rick Diogo
94 Stealth TT
6 speed,
climate control A/C
Pearl Yellow w/factory Dodge Chrome wheels
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 20 14:06:53 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id OAA12779
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:06:53 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
refuge.Colorado.EDU (monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU [128.138.196.2])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id OAA12772
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:06:50 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from localhost (monarchd@localhost)
by refuge.Colorado.EDU
(8.9.3/8.9.3/UnixOps+Hesiod (PDH)) with SMTP id PAA29379;
Wed, 20 Oct 1999
15:06:48 -0600 (MDT)
Message-Id:
<199910202106.PAA29379@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
X-Authentication-Warning:
refuge.Colorado.EDU: monarchd@localhost didn't use HELO protocol
To:
Yogourt@aol.com, stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Transfer
Case
In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:34:03
EDT."
<0.cb98b160.253f3aeb@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:06:48
-0600
From: Dave Monarchi <monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
+> Hi
all,
+> I need to get another transfer case and I'm trying to determine
which one I
+> need. I don't want to take it off until another one
arrives as I can't affor
d
+> the downtime. I have a '92 Stealth
RT/TT. The transfer case has a part numbe
r
+> MR165234 and a stamping
number of MBG01338 with build date of 9/91. Kormex
+> can't determine
whether this is large or small spine. The local dealerships
+> didn't
know there was a difference. Can anyone tell from the above info whic
h
+> I need or deirect me to someone that would know?
+>
TIA
+> Paul
My understanding is that the large spline shafts were
installed in
cases built starting sometime in 1993.. And of course a
pre '93 case
that was rebuilt/remanufactured in '93 or later had the
possibility
of have the large spline "upgrade". Meaning the
build date on the
case wouldn't necessarily tell you one way or the other
what was
inside, unless you knew that it was a non-rebuilt pre-93
case.
if anyone thinks this information is inaccurate, please correct
me..
On the other hand, it's very simple to take the case out should
you
want to pull it, verify the spline count, and put it back in until
the new one arrives. I'm assuming your current case is still
functional as otherwise this wouldn't be an issue.
My mechanic
only charged me 2 hours to R&R mine a couple weeks ago.
I would
definately do it myself now that I know how easy it is.
(I originally
thought I was going to have him rebuild it before I
found out parts of the
case itself were destroyed.)
Hope this helps..
Dave
95 Black
VR4
87 Mica Red GTI G60
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt
Wed Oct 20 15:35:23 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id PAA13679
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:35:23 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET (cedar-rapids.net [206.24.60.1])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id PAA13672
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:35:19 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from c440759-a.cdrrpd1.ia.home.com ([24.10.221.131]) by
CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET
with SMTP (IPAD 2.5/64) id 8320600 ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999
17:31:35 -0500
Message-Id:
<3.0.5.32.19991020172807.008c5980@cedar-rapids.net>
X-Sender:
merritt@cedar-rapids.net
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5
(32)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:28:07 -0500
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
From: Merritt
<merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Adventures in Braking
IV
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Time to
discuss brakes again.
I just got off the phone with Porterfield. I
told them about my experience
at Road America, where I wore down a set of
pads in three 25 minute
sessions and grooved the rotors badly before the pads
had gotten down to
metal. He said:
1. Did I see any whiteness on
the edges of the pads? Yes. That means I was
running temperatures of 1300
degrees or more, and the pads simply don't
last long at those
temperatures.
2. Adding air and water cooling only helps marginally at
those
temperatures. I can increase the flow of both -- like with air
blowers --
and it will help, but only a little. Our cars are just too heavy
and the
brake pad area is too small.
3. The real problem is our
calipers: They just are not big enough. They
don't allow enough pad thickness
(we can only get about a 1/2 in. of pad
backing + material in there, which is
pretty slim).
4. I can go to Hawk pads, but they tend to wear the rotors
down. He also
has a Performance Friction pad that will wear a little longer,
but only
about 10% -- not enough to get through a whole weekend.
5.
Yes, carbon kevlar pads (Porterfield R4 pads) will groove a rotor,
especially
at high temperatures.
6. Road America and Blackhawk Farms (my last two
events) are on his top ten
list of "toughest tracks on
brakes."
His recommendation: Get bigger calipers and/or
practice brake management.
Hmmm. Brad Bedell's Big Red conversion kit is
looking better all the time.
Did I hear that Supra calipers will work on our
car?
Any comments out there? Anybody got a good solution?
Rich/old
poop/94 VR4/somebody stop me!
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Wed Oct 20 17:54:29 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
RAA15023
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:54:29 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from apollo.gat.com (apollo.gat.com [192.5.166.20])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id RAA15016
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:54:26 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from gat.com (middaugh@d3dtsa.gat.com
[192.150.242.240])
by apollo.gat.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id
RAA31352;
Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:54:20 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
<380E643D.6F824316@gat.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:54:21
-0700
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Organization:
General Atomics - Fusion Group
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; HP-UX
B.10.20 9000/730)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Merritt
<merritt@cedar-rapids.net>,
Team3S <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Adventures
in Braking IV
References:
<3.0.5.32.19991020172807.008c5980@cedar-rapids.net>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hi
Rich,
> Hmmm. Brad Bedell's Big Red conversion kit is looking better
all the time.
> Did I hear that Supra calipers will work on our
car?
>
> Any comments out there? Anybody got a good
solution?
John Christian has been road racing his '93 VR4 for some time
now. Hopefully
you will hear from him directly, but in the mean-time
check out his web pages
at
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/4538/. It looks like he has
tried
numerous combinations of rotors and pads at the track. His
current
recommendations are Brad's Porsche/Brembo kit, 322 mm directional
veined Supra
rotors (he has larger aftermarket wheels), and Paul Weston's
$180 pads. The
Supra rotors require some minor machining to fit our
cars though. Perhaps Brad
will begin offering machined Supra rotors
with his kit.
Also, John is the one who BBQ's his pads on high for 1/2
hour, then turns off
the gas and lets the pads cool inside the BBQ until they
reach room
temperature. He also heat cycles new rotors in the oven on
'self clean' cycle,
again letting them cool to room temperature slowly inside
the oven. He reports
longer life due to these treatments.
A
while back, Roger found the ultimate brake kit by Mov'it in Germany
at
http://www.ultimategarage.com/bigbrake1.html. Unfortunately they
cost almost
twice as much as Brad's kit, about $2800! This kit is
definitely worth $600
more than the Stillen/Brembo kit though.
Good
luck with your dilemma,
Ken
--
Drive faster, it is later than you
think!
Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 20 18:31:31 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id SAA15367
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:31:31 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
ro.com (IDENT:0@sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id SAA15360
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:31:27 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from sjiredff (tnt1-97-140.ro.com [208.134.97.140])
by
ro.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/RO-1.01) with SMTP id UAA24219;
Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:31:23
-0500
Message-ID: <009201bf1b63$408f2b20$8c6186d0@sjiredff>
From:
"Paul T. Golley" <ptgolley@ro.com>
To:
<Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Cc:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Another
"Last" APEXi Boost Controller Question
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999
20:26:07 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700
X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3612.1700
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Ken-
Once I got my BC installed, I set it to 1.0 bar and 68%
BADC.
I ran it to redline in 2nd gear (to let it learn). Later I did
this
twice, and got lots of popping and sputtering both times.
I
then assumed that I needed to reduce the plug gaps to .034
or so to
avoid this problem. A few days later I took the car
to the local
dealer to get the tranny linkage adjusted, and the
tech said he noticed I had
a boost controller, and he said it
boosted to 1.2 bar in second gear at 3000
(I bet it was 6000rpm).
Anyway, on the way home, I wound it up to
4500/6500rpm,
in 2nd and no longer got popping and missing; and the
boost
over-shot to 1.18 bar. I have boost programmed to
1.0 bar and 68%
BADC. What do I need to change to keep
the car from going above 1.0
bar? Do I need to reduce the
BADC from 68% to a lower, say 45% or
so? I have info
from this list that supports both BADC numbers.
Thanks in advance for any help in this matter.
Regards,
ptg
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 20 19:19:31 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id TAA16097
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:19:31 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mxout2.cac.washington.edu (mxout2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.4])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id TAA16090
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:19:27 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mailhost2.u.washington.edu (mailhost2.u.washington.edu
[140.142.33.2])
by mxout2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08)
with ESMTP id TAA21844
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 20
Oct 1999 19:19:27 -0700
Received: from u.washington.edu
(cs313-48.spmodem.washington.edu [140.142.175.49])
by
mailhost2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id
TAA00077
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 20 Oct 1999
19:19:26 -0700
Message-ID:
<380E77D6.45A4A7A5@u.washington.edu>
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:17:58
-0700
From: Errin Humphrey <errin@u.washington.edu>
Organization:
University of Washington
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en,ja
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: 3/S Sirius Mailing
List <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Road America
(Supra)
References: <005b01bf1a65$59ad1e40$967cfea9@scooby>
<004401bf1a74$c1efa5e0$e20aa8c0@mikaela>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Mikael
Åkesson wrote:
> You won't gain anything from a singleturbo
setup. The Supra people upgrades
> to a Single turbo because it costs less
with one turbo than two turbos. The
> twin turbo upgrades costs both an
arm and a leg (Ask Jack, he installed some
> HKS twins on a friends Supra
a few weeks ago). The Supras sequential turbos
> works as a single turbo
anyway ,what I mean is that only one turbo at a
> time produce
boost.
The Supra turbos both work together after a certain rpm (3400
rpms
I think). The first turbo works by itself at first, and then at
3400 rpms
the second turbo comes "online" and it shares boost with
the first turbo.
Both turbos are exactly the same size, but the rear turbo
has a slightly
larger compressor wheel.
Most Supra owners who go a big
single complain about streetability.
There is little boost (or ram air
effect) through the low rpms, so low
speed driving suffers. Another
thing they mention is that power can
sometimes come on too quickly with a big
single once it begins to
produce boost. This power "jump" is
usually sufficient to break their
tires loose all of a sudden. This
isn't something you would want to
happen while coming out of a sharp
corner. The thing they say they
like about a big single is that the
power is "very linear" compared to
twins and the boost feels like
it could keep building way past redline.
--Errin Humphrey
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 20 20:22:31 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id UAA17042
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:22:31 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
pclink.com (root@mail.pclink.com [204.72.134.12])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id UAA17035
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:22:27 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from logikit (pm2-13 [206.11.1.85])
by pclink.com
(8.9.2/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA04430;
Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:22:15 -0500
(CDT)
Message-ID: <00d901bf1b73$02524bc0$21010bce@logikit>
From:
"Oskar" <swede@pclink.com>
To: "Paul T. Golley"
<ptgolley@ro.com>
Cc:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<009201bf1b63$408f2b20$8c6186d0@sjiredff>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re:
Another "Last" APEXi Boost Controller Question
Date: Wed, 20 Oct
1999 22:18:51 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Paul,
I see you have had this dilemma for a few days and I
will try to help with
some comments from my experience.
I don't know
if you have the old or new Apex~i. Also I do not know what
your mods
are, but here are my experiences.
1.0 kg/cm2 and 68% BADC is pushing it
with the old Apex~i. It may not work
for all 3/S cars. On the
other hand some people get by with 70% BADC. It
just
depends.
When I ran this with stock exhaust and K&N I got a 10% boost
spike with
these settings. Once I gutted my precats and installed a
testpipe. This
caused the boost spikes to be even higher and I had to
reduce the BADC to
62% to keep boost spikes below 1.10.
You need to
play with the settings to get the desired results. First lower
the BADC
significantly, say 56%, and then increase it until you reach
desired
results. You MAY also have better luck reducing the boost to .95.
After
all you don't want to hurt your engine.
Also it sounds like you have a
peak boost metering device. It is hard to
see 1.18 on a manual boost
gauge. Boost spikes are not visible on a boost
gauge. For people
looking for a peak boost meter I highly recommend the
Blitz dual turbo
timer.
Additionally I think the "learning" should include a WOT
in third gear as
well.
Good luck!
Oskar
'95 R/T TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 20 21:12:47 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id VAA17931
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:12:47 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
pclink.com (root@mail.pclink.com [204.72.134.12])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id VAA17924
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:12:43 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from logikit (pm2-13 [206.11.1.85])
by pclink.com
(8.9.2/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA11439
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:12:40 -0500
(CDT)
Message-ID: <00ea01bf1b7a$0b92e6c0$21010bce@logikit>
From:
"Oskar" <swede@pclink.com>
To: "Team 3S"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<000201bf1a1a$1e88b1d0$408a83d8@RGERL012599_000.peoplesoft.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Resetting the ECU
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:09:17
-0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
How long does it really take? I have heard anything from a few
minutes to
30 minutes. Are there any alternate methods to disconnecting
the negative
battery cable?
Thanks,
Oskar
'95 R/T TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 20 22:19:48 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id WAA18470
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:19:48 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id WAA18463
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:19:45 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from erols.com (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net
[207.172.7.13])
by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id
BAA10884
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999
01:19:43 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <380EA161.AD42321F@erols.com>
Date:
Thu, 21 Oct 1999 01:15:14 -0400
From: Jason Barnhart
<phnxgld@erols.com>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-RR010799 (WinNT;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
CC: Team 3S
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Desperately seeking
synchros...
References:
<000201bf1a1a$1e88b1d0$408a83d8@RGERL012599_000.peoplesoft.com>
<00ea01bf1b7a$0b92e6c0$21010bce@logikit>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Well I'll
be going with a new clutch soon so I figure it's about time I stop
kidding
myself about my synchros. The colder it gets, the worse my 2nd
gear upshift feels.
Even shifting slow, it grinds like crazy when the car is
cold, and I can forget up or
downshifting fast (not speed shifting).
The tranny fluid was replaced with redline a
couple months ago if anyone is
curious.
This leaves me looking for synchros. I absolutely hate
to put factory synchros back
in the car, but I'm left with little choice at
this point. If anyone would have any
synchros to spare, or have a lead
for me, I would GREATLY appreciate it.
thanks in advance,
Jason
94
VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 20 22:21:35 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id WAA18576
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:21:35 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
hotmail.com (law-oe27.hotmail.com [209.185.131.26])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id WAA18569
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:21:32 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (qmail 27963 invoked by uid 65534); 21 Oct 1999 05:21:11
-0000
Message-ID:
<19991021052111.27962.qmail@hotmail.com>
X-Originating-IP:
[216.214.211.182]
From: "Vineet Singh"
<billi_gates@hotmail.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Why don't we get em
MADE! RE: Possible source for synchros?
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:44:54
-0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Hello 3/S land!
Well well well... I was perusing through the
net, and did some research into
QUAIFE. Well they are known to the DSM world
for making expensive but GREAT
center and front differentials. I don't
believe they make ANYTHING for the
AWD 3/S and GTO cars.
As most of us
know first hand, or have heard from many other owners, the
synchro design in
the GETRAG tranny's is either flawed or weak or both (most
likely the
latter). Cars with less than 30,000 miles (50,000km) have been
known to have
shifting problems. This problem only gets worse after the
first
occurance.
Fluid changes (to BG Synchroshift or GM Synchromesh) only help
in a few
cases, and usually don't remedy the situation for very long (this is
my case
as well).
As most of you all know, our GETRAG (AWD only)
tranny's are "not
rebuildable". This is a bunch of baloney in my
opinion. There are people out
there that have the know-how on how to
"rebuild" them,
1) but does it really matter when they can only
find the stock (bad
design/material) parts,
2) or even worse, use
"good" parts (read - USED)
I am pretty sure that it would be
near impossible to find NEW GEARS, but I
am also thinking that the gears have
no real fallacies on their own. Most,
if not ALL the problems lay in the damn
SYNCHRO's.
Well guess what? I called Quaife and talked to them about our
otherwise
excellent cars. I told them about the group we have here, and how
frustrated
some people are with the "getrash" tranny.
The
stock synchro's (I believe) are made out of brass (they are "goldish"
in
color). The person I was talking to said this is quite common, as it is
easy
to mass produce parts out of this soft metal, and it works quite well
w/o
wearing down the gear it meshes with. I don't want to get into the detail
of
how it all works (nor do I pretend to understand it all :), but what he
told
me, made a hell of a lot of sense.
Quiafe has the ability to
produce synchro's for our beloved cars out of
(most likely, they still have
to see them first) "British Steel". He
couldn't explain to me what
this was, but upon some investigation, it seems
like it's steel with a higher
calcium content, which abrades a bit easier
than steel (not as easy as
BRASS), and in the process "lubricates" itself!
He said many
lemans cars use quaife parts, and run long rally races w/o
problems with the
transmissions. Quaife also has experience with other 4wd
systems (that use
transfer cases).
So, with the installed updated synchro's, our tranny's
will be as good (or
better? :) as any others out there, with MUCH fewer
problems. Maybe then we
can find the next weak link(s)?.
Wait...
what's the catch?
These don't exist yet. What we as a group have to do is
this.
1)Quaife needs samples to work from.
b. Used synchro's
are OK, but NEW(ish) are even better
c. They need sets for each
different iteration of the GETRAG AWD TRANNY.
2)They DON'T want to make
(affordably) a set that only works on ONE year's
car
b. They need
to know how many years can a set be applied to.
c. They would like
some hard data on the different years/versions.
3)They can make however, as
many we want.
b. The cost will be determined by the amount of
orders
c. I told them 30-100 sets of a mix of years. They said between
$500 and
$1000 (EACH SET of 5-6 rings)
If we can get more than that
(I'm SURE that there are more than that many
AWD owners out there) then the
price will be closer to $500. For their other
applications, synchros are
between $90 and $200 EACH.
I know that Jack T. could aquire (somehow! :)
some of them, and maybe he
knows more about the different year's and
differences.
I know that $500-1000 sounds like a lot, but think of how
sweet and complete
your car (and mine :) would be with a properly working
transmission?! One
that didn't embarass you at every stop light, or one that
let you drop it
into the gear you REALLY wanted around that curve. Just
remember, $500-1000
doesn't even cover replacement turbo's, so in reality, it
isn't THAT bad.
One request, (by the person I talked to) please do not
flood them with
questions. Until they have our synchro's in hand (and even
better, a WHOLE
tranny), nothing I said can be verified.
Even if your
transmission doesn't have a problem (yet), it would be a good
idea to update
the synchro's (when and if they become available) as soon as
it does start to
grind.
If you want to know more about anything I talked about, here are a
couple of
pertinant links. Thanks for listening, let's make this happen
guys/gals!
For more info on HOW a synchromesh transmission works can be
found here,
http://www.csn.ul.ie/~lavelles/synchro.html
More info on
Quaife as a company is
here,
http://www.quaife.co.uk/info/index.htm
This was posted to the
larger Starnet list, maybe it will get a better
response on the tech list. I
posted it here because of this post below,
From: Klusmanp@aol.com
<Klusmanp@aol.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Monday, October 18, 1999 5:29
PM
Subject: Team3S: Possible source for synchros?
The Quaife
engineering team makes excellent components....for select cars.
I dont beleve
they'll make any parts for our cars unless there is enough
demand in the
marketplace to warrant
production.
Maybe we can bug 'em for
some?
Noble
>Saw an ad for this importer of drive train
components. Quaife engineering
>offers complete gear sets for various cars
- didn't see 3000GT/Stealth
>listed, but I did see diff. sets for
Eclipse/Talon/Laser cars.
>
>check it
out:
>
>http://www.autotech.com/qpsnew.htm
>
>This
outfit might be able to supply synchros after the current supply
dries
>up? (Jack Tertadian is the only other source I know of - he uses
some
amazing
>sort of diplomacy to sneak synchros directly from Getrag
for us)
>
>Paul Klusman
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Wed Oct 20 22:33:11 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
WAA18708
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:33:11 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from spool.webzone.net (mta@mail.webzone.net
[205.219.23.67])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
WAA18701
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 20 Oct 1999
22:33:08 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from benson ([208.137.187.77]) by
spool.webzone.net
(post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-12689) with SMTP id
AAA4811
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:33:04 -0500
Message-ID:
<002a01bf1b80$2a3148a0$10c9c9c9@benson>
From: "Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell" <benson@2015.com>
To: "3000GT
Mailing" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Why
don't we get em MADE! RE: Possible source for synchros?
Date: Wed, 20 Oct
1999 23:53:03 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Would this be only for the AWD turbo versions, or the non-turbo's as
well?
I have a non-turbo and it really pisses me off when I'm performance
driving
and I've got my shifting timing patern down, and *GGRRRUUUUCCNCNGNH*
as it
didn't fully or properly engage while upshifting.
Latufh fuh
U,
Benson
benson@2015.com
"-Do you ever have second
thoughts?
-When do I ever have first thoughts?"
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 21 00:34:05 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id AAA20462
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:34:05 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id AAA20448
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:34:01 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from RGERL012599 (216.131.135.126) by newmail.spectraweb.ch;
21 Oct 1999 09:30:21 +0200
Message-ID:
<003201bf1b96$c2ebc960$7e8783d8@RGERL012599_000.peoplesoft.com>
Reply-To:
"R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "Oskar" <swede@pclink.com>,
"Team 3S" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Resetting the ECU
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:26:22
+0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3110.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
>How long does it really take? I have heard anything from a
few minutes to
>30 minutes. Are there any alternate methods to
disconnecting the negative
>battery cable?
In reality the internal
capacitor in the ECU loses the power after 30
seconds and the memory get's
cleared. Over the period, they installed a
newer version of microcontroller
that has an additional capacitor on the
chip and therefore hold the memory
soemwhat longer. My experience is that 5
minutes is enough for
sure.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Thu Oct 21 00:34:08 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
AAA20470
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:34:08 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch
[194.158.230.44])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
AAA20455
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999
00:34:03 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from RGERL012599 (216.131.135.126) by
newmail.spectraweb.ch; 21 Oct 1999 09:30:23 +0200
Message-ID:
<003301bf1b96$c4066120$7e8783d8@RGERL012599_000.peoplesoft.com>
Reply-To:
"R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Possible source
for synchros?
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:31:57 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3110.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
If you can provide me with the exact MD numbers I can shop around.
They told
me that they can get everything (!!) for the tranny but I have to
provide
the real numbers, or at least the drawing to identify the parts. But,
be
prepared to pay $$$
Let me know,
Roger
93'3000GT
TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 21 04:07:49 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id EAA22277
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:07:49 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
riven.plaza.ds.adp.com ([139.126.16.128])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id EAA22270
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:07:45 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from exchange04.plaza.ds.adp.com ([139.126.124.14]) by
riven.plaza.ds.adp.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA13400; Thu, 21 Oct 1999
04:09:06 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by exchange04.plaza.ds.adp.com with Internet
Mail Service (5.5.2232.9)
id <45YHA689>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:08:12
-0700
Message-ID:
<2B6D2E7F9E0AD311AB0500805FB7ECD00F41A8@EXCHANGE01>
From: Chris Winkley
<cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
To: "'Jason Barnhart'"
<phnxgld@erols.com>
Cc: Team 3S
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Desperately
seeking synchros...
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 03:13:12 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Jason...
You may have just joined our list, or have missed
the series of postings on
the subject, but Jack T has been in the process of
coordinating a purchase
of parts from Getrag between the middle of July of
this year and the end of
September. To the best of my knowledge, he is done
with this purchase and
has collected money (there were twenty-two of us who
got in on this
purchase) from all of us. Jack's e-address is:
"xwing@execpc.com" in case
you want to talk to him about
availability at this late date.
Looking
forward...Chris
FWIW...here's the information Jack required back in
July...
<snip from Jack T>
If anybody wants to order synchro
sets + gears (it is actually better
to replace the gear which grinds going
into it also, new info)
EMAIL REPLY TO ME PERSONALLY with
info:
1) Your REAL FULL NAME, address, phone #, and email
address
2) year/make car,/speeds in your TWIN TURBO's trans (5 or
6)
3) which you want:
a) 1-2 synchro assembly (fixes
1-->2 upshift grind)
b) 3-4 synchro assembly
c)
5-Reverse synchro assembly (if 5 speed; almost nobody ever has
problems
here!)
d) 5-6 synchro assembly (if 6 speed; almost nobody ever has
problem
here!)
e) 2nd gear (would help fix upshift to 2nd grind,
WITH 1-2 assy above)
e) 3rd gear (would help fix upshift to 3rd grind,
WITH 3-4 assy above)
f) 4th gear (would help fix upshift to 4th grind,
WITH 3-4 assy above)
g) MAYBE can get output shaft from trans, would
NEED to tell
me large or small shaft, do NOT ASK ME WHICH YOU
HAVE--see
above re: understanding what you are buying!
<end of snip from Jack
T>
-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Barnhart
[mailto:phnxgld@erols.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 10:15 PM
Cc:
Team 3S
Subject: Team3S: Desperately seeking synchros...
Well I'll be going with a new clutch soon so I figure it's about time I
stop
kidding
myself about my synchros. The colder it gets, the worse my 2nd
gear upshift
feels.
Even shifting slow, it grinds like crazy when the car
is cold, and I can
forget up or
downshifting fast (not speed
shifting). The tranny fluid was replaced with
redline a
couple
months ago if anyone is curious.
This leaves me looking for
synchros. I absolutely hate to put factory
synchros back
in the car,
but I'm left with little choice at this point. If anyone would
have
any
synchros to spare, or have a lead for me, I would GREATLY appreciate
it.
thanks in advance,
Jason
94 VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Thu Oct 21 07:52:14 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
HAA24426
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 07:52:14 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from wiesbaden.netsurf.de (nero.wiesbaden.netsurf.de
[194.163.168.140])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id
HAA24419
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999
07:52:11 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from wiesbaden.netsurf.de by
wiesbaden.netsurf.de with esmtp
(Smail3.2.0.95 #28) id m11eJgv-001leUC; Thu,
21 Oct 1999 15:59:45 +0100 (MET)
Message-ID:
<380F3844.A2DA0EA6@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999
16:59:00 +0100
From: Matthews
<matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en,ja
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Team 3S Tech List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: transaxle and xfer
case check
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Today I put my
Stealth up on the lift to install new Abex brake pads in
the front, unseize
the active exhaust valve, change the engine
oil/filter, fix a flat tire
(which coincidentally happened on the way to
the shop!), etc.
While I
was under there, I decided to check the transaxle and xfer case
fluid
levels. The first thing I noticed was a small amount of green
liquid on
the bottom of the transaxle. There wasn't much, but enough to
see that
it seemed to come from higher up towards the back of the
transaxle
case. Please tell me there is some kind of breather or
overflow hole up
there and that this is normal! Otherwise, is there
anything I can
do? I checked the bolts holding the two halves of the
case together and
they're all tight.
I checked the level through the fill hole by sticking
my finger in
almost as far as it would go so that I reached the top of the
resevoir.
Luckily, I got my finger back out (almost didn't - kind of like
a
Chinese finger puzzle!) and found clean, green fluid just shy of full.
So if it's leaking, then it hasn't lost much - yet.
Then I moved on
to the xfer case. My manual shows a drain bolt
(bottom), fill bolt
(front) and inspection bolt (side), but I could not
find the inspection
bolt. Was it eliminated with the 2nd gen xfer
cases? I have the
'94 shop manual but perhaps it wasn't updated.
Anyway, I checked the level
via the fill hole and it was perhaps
1/4-1/2" below the bottom of the
hole. The fluid was also pretty
dirty... I seem to remember Extreme
Motorsports replacing it with
Shockproof Light (yes, I know it's GL-5 - I
wanted MTL, but they
insisted) 30k miles ago. Isn't that the pink
stuff? Maybe I'm thinking
of the Shockproof Heavy they put in the
diff. At any rate, there was no
sign of pink in my xfer
case.
So... what should I do, if anything? Do I need to take it in
to have
the dealer replace a transaxle seal? Should I replace the
fluids
again? TIA...
-Jim
P.S.- A story about the flat
tire... First, I noticed that the boost
gauge was higher than normal when
cruising and that maintaining speed
required more gas. I also noticed
that the usual xfer case whine I hear
when decelerating continued even when I
pushed in the clutch! Expecting
the worst (like the square xfer case
bearings someone posted about last
week), I slowed and pulled over to the
right-most lane of the Autobahn
(hey, it doesn't happen often, gimme a
break!) just as the car began
handling very poorly. Now thinking that
the infamous four-wheel lockup
of the xfer case was going to send me
careening into the trees at any
moment, it was an adrenaline-filled moment
when I finally pulled into
the next service station, a big, new Esso
(Exxon). Of course it was
here that I was relieved to find that it was
just the tire, but the
experience continued! I found that a screw had
become lodged in the
center of the tread and decided to just pump up the tire
and drive the
short distance remaining to the shop to plug it there. So
I pull up to
the luftstation where I was pleased to find that they had a
regular air
hose like those in the states (those of you who have been
subjected to
the German portable air canisters can relate, I'm sure).
So I take the
nozzle end of the hose and put it up to the tire stem only to
realize
that there was no air! Walk back to the air pump and there are
two
buttons, one to send air through the hose, the other to bleed air
back
out. Problem is, the pump is fifteen feet from the damn
tire! What is
that? I stood there for five minutes in disbelief
before spending an
equally frustrating amount of time recruiting a
non-English speaking
German to help. What a way to start the
day...
--
Jim Matthews - Wiesbaden,
Germany
matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (64 Kbps
ISDN)
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews
*** 3000GT-Stealth
International (3Si) Member #0030
***
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews/stealth.html
Jet Black '94
Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension,
Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 72%
BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark
plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
Metal Matrix brake pads, custom braided
brake lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 168mph
G-Tech
Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 406 SAE
HP, 354 lb-ft torque
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 21 08:09:02 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id IAA24895
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:09:02 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc2.occa.home.com [24.2.8.66])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id IAA24888
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:08:59 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from cx221247a ([24.8.141.25]) by
mail.rdc2.occa.home.com
(InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with
SMTP
id
<19991021150858.VTRB8534.mail.rdc2.occa.home.com@cx221247a>
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:08:58 -0700
Message-ID:
<000801bf1bd5$885f6380$198d0818@msnv1.occa.home.com>
From: "Jim
Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
To: "team 3si"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: - 1992 Dodge Stealth
Twin Turbo
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:04:11 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
multipart/mixed;
boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF1B9A.DBBD6800"
X-Priority:
3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express
5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
This is a multi-part message in MIME
format.
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF1B9A.DBBD6800
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
Still looks like a hell of a buy --- likely to go up in the last few
hours though.
Jim
berry
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=181820401
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF1B9A.DBBD6800
Content-Type:
application/octet-stream;
name="eBay item 181820401 (Ends 10-21-99,
171309 PDT) - 1992 Dodge Stealth Twin Turbo - NO
RESERVE.url"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition:
attachment;
filename="eBay item 181820401 (Ends 10-21-99, 171309 PDT) -
1992 Dodge Stealth Twin Turbo - NO
RESERVE.url"
[DEFAULT]
BASEURL=http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=181820401
[InternetShortcut]
URL=http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=181820401
Modified=C0041330D51BBF01B7
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF1B9A.DBBD6800--
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 21 08:30:39 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id IAA25133
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:30:39 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
rearstage.andysaudio.com (rearstage.andysaudio.com [206.132.13.13])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id IAA25126
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:30:35 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from localhost (andy@localhost)
by
rearstage.andysaudio.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08394;
Thu, 21 Oct
1999 08:29:41 -0400
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:29:41 -0400 (EDT)
From:
"Andrew C. Ohnstad" <andy@andysaudio.com>
To: Rick Diogo
<rick@ceo-consulting.com>
cc:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Parts for sale- turbos
and intercoolers
In-Reply-To:
<4.2.0.58.19991020133704.009921e0@192.168.1.1>
Message-ID:
<Pine.LNX.4.10.9910210827010.5822-100000@rearstage.andysaudio.com>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Bah, This
post has me thinking bad bad thoughts. I 'ver got an SL.
Assuming one
could buy all the parts of the turbo system from Mitsu or
hauled off of VR4's
how much of a pain in the arse would it be to turbo
charge the car?
Or
am I really better off just selling it for a VR4 of the same
vintage?
=-=Andrew
"Traveling At The Speed of Thought" ---
Teenage FanClub
'94 Mitsubishi 3000 GT -- Eclipse, Boston Acoustics, Rockford
Power
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Rick Diogo wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am new to this list and this is my first post. I have just been
reading
> what others have said. There seems to be a few very
knowledgeable guys on
> this list. Thanks for all the great
info!
>
> I am selling a pair of brand new turbos for a 94 R/T
TT. They are brand
> new in the box from Mitsu (not remans) and
have never been installed in a
> vehicle. Best reasonable
offer over $1,000 gets them. I am looking to
> get just enough to
purchase the ARC2 from GT-Pro. So if someone wants to
> trade for
that instead I would even be willing to do that too.
>
> Like I
said, the turbos are brand new in the box. They list for
>
$2,861.00 for the pair. I was told that they will fit 91-96 R/T TT's
and
> Vr-4's.
>
> I also have my original stock intercoolers
and all the original piping and
> hoses from my 94 TT. If anyone is
interested in these parts please let me
> know ASAP. I will let the
intercoolers and all piping go for $700. I
> think when I called
the dealer these parts (collectively) listed for more
> than some
complete used cars cost.
>
> Take Care,
>
> Rick
Diogo
> 94 Stealth TT
> 6 speed, climate control A/C
> Pearl
Yellow w/factory Dodge Chrome wheels
>
> For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 21 08:38:58 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id IAA25225
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:38:58 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
exchange1.bigcharts.com (exchange1.BigCharts.com [206.146.143.5])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id IAA25218
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:38:54 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id
<VDH4SWHX>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:38:51 -0500
Message-ID:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F764B@EXCHANGE1>
From: Matt Jannusch
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Parts for sale- turbos and intercoolers
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999
10:38:41 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="windows-1252"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> Bah,
This post has me thinking bad bad thoughts. I 'ver got an SL.
>
Assuming one could buy all the parts of the turbo system from Mitsu or
>
hauled off of VR4's how much of a pain in the arse would it
> be to turbo
charge the car?
Need: exhaust manifolds, pre-cats, downpipe, turbos,
intake piping, turbo ECU, intercoolers and piping, BOV, boost control parts, oil
and water feeds for turbos, oilpan with turbo oil drainback connections, turbo
fuel pressure regulator, fuel pump....... Injectors?
> Or am I
really better off just selling it for a VR4 of the
> same
vintage?
Better off selling... Unless you went with lower
compression pistons, you couldn't run nearly the boost that the turbo cars are
running. You could maybe get away with 8 psi (around 300hp), but now
you've got a high-powered FWD car which will probably have pretty bad torque
steer when the turbos spool up, or massive wheelspin as the front differential
on these cars is open (non-limited-slip).
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder
VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 21 08:47:59 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id IAA25505
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:47:59 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
spool.webzone.net (mta@mail.webzone.net [205.219.23.67])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id IAA25498
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:47:56 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from benson ([208.137.187.77]) by
spool.webzone.net
(post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-12689) with SMTP id
AAA24482
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:47:52 -0500
Message-ID:
<000d01bf1bd6$0ece0fc0$10c9c9c9@benson>
From: "Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell" <benson@2015.com>
To: "3000GT
Mailing" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Parts for sale- turbos and intercoolers
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:07:55
-0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
get a new VR-4, the engine requires modifications to work with the
turbo's.
Plus you won't get the AWD without major changes as well.
Figure dumping
about $8000 - $10000 (or more) to convert the non-turbo to a
turbo. I've
been researching it and asking around for a while and it's
just not worth
it. Granted, you can get the non-turbo's up to about 300
- 320 hp without
nitrous mind ya, but of course it's still not as good as the
TT ;).
Latufh fuh U,
Benson
benson@2015.com
"-Do
you ever have second thoughts?
-When do I ever have first
thoughts?"
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 21 09:17:00 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA26151
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:17:00 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
rearstage.andysaudio.com (rearstage.andysaudio.com [206.132.13.13])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id JAA26144
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:16:56 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from localhost (andy@localhost)
by
rearstage.andysaudio.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16053
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:16:24 -0400
Date:
Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:16:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Andrew C. Ohnstad"
<andy@andysaudio.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Team3S: VR4-AWS?
Message-ID:
<Pine.LNX.4.10.9910210915370.5822-100000@rearstage.andysaudio.com>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Settle an
argument please, oh gurus....
Does the VR4 have all wheel steering, or
just all wheel drive?
=-=Andrew
"Traveling At The Speed of
Thought" --- Teenage FanClub
'94 Mitsubishi 3000 GT -- Eclipse, Boston
Acoustics, Rockford Power
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 21 09:38:25 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA26809
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:38:25 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.swissonline.ch (mail.swissonline.ch [62.2.32.83])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id JAA26802
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:38:21 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from swissonline.ch (unk-131-135-126.peoplesoft.com
[216.131.135.126] (may be forged))
by mail.swissonline.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with
ESMTP id SAA10578
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct
1999 18:38:19 +0200 (MET DST)
Message-ID:
<380F41AC.23F05428@swissonline.ch>
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 18:39:08
+0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Organization:
Peoplesoft Switzerland / Office
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: VR4-AWS?
References:
<Pine.LNX.4.10.9910210915370.5822-100000@rearstage.andysaudio.com>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
All VR4 / TT do
have AWS. This is totally enclosed in the chassis construction
and part of
the whole system.
> Does the VR4 have all wheel steering, or just all
wheel drive?
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Thu Oct 21 09:40:31 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
JAA26996
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:40:31 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from olie.appweb.com (www.appweb.com [165.90.182.66])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id JAA26989
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:40:27 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from summitmicro.com (unverified [206.170.2.82]) by
olie.appweb.com
(Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.2.0) with ESMTP id
<B0001149031@olie.appweb.com>;
Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:42:55
-0700
Message-ID: <380F41F9.802E8A59@summitmicro.com>
Date: Thu, 21
Oct 1999 09:40:25 -0700
From: "Dr. John A. Tabler"
<jtabler@summitmicro.com>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: "Andrew C.
Ohnstad" <andy@andysaudio.com>
CC:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: VR4-AWS?
References:
<Pine.LNX.4.10.9910210915370.5822-100000@rearstage.andysaudio.com>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Andrew,
I've got a 92 VR4, and it is AWD and AWS. (I
looked underneath to be sure ! :) The
extra power steering stuff is
quite obvious when you look.
The '92 service manual says the following
about testing the AWS: Raise the car on a
lift so that all four wheels
clear the floor. Have someone put the car in gear
and
"accelerate" to 50 MPH. Now turn the steering wheel
sharply, and the steering action
of the rear wheels can be
observed.
Three points about the AWS.
1) it
seems to only kick in above 50 MPH
2) it is "same
phase", i.e. the rear wheels turn the same way as the
front.
3) the rear wheel steering is
subtle
JAT
"Andrew C. Ohnstad" wrote:
> Settle an
argument please, oh gurus....
>
> Does the VR4 have all wheel
steering, or just all wheel drive?
>
> =-=Andrew
>
"Traveling At The Speed of Thought" --- Teenage FanClub
> '94
Mitsubishi 3000 GT -- Eclipse, Boston Acoustics, Rockford Power
>
>
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Thu Oct 21 10:05:52 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
KAA27884
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:05:52 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com
[205.231.101.196])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
KAA27877
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999
10:05:48 -0700 (PDT)
Received: (from nxiong@juno.com)
by
m8.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EPGHU4AR; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:01:20 EDT
To:
errin@u.washington.edu
Cc: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Date: Wed, 20
Oct 1999 13:04:29 -0700
Subject: Re: Team3S: Road America
(Supra)
Message-ID:
<19991020.130430.-312059.0.nxiong@juno.com>
X-Mailer: Juno
3.0.13
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Juno-Line-Breaks:
2,8-10,12-15,17-19,21,23,25,27-30,32-55
X-Juno-Att: 0
X-Juno-RefParts:
0
From: Nick Xiong <nxiong@juno.com>
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Actually the 2nd
turbo doesn't come on until about 4300-4500 rpms, but
when it comes online,
HOLD ON FOR DEAR LIFE!!! :-) but yes they BOTH
work together to produce
that killer top end...
Most Supra owners agree that a properly sized BIG
SINGLE will do just as
well if not better than a twin setup (let alone the
diff in $$$$). In
fact there is a debate right now about the best BIG
SINGLE to get. The 2
that stand out are the RPS T-66 and HKS
Ts04. The T-66 is a consistent
10 sec runner (as seen in Christian
Raldo's car, he's on the MK4 list).
Christian produces 650 rwhp and over 600
ft-lbs of torgue on turbo alone.
99% of the fast Supras run
singles...
A big single in a VR4 would be interesting indeed (hope it
doesn't scrape
too much :-)....
...never heard of a single in a 300ZX...
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:17:58 -0700 Errin
Humphrey
<errin@u.washington.edu> writes:
> Mikael Åkesson
wrote:>
> > You won't gain anything from a singleturbo setup. The
Supra people
> upgrades> > to a Single turbo because it costs less
with one turbo than
two
> turbos. The> > twin turbo upgrades
costs both an arm and a leg (Ask
Jack, he
> installed some> >
HKS twins on a friends Supra a few weeks ago). The
Supras
> sequential
turbos> > works as a single turbo anyway ,what I mean is
that only one
turbo > at a> > time produce boost.
>
> The Supra
turbos both work together after a certain rpm (3400 rpms
> I think).
The first turbo works by itself at first, and then at
> 3400 rpms> the
second turbo comes "online" and it shares boost with the
first
> turbo.
> Both turbos are exactly the same size, but the rear
turbo has a
> slightly
> larger compressor wheel.
>
>
Most Supra owners who go a big single complain about streetability.
>
There is little boost (or ram air effect) through the low rpms, so
>
low
> speed driving suffers. Another thing they mention is that
power can
> sometimes come on too quickly with a big single once it begins
to
> produce boost. This power "jump" is usually
sufficient to break
> their
> tires loose all of a sudden.
This isn't something you would want to
> happen while coming out of a
sharp corner. The thing they say they
> like about a big single is
that the power is "very linear" compared
> to
> twins and
the boost feels like it could keep building way past
> redline.
>
> --Errin Humphrey
>
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is
>
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
___________________________________________________________________
Get
the Internet just the way you want it.
Free software, free e-mail, and free
Internet access for a month!
Try Juno Web:
http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Thu Oct 21 10:15:25 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
KAA28000
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:15:25 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail.inlink.com (IDENT:0@mail.inlink.com
[206.196.96.4])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
KAA27993
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999
10:15:21 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from wdavi
(216.87.42.176.dialup-stl.primary.net [216.87.42.176])
by mail.inlink.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3/Inlink) with SMTP id MAA29639;
Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:15:05
-0500
Message-ID: <000901bf1be6$d2c64360$e76401c8@twacs.com>
From:
"Bill Davis" <wjdavis@inlink.com>
To: "Andrew C.
Ohnstad"
<andy@andysaudio.com>,
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<Pine.LNX.4.10.9910210915370.5822-100000@rearstage.andysaudio.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: VR4-AWS?
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:07:18 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Both.
Bill Davis 95 VR-4
----- Original Message
-----
From: Andrew C. Ohnstad <andy@andysaudio.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 1999 8:16
AM
Subject: Team3S: VR4-AWS?
> Settle an argument please, oh
gurus....
>
> Does the VR4 have all wheel steering, or just all
wheel drive?
>
> =-=Andrew
> "Traveling At The Speed of
Thought" --- Teenage FanClub
> '94 Mitsubishi 3000 GT -- Eclipse,
Boston Acoustics, Rockford Power
>
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 21 10:40:14 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id KAA28354
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:40:14 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
post2.fast.net (post2.fast.net [198.69.204.22])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id KAA28335
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:40:09 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from shit (maxtnt10-abe-211.fast.net [209.92.15.211])
by
post2.fast.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA22808
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:40:06 -0400
(EDT)
From: "Scotty" <omnitech@Fast.net>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: VR4-AWS?
Date:
Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:40:16 -0400
Message-ID:
<LOBBLALNGKJICNDLFAKFOEIFCAAA.omnitech@Fast.net>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer:
Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)
X-MimeOLE: Produced By
Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200
Importance: Normal
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Both Stealth RT
TT and 3000 GT TT have AWS & AWD
AWD 55% at the rear wheels and 45% at
the front wheels. that's with out
traction loss.
AWS activates above 30
MPH and will only move the real wheels 1.5 degrees
Scotty
92 RT
TT
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On
Behalf Of Andrew C.
Ohnstad
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 1999 9:16
AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S:
VR4-AWS?
Settle an argument please, oh gurus....
Does the VR4
have all wheel steering, or just all wheel
drive?
=-=Andrew
"Traveling At The Speed of Thought" ---
Teenage FanClub
'94 Mitsubishi 3000 GT -- Eclipse, Boston Acoustics, Rockford
Power
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Thu Oct 21 13:03:58 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
NAA00203
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:03:58 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail.iconz.co.nz (oldmail.iconz.co.nz
[202.14.100.36])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
NAA00196
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999
13:03:54 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [192.173.20.11] (mail.hnz.co.nz
[192.173.20.11])
by mail.iconz.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id
JAA108250940536237
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct
1999 09:03:58 +1300 (NZDT)
Received: from hiscorpxy01.hnz.co.nz by
[192.173.20.11]
via
smtpd (for mail.iconz.co.nz [210.48.22.36]) with SMTP; 21 Oct 1999 20:00:06
UT
Received: FROM hufin0.hnz.co.nz BY hiscorpxy01.hnz.co.nz ; Fri Oct 22
09:01:16 1999 +1300
Received: from HISCOREXH01.hnz.co.nz
(hiscorcl101.hnz.co.nz [10.24.5.33]) by hufin0.hnz.co.nz with ESMTP (8.8.6
(PHNE_14041)/8.7.1) id JAA09796; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:02:03 +1300
(NZDT)
Received: by hiscorexh01.hnz.co.nz with Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
id <T8VDBR1T>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:02:33
+1300
Message-ID:
<EEC2CC632763D3118D39080009DCD4D30599CC@hiscorexh01.hnz.co.nz>
From:
Kevin Clark <Kevin.Clark@hnz.co.nz>
To: "'Oskar'"
<swede@pclink.com>
Cc: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Resetting the ECU
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:02:32
+1300
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> Are there
any alternate methods to disconnecting
> the negative battery
cable?
Some have suggested the easiest way is to pull the
dome light
fuse (controls alarm, disk changer and
interior lights).
I have not
tested this, but maybe others know ?
Cheers,
Kevin Clark
'91
GTO-VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 21 13:15:17 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id NAA00440
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:15:17 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.iconz.co.nz (oldmail.iconz.co.nz [202.14.100.36])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id NAA00433
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:15:13 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from [192.173.20.11] (mail.hnz.co.nz [192.173.20.11])
by
mail.iconz.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA147260940536934
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:15:34 +1300
(NZDT)
Received: from hiscorpxy01.hnz.co.nz by
[192.173.20.11]
via
smtpd (for mail.iconz.co.nz [210.48.22.36]) with SMTP; 21 Oct 1999 20:11:43
UT
Received: FROM hufin0.hnz.co.nz BY hiscorpxy01.hnz.co.nz ; Fri Oct 22
09:13:05 1999 +1300
Received: from HISCOREXH01.hnz.co.nz
(hiscorcl101.hnz.co.nz [10.24.5.33]) by hufin0.hnz.co.nz with ESMTP (8.8.6
(PHNE_14041)/8.7.1) id JAA10372 for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri,
22 Oct 1999 09:13:51 +1300 (NZDT)
Received: by hiscorexh01.hnz.co.nz with
Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id <T8VDBRGK>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999
09:14:21 +1300
Message-ID:
<EEC2CC632763D3118D39080009DCD4D30599CD@hiscorexh01.hnz.co.nz>
From:
Kevin Clark <Kevin.Clark@hnz.co.nz>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: VR4-AWS?
Date: Fri, 22
Oct 1999 09:14:20 +1300
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> Both
Stealth RT TT and 3000 GT TT have AWS & AWD
> AWD 55% at the rear
wheels and 45% at the front wheels.
I have also heard that the '91-93
models actually had
a 40/60 split and that it was not until the
'94-99
that the cars came with a 45/55 split...
Does anyone know if
the above is correct?
Cheers,
Kevin Clark
'91 GTO-VR4
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 21 13:26:13 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id NAA00639
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:26:13 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
exchange1.bigcharts.com (exchange1.BigCharts.com [206.146.143.5])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id NAA00632
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:26:09 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id
<VDH4SYZQ>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 15:26:04 -0500
Message-ID:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7651@EXCHANGE1>
From: Matt Jannusch
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE:
Team3S: VR4-AWS?
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 15:26:03 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> > Both
Stealth RT TT and 3000 GT TT have AWS & AWD
> > AWD 55% at the rear
wheels and 45% at the front wheels.
>
> I have also heard that the
'91-93 models actually had
> a 40/60 split and that it was not until the
'94-99
> that the cars came with a 45/55 split...
>
> Does
anyone know if the above is correct?
These are the correct numbers.
It was changed in '94 when the 6-speed Getrag was
introduced.
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 21 14:38:42 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id OAA01898
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:38:42 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.swissonline.ch (mail.swissonline.ch [62.2.32.83])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id OAA01891
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:38:38 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from swissonline.ch (pop-zh-12-2-dialup-58.freesurf.ch
[194.230.199.58])
by mail.swissonline.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id
XAA01219
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999
23:38:34 +0200 (MET DST)
Message-ID:
<380F8777.80726369@swissonline.ch>
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:36:55
+0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Reply-To:
robby@swissonline.ch
Organization: Behind the frontier
X-Mailer: Mozilla
4.6 [en]C-QXW0310a (Win98; I)
X-Accept-Language: de,
en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re:
Team3S: VR4-AWS?
References:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7651@EXCHANGE1>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> > I have
also heard that the '91-93 models actually had
> > a 40/60 split and
that it was not until the '94-99
> > that the cars came with a 45/55
split...
> >
> > Does anyone know if the above is
correct?
>
> These are the correct numbers. It was changed in
'94 when the 6-speed Getrag was introduced.
Therefore we have another
difference between the Euro and US cars. All Eu cars
do have the 45/55 split
as stated on my euro shop manual.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 21 14:55:13 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id OAA02207
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:55:13 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
hotmail.com (law2-f23.hotmail.com [216.32.181.23])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id OAA02200
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:55:03 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (qmail 31769 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 1999 21:54:41
-0000
Message-ID: <19991021215441.31768.qmail@hotmail.com>
Received:
from 63.11.52.25 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP;
Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:54:40
PDT
X-Originating-IP: [63.11.52.25]
From: "Curt Gendron"
<curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: VR4-AWS?
Date: Thu, 21
Oct 1999 16:54:40 CDT
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
format=flowed
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Kevin is exactly right. The ratio did change in 94. So
far everything is
this discussion has been correct, except for one
thing. The 95-96 Stealth
TT did NOT have AWS. And if anyone
doesn't believe me they can drive to
Minnesota and I'll line up a
94,95, and 96 Stealth TT and show you the
difference.
;)
later,
Curt
http://www.mn3s.org
>From: Kevin
Clark <Kevin.Clark@hnz.co.nz>
>To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>Subject: RE: Team3S: VR4-AWS?
>Date:
Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:14:20 +1300
>
> > Both Stealth RT TT and 3000
GT TT have AWS & AWD
> > AWD 55% at the rear wheels and 45% at the
front wheels.
>
>I have also heard that the '91-93 models actually
had
>a 40/60 split and that it was not until the '94-99
>that the
cars came with a 45/55 split...
>
>Does anyone know if the above is
correct?
>
>Cheers,
>Kevin Clark
>'91 GTO-VR4
>For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
>http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
______________________________________________________
Get
Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Thu Oct 21 14:59:15 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
OAA02283
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:59:15 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail.swissonline.ch (mail.swissonline.ch
[62.2.32.83])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
OAA02276
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999
14:59:10 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from swissonline.ch
(pop-zh-3-dialup-35.freesurf.ch [194.230.202.35])
by mail.swissonline.ch
(8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12000
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:59:06 +0200 (MET
DST)
Message-ID: <380F8C07.D56E7411@swissonline.ch>
Date: Thu, 21
Oct 1999 23:56:23 +0200
From: "R.G."
<robby@swissonline.ch>
Reply-To: robby@swissonline.ch
Organization:
Behind the frontier
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-QXW0310a (Win98;
I)
X-Accept-Language: de, en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Off topic : 95'Stealth TT
pricing
References:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7651@EXCHANGE1>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I'm very sorry
about the off-topic but I just found an add in the newspaper :
Red
95'Stealth TT, 44k miles, US imported to Switz., mint
condition
$20'000
I never shoped around so I'm not familiar with the
market price. Is this too
much compared to the US or just what the market
says ?
Please reply privately ;-)
Thanks in
advance,
Roger
93'3000GT TT
maybe ....
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Thu Oct 21 15:01:12 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
PAA02367
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 15:01:12 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f238.hotmail.com
[216.32.181.238])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id
PAA02360
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999
15:01:09 -0700 (PDT)
Received: (qmail 10457 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 1999
22:00:49 -0000
Message-ID:
<19991021220049.10456.qmail@hotmail.com>
Received: from 63.11.52.25 by
www.hotmail.com with HTTP;
Thu, 21 Oct 1999 15:00:48 PDT
X-Originating-IP:
[63.11.52.25]
From: "Curt Gendron"
<curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: transaxle and xfer case
check
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:00:48 CDT
Mime-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hey
Jim,
The picture in the newer manuals are incorrect for the transfer
case. The
picture they show is the 91-93 transfer case. They
have three plugs. The
94+ iron transfer cases only have two plugs,
drain and
fill/check.
later,
Curt
http://www.mn3s.org
>From:
Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
>To: Team 3S Tech List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
>Subject: Team3S: transaxle and
xfer case check
>Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:59:00
+0100
>
>Then I moved on to the xfer case. My manual shows
a drain bolt
>(bottom), fill bolt (front) and inspection bolt (side), but
I could not
>find the inspection bolt. Was it eliminated with the
2nd gen xfer
>cases? I have the '94 shop manual but perhaps it
wasn't
updated.
______________________________________________________
Get
Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Thu Oct 21 15:01:46 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
PAA02428
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 15:01:46 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail.swissonline.ch (mail.swissonline.ch
[62.2.32.83])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
PAA02421
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999
15:01:42 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from swissonline.ch
(pop-zh-3-dialup-35.freesurf.ch [194.230.202.35])
by mail.swissonline.ch
(8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14143
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:01:39 +0200 (MET
DST)
Message-ID: <380F8CE2.C9139D6F@swissonline.ch>
Date: Fri, 22
Oct 1999 00:00:02 +0200
From: "R.G."
<robby@swissonline.ch>
Reply-To: robby@swissonline.ch
Organization:
Behind the frontier
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-QXW0310a (Win98;
I)
X-Accept-Language: de, en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: VR4-AWS?
References:
<19991021215441.31768.qmail@hotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Curt, can you
please take a pic of the rear double wishbones and parts of such a
car ? And
are you sure that they don't have AWS ? I ask because I was told they
dropped
the active suspension and I want to make sure you didn't mixed the
stuff
;-)
Let us know !
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 21 16:43:23 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id QAA03737
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:43:23 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id QAA03729
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:43:05 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from erols.com (216-164-150-8.s8.tnt4.frd.va.dialup.rcn.com
[216.164.150.8])
by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id
TAA13328
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999
19:46:28 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <380FA5F3.2B05EED7@erols.com>
Date:
Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:46:59 -0400
From: Jason Barnhart
<phnxgld@erols.com>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq
(Win98; I)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
CC:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: VR4-AWS?
References:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7651@EXCHANGE1>
<380F8777.80726369@swissonline.ch>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> > > I
have also heard that the '91-93 models actually had
> > > a 40/60
split and that it was not until the '94-99
> > > that the cars came
with a 45/55 split...
> > >
> > > Does anyone know if
the above is correct?
> >
> > These are the correct
numbers. It was changed in '94 when the 6-speed Getrag was
introduced.
Hmm, wouldn't a 40/60 split be more desirable for
autocrossing? Would it be possible to convert to
the 40/60 split on a
2nd gen?
Jason
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 21 16:46:41 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id QAA03864
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:46:41 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
exchange1.bigcharts.com (exchange1.BigCharts.com [206.146.143.5])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id QAA03857
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:46:38 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id
<VDH4SZ5B>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 18:46:35 -0500
Message-ID:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7656@EXCHANGE1>
From: Matt Jannusch
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE:
Team3S: VR4-AWS?
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 18:46:34 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="windows-1252"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> Hmm,
wouldn't a 40/60 split be more desirable for
> autocrossing? Would
it be possible to convert to
> the 40/60 split on a 2nd gen?
Sure,
downgrade to the 5-speed tranny...
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder
VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 21 20:37:59 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id UAA06890
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:37:59 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mxout2.cac.washington.edu (mxout2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.4])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id UAA06880
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:37:56 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mailhost2.u.washington.edu (mailhost2.u.washington.edu
[140.142.33.2])
by mxout2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08)
with ESMTP id UAA16621
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21
Oct 1999 20:37:55 -0700
Received: from u.washington.edu
(cs313-24.spmodem.washington.edu [140.142.175.25])
by
mailhost2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id
UAA06778
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999
20:37:55 -0700
Message-ID:
<380FDBBA.F0DF65D0@u.washington.edu>
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:36:26
-0700
From: Errin Humphrey <errin@u.washington.edu>
Organization:
University of Washington
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en,ja
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: 3/S Sirius Mailing
List <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Adventures
in Braking IV
References:
<3.0.5.32.19991021075348.008c6100@cedar-rapids.net>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Rich Merritt
wrote:
> >What about the big brake kit from Brembo ???
>
>They have a kit for 2,000 bucks that has massive rotors,
> >( not
sure of measurements ) they are big!!
> >And huge 6 piston calipers
!!
> >They put them on the Ferrari's and lamborghini's,
>
>maybe they will work for you !!!
> >
> I think that kit is
more like $3,000.
> But if anyone has a solid price and a dealer to talk
to, please post it.
Indra at ApexR sells the kit for ~$2000. I'm
not sure exactly which
kit it is (probably 13 inch like the stockers), but
usually Brembo
offers quite a few different sizes. I would be kinda
surprised if the
$2k kit used 6 piston calipers rather than 4.
As
somebody said on the Team3S list, you're probably better off
spending another
$600-$1000 more and getting the Bremsa kit or
better yet, the Mov'it Porsche
GT2 kit. These would be practically
the same brakes put on GT2
cars. The Puma N1 GTO (all-out
race car in Japan) uses AP 6-pot
calipers in front. I haven't found
out which rotors it uses, but they
don't look larger than stock and
they aren't cross-drilled or
slotted.
--Errin "new tips" Humphrey
Seattle, wA
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 21 20:39:32 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id UAA06995
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:39:32 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id UAA06988
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:39:28 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from erols.com (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net
[207.172.7.13])
by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id
XAA10081
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999
23:39:27 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <380FDB5E.C62C9A29@erols.com>
Date:
Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:34:54 -0400
From: Jason Barnhart
<phnxgld@erols.com>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-RCN (WinNT;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
CC:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Smoke, related to cat
removal?
References:
<003301bf1b96$c4066120$7e8783d8@RGERL012599_000.peoplesoft.com>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I found
out my car does a neat trick now, smoke screens. If I engine brake
I
evidently buildup some material (for lack of knowing just what it is), then
when I hit
the gas again, usually to rev-match my 2-1 shift, I leave a nice
cloud of greyish white
smoke. It's not blue and I don't appear to be
burning oil, it's not black so I don't
think it's fuel, but I also don't
appear to be losing coolant. The only thing I can
figure is that since
I've gutted my precats and am now running an ATR downpipe with no
main cat (I
had previously had my main cat gutted) is that the material that is
normally
removed by catalytic converters is of course not being removed and
results in smoke. My
car also smokes if it idles for several minutes
after being warmed up. I've been
curious about this condition for some
time, and now that I can recreate it at will,
perhaps I can give the details
necessary for finding out exactly what's going on.
Any
ideas?
Jason
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 21 22:29:49 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id WAA08800
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:29:49 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc2.occa.home.com [24.2.8.66])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id WAA08792
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:29:45 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from cx221247a ([24.8.141.25]) by
mail.rdc2.occa.home.com
(InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with
SMTP
id
<19991022052944.JBIR8534.mail.rdc2.occa.home.com@cx221247a>;
Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:29:44 -0700
Message-ID:
<008501bf1c4d$c8ccfcc0$198d0818@msnv1.occa.home.com>
From: "Jim
Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
To: "Matt Jannusch"
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>, <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7656@EXCHANGE1>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
VR4-AWS?
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:24:59 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="Windows-1252"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> > Hmm, wouldn't a 40/60 split be more desirable for
> > autocrossing? Would it be possible to convert to
>
> the 40/60 split on a 2nd gen?
>
> Sure, downgrade to the
5-speed tranny...
================================================
As
the owner of a 93 TT I would consider the change to a five speed
as being an
upgrade :-) For a car with this much torque I feel the six
speed is
unnecessary. The six is supposed to be a little stronger
but from the
complaints of the owners I'm not to sure
Jim
Berry
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 21 22:35:36 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id WAA08887
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:35:36 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc2.occa.home.com [24.2.8.66])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id WAA08880
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:35:33 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from cx221247a ([24.8.141.25]) by
mail.rdc2.occa.home.com
(InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with
SMTP
id
<19991022053531.JDJZ8534.mail.rdc2.occa.home.com@cx221247a>;
Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:35:31 -0700
Message-ID:
<008e01bf1c4e$9808bec0$198d0818@msnv1.occa.home.com>
From: "Jim
Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
To: "Jason Barnhart"
<phnxgld@erols.com>
Cc:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<003301bf1b96$c4066120$7e8783d8@RGERL012599_000.peoplesoft.com>
<380FDB5E.C62C9A29@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Smoke, related to
cat removal?
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:30:46 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
. The only thing I can
> figure is that since I've
gutted my precats and am now running an ATR downpipe with no
> main cat (I
had previously had my main cat gutted) is that the material that is
normally
> removed by catalytic converters is of course not being removed
and results in smoke. My
> car also smokes if it idles for several
minutes after being warmed up.
======================================================
Not likely to
be related to the main cat --- the cats are to treat unburned
hydrocarbons
which are not normally visible. The most likely cause is
valve stem seals or
maybe oil rings. Very small amounts of oil are involved
so you are not likely
to notice over short periods.
Jim Berry
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 21 22:37:17 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id WAA08952
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:37:17 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc2.occa.home.com [24.2.8.66])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id WAA08945
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:37:14 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from cx221247a ([24.8.141.25]) by
mail.rdc2.occa.home.com
(InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with
SMTP
id
<19991022053713.JDVB8534.mail.rdc2.occa.home.com@cx221247a>
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:37:13 -0700
Message-ID:
<00a501bf1c4e$d4a25b20$198d0818@msnv1.occa.home.com>
From: "Jim
Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
To: "team 3si"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Fw: Re:Adventures in
braking IV
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:32:28 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
multipart/mixed;
boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A2_01BF1C14.28005FA0"
X-Priority:
3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express
5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
This is a multi-part message in MIME
format.
------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01BF1C14.28005FA0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
> The following link to Baer brakes shows the Alcon 6
piston caliper
> and 13.5 " two piece rotor kits selling for $6100
for the Viper and about
> $6500 for Camaro.
>
> Jim Berry
>
==================================================
>
>
http://www.baer.com/
>
------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01BF1C14.28005FA0
Content-Type:
application/octet-stream;
name="Baer Claw Brake
Systems.url"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition:
attachment;
filename="Baer Claw Brake
Systems.url"
[DEFAULT]
BASEURL=http://www.baer.com/
[InternetShortcut]
URL=http://www.baer.com/
Modified=C0A884B3451CBF01C0
------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01BF1C14.28005FA0--
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 21 22:46:23 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id WAA09106
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:46:23 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id WAA09099
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:46:15 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from erols.com (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net
[207.172.7.13])
by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id
BAA16327
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999
01:50:01 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <380FF90D.432A5C35@erols.com>
Date:
Fri, 22 Oct 1999 01:41:33 -0400
From: Jason Barnhart
<phnxgld@erols.com>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-RCN (WinNT;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
CC:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Smoke, related to cat
removal?
References:
<003301bf1b96$c4066120$7e8783d8@RGERL012599_000.peoplesoft.com>
<380FDB5E.C62C9A29@erols.com>
<008e01bf1c4e$9808bec0$198d0818@msnv1.occa.home.com>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Ok, but why
white or grayish smoke with no hint of blue or smell of oil? Even if it
was small
amounts of oil, unless there was something else in the smoke, the
smoke would be bluish, no?
Jim Berry wrote:
> . The only
thing I can
> > figure is that since I've gutted my precats and am now
running an ATR downpipe with no
> > main cat (I had previously had my
main cat gutted) is that the material that is normally
> > removed by
catalytic converters is of course not being removed and results in smoke.
My
> > car also smokes if it idles for several minutes after being
warmed up.
>
======================================================
>
> Not
likely to be related to the main cat --- the cats are to treat unburned
>
hydrocarbons which are not normally visible. The most likely cause is
>
valve stem seals or maybe oil rings. Very small amounts of oil are
involved
> so you are not likely to notice over short
periods.
>
> Jim Berry
>
> For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 22 01:04:42 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
BAA10576
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 01:04:42 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch
[194.158.230.44])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
BAA10569
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999
01:04:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: robby@freesurf.ch
Received: from RGERL012599000
(216.131.138.64) by newmail.spectraweb.ch; 22 Oct 1999 10:00:58
+0200
Message-ID:
<002e01bf1c64$35717ac0$408a83d8@peoplesoft.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7656@EXCHANGE1>
<008501bf1c4d$c8ccfcc0$198d0818@msnv1.occa.home.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: VR4-AWS?
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 10:05:28 +0200
Organization: R-Tec
Switzerland
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="Windows-1252"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> as being an upgrade :-) For a car with this much torque I feel
the six
> speed is unnecessary. The six is supposed to be a little
stronger
> but from the complaints of the owners I'm not to
sure
Oh, I highly disagree with the six speed is unnecessary ! I drove
both and
must say the six speeder has a much better power band in 2nd and 3rd
than
mine. It just feels lighter and better selectable on the road,
especially up
the hills and through the serpentines. Of course, just my
opinion :-)
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 22 05:47:45 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
FAA12884
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 05:47:45 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id FAA12877
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 05:47:43 -0700
(PDT)
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
Received: from TurboDrvn@aol.com
by
imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id uIKIa09316 (4207)
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:46:53 -0400
(EDT)
Message-ID: <0.8f45321d.2541b6bd@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Oct
1999 08:46:53 EDT
Subject: Team3S: Using Brake Cleaner to clean off Apex'i
Bov
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
This may be a
dumb question; is it safe to use a Brake Cleaner to clean out
the internals
and external of my Apex'i Sequential Blow off Valve? I had
some major
oil build up inside the BOV due to possible blown turbos or
internal motor
problems.
I'm concerned that if I use a Brake
Cleaner that it may cause some harm
to my BOV mehanism; which may cause the
BOV to eventually stick slightly open
or slightly closed. I just want
to clean out the oil residue inside the BOV.
Any other
recommendations?
Thanks,
Ahmed "AL-Crazy"
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 22 06:32:08 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id GAA13614
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:32:08 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.casham.com ([205.183.158.13])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo)
with ESMTP id GAA13607
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22
Oct 1999 06:32:05 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by MAIL with Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2232.9)
id <V2Z5P61H>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:37:55
-0500
Message-ID:
<30C462FFDD5CD311A34400805FF924CF338654@MAIL>
From: "Landis,
Michael" <MLandis@casham.com>
To: Jason Barnhart
<phnxgld@erols.com>
Cc: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Smoke, related to cat removal?
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:37:52
-0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2232.9)
Content-Type: text/plain
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Yeah, that's
what I thought. But I was experiencing light oil consumption
(about 1
1/2 qt between 3K mile oil changes), and the car would belch a huge
puff of
smoke after sitting at idle for a few minutes - like sitting at a
long light
or in the fast-food drive-thru line. Mine was also white, not
blue or
grey like you'd expect, and I detected no typical "burning
oil"
smell. The car has 115K miles on it and I just overhauled it (water
pump
seized, timing belt shredded - long heavy sigh, lots of money, don't
EVEN
get me started) and now the problem has gone away. How many miles
on your
car? Any possibility of oil ring wear?
To check for
possible valve stem seal wear, the next time you've got an oil
change coming
up (two or three days advance), you might add a quart of ATF
to your
oil. The trans fluid causes the rubber seals to swell a little
bit,
eliminating the oil blow-by and the smoke. If your smoke problem
goes away
(mine did) then it's a safe bet it's the valve stem seals.
You don't want
to run the ATF all the time or push the car much while it's in
the
crankcase, but it ought to be OK for a couple of days before your
oil
change. Note that my car is a non-turbo. Not sure what impact
the ATF
might have for a short period on turbo bearings if your car is a
TT.
Comments, guys?
Michael
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Jason Barnhart [SMTP:phnxgld@erols.com]
> Sent:
Friday, October 22, 1999 12:42 AM
> Cc:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Smoke, related to
cat removal?
>
> Ok, but why white or grayish smoke with no hint of
blue or smell of oil?
> Even if it was small
> amounts of oil,
unless there was something else in the smoke, the smoke
> would be bluish,
no?
>
> Jim Berry wrote:
>
> > . The only
thing I can
> > > figure is that since I've gutted my precats and am
now running an ATR
> downpipe with no
> > > main cat (I had
previously had my main cat gutted) is that the
> material that is
normally
> > > removed by catalytic converters is of course not
being removed and
> results in smoke. My
> > > car also
smokes if it idles for several minutes after being warmed up.
> >
======================================================
> >
> >
Not likely to be related to the main cat --- the cats are to treat
>
unburned
> > hydrocarbons which are not normally visible. The most
likely cause is
> > valve stem seals or maybe oil rings. Very small
amounts of oil are
> involved
> > so you are not likely to notice
over short periods.
> >
> > Jim
Berry
> >
> > For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
> For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
>
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 22 07:03:28 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
HAA14012
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 07:03:28 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail.ceo-web.com (mail.ceo-web.com [216.199.8.34])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id HAA14005
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 07:03:25 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from Scott (tsdfb1-139.gate.net
[199.227.5.12])
by
mail.ceo-web.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP
id
KAA02374; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 10:06:39 -0400
Message-Id:
<4.2.0.58.19991022095556.0098cbb0@192.168.1.1>
X-Sender:
ceorick#mail.ceo-web.com@192.168.1.1
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro
Version 4.2.0.58
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:56:35 -0400
To: Jason Barnhart
<phnxgld@erols.com>
From: Rick Diogo
<rick@ceo-consulting.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Smoke, related to cat
removal?
Cc: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
In-Reply-To:
<380FDB5E.C62C9A29@erols.com>
References:
<003301bf1b96$c4066120$7e8783d8@RGERL012599_000.peoplesoft.com>
Mime-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii";
format=flowed
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
It sounds like a blown turbo to me....
Rick Diogo
94
R/T
TT
============================================================
At
11:34 PM 10/21/99 -0400, Jason Barnhart wrote:
> I found out
my car does a neat trick now, smoke screens. If I engine
> brake
I
>evidently buildup some material (for lack of knowing just what it is),
>then when I hit
>the gas again, usually to rev-match my 2-1 shift,
I leave a nice cloud of
>greyish white
>smoke. It's not blue
and I don't appear to be burning oil, it's not black
>so I
don't
>think it's fuel, but I also don't appear to be losing
coolant. The only
>thing I can
>figure is that since I've
gutted my precats and am now running an ATR
>downpipe with no
>main
cat (I had previously had my main cat gutted) is that the material
>that
is normally
>removed by catalytic converters is of course not being
removed and results
>in smoke. My
>car also smokes if it
idles for several minutes after being warmed
>up. I've
been
>curious about this condition for some time, and now that I can
recreate it
>at will,
>perhaps I can give the details necessary for
finding out exactly what's
>going on.
>
>Any
ideas?
>Jason
>
>For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
>http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 22 09:16:55 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA16415
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:16:55 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
wiesbaden.netsurf.de (nero.wiesbaden.netsurf.de [194.163.168.140])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id JAA16407
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:16:32 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from wiesbaden.netsurf.de by wiesbaden.netsurf.de with
esmtp
(Smail3.2.0.95 #28) id m11ehTy-001leyC; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:23:58 +0100
(MET)
Message-ID: <38109BA6.3B344068@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Date:
Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:15:18 +0100
From: Matthews
<matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en,ja
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Team 3S Tech List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
VR4-AWS?
References: <6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7656@EXCHANGE1>
<008501bf1c4d$c8ccfcc0$198d0818@msnv1.occa.home.com>
<002e01bf1c64$35717ac0$408a83d8@peoplesoft.com>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
robby@freesurf.ch wrote:
>
> > as being an upgrade
:-) For a car with this much torque I feel the six
> > speed is
unnecessary. The six is supposed to be a little stronger
> > but from
the complaints of the owners I'm not to sure
>
> Oh, I highly
disagree with the six speed is unnecessary ! I drove both and
> must say
the six speeder has a much better power band in 2nd and 3rd than
> mine.
It just feels lighter and better selectable on the road, especially up
>
the hills and through the serpentines. Of course, just my opinion
:-)
True, but remember that the roads and speed limits are a bit
different
over here! A double overdrive transmission is very useful in
Europe
where it is possible (ie- legal) to cruise at well over 100 mph all
day
long, but the more I drive over here, the more I wonder when I ever
used
sixth gear back in the states!
Okay, back to tech topics...
-Jim
--
Jim Matthews - Wiesbaden,
Germany
matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (64 Kbps
ISDN)
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews
*** 3000GT-Stealth
International (3Si) Member #0030
***
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews/stealth.html
Jet Black '94
Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension,
Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 72%
BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark
plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
Metal Matrix brake pads, custom braided
brake lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 168mph
G-Tech
Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 406 SAE
HP, 354 lb-ft torque
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 22 09:17:18 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA16442
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:17:18 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
wiesbaden.netsurf.de (nero.wiesbaden.netsurf.de [194.163.168.140])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id JAA16417
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:16:59 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from wiesbaden.netsurf.de by wiesbaden.netsurf.de with
esmtp
(Smail3.2.0.95 #28) id m11ehU6-001lf2C; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:24:06 +0100
(MET)
Message-ID: <38109D97.F9B534F@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Date: Fri,
22 Oct 1999 18:23:35 +0100
From: Matthews
<matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en,ja
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Team 3S Tech List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: new brake
pads
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
As I mentioned in a post last night, yesterday I installed new
Abex
front brake pads. Today on the way home I came up on my exit
pretty
fast and could not slow down fast enough to take the turn! I
ended up
sailing on by with the pedal to the floor! Pretty scarry, and
I'm lucky
it wasn't an emergency situation.
Now I know that most pads
require a break-in period, but does this sound
normal? This was my
first hard braking on these pads. I did a few more
on the way home and
there was a strong brake smell and some smoke. When
I got home I
checked the rotors and fluid resevoir - both looked good.
Note that the
rotors were not turned prior to installing these pads.
These rotors went
though a set of Stillen Metal Matrix pads followed by
a few thousand miles on
Roger's stock Mitsu pads before the Abexes went
on.
Any
suggestions? Is this normal? How can I expedite the break-in
in
the interest of safety? Thanx!!
--
Jim Matthews - Wiesbaden,
Germany
matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (64 Kbps
ISDN)
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews
*** 3000GT-Stealth
International (3Si) Member #0030
***
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews/stealth.html
Jet Black '94
Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension,
Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 72%
BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark
plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
Metal Matrix brake pads, custom braided
brake lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 168mph
G-Tech
Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 406 SAE
HP, 354 lb-ft torque
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 22 09:44:33 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA16709
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:44:33 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
spool.webzone.net (mta@mail.webzone.net [205.219.23.67])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id JAA16702
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:44:30 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from benson ([208.137.187.77]) by
spool.webzone.net
(post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-12689) with SMTP id
AAA8744
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:44:27 -0500
Message-ID:
<00c501bf1ca7$1df9f5a0$10c9c9c9@benson>
From: "Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell" <benson@2015.com>
To: "3000GT
Mailing" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
VR4-AWS?
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:04:26 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
I have the non-turbo and would LOVE to have a six speed. I
live in Tulsa
and usually make a run down to Dallas about once every month or
month and a
half. Plus I make trips back home to Chicago (12 hour drive
done in 9.5,
I'm looking to beat that on my next trip :). Plus the
highway speed limits
in Oklahoma are 75, and in missouri they're 70 (which
means I do about 85+
depending upon how ticket conscious I'm being :), and
that sixth gear would
be nice for the fuel economy to run the engine at lower
RPMs while cruising
at those speeds. Doing 80 - 90 is still around
3000-4000 RPMs which is
ample for another shift-point.
Which brings up
a question. Are there any shops or places that can make
custom
transmissions? I would love a higher performance transmission with
a
sixth gear on my car but I dunno if any shops will make transmissions
for
you on custom order or what the entire procedure involved would
be.
Latufh fuh U,
Benson
benson@2015.com
"-Do you ever
have second thoughts?
-When do I ever have first thoughts?"
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 22 09:50:30 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA16826
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:50:30 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
ultratech.com (firewall-user@gatekeeper.ultratech.com [204.94.50.2])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id JAA16819
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:50:27 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by ultratech.com; id KAA08634; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 10:02:05
-0700
Received: from corp.ultratech.com(198.62.234.29) by
gatekeeper.ultratech.com via smap (4.1)
id xma008609; Fri, 22 Oct 99 10:01:13
-0700
Received: from stepper-Message_Server by corp.ultratech.com
with
Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:51:20 -0700
Message-Id:
<s8103398.039@corp.ultratech.com>
X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise
4.1
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:50:47 -0700
From: Dan Jett
<djett@corp.ultratech.com>
To: matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de
Cc:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: VR4-AWS?
-Reply
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Disposition:
inline
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
** High Priority **
> A double overdrive transmission is
very useful in Europe
>where it is possible (ie- legal) to cruise at well
over 100 >mph all
day
>long, but the more I drive over here, the
more I wonder >when I ever
used
>sixth gear back in the
states!
Actually, not to nitpick, but the 6-speed is a triple
overdrive!
Fourth is actually an overdrive gear...
As far as if it is
necessary, (I've had both 5 and 6 speeds), the
sixth gear, albeit too tall
for any performance level driving, does
wonders for gas mileage. I
consistantly show 3-5 mpg more than I did
on the 5 speed. May not seem like
much, but per annum it makes a
dent!
The gear ratios are also
different between the two, and the "seat of
the pants" acceleration
is better...Could be the extra 20 ponies, but
my 92 was modified as
well...
Just my $.02
Dan Jett
94 Stealth Turbo
K/N
FIPK
Greddy exhaust
Centerforce DF Clutch
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 22 10:04:27 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
KAA16942
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 10:04:27 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from apollo.gat.com (apollo.gat.com [192.5.166.20])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id KAA16935
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 10:04:24 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from gat.com (middaugh@d3dtsa.gat.com
[192.150.242.240])
by apollo.gat.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id
KAA03887;
Fri, 22 Oct 1999 10:04:16 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
<38109910.684AD607@gat.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 10:04:16
-0700
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Organization:
General Atomics - Fusion Group
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; HP-UX
B.10.20 9000/730)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Matthews
<matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
CC: Team 3S Tech List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: new brake
pads
References:
<38109D97.F9B534F@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hi
Jim,
> As I mentioned in a post last night, yesterday I installed new
Abex
> front brake pads. Today on the way home I came up on my exit
pretty
> fast and could not slow down fast enough to take the turn!
I ended up
> sailing on by with the pedal to the floor! Pretty
scarry, and I'm lucky
> it wasn't an emergency situation.
>
>
Now I know that most pads require a break-in period, but does this sound
>
normal? This was my first hard braking on these pads. I did a few
more
> on the way home and there was a strong brake smell and some
smoke. When
> I got home I checked the rotors and fluid resevoir -
both looked good.
>
> Note that the rotors were not turned prior to
installing these pads.
> These rotors went though a set of Stillen Metal
Matrix pads followed by
> a few thousand miles on Roger's stock Mitsu pads
before the Abexes went
> on.
>
> Any suggestions? Is
this normal? How can I expedite the break-in in
> the interest of
safety? Thanx!!
Yes, you will not have full braking capability
until two major steps are
performed with new brake pads:
1) bed them to
match the surface of your rotors
2) outgas chemicals used in the construction
of the pads
Typically, item 1 is done by driving around normally for a
few days using light
braking. You still need to do this even if you
install new or machined rotors.
Item 2 is done by performing 6-12 high speed
stops in succession -- raising the
temp of the pads causes the unwanted
chemicals to boil out, This is what causes
the strong brake
smell. While the pads are outgassing, your brakes will fade
due to the
layer of gas that builds up between the rotor & pad while
braking
hard. Lately John Christian has been touting Shawn Dewy's BBQ
treatment for
heat cycling and outgassing the pads as the life of the pads
seems to be
increased greatly.
Something else to consider -- switching
to a different compound pad without
machining the rotors might be a
problem. Supposedly molecules from the first
set of pads gets imbedded
into the surface of the rotor. If the new pad's
compound is not
compatible with the old pad, you may have reduced friction for
awhile until
the rotors wear a little and the surface gets imbedded with the new
pad's
molecules. Switching from one brand of carbon kevlar to another
should
really not be a problem though.
Good luck,
Ken
--
Drive faster, it is later than you think!
Ken Middaugh (858)
455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 22 10:32:31 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
KAA17341
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 10:32:31 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from largo.eecs.tufts.edu (Largo-New.EECS.Tufts.EDU
[130.64.24.99] (may be forged))
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo)
with ESMTP id KAA17334
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22
Oct 1999 10:32:27 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from andante.eecs.tufts.edu (andante
[130.64.24.24])
by largo.eecs.tufts.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id
NAA17677;
Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:32:12 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from localhost
(mbaldwin@localhost)
by andante.eecs.tufts.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id
NAA17665;
Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:32:05 -0400 (EDT)
X-Authentication-Warning:
andante.eecs.tufts.edu: mbaldwin owned process doing -bs
Date: Fri, 22 Oct
1999 13:32:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mike Baldwin
<mbaldwin@eecs.tufts.edu>
X-Sender: mbaldwin@andante
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
cc: cesk@redrock.net
Subject: Team3S:
Honking goose gone
In-Reply-To:
<199910160913.CAA07071@list.sirius.com>
Message-ID:
<Pine.GSO.4.05.9910221331110.16919-100000@andante>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Did you have a
K&N installed? I also suffer from honking goose syndrome
(and I have
stock everything) and thought maybe the problem was something
else. Lately I
have noticed that tehre is a burning smell coming from my
car. Any
ideas?
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 22 11:23:37 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id LAA18237
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:23:37 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
ganymede.or.intel.com (ganymede.or.intel.com [134.134.248.3])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id LAA18230
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:23:33 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from orsmsx29.jf.intel.com (orsmsx29.jf.intel.com
[192.168.65.29])
by ganymede.or.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.10
1999/10/20 18:19:05 spurcell Exp $) with ESMTP id LAA02430
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:23:33 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by orsmsx29.jf.intel.com with Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
id <VJRB9L16>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:23:32
-0700
Message-ID:
<4148FEAAD879D311AC5700A0C969E8905A833C@orsmsx35.jf.intel.com>
From:
"Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
To: "'Team3S
List'" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Question
for Brake Gurus
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:23:31 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
My apologies,
but this isn't about 20" rotors, just the normal brakes on a
VR-4
:) For a friend of mine:
car: 1994 VR-4
rotors:
stock
calipers: stock
other stuff: stock
alignment: good
wheel
balancing: good
Problem:
When braking (and only when braking) from
speeds over 80mph, the car
vibrates quite seriously and you feel like you're
going to lose control of
which way the car's going. I'm thinking it's a
problem with the front
rotors (warping?) or (more unlikely) the ABS.
Any ideas on how to further
diagnose this or if you know what the problem is,
what should be done
next?
Thanks!
--Erik
------
----------
Erik
Gross
DuPont, WA
'95 Pearl White 3000GT (base, DOHC,
5-speed) 62,000 mi
Firestone
Firehawk 245/50/ZR16 tires, stock wheels
Magnacor KV85 spark plug wires, NGK
plugs @ 0.040"
K&N FIPK (57-1500), resonator intact
Mobil 1 10W30
Synthetic w/ OEM oil filter
***No more ticking lash adjusters! Treated
with GM EOS, BG
44K FI cleaner. Change oil every 2000mi, filter
4000mi
***
-------------------------------------------------------------
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 22 11:38:41 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id LAA18687
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:38:41 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mx01-ext.netapp.com (mx01-ext.netapp.com [198.95.224.34])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id LAA18680
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:38:36 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (qmail 4685 invoked from network); 22 Oct 1999 18:56:41
-0000
Received: from herra.netapp.com (HELO herra.corp.netapp.com)
(198.95.224.184)
by mx01-ext.netapp.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 1999
18:56:41 -0000
Received: from tahoe.corp.netapp.com (tahoe.corp.netapp.com
[10.10.10.112])
by herra.corp.netapp.com (8.8.7/8.8.7/GNAC-GW-2.1)
with ESMTP id LAA14006
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:38:14 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by tahoe.corp.netapp.com with
Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id <VL5GXDWY>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999
11:36:53 -0700
Message-ID:
<242EA98B2B7DD311985A0090277AED510F0B94@CLEARCREEK.corp.netapp.com>
From:
"Mohler, Jeff" <jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Coil Packs/VR4
Date: Fri,
22 Oct 1999 11:39:36 -0700
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail
Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
What are the
specs on the stock coil packs on the VR4?
Im considering a retrofit of
what I have on my Supra to the VR4 if the wiring is
similar (it should be)
but I havent investigated yet.
But first, the actual output specs would
come in handy.
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 22 12:00:00 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id MAA19021
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:00:00 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.swissonline.ch (mail.swissonline.ch [62.2.32.83])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id LAA19008
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:59:55 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from swissonline.ch (pop-zh-5-dialup-140.freesurf.ch
[194.230.204.140])
by mail.swissonline.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id
UAA08137
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999
20:59:51 +0200 (MET DST)
Message-ID:
<3810B2DE.C4139739@swissonline.ch>
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 20:54:22
+0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Reply-To:
robby@swissonline.ch
Organization: Behind the frontier
X-Mailer: Mozilla
4.6 [en]C-QXW0310a (Win98; I)
X-Accept-Language: de,
en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Honking goose gone / or not (findings)
References:
<Pine.GSO.4.05.9910221331110.16919-100000@andante>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
During the
period of asking people about what filter they have this is the
result
:
I got 14 replies :
7 FIPK ... 5 with goose
3 HKS ... 1 with
goose
1 Greddy ... 1 with goose
3 Stock ... 1 with goose
Everybody
with a BOV reports the goose gone. Any setup with the stock BPV causes
a
honcking goose even stock. Even with the MAF the goose was there.
Replacing
the valve then with a 1st gen or any other helps to get rid of
this. It also
seems that the 2nd gen is more prone to the sound than the
first ones. Maybe
more boost but still the old BPV.
My conclusion is
that with the increased air flow the intake vacuum "may"
increase
just enough and causes the valve to be out of its tolerances. Note that
one
side of the valve is pushed from the boost in the y-pipe, the other
drawn
from the intake and only the spring together with the boost from the
intake
plenum pushes against it. The only solution is to use a stronger BOV
or even one
that has other specifications. The cheapest way is to get a 1st
gen DSM BPV and
one of the best is the Greddy BOV (also PBV) that works
really good by venting
back to the intake.
Roger
93'3000GT
TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 22 12:00:05 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id MAA19049
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:00:05 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.swissonline.ch (mail.swissonline.ch [62.2.32.83])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id LAA19007
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:59:55 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from swissonline.ch (pop-zh-5-dialup-140.freesurf.ch
[194.230.204.140])
by mail.swissonline.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id
UAA08153
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999
20:59:52 +0200 (MET DST)
Message-ID:
<3810B3B0.DA5B94E0@swissonline.ch>
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 20:57:52
+0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Reply-To:
robby@swissonline.ch
Organization: Behind the frontier
X-Mailer: Mozilla
4.6 [en]C-QXW0310a (Win98; I)
X-Accept-Language: de,
en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Using Brake Cleaner to clean off Apex'i Bov
References:
<0.8f45321d.2541b6bd@aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I know exactly
what you are speaking of :-) IMHO, brake cleaner is too
aggressive and the
BOV has some sealings as well as a rubber gasket that moves !
I used carb
cleaner spray as well as WD-40 and both worked very
good.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
> This may be a dumb question; is
it safe to use a Brake Cleaner to clean out
> the internals and external
of my Apex'i Sequential Blow off Valve? I had
> some major oil build
up inside the BOV due to possible blown turbos or
> internal motor
problems.
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 22 12:04:53 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id MAA19191
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:04:53 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.swissonline.ch (mail.swissonline.ch [62.2.32.83])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id MAA19184
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:04:48 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from swissonline.ch (pop-zh-5-dialup-180.freesurf.ch
[194.230.204.180])
by mail.swissonline.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id
VAA11520
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999
21:04:43 +0200 (MET DST)
Message-ID:
<3810B4D4.D14AE950@swissonline.ch>
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 21:02:44
+0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Reply-To:
robby@swissonline.ch
Organization: Behind the frontier
X-Mailer: Mozilla
4.6 [en]C-QXW0310a (Win98; I)
X-Accept-Language: de,
en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Coil Packs/VR4
References:
<242EA98B2B7DD311985A0090277AED510F0B94@CLEARCREEK.corp.netapp.com>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Specs are
:
0.67-0.81 Ohms primary, 11.3-15.3 kOhms secondary. Wires are max
22kOhms. One
line of each coil is connected to the 12V switched on by
ignition. The other
line is drawn down to Ground with the power
transistors.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
> What are the specs on the
stock coil packs on the VR4?
>
> Im considering a retrofit of what
I have on my Supra to the VR4 if the wiring is
> similar (it should be)
but I havent investigated yet.
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 22 12:13:12 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
MAA19319
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:13:12 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mx01-ext.netapp.com (mx01-ext.netapp.com
[198.95.224.34])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id
MAA19312
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999
12:13:09 -0700 (PDT)
Received: (qmail 13868 invoked from network); 22 Oct
1999 19:31:15 -0000
Received: from herra.netapp.com (HELO
herra.corp.netapp.com) (198.95.224.184)
by mx01-ext.netapp.com with
SMTP; 22 Oct 1999 19:31:15 -0000
Received: from tahoe.corp.netapp.com
(tahoe.corp.netapp.com [10.10.10.112])
by herra.corp.netapp.com
(8.8.7/8.8.7/GNAC-GW-2.1) with ESMTP id MAA19748;
Fri, 22 Oct 1999
12:12:47 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by tahoe.corp.netapp.com with Internet Mail
Service (5.5.2448.0)
id <VL5GX1JL>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:11:26
-0700
Message-ID:
<242EA98B2B7DD311985A0090277AED510F0B96@CLEARCREEK.corp.netapp.com>
From:
"Mohler, Jeff" <jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
To:
"'Matthews'"
<matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>,
Team 3S Tech List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: new brake pads
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:14:08 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
My initial
feelings are a such.
1) You didnt resurface the rotors, you had
HORRIBLE surface contact area,
hardly any. IE: Your rotor wasnt flat,
but the pads were. Could also quickly
glaze the new pads in those areas
(more bad).
Dont skip steps when doing basic R&R on your car, you
could have hurt yerself.
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthews
[mailto:matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de]
Sent: Friday, October 22, 1999 10:24
AM
To: Team 3S Tech List
Subject: Team3S: new brake pads
As I
mentioned in a post last night, yesterday I installed new Abex
front brake
pads. Today on the way home I came up on my exit pretty
fast and could
not slow down fast enough to take the turn! I ended up
sailing on by
with the pedal to the floor! Pretty scarry, and I'm lucky
it wasn't an
emergency situation.
Now I know that most pads require a break-in period,
but does this sound
normal? This was my first hard braking on these
pads. I did a few more
on the way home and there was a strong brake
smell and some smoke. When
I got home I checked the rotors and fluid
resevoir - both looked good.
Note that the rotors were not turned prior
to installing these pads.
These rotors went though a set of Stillen Metal
Matrix pads followed by
a few thousand miles on Roger's stock Mitsu pads
before the Abexes went
on.
Any suggestions? Is this
normal? How can I expedite the break-in in
the interest of
safety? Thanx!!
--
Jim Matthews - Wiesbaden,
Germany
matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (64 Kbps
ISDN)
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews
*** 3000GT-Stealth
International (3Si) Member #0030
***
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews/stealth.html
Jet Black '94
Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension,
Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 72%
BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark
plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
Metal Matrix brake pads, custom braided
brake lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 168mph
G-Tech
Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 406 SAE
HP, 354 lb-ft torque
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 22 12:16:36 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
MAA19418
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:16:36 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mx01-ext.netapp.com (mx01-ext.netapp.com
[198.95.224.34])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id
MAA19411
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999
12:16:08 -0700 (PDT)
Received: (qmail 10680 invoked from network); 22 Oct
1999 19:34:04 -0000
Received: from herra.netapp.com (HELO
herra.corp.netapp.com) (198.95.224.184)
by mx01-ext.netapp.com with
SMTP; 22 Oct 1999 19:34:04 -0000
Received: from tahoe.corp.netapp.com
(tahoe.corp.netapp.com [10.10.10.112])
by herra.corp.netapp.com
(8.8.7/8.8.7/GNAC-GW-2.1) with ESMTP id MAA20274;
Fri, 22 Oct 1999
12:15:37 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by tahoe.corp.netapp.com with Internet Mail
Service (5.5.2448.0)
id <VL5GX1K6>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:14:15
-0700
Message-ID:
<242EA98B2B7DD311985A0090277AED510F0B97@CLEARCREEK.corp.netapp.com>
From:
"Mohler, Jeff" <jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
To: "'Gross,
Erik'"
<erik.gross@intel.com>,
"'Team3S List'"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Question for Brake Gurus
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:16:57
-0700
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Yes, you have
rotor problems.
They are warping in a hurry under load (IE: heating up
quickly at high[er]
speeds).
Warping is perhaps the main reason I dont
like to resurface rotors (but when Im
poor and out of autox season..I do)
because when you resurface you loose mass in
the rotor, that mass absorbs
heat and will prevent warping in a controlled
proper cooldown. A rotor
with less thermal mass will tend to warp quicker.
BUT..you need
rotors...and dont forget new pads as well.
-----Original
Message-----
From: Gross, Erik [mailto:erik.gross@intel.com]
Sent: Friday,
October 22, 1999 11:24 AM
To: 'Team3S List'
Subject: Team3S: Question for
Brake Gurus
My apologies, but this isn't about 20" rotors, just
the normal brakes on a
VR-4 :) For a friend of mine:
car: 1994
VR-4
rotors: stock
calipers: stock
other stuff: stock
alignment:
good
wheel balancing: good
Problem:
When braking (and only when
braking) from speeds over 80mph, the car
vibrates quite seriously and you
feel like you're going to lose control of
which way the car's going.
I'm thinking it's a problem with the front
rotors (warping?) or (more
unlikely) the ABS. Any ideas on how to further
diagnose this or if you
know what the problem is, what should be done
next?
Thanks!
--Erik
------
----------
Erik
Gross
DuPont, WA
'95 Pearl White 3000GT (base, DOHC,
5-speed) 62,000 mi
Firestone
Firehawk 245/50/ZR16 tires, stock wheels
Magnacor KV85 spark plug wires, NGK
plugs @ 0.040"
K&N FIPK (57-1500), resonator intact
Mobil 1 10W30
Synthetic w/ OEM oil filter
***No more ticking lash adjusters! Treated
with GM EOS, BG
44K FI cleaner. Change oil every 2000mi, filter
4000mi
***
-------------------------------------------------------------
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 22 12:32:50 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
MAA19771
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:32:50 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mx01-ext.netapp.com (mx01-ext.netapp.com
[198.95.224.34])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id
MAA19764
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999
12:32:46 -0700 (PDT)
Received: (qmail 12513 invoked from network); 22 Oct
1999 19:50:52 -0000
Received: from herra.netapp.com (HELO
herra.corp.netapp.com) (198.95.224.184)
by mx01-ext.netapp.com with
SMTP; 22 Oct 1999 19:50:52 -0000
Received: from tahoe.corp.netapp.com
(tahoe.corp.netapp.com [10.10.10.112])
by herra.corp.netapp.com
(8.8.7/8.8.7/GNAC-GW-2.1) with ESMTP id MAA22708;
Fri, 22 Oct 1999
12:32:23 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by tahoe.corp.netapp.com with Internet Mail
Service (5.5.2448.0)
id <VL5GX1R6>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:31:02
-0700
Message-ID:
<242EA98B2B7DD311985A0090277AED510F0B98@CLEARCREEK.corp.netapp.com>
From:
"Mohler, Jeff" <jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
To:
"'robby@swissonline.ch'"
<robby@swissonline.ch>,
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Coil Packs/VR4
Date:
Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:33:44 -0700
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail
Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Im not an
electrical guy..sorry *grin*..but is 11.3-15.4KOhms the output of the
coil to
spark?
-----Original Message-----
From: R.G.
[mailto:robby@swissonline.ch]
Sent: Friday, October 22, 1999 12:03 PM
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Coil
Packs/VR4
Specs are :
0.67-0.81 Ohms primary, 11.3-15.3 kOhms
secondary. Wires are max 22kOhms. One
line of each coil is connected to the
12V switched on by ignition. The other
line is drawn down to Ground with the
power transistors.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
> What are the specs
on the stock coil packs on the VR4?
>
> Im considering a retrofit
of what I have on my Supra to the VR4 if the wiring
is
> similar (it
should be) but I havent investigated yet.
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 22 13:50:12 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id NAA21249
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:50:12 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id NAA21242
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:50:05 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from rg (194.230.226.198) by newmail.spectraweb.ch; 22 Oct
1999 22:46:19 +0200
Message-ID:
<01a901bf1cce$c63b9ee0$c6e2e6c2@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "Team3S List"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Cc: "Darcy Gunnlaugson"
<wce@bc.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Team3S: Knock, knock ....
Date: Fri,
22 Oct 1999 22:47:03 +0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Knock .... caused by detonation, to high tolerances and more is the
major
enemy of our engine. We know that there are some things like higher
octane,
water injection, ignition upgrade and ... fuel ....can help to get
rid of
the knock. We know that the later is normally used for the power and
not to
cool the chamber but looking at the stock rich condition this made
me
thinking.
If you haven't already seen my MAF installation page go
and check out the
picture of the first datalog. As I tuned the fuel
controller I did this like
everyone with the help of an A/F meter. This, of
course, is simply a
voltmeter that shows the voltage with a range from 0-1V.
Devided by 10 LEDs
this means each one represents 10mV. I therefore tuned the
thing in to go up
to 0.9V at WOT. I did this and got the car running well and
it felt good.
But the datalog then showed the truth : knock allover the
bandwidth. In 1st,
2nd and a bit more in 3rd due to the heavy load, but
always there. The most
interesting thing was that the ECU did NOT retard the
timing even with a lot
knock ! Why ?? Is this because the ECU was maybe still
learning ? Or could
the fact of a static barometric and temp signal be the
cause ? Or was the
ECU still ignoring this high knock amount ? The later logs
showed then the
ignition got retarded the longer I ran the car. The car
already runned at
least 10 miles before I made the tests and this tells me
that it really take
soem time until the ECU even learned to retard the
ignition.
Now the last finding reminded me that people are resetting the
ECU before a
run on the track and will see better performance then. Sure, we
know why :
The timing is advanced and, even with knock, it is not retarded !
Result :
more power ... and more danger. Therefore, if you do this ONLY DO
THIS with
racing gas. The ECU is not able to take care of it !
Now the
more critical thing : O2 sensor readings. Look again at the pic and
you can
see that the injector curve is much lower after the MAF because I
haven't had
it tuned in fully. But the O2 sensors showed rich 0.92 Volts
WITH knock.
Argh, I hate this word ..... Now one would say bah, this little
knock, but
hey this can and will hurt your engine more and more. Now how
would I have
the ARC or any fuel controller tuned in without the datalogger
??? Yeah,
right, with the A/F meter. But the meter is not the problem,
although the
higher the resolution the better the ability to tune in the
fuel controlling
device. But the question is still there : How much knock do
I really have,
none, little or too much ?
I'm happy to be able to have the datalogger
and the longer I look at the
graphs the more do I say to myself ... $300 for
the logger would have saved
me $3200 or more for replacing the pistons. I
highly recommend using a good
diagnostic tool when you are a serious car
enthusiast (yep, me) with a thin
wallet (me too) and a great racer (ahem, not
me).
Today I'd say an A/F meter, a good voltmeter with peak hold feature
and temp
reading are necessary when you start to tweak the fuel system. Even
more I
recommend an EGT meter and a device like logger to be able to get the
most
out of your car without too much danger of cracking something.
Please
understand that I learnt a lot due to my ignorance and I paid for this
as
many of us did in the past (including a lot friends that are not knowing
the
Internet).
Now the ultimate tool would be .... a knock meter ! I
do have the MSD knock
sensor that comes with a good filter and it's own piezo
coupler (microphone)
but I haven't found any place where it would fit. I will
try to find a space
close to the stock sensor when I change the injectors bit
I do not plan to
tap into the stock sensor. But this wouldn't be a bad thing,
because tests
by John Basol showed that a knock LED my work although
something went wrong
and fried the knock sensor (who knows...) But creating
such a device that
attaches to the stock sensor or to an output of the ECU
(not the solenoid
LED) with about three LEDs for the knock intensity will be
worth a lot ! It
would have saved mine and other engine as well as some more
I see in the
future.
Ok friends, some thoughts from me regarding fuel
and that it is not easy to
stay away from the dark zone. Getting injectors,
an ARC, pump big turbos,
everything results in more hp ... but we need
HEALTHY horses and not little
ponies that are byte by the dogs.
Happy
boosting
Roger,
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 22 13:51:11 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
NAA21315
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:51:11 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from largo.eecs.tufts.edu (Largo-New.EECS.Tufts.EDU
[130.64.24.99] (may be forged))
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo)
with ESMTP id NAA21308
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22
Oct 1999 13:51:06 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from andante.eecs.tufts.edu (andante
[130.64.24.24])
by largo.eecs.tufts.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id
QAA22892;
Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:50:56 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from localhost
(mbaldwin@localhost)
by andante.eecs.tufts.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id
QAA24777;
Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:50:49 -0400 (EDT)
X-Authentication-Warning:
andante.eecs.tufts.edu: mbaldwin owned process doing -bs
Date: Fri, 22 Oct
1999 16:50:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mike Baldwin
<mbaldwin@eecs.tufts.edu>
X-Sender: mbaldwin@andante
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
cc: kevin@3si.zzn.com
Subject: Team3S:
Burning smell from car
In-Reply-To:
<199910191901.MAA17038@list.sirius.com>
Message-ID:
<Pine.GSO.4.05.9910221641520.21805-100000@andante>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
It doesn't smell
like how a clutch normally smells. Plus Im not noticing
any slip or
anything.
The car only has 19k miles on it.. hmmm.. any tests for a bad
clutch?
mb
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 22 13:56:42 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id NAA21489
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:56:42 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET (cedar-rapids.net [206.24.60.1])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id NAA21476
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:56:36 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from c440759-a.cdrrpd1.ia.home.com ([24.10.221.131]) by
CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET
with SMTP (IPAD 2.5/64) id 9297100 ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999
15:52:33 -0500
Message-Id:
<3.0.5.32.19991022134442.008e34b0@cedar-rapids.net>
X-Sender:
merritt@cedar-rapids.net
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5
(32)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:44:42 -0500
To: "Gross, Erik"
<erik.gross@intel.com>,
"'Team3S List'" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
From:
Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Question for
Brake Gurus
In-Reply-To:
<4148FEAAD879D311AC5700A0C969E8905A833C@orsmsx35.jf.intel.c
om>
Mime-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
>Problem:
When braking (and only when braking) from speeds over 80mph, the
car
>vibrates quite seriously and you feel like you're going to lose
control of
>which way the car's going. I'm thinking it's a problem
with the front
>rotors (warping?) or (more unlikely) the ABS. Any
ideas on how to further
>diagnose this or if you know what the problem is,
what should be done next?
Warped rotors, most likely. Take it to a brake
shop and get them turned.
Rich/old poop/94 VR4/somebody stop
me.>
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 22 14:31:24 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id OAA21944
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:31:24 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc2.occa.home.com [24.2.8.66])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id OAA21937
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:31:22 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from cx221247a ([24.8.141.25]) by
mail.rdc2.occa.home.com
(InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with
SMTP
id
<19991022213116.SZOB8534.mail.rdc2.occa.home.com@cx221247a>;
Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:31:16 -0700
Message-ID:
<004401bf1cd4$193f8160$198d0818@msnv1.occa.home.com>
From: "Jim
Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
To: "Matthews"
<matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>,
"Team 3S Tech List"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<38109D97.F9B534F@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Subject: Re: Team3S: new brake
pads
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:26:26 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> As I mentioned in a post last night, yesterday I installed
new Abex
> front brake pads. Today on the way home I came up on my
exit pretty
> fast and could not slow down fast enough to take the
turn! I ended up
> sailing on by with the pedal to the floor!
Pretty scarry, and I'm lucky
> it wasn't an emergency situation.
>
> Now I know that most pads require a break-in period, but does this
sound
> normal? This was my first hard braking on these pads.
I did a few more
> on the way home and there was a strong brake smell and
some smoke. When
> I got home I checked the rotors and fluid
resevoir - both looked
good.
======================================================
Pad
bedding is done by running the pads through a complete heat cycle.
Wilwood
sez ---- do a few low speed stops to make sure the system is
working then
gradually increase the braking and speed until the brakes
come up to racing
temperature. Then allow the brakes to cool by driving
without using the
brakes [ if possible ] . When I did my Porsche/Brembo
brakes I drove around
for 20 min or so then parked it without using the
hand brake until they
cooled completely.
Jim Berry
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 22 14:36:34 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id OAA22026
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:36:34 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mx01-ext.netapp.com (mx01-ext.netapp.com [198.95.224.34])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id OAA22019
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:36:31 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (qmail 1110 invoked from network); 22 Oct 1999 21:54:38
-0000
Received: from herra.netapp.com (HELO herra.corp.netapp.com)
(198.95.224.184)
by mx01-ext.netapp.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 1999
21:54:38 -0000
Received: from tahoe.corp.netapp.com (tahoe.corp.netapp.com
[10.10.10.112])
by herra.corp.netapp.com (8.8.7/8.8.7/GNAC-GW-2.1)
with ESMTP id OAA12721
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:36:08 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by tahoe.corp.netapp.com with
Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id <VL5GXGXS>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999
14:34:47 -0700
Message-ID:
<242EA98B2B7DD311985A0090277AED510F0B9C@CLEARCREEK.corp.netapp.com>
From:
"Mohler, Jeff" <jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Brake Pads needed
Date:
Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:37:31 -0700
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail
Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I live in the
Bay Area, and I need new pads for a 95 VR4.
I have a set of Hawks on
there now (talk about dust) and theyre beginning to
squeal on me a
lot...
What around here can I purchacse other than stock?
I wont
like doing this, but this month is a "poor" month, and I will be
turning
rotors till next autox season when new ones will be purchased.
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 22 14:38:16 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id OAA22092
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:38:16 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
ro.com (IDENT:0@sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id OAA22085
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:38:12 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from sjiredff (tnt1-97-229.ro.com [208.134.97.229])
by
ro.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/RO-1.01) with SMTP id QAA22942;
Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:31:13
-0500
Message-ID: <001e01bf1cd4$056346e0$e56186d0@sjiredff>
From:
"Paul T. Golley" <ptgolley@ro.com>
To: "Jim Berry"
<fastmax@home.com>, <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: VR4-AWS?
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:25:52 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="Windows-1252"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700
X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3612.1700
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
>> > Hmm, wouldn't a 40/60 split be more desirable
for
>> > autocrossing? Would it be possible to convert
to
>> > the 40/60 split on a 2nd gen?
>>
>> Sure,
downgrade to the 5-speed tranny...
>As the owner of a 93 TT I would
consider the change to a five speed
>as being an upgrade :-)
> Jim Berry
Jim & All-
Wow; I'm snowed!
Are we talking about the power split between the
front and rear axels?
I have a '95 VR-4, and have read that the split is
45% front, 55% rear.
I assume this ratio is somehow controlled by the
fluid coupling in the
transaxel, but I sure as hell don't know how it works.
Anyone willing to post
a tutorial on this topic?
Regards,
ptg
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 22 14:38:53 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
OAA22152
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:38:53 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc2.occa.home.com
[24.2.8.66])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
OAA22145
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999
14:38:50 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from cx221247a ([24.8.141.25]) by
mail.rdc2.occa.home.com
(InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with
SMTP
id
<19991022213848.TBEO8534.mail.rdc2.occa.home.com@cx221247a>;
Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:38:48 -0700
Message-ID:
<004e01bf1cd5$26d0e7a0$198d0818@msnv1.occa.home.com>
From: "Jim
Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
To: "Gross, Erik"
<erik.gross@intel.com>,
"'Team3S List'" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<4148FEAAD879D311AC5700A0C969E8905A833C@orsmsx35.jf.intel.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Question for Brake Gurus
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:33:59
-0700
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
>
> Problem:
> When braking (and only when braking)
from speeds over 80mph, the car
> vibrates quite seriously and you feel
like you're going to lose control of
> which way the car's going.
I'm thinking it's a problem with the front
> rotors (warping?) or (more
unlikely) the ABS. Any ideas on how to further
> diagnose this or if
you know what the problem is, what should be done
next?
=====================================================
Most
likely the rotors --- at moderate speed gently apply a little brake and
at
the same time release your hold on the steering wheel [ try not to crash
].
If the rotors are warped the steering wheel will rock back and forth
1/4" or so.
Remember, just enough brake to touch the pad to the rotor.
He could also
have some worn steering parts eg. tie rod
ends.
Jim berry
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 22 15:16:17 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
PAA22705
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:16:17 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc2.occa.home.com
[24.2.8.66])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
PAA22698
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999
15:16:14 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from cx221247a ([24.8.141.25]) by
mail.rdc2.occa.home.com
(InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with
SMTP
id
<19991022221613.TNJA8534.mail.rdc2.occa.home.com@cx221247a>;
Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:16:13 -0700
Message-ID:
<006801bf1cda$614010a0$198d0818@msnv1.occa.home.com>
From: "Jim
Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
To: "team 3si"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>,
"Paul T. Golley" <ptgolley@ro.com>
References:
<001e01bf1cd4$056346e0$e56186d0@sjiredff>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
VR4-AWS?
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:11:24 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="Windows-1252"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
>
> Jim & All-
> Wow; I'm snowed! Are we
talking about the power split between the
> front and rear axels? I
have a '95 VR-4, and have read that the split is
> 45% front, 55%
rear. I assume this ratio is somehow controlled by the
> fluid
coupling in the transaxel, but I sure as hell don't know how it works.
>
Anyone willing to post a tutorial on this
topic?
=================================================
Yup yer right
---- all the torque splitting takes place inside the viscous
coupling unit in
the transmission and, just like the weather all we can
do is talk about it
--- we can't change it.
'the unit itself is simple in theory --- there are a
series of stacked disks
attached to the input shaft interleaved with a series
of disks attached
to the output shaft. The spacing of the disks and the
viscosity of the
fluid determine how much force is transmitted to the output
shaft. The
reality is more complex, the viscous coupler is a cylinder about
10"
long and 6" in diameter with a drive gear around the outside of
one
end [ input ] a taper bearing on the other end to locate and hold
in
place. The output is a concentric shaft that goes to the front
differential
[ in the transmission ] and to the transfer case. In the case of
my
disassembled spare transmission the internal magic is, and shall
remain
unknown.
Jim Berry
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 22 15:50:57 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id PAA23111
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:50:57 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
jason01.u.washington.edu (root@jason01.u.washington.edu [140.142.70.24])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id PAA23104
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:50:51 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from dante01.u.washington.edu (errin@dante01.u.washington.edu
[140.142.15.3])
by jason01.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.09)
with ESMTP id PAA39892;
Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:50:49 -0700
Received: from
localhost (errin@localhost)
by dante01.u.washington.edu
(8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id PAA24512;
Fri, 22 Oct 1999
15:50:48 -0700
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:50:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Errin
Daniel Humphrey <errin@u.washington.edu>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
cc: stealth@starnet.net
Subject: Team3S:
SL/VR4 Caliper Clearance
Message-ID:
<Pine.A41.4.10.9910221538150.42598-100000@dante01.u.washington.edu>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
[Sorry if this
message comes out weird, but this
is my first time composing an email in
PINE.]
This is kind of urgent, so I would really
appreciate a prompt
response.
Could somebody please tell me, to the closest
accuracy
possible, the difference in wheel
clearance between a second gen 3000GT SL
(or
Stealth ES) and a second gen 3000GT VR4 (or
Stealth TT), in
millimeters if possible. I am
referring to the distance from the edge of
the
caliper to the nearest edge of the wheel spoke.
I can't use the
distance from a the caliper to
the wheel spoke on an NA 3/S because they
have
different stock wheels than mine (I have 94 17"
VR4
wheels). I actually need to know (as close
as possible) how much
farther the calipers on
a VR4/TT stick out compared to an NA.
Or could
somebody please measure the distance
(on an NA 3/S car) from the rotor to the
farthest
out point on the brake caliper? Then I can
compare this to
my car, but I think I will need
to compensate for thinner rotors on the
NA.
I really appreciate the help,
--Errin Humphrey
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 22 16:12:26 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id QAA23381
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:12:26 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
demai02.mw.mediaone.net (demai02.mw.mediaone.net [24.131.1.20])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id QAA23374
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:12:22 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mediaone.net (nic-30-c61-152.mw.mediaone.net
[24.30.61.152])
by demai02.mw.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id
TAA29944
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999
19:10:13 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
<38111C46.4AE6A9B0@mediaone.net>
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:24:06
-0700
From: Joe Gonsowski <twinturbo@mediaone.net>
X-Mailer: Mozilla
4.08 [en] (Win98; U)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: 3000GT / Stealth List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Knock, knock
....
References: <01a901bf1cce$c63b9ee0$c6e2e6c2@rg>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
R.G.
wrote:
> I'm happy to be able to have the datalogger and the longer I
look at the
> graphs the more do I say to myself ... $300 for the logger
would have saved
> me $3200 or more for replacing the pistons. I highly
recommend using a good
> diagnostic tool when you are a serious car
enthusiast (yep, me) with a thin
> wallet (me too) and a great racer
(ahem, not me).
I could not agree more, I now have a chance of correctly
tuning the car with mods.
Before I got the datalogger, I'd many times have to
guess how my car liked or disliked a
change I made. Now, with much less
frustration, I can tune in the car.
> Today I'd say an A/F meter, a
good voltmeter with peak hold feature and temp
> reading are necessary
when you start to tweak the fuel system. Even more I
> recommend an EGT
meter and a device like logger to be able to get the most
> out of your
car without too much danger of cracking something. Please
> understand
that I learnt a lot due to my ignorance and I paid for this as
> many of
us did in the past (including a lot friends that are not knowing the
>
Internet).
Roger and others - Do you feel you can safely run a car with
the datalogger alone. For
example if I run high enough octane fuel to
eliminate knock at a given boost level, do I
guarantee I'm not damaging the
engine? Or, is knock only part of the picture, you
should also watch
EGT temps and O2 voltage to ensure your not running lean? Can
running
lean damage the engine if its not severe enough to cause
knock?
Thanks,
Joe Gonsowski
'92 R?T TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 22 18:42:22 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id SAA26298
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:42:22 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
pclink.com (root@mail.pclink.com [204.72.134.12])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id SAA26291
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:42:18 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from logikit (pm1-33 [206.11.1.41])
by pclink.com
(8.9.2/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA28227;
Fri, 22 Oct 1999 20:42:14 -0500
(CDT)
Message-ID: <001f01bf1cf7$59a8d580$29010bce@logikit>
From:
"Oskar" <swede@pclink.com>
To: "Errin Daniel
Humphrey"
<errin@u.washington.edu>,
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Cc:
<stealth@starnet.net>
References:
<Pine.A41.4.10.9910221538150.42598-100000@dante01.u.washington.edu>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: SL/VR4 Caliper Clearance
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 20:38:45
-0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Errin - if you're after caliper to rim measurements for a 2nd gen
VR-4 I
think you cannot compare to a Stealth TT. As recently discovered
by Mike
Chapelski it appears that the Stealth TT calipers are somewhat wider
that
the VR-4 counterpart.
In case you still need it, my '95 R/T TT
with 18" factory chrome wheels
measure 7 mm between the outer edge of
the caliper and the inside of the
rim.
Oskar
>
>
Could somebody please tell me, to the closest
> accuracy possible, the
difference in wheel
> clearance between a second gen 3000GT SL (or
>
Stealth ES) and a second gen 3000GT VR4 (or
> Stealth TT), in millimeters
if possible.
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 22 20:24:51 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id UAA27623
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 20:24:51 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail1.tor.accglobal.net (mail1.tor.accglobal.net [204.92.55.105])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id UAA27616
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 20:24:48 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from ppp-041.m2-16.tor.ican.net ([142.154.23.41]
helo=default)
by mail1.tor.accglobal.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1)
id
11ernS-0007hG-01; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 23:24:46 -0400
Message-ID:
<000201be3117$440d8c60$29179a8e@default>
From: "nketo"
<nketo@accglobal.net>
To: "Team3S List"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Cc: "Darcy Gunnlaugson"
<wce@bc.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Knock, knock ....
Date:
Sat, 26 Dec 1998 08:25:59 -0800
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3110.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Roger,
When I see Nissan Skylines running 800+ horses, it
makes me wonder *why*
we're getting so much detonation out of 1.00 bar on our
engines.
Perhaps an upgraded front-mount intercooler is our solution.
I've heard of
a Skyline pulling 6000 rpm
at 1.00 bar and only getting an
intake charge 20-30 degrees above ambient.
With our stock intercoolers
becoming too heak soaked, detonation is bound to
happen.
Add that to the
reduction in in-temps, and pressure drop throughout the
core(s), we have
the
recipe for a major restriction in HP.
In theory, maybe this is
what we need to reduce intake temps ultimately; use
a front mount,
water
injection, and race-gas.
25 psi anyone?
What do you guys think?
Can theory apply to
practice?
-Noble
(nketo@accglobal.net)
-----Original
Message-----
From: R.G. <robby@freesurf.ch>
To: Team3S List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Cc: Darcy Gunnlaugson
<wce@bc.sympatico.ca>
Date: Friday, October 22, 1999 12:51
PM
Subject: Team3S: Knock, knock ....
>Knock .... caused by
detonation, to high tolerances and more is the major
>enemy of our engine.
We know that there are some things like higher octane,
>water injection,
ignition upgrade and ... fuel ....can help to get rid of
>the knock. We
know that the later is normally used for the power and not to
>cool the
chamber but looking at the stock rich condition this made
me
>thinking.
>
>If you haven't already seen my MAF
installation page go and check out the
>picture of the first datalog. As I
tuned the fuel controller I did this
like
>everyone with the help of an
A/F meter. This, of course, is simply a
>voltmeter that shows the voltage
with a range from 0-1V. Devided by 10 LEDs
>this means each one represents
10mV. I therefore tuned the thing in to go
up
>to 0.9V at WOT. I did
this and got the car running well and it felt good.
>But the datalog then
showed the truth : knock allover the bandwidth. In
1st,
>2nd and a bit
more in 3rd due to the heavy load, but always there. The most
>interesting
thing was that the ECU did NOT retard the timing even with a
lot
>knock
! Why ?? Is this because the ECU was maybe still learning ? Or could
>the
fact of a static barometric and temp signal be the cause ? Or was the
>ECU
still ignoring this high knock amount ? The later logs showed then
the
>ignition got retarded the longer I ran the car. The car already
runned at
>least 10 miles before I made the tests and this tells me that
it really
take
>soem time until the ECU even learned to retard the
ignition.
>
>Now the last finding reminded me that people are
resetting the ECU before a
>run on the track and will see better
performance then. Sure, we know why :
>The timing is advanced and, even
with knock, it is not retarded ! Result :
>more power ... and more danger.
Therefore, if you do this ONLY DO THIS with
>racing gas. The ECU is not
able to take care of it !
>
>Now the more critical thing : O2 sensor
readings. Look again at the pic and
>you can see that the injector curve
is much lower after the MAF because I
>haven't had it tuned in fully. But
the O2 sensors showed rich 0.92 Volts
>WITH knock. Argh, I hate this word
..... Now one would say bah, this little
>knock, but hey this can and will
hurt your engine more and more. Now how
>would I have the ARC or any fuel
controller tuned in without the datalogger
>??? Yeah, right, with the A/F
meter. But the meter is not the problem,
>although the higher the
resolution the better the ability to tune in the
>fuel controlling device.
But the question is still there : How much knock
do
>I really have,
none, little or too much ?
>
>I'm happy to be able to have the
datalogger and the longer I look at the
>graphs the more do I say to
myself ... $300 for the logger would have saved
>me $3200 or more for
replacing the pistons. I highly recommend using a good
>diagnostic tool
when you are a serious car enthusiast (yep, me) with a thin
>wallet (me
too) and a great racer (ahem, not me).
>
>Today I'd say an A/F
meter, a good voltmeter with peak hold feature and
temp
>reading are
necessary when you start to tweak the fuel system. Even more I
>recommend
an EGT meter and a device like logger to be able to get the most
>out of
your car without too much danger of cracking something. Please
>understand
that I learnt a lot due to my ignorance and I paid for this as
>many of us
did in the past (including a lot friends that are not
knowing
the
>Internet).
>
>Now the ultimate tool would be
.... a knock meter ! I do have the MSD knock
>sensor that comes with a
good filter and it's own piezo coupler
(microphone)
>but I haven't
found any place where it would fit. I will try to find a
space
>close
to the stock sensor when I change the injectors bit I do not plan to
>tap
into the stock sensor. But this wouldn't be a bad thing, because tests
>by
John Basol showed that a knock LED my work although something went
wrong
>and fried the knock sensor (who knows...) But creating such a
device that
>attaches to the stock sensor or to an output of the ECU (not
the solenoid
>LED) with about three LEDs for the knock intensity will be
worth a lot ! It
>would have saved mine and other engine as well as some
more I see in the
>future.
>
>Ok friends, some thoughts from
me regarding fuel and that it is not easy to
>stay away from the dark
zone. Getting injectors, an ARC, pump big turbos,
>everything results in
more hp ... but we need HEALTHY horses and not little
>ponies that are
byte by the dogs.
>
>Happy boosting
>Roger,
>93'3000GT
TT
>
>For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 22 20:27:53 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id UAA27721
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 20:27:53 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail1.tor.accglobal.net (mail1.tor.accglobal.net [204.92.55.105])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id UAA27707
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 20:27:48 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from ppp-041.m2-16.tor.ican.net ([142.154.23.41]
helo=default)
by mail1.tor.accglobal.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1)
id
11erqM-0000Au-01; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 23:27:46 -0400
Message-ID:
<000f01bf1cd5$633b36a0$29179a8e@default>
From: "nketo"
<nketo@accglobal.net>
To: "Team3S List"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Cc: "Darcy Gunnlaugson"
<wce@bc.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Knock, knock ....
Date:
Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:35:39 -0800
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3110.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
-----Original Message-----
To: Team3S List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Cc: Darcy Gunnlaugson
<wce@bc.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Knock, knock
....
>Roger, & everybody,
>
>When I see Nissan
Skylines running 800+ horses, it makes me wonder *why*
>we're getting so
much detonation out of 1.00 bar on our engines.
>Perhaps an upgraded
front-mount intercooler is our solution. I've heard of
>a Skyline
pulling 6000 rpm
>at 1.00 bar and only getting an intake charge 20-30
degrees above ambient.
>
>With our stock intercoolers becoming too
heak soaked, detonation is bound
to
>happen.
>Add that to the
reduction in in-temps, and pressure drop throughout the
>core(s), we have
the
>recipe for a major restriction in HP.
>
>In theory, maybe
this is what we need to reduce intake temps ultimately;
use
>a front
mount,
>water injection, and race-gas.
>25 psi
anyone?
>
>What do you guys think? Can theory apply to
practice?
>
>-Noble
>(nketo@accglobal.net)
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original
Message-----
>From: R.G. <robby@freesurf.ch>
>To: Team3S List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
>Cc: Darcy Gunnlaugson
<wce@bc.sympatico.ca>
>Date: Friday, October 22, 1999 12:51
PM
>Subject: Team3S: Knock, knock ....
>
>
>>Knock
.... caused by detonation, to high tolerances and more is the
major
>>enemy of our engine. We know that there are some things like
higher
octane,
>>water injection, ignition upgrade and ... fuel
....can help to get rid of
>>the knock. We know that the later is
normally used for the power and not
to
>>cool the chamber but
looking at the stock rich condition this made
me
>>thinking.
>>
>>If you haven't already seen my
MAF installation page go and check out the
>>picture of the first
datalog. As I tuned the fuel controller I did
this
>like
>>everyone with the help of an A/F meter. This, of
course, is simply a
>>voltmeter that shows the voltage with a range
from 0-1V. Devided by 10
LEDs
>>this means each one represents 10mV.
I therefore tuned the thing in to go
>up
>>to 0.9V at WOT. I did
this and got the car running well and it felt good.
>>But the datalog
then showed the truth : knock allover the bandwidth.
In
>1st,
>>2nd and a bit more in 3rd due to the heavy load, but
always there. The
most
>>interesting thing was that the ECU did NOT
retard the timing even with a
>lot
>>knock ! Why ?? Is this
because the ECU was maybe still learning ? Or could
>>the fact of a
static barometric and temp signal be the cause ? Or was the
>>ECU still
ignoring this high knock amount ? The later logs showed then
the
>>ignition got retarded the longer I ran the car. The car already
runned at
>>least 10 miles before I made the tests and this tells me
that it really
>take
>>soem time until the ECU even learned to
retard the ignition.
>>
>>Now the last finding reminded me
that people are resetting the ECU before
a
>>run on the track and
will see better performance then. Sure, we know why :
>>The timing is
advanced and, even with knock, it is not retarded ! Result :
>>more
power ... and more danger. Therefore, if you do this ONLY DO
THIS
with
>>racing gas. The ECU is not able to take care of it
!
>>
>>Now the more critical thing : O2 sensor readings. Look
again at the pic
and
>>you can see that the injector curve is much
lower after the MAF because I
>>haven't had it tuned in fully. But the
O2 sensors showed rich 0.92 Volts
>>WITH knock. Argh, I hate this word
..... Now one would say bah, this
little
>>knock, but hey this can
and will hurt your engine more and more. Now how
>>would I have the ARC
or any fuel controller tuned in without the
datalogger
>>??? Yeah,
right, with the A/F meter. But the meter is not the problem,
>>although
the higher the resolution the better the ability to tune in the
>>fuel
controlling device. But the question is still there : How much
knock
>do
>>I really have, none, little or too much
?
>>
>>I'm happy to be able to have the datalogger and the
longer I look at the
>>graphs the more do I say to myself ... $300 for
the logger would have
saved
>>me $3200 or more for replacing the
pistons. I highly recommend using a
good
>>diagnostic tool when you
are a serious car enthusiast (yep, me) with a
thin
>>wallet (me too)
and a great racer (ahem, not me).
>>
>>Today I'd say an A/F
meter, a good voltmeter with peak hold feature
and
>temp
>>reading are necessary when you start to tweak the
fuel system. Even more I
>>recommend an EGT meter and a device like
logger to be able to get the most
>>out of your car without too much
danger of cracking something. Please
>>understand that I learnt a lot
due to my ignorance and I paid for this as
>>many of us did in the past
(including a lot friends that are not
knowing
>the
>>Internet).
>>
>>Now the ultimate
tool would be .... a knock meter ! I do have the MSD
knock
>>sensor
that comes with a good filter and it's own piezo
coupler
>(microphone)
>>but I haven't found any place where it
would fit. I will try to find a
>space
>>close to the stock
sensor when I change the injectors bit I do not plan to
>>tap into the
stock sensor. But this wouldn't be a bad thing, because tests
>>by John
Basol showed that a knock LED my work although something
went
wrong
>>and fried the knock sensor (who knows...) But creating
such a device that
>>attaches to the stock sensor or to an output of
the ECU (not the solenoid
>>LED) with about three LEDs for the knock
intensity will be worth a lot !
It
>>would have saved mine and other
engine as well as some more I see in
the
>>future.
>>
>>Ok friends, some thoughts from me
regarding fuel and that it is not easy
to
>>stay away from the dark
zone. Getting injectors, an ARC, pump big turbos,
>>everything results
in more hp ... but we need HEALTHY horses and not
little
>>ponies
that are byte by the dogs.
>>
>>Happy
boosting
>>Roger,
>>93'3000GT TT
>>
>>For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
>http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>>
>
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 23 00:41:35 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id AAA00339
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 00:41:35 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id AAA00332
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 00:41:32 -0700
(PDT)
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
Received: from TurboDrvn@aol.com
by
imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id uXDJOUaX7_ (3706)
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 03:41:09 -0400
(EDT)
Message-ID: <0.6c04c062.2542c094@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Oct
1999 03:41:08 EDT
Subject: Team3S: Update: NO BOOST!!!
situation.
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer:
Windows AOL sub 44
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Well everyone,
we did the compression test today!! These were the following
measurements:
Cylinder #1 : 165psi
Cylinder #2 :
165psi
Cylinder #3 : 150psi
Cylinder #4 : 160psi
Cylinder
#5 : 160psi
Cylinder #6 : 165psi
This was NOT a thorough
leak down compression test. It was just a simple
"insert
compression tool" into cylinder & crank motor test!!! All
cylinders
were very healthy, considering I have 82,000 miles!!!!! # 3
Cylinder was
the weakest at 150psi. So I definitely do NOT have
an internal motor problem
(pistons, rings, valves, etc.); my tests have
confirmed that my IHI turbos
indeed are definitely the problem of my NO
BOOST situation!!!! Now I'll
have to pay yet again to take apart
the turbos to inspect the exhaust/hot
sides and have to buy new turbos and
re-install them all over again!!
I figured, may as well put new spark
plugs in since everything was apart.
Replaced old NGK plugs (only
10,000 miles old) gapped at .032 (all appeared
healthy; but I thought
might as well change to newer plugs anyway) with New
NGK plugs gapped at
.034 ; then I noticed quite a bit of oil in my bov area,
y-pipe,
throttle body and rear turbo area (due to a bad turbo???). Put
everything back together - but had major "gun shot" sounds
(backfire) when I
decelerated. The backfire sounds only occurred when
I let off the throttle
(NOT at WOT) and was slowing down. The
frequency of these backfires are
considerably more than when my older plugs
were gapped at .032 ; my question
is why?? Why did only .002
make such a difference?? ( I have all cats
gutted and will eventually
be running high boost again sometime in the near
future) Am I getting
too much oil or fuel into my system causing the
backfire????? any
ideas?? Remember I still have NO Boost!!! And my VR4
runs
perfectly, like a NON-turbo car. It idles fine and runs fine; just no
Turbo boost. I only get 0psi on my aftermarket boost gauge (around -5
to -7
on factory boost gauge) and definitely have NO feeling of turbo
power! I
wonder if the backfiring (when decelerating) will
disappear once my boost is
back??????
I will keep everyone
posted.
Ahmed "AL-Crazy" - '92 VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sat Oct 23 02:24:46 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
CAA01364
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 02:24:46 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch
[194.158.230.44])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
CAA01342
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999
02:24:39 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from rg (194.230.237.195) by
newmail.spectraweb.ch; 23 Oct 1999 11:20:57 +0200
Message-ID:
<002b01bf1d38$31c177c0$c3ede6c2@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "3000GT / Stealth List"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<01a901bf1cce$c63b9ee0$c6e2e6c2@rg>
<38111C46.4AE6A9B0@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Knock, knock
....
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 10:34:19 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> Roger and others - Do you feel you can safely run a car with
the
datalogger alone. For
> example if I run high enough octane
fuel to eliminate knock at a given
boost level, do I
> guarantee I'm
not damaging the engine? Or, is knock only part of the
picture,
you
> should also watch EGT temps and O2 voltage to ensure your not
running
lean? Can running
> lean damage the engine if its not
severe enough to cause knock?
Yes, running lean is critical but the
logger will see this with the O2
sensors, the knock and the timing. Our ECU
does take care of the mixture and
retards the timing when knock occurs (after
relearning). For such situation
we must know that the logger is only able to
read what the ECU can give you
and the more values you record the less is the
frequency of the readings.
Therefore, a peak may not be found but the ECU
acts upon it.
If you want to do the tuning job most seriously you'll need
:
- temp readings : intake, turbo discharge, intercooler out, before
TB,
intake plenum, EGT
- pressure readings : discharge, after intercooler,
before turbo (turbine
backpressure), after turbo (exhaust
backpressure)
Unfortunately, we cannot read the combustion chamber
temperatures although
ther is a plug that is able to do this. Price is in the
thousands !
Knock is indeed the result of bad conditions and therefore
it's not good to
fight the symptoms but the cause of this problem. An example
: very short
lean situations can be caused by too much turbine backpressure.
This can
push the already burnt gases back into the combustion chamber and
the result
will be lean burn in the next cycle. But our ECU can check this as
it is
able to recognize a bad burn in each of our chambers and therefore
retards
the timing if necessary. But this retard often causes the EGT to rise
into
bnad dimensions for the material. Therefore, the datalogger may not see
any
knock caused by detonation as well as our "cheap" O2 sensors
just see rich
conditions but the EGT is way too high. A result of a lot of
such situations
can then be damage that finally will show knock then. IMHO,
and EGT is
necessary (I have two who are sitting around) for sure and with
the
combination with the datalogger it's the best way to tune in the
car.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sat Oct 23 02:24:48 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
CAA01372
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 02:24:48 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch
[194.158.230.44])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
CAA01347
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999
02:24:40 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from rg (194.230.237.195) by
newmail.spectraweb.ch; 23 Oct 1999 11:20:58 +0200
Message-ID:
<002c01bf1d38$32727840$c3ede6c2@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "Team3S List"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Cc: "Darcy Gunnlaugson"
<wce@bc.sympatico.ca>
References:
<000201be3117$440d8c60$29179a8e@default>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Knock,
knock ....
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 10:46:42 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
8bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> When I see Nissan Skylines running 800+ horses, it makes me
wonder *why*
> we're getting so much detonation out of 1.00 bar on our
engines.
> Perhaps an upgraded front-mount intercooler is our
solution. I've heard
of
> a Skyline pulling 6000 rpm
> at
1.00 bar and only getting an intake charge 20-30 degrees above
ambient.
Fisrt, the engines are a total different design and to pull out
800 horses
they are using very good pistons, rods and speacial treted
walls.
The intercoolers are only one problem but you must see the full
picture :
- little turbos
- small intercoolers
- a lot piping
- weak
ignition
> Add that to the reduction in in-temps, and pressure drop
throughout the
> core(s), we have the recipe for a major restriction in
HP.
Above 10 psi the 9b run out of their specs and the discharge temp
reaches
very high values. You can then take a huge FMIC that cools the air
down but
IMHO, at first yo uhave to do somethign to the turbo. 15G for
example have a
total different efficiency area and the discharge temp at
15psi is much
lower than ob the tiny 9b or even my 13g. The intake temp
became negligible
here as the temp reached 290°F (!) The result was
172°F at the intake, about
90°F above ambient on that day ! With
water injection, this temperature has
then be lowered down to 102°F max
after the other run and this was only
about 10°F above ambient what was a
good level. This gave me more power,
more advanced timing and less knock. The
same can be achieved with a huge
intercooler.
> In theory, maybe
this is what we need to reduce intake temps ultimately;
use
> a front
mount, water injection, and race-gas. 25 psi anyone?
> What do you guys
think? Can theory apply to practice?
No theory, reality ! Not 25
psi, because here I'd say to take forged pistons
and very good seals, not
stock garbage (grin) With race gas you hinder
detonation as you do with the
colder intake. This is the formula but I'd
start at the turbos if you want to
go the prof. way :)
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 23 02:24:49 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id CAA01377
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 02:24:49 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id CAA01351
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 02:24:41 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from rg (194.230.237.195) by newmail.spectraweb.ch; 23 Oct
1999 11:20:59 +0200
Message-ID:
<002d01bf1d38$32f8bf40$c3ede6c2@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<0.6c04c062.2542c094@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Update: NO
BOOST!!! situation.
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 11:22:45
+0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> Well everyone, we did the compression test
today!!
Great, no problem on the head and piston side. Damn good readings
!!
> my tests have confirmed that my IHI turbos indeed are definitely
the
problem
Aha, IHI - Turbos ???? Don't they have a custom flange to
the exhaust
manifolds ?? Definitely, they have to come apart to
check.
> then I noticed quite a bit of oil in my bov area,
y-pipe, throttle body
and
Well, there is always some oil around but
you should not see a lake !
> considerably more than when my older
plugs were gapped at .032 ; my
question
> is why?? Why did
only .002 make such a difference??
What, if the ignition has a problem or
the O2 sensors do not give the right
readings ?? Again, I wish to see a
datalog. Don't you have a friend or so
who's able to lend you the logger
?
> Am I getting too much oil or fuel into my system causing the
backfire?
Backfire could be fuel that is ignited in the exhaust. When you
take your
turbos off you'll find some signs, like white or very light brown
colors
around the turbine inlet and the turbine itselfs that could be
pointing to
such a cause.
> Turbo boost. I only get 0psi on
my aftermarket boost gauge (around -5
to -7
> on factory boost gauge)
and definitely have NO feeling of turbo power!
What, if the turbine
wheels are running free and the shaft between it and
the compressor wheel is
not connected ? If one of both are not sitting
properly on the shaft or
something broke this coudl be happen and you have a
totally normal runnign
engine. Maybe both turbos runned into the same
problem due to the backfiring
that does bad things to the turbine or at
least the wastegates or flanges. If
this conditions stay over a longer
period the gates may got damaged and start
to leak. It is really possible
that this happend on both within a week. Why
not taking the front O2 sensor
housing off and inspecting the wastegates and
turbine wheel conditions from
there ? Not a big deal but worth the
time.
Good luck,
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 23 08:36:20 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id IAA05933
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 08:36:20 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET (cedar-rapids.net [206.24.60.1])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id IAA05926
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 08:36:17 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from c440759-a.cdrrpd1.ia.home.com ([24.10.221.131]) by
CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET
with SMTP (IPAD 2.5/64) id 9592800 ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999
10:32:19 -0500
Message-Id:
<3.0.5.32.19991023103022.008e0100@cedar-rapids.net>
X-Sender:
merritt@cedar-rapids.net
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5
(32)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 10:30:22 -0500
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
From: Merritt
<merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Rebuilding
calipers
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Can the front
brake calipers on a 94 VR4 be rebuilt?
I seem to have totally banged,
scratched, and gouged the pistons, and I
ruined several O-rings on my
calipers from a dozen or more pad changes this
season. Is this something that
can be done on the workbench or is it best
left to a dealer? Is there a
rebuilding kit?
Even if I go to the Big Red, I still need to fix my old
calipers.
And while we're on the subject, any chance the front calipers
would fit on
the rear?...I can see a system with Big Red up front and the big
front
calipers on the rear. Might actually stop the furshlugginer
car.
Please advise.
Rich/old poop/94 VR4/somebody stop me!
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 23 09:06:03 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA06488
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 09:06:03 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mailgw02.execpc.com (sendmail@mailgw02.execpc.com [169.207.3.78])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id JAA06481
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 09:06:00 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from pop01.execpc.com (pop01.execpc.com
[169.207.2.114])
by mailgw02.execpc.com (8.9.1) id LAA31174
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 11:05:59
-0500
Received: from execpc.com (ferengal-2-39.mdm.mke.execpc.com
[169.207.128.167]) by pop01.execpc.com (8.8.8) id LAA00025 for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 11:05:58
-0500
Message-ID: <3811DC21.6F8C80CB@execpc.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Oct
1999 11:02:41 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Reply-To:
xwing@execpc.com
Organization: Exec-PC
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95;
U)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Sirius 3000GT Mail List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: VR4 AWD Torque
Split ACTUAL
References:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7651@EXCHANGE1>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
The
3000GT/Stealth TT in the USA and in the whole world I feel confident,
have
always had a 45% front / 55% rear torque bias. There was no change
in
1994/with the 6 speed. The 91-93 most definitely also had this SAME
45/55% split. For
reference,
see most any article on the car but for
specifics I refer to the most complete article on
the car/tech specs when it
first came out: Road and Track, September 1990--has the
3000VR4 on the
COVER with title "PUMPED UP!"
This states on p.41 that
center planetary diff incoprorates a VCU; with tires getting same
traction,
split is 45/55 front/rear. With slippage at either end, the end with more
traction
gets more torque.
Matt, where did you see any reports to the
contrary? That is bad info, hate to let that get
into people's minds
because it will be a myth from then on...
Jack Tertadian
Matt Jannusch
wrote:
> > > AWD 55% at the rear wheels and 45% at the front
wheels.
> > I heard '91-93 models actually had
> > 40/60
split and it was not until '94-99
> > that cars came with 45/55
split...
>
> These are the correct numbers. It was changed in
'94 when the 6-speed Getrag was introduced.
> -Matt '95 3000GT Spyder
VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 23 09:09:40 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA06551
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 09:09:40 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mailgw00.execpc.com (sendmail@mailgw00.execpc.com [169.207.1.78])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id JAA06544
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 09:09:37 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from pop01.execpc.com (pop01.execpc.com
[169.207.2.114])
by mailgw00.execpc.com (8.9.1) id LAA26638
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 11:09:36
-0500
Received: from execpc.com (ferengal-2-39.mdm.mke.execpc.com
[169.207.128.167]) by pop01.execpc.com (8.8.8) id LAA00512 for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 11:09:36
-0500
Message-ID: <3811DCFB.7C0EBEB5@execpc.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Oct
1999 11:06:19 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Reply-To:
xwing@execpc.com
Organization: Exec-PC
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95;
U)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Sirius 3000GT Mail List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: xfer case oil
check
References:
<19991021220049.10456.qmail@hotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I believe the
1991 models had only 2 access holes: the drain hole, and one fill
hole.
The level was supposed to be set a bit BELOW the fill hole, a
difficult thing to do.
The 1992+ had 3 holes: drain, fill, and
CHECK on the driverside faceplate (a 14mm bolt
head);
fill
till runs out the check hole.
1994+ 6 speed (cast iron) xfer cases again
have 2 holes: drain, and fill;
fill to the lower edge of
hole.
Jack Tertadian
Curt Gendron wrote:
> The picture
in the newer manuals are incorrect for the transfer case. The
>
picture they show is the 91-93 transfer case. They have three plugs.
The
> 94+ iron transfer cases only have two plugs, drain and
fill/check.
> Curt
>
> >Then I moved on to the xfer
case. My manual shows a drain bolt
> >(bottom), fill bolt (front)
and inspection bolt (side), but I could not
> >find the inspection
bolt. Was it eliminated with the 2nd gen xfer
> >cases? I
have the '94 shop manual but perhaps it wasn't updated.
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 23 10:33:07 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id KAA07577
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 10:33:07 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id KAA07570
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 10:33:04 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from default (207-172-196-217.s217.tnt1.hck.nj.dialup.rcn.com
[207.172.196.217])
by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id
NAA17017;
Sat, 23 Oct 1999 13:33:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Sam
Shelat" <sshelat@erols.com>
To: "Matthews"
<matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>,
"Team 3S Tech List" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: VR4-AWS?
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 13:20:57 -0000
Message-ID:
<01bf1e22$9b425440$d9c4accf@default>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.71.1712.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Its really not a double overdrive. The gears are spaced
tighter, so the
sixth is like the old fifth. I use 6th all the time at
highway speeds of
60-80 cause otherwise the rpms are up around 3k and your
wasting gas!!
Sam 95 VR4
-----Original Message-----
From:
Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
To: Team 3S Tech List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Friday, October 22, 1999 4:54
PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: VR4-AWS?
>robby@freesurf.ch
wrote:
>>
>> > as being an upgrade :-) For a car with this
much torque I feel the six
>> > speed is unnecessary. The six is
supposed to be a little stronger
>> > but from the complaints of the
owners I'm not to sure
>>
>> Oh, I highly disagree with the
six speed is unnecessary ! I drove both
and
>> must say the six
speeder has a much better power band in 2nd and 3rd than
>> mine. It
just feels lighter and better selectable on the road,
especially
up
>> the hills and through the serpentines. Of course,
just my opinion :-)
>
>True, but remember that the roads and speed
limits are a bit different
>over here! A double overdrive
transmission is very useful in Europe
>where it is possible (ie- legal) to
cruise at well over 100 mph all day
>long, but the more I drive over here,
the more I wonder when I ever used
>sixth gear back in the
states!
>
>Okay, back to tech topics... -Jim
>--
>Jim
Matthews - Wiesbaden, Germany
>matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (64 Kbps
ISDN)
>http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews
>
>***
3000GT-Stealth International (3Si) Member #0030
***
>http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews/stealth.html
>Jet
Black '94 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
>Adjustable Active
Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
>K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R
(1.0 bar @ 72% BADC)
>A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off
Valve
>Magnecore spark plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
>Metal
Matrix brake pads, custom braided brake lines
>Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4
245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 168mph
>G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @
113.9 mph
>1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 406 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft
torque
>
>
>For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sat Oct 23 11:45:35 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
LAA08390
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 11:45:35 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch
[194.158.230.44])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
LAA08372
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999
11:45:30 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from rg (194.230.229.241) by
newmail.spectraweb.ch; 23 Oct 1999 20:41:48 +0200
Message-ID:
<001c01bf1d86$8aaed500$f1e5e6c2@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>,
"Merritt" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
References:
<3.0.5.32.19991023103022.008e0100@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Rebuilding calipers
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:39:36
+0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> Can the front brake calipers on a 94 VR4 be
rebuilt?
Yes.
> I seem to have totally banged, scratched, and
gouged the pistons, and I
> ruined several O-rings on my calipers from a
dozen or more pad changes
this
> season. Is this something that can be
done on the workbench or is it best
> left to a dealer? Is there a
rebuilding kit?
I don't know if there is a kit but I got a set with all
rings and boots. The
pistons on mien are onyl scratched at the top because I
pushed them back
without the necessary tool.
> And while we're on
the subject, any chance the front calipers would fit on
> the rear?...I
can see a system with Big Red up front and the big front
> calipers on the
rear. Might actually stop the furshlugginer car.
Well, you need to get
rid of the handbrake and this is not easy ! The
diameter of the rotor is too
small for the larger caliper. I think your 94
should already have the two
piston rear caliper and with the Bremsas and PBR
brakes the braking got a
much better feeling for me.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 23 11:45:36 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id LAA08398
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 11:45:36 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id LAA08376
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 11:45:30 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from rg (194.230.229.241) by newmail.spectraweb.ch; 23 Oct
1999 20:41:48 +0200
Message-ID:
<001d01bf1d86$8b0be920$f1e5e6c2@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "Sirius 3000GT Mail List"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7651@EXCHANGE1>
<3811DC21.6F8C80CB@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: VR4 AWD Torque
Split ACTUAL
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:43:04 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> The 3000GT/Stealth TT in the USA and in the whole world I feel
confident,
> have always had a 45% front / 55% rear torque bias.
There was no change
in
> 1994/with the 6 speed.
I also checked
the information I have seen like prospectus and on every
report and every
paper where the bias was mentioned a 45/55 was written for
any
years.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sat Oct 23 12:16:58 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
MAA08767
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:16:58 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from spiro.isd.net (spiro.isd.net [208.153.200.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id MAA08759
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:16:35 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from isd.net (isd-du-208-238-140-36.isd.net
[208.238.140.36])
by spiro.isd.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id
OAA27208
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999
14:15:48 -0500
Message-ID: <38120959.A808ABE@isd.net>
Date: Sat, 23
Oct 1999 14:15:37 -0500
From: Rah <rah@isd.net>
Reply-To:
rah@isd.net
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I)
X-Accept-Language:
en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: "stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Strut
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hello all, new
to the car and I'm hearing that one of my struts is
leaking, and I'm worried
about cost mainly. I have a 93 R/T TT, and
when I quickly inquired to a
friend from a tire store he recalled
Cadillac's electronic struts running
round $500? Same deal? Ack!
Thanks in
advance,
--Rich
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 23 12:59:36 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id MAA09136
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:59:36 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mailhost.oeaa.com (mailhost.oeaa.com [216.103.199.12])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id MAA09129
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:59:33 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by mailhost.oeaa.com with Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
id <TZS6ZF7G>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:55:03
-0700
Message-ID:
<111D7AE95918D311A41D0060970F86E44A1C59@mailhost.oeaa.com>
From: Luis
Interiano <Interian@oeaa.com>
To: "Stealth-3000gt (E-mail)"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Head Light
glass
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:54:57 -0700
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer:
Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hello all,
I
don't know how many of you on the group have this problem, but I have it
so I
have to assume some of you do as well, it is what looks like stress
fractures
in the head light glass. I don't have the problem on both
headlights
just the passenger side one. Is this just a rare thing and
should just
replace or is this an issue that reoccurs no mater what you do.
Thank you for
any help in advance.
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 23 14:29:10 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id OAA10139
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:29:10 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id OAA10131
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:29:03 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from rg (194.230.237.70) by newmail.spectraweb.ch; 23 Oct
1999 23:25:15 +0200
Message-ID:
<006301bf1d9d$60470000$f1e5e6c2@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: <rah@isd.net>,
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<38120959.A808ABE@isd.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Strut
Date: Sat, 23
Oct 1999 23:25:00 +0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> Hello all, new to the car and I'm hearing that one of my struts
is
> leaking, and I'm worried about cost mainly. I have a 93 R/T TT,
and
> when I quickly inquired to a friend from a tire store he
recalled
> Cadillac's electronic struts running round $500? Same
deal?
Unfortunately, the stock struts are damn expensive but Mitsu should
be able
to repair them if they are not damaged too much. The price will be in
the
$380 area but this could depend on where to get the parts from. Shooping
in
calling around is maybe worth the time.
Roger
93'3000GT
TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 23 14:47:21 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id OAA10308
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:47:21 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id OAA10301
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:47:17 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from rg (194.230.204.138) by newmail.spectraweb.ch; 23 Oct
1999 23:43:34 +0200
Message-ID:
<006901bf1d9f$ef2be4a0$f1e5e6c2@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "Team3S List"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Cc: "Darcy Gunnlaugson"
<wce@bc.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Team3S: Less ign advance or knock
??
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:45:22 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Gang,
I'm currently testing the G-Force ECU and the programs
for it. The first
version showed a timing that was less advanced than my
european one and even
less timing than another US ECU datalog. The result was
about zero knock
with the less timing and no noticeable loss in power. The
car still feels
fast and pulls hard but of course, less timing means less
power ... or am I
wrong ?? I think this is correct as a retard in the timing
always causes
loss in power.
As usual, I start thinking a lot about
this stuff and asked myself :
- if the timing is not that advanced as
normal, the boost could be increased
more and will also more than compensate
the loss of the lower timing. This
of course will result in earlier fuel
problems.
- if the timing is advanced more, we can crank boost back to get
the same
amount of power and therefore the fuel system would be
healthier.
Unfortunately, knock occurs earlier then too.
Of course, if
an ignition enhancement cures some detonation problems the
second part will
be no problem and we can stock with it. But if knock stays
I just can't say
what is better. More boost also means more stress to the
internals while a
more advanced timing causes earlier knock.
Either way has pros and cons
but what way would you go ? I do have two more
programs with a more enhanced
timing but it seems that my EU ECU had some
more differneces as I notice the
fans are stay on all the time after
warm-up. Is this common for a Californian
car ?
Opinions, ideas ?
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 23 15:39:34 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id PAA10803
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:39:34 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail1.tor.accglobal.net (mail1.tor.accglobal.net [204.92.55.105])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id PAA10796
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:39:31 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from ppp-130.m2-4.tor.ican.net ([142.154.21.130]
helo=default)
by mail1.tor.accglobal.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1)
id
11f9os-00032Z-01; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 18:39:28 -0400
Message-ID:
<000401be30b4$007a1580$82159a8e@default>
From: "nketo"
<nketo@accglobal.net>
To: "Team3S List"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Cc: "Darcy Gunnlaugson"
<wce@bc.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Turbo questions for
all
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 01:41:54 -0800
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
8bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3110.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
To Roger and everybody,
Intake temps after the turbos of 290
degrees with 13G's?
That's seems way too much! I can only imagine over
300 with the 9G's.
Does anyone have experience with other turbos?
What
about the intake temps after the turbos or the intake plenium with
15G's or
those hybrid units
everyone is talking about?
I'm thinking Brian's BIG
ass monster turbos (@GTPro) would work great;
they'd only be working
probably
at about 40-50% efficiency though.
Any input you have would
be great.
Thanks in advance to all :)
-Noble
-----Original
Message-----
From: R.G. <robby@freesurf.ch>
To: Team3S List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Cc: Darcy Gunnlaugson
<wce@bc.sympatico.ca>
Date: Saturday, October 23, 1999 1:25
AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Knock, knock ....
Above 10 psi the 9b
run out of their specs and the discharge temp reaches
very high values. You
can then take a huge FMIC that cools the air down but
IMHO, at first yo uhave
to do somethign to the turbo. 15G for example have a
total different
efficiency area and the discharge temp at 15psi is much
lower than ob the
tiny 9b or even my 13g. The intake temp became negligible
here as the temp
reached 290°F (!) The result was 172°F at the intake, about
90°F
above ambient on that day ! With water injection, this temperature has
then
be lowered down to 102°F max after the other run and this was only
about
10°F above ambient what was a good level. This gave me more power,
more
advanced timing and less knock. The same can be achieved with a
huge
intercooler.
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 23 15:43:44 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id PAA10880
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:43:44 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
riven.plaza.ds.adp.com ([139.126.16.128])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id PAA10873
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:43:41 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from exchange04.plaza.ds.adp.com ([139.126.124.14]) by
riven.plaza.ds.adp.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA14364; Sat, 23 Oct 1999
15:45:07 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by exchange04.plaza.ds.adp.com with Internet
Mail Service (5.5.2232.9)
id <V3H3PC3K>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:44:06
-0700
Message-ID:
<2B6D2E7F9E0AD311AB0500805FB7ECD00F41C1@exchange01.plaza.ds.adp.com>
From:
Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
To: "'R.G.'"
<robby@freesurf.ch>
Cc: Team3S List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Less ignition
advance or knock ??
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:43:34 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="ISO-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Roger...
I'm on my third set of G-Force chips, still haven't
found the right program.
Running too rich, still fouling plugs, stripping oil
from the cylinders. I
did get (from Robert) a printout of the maps for the
most recent set. It's
difficult for me to understand, as I don't have a
matching printout of the
stock maps, but it might be useful for you. I can
fax a copy, or...???
FWIW...my experience with G-Force chips has been
that, as I increase boost,
I lose power. I've attributed this to the rich
condition, but it could be
the timing. For this reason, I'm only getting into
the high 12s, even though
I have a set of mods that should get me into the
11s. I may yet have to
break down and buy a A/F controller, preferably one
that replaces the MAF.
I'm VERY glad you're doing all the scientific research
for me (and others),
it's SOOOO much better than the "hit and miss"
approach.
KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!!!
BTW...under 70 degree (F)
ambient temps, one of my fans is on. The other
only turns on under long
boost, and/or higher ambient temps.
Looking forward...Chris
1995
Glacier Pearl White VR4 (w/HKS Super Flo intake, TEC 15G turbos, bored
and
polished throttle body, RC 560cc injectors, HKS fuel pump, GReddy PRofec
A
boost controller, G-force ECU upgrade, HKS SBOV, custom
intercoolers,
Predator dry cell battery, Magnecore 8.5mm wires, NGK double
platinum plugs
gapped at .030", ATR downpipe and test pipe, GReddy
catback exhaust, GReddy
turbo timer, Eibach 1" drop progressive springs,
Michelin SX MXX3 Pilots)
-----Original Message-----
From: R.G.
[mailto:robby@freesurf.ch]
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 1999 2:45 PM
To:
Team3S List
Cc: Darcy Gunnlaugson
Subject: Team3S: Less ign advance or
knock ??
Gang,
I'm currently testing the G-Force ECU and the
programs for it. The first
version showed a timing that was less advanced
than my european one and even
less timing than another US ECU datalog. The
result was about zero knock
with the less timing and no noticeable loss in
power. The car still feels
fast and pulls hard but of course, less timing
means less power ... or am I
wrong ?? I think this is correct as a retard in
the timing always causes
loss in power.
As usual, I start thinking a
lot about this stuff and asked myself :
- if the timing is not that
advanced as normal, the boost could be increased
more and will also more than
compensate the loss of the lower timing. This
of course will result in
earlier fuel problems.
- if the timing is advanced more, we can crank boost
back to get the same
amount of power and therefore the fuel system would be
healthier.
Unfortunately, knock occurs earlier then too.
Of course, if
an ignition enhancement cures some detonation problems the
second part will
be no problem and we can stock with it. But if knock stays
I just can't say
what is better. More boost also means more stress to the
internals while a
more advanced timing causes earlier knock.
Either way has pros and cons
but what way would you go ? I do have two more
programs with a more enhanced
timing but it seems that my EU ECU had some
more differneces as I notice the
fans are stay on all the time after
warm-up. Is this common for a Californian
car ?
Opinions, ideas ?
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 23 15:57:07 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id PAA11032
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:57:07 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id PAA11025
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:57:04 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from default (207-172-196-149.s149.tnt1.hck.nj.dialup.rcn.com
[207.172.196.149])
by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id
SAA01963
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999
18:57:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Sam Shelat"
<sshelat@erols.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Fuel injectors, 4ws,
and my new Stillen DP
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 18:44:59 -0000
Message-ID:
<01bf1e4f$dfd82f80$95c4accf@default>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.71.1712.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
I know these are two unrelated, but it saves space. I was
wondering if
anyone might know if the Supras (MK4) injectors will work on our
cars? I
know they are 550cc and if so, here is another car we can
borrow parts from.
Also, one member stated that 95 and 96 TT do not have
AWS. This is not what
it says in my manual or in the specs of the
car. Is this guy mistaken or
what?
Oh by the way, just
received the Stillen DP. It eliminates the front Cat
and the main cat
and has provisions for O2 sensors which I can not find on
my 95s stock
D.P.. Its a beautiful unit, but I do not like messing with
the main
cat. Does anyone know if the check engine will come on w/o the
cats
present? \\\
Thanks.
Sam 95 VR4 K&N, HKS SSBOV,
Stillen D.P., Greddy TT, APex
AVCr
Perf. Friction Pads
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 23 16:20:00 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id QAA11301
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 16:20:00 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
riven.plaza.ds.adp.com ([139.126.16.128])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id QAA11288
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 16:19:57 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from exchange04.plaza.ds.adp.com ([139.126.124.14]) by
riven.plaza.ds.adp.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA14574; Sat, 23 Oct 1999
16:21:20 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by exchange04.plaza.ds.adp.com with Internet
Mail Service (5.5.2232.9)
id <V3H3PCP2>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 16:20:18
-0700
Message-ID:
<2B6D2E7F9E0AD311AB0500805FB7ECD00F41C3@exchange01.plaza.ds.adp.com>
From:
Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
To: "'Sam Shelat'"
<sshelat@erols.com>
Cc: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Stillen DP
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 16:19:46 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="ISO-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Sam...
Actually, attempting to save space by combining
subjects makes it messy for
those who want to respond to, or follow, the
thread of only one topic.
At any rate, all three of my cats miraculously
disappeared (for off-road use
only) and I've never seen a check engine light.
It sounds to me like you got
a post 96 (and even some late 95s) downpipe,
which has pre and post turbo O2
sensors (total of four, OBDCII). The majority
of 95s and all earlier years
have only two O2 sensors, one per turbo. Get a
couple threaded plugs and
you're in business.
Looking
forward...Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Shelat
[mailto:sshelat@erols.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 1999 11:45 AM
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Fuel injectors, 4ws, and my
new Stillen DP
<snip>
Oh by the way, just received the
Stillen DP. It eliminates the front Cat
and the main cat and has
provisions for O2 sensors which I can not find on
my 95s stock
D.P.. Its a beautiful unit, but I do not like messing with
the main
cat. Does anyone know if the check engine will come on w/o the
cats
present? \\\
Thanks.
Sam 95 VR4 K&N, HKS SSBOV,
Stillen D.P., Greddy TT, APex
AVCr
Perf. Friction Pads
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 23 19:29:58 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id TAA13140
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:29:58 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
smtp2.Stanford.EDU (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.23])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id TAA13133
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:29:53 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from stanford.edu (cerfer.Stanford.EDU
[171.66.102.101])
by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/L) with ESMTP id
TAA12138
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999
19:29:51 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
<38126F1F.A11C37FC@stanford.edu>
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:29:51
-0700
From: Raymond Yap <raymond.yap@stanford.edu>
Reply-To:
raymond.yap@stanford.edu
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
CC: Team3S List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: greddy
profec
References:
<000401be30b4$007a1580$82159a8e@default>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I've just got
myself a 2nd hand greddy profec A, and am keen on
installing it myself. Can
anybody tell me where I can pick up some
instructions on doing so ?
Alternatively, can someone recommend a
peformance shop around the bay area
where I can get it fixed up.
cheers,
Raymond.
'91 VR-4
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 23 21:47:48 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id VAA14257
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:47:48 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
demai02.mw.mediaone.net (demai02.mw.mediaone.net [24.131.1.20])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id VAA14250
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:47:45 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mediaone.net (nic-30-c61-152.mw.mediaone.net
[24.30.61.152])
by demai02.mw.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id
AAA01541
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999
00:45:35 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
<3812BC67.28688E4A@mediaone.net>
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 00:59:35
-0700
From: Joe Gonsowski <twinturbo@mediaone.net>
X-Mailer: Mozilla
4.08 [en] (Win98; U)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: 3000GT / Stealth List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Fuel
Pressure
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Anybody running
the HKS in tank fuel pump? I would like to know what
pressure it
delivers to the fuel rail at idle and at positive boost.
Or, as they check it
in the Service manual, at idle with and without the
FPR solenoid connected to
the FPR.
Related question: Do most after-market fuel pumps deliver
a constant
flow rate to the fuel rail no matter what the rpm? At idle,
the FPR
allows most of the fuel to return to the fuel tank thus keeping
rail
pressure down. Then the FPR, when it senses boost, closes the
return
line which causes the rail pressure to raise. Correct these
statements
if they're flawed.
Thanks,
Joe Gonsowski
'92 R/T
TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 23 22:13:01 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id WAA14492
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 22:13:01 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
linkline.com (mail.linkline.com [207.67.165.2])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id WAA14485
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 22:12:58 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from default [207.137.59.124] by linkline.com
(SMTPD32-5.05) id A4A0243C017A; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 22:09:52 -0700
Message-ID:
<005d01bf1ddd$261a50e0$7c3b89cf@default>
From: "Jose Soriano"
<amahoser@linkline.com>
To: <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>,
"Merritt" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
References:
<3.0.5.32.19991023103022.008e0100@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Rebuilding calipers
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 22:03:43
-0700
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2014.211
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
I rebuilt my calipers the last time I changed my pads. The rebuild
kits come
with the rubber piston dust caps and the rubber piston o-ring
seals. That's
it. They do not come with new pistons. If your pistons are far
gone... you
might wanna get a set of rebuilt calipers. I'm not an expert on
this but, if
the walls of you pistons are ok and the sctraches and gouges are
not
affecting the seal, then you are probably ok... this is by you own
jugement.
Take a look at the walls of the pistons and you can generally tell
if its ok
or not. I purchased the rebuild kit from car parts store called Car
Quest.
Good Luck
Jose
Soriano
Amahoser@Linkline.com
----- Original Message
-----
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 1999 8:30
AM
Subject: Team3S: Rebuilding calipers
> Can the front brake
calipers on a 94 VR4 be rebuilt?
>
> I seem to have totally banged,
scratched, and gouged the pistons, and I
> ruined several O-rings on my
calipers from a dozen or more pad changes
this
> season. Is this
something that can be done on the workbench or is it best
> left to a
dealer? Is there a rebuilding kit?
>
> Even if I go to the Big Red,
I still need to fix my old calipers.
>
> And while we're on the
subject, any chance the front calipers would fit on
> the rear?...I can
see a system with Big Red up front and the big front
> calipers on the
rear. Might actually stop the furshlugginer car.
>
> Please
advise.
>
> Rich/old poop/94 VR4/somebody stop me!
> For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 23 22:43:29 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id WAA15024
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 22:43:29 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
burgoyne.com (burgoyne.com [209.197.0.8])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id WAA15017
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 22:43:25 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from p9u2n5 (ip146.redrock.net [209.197.11.146])
by
burgoyne.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA06912
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:43:23
-0600
Message-ID: <003a01bf1de1$2fa2aaa0$920bc5d1@p9u2n5>
From:
"CEskelsen" <cesk@redrock.net>
To: "3000 list"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Hein Coilover
Struts
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:32:06 -0600
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2014.211
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Hello all,
I'm ready for a suspension
upgrade. I've heard that the Hein Coilovers
are an excellent
upgrade. Any other options? After reading Turbo Mag and
seeing
the Bee racing GTO with the HKS setup, I'm wondering if there is a
better
choice. Let me know what you think.
Cory Eskelsen
96 R/T
TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 23 23:19:05 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id XAA15428
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:19:05 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
wiesbaden.netsurf.de (nero.wiesbaden.netsurf.de [194.163.168.140])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id XAA15421
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:19:00 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from wiesbaden.netsurf.de by wiesbaden.netsurf.de with
esmtp
(Smail3.2.0.95 #28) id m11fH6z-001lewC; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 07:26:37 +0100
(MET)
Message-ID: <3812B293.CD009798@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Date:
Sun, 24 Oct 1999 08:17:39 +0100
From: Matthews
<matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en,ja
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Team 3S Tech List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: new brake
pads
References: <38109D97.F9B534F@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
<004401bf1cd4$193f8160$198d0818@msnv1.occa.home.com>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Thanx to all who
responded. Yesterday I did some long, hard braking,
including a set of
three consecutive stops from 100 mph down to 30 mph
or so which had the
brakes smoking and stinking (but not warping!).
Brake power was definitely
improving the more stops I made (ie- ABS was
finally getting involved, even
at 75+ mph with hot brakes). I let them
cool off on the way home and
took a look at the rotors. Where they were
completely polished before,
they now have dark concentric lines (no
grooving), and the pads have taken on
a more reddish color.
Interesting. Anyway, I hope stopping power
continues to increase.
So my understanding at this point is that the
improvement in braking can
be attributed to either pad badding/outgassing or
enough wear on the
rotors to eliminate buildup of the previous pads'
compound.
Why aren't pads sold pre-outgassed? If that was indeed
the real cause
of my dangerous situation, then I would think liability would
be an
issue.
At any rate, be careful when you install new pads!
Make sure you have
full braking power before you need it! Thanx
again...
--
Jim Matthews - Wiesbaden,
Germany
matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (64 Kbps
ISDN)
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews
*** 3000GT-Stealth
International (3Si) Member #0030
***
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews/stealth.html
Jet Black '94
Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension,
Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 72%
BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark
plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
Abex metallic brake pads, custom
braided brake lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed:
168mph
G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno
Session: 406 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft torque
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sun Oct 24 00:38:34 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
AAA16180
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 00:38:34 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from hotmail.com (law-oe3.hotmail.com
[209.185.130.237])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id
AAA16173
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999
00:38:31 -0700 (PDT)
Received: (qmail 78537 invoked by uid 65534); 24 Oct
1999 07:38:11 -0000
Message-ID:
<19991024073811.78536.qmail@hotmail.com>
X-Originating-IP:
[216.214.206.225]
From: "Vineet Singh"
<billi_gates@hotmail.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<199910240447.VAA14268@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: RE: No boost
updates
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 02:41:37 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
This is kinda for Ahmed, but also asking yall,
can't you just
unbolt the water/oil lines to either turbo, undo the "C"
clamp
around the housing, and pull the compressor and center-cartridge out
by
themselves? This sounds much easier to do, and I know you can do it on
the
talons and older supra's... Just wondering, cause soon I have to check
them
myself (my oil/smoke problem).
I heard more backfires (not really
backfires, more like "afterfires") after
gutting my precats and
occasionally running a 2.5" testpipe. This became
MUCH worse with the
DSM injectors (450cc) installed UNTIL I got my AFC
installed. Now the AFC is
kinda set from -20%@1000 thru 0%@7000 linearly.
(high throttle).
The
afterfires still happen once in a while, but not as often, nor as
loud
(SOMETIMES they are really loud tho still :)
Vineet Singh -
Ghetto style exhaust semi-cured.
Manuals On CD -
http://manualcd.dsm.org
Club DSM A/T - http://at.dsm.org -
"Never Lift To Shift!"
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt
Sun Oct 24 03:47:30 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id DAA17980
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 03:47:30 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id DAA17966
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 03:47:24 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from rg (194.230.235.205) by newmail.spectraweb.ch; 24 Oct
1999 12:43:42 +0200
Message-ID:
<001c01bf1e0c$eb77c8c0$cdebe6c2@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "3000GT / Stealth List"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<3812BC67.28688E4A@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Fuel
Pressure
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 12:36:33 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> Anybody running the HKS in tank fuel pump?
HKS = Denso
... yes I do
> I would like to know what pressure it delivers to the
fuel rail at idle
> and at positive boost.
Ahem, fuel
pressure is controlled by the pressure regulator.
> Or, as they check
it in the Service manual, at idle with and without the
> FPR solenoid
connected to the FPR.
Doesn't make sense to me. Fuel pressure is around
43psi at 0 psi boost and
rises as boost rises.
> Related
question: Do most after-market fuel pumps deliver a constant
> flow
rate to the fuel rail no matter what the rpm?
The fuel pump is staged
with a resistor that is switched off by a relay
activated by the
ECU.
> At idle, the FPR allows most of the fuel to return to the fuel
tank thus
keeping rail
> pressure down. Then the FPR, when it
senses boost, closes the return
> line which causes the rail pressure to
raise.
The FPR is a linear device and therefore fuel pressure MUST not be
lower
than a specific rate otherwise the injectors may want to spray more
fuel
than available. This is why a minimum fuel pressure is available but
the
flow is on a low level due to the pump slowed down to about 8V. The more
the
change of the vaccum/boost to the FPR the more the fuel pressure
changes.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sun Oct 24 03:47:31 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
DAA17990
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 03:47:31 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch
[194.158.230.44])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
DAA17970
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999
03:47:25 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from rg (194.230.235.205) by
newmail.spectraweb.ch; 24 Oct 1999 12:43:43 +0200
Message-ID:
<001d01bf1e0c$ebed46e0$cdebe6c2@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "3000 list"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<003a01bf1de1$2fa2aaa0$920bc5d1@p9u2n5>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Hein
Coilover Struts
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 12:38:25 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Never heard of "Hein" ... only "Tein" .... good
stuff I heard but mucho $$$.
> I'm ready for a
suspension upgrade. I've heard that the Hein
Coilovers
> are an
excellent upgrade. Any other options?
Roger
93'3000GT
TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 24 03:48:27 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id DAA18101
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 03:48:27 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.swissonline.ch (mail.swissonline.ch [62.2.32.83])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id DAA18094
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 03:48:23 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from swissonline.ch (pop-ls-09-1-dialup-205.freesurf.ch
[194.230.235.205])
by mail.swissonline.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id
MAA23184;
Sun, 24 Oct 1999 12:48:18 +0200 (MET DST)
Message-ID:
<3812E34B.A3AD6607@swissonline.ch>
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 12:45:31
+0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Reply-To:
robby@swissonline.ch
Organization: Behind the frontier
X-Mailer: Mozilla
4.6 [en]C-QXW0310a (Win98; I)
X-Accept-Language: de,
en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: nketo <nketo@accglobal.net>
CC: Team3S
List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>,
Darcy Gunnlaugson <wce@bc.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Turbo
questions for all
References:
<000401be30b4$007a1580$82159a8e@default>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Noble, your PCs
date is Sat, 26 Dec 1998 , please correct it !
> Does anyone have
experience with other turbos?
I guess Brad Bedell made some temp
measurments as well.
> I'm thinking Brian's BIG ass monster turbos
(@GTPro) would work great;
> they'd only be working probably at about
40-50% efficiency though.
Why should they run at such a low efficiency ?
Please explain ! I do have the
368s ready and unfortunately they will create
much more lag but for sure the
discharge temperature would be freezing cold
compared to the small turbos. This
is easy to be exlained, because the air
flow is much more with the same amount
of boost and therefore the compressor
wheel must not work like crazy and
therefore will stay on it's efficiency
island.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sun Oct 24 07:13:22 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
HAA19969
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 07:13:22 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id HAA19962
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 07:13:19 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from default (207-172-176-216.s470.tnt1.hck.nj.dialup.rcn.com
[207.172.176.216])
by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id
KAA26349
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999
10:17:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Sam Shelat"
<sshelat@erols.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: 3si board
Date:
Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:01:14 -0000
Message-ID:
<01bf1ecf$dfc73060$d8b0accf@default>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.71.1712.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Does anyone know why every time I try to log on to www.3si.org, it
gives me
a big Forbidden message?
Is it just my server, or does everyone
have this problem. Happens at work
too!
Sam
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 24 07:22:13 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id HAA20198
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 07:22:13 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id HAA20191
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 07:22:10 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from rg (194.230.203.86) by newmail.spectraweb.ch; 24 Oct
1999 16:18:27 +0200
Message-ID:
<006301bf1e2a$eba3bf20$cdebe6c2@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<01bf1ecf$dfc73060$d8b0accf@default>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 3si
board
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 16:20:23 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
It seems that another organisation took over the URL and is building
up
their service on it. Unfortunately, Eric Lotter is not answering on
emails
too. AFAIK, www.3si.org is dead until either a new name is registered
or the
other organisation dissapears. It is possible that you can access to
the
pages with the IP address directly, but I don't have
it.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
> Does anyone know why every time I
try to log on to www.3si.org, it gives
me
> a big Forbidden
message?
> Is it just my server, or does everyone have this problem.
Happens at work
> too!
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sun Oct 24 07:29:07 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
HAA20350
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 07:29:07 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id HAA20343
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 07:29:04 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from default (207-172-176-216.s470.tnt1.hck.nj.dialup.rcn.com
[207.172.176.216])
by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id
KAA12661
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999
10:29:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Sam Shelat"
<sshelat@erols.com>
To: "team3s"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Downpipe
installation
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:16:59 -0000
Message-ID:
<01bf1ed2$12d86440$d8b0accf@default>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.71.1712.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Do I need any extra parts like gaskets or something to put on the
new
downpipe? If the Stillen piece replaces the rear cat, how difficult
is the
removal of the rear cat? Do you start from the top or
bottom? I do not see
any bolts from underneath, just a metel
shield. Any help would be
appreciated.
Sam 95 VR4
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 24 07:43:05 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id HAA20610
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 07:43:05 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id HAA20603
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 07:43:02 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from default (207-172-176-216.s470.tnt1.hck.nj.dialup.rcn.com
[207.172.176.216])
by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id
KAA20790
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999
10:43:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Sam Shelat"
<sshelat@erols.com>
To: "team3s"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: HKS SSBOV
Date:
Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:30:57 -0000
Message-ID:
<01bf1ed4$05df8d20$d8b0accf@default>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.71.1712.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
I installed this unit in about 30 minutes. However, I tried to
put the car
in reverse, and it was stuck. It ends up the hose ran too
low and was
hitting the cam for reverse gear. I had to disconnect the
bracket on the
BOV to fuse panel and just leave the unit sitting on top of
the gap between
the fuse box and y-pipe. It works very good, and does
not make the car
stall like some people mentioned. Turbo recovery is
noticeable quicker.
The air coming off this thing must be very hot, cause it
was untouchable for
about 15-20 minutes. The car seems more responsive,
but that is not
measured in any way, so its my opinion. I heard people
saying you need to
put the air back after the MAF to provide the correct
ratio it measured
before. Don't we want the car to run richer under
more boost? Wouldn't
recycling hot air be bad for power? I am a
little confused because everyone
says our cars run too rich already, yet we
need to add fuel to run more
boost. Just some thoughts, any
opinions?
Sam 95 VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sun Oct 24 08:52:57 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
IAA21943
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 08:52:57 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail.maindomain.com (mail.800hosting.com
[209.41.115.5])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
IAA21920
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999
08:52:52 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from kevin [206.245.149.221] by
mail.maindomain.com
(SMTPD32-5.01) id AD8669EC0186; Sun, 24 Oct 1999
11:02:14 CDT
Message-ID:
<003801bf1e37$b14cd3e0$dd95f5ce@kevin>
From: "Kevin"
<Kevin@pacarsearch.com>
To: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>,
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<01bf1ecf$dfc73060$d8b0accf@default>
<006301bf1e2a$eba3bf20$cdebe6c2@rg>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 3si
board
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 11:51:51 -0400
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Roger,
No one hijacked the domain (at least that's not what
Eric said). Big server
crash at Eric's web hosting company, thought it
would be solved by now, but
maybe it was worse than they
thought.
Kevin Schappell
Auto
Answers
http://www.PACarSearch.com
If you love cars, check
out
http://www.pacarsearch.com/motorhead
------------Still under
construction---------------
----- Original Message -----
From: R.G.
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Sent:
Sunday, October 24, 1999 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: 3si
board
> It seems that another organisation took over the URL and
is building up
> their service on it. Unfortunately, Eric Lotter is not
answering on emails
> too. AFAIK, www.3si.org is dead until either a new
name is registered or
the
> other organisation dissapears. It is
possible that you can access to the
> pages with the IP address directly,
but I don't have it.
>
> Roger
> 93'3000GT TT
>
>
> Does anyone know why every time I try to log on to www.3si.org, it
gives
> me
> > a big Forbidden message?
> > Is it just
my server, or does everyone have this problem. Happens at
work
>
> too!
>
>
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 24 09:05:14 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA22142
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 09:05:14 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
demai02.mw.mediaone.net (demai02.mw.mediaone.net [24.131.1.20])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id JAA22135
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 09:05:11 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mediaone.net (nic-30-c61-152.mw.mediaone.net
[24.30.61.152])
by demai02.mw.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id
MAA28251
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999
12:03:03 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
<38135B2D.7993C71C@mediaone.net>
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 12:17:02
-0700
From: Joe Gonsowski <twinturbo@mediaone.net>
X-Mailer: Mozilla
4.08 [en] (Win98; U)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: 3000GT / Stealth List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Fuel
Pressure
References: <3812BC67.28688E4A@mediaone.net>
<001c01bf1e0c$eb77c8c0$cdebe6c2@rg>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
R.G.
wrote:
>
> > I would like to know what pressure it delivers
to the fuel rail at idle
> > and at positive
boost.
>
> Ahem, fuel pressure is controlled by the pressure
regulator.
>
> > Or, as they check it in the Service manual, at
idle with and without the
> > FPR solenoid connected to the
FPR.
>
> Doesn't make sense to me. Fuel pressure is around 43psi at
0 psi boost and
> rises as boost rises.
Do you know what the peak
pressure would be? Roger, you may remember a datalog I sent
you last
week showing a fluctuating O2 voltage in third gear at the upper rpms. I
now
believe it is fuel related. I've watched fuel pressure during
acceleration (17psi
boost) in third gear and see that during WOT, the
pressure spikes up to ~51psi (3.5
bars) and then slowly drops as rpm
rises. I then feel the hesitation. I thought the
Denso pump was
suppose to deliver and hold ~60psi during boost. I suspect the FPR
is
faulty and isn't closing off the return line.
BTW - the service
manual check for the FPR is to measure fuel pressure at idle with and
without
the solenoid vacuum line connected to the FPR. For a stock turbo car
the
resultant pressures are suppose to be as follows:
idle: 235kPa
(34psi)
idle with vacuum hose removed from FPR: 295-315kPa
(43-45psi)
With a Denso pump, I'm not sure what values I should be
seeing, I'd assume higher than
listed above. I need to first understand
whether my fuel system is delivering the
appropriate rail pressure. If
not, I'll focus on the FPR, FPR Solenoid, fuel filter,
vacuum lines/wiring,
and the pump itself. I wouldn't mind getting my RC injectors
rebalanced
either.
Thanks,
Joe Gonsowski
'92 R/T TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 24 09:11:16 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA22418
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 09:11:16 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail3.sirius.com (mail3.sirius.com [205.134.253.133])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id JAA22411
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 09:11:13 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from forrest (ppp-asfm09--016.sirius.net
[205.134.242.16])
by mail3.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id
JAA20280;
Sun, 24 Oct 1999 09:14:56 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
<017701bf1e3a$4d023530$81e586cd@forrest.sirius.com>
From: "Bob
Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
To: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>, <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: 3si board
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 09:10:26 -0700
X-Priority:
3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express
4.72.3612.1700
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3612.1700
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
-----Original Message-----From: Sam Shelat
<sshelat@erols.com>
>>Does anyone know why every time I try to
log on to www.3si.org, it
gives me
>>a big Forbidden
message?
>>Is it just my server, or does everyone have this
problem. Happens
at work
>>too!
>
-----Original
Message-----From: R.G. <robby@freesurf.ch>
>It seems that another
organisation took over the URL and is
building up
>their service on it.
Unfortunately, Eric Lotter is not answering on
emails
>too. AFAIK,
www.3si.org is dead until either a new name is
registered or the
>other
organisation dissapears. It is possible that you can access
to
the
>pages with the IP address directly, but I don't have
it.
Eric sent me an email last night...
It's only a temporary
technical glitch, centered with the ISP that
hosts the domain. The
www.3Si.org domain has not changed, nor
changed hands, but the current ISP
has some of its 'wires crossed'
and can't seem to pinpoint the problem.
To further complicate
things, Eric can't access via FTP either, so he can't
move the
website to a new ISP, which he is planning to do ASAP.
Stay
tuned for details... We'll post a more complete "Admin
Alert"
with an update as soon as we have more
information.
Best,
Forrest
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 24 11:18:37 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id LAA24494
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 11:18:37 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mailgw01.execpc.com (sendmail@mailgw01.execpc.com [169.207.2.78])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id LAA24486
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 11:18:14 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from pop05.execpc.com (pop05.execpc.com [169.207.3.82])
by
mailgw01.execpc.com (8.9.1) id NAA04218
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 13:18:03
-0500
Received: from execpc.com (narn-2-42.mdm.mke.execpc.com
[169.207.134.170]) by pop05.execpc.com (8.8.8) id NAA29404 for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 13:17:59
-0500
Message-ID: <38134C8C.FEFD5ED2@execpc.com>
Date: Sun, 24 Oct
1999 13:14:36 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Reply-To:
xwing@execpc.com
Organization: Exec-PC
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95;
U)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Sirius 3000GT Mail List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re:Fuel injectors,
Supra pump
References:
<01bf1e4f$dfd82f80$95c4accf@default>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Sam
Shelat wrote:
> anyone know if Supra (MK4) 550cc injectors work on our
cars?
No. They are "side port", get fuel on SIDE of
injector; ours and
most others are "top port" and get fuel from top
of inj.
Supras upgrading injectors have to change their fuel rail also,
HKS
makes upgrade fuelrail for like $340...ugh...this lets them use
the
more standard top port inj of higher capacity out there.
Jack
Tertadian
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 24 11:53:12 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id LAA24707
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 11:53:12 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id LAA24700
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 11:53:04 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from rg (194.230.203.239) by newmail.spectraweb.ch; 24 Oct
1999 20:49:21 +0200
Message-ID:
<001701bf1e50$c3a5c060$efcbe6c2@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "3000GT / Stealth List"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<3812BC67.28688E4A@mediaone.net> <001c01bf1e0c$eb77c8c0$cdebe6c2@rg>
<38135B2D.7993C71C@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Fuel
Pressure
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 20:50:54 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> Do you know what the peak pressure would be?
Easy : at 0
psi FP is about 43 psi (like the hose disconnected from the FPR)
at 15 psi 43
+ 17 = 60 psi
> I now believe it is fuel related. I've watched
fuel pressure during
acceleration (17psi
> boost) in third gear and see
that during WOT, the pressure spikes up to
~51psi (3.5
> bars) and then
slowly drops as rpm rises. I then feel the hesitation. I
thought
the
> Denso pump was suppose to deliver and hold ~60psi during
boost. I suspect
the FPR is
> faulty and isn't closing off the
return line.
Umpf, you may try to get an FPR from the NA but I dunno how
well it works
under boost (out of it's specs !) Our stock fuel pump (also a
Denso, 190
ltr/hr) is only able to flow around 32 gal/hr at 60psi. In reality
it's more
as these values are the worst case in production. In comparison,
the Walbro
"high pressure" fuel pump is able to flow 52gal/hr at
the same fuel
pressure. I dunno what fuel pump you are using as well how rich
you are
running. At 80% IDC with the 550cc you may flow up to 48 gal/hr, way
too
much for the stock fuel pump. Assuming you are cooling the chamber with
fuel
you are running around 44 gal/hr flow at around 58 psi. The fuel
pumps
(Walbro) are rated to 255l/hr at around 41 psi and can deliver enough
then.
> With a Denso pump, I'm not sure what values I should be
seeing, I'd assume
higher than
> listed above. I need to first
understand whether my fuel system is
delivering the
> appropriate rail
pressure. If not, I'll focus on the FPR, FPR Solenoid,
fuel
filter,
> vacuum lines/wiring, and the pump itself. I wouldn't mind
getting my RC
injectors
> rebalanced either.
Depending on the
pump, I'd say the fuel filter needs to be checked if it was
not changed
lately. A faulty FPR lowers the pressure even more but its also
worth looking
at. Remember, the values we are getting fro mthe ECU is what
it is trying to
do. This is why we can read more than 100% IDC with the
stock injectors. Of
course they will then just stay fully open. This of
course is not the case
with your injectors.
Reading 51 psi may be low compared to the calculated
58 psi and I have not
yet been able to read fuel pressure on my car.
Therefore others input would
help to determine if you're running into fuel
starvation.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sun Oct 24 11:59:00 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
LAA24833
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 11:59:00 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id LAA24826
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 11:58:57 -0700
(PDT)
From: TrboDrvr@aol.com
Received: from TrboDrvr@aol.com
by
imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id uEUYa23737 (4185)
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 14:58:32 -0400
(EDT)
Message-ID: <0.d00d902.2544b0d7@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 24 Oct
1999 14:58:31 EDT
Subject: Team3S: Manifold Vacuum
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com (3000GT / Stealth List)
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: AOL
4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Has anyone
checked their manifold vacuum lately? My car runs great, but runs
consistently one or two mm/hg below the specs in the service manual. I
am
interesting in hearing what other's vacuum readings
are.
Thanks!
Joe 91TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 24 13:08:17 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id NAA25557
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 13:08:17 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id NAA25543
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 13:08:11 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from rg (194.230.203.137) by newmail.spectraweb.ch; 24 Oct
1999 22:04:29 +0200
Message-ID:
<005d01bf1e5b$425531c0$efcbe6c2@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "team3s"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<01bf1ed2$12d86440$d8b0accf@default>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Downpipe
installation
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:55:12 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> Do I need any extra parts like gaskets or something to put on
the new
> downpipe?
You need new exhaust gaskets on any flange as
the stock ones are gone. Also
get new nuts too because I just lost one that
didn't held anymore after
taking it off and on thr 6th time.
> If
the Stillen piece replaces the rear cat, how difficult is the
> removal of
the rear cat?
No, it doesn't replace the rear one. This is why I
recommend to gut the rear
one when putting it on. Otherwise you are having
different packpressure on
the front and rear turbo. It is not known what this
may cause but I do not
like "unbalanced" systems ! Removing the
rear precat is a super-mega-pain in
the ass.
Good
luck,
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sun Oct 24 13:08:17 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
NAA25562
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 13:08:17 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch
[194.158.230.44])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
NAA25547
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999
13:08:12 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from rg (194.230.203.137) by
newmail.spectraweb.ch; 24 Oct 1999 22:04:30 +0200
Message-ID:
<005e01bf1e5b$42e4a080$efcbe6c2@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "team3s"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<01bf1ed4$05df8d20$d8b0accf@default>
Subject: Re: Team3S: HKS
SSBOV
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 22:06:03 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> I installed this unit in about 30 minutes. However, I
tried to put the
car
> in reverse, and it was stuck.
Yep, you
are having a second gen and the kit doesn't fit
without
modification.
> BOV to fuse panel and just leave the unit
sitting on top of the gap
between
> the fuse box and y-pipe.
You
must mount it to something as the flange of the HKS BOV is not very good
and
if it hits something from time to time it may got damaged.
> It
works very good, and does not make the car stall like some
people
mentioned.
Well, it does but on what boost are you running ?
And is it adjusted
properly ? This was always my problem until I foudn out
that it started to
open at 14 psi and I lost pressure due to this. After
readjusting it never
worked properly anymore :-( Of course it was the 1st gen
and not the new
SSBOV, although it's about the same plastic BOV under the
aluminum body.
> I heard people saying you need to put the air
back after the MAF to
provide
> the correct ratio it measured
before. Don't we want the car to run richer
under
> more
boost?
This is already the case !
> Wouldn't recycling
hot air be bad for power?
Sure, but if the turbos are already running
extremely out of its range and
are producing way too much hot air, recycling
this hot air back is not doing
much more bad. Also the air is sent back
during the closed throttle
situation.
> I am a little confused
because everyone says our cars run too rich
already, yet we
> need to
add fuel to run more boost.
Ahem, what exactly is the question ? We need
fuel to fight against the knock
and this is more than really needed for the
power.
Hope this helps,
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 24 13:24:10 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id NAA26090
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 13:24:10 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id NAA26083
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 13:24:03 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from rg (194.230.198.165) by newmail.spectraweb.ch; 24 Oct
1999 22:20:19 +0200
Message-ID:
<006a01bf1e5d$788a8900$efcbe6c2@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "3000GT / Stealth List"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<0.d00d902.2544b0d7@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Manifold
Vacuum
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 22:21:54 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> Has anyone checked their manifold vacuum lately? My car
runs great, but
runs
> consistently one or two mm/hg below the specs in
the service manual. I am
> interesting in hearing what other's
vacuum readings are.
This depends on the temperature and humidity as well
as idleing or rolling
the car out. The boost meters are not very consistent
as the at idle
(850rpm) DSBC reads 44cm/Hg, the Dual Timer 43cm/Hg and the
meter 46cm/Hg.
The manual say 45cm/Hg and therefore it's in the limits. I'd
be worried if
your readings are more than 40cm/Hg or less than
50cm/Hg.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sun Oct 24 14:18:42 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
OAA26879
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 14:18:42 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail2.kscable.com (fe2.rdc-kc.rr.com
[24.94.163.49])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
OAA26871
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999
14:18:07 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from kscable.com ([24.94.213.224]) by
mail2.kscable.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18);
Sun, 24 Oct
1999 16:17:33 -0500
Message-ID:
<381377F1.EC7C7F9A@kscable.com>
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 16:19:45
-0500
From: Trevor James <Trevor@kscable.com>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7
[en] (Win98; I)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To:
robby@swissonline.ch, Team3S List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Turbo questions
for all
References: <000401be30b4$007a1580$82159a8e@default>
<3812E34B.A3AD6607@swissonline.ch>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
There is such
thing as not being able to run enough boost/RPM to make the turbo
more
efficient. This is apples to oragnes but it's the same theory. Check
this out;
http://www.enzoco.com/mike/syclone/maps.htm
My Ty only turns
2100-4300 RPM and maxes out at 16 psi on pump gas. The turbo on the
right
would never reach it's peak efficiency and is too large for my
application....The
stock turbo on the left is much too small.
Yes I'd
probably be better off for straight drag racing running the too large turbo
vs.
the stocker but if there's a turbo in between I bet I'd run faster and
have less lag!
Trevor
96 R/T TT 12.68@111.4 0-60 4.14 Gtech (15g's are
going in this week)
92 GMC Typhoon 14.10@97.4 0-60 5.34
Gtech
"R.G." wrote:
> Noble, your PCs date is Sat, 26
Dec 1998 , please correct it !
>
> > Does anyone have experience
with other turbos?
>
> I guess Brad Bedell made some temp
measurments as well.
>
> > I'm thinking Brian's BIG ass monster
turbos (@GTPro) would work great;
> > they'd only be working probably
at about 40-50% efficiency though.
>
> Why should they run at such a
low efficiency ? Please explain ! I do have the
> 368s ready and
unfortunately they will create much more lag but for sure the
> discharge
temperature would be freezing cold compared to the small turbos. This
> is
easy to be exlained, because the air flow is much more with the same
amount
> of boost and therefore the compressor wheel must not work like
crazy and
> therefore will stay on it's efficiency island.
>
>
Roger
> 93'3000GT TT
>
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 24 15:28:03 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id PAA27762
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 15:28:03 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id PAA27755
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 15:27:58 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from rg (194.230.192.77) by newmail.spectraweb.ch; 25 Oct
1999 00:24:15 +0200
Message-ID:
<008201bf1e6e$c948f1e0$efcbe6c2@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "Team3S List"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<000401be30b4$007a1580$82159a8e@default>
<3812E34B.A3AD6607@swissonline.ch>
<381377F1.EC7C7F9A@kscable.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Turbo questions
for all (efficiency map)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 00:26:02
+0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> There is such thing as not being able to run enough boost/RPM
to make the
turbo more
> efficient. This is apples to oragnes but it's
the same theory. Check this
out;
>
http://www.enzoco.com/mike/syclone/maps.htm
I've already seen such maps
and I wonder if we can get it for our 9b / 13g
compressor wheels. Anyone
?
> My Ty only turns 2100-4300 RPM and maxes out at 16 psi on pump
gas. The
turbo on the
> right would never reach it's peak efficiency
and is too large for my
application.
Why do you think it is too large
? When running 20psi at 5000 you are at
around 75% what is good. Ok, the
efficiency areas are thin and for the low
end power it would be better to
have the 70% island also in the 3500 like
the small one. I htink it's not the
size but the design of the wheel. What
if the bigger wheel would be clipped
?
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sun Oct 24 17:21:38 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
RAA29354
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:21:38 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (smtp2.Stanford.EDU
[171.64.14.23])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
RAA29347
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999
17:21:36 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from stanford.edu (cerfer.Stanford.EDU
[171.66.102.101])
by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/L) with ESMTP id
RAA28676
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999
17:21:35 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
<3813A28E.82834C47@stanford.edu>
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:21:34
-0700
From: Raymond Yap <raymond.yap@stanford.edu>
Reply-To:
raymond.yap@stanford.edu
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
CC:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Apexi AFC
References:
<01bf1ecf$dfc73060$d8b0accf@default>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I just picked up
an Apexi AFC (not the latest one) and plugged it in my
VR-4. Can anybody
advice me on how to tune it effectively so that I
don't melt my engine in the
process ? And what would be a conservative
setting on the various RPMs that I
could start with ?
raymond.
'91 vr-4
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sun Oct 24 17:36:01 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
RAA29639
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:36:01 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail2.kscable.com (fe2.rdc-kc.rr.com
[24.94.163.49])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
RAA29632
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999
17:35:55 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from kscable.com ([24.94.213.224]) by
mail2.kscable.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18);
Sun, 24 Oct
1999 19:35:31 -0500
Message-ID: <3813A658.3A694EE@kscable.com>
Date:
Sun, 24 Oct 1999 19:37:44 -0500
From: Trevor James
<Trevor@kscable.com>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
CC: Team3S List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Turbo questions
for all (efficiency map)
References:
<000401be30b4$007a1580$82159a8e@default>
<3812E34B.A3AD6607@swissonline.ch> <381377F1.EC7C7F9A@kscable.com>
<008201bf1e6e$c948f1e0$efcbe6c2@rg>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
"R.G."
wrote:
> > There is such thing as not being able to run enough
boost/RPM to make the
> turbo more
> > efficient. This is apples
to oragnes but it's the same theory. Check this
> out;
> >
http://www.enzoco.com/mike/syclone/maps.htm
>
> I've already seen
such maps and I wonder if we can get it for our 9b / 13g
> compressor
wheels. Anyone ?
>
> > My Ty only turns 2100-4300 RPM and maxes
out at 16 psi on pump gas. The
> turbo on the
> > right would
never reach it's peak efficiency and is too large for my
>
application.
>
> Why do you think it is too large ? When running
20psi at 5000 you are at
> around 75% what is good. Ok, the efficiency
areas are thin and for the low
> end power it would be better to have the
70% island also in the 3500 like
> the small one. I htink it's not the
size but the design of the wheel. What
> if the bigger wheel would be
clipped ?
>
> Roger
> 93'3000GT TT
>
> For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
It's too large because I'm only
going to run 16 psi and the stock shift point is around
4300 RPM. I'm never
going to even get into its best efficiency range. This turbo is
optimized at
18 psi with 5400 rpm shifts.
I just wanted to make a comparison of how a
large turbo could possibly not be
beneficial. I really believe that the 368+
turbos are too large for street use. Physics
says it takes more energy to
spin up a large compressor wheel. Those things are HUGE!!!
I know, they have
ball bearings....and the turbine wheel is supposed to be soooo
efficient.
It's only 1.5 liters of air trying to turn them. The 368 is the size of
the
garrett 850 cfm turbos we use in the sy/ty (TE-44) world and they're good
for 500 HP
easy. That's one turbo with 4.3L of exhaust driving it. I don't
see why we need TWO
turbos that size on the 3000/Stealth unless you're doing
the silver state classic with
110 Octane!!!
Trevor
96 R/T TT
92
GMC Typhoon
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 24 19:28:20 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id TAA01312
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 19:28:20 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mxout1.cac.washington.edu (mxout1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.5])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id TAA01305
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 19:28:15 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mailhost2.u.washington.edu (mailhost2.u.washington.edu
[140.142.33.2])
by mxout1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08)
with ESMTP id TAA05791;
Sun, 24 Oct 1999 19:28:13 -0700
Received: from
u.washington.edu (cs313-36.spmodem.washington.edu [140.142.175.37])
by
mailhost2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id
TAA00377;
Sun, 24 Oct 1999 19:28:12 -0700
Message-ID:
<3813BFE3.16923BEC@u.washington.edu>
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 19:26:43
-0700
From: Errin Humphrey <errin@u.washington.edu>
Organization:
University of Washington
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en,ja
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Oskar
<swede@pclink.com>
CC: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com,
stealth@starnet.net
Subject: Re: Team3S: SL/VR4 Caliper
Clearance
References:
<Pine.A41.4.10.9910221538150.42598-100000@dante01.u.washington.edu>
<001f01bf1cf7$59a8d580$29010bce@logikit>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Oskar,
Oskar wrote:
> Errin - if you're after
caliper to rim measurements for a 2nd gen VR-4 I
> think you cannot
compare to a Stealth TT. As recently discovered by Mike
> Chapelski
it appears that the Stealth TT calipers are somewhat wider that
> the VR-4
counterpart.
Interesting. Thanks for pointing that out.
>
In case you still need it, my '95 R/T TT with 18" factory chrome
wheels
> measure 7 mm between the outer edge of the caliper and the inside
of the
> rim.
Thanks for the information, however I don't think
I'll be able to use it.
You see, I need somebody to give me the rotor to
caliper edge distance
for an SL so that I can compare to the distance on my
VR4. Why? I
ordered some new wheels which somebody tried on a 96
SL and they
said they fit with a decent amount of distance. I ordered
these wheels
for my VR4, and I want to figure out the margin of difference
between
the caliper size (how far they stick out from the rotor) on an SL
and
on a VR4. This will let me know which size spacer I will probably
need
to use (I'll already gain 8mm clearance from a lower
offset).
Thanks for the help!
--Errin Humphrey
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 24 19:39:56 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id TAA01515
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 19:39:56 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mxout2.cac.washington.edu (mxout2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.4])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id TAA01507
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 19:39:46 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mailhost2.u.washington.edu (mailhost2.u.washington.edu
[140.142.33.2])
by mxout2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08)
with ESMTP id TAA19638;
Sun, 24 Oct 1999 19:39:43 -0700
Received: from
u.washington.edu (cs313-36.spmodem.washington.edu [140.142.175.37])
by
mailhost2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id
TAA00774;
Sun, 24 Oct 1999 19:39:42 -0700
Message-ID:
<3813C294.F904F7C6@u.washington.edu>
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 19:38:12
-0700
From: Errin Humphrey <errin@u.washington.edu>
Organization:
University of Washington
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en,ja
MIME-Version: 1.0
To:
stealth@starnet.net
CC: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S:
Someone w/ SL please help
References:
<Pine.A41.4.10.9910221538150.42598-100000@dante01.u.washington.edu>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Maybe you missed
my earlier post: "SL/VR4 Caliper Clearance."
Maybe my post was a
bit unclear.
If you have a 3000GT SL could you PLEASE do the following?
...
1) Take a ruler and another small ruler (or something small and
straight).
2) Go to one of your car's front wheels.
3) Put the
ruler's end straight against the brake rotor, near the caliper.
4) Use
the other small ruler (or straight thingie) and hold it against the
side of
the caliper, perpendicular to the other ruler.
5) Read the point where
they touch. This will give the distance from
the brake rotor to the
farthest out point on the brake caliper.
I don't need a really accurate
measurement, just a ballpark figure in
inches or millimeters.
For
reference sake, on a '94 3000GT VR4 the distance from the
surface of the
rotor to the farthest out point on the brake caliper
(edge of the Mitsubishi
lettering on the caliper) is about 2.25 inches.
I need to know a ballpark
figure for how much thinner the SL calipers
are compared to the VR4 calipers
because I have ordered some
wheels which somebody says fit on an SL but they
aren't sure about
a VR4. This will let me know the size of spacer I
might have to order.
It would probably help if your 3000GT SL is
second-gen (like the
one which tried on the wheels) since I'm not sure if
there is a difference
in caliper size between 1st and 2nd gen SL
calipers.
I really appreciate some help here.
--Errin
Humphrey
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 24 21:04:55 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id VAA03245
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:04:55 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
matrix.webzone.net (matrix.webzone.net [205.219.23.25])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id VAA03238
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:04:52 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (qmail 21811 invoked from network); 24 Oct 1999 23:04:50
-0500
Received: from benson (pm3-20.ppp48.webzone.net
[208.152.100.48])
by
matrix.webzone.net with SMTP; 24 Oct 1999 23:04:50 -0500
Message-ID:
<021201bf1e98$618a9e80$10c9c9c9@benson>
From: "Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell" <benson@2015.com>
To: "3000GT
Mailing" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Someone
w/ SL please help
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 22:23:59 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
OK, I'm not sure if I have the correct measurement yer asking for,
but here
goes :). I have a '95 3000GT Base, which should be the same as
the SL, with
the exception of the ABS. So for this measurement that
might make a
differenct :). I'm not to up on all my technical
terminology with cars, so
lemme ask now what the calipers are just to clairfy
I did this right. I
know what the rotors are, and I'm assuming that the
calipers are what hold
the brake pads and actually squeeze them against the
rotor right? If this
is correct, then what I just did was take a small
piece of paper, held it
perpendicular to the rotor, then took a pencil, laid
it flat against the
farthest out piece of the caliper, and marked the
paper. I then came in and
measured the distance from the edge of the
paper that was against the rotor
to the mark made by the pencil. My
result was 1 and 3/8 inches, which
converts to 34.925 mm.
again, dunno
if this is what yer looking for, but I tried :).
Latufh fuh
U,
Benson
benson@2015.com
"-Do you ever have second
thoughts?
-When do I ever have first thoughts?"
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 24 21:20:18 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id VAA03431
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:20:18 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
melanoma.isd.net (melanoma.isd.net [208.153.200.45])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id VAA03418
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:19:59 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from isd.net (isd-du-208-238-140-36.isd.net
[208.238.140.36])
by melanoma.isd.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id
XAA24471
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999
23:19:41 -0500 (CDT)
Message-ID: <3813DA4D.4A06A77C@isd.net>
Date:
Sun, 24 Oct 1999 23:19:25 -0500
From: Rah <rah@isd.net>
Reply-To:
rah@isd.net
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I)
X-Accept-Language:
en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: "stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Dumb Question, but
curious
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hello
all,
Recently I took the front license plate off my 93
Stealth RT, now
that plate is required in my state so hush-hush. I know
from people
I've seen on the road that it's not unusual at
all.
The real question, not to get my or anybody elses
hopes up, but I
can't help but wonder how well a police officer can get a
radar signal
off of this car. From my experience in another car club,
and
information an ex-military man was able to give me on how radar
requires
a very specific reflection, it does make you wonder.
Anybody
know? Anyone put a gun to it and found out? I'm not relying on
it
yet, but it'd be interesting to know what y'all think,
--Rich
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sun
Oct 24 21:45:21 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id VAA03845
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:45:21 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
matrix.webzone.net (matrix.webzone.net [205.219.23.25])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id VAA03838
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:45:18 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (qmail 24780 invoked from network); 24 Oct 1999 23:45:16
-0500
Received: from benson (pm3-18.ppp239.webzone.net
[208.152.96.239])
by
matrix.webzone.net with SMTP; 24 Oct 1999 23:45:16 -0500
Message-ID:
<022201bf1e9e$06c4f3a0$10c9c9c9@benson>
From: "Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell" <benson@2015.com>
To: "3000GT
Mailing" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Dumb
Question, but curious
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 23:04:24 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Well from my understanding on the way police radar works is that it
doesn't
take a very specific 'signature' or profile of your vehicle, it just
relies
on the doppler shift on the signal to calculate the speed. The
way all
police radar guns work (except laser of course :) is they scan the
area, and
then show what the strongest signal returned was on the
readout. Hence why
if your traveling in a pack of cars, and a cop
clocks the pack, he has to
determine (or rather GUESS) which car was doing
the returned speed. One
fact to note though is that big vehicles
(trucks in other words) will ALWAYS
return the strongest signal no matter
what. So if a trucks doing 50, and
you zip buy at 80, he'll get a 50
reading because the trucks return signal
is much stronger. This is
another reason why you should always ask to see
the gun reading for yourself
when they pull you over (I've heard of cops
trying to pull a fast one where
they didn't even clock you at all). If they
refuse, you make them write
that on the ticket and point that one out to the
judge :).
another
little trick of note that I read in Car and Driver a long ways back
on ways
to defeat laser radar when they were first introduced. One method
they
came up with and tested is to put an extremely high candle-watt powered
light
(like the ones the cops use) on the front of your car near the lisence
plate
(because that's where they aim their laser guns due to the lisence
plates
highly reflective surface). Aim it forward, and then put an
infra-red
filter on it (so it blocks all spectrum of light except ir). This
won't
defeat a laser radar gun, but it will confuse it for a while giving
you more
time to slow down if you have a laser radar detector (like buy an
additional
2- 4seconds depending upon distance). They way they described
how this
works is imagine walking into a gymnasium full of people. You're
on one
side, and a friend is across all the people on the other. If
everybodie
is quite, you can hear each other fine, but when everybody's
talking, you'll
be lucky if you can pick out a word or two from your friend.
That's what the
light with the filter does. You're flooding the area with
tons of extra
ir light therefore confusing the gun as two which signal was
the original
'bounce', so it takes it a while longer to get the reading thus
giving you
the extra time to slow down :). The other great thing is it's
perfectly
legal because with the filter, the light will appear off because
no regular
light will emmit from it at all, and it's not illegal to emit
light
:).
Anyways, just a little bit of info for ya :)
Latufh fuh
U,
Benson
benson@2015.com
"-Do you ever have second
thoughts?
-When do I ever have first thoughts?"
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 25 00:42:56 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id AAA06142
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 00:42:56 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id AAA06132
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 00:42:52 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from RGERL012599000 (216.131.135.137) by
newmail.spectraweb.ch; 25 Oct 1999 09:39:09 +0200
Message-ID:
<000d01bf1ebc$ab72dde0$898783d8@peoplesoft.com>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<01bf1ecf$dfc73060$d8b0accf@default>
<3813A28E.82834C47@stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Apexi
AFC
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:43:34 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
X-Priority:
3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express
5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from
base64 to 8bit by list.sirius.com id AAA06133
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> I just
picked up an Apexi AFC (not the latest one) and plugged it in my
> VR-4.
Can anybody advice me on how to tune it effectively so that I
> don't melt
my engine in the process ? And what would be a conservative
> setting on
the various RPMs that I could start with ?
This depends on the injectors
you are running. With stock injectors, the AFC should not be used. Also, you
need an A/F meter and even better an EGR to tune any fuel device. The best would
be a logging device.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 25 01:36:18 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id BAA06907
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 01:36:18 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
raven.a001.sprintmail.com (raven.prod.itd.earthlink.net [209.178.63.9])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id BAA06900
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 01:36:16 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from piii600 (dialup-209.246.131.194.Dallas1.Level3.net
[209.246.131.194])
by raven.a001.sprintmail.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id
BAA00676
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999
01:36:15 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
<000901bf1ec4$070a44c0$f390fea9@piii600>
From: "Noah
Erickson" <noaherickson@sprintmail.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<01bf1ecf$dfc73060$d8b0accf@default>
<3813A28E.82834C47@stanford.edu>
<000d01bf1ebc$ab72dde0$898783d8@peoplesoft.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Apexi AFC
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 03:36:25 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Yes, you'll need an EGT or (preferably AND) a datalogger to tune
it
properly. Also, it's best not to use it until you can tune it in
right,
since the "zero" on each RPM range is not exactly
stock. It does change it
a little. Alot in the case of
DSMs. I've seen a car that ran normal
without the AFC not even be able
to idle at the zero setting once the AFC
was installed.
Noah
Erickson
http://home.sprintmail.com/~noaherickson/
>=<->=<->=<->=<->=<->=<->=<->=<->=<->=/\=<->=<->=<->=<->=<-
1991
Mitsubishi Galant VR-4 #
1954
_\/_
Tsymyn on irc.dsm.org
#dsm
/_/\_\ ICQ#
29810261
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Mon Oct 25 01:52:14 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
BAA07126
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 01:52:14 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail.swissonline.ch (mail.swissonline.ch
[62.2.32.83])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
BAA07119
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999
01:52:11 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from swissonline.ch
(unk-131-135-137.peoplesoft.com [216.131.135.137] (may be forged))
by
mail.swissonline.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12200
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:52:06 +0200 (MET
DST)
Message-ID: <38141A6C.96626319@swissonline.ch>
Date: Mon, 25
Oct 1999 10:53:00 +0200
From: "R.G."
<robby@swissonline.ch>
Organization: Peoplesoft Switzerland /
Office
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I)
X-Accept-Language:
en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Apexi AFC
References: <01bf1ecf$dfc73060$d8b0accf@default>
<3813A28E.82834C47@stanford.edu>
<000d01bf1ebc$ab72dde0$898783d8@peoplesoft.com>
<000901bf1ec4$070a44c0$f390fea9@piii600>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> Also, it's
best not to use it until you can tune it in right,
> since the
"zero" on each RPM range is not exactly stock. It does change
it
> a little. Alot in the case of DSMs.
This is not a
problem on the 3S cars. I checked the frequency output as well as
the voltage
level and with the proper car selected were no problem (I had it on
the car
for a year). Please note increasing the amount of fuel with stock
injectors
will cause early fuel cut. Leaning it out will cause knock.
Therefore,
install it if you have larger injectors.
Roger
93'3000GT
TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 25 07:13:28 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id HAA11191
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 07:13:28 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
exchange1.bigcharts.com (exchange1.BigCharts.com [206.146.143.5])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id HAA11184
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 07:13:25 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id
<VDH440XX>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:13:24 -0500
Message-ID:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7669@EXCHANGE1>
From: Matt Jannusch
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To: Sirius 3000GT Mail List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: VR4 AWD
Torque Split ACTUAL
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:13:19 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="windows-1252"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> Matt, where
did you see any reports to the contrary? That is
> bad info, hate
to let that get
> into people's minds because it will be a myth from then
on...
I believe it was in Road and Track in late '93 when they had an
article on the updated 3000/Stealth. They stated that the transmission had
been revised and Mitsu adjusted the torque split to 45/55 from 40/60 to try to
make the car less "tail-happy" in winter conditions. I'll try to
locate the article, but it is currently stored away "somewhere".
I very specifically remember reading that statement several times over, as I was
trying to determine if I wanted a '93 or '94 VR4 at the time and was trying to
figure out all the differences between the years.
Of course, Road and
Track is never* wrong. ;-) If they were wrong and I passed on bad
info, I sincerely apologize.
Ran a 13.2 yesterday at Rock Falls with
fairly relaxed launches, which isn't too bad, considering I don't have a lot
done to the car yet. I'm going to be trying to decide which turbos to go
with for next summer, either 13G or 15G. I don't want to sacrifice
drivability and quick spoolup though, as I occasionally autocross the car and
don't drag race often.
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
Borla
exhaust, Alamo downpipe, high-flow cat, HKS EVC IV, Spearco water injection,
Magnacore wires, K&N
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 25 07:20:15 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id HAA11323
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 07:20:15 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
exchange1.bigcharts.com (exchange1.BigCharts.com [206.146.143.5])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id HAA11310
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 07:19:52 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id
<VDH4406X>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:19:42 -0500
Message-ID:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F766A@EXCHANGE1>
From: Matt Jannusch
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Fuel injectors, 4ws, and my new Stillen DP
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999
09:19:41 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> Also, one
member stated that 95 and 96 TT do not have AWS.
> This is not what
it says in my manual or in the specs of
> the car. Is this guy
mistaken or what?
'95-'96 Stealth TT doesn't have it, VR4's have it all
years.
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Mon Oct 25 07:33:07 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
HAA11537
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 07:33:07 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail3.sirius.com (mail3.sirius.com
[205.134.253.133])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
HAA11530
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999
07:33:04 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from forrest (ppp-asfm12--089.sirius.net
[205.134.231.89])
by mail3.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id
HAA53011
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999
07:36:45 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
<00bb01bf1ef5$bec2ee10$59e786cd@forrest.sirius.com>
From: "Bob
Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
To: "Team3S"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Admin Alert:
Problems at www.3Si.org
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 07:31:34 -0700
X-Priority:
3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express
4.72.3612.1700
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3612.1700
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
To all--
The ISP that hosts the domain continues to have
serious (but
temporary) technical problems. The www.3Si.org domain has
not
changed, nor changed hands, but the current ISP has some of its
'wires
crossed' and can't seem to pinpoint the problem. To further
complicate
things, Eric can't access via FTP either, so he can't
move the website to a
new ISP, which he is planning to do ASAP. The
problem is actively being
worked on, and we'll post another note as
updates become
available.
The Admins
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Mon Oct 25 09:39:58 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
JAA13772
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:39:58 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from hotmail.com ([216.33.237.57])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id JAA13765
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:39:48 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (qmail 58626 invoked by uid 0); 25 Oct 1999 16:39:27
-0000
Message-ID: <19991025163927.58625.qmail@hotmail.com>
Received:
from 63.11.53.191 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP;
Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:39:27
PDT
X-Originating-IP: [63.11.53.191]
From: "Curt Gendron"
<curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: 4ws
Date: Mon, 25 Oct
1999 11:39:27 CDT
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
format=flowed
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Sam,
I was the one that said the 95-96 TTs did not have
AWS. But remember this
is ONLY on the Stealths. The 3000GTs
always has
AWS.
later,
Curt
http://www.mn3s.org
>From:
"Sam Shelat" <sshelat@erols.com>
>To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
>Subject: Team3S: Fuel injectors,
4ws, and my new Stillen DP
>Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 18:44:59
-0000
>
>Also, one member stated that 95 and 96 TT do not have
AWS. This is not
>what
>it says in my manual or in the specs
of the car. Is this guy mistaken
or
>what?
______________________________________________________
Get
Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Mon Oct 25 09:55:29 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
JAA14186
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:55:29 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from thalia.fm.intel.com (thalia.fm.intel.com
[132.233.247.11])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
JAA14177
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999
09:55:24 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from fmsmsx28.FM.INTEL.COM
(fmsmsx28.fm.intel.com [132.233.42.28])
by thalia.fm.intel.com
(8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.10 1999/10/20 18:19:05 spurcell Exp $) with
ESMTP id MAA16779
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct
1999 12:55:49 GMT
Received: by fmsmsx28.fm.intel.com with Internet Mail
Service (5.5.2448.0)
id <VJQ60421>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:55:18
-0700
Message-ID:
<4148FEAAD879D311AC5700A0C969E8905A834B@orsmsx35.jf.intel.com>
From:
"Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
To: "'Team3S
List'" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Dumb
Question, but curious
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:55:11 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="ISO-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> The way all
police radar guns work is they
> scan the area, and then show what the
strongest signal
> returned was on the readout. Hence why if your
traveling
> in a pack of cars, and a cop clocks the pack, he has
to
> determine (or rather GUESS) which car was doing the returned
>
speed.
True enough....except for one subtlety.
> One
fact to note though is that big vehicles (trucks in other
> words) will
ALWAYS return the strongest signal no matter what.
> So if a trucks
doing 50, and you zip buy at 80, he'll get a
> 50 reading because the
trucks return signal is much stronger.
> This is another
reason why you should always ask to see
> the gun reading for
yourself when they pull you over
I've got a few friends who are cops,
one of whom regularly patrols I-5 on a
bike. When he shoots his radar
gun at a pack of cars/trucks, he generally
gets a reading from the strongest
signal (largest object). BUT (especially
if there is a substantial
speed difference between the slowest and fastest
vehicle), he quite often
gets an oscillating readout. So, in the case you
mention, he'd get a 50
signal with blips at 80. (i.e.
50...50...80...50...50...80...80) If there
aren't any other cars (going
fast)in the area and he can see you're going
considerably faster than the
truck, then consider yourself nailed. And
it will stick in court, at least
in WA. And that stuff about having to
see the gun... well, that only serves
to tick the cop off, which is one thing
you don't want in court. Fair or
not, they don't have to show you the
gun, nor does it have to say your speed
on it (i.e. in the 50/80 case
above). I don't like it, either...from my
personal experience and
talking with some officers, the best thing to do is
be honest, say "Yes,
sir. I understand, sir." a lot, and ask them for some
leniency
BEFORE they write the ticket:)
--Erik
P.S. one other thing that
I've been told may help, especially if you're
pulled over at night is:
roll the window down before the cop walks up, keep
both hands on the wheel as
he talks to you, and when he asks for your
license and registration, tell him
what you're doing (i.e. registration is
in the glove box, you have to get
it...license is in your back pocket...)
That shows the cop that you have some
respect for the position he's in as
far as not having to worry about what
you're doing with that hand that's
outta sight or whether you're reaching for
your registration or a glock
under that passenger seat. Any brownie
points you can get will help
tremendously.
------
----------
Erik
Gross
DuPont, WA
'95 Pearl White 3000GT (base, DOHC,
5-speed) 62,000 mi
Firestone
Firehawk 245/50/ZR16 tires, stock wheels
Magnacor KV85 spark plug wires, NGK
plugs @ 0.040"
K&N FIPK (57-1500), resonator intact
Mobil 1 10W30
Synthetic w/ OEM oil filter
***No more ticking lash adjusters! Treated
with GM EOS, BG
44K FI cleaner. Change oil every 2000mi, filter
4000mi
***
-------------------------------------------------------------
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 25 09:58:54 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA14320
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:58:54 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mx01-ext.netapp.com (mx01-ext.netapp.com [198.95.224.34])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id JAA14313
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:58:48 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (qmail 7380 invoked from network); 25 Oct 1999 17:18:08
-0000
Received: from herra.netapp.com (HELO herra.corp.netapp.com)
(198.95.224.184)
by mx01-ext.netapp.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 1999
17:18:08 -0000
Received: from tahoe.corp.netapp.com (tahoe.corp.netapp.com
[10.10.10.112])
by herra.corp.netapp.com (8.8.7/8.8.7/GNAC-GW-2.1)
with ESMTP id JAA23495;
Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:58:27 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by tahoe.corp.netapp.com with Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
id <VL5GXXR5>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:57:01
-0700
Message-ID:
<242EA98B2B7DD311985A0090277AED510F0BA6@CLEARCREEK.corp.netapp.com>
From:
"Mohler, Jeff" <jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
To:
"'R.G.'" <robby@freesurf.ch>,
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: 3si board
Date: Mon,
25 Oct 1999 09:59:58 -0700
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail
Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Now im
confused.
If _our_ people own the registration, whats the
problem?
-----Original Message-----
From: R.G.
[mailto:robby@freesurf.ch]
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 1999 7:20 AM
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: 3si board
It
seems that another organisation took over the URL and is building up
their
service on it. Unfortunately, Eric Lotter is not answering on emails
too.
AFAIK, www.3si.org is dead until either a new name is registered or the
other
organisation dissapears. It is possible that you can access to the
pages with
the IP address directly, but I don't have it.
Roger
93'3000GT
TT
> Does anyone know why every time I try to log on to www.3si.org,
it gives
me
> a big Forbidden message?
> Is it just my server, or
does everyone have this problem. Happens at work
>
too!
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Mon Oct 25 10:22:27 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
KAA14866
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:22:27 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from apollo.gat.com (apollo.gat.com [192.5.166.20])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id KAA14859
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:22:23 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from gat.com (middaugh@d3dtsa.gat.com
[192.150.242.240])
by apollo.gat.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id
KAA14015;
Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:22:10 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
<381491C5.368599D8@gat.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:22:13
-0700
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Organization:
General Atomics - Fusion Group
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; HP-UX
B.10.20 9000/730)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To:
rah@isd.net
CC: "stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Strut
References: <38120959.A808ABE@isd.net>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Welcome
Rich,
> Hello all, new to the car and I'm hearing that one of my
struts is
> leaking, and I'm worried about cost mainly. I have a 93
R/T TT, and
> when I quickly inquired to a friend from a tire store he
recalled
> Cadillac's electronic struts running round $500? Same
deal? Ack!
> Thanks in advance,
The first thing you need to
know about this car is where you can get factory
parts at discount
prices. There are several dealers whose names keep popping
up.
They are Mitsu dealers, but most parts are identical on the Stealth.
Try
the one closest to you and ask for the internet 3SI
discount:
Tallahassee Mitsubishi, FL: 888-825-5648,
http://www.worldparts.com/tallmits/
Norco Mitsubishi, CA: (888) 689-1788,
http://www.norcomits.com/
Rockland Mitsubishi, NY: 914-353-2100
I
purchased 4 ECS (electronically controlled) struts earlier this year for
about
$540. I then installed them myself and had an alignment
done. If you are a
do-it-yourselfer, let me know and I'll send you the
instructions. Otherwise,
you should be able to find a local shop to do
the install and alignment for
$120-$200.
Good luck,
Ken
--
Drive faster, it is later than you think!
Ken Middaugh (858)
455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Mon Oct 25 10:38:00 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
KAA15307
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:38:00 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail3.sirius.com (mail3.sirius.com
[205.134.253.133])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
KAA15298
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999
10:37:57 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from forrest (ppp-sfx202--135.sirius.net
[205.134.229.135])
by mail3.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id
KAA21317;
Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:41:43 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
<028501bf1f0f$94fa37e0$59e786cd@forrest.sirius.com>
From: "Bob
Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
To: "Mohler, Jeff"
<jeff.mohler@netapp.com>,
"Team3S" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: 3si board
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:35:46 -0700
X-Priority:
3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express
4.72.3612.1700
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3612.1700
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
>>-----Original Message----->From: R.G.
[mailto:robby@freesurf.ch]
>>It seems that another organisation took
over the URL and is
building up
>>their service on it.
Unfortunately, Eric Lotter is not answering
on emails
>>too. AFAIK,
www.3si.org is dead until either a new name is
registered or
the
>>other organisation dissapears. It is possible that you can
access
to the
>>pages with the IP address directly, but I don't have
it.
>
-----Original Message-----From: Mohler,
Jeff
<jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
>Now I'm confused.
>If _our_
people own the registration, whats the problem?
The problem is with
the ISP's server having it's wires crossed.
Although it *appeared* that way
to members trying to access the
site, no one took over the URL; but
another unrelated site IS
coming up when trying to access 3Si.org because of
the server
glitch. Further, the ISP is taking it's time correcting
the
problem, which is why an ISP switch is imminent, WHEN the files can
be
downloaded. Right now, even FTP to the site is unavailable.
An
unbelievable SNAFU, which we hope will be remedied shortly.
Email
privately with any other questions, or watch for updates to be
posted here
from the Admins.
Best,
Forrest
Admin, Team3S
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 25 11:00:19 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id LAA15732
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:00:19 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
calliope1.fm.intel.com (calliope1.fm.intel.com [132.233.247.10])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id LAA15725
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:00:15 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from fmsmsx17.intel.com (fmsmsx17.fm.intel.com
[132.233.58.209])
by calliope1.fm.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v
1.10 1999/10/20 18:19:05 spurcell Exp $) with ESMTP id LAA28323;
Mon, 25 Oct
1999 11:00:00 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by fmsmsx17.fm.intel.com with Internet
Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id <VJQSWJFX>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:59:59
-0700
Message-ID:
<4148FEAAD879D311AC5700A0C969E8905A834D@orsmsx35.jf.intel.com>
From:
"Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
To: "'Team3S
List'" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Cc: "'Matthews'"
<matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>,
"'W. Buckingham'"
<wbuckingham@dmci.net>
Subject: Team3S:
Lash Adjuster Update
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:59:55 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Over the
weekend, I had several requests for an update on the lash adjuster
ticking
problem.
For those of you who don't remember or haven't decoded the
acronyms in my
sig, here's what I did:
1) Arty's cleaning method
(MMO)
- nothing changed right away
2) BG 44K Fuel Injector cleaner
-
nothing changed right away
3) GM EOS(1pt/change) and a fresh oil/filter
change
- intermittent afterwards
4) Fresh oil (not filter) change
-
gone
MMO is Marvel Mystery Oil (not to be confused with snake oil:)
BG
44K is a fuel injector cleaner that I got at my dealer.
GM EOS is General
Motors Engine Oil Supplement (Mitsu or GM dealer)
I started Arty's MMO
method in June, when ticking was regular, loud,
and annoying. I hated
going though drive thrus! I completed the 4 steps
above in July.
It's October now, and I have had NO lash adjuster ticking
when the engine is
warm.
The only times I've heard ticking (other than the normal
fuel
injector ticking) are occasionally when I first start it up after it sat
for
a while. Evidently this is semi-normal, and the FSM even mentions
it. As
soon as I blip the revs above idle (2000 RPM or so), it goes
away for good.
I can probably count on one hand the number of times this has
occurred since
July.
The last oil change I did was at about 2500mi instead
of 2000 (I was
busy:) I may try going to oil every 2500, filter every
5000 and see what
that does. I don't like forking over the $ for Mobil
1 that often, but I
guess in the grand scheme of things, $25 every 3 to 4
months isn't too bad.
BTW, after 3000mi, the oil in my engine is pretty
darned black!
That's why I tried shortening the intervals... I would've
thought that
running synthetic would help it not get so black so quick.
I usually drain
out just under 4qts (w/filter) and end up putting in 4.25-4.5
qts, so I
guess it's using a little oil. I've *never* seen any blue
smoke, and the
car runs like a champ, so it's never concerned me. Does
this sound normal
to y'all? Is the black oil just because it's a fairly
high compression
engine with a high redline and pretty high temps?
(well, not as high as you
TT guys:)
Also, one theory as to the lash
adjuster ticking: now that I think
about it, the more frequent ticking
began soon after I accidentally let the
car go almost 5000miles without
changing the oil (I know, I know, bad Erik).
Anyway, I'm thinking that maybe
some dirt or other crap in the dirty oil
made its way into the lash adjusters
and partially clogged the oil
entrance/exit. This would make the
ticking intermittent, and loud when the
lash adjusters got clogged (they
don't work if they're oil-starved, right?)
Perhaps it took a while to get all
the junk out of them and now that I'm
making sure my oil is pretty darned
clean it hasn't come back.... well, my
thoughts
anyway.
--Erik
------
----------
Erik
Gross
DuPont, WA
'95 Pearl White 3000GT (NA, DOHC,
5-speed) 62,000
mi
Firestone Firehawk 245/50/ZR16 tires, stock wheels
Magnacor KV85 spark
plug wires, NGK plugs @ 0.040"
K&N FIPK (57-1500), resonator
intact
Mobil 1 10W30 Synthetic w/ OEM oil filter
***No more ticking lash
adjusters! Treated with GM EOS, BG
44K FI cleaner. Change
oil every 2000mi, filter 4000mi
***
-------------------------------------------------------------
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 25 12:27:23 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id MAA17497
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:27:23 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
exchange1.bigcharts.com (exchange1.BigCharts.com [206.146.143.5])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id MAA17490
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:27:18 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id
<VDH4VBN4>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:27:14 -0500
Message-ID:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F766F@EXCHANGE1>
From: Matt Jannusch
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To: "'Team3S List'"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Lash Adjuster
Update
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:27:14 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> 1) Arty's
cleaning method (MMO)
> - nothing changed right away
> 2) BG 44K
Fuel Injector cleaner
> - nothing changed right away
> 3) GM
EOS(1pt/change) and a fresh oil/filter change
> - intermittent
afterwards
> 4) Fresh oil (not filter) change
> - gone
I had
really bad lifters that would tick anywhere below 2,000 RPM and really* bad at
idle. I changed oil and filter, using a Mitsu filter and Mobil 0W30
synthetic. I ran the thin oil for the full 3000 miles, and then switched
to Mobil 10W30 synthetic and the ticking was solved. It'll occasionally do
it at idle after the car has been idling for some time, but overall the problem
is solved.
The 0W30 washes the crud out of the lifters, while still
supplying a high enough viscosity to protect bearings from wear. I read
about this process on the DSM List. Seems to work
fine.
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Mon Oct 25 13:07:54 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
NAA18160
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:07:54 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from bricks.carlson.com (mail.carlson.com
[208.240.12.67])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
NAA18152
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999
13:07:50 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail.carlson.com (root@localhost)
by
bricks.carlson.com with ESMTP id PAA17192
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:07:47 -0500
(CDT)
Received: from otcmsg07.carlson.com (otcmsg07.carlson.com
[172.24.129.74])
by mail.carlson.com with SMTP id PAA17143
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:07:45 -0500
(CDT)
Received: by otcmsg07.carlson.com with Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
id <40LZTP6B>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:06:37
-0500
Message-ID:
<CB1B2EAE12C5D2119E0000805F9F82210396D798@otcmsg09.carlson.com>
From:
"Basol, John" <jbasol@Carlson.com>
To:
"'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com'"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: End of the season
#'s
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:06:34 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer:
Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Well, I was half
expecting that Curt would have already posted to the list
by now (well, maybe
he has and I just haven't gotten it yet, sometimes our
servers our slow), but
the MN3S club went to the track yesterday for some
year end results.
I
haven't had my Stealth on the track since I bought it. I took it to
the
track in April with the stock air cleaner (and I'm sure orig. filter, by
the
look of it), original plugs, wires, etc.. I managed a best of 13.797
@
98.25MPH.
This past summer the car received a K&N Aircharger,
new plugs gapped at
.032", Magnecore wires, a Blitz DSBC, a test pipe,
gutted pre-cats, and the
Spearco 980 water injection system. With all
of this I was shooting for
12's. 12.999 would have been enough to put a
smile on my face. The result
of all of this work: 12.855 @
107.33MPH all for less than $1k. I'm happy.
Curt, who was
also shooting for 12's with almost the same mods (different
air filter,
clutch, and exhaust), finally got his 12's too, at get this:
12.855
@107.41 :-)
We don't like Oskar anymore, he showed us up with a
12.67x. he drives to
well, we're kicking him out of the club! :-)
(J/K, we love ya' Oskar!)
Anyway... Thanks to everyone on this list who
provided me with feedback and
insight I played with my toy. I have
accomplished my goal with it. Now I
have to turn my attention to
another car (don't ask, it's not pretty), and I
have the same goal:
12's.
Thanks again all,
John Basol
'95 Stealth RT/TT --->
finally in the 12's! :-)
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Mon Oct 25 13:59:45 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
NAA19677
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:59:45 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from matrix.webzone.net (matrix.webzone.net
[205.219.23.25])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id
NAA19661
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999
13:59:41 -0700 (PDT)
Received: (qmail 9931 invoked from network); 25 Oct 1999
15:59:33 -0500
Received: from benson (pm3-33.ppp145.webzone.net
[208.165.100.145])
by
matrix.webzone.net with SMTP; 25 Oct 1999 15:59:33 -0500
Message-ID:
<003c01bf1f26$468b0f00$10c9c9c9@benson>
From: "Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell" <benson@2015.com>
To: "3000GT
Mailing" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: More
news on the laser radar gun thingy
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:19:42
-0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Hello all,
I appologize if this is considered off-topic, but
it is technical :). I've
gotten a few emails about this already, and
figured I'd post this. I asked
my bud hows a physics major (yet he
programs video games, go figure ;)p,
about where to get the equipment needed
for this and he had some good info.
So I'm just posting his reply back to
me.
-------------snip-----------------
> Hey stud, Remember in
high school when you went out and bought a
> really high candle-watt
powered light (like the kinds the cops use)?
> Just curious if ya could
tell me where I could pick up one of those
> (like what kind of
stores)?
Wal-mart does, I think. The one I had back then was
200,000 candlepower.
They now have 500,000 and even 1,000,000 candlepower
versions. Get the
1 million. ;-)
> Also, any ideas
on where i could possibly pick up an ir
> filter for that light (something
to filter out all the light but the ir
> spectrum)? I've been talking with
some people on the 3000GT/Stealth news
> mailing and mentioned a something
in an old Car and Driver on defeating
> laser radar guns and some people
have asked where they could possibly come
> across these two items :). You
being the physics prof. ;)p, I thought
> would ask ya. Any ideas? Latufh
fuh U,
You can't just use any IR filter. You need to find out
what light
frequency the cops' IR guns use (wild guess? around 350nm)
and get
a filter for that frequency. ie, one that filters out all
visible
light (~380nm - ~700nm) but leaves the IR light to pass
through.
I have no idea where to buy these. I'm sure a careful web
search can
turn up a few pages that sell 'em online,
though...
-------------snip-----------------
Hope this helps for
those that are intersted.
Latufh fuh
U,
Benson
benson@2015.com
"-Do you ever have second
thoughts?
-When do I ever have first thoughts?"
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 25 14:46:05 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id OAA20369
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:46:05 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id OAA20362
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:46:02 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from default (207-172-176-93.s347.tnt1.hck.nj.dialup.rcn.com
[207.172.176.93])
by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id
RAA04096
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999
17:50:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Sam Shelat"
<sshelat@erols.com>
To: "team3s"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Magazine and
reviewers
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:33:45 -0000
Message-ID:
<01bf1f0f$16bcb6a0$5db0accf@default>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.71.1712.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
They do not always give accurate info. I have read an Edmunds
report on our
4ws system and they compare it to the old Hondas and how it
does not help
high speed turning. They claimed our 4ws is opposite
phase when in fact it
is same phase and does not even work at low
speeds. Take everything these
magazines say or do with a little
skepticism, because they can be wrong.
Sam
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 25 14:52:56 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id OAA20541
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:52:56 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mx01-ext.netapp.com (mx01-ext.netapp.com [198.95.224.34])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id OAA20534
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:52:52 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (qmail 14620 invoked from network); 25 Oct 1999 22:12:11
-0000
Received: from herra.netapp.com (HELO herra.corp.netapp.com)
(198.95.224.184)
by mx01-ext.netapp.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 1999
22:12:11 -0000
Received: from tahoe.corp.netapp.com (tahoe.corp.netapp.com
[10.10.10.112])
by herra.corp.netapp.com (8.8.7/8.8.7/GNAC-GW-2.1)
with ESMTP id OAA21227
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:52:24 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by tahoe.corp.netapp.com with
Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id <VL5GX8WA>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999
14:50:58 -0700
Message-ID:
<242EA98B2B7DD311985A0090277AED510F0BAD@CLEARCREEK.corp.netapp.com>
From:
"Mohler, Jeff" <jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
To: team3s
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: AWS
Modifications?
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:53:55 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Question:
Is there a way to enable AWS at low
speeds?
A jumper, confuse the 'brain' etc?
Just wondering.
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 25 14:53:35 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id OAA20576
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:53:35 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.swissonline.ch (mail.swissonline.ch [62.2.32.83])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id OAA20565
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:53:30 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from swissonline.ch (pop-zh-4-dialup-103.freesurf.ch
[194.230.203.103])
by mail.swissonline.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id
XAA19927;
Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:52:51 +0200 (MET DST)
Message-ID:
<3814D0CE.7774E285@swissonline.ch>
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:51:10
+0200
From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
Reply-To:
robby@swissonline.ch
Organization: Behind the frontier
X-Mailer: Mozilla
4.6 [en]C-QXW0310a (Win98; I)
X-Accept-Language: de,
en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Trevor James
<Trevor@kscable.com>,
Team3S
List <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Admin Message:
3Si board up again
References: <000401be30b4$007a1580$82159a8e@default>
<3812E34B.A3AD6607@swissonline.ch> <381377F1.EC7C7F9A@kscable.com>
<008201bf1e6e$c948f1e0$efcbe6c2@rg>
<3813A658.3A694EE@kscable.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
The ISP has
hopefully solved their problems.
Roger, for the Admins
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 25 14:54:15 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id OAA20648
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:54:15 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mx01-ext.netapp.com (mx01-ext.netapp.com [198.95.224.34])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id OAA20629
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:54:03 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (qmail 13896 invoked from network); 25 Oct 1999 22:13:23
-0000
Received: from herra.netapp.com (HELO herra.corp.netapp.com)
(198.95.224.184)
by mx01-ext.netapp.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 1999
22:13:23 -0000
Received: from tahoe.corp.netapp.com (tahoe.corp.netapp.com
[10.10.10.112])
by herra.corp.netapp.com (8.8.7/8.8.7/GNAC-GW-2.1)
with ESMTP id OAA21524
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:53:36 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by tahoe.corp.netapp.com with
Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id <VL5GX8WW>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999
14:52:10 -0700
Message-ID:
<242EA98B2B7DD311985A0090277AED510F0BAE@CLEARCREEK.corp.netapp.com>
From:
"Mohler, Jeff" <jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
To: team3s
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S:
backfiring..etc
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:55:08 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
When we had a 92
StealthTT, and we removed all the cats, we found/enjoyed the
occasional
backfiring issue others have.
Question is..is this harmful,
normal..??
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 25 15:27:18 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id PAA21335
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:27:18 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
out4.prserv.net (out4.prserv.net [165.87.194.239])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id PAA21328
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:26:59 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from ibm.net (slip-32-101-161-4.nc.us.prserv.net
[32.101.161.4])
by out4.prserv.net (/) with ESMTP id WAA115698
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 22:26:45
GMT
Message-ID: <3814D63B.9612A244@ibm.net>
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999
18:14:19 -0400
From: William Lynn Larsen <wlarsen@ibm.net>
Reply-To:
wlarsen@ibm.net
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I)
X-Accept-Language:
en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: "SI, Three"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: So
long
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
All,
It has been great being on this list. I have enjoyed the
technical
discussion and have learned one helluva lot about modern
computer
controlled engines. (I'll never own a carb'ed car
again!)
But, I have now purchased a chassis and body for a Ford GT40
replicar
and the demands of parts searching, purchasing, construction and
that
pesky thing called my job are just not allowing me time to keep up
with
the list. For those interested in the conglomeration of parts that
will
ultimately yield a finished car the major components are:
Engine
- Ford 5.0L hold the boos and hisses; there is some amount of
history
and tradition I must maintain here and performance parts are
plentiful and
cheap. Also see comment on weight below.
Transaxle/clutch - Porsche G50,
preferably a G50-50 but they are really
hard to find. For those purists that
are saying, "I thought the GT40
used a ZF transaxle?"
technically the Porsche transaxle is made by ZF.
It is just a more modern
unit that a much larger number of people can
work on. The later big block
GT40s used a special T44 Ford transaxle and
there is a guy in Charlotte, NC
making these, but he wants $25-30K for
them. I don't think so....! He also is
building real, part-for-part
interchangable GT40s for around $3-400K a copy.
I'll send his email
address if anyone is interested ;-)
Upright/brake
assemblies are Corvette - been known for poor braking, but
I'll only be
stopping 2K lbs., not a Vette which ways as much, or more,
than our cars.
Steering is the typical Mustang II rack and pinion that
is used in 90% of the
kit cars. Suspension is very similar to original.
Chassis is built by the
guy that owns Sabre Automotive, John Donnelly,
He bought out KVA which was
owned by Ken Atwell, one of the original
engineers working on the GT40, a
well known GT40 kit manufacturer in
England for years. John worked for
Jaguar for 8 years, spent 10 years
with Brabam racing and several more years
for another racing team in
South Africa (can't recall the name.) It was in
South Africa that he
started building Cobra replicars then moved that
operation to the US.
When Cobra kits became a dime a dozen and not worth
much more, John got
out of the Cobra business rather than cheapening his
product and got
into the GT40 business. Shortly after purchasing KVA he
got a contract
to build 10 turnkey cars for a marketing company which sold
the cars
under the name American GT. Having finished the OEM contract he
only
recently started preparing to sell kits to the public. So I got one
of
the first "kits" and got it at 1/2 price so that he could have
a
reference of someone building one of his cars. The chassis is a work
of
art compared to most kit car chassis and is making it a pleasure to
work
on.
The body is pretty nicely built as well from original molds
he got from
KVA. He uses a multilayer fibreglass cloth with each layer
at a 15
degree bias to the others. Carbon fibre is used around the
windshield
area for strength and Kevlar is used in the firewall.
I
know this is way off topic, but you can't kick me off because I am
going to
have to unsubscribe. Again thank you all for the education. I
hope I
have helped the few people I have responded too.
Regards,
Lynn
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 25 16:19:47 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id QAA22253
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:19:47 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
hotmail.com (law-f277.hotmail.com [209.185.130.193])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id QAA22246
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:19:42 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (qmail 80979 invoked by uid 0); 25 Oct 1999 23:19:22
-0000
Message-ID: <19991025231922.80978.qmail@hotmail.com>
Received:
from 207.218.175.34 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP;
Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:19:22
PDT
X-Originating-IP: [207.218.175.34]
From: "Rob Lewin"
<sdholo@hotmail.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Team3S: Broken Reverse
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:19:22 PDT
Mime-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Well, It finally
happened to me. Transmission Problems. Seems that I can't
shift my 5 speed
getrag into reverse. It's as though the gate (if there is
one) will not
open. It happened three times before and each time I was able
to run it
through the gears and then get it into reverse. I couldn't the
last
time.
The dealer just called and told me that as best as his mechanic can
determine without a complete breakdown is that it's "broken". gee.
Only a
$100 for that expert opinion. The service advisor has informed me
that there
are rebuild parts that are listed in the catalog, but who knows
if they're
available.
My questions to the list are: Does this problem
sound familiar to anyone,
and if so what was your solution? Does anyone know
if there are actually
rebuild parts available? Is this a job that a
resonably competent mechanic
can do without some exotic tools? And if not,
are there any shops that do
this work at a reasonable shop rate?
The
car in question is a 1991 Stealth R/T TT.
Thanks for your time and
hopefully your solutions.
Rob Lewin
San
Diego
______________________________________________________
Get
Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Mon Oct 25 16:23:56 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
QAA22351
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:23:56 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail3.kscable.com (fe3.rdc-kc.rr.com
[24.94.163.50])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
QAA22344
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999
16:23:51 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from kscable.com ([24.94.213.224]) by
mail3.kscable.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19);
Mon, 25 Oct
1999 18:15:24 -0500
Message-ID:
<3814E70B.D9189022@kscable.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 18:26:03
-0500
From: Trevor James <Trevor@kscable.com>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7
[en] (Win98; I)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To:
stealth@starnet.net, team3s <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject:
Team3S: EGT Probe Mounting
References:
<3814D63B.9612A244@ibm.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Which cylinder
is the easiest one to weld an EGT fitting onto. Instructions for my
Autometer
gauge say 4" from the head. I'm sure when I pull the front heat shield off
it
will be obvious but I thought maybe you guys have some
insight....
Also I should keep max EGT's under 1580F,
right?
Trevor
96 R/T TT-Doing 15G's, 550's, VPC, Fuel Pump, Downpipe,
Pre-Cat gutting, Greddy BOV, EGT
& A/F Ratio Gauges starting
tomorrow.....
Already has a HKS EVC IV, Borla, Plugs@.034", Accel Wires,
& K&N FIPK.
92 GMC Typhoon
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Mon Oct 25 16:31:03 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
QAA22549
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:31:03 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from ojm.ml.org (ppp-140.tnt-1.hou.smartworld.net
[216.70.82.140])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id
QAA22542
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999
16:30:56 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from OJMSERVER [127.0.0.1] by ojm.ml.org
[127.0.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP4.R) for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 18:30:24 -0500
From:
"Omar Malik" <ojm@iname.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Lash Adjuster
Update
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 18:30:23 -0500
Message-ID:
<NDBBIMNBJKHKKNBKNCIKIENDDBAA.ojm@iname.com>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer:
Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)
X-MimeOLE: Produced By
Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.207
In-Reply-To:
<4148FEAAD879D311AC5700A0C969E8905A834D@orsmsx35.jf.intel.com>
Importance:
Normal
X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
X-Return-Path:
ojm@iname.com
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
I've had good success with the Mopar Combustion Chamber Cleaner
(MCCC)
process over at www.dsm.org under the maintenance section. I used
about 4
cans of the stuff (applied the same way as listed under dsm.org, not
as it
says on the can) Let it soak in for a good 24 hours. Most of the
stuff
seeped through the rings and into the oil, basically turning into an
engine
flush. After changing the oil (mobil 1, 15w-50 houston, tx) the tick
was
totally and completely gone. There was alot of smoke on initial startup,
but
it was just the cleaner burning off inside the exhaust manifold
and
downpipe. Although it isn't listed on the sight, if the car is old and
has
alot of carbon buildup, the cat should be remove before the process, as
it
could get plugged up from all the junk flushed out with the
cleaner.
I've had very mild tick recurrences 3 months later, but only on
startup for
about 20 sec. nothing a good revving (a la manual revving
process,
idle-3k-idle rpm over a minutes time) doesn't fix. about as audible
as
injectors ticking away (before i rev)
Omar
92
r/t
> For those of you who don't remember or haven't decoded the
acronyms in my
> sig, here's what I did:
>
>
> 1) Arty's
cleaning method (MMO)
> - nothing changed right away
> 2) BG 44K
Fuel Injector cleaner
> - nothing changed right away
> 3) GM
EOS(1pt/change) and a fresh oil/filter change
> - intermittent
afterwards
> 4) Fresh oil (not filter) change
> -
gone
>
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 25 16:43:04 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id QAA22761
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:43:04 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
apollo.gat.com (apollo.gat.com [192.5.166.20])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id QAA22753
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:43:01 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from gat.com (middaugh@d3dtsa.gat.com
[192.150.242.240])
by apollo.gat.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id
QAA04000;
Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:42:59 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
<3814EB07.5CF5531E@gat.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:43:03
-0700
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Organization:
General Atomics - Fusion Group
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; HP-UX
B.10.20 9000/730)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Rob Lewin
<sdholo@hotmail.com>
CC: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Broken Reverse
References:
<19991025231922.80978.qmail@hotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Rob,
I
have good news and bad news. First the bad: The Getrag tranny on the
twin
turbo cars is officially not rebuildable since Mitsubishi and Dodge do
not sell
parts. Officially they sell new or Getrag-rebuilt units.
Either of these
options is very expensive, we've heard costs of of
$4000-$6000.
The good news: Some non-factory parts have emerged to
fill the Getrag void.
Unfortunately new synchros and gears aren't officially
available yet. Also
there just happens to be a Getrag rebuilder here in
San Diego! At least you
could save on shipping charges. I'll
forward you (not the list, again) the info
on MD Auto.
Good
luck,
Ken
P.S. Do you want me to add you to the San Diego
3000GT/Stealth list?
Rob Lewin wrote:
>
> Well, It finally
happened to me. Transmission Problems. Seems that I can't
> shift my 5
speed getrag into reverse. It's as though the gate (if there is
> one)
will not open. It happened three times before and each time I was able
>
to run it through the gears and then get it into reverse. I couldn't the
>
last time.
>
> The dealer just called and told me that as best as
his mechanic can
> determine without a complete breakdown is that it's
"broken". gee. Only a
> $100 for that expert opinion. The
service advisor has informed me that there
> are rebuild parts that are
listed in the catalog, but who knows if they're
> available.
>
> My questions to the list are: Does this problem sound familiar to
anyone,
> and if so what was your solution? Does anyone know if there are
actually
> rebuild parts available? Is this a job that a resonably
competent mechanic
> can do without some exotic tools? And if not, are
there any shops that do
> this work at a reasonable shop rate?
>
> The car in question is a 1991 Stealth R/T TT.
>
> Thanks
for your time and hopefully your solutions.
>
> Rob Lewin
>
San Diego
>
>
______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private,
Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
--
Drive faster, it
is later than you think!
Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General
Atomics
San Diego
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 25 16:51:10 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id QAA22886
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:51:10 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mx01-ext.netapp.com (mx01-ext.netapp.com [198.95.224.34])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id QAA22879
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:51:07 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (qmail 6509 invoked from network); 26 Oct 1999 00:10:34
-0000
Received: from herra.netapp.com (HELO herra.corp.netapp.com)
(198.95.224.184)
by mx01-ext.netapp.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 1999
00:10:34 -0000
Received: from tahoe.corp.netapp.com (tahoe.corp.netapp.com
[10.10.10.112])
by herra.corp.netapp.com (8.8.7/8.8.7/GNAC-GW-2.1)
with ESMTP id QAA13971
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:50:46 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by tahoe.corp.netapp.com with
Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id <VL5GYAAH>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999
16:49:19 -0700
Message-ID:
<242EA98B2B7DD311985A0090277AED510F0BB4@CLEARCREEK.corp.netapp.com>
From:
"Mohler, Jeff" <jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
To: "'3s'"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Water
Injection
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:52:17 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Im familiar with
the process, but what kit(s) are people using, and specifically
at what
costs, install hassles, and what have the repsective 'butt-o-meter'
guages
felt about this mod?
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 25 17:08:28 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id RAA23349
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:08:28 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail3.sirius.com (mail3.sirius.com [205.134.253.133])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id RAA23342
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:08:18 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from forrest (ppp-sfx202--113.sirius.net
[205.134.229.113])
by mail3.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id
RAA94155;
Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:08:55 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
<035e01bf1f45$bf6931d0$59e786cd@forrest.sirius.com>
From: "Bob
Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
To: "Team3S"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Admin Alert:
www.3Si.org is back on line.
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:59:34
-0700
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3612.1700
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
As has already been reported, the website is on line once again,
at
www.3Si.org . Whether or not the fix is permanent or if all
the
scripts will work is still unknown, since Eric has had to mirror
the
entire site into one of its subdirectories. Eric has provided
a
separate URL for announcements as to the status of the
site:
http://www.3si.org/crash/index.htm . Again, he has said that
it
will be a simple one with scripts that may or may not work, but he
will
try to update frequently.
We have a link page up to reach Eric or the
update site, which is at
www.bobforrest.com/3Si.htm .
The
Admins
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 25 17:10:28 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id RAA23421
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:10:28 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail2.tor.accglobal.net (mail2.tor.accglobal.net [204.92.55.104])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id RAA23403
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:09:58 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from ppp-030.m2-15.tor.ican.net ([142.154.19.30]
helo=default)
by mail2.tor.accglobal.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1)
id
11fuAj-0002G7-02; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:09:07 -0400
Message-ID:
<001201be3200$e9f52ae0$1e139a8e@default>
From: "nketo"
<nketo@accglobal.net>
To: "Trevor James"
<Trevor@kscable.com>, "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Cc:
"Team3S List" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Turbo questions for all (efficiency map)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998
17:24:57 -0800
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
multipart/mixed;
boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE31BD.D345CEA0"
X-Priority:
3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express
4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
This is a
multi-part message in MIME
format.
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE31BD.D345CEA0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
-----Original Message-----
From: Trevor James
<Trevor@kscable.com>
To: R.G. <robby@freesurf.ch>
Cc: Team3S
List <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Sunday, October 24, 1999
4:37 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Turbo questions for all (efficiency
map)
Hey guys,
Here's an efficiency map for the 368's from
Brian.
You have any info regarding the
15G's?
-Noble
>"R.G."
wrote:
>
>> > There is such thing as not being able to run
enough boost/RPM to make
the
>> turbo more
>> >
efficient. This is apples to oragnes but it's the same theory.
Check
this
>> out;
>> >
http://www.enzoco.com/mike/syclone/maps.htm
>>
>> I've already
seen such maps and I wonder if we can get it for our 9b /
13g
>>
compressor wheels. Anyone
?
>>
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE31BD.D345CEA0
Content-Type:
image/jpeg;
name="368 comp map
(1).jpg"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition:
attachment;
filename="368 comp map
(1).jpg"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------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE31BD.D345CEA0--
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 25 17:12:56 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id RAA23588
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:12:56 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail1.tor.accglobal.net (mail1.tor.accglobal.net [204.92.55.105])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id RAA23581
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:12:53 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from ppp-030.m2-15.tor.ican.net ([142.154.19.30]
helo=default)
by mail1.tor.accglobal.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1)
id
11fuEK-0002a3-01
for stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com; Mon, 25 Oct 1999
20:12:50 -0400
Message-ID:
<002301be3201$6f4c9ac0$1e139a8e@default>
From: "nketo"
<nketo@accglobal.net>
To: "Team3S List"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Turbo
maps
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:28:46 -0800
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3110.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Hey everybody,
For all those interested, I have the 368
efficiency maps from Brian at Gt
pro.
E-mail me if you would like a
copy
Later
Noble
(nketo@accglobal.net)
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 25 17:18:38 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id RAA23672
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:18:38 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail1.tor.accglobal.net (mail1.tor.accglobal.net [204.92.55.105])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id RAA23665
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:18:35 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from ppp-030.m2-15.tor.ican.net ([142.154.19.30]
helo=default)
by mail1.tor.accglobal.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1)
id
11fuJt-0003JZ-01
for stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com; Mon, 25 Oct 1999
20:18:34 -0400
Message-ID:
<002e01bf201b$6f459460$1e139a8e@default>
From: "nketo"
<nketo@accglobal.net>
To: "Team3S List"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Turbo
maps
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 17:34:37 -0800
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3110.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Sorry guys,
My computer is always acting up :(
Regarding
the 368's, e-mail if you need additional info.
-Noble
-----Original
Message-----
From: nketo <nketo@accglobal.net>
To: Team3S List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Monday, October 25, 1999 4:13
PM
Subject: Team3S: Re: Turbo maps
>Hey
everybody,
>
>For all those interested, I have the 368 efficiency
maps from Brian at Gt
>pro.
>E-mail me if you would like a
copy
>
>Later
>Noble
>(nketo@accglobal.net)
>
>
>
>For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 25 18:24:32 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id SAA24724
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 18:24:32 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
refuge.Colorado.EDU (monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU [128.138.196.2])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id SAA24717
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 18:24:29 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from localhost (monarchd@localhost)
by refuge.Colorado.EDU
(8.9.3/8.9.3/UnixOps+Hesiod (PDH)) with SMTP id TAA04377
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 19:24:21 -0600
(MDT)
Message-Id:
<199910260124.TAA04377@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
X-Authentication-Warning:
refuge.Colorado.EDU: monarchd@localhost didn't use HELO protocol
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: WANTED: sunroof crank parts
(Getrag?)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 19:24:21 -0600
From: Dave Monarchi
<monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Greetings
all..
Once again, sorry for my low tech posts, but I need the help of all
your
collective eyeballs.. :) I need to find a 3000 or stealth
with the
large glass "pop-up" roof (actually cranks) that is being
parted out..
A fellow Team3S member, Moe Prasad, was kind enough to tear
apart his
crank mechanism on his 92 VR4 to find out what was missing in
mine..
It turns out there two pieces to the vertical "worm gear"
that raises
the rear of the roof.. mine is missing the inner
one..
you can see the internals of this mechanism
at:
http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~monarchd/3000gt/sunroof/sunroof.html
I
really only need that piece, but if need be I will buy a whole
regulator
assembly.. I tried MSRecycling and was told I must have an
aftermarket
roof since their computer didn't show a glass roof that
pops up..
somewhat rudely I might add.. hmm.. I've seen plenty of
3/S with
this roof.. guess who I won't be calling any more?
the dealer wants
an obscene amount for this simple mechanism.. oh
yeah.. it has
gears in it.. must be made by Getrag.. :)
anyway, if any of
you could forward me a phone number or URL of any
private party (preferable
as likely to be more reasonably priced) or
any salvage yard that has one, I'd
sure appreciate it..
Thanks!
Dave
95 Black VR4
87 Mica Red
GTI G60
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 25 18:44:18 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id SAA24888
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 18:44:18 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id SAA24880
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 18:44:13 -0700
(PDT)
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
Received: from TurboDrvn@aol.com
by
imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id iTPLa09316 (3934);
Mon, 25 Oct 1999
21:43:29 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <0.ad93edf8.25466141@aol.com>
Date:
Mon, 25 Oct 1999 21:43:29 EDT
Subject: Re: Team3S: Broken Reverse
To:
sdholo@hotmail.com, stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer:
Windows AOL sub 44
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
In a message
dated 10/25/99 6:22:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
sdholo@hotmail.com
writes:
<< My questions to the list are: Does this problem sound
familiar to anyone,
and if so what was your solution? Does anyone know if
there are actually
rebuild parts available? Is this a job that a resonably
competent mechanic
can do without some exotic tools? And if not, are there
any shops that do
this work at a reasonable shop rate?
The car in
question is a 1991 Stealth R/T TT.
Thanks for your time and hopefully
your solutions.
Rob Lewin >>
Hey there
Rob,
For starters, I highly recommend you or a trusted
mechanic check the
shifter linkage control area; this area is located right
beneath the blow off
valve vicinity. There is a pin located there that
may have "slipped out" and
is now acting as an obsturction and
preventing you from entering into your
Reverse gear.
That's
the first place to check......could save you Thousands of dollars! It
happened to me twice.
Good luck,
Ahmed "AL-Crazy"
- '92 VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 25 20:27:48 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id UAA26382
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:27:48 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mxout1.cac.washington.edu (mxout1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.5])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id UAA26375
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:27:43 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mailhost2.u.washington.edu (mailhost2.u.washington.edu
[140.142.33.2])
by mxout1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08)
with ESMTP id UAA03334
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25
Oct 1999 20:27:43 -0700
Received: from u.washington.edu
(cs313-9.spmodem.washington.edu [140.142.175.10])
by
mailhost2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id
UAA21312
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999
20:27:42 -0700
Message-ID:
<38151F54.41A2564C@u.washington.edu>
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:26:12
-0700
From: Errin Humphrey <errin@u.washington.edu>
Organization:
University of Washington
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en,ja
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: 3/S Sirius Mailing
List <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: VR4 AWD
Torque Split ACTUAL
References:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7669@EXCHANGE1>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Matt Jannusch
wrote:
> I'm going to be trying to decide which turbos to go with for
next summer,
> either 13G or 15G. I don't want to sacrifice
drivability and quick spoolup
> though, as I occasionally autocross
the car and don't drag race often.
Matt,
I don't have the 15Gs on
my 94 VR4, but I have driven around a 94 Stealth
TT with the 15Gs. I
didn't notice hardly any difference in spoolup. The car
drove around
town just fine, and it felt maybe even a little better than my car
at the low
rpms maybe because it had the stock catalytic converter on
(mine
doesn't). I am not expecting to sacrifice any driveability when I
upgrade to
the 15Gs. In my opinion, upgrading only to 13Gs is kind of
pointless, especially
in light of Roger Gerl's dyno charts which show that
the horsepower differences
(compared to 9Bs) really aren't that
great.
Good luck,
--Errin Humphrey
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 25 20:34:08 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id UAA26532
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:34:08 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mx02.gis.net (mail2.gis.net [208.218.130.7])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id UAA26525
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:34:05 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from monster (ppp47-130.gis.net [216.41.47.130]) by
mx02.gis.net (8.8.8/8.8.8+pyrd) with SMTP id XAA06648 for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:34:02 -0400
(EDT)
Message-ID: <00b701bf1f62$f08ea700$140100b6@monster>
Reply-To:
"Gil Gomes" <gil@warpedweb.com>
From: "Gil Gomes"
<gil@warpedweb.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: adding turbos to an
NA
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:33:57 -0400
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3612.1700
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
I've got a shot at picking up a set of stock
turbos. Is it worthwhile looking into bolting
them onto a 3KGT
base? The only major
difference I can find between the two
engines
is the compression ration 10:1/8:1....
-Remo
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 25 20:39:32 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id UAA26654
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:39:32 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mxout1.cac.washington.edu (mxout1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.5])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id UAA26647
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:39:29 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mailhost1.u.washington.edu (mailhost1.u.washington.edu
[140.142.32.2])
by mxout1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08)
with ESMTP id UAA04140;
Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:39:28 -0700
Received: from
u.washington.edu (cs313-9.spmodem.washington.edu [140.142.175.10])
by
mailhost1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id
UAA00089;
Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:39:27 -0700
Message-ID:
<38152215.AB533F32@u.washington.edu>
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:37:57
-0700
From: Errin Humphrey <errin@u.washington.edu>
Organization:
University of Washington
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en,ja
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>,
3/S
Sirius Mailing List <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Knock, knock ....
References:
<01a901bf1cce$c63b9ee0$c6e2e6c2@rg> <38111C46.4AE6A9B0@mediaone.net>
<002b01bf1d38$31c177c0$c3ede6c2@rg>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
"R.G."
wrote:
> Yes, running lean is critical but the logger will see this
with the O2
> sensors, the knock and the timing. Our ECU does take care of
the [snip]
>
> If you want to do the tuning job most seriously
you'll need :
> - temp readings : intake, turbo discharge, intercooler
out, before TB,
> intake plenum, EGT
> - pressure readings :
discharge, after intercooler, before turbo (turbine
> backpressure), after
turbo (exhaust backpressure)
Roger,
I just wanted to pass along
some tuning advice from a friend of mine
here in the Seattle area. He's
running a second-gen Eclipse tuned by
himself with a PMS (he upgraded from
AFC so he could tune timing
and get data logs), and he runs 12.0 in the 1/4
mile on 19" wheels with
full interior (big 20G sized turbo). Once
his car is tuned with his new
heads, he should be easily running consistent
mid 11's.
Here's what he says.
1) Tuning with stock O2
sensor readings is no good because they are
not very accurate unless you are
at partial throttle. This is why our cars
ignore O2 sensor readings at
full throttle.
2) An A/F meter gives you a good approximation of
where you are,
but it is not a very accurate thing to tune with. It is
basically making a
rough guess of what the actual ratio is.
3)
EGT readings are too coarse to tune with. They are a useful
indicator
of the limits within which you should be running.
4) According to
this friend of mine, the best indicator with which you
should tune is a
wide-band O2 sensor. It's usually too expensive to
buy one, so you need
to rent it. It has a sensor which you clip on to
your exhaust pipe and
a meter which you plug into your cigarette lighter.
It gives VERY accurate O2
sensor readings which it translates into an
air/fuel ratio. There are
many other people who use it to tune their
modified cars.
So anyway, I
thought you (and other people on the list) might want to
look into
this. Or if somebody on the list has used one they can pass
along their
experiences.
--Errin Humphrey
Seattle, WA
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 25 23:38:08 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id XAA28419
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:38:08 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
refuge.Colorado.EDU (refuge.Colorado.EDU [128.138.196.2])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id XAA28412
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:37:59 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from refuge.colorado.edu (demon.Colorado.EDU
[128.138.196.115])
by refuge.Colorado.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/UnixOps+Hesiod
(Refuge)) with ESMTP id AAA23151
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Tue, 26 Oct 1999 00:37:44 -0600 (MDT)
Message-ID:
<38154C35.18B49C5C@refuge.colorado.edu>
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 00:37:41
-0600
From: Dave <monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
X-Mailer: Mozilla
4.7 [en] (Win95; I)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To:
"stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: K&N - best
price?
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I figured
I'd try to redeem myself by asking a (slightly) more relevant
question.. I want to get a FIPK/Aircharger/whatever tomorrow, (or at
least order one) and wondering if anyone has found any smokin'
deals..
I found one ad in Sport Compact Car that listed a special on the
Aircharger
for a 2nd gen Eclipse for $79. (I'm aware of the filter size and
L-bracket
issues.) Do any of you know of any other deals? Is the
consensus still
that that K&N works best or at least as good as
others?
thanks!
Dave
95 Black VR4
87 Mica Red GTI G60
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Mon
Oct 25 23:38:46 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id XAA28454
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:38:46 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mailgw02.execpc.com (sendmail@mailgw02.execpc.com [169.207.3.78])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id XAA28447
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:38:43 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from pop00.execpc.com (pop00.execpc.com
[169.207.1.114])
by mailgw02.execpc.com (8.9.1) id BAA05177;
Tue, 26 Oct
1999 01:38:37 -0500
Received: from execpc.com (minbar-1-74.mdm.mke.execpc.com
[169.207.135.74]) by pop00.execpc.com (8.8.8) id BAA14372; Tue, 26 Oct 1999
01:38:33 -0500
Message-ID: <38154BA1.AEF94250@execpc.com>
Date: Tue,
26 Oct 1999 01:35:14 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Reply-To:
xwing@execpc.com
Organization: Exec-PC
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95;
U)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Sirius 3000GT Mail List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>,
"stealth@starnet.net" <stealth@starnet.net>
Subject: Team3S:
9B, 13G, 15G relative performances
References:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7669@EXCHANGE1>
<38151F54.41A2564C@u.washington.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
The 13G make at
least 50+ hp more than the 9B. I did
no other changes on my '93 and
went from 12.727 @ 107.562 mph to
12.172 @ 112.890 mph quartermile on 8/31/94
going from 9B to 13G.
This is somewhat over 50hp, and I did not have the
VPC/550 injectors yet,
so had to limit boost to ~16-17psi or fuelcut came
in. In this configuration,
went best of 114.350 mph on 9/27/94, ~65hp
more (all stats are NO nitrous in this
letter,
except as noted).
--I
think 9B's can be good for about 410hp at wheels maxxed out with standard
stuff.
Once VPC/550 injectors in, 13G's went 12.000 and 119.381 best mph,
on 4/8/95;
about 500 hp at the wheels; overall, gained about 110 hp with 13G
over 9B, but
given other changes 13G likely ~100 hp better than 9B.
13G
best ET was 11.702 @ 118.061 on 6/6/96; this was
through traps in 3rd gear,
on the rev limiter. I was the first 3000GT in the
11's 5/17/95 with an
11.937@118.338.
--I think 13G can be good for about 510hp at wheels maxxed
out with standard stuff.
15G best MPH was 11.387 @ 125.76 11/28/96 at the
1st Annual
3000GT/Stealth vs. Diamond Star Shootout in Temple, TX with the
550 injectors;
about 575 hp at the wheels, so 15G make about 75 hp more than
13 G, but note
I made some other changes so 15G likely ~40-50hp better than
13G.
After that, 720cc injectors did not add any mph to trapspeed,
indeed
seemed to LOWER speed likely due to over-rich condition--
but lowered EGT a
tad (max 1850 F at Temple) which may or may not have been good
because knock
could at random times mean EGT high due to retard, or
due to a true lean
mix.
Best ET for me with 15G was 11.303 @ 122.54 at DSM Shootout 5/16/97,
which I won
class in :) full interior, as required by Dave Buschur...Adam
Weltz went ~11.25 "no
NOS".
--I think 15G can be good for about
580hp at wheels maxxed out with standard stuff.
My car made best 575 or so at
wheels no NOS, but that is not "maxxed"
because I always had stock
intercoolers, no headers, no
head/intake/throttlebody
porting/
ignition/standalone computer--with THOSE
parts, my "maxxed out" figures could be
somewhat
higher...
Best 3000GT/Stealth ET/MPH overall is still my 10.810 @ 128.44
with 15G's, 50hp NOS
on 6/3/97; I had the distinct honor of making this pass
lined up with the late Jeff
Curtis in his Stealth...
I'd not hesitate
to get 13G's if desired and price right. The 15G make more topend,
and
I think they are worth it. 17G and more exotic turbos have yet to put
better
numbers to the pavement. When they do, we'll see what other
mods/weight reductions
etc are on the cars doing it. 15G are still
unbeaten, both on motor and with NOS; are
capable of 125 mph quartermile /
575+ hp AT THE WHEELS no NOS in my car,
with only piggyback computer mods/no
porting/enginework beyond the boltons.
Pretty amazing, really.
Jack
Tertadian
Atomic Motorsports :)
[snips:]
> Matt
Jannusch wrote:
> > I'm trying to decide which turbos to get next
summer,
> > either 13G or 15G. I don't want to sacrifice
drivability/quick spoolup
> > as I autocross, and don't drag race
often
>
Errin Humphrey wrote:
> 94 Stealth TT with
15Gs. I noticed hardly any difference in spoolup.
> drove around
town fine, felt maybe little better than my car
> at low rpm maybe because
it had cat converter (mine
> doesn't). I am not expecting to
sacrifice any driveability when I upgrade to
> 15Gs. In my opinion,
upgrading to 13G is pointless, especially
> in light of Roger Gerl's
dyno charts which show that horsepower differences
> compared to 9B really
aren't that great.
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 26 00:10:58 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id AAA28731
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 00:10:58 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mailgw00.execpc.com (sendmail@mailgw00.execpc.com [169.207.1.78])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id AAA28724
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 00:10:54 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from pop00.execpc.com (pop00.execpc.com
[169.207.1.114])
by mailgw00.execpc.com (8.9.1) id CAA19751
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 02:10:54
-0500
Received: from execpc.com (minbar-1-74.mdm.mke.execpc.com
[169.207.135.74]) by pop00.execpc.com (8.8.8) id CAA16169 for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 02:10:53
-0500
Message-ID: <38155334.D2A1A1FA@execpc.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Oct
1999 02:07:33 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Reply-To:
xwing@execpc.com
Organization: Exec-PC
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95;
U)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Sirius 3000GT Mail List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Turbo question
(efficiency map)
References:
<001201be3200$e9f52ae0$1e139a8e@default>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
That map is the
T04E "60" trim Garrett compressor. It is
a huge compressor,
could support as much as 1000hp with
two of them. Good
luck.
nketo wrote:
> Hey guys,
> Here's an efficiency map
for the 368's from Brian.
> You have any info regarding the 15G's?
>
-Noble
>
> >"R.G." wrote:
> >> > There
is such thing as not being able to run enough boost/RPM to make
>
the
> >> turbo more efficient. This is apples to oragnes but it's
the same theory.
>
> >> I've already seen such maps and I
wonder if we can get it for our 9b /
> 13G compressor wheels. Anyone
?
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 26 07:48:54 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id HAA02616
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 07:48:54 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
exchange1.bigcharts.com (exchange1.BigCharts.com [206.146.143.5])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id HAA02609
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 07:48:51 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id
<VDH4W1V6>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:48:47 -0500
Message-ID:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F767B@EXCHANGE1>
From: Matt Jannusch
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE:
Team3S: adding turbos to an NA
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:48:47
-0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> I've got a shot at picking up a set of
stock
> turbos. Is it worthwhile looking into bolting
> them
onto a 3KGT base? The only major
> difference I can find between
the two engines
> is the compression ration 10:1/8:1....
As I
posted a couple days ago, there's a lot more involved than just bolting them
on. You need either an additional injector controller setup or a turbo
ECU, as well as exhaust manifolds, Y-pipe, BOV, (injectors?), possibly a MAF
from a turbo car, downpipe, turbo oilpan, oil feed/drain lines, coolant
feed/drain lines, etc. More work than it is worth, most likely. You
also end up with a high-horsepower FWD car which will torque steer like a
monster and chew through tires. Not that chewing through tires isn't
fun......
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Tue Oct 26 09:09:27 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
JAA03970
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:09:27 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from j-sux103.jci.com (j-sux103.jci.com
[192.132.24.98])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
JAA03963
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999
09:09:24 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from jsux04.corp.jci.com (mhub
[159.222.38.28])
by j-sux103.jci.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id
LAA11346
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999
11:10:58 -0500
Received: from jci.com (root@localhost)
by
jsux04.corp.jci.com (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA19608
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 16:09:33
GMT
Received: by jsux04.corp.jci.com ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 11:09:15
-0500
Content-Identifier: Re: Strut
Hop-Count: 1
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999
11:06 -0500
From: Jeff A Williamson
<Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Strut
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Message-ID:
<2223908@jsux04.corp.jci.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Rich,
I
can back up what Ken said. He did his right after I paid $1,300 to a local
tire store for OEM struts, installation, and alignment ($1,100 for parts
!!!).
I was more than a litle upset with myself when I found out what he
paid. Part
of my problem, though, was that I couldn't find anyone to install
struts that
weren't purchased through them, and I didn't want to attempt the
installation
myself. Had I known then....! As Ken said,
shop around. I've since done
business with Tallahassee Mitsubishi and have
been very pleased.
Welcome Rich,
>> Hello all, new to the
car and I'm hearing that one of my struts is
>> leaking, and I'm
worried about cost mainly. I have a 93 R/T TT, and
>> when I
quickly inquired to a friend from a tire store he recalled
>>
Cadillac's electronic struts running round $500? Same deal?
Ack!
>> Thanks in advance,
>The first thing you need to know
about this car is where you can get factory
>parts at discount
prices. There are several dealers whose names keep
popping
>up. They are Mitsu dealers, but most parts are identical on
the Stealth. Try
>the one closest to you and ask for the internet
3SI discount:
>Tallahassee Mitsubishi, FL: 888-825-5648,
http://www.worldparts.com/tallmits/
>Norco Mitsubishi, CA: (888) 689-1788,
http://www.norcomits.com/
>Rockland Mitsubishi, NY:
914-353-2100
>I purchased 4 ECS (electronically controlled) struts
earlier this year for
>about $540. I then installed them myself and
had an alignment done. If you
>are a do-it-yourselfer, let me know
and I'll send you the instructions.
>Otherwise, you should be able
to find a local shop to do the install and
>alignment for
$120-$200.
>Good luck,
>Ken
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Tue Oct 26 09:20:52 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
JAA04188
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:20:52 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from j-sux103.jci.com (j-sux103.jci.com
[192.132.24.98])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
JAA04177
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999
09:20:33 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from jsux04.corp.jci.com (mhub
[159.222.38.28])
by j-sux103.jci.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id
LAA55110
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999
11:21:12 -0500
Received: from jci.com (root@localhost)
by
jsux04.corp.jci.com (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA60804
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 16:19:46
GMT
Received: by jsux04.corp.jci.com ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 11:19:08
-0500
Content-Identifier: 1970's 3000GT (GTO) ?
Hop-Count: 1
Date: Tue,
26 Oct 1999 11:17 -0500
From: Jeff A Williamson
<Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.com>
Subject: Team3S: 1970's 3000GT (GTO)
?
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Message-ID:
<2224083@jsux04.corp.jci.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I have a
business associate who arrived from Japan to work in Michigan a few
weeks
ago. His english is not so good, and my Japanese consists of "hello",
"beer & saki", "goodbye", and "thank you",
so it is possible that we had a
misunderstanding in what I'm about to tell
you. After showing him pictures of
my '92 VR4, he told me that his first car
in Japan was a '70s model Mitsubishi
GTO (1974 I think he said). He said
this model had a 4 cyl carbureted non/turbo
engine and was actually the
predecessor to what we know as the 1st generation
3000GT, or GTO in Japan.
If this has been discussed on the list previously, I
appologize, but has
anyone else heard this before? Did I understand him
correctly?
Just curious.
Jeff Williamson
Belleville,
MI
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 26 09:42:12 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA04636
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:42:12 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
largo.eecs.tufts.edu (Largo-New.EECS.Tufts.EDU [130.64.24.99] (may be
forged))
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
JAA04629
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999
09:42:08 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from andante.eecs.tufts.edu (andante
[130.64.24.24])
by largo.eecs.tufts.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id
MAA01100;
Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:41:52 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from localhost
(mbaldwin@localhost)
by andante.eecs.tufts.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id
MAA02312;
Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:41:43 -0400 (EDT)
X-Authentication-Warning:
andante.eecs.tufts.edu: mbaldwin owned process doing -bs
Date: Tue, 26 Oct
1999 12:41:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mike Baldwin
<mbaldwin@eecs.tufts.edu>
X-Sender: mbaldwin@andante
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
cc: gil@warpedweb.com
Subject: Team3S:
Wintertime and turbos (and tires - group purchase?)
In-Reply-To:
<199910202106.OAA12790@list.sirius.com>
Message-ID:
<Pine.GSO.4.05.9910261239240.1881-100000@andante>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
What is the
negative affect of the cold on turbos? I thought turbos LIKED
the cold
weather. Am I wrong?
I also live in NE and ened to get some idea of what
sort of tires I can
buy for my car. I'm thinking Blizzaks (I don't think my
current Falkens
are even all seasons!) but was wondering what tire size I can
get - do I
need 18"ers? I want a decent looking set of rims and wheels,
but 17" will
do me fine if the price is right. If someone can recommend
a package or
wants to do a group purchase, let me know!
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 26 12:24:21 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id MAA07918
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:24:21 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mx01-ext.netapp.com (mx01-ext.netapp.com [198.95.224.34])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id MAA07905
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:23:58 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (qmail 9005 invoked from network); 26 Oct 1999 19:43:34
-0000
Received: from herra.netapp.com (HELO herra.corp.netapp.com)
(198.95.224.184)
by mx01-ext.netapp.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 1999
19:43:34 -0000
Received: from tahoe.corp.netapp.com (tahoe.corp.netapp.com
[10.10.10.112])
by herra.corp.netapp.com (8.8.7/8.8.7/GNAC-GW-2.1)
with ESMTP id MAA15158;
Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:23:24 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by tahoe.corp.netapp.com with Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
id <VL5GYK4B>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:21:56
-0700
Message-ID:
<242EA98B2B7DD311985A0090277AED510F0BBB@CLEARCREEK.corp.netapp.com>
From:
"Mohler, Jeff" <jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
To:
"'Dave'" <monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>,
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: K&N - best
price?
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:24:59 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Personally, Ive
seen tests where the Apexi filters the best, followed be K&N,
with the
rest falling far behind, and the green mushroom HKaSS filter
filtering
practically nothing in the fine particulate
tests.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave
[mailto:monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU]
Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 11:38
PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: K&N - best
price?
I figured I'd try to redeem myself by asking a (slightly)
more relevant
question.. I want to get a FIPK/Aircharger/whatever
tomorrow, (or at
least order one) and wondering if anyone has found any
smokin' deals..
I found one ad in Sport Compact Car that listed a special
on the Aircharger
for a 2nd gen Eclipse for $79. (I'm aware of the filter
size and L-bracket
issues.) Do any of you know of any other
deals? Is the consensus still
that that K&N works best or at least
as good as others?
thanks!
Dave
95 Black VR4
87 Mica Red GTI
G60
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Tue Oct 26 12:38:32 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
MAA08323
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:38:32 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail.iconz.co.nz (oldmail.iconz.co.nz
[202.14.100.36])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
MAA08316
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999
12:38:27 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [192.173.20.11] (mail.hnz.co.nz
[192.173.20.11])
by mail.iconz.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id
IAA293140940966728
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 27 Oct
1999 08:38:48 +1300 (NZDT)
Received: from hiscorpxy01.hnz.co.nz by
[192.173.20.11]
via
smtpd (for mail.iconz.co.nz [210.48.22.36]) with SMTP; 26 Oct 1999 19:34:03
UT
Received: FROM hufin0.hnz.co.nz BY hiscorpxy01.hnz.co.nz ; Wed Oct 27
08:36:31 1999 +1300
Received: from HISCOREXH01.hnz.co.nz
(hiscorcl101.hnz.co.nz [10.24.5.33]) by hufin0.hnz.co.nz with ESMTP (8.8.6
(PHNE_14041)/8.7.1) id IAA08460 for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed,
27 Oct 1999 08:38:20 +1300 (NZDT)
Received: by hiscorexh01.hnz.co.nz with
Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id <VQ1NWVP3>; Wed, 27 Oct 1999
08:37:42 +1300
Message-ID:
<EEC2CC632763D3118D39080009DCD4D30599E6@hiscorexh01.hnz.co.nz>
From:
Kevin Clark <Kevin.Clark@hnz.co.nz>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: 1970's 3000GT (GTO)
?
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 08:37:41 +1300
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer:
Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> He told me
that his first car in Japan was a '70s model
> Mitsubishi GTO (1974 I
think he said). He said this model
> had a 4 cyl carbureted non/turbo
engine and was actually
> the predecessor to what we know as the 1st
generation
> 3000GT, or GTO in Japan.
My first car was a Mitsi
1969 Colt (the only car I have
ever owned that was older than I!).
However in 1970 they
released a model called the Colt Galant
GTO.
See:
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/docs6/history/html/frame_d1.htm
All
this talk of history makes me feel like I am a little
biased...
1st
car 1969 Mitsi Colt
2nd
car 1977 Mitsi Lancer
3rd
car 1989 Mitsi Galant GLX
4th
car 1987 Mitsi Galant VR4
5th
car 1991 Mitsi GTO VR4
Cheers,
Kevin.
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 26 13:30:48 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id NAA09384
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:30:48 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
exchange1.bigcharts.com (exchange1.BigCharts.com [206.146.143.5])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id NAA09377
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:30:45 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id
<VDH4WHV1>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:30:42 -0500
Message-ID:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7680@EXCHANGE1>
From: Matt Jannusch
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject:
Team3S: GTO/cars/Starion VR4?
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:30:42
-0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> All this
talk of history makes me feel like I am a little
>
biased...
> 1st car 1969 Mitsi
Colt
> 2nd car 1977 Mitsi
Lancer
> 3rd car 1989 Mitsi Galant
GLX
> 4th car 1987 Mitsi Galant
VR4
> 5th car 1991 Mitsi GTO
VR4
Hmm, I think I have you beat Kevin...
1985 Mitsubishi Starion
ESI-R
1990 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-DOHC
1991 Mitsubishi Eclipse
GS-Turbo
1988 Mitsubishi Mighty Max
1994 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4
1993
Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
1995 Mitsubishi 3000GT Spyder
VR4
;-)
Speaking of Starions, has anyone ever seen/heard-of/tried
to put a VR4 motor in a Starion to make a RWD VR4 motor car? Any idea of
whether or not the Starion tranny would bolt to the 3.0l twin-turbo, assuming I
can actually get everything to fit under the hood (or even without the
hood)? I am contemplating making a drag racer out of a Starion and
whatever VR4 remains I can find. The DSM guys are building them with DSM
motors and getting in the 10's, I'm thinking a fully built VR4 motor could put
one in the 9's easy, hopefully without the wimpy Getrag trannys getting in the
way...
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
'88 Starion VR4????
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 26 13:39:35 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id NAA09545
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:39:35 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
out4.prserv.net (out4.prserv.net [165.87.194.239])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id NAA09538
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:39:27 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from attglobal.net (slip139-92-8-22.fr.de.prserv.net
[139.92.8.22])
by out4.prserv.net (/) with ESMTP id UAA69202;
Tue, 26 Oct
1999 20:39:16 GMT
Message-ID:
<38160F57.B818E18F@attglobal.net>
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 22:30:15
+0200
From: Mike Chapleski <mike.chapleski@attglobal.net>
Reply-To:
mike.chapleski@attglobal.net
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98;
U)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Trevor James
<Trevor@kscable.com>, Team3S
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: EGT Probe
Mounting
References: <3814D63B.9612A244@ibm.net>
<3814E70B.D9189022@kscable.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Trevor, I
mounted mine about three inches before the turbo in the front manifold.
The
exhaust from all three cylinders has already merged into one pipe by this
point. I did not
weld the fitting on. It was a pipe thread so I
just tapped the exhaust manifold. I did
remove the exhaust manifold to
do this, but you can do it on the car. If I understand your
sig.
correctly, you will already have the turbos off.
Under
load my EGT's vary between 850-950 deg Celsius. I know this is high, but I
am not
really pushing the engine. I think the gauge and/or probe may be
off, but there is no way
of testing it. I have an APEXi.
Mike
C.
0018
'95 Stealth RT TT
Trevor James wrote:
> Which
cylinder is the easiest one to weld an EGT fitting onto. Instructions for
my
> Autometer gauge say 4" from the head. I'm sure when I pull the
front heat shield off it
> will be obvious but I thought maybe you guys
have some insight....
>
> Also I should keep max EGT's under 1580F,
right?
>
> Trevor
> 96 R/T TT-Doing 15G's, 550's, VPC, Fuel
Pump, Downpipe, Pre-Cat gutting, Greddy BOV, EGT
> & A/F Ratio Gauges
starting tomorrow.....
> Already has a HKS EVC IV, Borla,
Plugs@.034", Accel Wires, & K&N FIPK.
> 92 GMC
Typhoon
>
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Tue Oct 26 13:45:51 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
NAA09974
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:45:51 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from matrix.webzone.net (matrix.webzone.net
[205.219.23.25])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id
NAA09959
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999
13:45:46 -0700 (PDT)
Received: (qmail 8146 invoked from network); 26 Oct 1999
15:45:40 -0500
Received: from benson (pm3-33.ppp145.webzone.net
[208.165.100.145])
by
matrix.webzone.net with SMTP; 26 Oct 1999 15:45:40 -0500
Message-ID:
<00c701bf1fed$7d814fc0$10c9c9c9@benson>
From: "Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell" <benson@2015.com>
To: "3000GT
Mailing" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S:
GTO/cars/Starion VR4?
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:05:44 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Sheese, I take it the Starion is a rather small car? Sounds
like what yer
trying to do is very similar to the Monster Miata that people
make.
Basically taking a rustang 5.0 engine and sticking it into a
Miata. Talk
about a zippy little car :). Wonder what would happen
if you could stick a
full VR-4 TT setup into a Miata? ;)p
Here's
another question for ya'll. Which would be the better year to get
a
VR-4 from, a '95 or a '96? Why? Because these are the years
with the body
styling I like the most :).
Latufh fuh
U,
Benson
benson@2015.com
"-Do you ever have second
thoughts?
-When do I ever have first thoughts?"
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 26 13:54:07 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id NAA10202
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:54:07 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
matrix.webzone.net (matrix.webzone.net [205.219.23.25])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id NAA10187
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:54:02 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (qmail 8721 invoked from network); 26 Oct 1999 15:53:58
-0500
Received: from benson (pm3-33.ppp145.webzone.net
[208.165.100.145])
by
matrix.webzone.net with SMTP; 26 Oct 1999 15:53:58 -0500
Message-ID:
<00da01bf1fee$a5e21d40$10c9c9c9@benson>
From: "Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell" <benson@2015.com>
To: "3000GT
Mailing" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: ooops,
sorry, didn't clarify :(
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:14:02
-0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
I just realized I should've been more specific in my question about
which is
better, a '95 or a '96. Speaking from a technical stand point
where
upgradability is concerned? There's a good possibility that I'll
be able to
trade up to a VR-4 in about 5 months, and being the power greedy
bastard
that I am, I want to upgrade it as much as is possible ;). So
if there are
limitations between the years (like say one year has a better
transmission
than a different year for example?) I want to take that into
consideration.
Also if someone thinks that an entirely different year would
be best I'm
definately interested in knowing :).
Thanks, and sorry for
the double post.
Latufh fuh
U,
Benson
benson@2015.com
"-Do you ever have second
thoughts?
-When do I ever have first thoughts?"
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 26 14:40:49 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id OAA11045
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 14:40:49 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id OAA11024
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 14:40:39 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from rg (194.230.238.247) by newmail.spectraweb.ch; 26 Oct
1999 23:36:54 +0200
Message-ID:
<00b001bf1ffa$80029080$f7eee6c2@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F767B@EXCHANGE1>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
adding turbos to an NA
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 22:57:29 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> As I posted a couple days ago, there's a lot more involved than
just
bolting them on. You need either an additional injector controller
setup or
a turbo ECU, as well as exhaust manifolds, Y-pipe, BOV,
(injectors?),
possibly a MAF from a turbo car, downpipe, turbo oilpan, oil
feed/drain
lines, coolant feed/drain lines, etc. More work than it is
worth, most
likely. You also end up with a high-horsepower FWD car
which will torque
steer like a monster and chew through tires. Not that
chewing through tires
isn't fun......
>
Matt is mostly right but a
turbo is not the biggest problem as you can use
an aircharger that dosn't
need any coolant or oil lines. The size of the
housing is bigger but not a
problem. The Turbo should be chosen for enough
airflow but only about 8 psi
of boost. Such a device is available for the
NSX and would work on the 3000GT
too.
But how the heck would you make the connection from the heads to the
turbo ?
This is very difficult and you must design a long piping that will
get hot.
This is bad and will not be very successfully in the
end.
BTW, you can do this but it'll cost you around $8000 and then the
tranny
will become the problem as well as the clutch or
automatic.
Simply said ... not worth, money time and hassle
!
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Tue Oct 26 14:40:51 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
OAA11048
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 14:40:51 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch
[194.158.230.44])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
OAA11029
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999
14:40:44 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from rg (194.230.238.247) by
newmail.spectraweb.ch; 26 Oct 1999 23:36:55 +0200
Message-ID:
<00b101bf1ffa$80b20a60$f7eee6c2@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "3/S Sirius Mailing List"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<01a901bf1cce$c63b9ee0$c6e2e6c2@rg> <38111C46.4AE6A9B0@mediaone.net>
<002b01bf1d38$31c177c0$c3ede6c2@rg>
<38152215.AB533F32@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Knock, knock
....
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:14:04 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> 1) Tuning with stock O2 sensor readings is no good
because they are
> not very accurate unless you are at partial
throttle. This is why our
cars
> ignore O2 sensor readings at
full throttle.
The ECUs are in open loop at WOT and therefore disregard
the O2 sensors.
This is not because the sensors are expensive :-) At WOT a
secific table is
taken for fuel and ignition without adjustments.
>
2) An A/F meter gives you a good approximation of where you are,
>
but it is not a very accurate thing to tune with. It is basically
making
a
> rough guess of what the actual ratio is.
Well,
compared to the knock and timing on the datalog the voltage on the O2
sensor
at WOT tells me where I am. At 0.88 V there is knock that lowers
woith 0.9V
and mostly dissapears at 0.94 Volts. I htink this is pretty
accurate. Of
course, a ten LED meter is not able to do this.
> 3) EGT
readings are too coarse to tune with. They are a useful
> indicator
of the limits within which you should be running.
Yes,
exactly.
> 4) According to this friend of mine, the best
indicator with which you
> should tune is a wide-band O2 sensor.
On
the dyno, we always have an A/F sneeker in the exhaust.
> So anyway, I
thought you (and other people on the list) might want to
> look into
this. Or if somebody on the list has used one they can pass
> along
their experiences.
The A/F ratio meter, the sneeker and the logger are
showing the correct
values within a small tolerance. The A/F meter is a good
indicator for
running less rich with voltage under 0.9V and the 0.9V and 1.V
lamp lighting
up, this means 0.95V and is a little too rich. I thin kthis is
not a bad
indicator, although it will never ever reach the capabilities of
a
datalogger. The EGT meter is a good control for retarded timing and
lean
situations too. Both are more warning instruments than tuning tools for
sure
but not everyone can use a high cost A/F meter as well as not everyone
has a
datalogger. That's why we have to use what we can
get.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Tue Oct 26 14:40:54 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
OAA11054
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 14:40:54 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch
[194.158.230.44])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
OAA11032
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999
14:40:46 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from rg (194.230.238.247) by
newmail.spectraweb.ch; 26 Oct 1999 23:36:57 +0200
Message-ID:
<00b401bf1ffa$81849ca0$f7eee6c2@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "Team3S List"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<001201be3200$e9f52ae0$1e139a8e@default>
<381500F0.DBFA7335@kscable.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Turbo questions
for all (efficiency map)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:21:40
+0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Not a problem as this is a standard efficiency map for turbo
chargers ;-)
The left is the pressure ratio. For example : 15psi of boost, pr
is
(14.7+15)/14.7 = 2.03
Now you can calculate the engines need of air at
any rpm with 15 psi of
boost and you may find a result of 40 lbs/min. Now
draw the pr line to the
right and the flow to the top. The lines will cross
each other at 72%
efficiency on the T4 islands. You can also add the rpm
lines to the drawing
with calculating the air flow with the raising boost.
The pics shown on the
Cyclone page are good examples. That way you'll finally
choose the right
turbo for your application.
Roger
93'3000GT
TT
> Is that pressure ratio on the left inlet vs. outlet pressure?
Man that
chart's
> confusing!
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Tue Oct 26 14:41:02 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
OAA11092
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 14:41:02 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch
[194.158.230.44])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
OAA11037
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999
14:40:47 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from rg (194.230.238.247) by
newmail.spectraweb.ch; 26 Oct 1999 23:37:00 +0200
Message-ID:
<00b901bf1ffa$83bdc3c0$f7eee6c2@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "team3s"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<3814D63B.9612A244@ibm.net>
<3814E70B.D9189022@kscable.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: EGT Probe
Mounting
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:37:42 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> Which cylinder is the easiest one to weld an EGT fitting
onto.
Instructions for my
> Autometer gauge say 4" from the head.
I'm sure when I pull the front heat
shield off it
> will be obvious but
I thought maybe you guys have some insight....
The front one just before
the turbo flange is a good position. Do not just
tap into one tube as this
will reduce the airflow of this specific one. As
the turbo causes
backpressure the EGT reading will be pretty good on any
place in the
manifold.
> Also I should keep max EGT's under 1580F,
right?
This is always a debate but I think readings above 1580 are piston
melting
temperatures. But the temp in the exhaust may be higher due to the
pressure
before the turbo and tI'd say that the EGT should not exceed 1650.
But I do
not have any experience with reading on mine yet, so others may give
you
better input.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 26 14:41:04 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id OAA11099
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 14:41:04 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id OAA11036
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 14:40:47 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from rg (194.230.238.247) by newmail.spectraweb.ch; 26 Oct
1999 23:36:58 +0200
Message-ID:
<00b701bf1ffa$822c7560$f7eee6c2@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "'3s'"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<242EA98B2B7DD311985A0090277AED510F0BB4@CLEARCREEK.corp.netapp.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Water Injection
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:28:31
+0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
8bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> Im familiar with the process, but what kit(s) are people using,
and
specifically
> at what costs, install hassles, and what have the
repsective
'butt-o-meter'
> guages felt about this mod?
I'm
using the ERL System 2 with 3D water mapping. No installation hassle as
only
a place for the pump and an ordinary water tank should be found. The
later
can be any size, material and design. I used the front mount water
tank the
EU cars have. Cost was around $900 with the additional
water-controller and
the MAP sensor that allows me to create a 3D map for
the water injected.
Water did not increased horespower but on the streets
I'm now able to run
1.18 kg/cm2 with the same low amount of knock like at
1.0 kg/cm2. On the
dyno, the water got heated up and one jet broke due to my
stupid
installation. I've choosen two jets as this is possible with this
system. One
is used for additional intercooling and the other controls
detonation. The
first was only screwed in into the front metal IC pipe and
the threat was not
withstanding the higher boost. Therfore I do not have
real dyno figures. On
the street the WI lowerd the intake temperature from
144°F to 112°F
and I think this speaks for itselfs.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 26 16:11:08 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id QAA12344
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 16:11:08 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail1.sirius.com (mail1.sirius.com [205.134.253.131])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id QAA12337
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 16:10:41 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from forrest (ppp-sfx202--140.sirius.net [205.134.229.150]
(may be forged))
by mail1.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id
QAA99028;
Tue, 26 Oct 1999 16:10:28 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
<010201bf2007$3385cd50$96e586cd@forrest.sirius.com>
From: "Bob
Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
To: "Jeff A Williamson"
<Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.com>,
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 1970's 3000GT
(GTO) ?
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 16:07:54 -0700
X-Priority:
3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express
4.72.3612.1700
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3612.1700
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
-----Original Message-----From: Jeff A
Williamson
<Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.com>
>I have a business
associate who arrived from Japan to work in
Michigan a few
>weeks ago.
His english is not so good, and my Japanese consists
of
"hello",
>"beer & saki",
"goodbye", and "thank you", so it is possible that
we had
a
>misunderstanding in what I'm about to tell you. After showing
him
pictures of
>my '92 VR4, he told me that his first car in Japan was
a '70s model
Mitsubishi
>GTO (1974 I think he said). He said this model
had a 4 cyl
carbureted non/turbo
>engine and was actually the
predecessor to what we know as the 1st
generation
>3000GT, or GTO in
Japan. If this has been discussed on the list
previously,
I
>appologize, but has anyone else heard this before? Did
I
understand him
>correctly?
'Yes', and 'probably', but he's
wrong. That's like saying the 1950
Ford was the predecessor to the '55
Thunderbird, or that Chevy's
PowerGlide transmissions were the predecessors
to Corvette's
PosiTraction. The boxy offerings from Mitsubishi in the
70's,
(Lancer, etc) have nothing in common with the VR-4s other than
fine
performance, priced too high and marketed poorly. They
weren't
upgraded Starions or Magnas or Diamantes or Veradas or
Lancers...,
or any of the other suggestions made on lists or in print.
The
Stealth/3000GT were designed from the ground up, according to
both
Chrysler and Mitsubishi. In the early 80's, Chrysler couldn't
build
a car that didn't break, and Mitsubishi couldn't design a car
that
didn't look like a box, so their partnership in 1988 was a
perfect
union for this project that became the Stealth and the
3000GT...
Mitsubishi's myriad innovations were well known, so a number
of
their superior technologies were upgraded to make this
mechanical
marvel of a vehicle-- their engine and turbos, their work
with
sound attenuation, steering control, brakes were the best
available.
But the body came from Chrysler's Hyland Park design think
tank
in California in the early and mid 80's, and was a concept car
originally
known as the Intrepid, which looked like a Stealth/3000GT
from the front and
the NSX from the back, and was a mid-engine
4-banger until Mitsu took over
the actual building of the car. The
scoops on the sides were originally
functional, used to cool the
mid-engine. Mitsu adopted the nose design
almost exactly, but at
the last minute, Dodge went for the trademark
"gunsight" grille it
uses in all its products, including all
Stealths. Mitsu showed the
HSX, (which became the GTO) in 1989;
Chrysler showed the Intrepid 2
or 3 years earlier-- same car, only the HSX
had a spoiler and
mirrors like we know them. These cars were
"Designed by Chrysler,
Built by Mitsubishi", like it or
not...
The terms GT and GTO stand for "Grand Touring" Car, from
the
Italian, "Gran TourismO". This was a phrase made popular
in the
30's and 40's by Ferrari and other Italian manufacturers,
and
championed by British Leyland, Jaguar, etc, to mean 'larger and
more
comfortable' than traditionally tiny two-seater sports cars.
A
sporty performance car that one could travel in comfortably, as
it
were... Pontiac copyrighted the phrase in the late 50's, and
used
it on their popular line of cars in the 60's, so Mitsubishi
was
prevented from using GTO in the States, hence the 3000GT name,
rather
than the GTO name used in Japan.
I have the photo of the HSX for anyone
who's interested, but have to
get permission to share the Intrepid photo,
since it's a personal
photo that's not mine. And keep any arguments,
flames, etc.,
private
please...
Best,
Forrest
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 26 16:28:13 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id QAA12587
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 16:28:13 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mw3.texas.net (mw3.texas.net [206.127.30.13])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id QAA12580
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 16:28:08 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from pii300 (tcnet06-024.sat.texas.net
[209.99.119.87])
by
mw3.texas.net (2.4/2.4) with SMTP
id SAA09510; Tue, 26 Oct 1999
18:24:37 -0500 (CDT)
Message-ID:
<003d01bf200a$d22ba260$02007fce@pii300>
From: "Doug Garrott"
<dgarrott@texas.net>
To: "Benson \"elmagoo\"
Russell"
<benson@2015.com>,
"3000GT Mailing" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<00c701bf1fed$7d814fc0$10c9c9c9@benson>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
GTO/cars/Starion VR4?
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 18:19:20 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2014.211
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
I'm also partial to the styling of the '94 & '95. One
difference I've
encountered is that the '94 has glass headlight modules that
tend to show
condensation in the sealed units. My '94 base 3K had this
and the local
dealer only wanted $480 apiece to replace them - I lived with
it. I hear
that the '95 on have cured that problem.
Doug
G
'93 VR4
----- Original Message -----
From: Benson "elmagoo"
Russell <benson@2015.com>
To: 3000GT Mailing
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 1999 3:05
PM
Subject: Team3S: GTO/cars/Starion VR4?
> Sheese, I take it
the Starion is a rather small car? Sounds like what yer
> trying to
do is very similar to the Monster Miata that people make.
> Basically
taking a rustang 5.0 engine and sticking it into a Miata. Talk
>
about a zippy little car :). Wonder what would happen if you could
stick
a
> full VR-4 TT setup into a Miata? ;)p
>
> Here's
another question for ya'll. Which would be the better year to
get
a
> VR-4 from, a '95 or a '96? Why? Because these are
the years with the
body
> styling I like the most
:).
>
>
> Latufh fuh U,
> Benson
>
benson@2015.com
>
> "-Do you ever have second thoughts?
>
-When do I ever have first thoughts?"
>
> For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 26 16:34:39 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id QAA12700
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 16:34:39 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
exchange1.bigcharts.com (exchange1.BigCharts.com [206.146.143.5])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id QAA12693
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 16:34:35 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id
<VDH4W296>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 18:34:30 -0500
Message-ID:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7684@EXCHANGE1>
From: Matt Jannusch
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To: 3000GT Mailing
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: GTO/cars/Starion
VR4?
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 18:34:30 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer:
Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> Sheese, I
take it the Starion is a rather small car? Sounds
> like what
yer
> trying to do is very similar to the Monster Miata that people
make.
> Basically taking a rustang 5.0 engine and sticking it into a
> Miata. Talk
> about a zippy little car :). Wonder
what would happen if you
> could stick a full VR-4 TT setup into a Miata?
;)p
I think if you put the VR4 motor in a Miata it would tear it to
pieces from all the midrange torque.
The Starion is the same thing as a
Dodge Conquest, similar to the Daytona and Shadow in most respects. A
somewhat angled-looking RWD turbo car with decent performance characteristics,
other than a rather anemic motor that doesn't respond particularly well to
upgrades. The motor was originally a truck motor with a turbo bolted
on. Swapping out the motor would probably leave a pretty sweet little drag
racing car.
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Tue Oct 26 17:03:53 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
RAA13018
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 17:03:53 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mxout1.cac.washington.edu (mxout1.cac.washington.edu
[140.142.32.5])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
RAA13011
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999
17:03:49 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mailhost2.u.washington.edu
(mailhost2.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.2])
by mxout1.cac.washington.edu
(8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id RAA12529;
Tue, 26 Oct 1999
17:03:47 -0700
Received: from u.washington.edu
(cs313-1.spmodem.washington.edu [140.142.175.2])
by
mailhost2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id
RAA23098;
Tue, 26 Oct 1999 17:03:36 -0700
Message-ID:
<381640FD.4C55F31D@u.washington.edu>
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 17:02:05
-0700
From: Errin Humphrey <errin@u.washington.edu>
Organization:
University of Washington
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en,ja
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: xwing@execpc.com, 3/S
Sirius Mailing List <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: 9B, 13G, 15G relative performances
References:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7669@EXCHANGE1>
<38151F54.41A2564C@u.washington.edu>
<38154BA1.AEF94250@execpc.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
xwing
wrote:
> Once VPC/550 injectors in, 13G's went 12.000 and
119.381 best mph, on 4/8/95;
> about 500 hp at the wheels; overall, gained
about 110 hp with 13G over 9B, but
> given other changes 13G likely ~100
hp better than 9B.
>
> Errin Humphrey wrote:
>
> >
doesn't). I am not expecting to sacrifice any driveability when I upgrade
to
> > 15Gs. In my opinion, upgrading to 13G is pointless,
especially
> > in light of Roger Gerl's dyno charts which show that
horsepower differences
> > compared to 9B really aren't that
great.
Jack,
Thanks for the very informative post. It easily
shoots down my
hasty statements, and it also gives a good overview of the
real-world
power differences between these turbo setups. I hope you
will
soon be able to add 17G numbers to the list. Also, do you
think
you could comment on the differences in normal driveability
when
going from 9B to 13G to 15G? That's what I was trying to
comment
on in the first place.
I come back to Roger Gerl's dyno runs
which show his Euro-spec
(13G) VR4 having a slightly better torque curve but
~lower~
overall horsepower compared to two US-spec (9B) TT's dyno'd
on the
same day. This obviously conflicts with your tremendous
increases in
trap speeds with the 13G upgrades on your car.
What could explain
this? I've always offered the explanation which
I mentioned when Roger
concluded from these dyno runs that exhaust
mods do not increase horsepower
(on stock turbos): I think it might
have something to do with
inadequate airflow (especially to the inter-
coolers) on the dyno.
We've all been here before, so I'll just leave it
at that.
:)
>15G are still unbeaten, both on motor and with NOS; are capable
of
>125 mph quartermile / 575+ hp AT THE WHEELS no NOS in my
car,
>with only piggyback computer mods/no porting/enginework beyond
the
>boltons. Pretty amazing, really.
Amazing is an
understatement.
--Errin Humphrey
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Tue Oct 26 19:28:13 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
TAA14618
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 19:28:13 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail1.tor.accglobal.net (mail1.tor.accglobal.net
[204.92.55.105])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
TAA14602
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999
19:27:19 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from ppp-193.m2-13.tor.ican.net
([142.154.18.193] helo=default)
by mail1.tor.accglobal.net with smtp (Exim
2.11 #1)
id 11gInn-0003a8-01; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 22:27:03 -0400
Message-ID:
<000201bf20c4$8ee7d4a0$c1129a8e@default>
From: "nketo"
<nketo@accglobal.net>
To: "Benson \"elmagoo\"
Russell"
<benson@2015.com>,
"3000GT Mailing" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: GTO/cars/Starion VR4?
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:42:23
-0700
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3110.3
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Benson,
The 3000 engine would destroy the 5.0 for sure!
:)
In regards to the '95 or '96, I would select the one that had the
least
number of
miles period.
Best of
luck!
Noble
-----Original Message-----
From: Benson
"elmagoo" Russell <benson@2015.com>
To: 3000GT Mailing
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 26, 1999 1:48
PM
Subject: Team3S: GTO/cars/Starion VR4?
>Sheese, I take it
the Starion is a rather small car? Sounds like what yer
>trying to
do is very similar to the Monster Miata that people make.
>Basically
taking a rustang 5.0 engine and sticking it into a Miata.
Talk
>about a zippy little car :). Wonder what would happen if you
could stick a
>full VR-4 TT setup into a Miata? ;)p
>
>Here's
another question for ya'll. Which would be the better year to get
a
>VR-4 from, a '95 or a '96? Why? Because these are the years
with the body
>styling I like the most :).
>
>
>Latufh
fuh U,
>Benson
>benson@2015.com
>
>"-Do you ever
have second thoughts?
>-When do I ever have first
thoughts?"
>
>For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 26 19:30:26 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id TAA14668
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 19:30:26 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id TAA14660
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 19:30:09 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from c647138A ([24.8.18.59]) by
news.rdc1.tx.home.com
(InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with
SMTP
id
<19991027022940.ACP318.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@c647138A>
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Tue, 26 Oct 1999 19:29:40 -0700
Message-ID:
<006101bf2023$621ee7c0$3b120818@whtrdg1.co.home.com>
From: "Ian
Calegory" <iancalegory@home.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Whine in new '94
VR-4
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 20:31:32 -0600
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Hi, I just purchased a '95 3000GT VR-4 and have a couple of
questions about
it. I think overall the car is in pretty good shape,
especially the body
and paint, but there are a couple of concerns I have
about it.
First of all is that when I am in 2nd or 3rd gear at high
torque (around
4,000 - 5,000 rpm) I hear something that makes a loud whining
noise that
lasts for less than a second. I've gathered that these
Getrag transmissions
go out frequently, so is it possible that that's what it
is, and that it
needs to be rebuilt?
Also, I hear some clacking noises
in the engine that I think might be one
more more noisy lifters. Is it
likely noisy lifters? What does it take to
fix that? I didn't
notice the sound before I bought the car, but the oil
was pretty dirty, and I
know it's possible to temporarily quiet lifters by
putting some gunk in the
oil. I had a compression test done on the engine
before I bought it,
and the guy told me the compression was 120 psi.
However, I found out later
that he only checked some of the cylinders--if
there is a noisy lifter
problem, would this have shown up on a full
compression test as a low psi
reading on one of the cylinders?
The car had a little less than 65,000
miles on it, and I did enough research
(called the warranty dept. at a
Mitsubishi dealer, found out the two dealers
that worked on the car, and
called them up to check the service records--the
service guy told me I
couldn't go wrong with the car) on it to be fairly
certain that the 60,000
mile service (new timing belt, water pump,
tensioner, etc.) hasn't been done
on the car. When I get this done (at a
Mitsubishi dealer, most likely)
will they have the engine apart enough to
where it wouldn't take much more
tearing down to get to where they can fix
the lifter problem, so maybe they
wouldn't charge me as much?
Sorry if these questions sound very
"newbie", but hey this is my first
3000GT. I do think it is
an awesome car!
Ian
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt
Tue Oct 26 19:34:40 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id TAA14719
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 19:34:40 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
matrix.webzone.net (matrix.webzone.net [205.219.23.25])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id TAA14708
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 19:34:06 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (qmail 2479 invoked from network); 26 Oct 1999 21:33:59
-0500
Received: from benson (pm3-33.ppp145.webzone.net
[208.165.100.145])
by
matrix.webzone.net with SMTP; 26 Oct 1999 21:33:59 -0500
Message-ID:
<013c01bf201e$25a5e500$10c9c9c9@benson>
From: "Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell" <benson@2015.com>
To: "3000GT
Mailing" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Spotting ODB?
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 20:54:03 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
One question that came up while asking about the different years of
VR-4s,
was that late model '95's and all '96's are ODBII (making them harder
to
upgrade?). I'm not sure of the specifics to what ODB stands for (if
anyone
wouldn't mind privately emailing me like a quick run-down of the ODB
specs
that'd be appreciated, or a link to a site with more info on it.
Always
looking to know more :). I do know that it means there's more
exhaust
restrictions on the car due to emissions laws (just don't know what
:). The
question I have is that how to tell if your car is ODBI or
ODBII? I
currently own a base '95 model, I'd like to see what it is
just out of
curiosity, and how to spot it in the future.
thanks again
for the help, definately much appreciated :).
Latufh fuh
U,
Benson
benson@2015.com
"-Do you ever have second
thoughts?
-When do I ever have first thoughts?"
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 26 19:54:50 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id TAA15076
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 19:54:50 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id TAA15068
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 19:54:45 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from c647138A ([24.8.18.59]) by
news.rdc1.tx.home.com
(InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with
SMTP
id
<19991027025434.LBU318.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@c647138A>
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Tue, 26 Oct 1999 19:54:34 -0700
Message-ID:
<009b01bf2026$dc570600$3b120818@whtrdg1.co.home.com>
From: "Ian
Calegory" <iancalegory@home.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<006101bf2023$621ee7c0$3b120818@whtrdg1.co.home.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Whine in new '94 VR-4
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 20:56:26
-0600
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
To clarify, my car is a '95, even though I said '94 in the subject
line.
Ian
----- Original Message -----
From: Ian Calegory
<iancalegory@home.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 1999 8:31
PM
Subject: Team3S: Whine in new '94 VR-4
> Hi, I just
purchased a '95 3000GT VR-4 and have a couple of questions
about
>
it. I think overall the car is in pretty good shape, especially the
body
> and paint, but there are a couple of concerns I have about
it.
>
> First of all is that when I am in 2nd or 3rd gear at high
torque (around
> 4,000 - 5,000 rpm) I hear something that makes a loud
whining noise that
> lasts for less than a second. I've gathered
that these Getrag
transmissions
> go out frequently, so is it possible
that that's what it is, and that it
> needs to be rebuilt?
>
>
Also, I hear some clacking noises in the engine that I think might be
one
> more more noisy lifters. Is it likely noisy lifters?
What does it take
to
> fix that? I didn't notice the sound before
I bought the car, but the oil
> was pretty dirty, and I know it's possible
to temporarily quiet lifters by
> putting some gunk in the oil. I
had a compression test done on the engine
> before I bought it, and the
guy told me the compression was 120 psi.
> However, I found out later that
he only checked some of the cylinders--if
> there is a noisy lifter
problem, would this have shown up on a full
> compression test as a low
psi reading on one of the cylinders?
>
> The car had a little less
than 65,000 miles on it, and I did enough
research
> (called the
warranty dept. at a Mitsubishi dealer, found out the two
dealers
> that
worked on the car, and called them up to check the
service
records--the
> service guy told me I couldn't go wrong with the
car) on it to be fairly
> certain that the 60,000 mile service (new timing
belt, water pump,
> tensioner, etc.) hasn't been done on the car.
When I get this done (at a
> Mitsubishi dealer, most likely) will they
have the engine apart enough to
> where it wouldn't take much more tearing
down to get to where they can fix
> the lifter problem, so maybe they
wouldn't charge me as much?
>
> Sorry if these questions sound very
"newbie", but hey this is my first
> 3000GT. I do think it
is an awesome car!
>
> Ian
>
> For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Tue
Oct 26 21:39:34 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id VAA16054
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 21:39:34 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mxout2.cac.washington.edu (mxout2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.4])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id VAA16042
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 21:38:49 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mailhost2.u.washington.edu (mailhost2.u.washington.edu
[140.142.33.2])
by mxout2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08)
with ESMTP id VAA24784
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 26
Oct 1999 21:37:51 -0700
Received: from u.washington.edu
(cs313-92.spmodem.washington.edu [140.142.175.93])
by
mailhost2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id
VAA06332
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999
21:37:50 -0700
Message-ID:
<38168144.D1FB0324@u.washington.edu>
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 21:36:20
-0700
From: Errin Humphrey <errin@u.washington.edu>
Organization:
University of Washington
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en,ja
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: 3/S Sirius Mailing
List <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Spotting
ODB?
References:
<013c01bf201e$25a5e500$10c9c9c9@benson>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell wrote:
> One question that came up while
asking about the different years of VR-4s,
> was that late model '95's and
all '96's are ODBII (making them harder to
> upgrade?). I'm not sure
of the specifics to what ODB stands for (if anyone
I think you're having
a bit of acronym confusion, Benson. :)
O.D.B. is the nickname for a
rapper known as Ol' Dirty Bastard.
O.B.D. I think stands for On-Board
Diagnostics, but I'm not 100% sure.
> The question I have is that how
to tell if your car is ODBI or ODBII?
If your car is '95 then it is most
likely OBDII, but again I'm not 100%
sure about that.
--Errin
"baby I got ya money" Humphrey
Seattle, wA
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 27 09:07:36 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA23392
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:07:36 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
cffsr011.cf ([209.48.217.9])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with
ESMTP id JAA23296
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 27 Oct
1999 09:03:15 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by cffsr011.cf with Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
id <48KTQVLV>; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:46:57
-0400
Message-ID:
<AFCD395A19B7D2118E0900902732D17E5607C1@cffsr011.cf>
From:
"Wallis, Gavin" <WallisG@MWAA.com>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: NOS VR4
Date: Wed, 27 Oct
1999 11:46:56 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I hope Mr. JT
will have the answer on this one.
I've heard the question bumped around
the list once or twice, but I have
never really hard anything to definitive
(if possible). What are the
feelings on a fairly conservative (50hp) shot of
NOS on our VR-4s?
Should certain other mods be in place first?
Even
though it may not blow the engine up immediately, are there some long
term
considerations?
Is 50hp too conservative?
Thanks,
Gavin
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 27 10:54:26 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id KAA26429
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:54:26 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
j-sux103.jci.com (j-sux103.jci.com [192.132.24.98])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id KAA26422
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:54:23 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from jsux04.corp.jci.com (mhub [159.222.38.28])
by
j-sux103.jci.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA10836
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:15:40
-0500
Received: from jci.com (root@localhost)
by jsux04.corp.jci.com
(AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA42784
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 16:14:12
GMT
Received: by jsux04.corp.jci.com ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:13:32
-0500
Content-Identifier: You were right!!! (was My Baby's
Misfiring)
Hop-Count: 1
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:00 -0500
From: Jeff A
Williamson <Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.com>
Subject: Team3S: You were
right!!! (was My Baby's Misfiring)
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Message-ID:
<2237111@jsux04.corp.jci.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
A week ago, I
posted a message asking what would cause my engine to
intermittantly misfire
after degreasing and hosing off the engine. I received
several responses
suggesting the following:
1) Loose electrical connection somewhere
2)
Loose plug wires
3) Water in the coil-pack wells
4) Water in the spark
plug wells
5) Water in some of the sensors
6) Fouled plug
After
hours of research, I finally found the problem. And the winner is ......
# 4
- moisture in the center rear plug well and at least an ounce of water in
the left rear plug well. What a pain in the ####!!! Why can't the rear plugs
be
as easy to get to as the front ones ?!?!
A little compressed air
to dry things out and problem solved. Thanks for your
help.
Jeff
Williamson
Belleville, MI
'92 VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Wed Oct 27 11:13:45 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
LAA26937
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:13:45 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from wiesbaden.netsurf.de (nero.wiesbaden.netsurf.de
[194.163.168.140])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id
LAA26930
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 27 Oct 1999
11:13:41 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from wiesbaden.netsurf.de by
wiesbaden.netsurf.de with esmtp
(Smail3.2.0.95 #28) id m11gXhJ-001letC; Wed,
27 Oct 1999 19:21:21 +0100 (MET)
Message-ID:
<381750D7.2B2D09D4@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999
20:21:59 +0100
From: Matthews
<matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en,ja
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Team 3S Tech List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: turbo performance and
reliability
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Interesting
threads on turbo upgrades. A few comments and questions.
Jack
stated that with the standard upgrades, 9Bs will max out at around
410 SAE
HP, 13Gs at 500 SAE HP and 15Gs at 575 SAE HP.
Impressive
indeed.
Dyno testing reveals that 410 SAE HP is in fact an
accurate estimate for
9B turbos with only a boost controller. However,
under the same
conditions, dyno testing also indicates that 13Gs produce more
torque
but about the same horsepower (boost controller + exhaust).
Both
systems could produce more boost, but not without detonation (1.0
bar
seemed to be the limit for both).
Jack's acceleration results
certainly support his horsepower estimates,
but it begs the question of
reliability. Granted, all three cars tested
on the dyno on 1 February
had stock fuel systems; a stronger fuel pump,
larger injectors and
accompanying electronics may support increased
boost without detonation,
perhaps exaggerating the advantage of 13G
turbos.
But it seems to me
that the limiting factor will soon be internals, such
as rings and
seals. How is it possible that 13Gs could produce 500
reliable
horsepower and 15Gs 575+ reliable horsepower without internal
engine
modifications? I suppose there is a difference here between a 12
second
blast down the dragstrip and letting 'er rip for several minutes
at full
boost on the Autobahn, or even road racing. Are we talking
about
_sustained_ horsepower here?
Even though my car made 406 SAE HP on the
dyno, I can't say I'm
confident about pegging the throttle for long periods
on the Autobahn.
Mike's EGTs seem high, and as he has a freer-flowing
exhaust, I would
expect my temps to be higher yet. I would think
sustained EGT is a
major reason for stock Euro-spec VR-4s having larger
turbos and no
restrictive Tour exhaust option.
Here are my concerns,
in order:
1. reliability (lower EGTs? long term effects of higher
boost?)
2. drivability (excessive lag? flat spots? incurable
rough idle?)
3. performance (still stuck at 1.0 bar to avoid
detonation?)
4. convenience (constant dinking with the fuel
settings?)
Note that it seems like a lot of the big turbo,
high-horsepower folks
have inoperable vehicles most of the time. This
is not encouraging! I
am very interested in increasing performance, but
my Stealth is a
primary vehicle on which I must depend every day. I
want to smoke my
neighbor's new 400+ HP M5 _every damn day_ on the way to
work! :-) And
I have not forgotten the Type 996 911 Twin-Turbo
test mule that pulled
away from me back in June... (saw a GT3 over the
weekend but I was
driving my van!)
Survey: How many of you have been
pushing 500+ horsepower in your daily
driver for, say, 10,000+ miles without
any problems and with no
sacrifice in drivability?
TIA... -Jim
--
Jim Matthews - Wiesbaden, Germany
mailto:matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de
(64 Kbps ISDN)
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews
***
3000GT-Stealth International (3Si) Member #0030
***
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews/stealth.html
Jet Black '94
Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension,
Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 72%
BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark
plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
Abex metallic brake pads, custom
braided brake lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed:
168mph
G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno
Session: 406 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft torque
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Wed Oct 27 12:10:29 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
MAA28217
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:10:29 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc2.occa.home.com
[24.2.8.66])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
MAA28209
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 27 Oct 1999
12:10:26 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from cx221247a ([24.8.141.25]) by
mail.rdc2.occa.home.com
(InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with
SMTP
id
<19991027191025.LYNY8534.mail.rdc2.occa.home.com@cx221247a>;
Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:10:25 -0700
Message-ID:
<03fc01bf20ae$390524e0$198d0818@msnv1.occa.home.com>
From: "Jim
Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
To: "Jeff A Williamson"
<Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.com>,
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<2237111@jsux04.corp.jci.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: You were right!!!
(was My Baby's Misfiring)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:05:23
-0700
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> After hours of research, I finally found the problem. And the
winner is ......
> # 4 - moisture in the center rear plug well and at
least an ounce of water in
> the left rear plug well. What a pain in the
####!!! Why can't the rear plugs be
> as easy to get to as the front ones
?!?!
===================================================
The fix may
not be as simple as drying the offending water --- the water
and ensuing
high voltage short can break down the insulation on the
plug wire and
require replacement of the wire. I'd definately do the
rear
one!!!
Jim Berry
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Wed Oct 27 13:03:03 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
NAA29034
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 13:03:03 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch
[194.158.230.44])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
NAA29026
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 27 Oct 1999
13:02:22 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from rg (194.230.238.18) by
newmail.spectraweb.ch; 27 Oct 1999 21:58:05 +0200
Message-ID:
<00b201bf20b5$dc709b80$12eee6c2@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<2237111@jsux04.corp.jci.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: You were right!!!
(was My Baby's Misfiring)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 21:16:04
+0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> 4) Water in the spark plug wells
> After hours of
research, I finally found the problem. And the winner is
......
> # 4 -
moisture in the center rear plug well and at least an ounce of
water
in
> the left rear plug well.
Great you found the problem
! I myself clean the ignition coil connectors
with contact cleaner every
second month as well as I clean the wires and
plugs. The manual even states
that the wires should not touch the engine and
the stock looms should be
used.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Wed Oct 27 13:06:58 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
NAA29137
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 13:06:58 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch
[194.158.230.44])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
NAA29119
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 27 Oct 1999
13:06:22 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from rg (194.230.238.18) by
newmail.spectraweb.ch; 27 Oct 1999 22:01:46 +0200
Message-ID:
<00c701bf20b6$60353660$12eee6c2@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "3/S Sirius Mailing List"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7669@EXCHANGE1>
<38151F54.41A2564C@u.washington.edu> <38154BA1.AEF94250@execpc.com>
<381640FD.4C55F31D@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 9B, 13G, 15G
relative performances
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 21:57:53 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
8bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> I come back to Roger Gerl's dyno runs which show his
Euro-spec
> (13G) VR4 having a slightly better torque curve but
~lower~
> overall horsepower compared to two US-spec (9B) TT's
dyno'd
> on the same day. This obviously conflicts with your
tremendous
> increases in trap speeds with the 13G upgrades on your
car.
First, Jack runned up to 17 psi compared to the 14.7 psi we did on
the dyno.
The 13G will then still be on a better efficiency island than the
9B. Even
more, 12.7 are possible with the stock turbos when the pre-cats are
gutted
and a free-flowing exhaust is provided. The turbos will then have a
better
pressure between the turbine wheel and provide a better steady
boost.
Second, I guess Jack already had other intercoolers, that decrease
the
intake air and therefore provides more power and less detonation. Last
but
not least, I'm sure Jack runned racing fuel :-)
> What could
explain this? I've always offered the explanation which
> I
mentioned when Roger concluded from these dyno runs that exhaust
> mods do
not increase horsepower (on stock turbos): I think it might
> have
something to do with inadequate airflow (especially to the inter-
>
coolers) on the dyno. We've all been here before, so I'll just leave
it
> at that. :)
My temp reading just infront the throttle
body where 161°F on the dyno and
156°F on the street. There was only
a day in between with same ambient. I
think this means to me that the
difference is negligible.
The intake temp is definitely lowered with a
larger intercooler that finally
causes less detonation/knock and therefore
also causes less retard. My temp
dropped to 112°F with water injection
!
For "normal" boost of 15psi as well as the pre-cats still in
place, the
exhaust mods did not do anything to power ! BUT, the dp without a
cat helps
in better spool-up and therefore you gain in trap speed.... but
not
horsepower.
Adding then 13G will lower the discharge temperature
when running them at
the same level as the 9B. This should be seen on the
maps, but
interestingly, noone has maps for 9B, 13G or even 15G or 17G. I'm
pretty
sure, that the larger turbos will really benefit from opening up
the
exhaust.
> >15G are still unbeaten, both on motor and with
NOS; are capable of
> >125 mph quartermile / 575+ hp AT THE WHEELS no
NOS in my car,
> >with only piggyback computer mods/no
porting/enginework beyond the
> >boltons.
I agree that the 15G
would be the right solution and I would take them now
with what I know today.
The available stuff doesn't make any ECU mod
necessary. Even more, I found a
retarded timing with the first chipset and
it was somewhat less powerful as
the stock ECU !! I drove it for a few
hundered miles and I noticed that the
thing learned over at least 100 miles.
But milage dropped heavily even with
easy driving. I tried to compensate
with the ARC but with even conservative
fuel levels a lot of these expensive
juice was wasted
:-(
Roger,
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Wed Oct 27 13:09:57 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
NAA29245
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 13:09:57 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from is-callahan.gwl.com (firewall-user@is-callahan.gwl.com
[143.199.125.10])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id
NAA29238
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 27 Oct 1999
13:09:54 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by is-callahan.gwl.com; id OAA28202; Wed, 27
Oct 1999 14:02:39 -0600
Received: from is-news(143.199.103.8) by
is-callahan.gwl.com via smap (V4.2)
id xma028159; Wed, 27 Oct 99 14:02:34
-0600
Received: from is-edison.gwl.com (is-edison [143.199.99.14])
by
is-news.gwl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/EMH1.5) with ESMTP id OAA21398
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:09:47 -0600
(MDT)
Received: from its-atlantis.gwl.com (its-atlantis
[143.199.102.180])
by is-edison.gwl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/ISC2.0L) with ESMTP id
OAA06307
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 27 Oct 1999
14:09:47 -0600 (MDT)
Received: by its-atlantis.gwl.com with Internet Mail
Service (5.5.2448.0)
id <VRRQ222M>; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:01:01
-0600
Message-ID:
<5AE3CECEB12CD3119E4B0090277AEFAC18A0A1@its-atlantis.gwl.com>
From:
"Palamara, Peter" <pala@gwl.com>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: FW: help need part # for je
pistons
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:00:56 -0600
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="KS_C_5601-1987"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
If anyone has
ordered the JE pistons for our cars keeping the stock
compression and
strengthened wrist pins keeping the stock rods please email
me directly with
that part number . Thanx
Please make sure the ones you have are not the
cheaper srp kind. Thanx a
million.
92 3000 GTO S.C.
Soon to be
exactly what the plates say :)
Plates (HIPRESR)
1-800-888-gwla
x4733
http://members.xoom.com/palamarap
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Wed Oct 27 13:12:20 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
NAA29408
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 13:12:20 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mx01-ext.netapp.com (mx01-ext.netapp.com
[198.95.224.34])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id
NAA29401
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 27 Oct 1999
13:12:17 -0700 (PDT)
Received: (qmail 18298 invoked from network); 27 Oct
1999 20:32:31 -0000
Received: from herra.netapp.com (HELO
herra.corp.netapp.com) (198.95.224.184)
by mx01-ext.netapp.com with
SMTP; 27 Oct 1999 20:32:31 -0000
Received: from tahoe.corp.netapp.com
(tahoe.corp.netapp.com [10.10.10.112])
by herra.corp.netapp.com
(8.8.7/8.8.7/DTM-GNAC-GW-2.1) with ESMTP id NAA02056;
Wed, 27 Oct 1999
13:11:55 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by tahoe.corp.netapp.com with Internet Mail
Service (5.5.2448.0)
id <VL5GY5ZH>; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 13:10:24
-0700
Message-ID:
<242EA98B2B7DD311985A0090277AED510F0BD6@CLEARCREEK.corp.netapp.com>
From:
"Mohler, Jeff" <jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
To: "'Wallis,
Gavin'" <WallisG@MWAA.com>,
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: NOS VR4
Date: Wed, 27
Oct 1999 13:13:33 -0700
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Having used NOS
on my supra for a couple years (100Hp dry shot) I feel that the
power output
from NOS, when uses intelligently, correctly, and with the proper
respect for
the system (it can be complicated on how to use it right given
different
conditions) it is no more harmful on your motor than what the same
amount of
added boost would be.
Any deviation from the 100% correct way to use NOS,
can be damaging.
ANY modifications made on a car get you closer and
closer to the point where you
will be at the edge of engineering tolerances
on certain parts of a motor or
drivetrain.
-----Original
Message-----
From: Wallis, Gavin [mailto:WallisG@MWAA.com]
Sent:
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 8:47 AM
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: NOS VR4
I hope Mr.
JT will have the answer on this one.
I've heard the question bumped
around the list once or twice, but I have
never really hard anything to
definitive (if possible). What are the
feelings on a fairly conservative
(50hp) shot of NOS on our VR-4s?
Should certain other mods be in place
first?
Even though it may not blow the engine up immediately, are there some
long
term considerations?
Is 50hp too
conservative?
Thanks,
Gavin
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Wed Oct 27 13:35:16 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
NAA29901
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 13:35:16 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mailhost.oeaa.com (mailhost.oeaa.com
[216.103.199.12])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
NAA29892
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 27 Oct 1999
13:35:13 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mailhost.oeaa.com with Internet Mail
Service (5.5.2448.0)
id <TZS6ZHVM>; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 13:30:47
-0700
Message-ID:
<111D7AE95918D311A41D0060970F86E44A1FC0@mailhost.oeaa.com>
From: Luis
Interiano <Interian@oeaa.com>
To: "Stealth-3000gt (E-mail)"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Starter
problems
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 13:30:36 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Has anyone on
the club ever worked on a 94 3K GT starter, I think I might
have to this
weekend. The car seems to start without a problem but as soon
as it has
cranked it makes a metal on metal rubbing noise. The car only
makes the
noise when it is cold and after it has turned over. The noise
lasts for
about a second. I was told by a mechanic that the starter needs
to be
replaced, he added that the "bendex" is not recoiling.
I
have little trust with this mechanic since the problem only started
after
they replaced the clutch (and in the process scratched one of my
chromed
rims with a screw driver). I don't have a service manual for
this car, so
any information would be greatly appreciated.
Luis
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 27 13:38:56 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id NAA29980
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 13:38:56 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mx01-ext.netapp.com (mx01-ext.netapp.com [198.95.224.34])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id NAA29973
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 13:38:53 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (qmail 21691 invoked from network); 27 Oct 1999 20:59:08
-0000
Received: from herra.netapp.com (HELO herra.corp.netapp.com)
(198.95.224.184)
by mx01-ext.netapp.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 1999
20:59:08 -0000
Received: from tahoe.corp.netapp.com (tahoe.corp.netapp.com
[10.10.10.112])
by herra.corp.netapp.com (8.8.7/8.8.7/DTM-GNAC-GW-2.1) with
ESMTP id NAA06747;
Wed, 27 Oct 1999 13:38:32 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by
tahoe.corp.netapp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id
<VL5GY622>; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 13:37:01 -0700
Message-ID:
<242EA98B2B7DD311985A0090277AED510F0BD7@CLEARCREEK.corp.netapp.com>
From:
"Mohler, Jeff" <jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
To: "'Luis
Interiano'"
<Interian@oeaa.com>,
"Stealth-3000gt
(E-mail)"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Starter problems
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 13:40:07 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
No..he sounds
correct.
The starter gear itself, isnt coming back into the starter when
you relase the
key, and its spininng up on the flywheel instead.
This
will eventuall destroy the starter, starter gear.
-----Original
Message-----
From: Luis Interiano [mailto:Interian@oeaa.com]
Sent:
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 1:31 PM
To: Stealth-3000gt (E-mail)
Subject:
Team3S: Starter problems
Has anyone on the club ever worked on a 94
3K GT starter, I think I might
have to this weekend. The car seems to
start without a problem but as soon
as it has cranked it makes a metal on
metal rubbing noise. The car only
makes the noise when it is cold and
after it has turned over. The noise
lasts for about a second. I
was told by a mechanic that the starter needs
to be replaced, he added that
the "bendex" is not recoiling.
I have little trust with
this mechanic since the problem only started after
they replaced the clutch
(and in the process scratched one of my chromed
rims with a screw
driver). I don't have a service manual for this car, so
any information
would be greatly appreciated.
Luis
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Wed Oct 27 18:13:42 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
SAA03973
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 18:13:42 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com
[205.188.157.37])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
SAA03966
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 27 Oct 1999
18:13:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: TrboDrvr@aol.com
Received: from
TrboDrvr@aol.com
by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6JATb7G56_
(3858);
Wed, 27 Oct 1999 21:12:55 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
<0.13ccbd92.2548fd17@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 21:12:55
EDT
Subject: Re: Team3S: Starter problems
To: Interian@oeaa.com,
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer:
Windows AOL sub 40
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Sounds like the
starter solenoid is gone. On our cars, the solenoid is
attached to the
starter. If it is bad, it will cause the starter gear to
either not
recoil or recoil very slowly. If that happens, the gear will stay
meshed with the flywheel and cause the grinding sound you describe. It
is
likely that, if you just had the clutch replaced and you had no problems
before, the garage you took your car to cracked or broke or cracked the
solenoid when taking the wires off or replacing them. That area of the
solenoid can be troublesome.
I don't know if you
can replace the solenoid only on our cars. I'd bet
not. In any
event, I'd replace the starter/solenoid as a pair.
Joe 91TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 27 19:12:18 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id TAA04790
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 19:12:18 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.rdc1.az.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.az.home.com [24.1.240.66])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id TAA04783
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 19:12:15 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from cx85612a ([24.1.193.136]) by
mail.rdc1.az.home.com
(InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with
SMTP
id
<19991028021215.QZUQ9311.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@cx85612a>
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Wed, 27 Oct 1999 19:12:15 -0700
Reply-To: <beking@home.com>
From:
"Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
To: "Stealth-3000gt
(E-mail)" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Starter problems
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 19:12:37 -0700
Message-ID:
<000901bf20e9$e7e24de0$88c10118@home.com>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer:
Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0
Importance: Normal
X-MimeOLE:
Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300
In-Reply-To:
<242EA98B2B7DD311985A0090277AED510F0BD7@CLEARCREEK.corp.netapp.com>
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
...and possibly
the flywheel...
Sometimes starters need to be shimmed for proper
aligment. Took me years
(and several starters) before this was pointed
out to me. Most SHOPS don't
even do
this...
Barry
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of Mohler, Jeff
>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 1:40 PM
> To: 'Luis Interiano';
Stealth-3000gt (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Starter
problems
>
>
> No..he sounds correct.
>
> The
starter gear itself, isnt coming back into the starter when
> you relase
the
> key, and its spininng up on the flywheel instead.
>
>
This will eventuall destroy the starter, starter gear.
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 27 19:57:25 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id TAA05818
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 19:57:25 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.maindomain.com (mail.800hosting.com [209.41.115.5])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id TAA05811
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 19:57:22 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from kevin [205.147.249.147] by mail.maindomain.com
(SMTPD32-5.01) id ADD72C901D6; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 22:07:03 CDT
Message-ID:
<003501bf20ef$ef635400$93f993cd@kevin>
From: "Kevin"
<Kevin@pacarsearch.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Over Boost
Date:
Wed, 27 Oct 1999 22:55:46 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
First some background.
-1991 Stealth TT
-Just finished the
60,000 mile service myself plus gutted the cats and
pre-cats
-Temp is
around 45 deg. F colder than I have ever driven the car. (had it
less than a
year)
-Blitz SSBC
Now the fun part. I can not get the boost
down...... I only ran the car up
to about 4500 RPM but it goes up to
1.1 bar and nothing I do on the
controller helps. I turned the gain all
the way down, turned the knobs all
the way down and even shut the thing
off. Can't figure it out for the life
of me. I checked all the
hoses, everything seems tight. I do notice a big
difference in spool up
time since I gutted the cats.... much quicker now.
Could I have damaged the
waste gate when I gutted the rear pre-cat? Is it
that cold that I am
just getting that much boost? I am going out now to
unplug the solenoid
and see if it goes down to 6psi where is should be.
Maybe the line going to
the boost controller is loose or cut.
Any ideas would be
appreciated.
Thanks,
Kevin Schappell
Auto
Answers
http://www.PACarSearch.com
If you love cars, check
out
http://www.pacarsearch.com/motorhead
------------Still under
construction---------------
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt
Wed Oct 27 21:11:11 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id VAA07148
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 21:11:11 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.maindomain.com (mail.800hosting.com [209.41.115.5])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id VAA07141
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 21:11:08 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from kevin [205.147.249.147] by mail.maindomain.com
(SMTPD32-5.01) id AF211ED025A; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 23:20:49 CDT
Message-ID:
<006001bf20fa$3d3bb820$93f993cd@kevin>
From: "Kevin"
<Kevin@pacarsearch.com>
To: "Kevin"
<Kevin@pacarsearch.com>,
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<003501bf20ef$ef635400$93f993cd@kevin>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Over Boost
fixed.... muffler question
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 00:09:31
-0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Ok, I figured it out myself. :-) The line
from the Y-pipe to the bottom
of the solenoid was half off. It looked
like it was connected but when I
tugged on it, it came off. All is well
and the car runs like a dream. I
don't know how it ran from the
showroom since I bought it used, but it's
running better than it ever
has.
I notice a little more rumble from the exhaust since
the cats are no
longer there, but I want more. Anyone ever try changing
just the mufflers
to say Flowmaster's or Super Traps? I know
Flowmaster's will drone but I
like them, I have no experience with the Super
Traps.
Kevin Schappell
Auto
Answers
http://www.PACarSearch.com
If you love cars, check
out
http://www.pacarsearch.com/motorhead
------------Still under
construction---------------
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin
<Kevin@pacarsearch.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999
10:55 PM
Subject: Team3S: Over Boost
> First some
background.
> -1991 Stealth TT
> -Just finished the 60,000 mile
service myself plus gutted the cats and
> pre-cats
> -Temp is around
45 deg. F colder than I have ever driven the car. (had it
> less than a
year)
> -Blitz SSBC
> Now the fun part. I can not get the
boost down...... I only ran the car
up
> to about 4500 RPM but it
goes up to 1.1 bar and nothing I do on the
> controller helps. I
turned the gain all the way down, turned the knobs
all
> the way down
and even shut the thing off. Can't figure it out for the
life
>
of me. I checked all the hoses, everything seems tight. I do notice
a
big
> difference in spool up time since I gutted the cats.... much
quicker now.
> Could I have damaged the waste gate when I gutted the rear
pre-cat? Is it
> that cold that I am just getting that much
boost? I am going out now to
> unplug the solenoid and see if it
goes down to 6psi where is should be.
> Maybe the line going to the boost
controller is loose or cut.
>
> Any ideas would be
appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Kevin Schappell
> Auto
Answers
> http://www.PACarSearch.com
> If you love cars, check
out
> http://www.pacarsearch.com/motorhead
> ------------Still under
construction---------------
>
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Wed
Oct 27 23:07:13 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id XAA08803
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 23:07:13 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mx01-ext.netapp.com (mx01-ext.netapp.com [198.95.224.34])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id XAA08796
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 23:07:10 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (qmail 4088 invoked from network); 28 Oct 1999 06:27:35
-0000
Received: from herra.netapp.com (HELO herra.corp.netapp.com)
(198.95.224.184)
by mx01-ext.netapp.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 1999
06:27:35 -0000
Received: from tahoe.corp.netapp.com (tahoe.corp.netapp.com
[10.10.10.112])
by herra.corp.netapp.com (8.8.7/8.8.7/DTM-GNAC-GW-2.1) with
ESMTP id XAA21217;
Wed, 27 Oct 1999 23:06:49 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by
tahoe.corp.netapp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id
<VL5GZBPJ>; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 23:05:18 -0700
Message-ID:
<242EA98B2B7DD311985A0090277AED510F0BDD@CLEARCREEK.corp.netapp.com>
From:
"Mohler, Jeff" <jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
To:
"'Kevin'" <Kevin@pacarsearch.com>,
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Over Boost fixed....
muffler question
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 23:08:25 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Mufflers?
What mufflers?
3" custom dual 'Y' pipe in back here, we still have
all 3 cats, but on our
stealthTT we had none, was a nice sound (if yer into
that)
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin
[mailto:Kevin@pacarsearch.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 9:10
PM
To: Kevin; stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Over
Boost fixed.... muffler question
Ok, I figured it
out myself. :-) The line from the Y-pipe to the bottom
of the solenoid
was half off. It looked like it was connected but when I
tugged on it,
it came off. All is well and the car runs like a dream. I
don't
know how it ran from the showroom since I bought it used, but it's
running
better than it ever has.
I notice a little more rumble
from the exhaust since the cats are no
longer there, but I want more.
Anyone ever try changing just the mufflers
to say Flowmaster's or Super
Traps? I know Flowmaster's will drone but I
like them, I have no
experience with the Super Traps.
Kevin Schappell
Auto
Answers
http://www.PACarSearch.com
If you love cars, check
out
http://www.pacarsearch.com/motorhead
------------Still under
construction---------------
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin
<Kevin@pacarsearch.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999
10:55 PM
Subject: Team3S: Over Boost
> First some
background.
> -1991 Stealth TT
> -Just finished the 60,000 mile
service myself plus gutted the cats and
> pre-cats
> -Temp is around
45 deg. F colder than I have ever driven the car. (had it
> less than a
year)
> -Blitz SSBC
> Now the fun part. I can not get the
boost down...... I only ran the car
up
> to about 4500 RPM but it
goes up to 1.1 bar and nothing I do on the
> controller helps. I
turned the gain all the way down, turned the knobs
all
> the way down
and even shut the thing off. Can't figure it out for the
life
>
of me. I checked all the hoses, everything seems tight. I do notice
a
big
> difference in spool up time since I gutted the cats.... much
quicker now.
> Could I have damaged the waste gate when I gutted the rear
pre-cat? Is it
> that cold that I am just getting that much
boost? I am going out now to
> unplug the solenoid and see if it
goes down to 6psi where is should be.
> Maybe the line going to the boost
controller is loose or cut.
>
> Any ideas would be
appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Kevin Schappell
> Auto
Answers
> http://www.PACarSearch.com
> If you love cars, check
out
> http://www.pacarsearch.com/motorhead
> ------------Still under
construction---------------
>
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Wed Oct 27 23:25:37 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
XAA09091
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 23:25:37 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from hotmail.com (f108.law7.hotmail.com
[216.33.237.108])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id
XAA09084
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Wed, 27 Oct 1999
23:25:35 -0700 (PDT)
Received: (qmail 21069 invoked by uid 0); 28 Oct 1999
06:25:14 -0000
Message-ID:
<19991028062514.21068.qmail@hotmail.com>
Received: from 63.11.55.60 by
www.hotmail.com with HTTP;
Wed, 27 Oct 1999 23:25:14 PDT
X-Originating-IP:
[63.11.55.60]
From: "Curt Gendron"
<curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: Cracked rotor
pictures
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 01:25:14 CDT
Mime-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hey
everyone,
I've got some pictures of Oskar's cracked rotor from his racing
at Brainard
International Speedway. It is
at:
http://www.mn3s.org/brainard-racing99.html
There is also a
picture of his melted Stillen Metal Matrix pads, on that
same
page.
later,
Curt
http://www.mn3s.org
______________________________________________________
Get
Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Thu Oct 28 06:52:04 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
GAA14180
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 06:52:04 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mailgw00.execpc.com (sendmail@mailgw00.execpc.com
[169.207.1.78])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
GAA14173
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999
06:52:01 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from pop01.execpc.com (pop01.execpc.com
[169.207.2.114])
by mailgw00.execpc.com (8.9.1) id IAA22502;
Thu, 28 Oct
1999 08:51:58 -0500
Received: from execpc.com
(ferengal-1-80.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.128.80]) by pop01.execpc.com (8.8.8)
id IAA16754; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 08:51:57 -0500
Message-ID:
<38185432.9FE2082F@execpc.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 08:48:35
-0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Reply-To:
xwing@execpc.com
Organization: Exec-PC
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95;
U)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Sirius 3000GT Mail List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>,
"stealth@starnet.net" <stealth@starnet.net>
Subject: Team3S:
REAL Underdrive Dampeners Available!
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
REAL underdrive
harmonic dampeners, that ACTUALLY DAMPEN
harmonics like the stock crankshaft
dampener (unlike the junk IMO
Unorthodox "PULLEY") are
newly available from
Dave Buschur in Ohio! I had prodded him into
making them, and they
have taken a long time to get made, but here we
are...
They are NHRA legal so if any weenies complain you are going too
fast
with stock dampener you can tell them to shut their
pieholes.
Because are underdrive, the require a slightly shorter pulley
belt,
which
will have to be determined (Dave doesn't have a 3000/Stealth
there to
model it on).
I am getting mine; there are 4 more
available/in stock now; I'd
suggest Art Shevack, Mike Mahaffey, and the other
leading
edge people consider it for sure; and anybody wanting
an
underdrive that still does the MAIN job, DAMPENING!
Cost is about $345
or so, very reasonable for such a device
especially custom...
Save Your
Crank and Bearings by contacting Dave at
website
buschurracing.com
phone 1-440-839-1900
Tell
him I sent you, gives me a gold star
Jack Tertadian
Atomic
Motorsports :)
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 28 07:17:02 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id HAA14515
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 07:17:02 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET (cedar-rapids.net [206.24.60.1])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id HAA14508
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 07:16:59 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from c440759-a.cdrrpd1.ia.home.com ([24.10.221.131]) by
CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET
with SMTP (IPAD 2.5/64) id 1812300 ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999
09:12:03 -0500
Message-Id:
<3.0.5.32.19991028085034.0090be80@cedar-rapids.net>
X-Sender:
merritt@cedar-rapids.net
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5
(32)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 08:50:34 -0500
To: "Curt Gendron"
<curt_gendron@hotmail.com>, stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
From:
Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Cracked rotor
pictures
In-Reply-To:
<19991028062514.21068.qmail@hotmail.com>
Mime-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
>
>I've
got some pictures of Oskar's cracked rotor from his racing at Brainard
>International Speedway. It is
at:
>http://www.mn3s.org/brainard-racing99.html
>
That's EXACTLY
how my PowerSlots broke. I bet the original rotors came
from the same
source.
Rich/old poop/94 VR4/somebody stop me!
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 28 08:26:13 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id IAA15368
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 08:26:13 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mxout1.cac.washington.edu (mxout1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.5])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id IAA15361
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 08:26:09 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mailhost1.u.washington.edu (mailhost1.u.washington.edu
[140.142.32.2])
by mxout1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08)
with ESMTP id IAA29864
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28
Oct 1999 08:26:08 -0700
Received: from u.washington.edu
(cs314-77.spmodem.washington.edu [140.142.175.180])
by
mailhost1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id
IAA14040
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999
08:26:07 -0700
Message-ID:
<38186AB6.86560081@u.washington.edu>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 08:24:38
-0700
From: Errin Humphrey <errin@u.washington.edu>
Organization:
University of Washington
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en,ja
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: 3/S Sirius Mailing
List <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 9B, 13G, 15G
relative performances
References:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7669@EXCHANGE1>
<38151F54.41A2564C@u.washington.edu> <38154BA1.AEF94250@execpc.com>
<381640FD.4C55F31D@u.washington.edu>
<00c701bf20b6$60353660$12eee6c2@rg>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
"R.G."
wrote:
> First, Jack runned up to 17 psi compared to the 14.7 psi we
did on the dyno.
> The 13G will then still be on a better efficiency
island than the 9B. [snip]
> Second, I guess Jack already had other
intercoolers, that decrease the
> intake air and therefore provides more
power and less detonation. Last but
> not least, I'm sure Jack runned
racing fuel :-)
If these things combined could add ~50hp, then you
definitely have a point. :)
> > have something to do with
inadequate airflow (especially to the inter-
> > coolers) on the
dyno. We've all been here before, so I'll just leave it
> > at
that. :)
>
> My temp reading just infront the throttle body
where 161°F on the dyno and
> 156°F on the street. There was only
a day in between with same ambient. I
> think this means to me that the
difference is negligible.
This seems to disagree with two points made by
Mike Chapleski back
on August 5th:
>>4) During our dyno runs the
ambient was 50 F deg the intake temp at the
>>start of my dyno was 104
deg F and the intake peak after about 20 seconds
>>of running at 12 psi
was 224 deg F!!! So I do think that the fan was not
>>very
effective. However, I cannot compare this to the real world,
because
>>I have not been able to find the proper hill where I can
maintain 12 psi of
>>boost in fourth gear. The most I have been
able to maintain was about 10
>>seconds which resulted in a peak of 139
deg F.
I would not consider this difference negligible, and Mike also
attributed it
to the effectiveness of the fan. Maybe the numbers you
mentioned above
(161F and 156F) are temps at idle or at steady
cruising? There must be
a reason why Mike had such different
readings.
Here's something else Mike wrote which again brings up the
issue that
the car must be moving in order for the engine and air charge
temps to
sufficiently decrease. Thus, letting the car idle with the
hood open is
not enough:
>>3) If I turn off the car, after
fully heating up, let it sit 10-15 minutes, then
>>start it back up,
the intake temp is about 20-25 deg above ambient and it
>>takes about
10 minutes of HIGHWAY driving to get it back down to 10
>>degrees
difference. For dragracers that let their cars sit between runs,
this
>>is something that you should REALLY be monitoring.
>
The intake temp is definitely lowered with a larger intercooler that
finally
> causes less detonation/knock and therefore also causes less
retard. My temp
> dropped to 112°F with water injection!
That
is very impressive indeed.
> For "normal" boost of 15psi as
well as the pre-cats still in place, the
> exhaust mods did not do
anything to power ! BUT, the dp without a cat helps
> in better spool-up
and therefore you gain in trap speed.... but not
>
horsepower.
We'll never know for sure until somebody makes runs at the
track on
the same day with and without the catalytic/exhaust system.
They could
throw 75lbs weight in the car so that any differences won't be due
to
weight. Better spoolup should get you off the line quicker, but I
don't
think that by itself would increase trapspeeds because the rest of
the
run is full throttle (near redline) anyways.
> interestingly,
noone has maps for 9B, 13G or even 15G or 17G.
That's too bad.
Maybe TEC can provide them to somebody so we
can study them.
> I
agree that the 15G would be the right solution and I would take them now
>
with what I know today. The available stuff doesn't make any ECU mod
>
necessary. Even more, I found a retarded timing with the first chipset
and
> it was somewhat less powerful as the stock ECU !!
Maybe you
might consider going back to the stock ECU? I'm really
wondering how
well the gtpro turbos like your 368s (or the 355s which
Brian says are better
than 15Gs) will compare to the 15Gs. I guess
I'll just have to wait and
see.
--Errin
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 28 09:04:09 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA15997
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:04:09 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
rearstage.andysaudio.com (rearstage.andysaudio.com [206.132.13.13])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id JAA15990
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:04:06 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from localhost (andy@localhost)
by
rearstage.andysaudio.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13672;
Thu, 28 Oct
1999 09:03:09 -0400
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:03:09 -0400 (EDT)
From:
"Andrew C. Ohnstad" <andy@andysaudio.com>
To: Rah
<rah@isd.net>
cc: "stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Dumb Question,
but curious
In-Reply-To: <3813DA4D.4A06A77C@isd.net>
Message-ID:
<Pine.LNX.4.10.9910280856270.6104-100000@rearstage.andysaudio.com>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Radar should not
be a problem. Removing the front plate is not gonna
help you much
against radar. Radar needs any big surface to bounce off
of and our
cars certainally provide that.
Laser on the other hand is a different
story. Without a front licence
plate you're denying the officer the
flat surface he needs to get a lazer
reading. Of course nothing to keep
them from shooting your rear licence
plate after you've passed, assuming they
were hidden well enough that you
wouldn't have had time to slow
down.
If your city/state uses primarially radar then you're about
screwed. Get
a good detector and be careful. Radar jammers fall
into two categorys,
those that don't work, and those that are
illegeal.
Laser, on the other hand can be sucessfully jammed
legally. I don't
remember right now (but I can find) a couple sources
for legal laser
jammers that work very well. There was one jammer in
particular (which I
used to run on my car in Maryland, which is almost
exclusivley laser)
which would not even give a reading to a lazer gun fired
point blank at
it. Again, the rear of the car is unprotected so if the
officer is well
hidden you're busted.
=-=Andrew
(ex-cop)
"Traveling At The Speed of Thought" --- Teenage
FanClub
'94 Mitsubishi 3000 GT -- Eclipse, Boston Acoustics, Rockford
Power
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, Rah wrote:
> Hello
all,
> Recently I took the front license plate off
my 93 Stealth RT, now
> that plate is required in my state so
hush-hush. I know from people
> I've seen on the road that it's not
unusual at all.
> The real question, not to get my
or anybody elses hopes up, but I
> can't help but wonder how well a police
officer can get a radar signal
> off of this car. From my experience
in another car club, and
> information an ex-military man was able to give
me on how radar requires
> a very specific reflection, it does make you
wonder.
>
> Anybody know? Anyone put a gun to it and found
out? I'm not relying on
> it yet, but it'd be interesting to know
what y'all think,
>
> --Rich
>
> For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Thu Oct 28 09:10:26 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
JAA16185
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:10:26 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from rearstage.andysaudio.com (rearstage.andysaudio.com
[206.132.13.13])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
JAA16178
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999
09:10:22 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (andy@localhost)
by
rearstage.andysaudio.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14627;
Thu, 28 Oct
1999 09:09:38 -0400
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:09:38 -0400 (EDT)
From:
"Andrew C. Ohnstad" <andy@andysaudio.com>
To: "Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell" <benson@2015.com>
cc: 3000GT
Mailing <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Dumb
Question, but curious
In-Reply-To:
<022201bf1e9e$06c4f3a0$10c9c9c9@benson>
Message-ID:
<Pine.LNX.4.10.9910280904120.6104-100000@rearstage.andysaudio.com>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
On Sun, 24 Oct
1999, Benson "elmagoo" Russell wrote:
> determine (or rather
GUESS) which car was doing the returned speed. One
> fact to note
though is that big vehicles (trucks in other words) will ALWAYS
> return
the strongest signal no matter what. So if a trucks doing 50, and
>
you zip buy at 80, he'll get a 50 reading because the trucks return
signal
> is much stronger. This is another reason why you should
always ask to see
> the gun reading for yourself when they pull you over
(I've heard of cops
> trying to pull a fast one where they didn't even
clock you at all). If they
> refuse, you make them write that on the
ticket and point that one out to the
> judge :).
Yup, and another
variation on the theme is moving radar. It basically
shoots out two
radar pulses and attempts to figure out how fast the
cruiser is going and how
fast you are going. It relies on the fact that
there will be a sign,
overpass, building, something which is not moving to
provide the reference
for the cruiser's speed. If the officer is using
moving radar and is
anywhere near a tractor trailer, rv, etc. the radar
unit will not be able to
figure out the crusier's speed and give the
officer a reading well over
150mph. Most officers know better but there
are always a few
new/overenthusiastic guys out there, and sure, our cars
WILL do 150.
:)
> another little trick of note that I read in Car and Driver a long
ways back
> on ways to defeat laser radar when they were first
introduced. One method
> they came up with and tested is to put an
extremely high candle-watt powered
> light (like the ones the cops use) on
the front of your car near the lisence
> plate (because that's where they
aim their laser guns due to the lisence
> plates highly reflective
surface). Aim it forward, and then put an
> infra-red filter on it
(so it blocks all spectrum of light except ir). This
The lazer
jammers that I discussed basically do this, but in a pulsing,
"strobe
light" method. As I said there was one that worked REALLY
well.
=-=Andrew
"Traveling At The Speed of Thought" ---
Teenage FanClub
'94 Mitsubishi 3000 GT -- Eclipse, Boston Acoustics, Rockford
Power
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 28 09:47:22 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA17226
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:47:22 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id JAA17219
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:47:19 -0700
(PDT)
From: Aso8@aol.com
Received: from Aso8@aol.com
by
imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id pMUM0pS9uX (3849);
Thu, 28 Oct 1999
12:46:41 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <0.4e56cbcf.2549d7f1@aol.com>
Date:
Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:46:41 EDT
Subject: Team3S: Re: REAL Underdrive Dampeners
Available!
To: xwing@execpc.com, stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
CC:
Aso8@aol.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer:
Windows AOL sub 41
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Sounds like a
worthwhile investment to me.
Tks.
Arty
In a message dated 10/28/99
6:52:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
xwing@execpc.com writes:
<<
Subj: REAL Underdrive Dampeners
Available!
Date: 10/28/99 6:52:27 AM Pacific Daylight
Time
From: xwing@execpc.com (xwing)
Reply-to:
xwing@execpc.com
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com (Sirius
3000GT Mail List),
stealth@starnet.net (stealth@starnet.net)
REAL
underdrive harmonic dampeners, that ACTUALLY DAMPEN
harmonics like the stock
crankshaft dampener (unlike the junk IMO
Unorthodox
"PULLEY") are newly available from
Dave Buschur in Ohio! I
had prodded him into making them, and they
have taken a long time to get
made, but here we are...
They are NHRA legal so if any weenies complain
you are going too fast
with stock dampener you can tell them to shut their
pieholes.
Because are underdrive, the require a slightly shorter pulley
belt,
which
will have to be determined (Dave doesn't have a 3000/Stealth
there to
model it on).
I am getting mine; there are 4 more
available/in stock now; I'd
suggest Art Shevack, Mike Mahaffey, and the other
leading
edge people consider it for sure; and anybody wanting
an
underdrive that still does the MAIN job, DAMPENING!
Cost is about $345
or so, very reasonable for such a device
especially custom...
Save Your
Crank and Bearings by contacting Dave at
website
buschurracing.com
phone 1-440-839-1900
>>
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 28 09:53:45 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id JAA17295
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:53:45 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id JAA17288
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:53:42 -0700
(PDT)
From: Aso8@aol.com
Received: from Aso8@aol.com
by
imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id uFWTa29482 (3849);
Thu, 28 Oct 1999
12:53:14 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <0.951d584e.2549d979@aol.com>
Date:
Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:53:13 EDT
Subject: Team3S: Methanol - Opinions
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
CC: Aso8@aol.com
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer:
Windows AOL sub 41
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Has anyone (Dr.
J.T) considered using Methanol ?
Arty
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Thu Oct 28 10:23:35 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
KAA17907
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:23:35 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com
[205.188.157.40])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
KAA17900
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999
10:23:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Aso8@aol.com
Received: from Aso8@aol.com
by
imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id uTRK0KO23Z (4365);
Thu, 28 Oct 1999
13:23:08 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <0.f216cb8.2549e07c@aol.com>
Date:
Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:23:08 EDT
Subject: Team3S: "New" Improved
lifters 4 sale
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com, stealth@starnet.net,
stealth@dragnet.com
CC: Aso8@aol.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I had just
bought a full set (24) of the new improved lifters for my 91 VR-4.
These fit
any year car. These are improved with larger oiling holes to
prevent
clogging and lifter noise. They are new still UNOPENED in the bag
from Talla
Mitsu. I''d rather sell them then return them. Anybody interested
I'll take
a fast $225. and I'll ship too.
BTW, I ended up needing solid lifters to
achieve the 1000HP I was after.
Arty 91 VR-4
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Thu Oct 28 11:53:57 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
LAA19800
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:53:57 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from bricks.carlson.com (mail.carlson.com
[208.240.12.67])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
LAA19793
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999
11:53:53 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail.carlson.com (root@localhost)
by
bricks.carlson.com with ESMTP id NAA01402
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:53:50 -0500
(CDT)
Received: from otcmsg07.carlson.com (otcmsg07.carlson.com
[172.24.129.74])
by mail.carlson.com with SMTP id NAA01290
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:53:44 -0500
(CDT)
Received: by otcmsg07.carlson.com with Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
id <40LZV6L2>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:51:52
-0500
Message-ID:
<CB1B2EAE12C5D2119E0000805F9F82210396D7B8@otcmsg09.carlson.com>
From:
"Basol, John" <jbasol@Carlson.com>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Methanol -
Opinions
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:51:31 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
For some reason I seem to remember something about needing a little
more
than 2 times of the amount of methanol verses gasoline to create
a
Stoichiometric A/F ratio. Though, I would imagine it burns A LOT
cooler. I
would check out some books on the subject, might be worth
looking into for a
full race prepped car.
John Basol
System
Management Services
-----Original Message-----
From: Aso8@aol.com
[SMTP:Aso8@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 11:53 AM
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Cc: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Methanol
- Opinions
Has anyone (Dr. J.T) considered using Methanol
?
Arty
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Thu Oct 28 12:11:38 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
MAA20215
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:11:38 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch
[194.158.230.44])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
MAA20201
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999
12:11:33 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from rg (194.230.204.17) by
newmail.spectraweb.ch; 28 Oct 1999 21:07:47 +0200
Message-ID:
<005d01bf2178$00054240$11cce6c2@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<0.4e56cbcf.2549d7f1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: REAL Underdrive
Dampeners Available!
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 20:37:28 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> Sounds like a worthwhile investment to me.
Damn, as
usual, I'm still skeptic and don't see a real gain out of it.
Fortunately,
there is now an UDVP with dampener and this will prevent any
problems. But I
just can't see the gain here. Slowing down the accessories
is ok but do you
guys know how much power they are consuming ?
I once played with such
pulley on the Camaro and some of us really saw a
gain ... 2-5hp. This is
within any tolerances on the dyno and of a few
degrees on the ambient. The
drawback is now a much harder steering for daily
driving, dimming lights
during idleing and slowing down fans at idle as
well. And finally, paying
$345 for a few horses including the side effects
... sorry, but I'm not
amazed regarding the bang of the buck. 15hp gain and
we can speak
about.
If one is building a real race car I'm sure he already throwed
away the AC,
disconnected the alternator and probably drives without power
steering. Even
more he disabled ECS and AWS (if it is possible to disable it)
as well as
ABS.
If one is running 12.5 and then is installing an UDVP
on the same day and
then runs 12.3, I'd say ok, but how much are 5 hp worth
in time ?
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Thu Oct 28 12:11:40 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
MAA20223
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:11:40 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch
[194.158.230.44])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
MAA20205
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999
12:11:34 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from rg (194.230.204.17) by
newmail.spectraweb.ch; 28 Oct 1999 21:07:48 +0200
Message-ID:
<005e01bf2178$007ac060$11cce6c2@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "3/S Sirius Mailing List"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F7669@EXCHANGE1>
<38151F54.41A2564C@u.washington.edu> <38154BA1.AEF94250@execpc.com>
<381640FD.4C55F31D@u.washington.edu>
<00c701bf20b6$60353660$12eee6c2@rg>
<38186AB6.86560081@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 9B, 13G, 15G
relative performances
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 20:59:11 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
8bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> >>4) During our dyno runs the ambient was 50 F deg the
intake temp at the
> >>start of my dyno was 104 deg F and the intake
peak after about 20
seconds
> >>of running at 12 psi was 224 deg
F!!! So I do think that the fan was
not
> >>very
effective. However, I cannot compare this to the real
world,
because
> >>I have not been able to find the proper hill
where I can maintain 12 psi
of
> >>boost in fourth gear.
The most I have been able to maintain was about
10
> >>seconds
which resulted in a peak of 139 deg F.
>
> I would not consider this
difference negligible, and Mike also attributed
it
> to the
effectiveness of the fan. Maybe the numbers you mentioned above
>
(161F and 156F) are temps at idle or at steady cruising? There must
be
> a reason why Mike had such different readings.
We also
discussed about the readings as mine were significantly lower
compared to the
two Stealths and almost the same mods. We thought about the
design
differences of the front bumper as my 93 seemed to have larger
openings than
the 2nd gen Stealths. As the IC are the same we came to the
conclusion that
this must be the larger 13G turbos. At 1 bar the cars have
the same power
although the intake temp was higher on the Stealth than on my
3000GT. We did
not found any bad due to this extremely high intake reading
but for sure on
both turbos the efficiency was not good anymore but mine
resulted in a better
discharge temp.
Ahem, please note that I'm not doing idle tests
;-)
> >>3) If I turn off the car, after fully heating up,
let it sit 10-15
minutes, then
> >>start it back up, the intake
temp is about 20-25 deg above ambient and
it
> >>takes about 10
minutes of HIGHWAY driving to get it back down to 10
> >>degrees
difference. For dragracers that let their cars sit between
runs,
this
> >>is something that you should REALLY be
monitoring.
In reality it is much worser ! I saw a 50°F increase at
90°F ambient.
> > interestingly, noone has maps for 9B, 13G or
even 15G or 17G.
>
> That's too bad. Maybe TEC can provide
them to somebody so we
> can study them.
We already tried TEC and
they say this is secret ... Only Turbonetics is
displaying their maps on
their site. But maybe one has a good link ;-)
> Maybe you might
consider going back to the stock ECU? I'm really
> wondering how
well the gtpro turbos like your 368s (or the 355s which
> Brian says are
better than 15Gs) will compare to the 15Gs. I guess
> I'll just have
to wait and see.
Yes, I'll probably go back as the programs I got from
G-Force are less
powerful than my stock EU ECU or a stock US ECU (I have logs
from all
three). But the less timing causes much lesser knock and I can
somewhat
crank down fuel as well as boost up :-) The rest does the WIS. But I
hacked
the programs and know where to change the maps. I'm just having not
enough
time to do everything :-(
Regarding the 368s .... I'm currentl
calculating around and today it just
looks like one turbo would be enough,
haha. No really, at low rpm it seems
that I run into the surge line but I'm
not yet sure. More calcs to do.
Later
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 28 12:43:05 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id MAA20834
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:43:05 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
matrix.webzone.net (matrix.webzone.net [205.219.23.25])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id MAA20827
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:43:01 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (qmail 608 invoked from network); 28 Oct 1999 14:42:59
-0500
Received: from benson (pm3-33.ppp145.webzone.net
[208.165.100.145])
by
matrix.webzone.net with SMTP; 28 Oct 1999 14:42:59 -0500
Message-ID:
<020f01bf2176$fe166000$10c9c9c9@benson>
From: "Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell" <benson@2015.com>
To: "3000GT
Mailing" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
REAL Underdrive Dampeners Available!
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:02:33
-0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
I have a '95 base 3000gt and have installed an Unorthodox Racing
underdrive
pulley, and I'll swear by it anyday. I've also installed the
K&N air
filter, and I noticed way more improvement after putting the
drive pulley on
than I did with the air-filter (granted, I know the real
improvement with
the K&N will show when I upgrade the exhaust
system). One thing to remember
with the 3000/stealths is that the
alternators on these things are highly
efficient as compared to american
cars. I've heard stories of rustang
owners putting them on and not
having enough power to run the stereo system
properly afterwards
:).
After putting on the pulley, at idle I get just over 12V on the meter
as
opposed to the just over 13V at idle from before. Yes the headlights
are
slightly (and I mean slightly) dimmer during idle than before, but
nothing
else has suffered on the car (the climate system works great, and
being in
Oklahoma where it's hot it does get used often :), and the stock
Infinity
system with the 200 watt power amp still cranks 'em loud 'N proud
with no
dips in power or sound quality). When I actually apply the gas
and start to
drive, then it kicks up to almost 14V on the meter, which is
plenty of juice
to run everything no problems at all.
The moment I
drove it away from the shop with the pulley on I noticed a good
improvement
in power. Before the pulley was put on, the throttle response
was
slightly hesitant (as in I'd push the pedal, and it would take about
a
half-second before the tach really started moving). After putting on
the
pulley, throttle response has become more instant, I'd push the pedal
and
the tach would respond instantly. As to how much specific
horsepower it's
provided I couldn't say exactly since I don't know where to
go to get that
tested, but I know the extra power is there (dropped about .5
seconds off of
my 0-60 times).
whether or not you pick the pulley that
Mr. Tertadian is talking about, or
the Unorthodox one is of course up to you
(I'm assuming that the pulley Mr.
Tertadian is talking about does a little
more than the Unorthodox one,
considering it's over double the price?).
But again, I've enjoyed mine
since I've gotten it, a great affordable upgrade
(cost me about $170 +
installation).
Latufh fuh
U,
Benson
benson@2015.com
"-Do you ever have second
thoughts?
-When do I ever have first thoughts?"
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 28 12:56:21 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id MAA21518
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:56:21 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mx01-ext.netapp.com (mx01-ext.netapp.com [198.95.224.34])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id MAA21511
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:56:18 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (qmail 11633 invoked from network); 28 Oct 1999 20:16:56
-0000
Received: from herra.netapp.com (HELO herra.corp.netapp.com)
(198.95.224.184)
by mx01-ext.netapp.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 1999
20:16:56 -0000
Received: from tahoe.corp.netapp.com (tahoe.corp.netapp.com
[10.10.10.112])
by herra.corp.netapp.com (8.8.7/8.8.7/DTM-GNAC-GW-2.1) with
ESMTP id MAA10284
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct
1999 12:55:55 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by tahoe.corp.netapp.com with Internet
Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id <VL5GZJ5H>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:54:22
-0700
Message-ID:
<242EA98B2B7DD311985A0090277AED510F0BEC@CLEARCREEK.corp.netapp.com>
From:
"Mohler, Jeff" <jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
To: "'3s'"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: New & Improved
lifters?
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:57:32 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Is there a
specific year Mitsu started using these?
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Thu Oct 28 12:57:59 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
MAA21590
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:57:59 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mx01-ext.netapp.com (mx01-ext.netapp.com
[198.95.224.34])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id
MAA21583
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999
12:57:56 -0700 (PDT)
Received: (qmail 16274 invoked from network); 28 Oct
1999 20:18:36 -0000
Received: from herra.netapp.com (HELO
herra.corp.netapp.com) (198.95.224.184)
by mx01-ext.netapp.com with
SMTP; 28 Oct 1999 20:18:36 -0000
Received: from tahoe.corp.netapp.com
(tahoe.corp.netapp.com [10.10.10.112])
by herra.corp.netapp.com
(8.8.7/8.8.7/DTM-GNAC-GW-2.1) with ESMTP id MAA10574;
Thu, 28 Oct 1999
12:57:35 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by tahoe.corp.netapp.com with Internet Mail
Service (5.5.2448.0)
id <VL5GZJ6B>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:56:03
-0700
Message-ID:
<242EA98B2B7DD311985A0090277AED510F0BED@CLEARCREEK.corp.netapp.com>
From:
"Mohler, Jeff" <jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
To:
"'R.G.'" <robby@freesurf.ch>,
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: REAL Underdrive Dampeners
Available!
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:59:14 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Depends, whats
the intertial mass lost by using this in place of stock?
Theres huge
torque increases in reducing the mass of your driveline.
In road racing,
such a MOD would be very very valuable.
-----Original
Message-----
From: R.G. [mailto:robby@freesurf.ch]
Sent: Thursday, October
28, 1999 11:37 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S:
REAL Underdrive Dampeners Available!
> Sounds like a worthwhile
investment to me.
Damn, as usual, I'm still skeptic and don't see a real
gain out of it.
Fortunately, there is now an UDVP with dampener and this will
prevent any
problems. But I just can't see the gain here. Slowing down the
accessories
is ok but do you guys know how much power they are consuming
?
I once played with such pulley on the Camaro and some of us really saw
a
gain ... 2-5hp. This is within any tolerances on the dyno and of a
few
degrees on the ambient. The drawback is now a much harder steering for
daily
driving, dimming lights during idleing and slowing down fans at idle
as
well. And finally, paying $345 for a few horses including the side
effects
... sorry, but I'm not amazed regarding the bang of the buck. 15hp
gain and
we can speak about.
If one is building a real race car I'm
sure he already throwed away the AC,
disconnected the alternator and probably
drives without power steering. Even
more he disabled ECS and AWS (if it is
possible to disable it) as well as
ABS.
If one is running 12.5 and
then is installing an UDVP on the same day and
then runs 12.3, I'd say ok,
but how much are 5 hp worth in time ?
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Thu Oct 28 13:03:10 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
NAA21734
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:03:10 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mx01-ext.netapp.com (mx01-ext.netapp.com
[198.95.224.34])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id
NAA21727
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999
13:03:06 -0700 (PDT)
Received: (qmail 29485 invoked from network); 28 Oct
1999 20:23:46 -0000
Received: from herra.netapp.com (HELO
herra.corp.netapp.com) (198.95.224.184)
by mx01-ext.netapp.com with
SMTP; 28 Oct 1999 20:23:46 -0000
Received: from tahoe.corp.netapp.com
(tahoe.corp.netapp.com [10.10.10.112])
by herra.corp.netapp.com
(8.8.7/8.8.7/DTM-GNAC-GW-2.1) with ESMTP id NAA11370
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:02:45 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by tahoe.corp.netapp.com with Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
id <VL5GZJ84>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:01:13
-0700
Message-ID:
<242EA98B2B7DD311985A0090277AED510F0BEE@CLEARCREEK.corp.netapp.com>
From:
"Mohler, Jeff" <jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: REAL Underdrive Dampeners
Available!
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:04:22 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I gained nearly
35FtLbs in torque, and 11Hp on my 87 Turbo Supra by replacing
the 33lbs OEM
driveshaft with a 21lb one-piece steel shaft, and replacing the
OEM
belt/clutch fan with a Black Magic electric fan.
The driveshaft was about
90% of the torque gain and 0 HP gain, the fan was the
remaining torque and
all HP gain.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mohler, Jeff
[mailto:jeff.mohler@netapp.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 12:59
PM
To: 'R.G.'; stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: REAL
Underdrive Dampeners Available!
Depends, whats the intertial mass
lost by using this in place of stock?
Theres huge torque increases in
reducing the mass of your driveline.
In road racing, such a MOD would be
very very valuable.
-----Original Message-----
From: R.G.
[mailto:robby@freesurf.ch]
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 11:37 AM
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: REAL Underdrive Dampeners
Available!
> Sounds like a worthwhile investment to
me.
Damn, as usual, I'm still skeptic and don't see a real gain out of
it.
Fortunately, there is now an UDVP with dampener and this will prevent
any
problems. But I just can't see the gain here. Slowing down the
accessories
is ok but do you guys know how much power they are consuming
?
I once played with such pulley on the Camaro and some of us really saw
a
gain ... 2-5hp. This is within any tolerances on the dyno and of a
few
degrees on the ambient. The drawback is now a much harder steering for
daily
driving, dimming lights during idleing and slowing down fans at idle
as
well. And finally, paying $345 for a few horses including the side
effects
... sorry, but I'm not amazed regarding the bang of the buck. 15hp
gain and
we can speak about.
If one is building a real race car I'm
sure he already throwed away the AC,
disconnected the alternator and probably
drives without power steering. Even
more he disabled ECS and AWS (if it is
possible to disable it) as well as
ABS.
If one is running 12.5 and
then is installing an UDVP on the same day and
then runs 12.3, I'd say ok,
but how much are 5 hp worth in time ?
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 28 13:19:15 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id NAA21910
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:19:15 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
matrix.webzone.net (matrix.webzone.net [205.219.23.25])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id NAA21903
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:19:12 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (qmail 2833 invoked from network); 28 Oct 1999 15:19:02
-0500
Received: from benson (pm3-37.ppp131.webzone.net
[208.165.99.131])
by
matrix.webzone.net with SMTP; 28 Oct 1999 15:19:02 -0500
Message-ID:
<022901bf217c$07f018a0$10c9c9c9@benson>
From: "Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell" <benson@2015.com>
To: "3000GT
Mailing" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
REAL Underdrive Dampeners Available!
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:30:28
-0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
>Depends, whats the intertial mass lost by using this in place of
stock?
>Theres huge torque increases in reducing the mass of your
driveline.
>In road racing, such a MOD would be very very
valuable.
There's a big difference. I still have my stock pulley at
home, I can take
a picture of it if anybody is interested in seeing what it
looks like (but
I'm not taking off the Unorthodox one since I can't get to it
now ;). But
the Unorthodox pulley is about half the size of the
original, and definately
weighs a lot less (probably a lighterweight
material, and it's less 'solid'
meaning that if you've seen a picture of
one
it's not completely solid filled if that makes any sense the way I
described
it :).
Latufh fuh
U,
Benson
benson@2015.com
"-Do you ever have second
thoughts?
-When do I ever have first thoughts?"
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 28 13:19:41 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id NAA21973
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:19:41 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
refuge.Colorado.EDU (monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU [128.138.196.2])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id NAA21966
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:19:36 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from localhost (monarchd@localhost)
by refuge.Colorado.EDU
(8.9.3/8.9.3/UnixOps+Hesiod (PDH)) with SMTP id OAA10359
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:19:32 -0600
(MDT)
Message-Id:
<199910282019.OAA10359@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
X-Authentication-Warning:
refuge.Colorado.EDU: monarchd@localhost didn't use HELO protocol
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: straightening intercooler (or
radiator) fins
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:19:32 -0600
From: Dave Monarchi
<monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Does anyone
know any great tricks for this? both of my ICs have a sizable
area of
mangled fins, and I don't relish the thought of spending hours
straightening
every one individually..
thanks!
Dave
95 Black
3000GT VR4
87 Mica Red GTI G60
r
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Thu Oct 28 13:22:45 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
NAA22175
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:22:45 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mx01-ext.netapp.com (mx01-ext.netapp.com
[198.95.224.34])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id
NAA22168
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999
13:22:42 -0700 (PDT)
Received: (qmail 18826 invoked from network); 28 Oct
1999 20:43:22 -0000
Received: from herra.netapp.com (HELO
herra.corp.netapp.com) (198.95.224.184)
by mx01-ext.netapp.com with
SMTP; 28 Oct 1999 20:43:22 -0000
Received: from tahoe.corp.netapp.com
(tahoe.corp.netapp.com [10.10.10.112])
by herra.corp.netapp.com
(8.8.7/8.8.7/DTM-GNAC-GW-2.1) with ESMTP id NAA14622;
Thu, 28 Oct 1999
13:22:21 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by tahoe.corp.netapp.com with Internet Mail
Service (5.5.2448.0)
id <VL5GZK2N>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:20:48
-0700
Message-ID:
<242EA98B2B7DD311985A0090277AED510F0BF3@CLEARCREEK.corp.netapp.com>
From:
"Mohler, Jeff" <jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
To: "'Dave
Monarchi'"
<monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>,
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: straightening intercooler
(or radiator) fins
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:23:54 -0700
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I used a wood
ice-cream stick.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Monarchi
[mailto:monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU]
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 1:20
PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: straightening
intercooler (or radiator) fins
Does anyone know any great tricks
for this? both of my ICs have a sizable
area of mangled fins, and I
don't relish the thought of spending hours
straightening every one
individually..
thanks!
Dave
95 Black 3000GT
VR4
87 Mica Red GTI G60
r
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Thu Oct 28 14:59:31 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
OAA23803
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:59:31 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from exchange1.bigcharts.com (exchange1.BigCharts.com
[206.146.143.5])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
OAA23796
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999
14:59:28 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
id <VXNFR3Y5>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:59:26
-0500
Message-ID:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F76AE@EXCHANGE1>
From: Matt Jannusch
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To: 3000GT Mailing
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: REAL Underdrive
Dampeners Available!
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:59:25 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> I have a
'95 base 3000gt and have installed an Unorthodox
> Racing underdrive
pulley, and I'll swear by it anyday.
Hmm, you'll be swearing AT it when
your main bearings are shot.
> whether or not you pick the pulley that
Mr. Tertadian is
> talking about, or the Unorthodox one is of course up
to
> you (I'm assuming that the pulley Mr. Tertadian is
> talking
about does a little more than the Unorthodox one,
> considering it's over
double the price?). But again, I've
> enjoyed mine since I've
gotten it, a great affordable
> upgrade (cost me about $170 +
installation).
The Buschur pulleys contain a torsional damper assembly
(essentially a section of rubber connecting the two halves of the pulley).
This allows the pulley to act as a damper against the harmonic vibrations in the
crankshaft caused by the cylinders firing. It is very important to keep
the harmonics damped in some fashion to prevent bearing damage. Of course,
the Unorthodox folks will say that the accessories provide this damping, which
is completely false as a counterweight is required to perform the damping
action. The counterweight is supplied by the rubber section allowing the
pulley to twist and let the inertia of the outer pulley ring counteract the
torsional flex of the crank.
Anyways...
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder
VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 28 15:05:19 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id PAA23898
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:05:19 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mx01-ext.netapp.com (mx01-ext.netapp.com [198.95.224.34])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id PAA23889
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:05:16 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (qmail 15714 invoked from network); 28 Oct 1999 22:25:58
-0000
Received: from herra.netapp.com (HELO herra.corp.netapp.com)
(198.95.224.184)
by mx01-ext.netapp.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 1999
22:25:58 -0000
Received: from tahoe.corp.netapp.com (tahoe.corp.netapp.com
[10.10.10.112])
by herra.corp.netapp.com (8.8.7/8.8.7/DTM-GNAC-GW-2.1) with
ESMTP id PAA04223;
Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:04:54 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by
tahoe.corp.netapp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id
<VL5GZMND>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:03:22 -0700
Message-ID:
<242EA98B2B7DD311985A0090277AED510F0BFD@CLEARCREEK.corp.netapp.com>
From:
"Mohler, Jeff" <jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
To: "'Matt
Jannusch'"
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>,
3000GT
Mailing
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: REAL
Underdrive Dampeners Available!
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:06:34
-0700
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
The Supra list I
read refuses to belive this as well.
Some users have had "odd"
wear on #1 main bearing set when a non-related rebuild
time came up, and
others report no problems over the last few years.
Let me insert a
message from that list, with some Supra related date (thats
relevant here in
sprit as well)
---
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:12:27 -0600
From: Reg
Riemer <supras@home.com>
To: "mkiv@mkiv.com List"
<mkiv@mkiv.com>
Subject: underdrive pulley's ver's Toyota
Stock
Correct Guys. Rob and Bryce are tack on here. Toyota
uses Dual mode damper
pulley designs in all their engines. The factory
stock pulley is designed
to absorb both torsional and bending lateral
vibration from the crankshaft.
The factory stock pulley helps the
crankshaft deal with high vibration in
the 400 Hz range after the #1 piston
fires. Overall this has many benefits
on the bottom end. It helps
the crank deal with high continuous loads as
well as overall bearing life,
not to mention overall engine life. Also the
driveline will have a more
pleasing sound with very little 400Hz vibe's
setting up.
Don't
remove the stock crank pulley on any of your toyota turbo or
NA
engine's. To replace the factory engineered pulley with something
made by a
person or company that does not understand the complete engine
design will
hurt the performance/reliability of your Toyota not help
it.
Cheers guys.
Reg Riemer
\
SONiC
Supra
Owner Network in Canada
See the SONiC web site
@
www.supras.com/~riemer/sonic/sonic.htm
/
-----Original
Message-----
From: Matt Jannusch [mailto:MAJ@BigCharts.com]
Sent:
Thursday, October 28, 1999 2:59 PM
To: 3000GT Mailing
Subject: RE: Team3S:
REAL Underdrive Dampeners Available!
> I have a '95 base 3000gt
and have installed an Unorthodox
> Racing underdrive pulley, and I'll
swear by it anyday.
Hmm, you'll be swearing AT it when your main bearings
are shot.
> whether or not you pick the pulley that Mr. Tertadian is
> talking about, or the Unorthodox one is of course up to
> you
(I'm assuming that the pulley Mr. Tertadian is
> talking about does a
little more than the Unorthodox one,
> considering it's over double the
price?). But again, I've
> enjoyed mine since I've gotten it, a
great affordable
> upgrade (cost me about $170 + installation).
The
Buschur pulleys contain a torsional damper assembly (essentially a section
of
rubber connecting the two halves of the pulley). This allows the pulley
to
act as a damper against the harmonic vibrations in the crankshaft caused
by the
cylinders firing. It is very important to keep the harmonics
damped in some
fashion to prevent bearing damage. Of course, the
Unorthodox folks will say
that the accessories provide this damping, which is
completely false as a
counterweight is required to perform the damping
action. The counterweight is
supplied by the rubber section allowing
the pulley to twist and let the inertia
of the outer pulley ring counteract
the torsional flex of the crank.
Anyways...
-Matt
'95 3000GT
Spyder VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Thu Oct 28 16:33:19 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
QAA25572
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:33:19 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com
[207.46.181.18])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
QAA25565
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999
16:33:16 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from nutrend - 63.25.157.192 by email.msn.com
with Microsoft SMTPSVC;
Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:32:56 -0700
Message-ID:
<003f01bf219b$7d0e4d40$c09d193f@nutrend>
From: "Michael
McWilliams" <CelMike@email.msn.com>
To: "Sirius 3000GT Mail
List" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: 13G vs
15G
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:23:46 -0400
X-Priority:
3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express
4.72.3110.1
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Well, my rear
turbo is shot so it looks like its upgrade time! I'm trying
to weigh
the pros and cons of 13G vs 15G turbos (cost aside). My existing
mods
are: K&N, gutted pre-cats, ATR Eliminator downpipe, ATR cat-back,
Hallman
boost controller, Magnecore wires, NGK plugs @.34
While I may take the
car to the strip every once in a while, this car is my
daily driver.
I'm leaning towards the 15Gs, but I'm curious to hear your
opinions. Is
there that big of a lag difference between the two upgrades?
I don't mind a
little more lag than stock, just as long as it doesn't really
mess up the
streetability of the car. Has anyone out there installed the
15Gs in
their street car and wished they'd gone with 13Gs instead?
Thanks for any
input.
BTW, I DO plan on upgrading the fuel system and adding water
injection at
some point.
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Thu Oct 28 16:54:49 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
QAA26103
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:54:49 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mailgw00.execpc.com (sendmail@mailgw00.execpc.com
[169.207.1.78])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
QAA26096
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999
16:54:46 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from pop03.execpc.com (pop03.execpc.com
[169.207.1.82])
by mailgw00.execpc.com (8.9.1) id SAA21467
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 18:54:44
-0500
Received: from execpc.com (xeros-2-71.mdm.mke.execpc.com
[169.207.68.71]) by pop03.execpc.com (8.8.8) id SAA15622 for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 18:54:43
-0500
Message-ID: <3818E179.CA9DC0AB@execpc.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct
1999 18:51:21 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Reply-To:
xwing@execpc.com
Organization: Exec-PC
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95;
U)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Sirius 3000GT Mail List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Methanol -
Opinions
References: <0.951d584e.2549d979@aol.com>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Nope. Then
I couldn't drive it around, I do NOT need another
race-only car! They
stink, eat up rubber and aluminum etc...
just not for
me.
Jack
Aso8@aol.com wrote:
> Has anyone (Dr. J.T)
considered using Methanol ?
> Arty
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 28 17:17:11 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id RAA26520
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 17:17:11 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
matrix.webzone.net (matrix.webzone.net [205.219.23.25])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id RAA26513
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 17:17:08 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (qmail 20538 invoked from network); 28 Oct 1999 19:17:05
-0500
Received: from benson (pm3-37.ppp131.webzone.net
[208.165.99.131])
by
matrix.webzone.net with SMTP; 28 Oct 1999 19:17:05 -0500
Message-ID:
<026601bf219d$4651a0c0$10c9c9c9@benson>
From: "Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell" <benson@2015.com>
To: "3000GT
Mailing" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
REAL Underdrive Dampeners Available!
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 18:36:33
-0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
I emailed and asked Matt over at www.dynamicracing1.com (an
online
store/site dedicated to 3000/stealth performance) about the
Unorthodox
pulley's causing bearing problems because of not having a damper
on it. He
says as far as he knows all the bad press around the
Unorthodox pulley's is
speculation at best, but there's no hard evidence that
has linked motor
failures to them. He's currently had his on his
Stealth TT for about 2 1/2
years now, and his partner Dan about 2 months less
than that with no
problems at all (and matt drives his car hard, doing shifts
at about 7500
rpm (he's raised the rev limiter)). He's also said that
he's sold 100's of
them and hasn't received one single complaint about them
either.
If something ever happens to my car as a direct result of it I'll
definately
let you guys know about it, but 2 1/2 years is good long time to
'field
test' a part for potential problems :). Take from this what ya
will of
course, but I'm still happy with my purchase :).
Latufh
fuh U,
Benson
benson@2015.com
"-Do you ever have second
thoughts?
-When do I ever have first thoughts?"
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 28 17:24:32 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id RAA26851
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 17:24:32 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
exchange1.bigcharts.com (exchange1.BigCharts.com [206.146.143.5])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id RAA26844
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 17:24:29 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id
<VXNFRP3J>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:24:28 -0500
Message-ID:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F76B1@EXCHANGE1>
From: Matt Jannusch
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To: 3000GT Mailing
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: REAL Underdrive
Dampeners Available!
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:24:26 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> I emailed
and asked Matt over at www.dynamicracing1.com (an online
> store/site
dedicated to 3000/stealth performance) about the Unorthodox
> pulley's
causing bearing problems because of not having a
> damper on it. He
says as far as he knows all the bad press around
> the Unorthodox pulley's
is speculation at best, but there's no hard
> evidence that has linked
motor failures to them.
Buschur Racing made comments about there being
excessive main bearing wear on their cars that used the Unorthodox
pulleys. I'd imagine that not a lot of people tear down their motors as
often as they do, and therefore never see the damage. They haven't been
out that long, so its hard to tell what the long-term effects of them are.
All I know is that it is difficult to ignore the laws of physics.
Your
mileage may vary, as always...
No Unorthodox pulleys on any of my*
cars...
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Thu Oct 28 19:41:09 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
TAA28823
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:41:09 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail2.kscable.com (fe2.rdc-kc.rr.com
[24.94.163.49])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
TAA28816
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999
19:41:06 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from kscable.com ([24.94.213.224]) by
mail2.kscable.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19);
Thu, 28 Oct
1999 21:33:04 -0500
Message-ID:
<38190940.19CC934B@kscable.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 21:41:04
-0500
From: Trevor James <Trevor@kscable.com>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7
[en] (Win98; I)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Sirius
3000GT Mail List <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Tach
dropping off to 0 at WOT....
References:
<38185432.9FE2082F@execpc.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
At WOT my tach
will just fall to 0 and bounce between what it should read and
0...The
dealerships had the car since Tues morn and they can get it to
duplicate, just don't
know where to start looking to fix it. Seems like it
does it more when underhood temps
are high. Any Ideas????
96 R/T TT
(HKS EVC IV@1.00Bar, Plugs@.034", Accel Wires, Borla, K&N FIPK)
92
GMC Typhoon
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Thu
Oct 28 19:52:29 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id TAA29017
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:52:29 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mx02.gis.net (mail2.gis.net [208.218.130.7])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id TAA29010
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:52:26 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from monster (dialup-209.244.135.42.Providence1.Level3.net
[209.244.135.42]) by mx02.gis.net (8.8.8/8.8.8+pyrd) with SMTP id WAA04879 for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:52:22 -0400
(EDT)
Message-ID: <007601bf21b8$99cb4d80$140100b6@monster>
Reply-To:
"Gil Gomes" <gil@warpedweb.com>
From: "Gil Gomes"
<gil@warpedweb.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: weird noises when
cold...
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:52:10 -0400
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3612.1700
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
I've noticed, recently, that when my '95 3KGT
base is cold I hear this
pretty strange
noise emanating from the passenger
side front. It's a rather fast thump..
thump... thump
sound that
goes away as the car warms up. I tend to think it might be
the
strut. It almost
sounds like the strut is binding. I
bought the car in April and only
recently has the weather
been cold enough
for this problem to pop up. Once I've gone a few miles...
the sound
just
plain disappears. Any ideas? The sound isn't all that loud,
and it's
almost sub-sonic.
-R
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 29 05:26:03 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
FAA07104
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 05:26:03 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch
[194.158.230.44])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
FAA07097
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999
05:25:50 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from RGERL012599000 (216.131.138.67) by
newmail.spectraweb.ch; 29 Oct 1999 14:21:51 +0200
Message-ID:
<002401bf2208$d67dbab0$438a83d8@peoplesoft.com>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "Sirius 3000GT Mail List"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<38185432.9FE2082F@execpc.com>
<38190940.19CC934B@kscable.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tach dropping off
to 0 at WOT....
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:25:57 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
X-Priority:
3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express
5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from
base64 to 8bit by list.sirius.com id FAA07098
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Trevor,
> At WOT my tach will just fall to 0 and bounce
between what it should read and 0...The
> dealerships had the car since
Tues morn and they can get it to duplicate, just don't
> know where to
start looking to fix it. Seems like it does it more when underhood temps
>
are high. Any Ideas????
I'd start at the wires first ! Due to the design
of the ignition stuff, you "might" get problems with differnet wires.
The already heard bad stories about the Accel ones and that they may cause a
short when touching the heads (Camaro buddies reported this). With "low
resistance" wires, the current flowing through the power tranistors can get
higher and this causes the tach sensor in the same case to be irritated. I got
almost the same problem when I tested the B&M ignition amplifier as the tach
jumped around the 3000 mark due to the increased power. The current is not that
high with my Magnecors as their resistance is much higher than the Accel ones.
The problem can really be related to temperatures as the wires will heat up
too.
Good luck
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 29 05:59:53 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
FAA07556
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 05:59:53 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch
[194.158.230.44])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
FAA07547
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999
05:59:29 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from RGERL012599000 (216.131.138.67) by
newmail.spectraweb.ch; 29 Oct 1999 14:54:59 +0200
Message-ID:
<002f01bf220d$77606af0$438a83d8@peoplesoft.com>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "3000GT Mailing"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<026601bf219d$4651a0c0$10c9c9c9@benson>
Subject: Re: Team3S: REAL
Underdrive Dampeners Available!
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:59:12
+0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
X-Priority:
3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express
5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from
base64 to 8bit by list.sirius.com id FAA07550
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> says as far
as he knows all the bad press around the Unorthodox pulley's is
>
speculation at best, but there's no hard evidence that has linked motor
>
failures to them. He's currently had his on his Stealth TT for about 2
1/2
> years now, and his partner Dan about 2 months less than that with
no
> problems at all (and matt drives his car hard, doing shifts at about
7500
> rpm (he's raised the rev limiter)). He's also said that he's
sold 100's of
> them and hasn't received one single complaint about them
either.
Yes, if I want to sell stuff I also would say that I sold
hundereds of them. But hey, it's the only pulley they have to sell :-) For the
knowledge on our cars, dynamic-racing are not the first address to talk to. They
sell parts and know what is sold good and what bad.
AFAIK, there is no
report on a 3S cars with broken parts that are related to the UDVP. I often
thought about the pulleys and always ended in the decision NOT to put any more
stress on my crankshaft ! Therefore, if one REALLY wants to spend so much money
for a pulley then he should go with the dampened version.
If one is
really wanting to know what power a pulley makes, test it on the track, the same
day (should be possible) and we'll know !
> If something ever happens
to my car as a direct result of it I'll definately
> let you guys know
about it, but 2 1/2 years is good long time to 'field
> test' a part for
potential problems :). Take from this what ya will of
> course, but
I'm still happy with my purchase :).
I didn't knew Matt had his car for 2
1/2 year now as well as the pulley was available then. I started some long time
ago with tunign the car and I firstly heard of the pulley about 1 1/2 years ago.
But I may be wrong ;-)
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 29 06:58:34 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id GAA08703
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 06:58:34 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
exchange1.bigcharts.com (exchange1.BigCharts.com [206.146.143.5])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id GAA08674
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 06:58:28 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id
<VXNFSJCJ>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:58:27 -0500
Message-ID:
<6C09D9B03136D31183980090276269655F76B7@EXCHANGE1>
From: Matt Jannusch
<MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To: 3000GT Mailing
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: REAL Underdrive
Dampeners Available!
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:58:26 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
> I didn't
knew Matt had his car for 2 1/2 year now as well as
> the pulley was
available then. I started some long time ago
> with tunign the car and I
firstly heard of the pulley about 1
> 1/2 years ago. But I may be wrong
;-)
I also noticed on their site that none of their customers on their
customers page, nor the two owners, have done anything with engine internals to
the point where they would see the crank bearings. Therefore, no
first-hand knowledge. I freely admit I have no first-hand knowledge
either, but I also know there's a real good reason that Mitsu uses the damping
pulleys and understand the physics behind the reason.
Their prices are
pretty good though... I'm thinking about getting my turbos (probably 15G),
SplitSecond, 550cc injectors and fuel pump from them in the
spring.
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 29 07:17:56 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
HAA09692
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 07:17:56 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from riven.plaza.ds.adp.com ([139.126.16.128])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id HAA09683
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 07:17:52 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from exchange04.plaza.ds.adp.com ([139.126.124.14]) by
riven.plaza.ds.adp.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA15965; Fri, 29 Oct 1999
07:17:19 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by exchange04.plaza.ds.adp.com with Internet
Mail Service (5.5.2232.9)
id <VW28JYG5>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 07:18:17
-0700
Message-ID:
<2B6D2E7F9E0AD311AB0500805FB7ECD00F422D@exchange01.plaza.ds.adp.com>
From:
Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
To: "'Michael
McWilliams'" <CelMike@email.msn.com>
Cc: Sirius 3000GT Mail List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: 13G vs
15G
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 07:17:09 -0700
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer:
Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
Michael...
I went straight from 9Bs to 15Gs. I'm not sure why
someone would do it
differently (unless their car came with 13Gs, like
Roger's). The airflow
improvement is significant, and I've experienced NO
loss in streetability as
a result of that (and associated) mods (see list
below). The only thing I
would do different is skip the G-Force ECU mod. It
has been a royal PITA and
I'm in the process of having Robert send me a
jumper to eliminate his
daughter board for comparison testing.
Oh,
well..."maybe", given the intake test results recently published,
I
"might" buy a K&N versus the HKS if I was doing it
again.
Looking forward...Chris
1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4 (w/HKS
Super Flo intake, TEC 15G turbos, bored
and polished throttle body, RC 560cc
injectors, HKS fuel pump, GReddy PRofec
A boost controller, G-force ECU
upgrade, HKS SBOV, custom intercoolers,
Predator dry cell battery, Magnecore
8.5mm wires, NGK double platinum plugs
gapped at .030", ATR downpipe and
test pipe, GReddy catback exhaust, GReddy
turbo timer, Eibach 1" drop
progressive springs, Michelin SX MXX3 Pilots)
-----Original
Message-----
From: Michael McWilliams [mailto:CelMike@email.msn.com]
Sent:
Thursday, October 28, 1999 4:24 PM
To: Sirius 3000GT Mail List
Subject:
Team3S: 13G vs 15G
<snip>
While I may take the car to the
strip every once in a while, this car is my
daily driver. I'm leaning
towards the 15Gs, but I'm curious to hear your
opinions. Is there that
big of a lag difference between the two upgrades?
I don't mind a little more
lag than stock, just as long as it doesn't really
mess up the streetability
of the car. Has anyone out there installed the
15Gs in their street car
and wished they'd gone with 13Gs instead?
Thanks for any
input.
BTW, I DO plan on upgrading the fuel system and adding water
injection at
some point.
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 29 08:11:28 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id IAA11444
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:11:28 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail1.sirius.com (mail1.sirius.com [205.134.253.131])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id IAA11437
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:11:25 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from forrest (ppp-asfm07-110.sirius.net
[205.134.241.110])
by mail1.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id
IAA35819;
Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:11:19 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
<01a601bf221f$be4114d0$6ef186cd@forrest.sirius.com>
From: "Bob
Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
To: "Dave"
<monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>,
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: K&N - best
price?
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:09:35 -0700
X-Priority:
3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express
4.72.3612.1700
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3612.1700
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
-----Original Message-----From: Dave
<monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
>I figured I'd try to redeem myself
by asking a (slightly) more
relevant
>question.. I want to get a
FIPK/Aircharger/whatever tomorrow, (or
at
>least order one) and
wondering if anyone has found any smokin'
deals..
>
>I found one
ad in Sport Compact Car that listed a special on the
Aircharger
>for a
2nd gen Eclipse for $79. (I'm aware of the filter size
and
L-bracket
>issues.) Do any of you know of any other
deals? Is the consensus
still
>that that K&N works best or at
least as good as others?
You've probably ordered it by now, but in case
you haven't, I'd like
to recommend that you get the FIPK or equivalent.
And the
Aircharger is not what I'd call an equivalent. It's a much
smaller
unit, which I've tried, and it seems just fine, but the
difference
in surface area is enough that I'm convinced it flows much less
air
than the FIPK. Further, the FIPK is the only one which comes with
a
numbered CARB sticker, which can make a difference when emissions
time
comes around (whether you're in California or not). I was told
by an
emissions tech that they know their cars and recognize when an
aftermarket
filter is under the hood. If you're borderline in
emissions it may mean
the difference between pass or fail. The
FIPKs go for between $140 and
$150, only $60 to $70 more than the
Aircharger on sale. If it flows
twice as much air than the
Aircharger, that seems like a small price to pay
for the best.
Get the FIPK.
Best,
Forrest
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 29 08:21:25 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id IAA11722
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:21:25 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
ns.cfsmo.honeywell.com (ns.cfsmo.honeywell.com [137.16.15.101])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id IAA11715
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:21:21 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail-eng.cfsmo.honeywell.com
(mail-auto.cfsmo.honeywell.com [137.16.159.114])
by ns.cfsmo.honeywell.com
(8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA12517;
Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:20:59 -0500
(CDT)
Received: from mn51mail.cfsmo.honeywell.com
(mn51mail.cfsmo.honeywell.com [137.16.31.4])
by mail-eng.cfsmo.honeywell.com
(8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03641;
Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:20:59 -0500
(CDT)
Received: by mn51mail2.cfsmo.honeywell.com with Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
id <VBGPAMR3>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:21:00
-0500
Message-ID:
<3FED573F5E70D111A11900805F15163F02988147@mn51mail2.cfsmo.honeywell.com>
From:
"Wendlandt, Mark (MN51)" <MWendlan@cfsmo.honeywell.com>
To:
"'Bob Forrest'" <bf@bobforrest.com>, Dave
<monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>,
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: K&N - best
price?
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:20:59 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Sorry for the
correction Bob, but the Aircharger is about twice as BIG as
the FIPK
filter. It is longer(you will not be able to mount your DSBC
solenoid
in the usual place) and is bigger around. This can only lead to
more
potential air flow. Some members in our club have actually switched
to
the Aircharger from the FIPK with positive results(seen at the drag
strip).
If you are not concerned with the C.A.R.B sticker, I would go
with the
Aircharger(if you can still find one...I heard that they stopped
making
them) for $80-90 bucks.
The differences in mounting are
trivial.
Mark Wendlandt
'91RT/TT
www.mn3s.org
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mark
Wendlandt Honeywell CASSPO-Inertial Support
Phone:
612-957-3736 Pager:
612-601-0881
Email:
Mark.Wendlandt@cfsmo.honeywell.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-----Original
Message-----
From: Bob Forrest [mailto:bf@bobforrest.com]
Sent: Friday,
October 29, 1999 10:10 AM
To: Dave;
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: K&N - best
price?
-----Original Message-----From: Dave
<monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
>I figured I'd try to redeem myself
by asking a (slightly) more
relevant
>question.. I want to get a
FIPK/Aircharger/whatever tomorrow, (or
at
>least order one) and
wondering if anyone has found any smokin'
deals..
>
>I found one
ad in Sport Compact Car that listed a special on the
Aircharger
>for a
2nd gen Eclipse for $79. (I'm aware of the filter size
and
L-bracket
>issues.) Do any of you know of any other
deals? Is the consensus
still
>that that K&N works best or at
least as good as others?
You've probably ordered it by now, but in case
you haven't, I'd like
to recommend that you get the FIPK or equivalent.
And the
Aircharger is not what I'd call an equivalent. It's a much
smaller
unit, which I've tried, and it seems just fine, but the
difference
in surface area is enough that I'm convinced it flows much less
air
than the FIPK. Further, the FIPK is the only one which comes with
a
numbered CARB sticker, which can make a difference when emissions
time
comes around (whether you're in California or not). I was told
by an
emissions tech that they know their cars and recognize when an
aftermarket
filter is under the hood. If you're borderline in
emissions it may mean
the difference between pass or fail. The
FIPKs go for between $140 and
$150, only $60 to $70 more than the
Aircharger on sale. If it flows
twice as much air than the
Aircharger, that seems like a small price to pay
for the best.
Get the FIPK.
Best,
Forrest
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 29 08:31:33 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
IAA11936
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:31:33 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mx01-ext.netapp.com (mx01-ext.netapp.com
[198.95.224.34])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id
IAA11929
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999
08:31:29 -0700 (PDT)
Received: (qmail 1765 invoked from network); 29 Oct 1999
15:52:30 -0000
Received: from herra.netapp.com (HELO herra.corp.netapp.com)
(198.95.224.184)
by mx01-ext.netapp.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 1999
15:52:30 -0000
Received: from tahoe.corp.netapp.com (tahoe.corp.netapp.com
[10.10.10.112])
by herra.corp.netapp.com (8.8.7/8.8.7/DTM-GNAC-GW-2.1) with
ESMTP id IAA14735;
Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:31:08 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by
tahoe.corp.netapp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
id
<VL5GZT90>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:29:34 -0700
Message-ID:
<242EA98B2B7DD311985A0090277AED510F0C0D@CLEARCREEK.corp.netapp.com>
From:
"Mohler, Jeff" <jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
To: "'Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell'"
<benson@2015.com>,
3000GT
Mailing
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: REAL
Underdrive Dampeners Available!
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:32:46
-0700
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Because nobody
has had a problem..is immaterial.
The physics and experience from the V8
world around an un-dampened pulley is
fact regardless of who built the
motor.
-----Original Message-----
From: Benson "elmagoo"
Russell [mailto:benson@2015.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 4:37
PM
To: 3000GT Mailing
Subject: RE: Team3S: REAL Underdrive Dampeners
Available!
I emailed and asked Matt over at www.dynamicracing1.com
(an online
store/site dedicated to 3000/stealth performance) about the
Unorthodox
pulley's causing bearing problems because of not having a damper
on it. He
says as far as he knows all the bad press around the
Unorthodox pulley's is
speculation at best, but there's no hard evidence that
has linked motor
failures to them. He's currently had his on his
Stealth TT for about 2 1/2
years now, and his partner Dan about 2 months less
than that with no
problems at all (and matt drives his car hard, doing shifts
at about 7500
rpm (he's raised the rev limiter)). He's also said that
he's sold 100's of
them and hasn't received one single complaint about them
either.
If something ever happens to my car as a direct result of it I'll
definately
let you guys know about it, but 2 1/2 years is good long time to
'field
test' a part for potential problems :). Take from this what ya
will of
course, but I'm still happy with my purchase :).
Latufh
fuh U,
Benson
benson@2015.com
"-Do you ever have second
thoughts?
-When do I ever have first thoughts?"
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 29 08:32:54 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
IAA11999
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:32:54 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mx01-ext.netapp.com (mx01-ext.netapp.com
[198.95.224.34])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id
IAA11992
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999
08:32:51 -0700 (PDT)
Received: (qmail 13816 invoked from network); 29 Oct
1999 15:53:51 -0000
Received: from herra.netapp.com (HELO
herra.corp.netapp.com) (198.95.224.184)
by mx01-ext.netapp.com with
SMTP; 29 Oct 1999 15:53:51 -0000
Received: from tahoe.corp.netapp.com
(tahoe.corp.netapp.com [10.10.10.112])
by herra.corp.netapp.com
(8.8.7/8.8.7/DTM-GNAC-GW-2.1) with ESMTP id IAA14985
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:32:30 -0700
(PDT)
Received: by tahoe.corp.netapp.com with Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2448.0)
id <VL5GZT05>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:30:56
-0700
Message-ID:
<242EA98B2B7DD311985A0090277AED510F0C0E@CLEARCREEK.corp.netapp.com>
From:
"Mohler, Jeff" <jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
To: "'3s'"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Throttle sticking at
WOT
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:34:03 -0700
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer:
Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Twice now, Ive
been in a street situation where my throttle has STUCk wide open.
Ive
eliminated carpet as a culprit, and will be taking car to the dealer
soon
(Monday) for diagnosis.
Thoughts?
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 29 08:48:04 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id IAA12376
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:48:04 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id IAA12366
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:48:00 -0700
(PDT)
From: TurboDrvn@aol.com
Received: from TurboDrvn@aol.com
by
imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id pFSJa11027 (3941);
Fri, 29 Oct 1999
11:46:58 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <0.4c539231.254b1b72@aol.com>
Date:
Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:46:58 EDT
Subject: Re: Team3S: Throttle sticking at
WOT
To: jeff.mohler@netapp.com,
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer:
Windows AOL sub 44
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
In a message
dated 10/29/99 10:36:02 AM Central Daylight Time,
jeff.mohler@netapp.com
writes:
<< Twice now, Ive been in a street situation where my
throttle has STUCk wide
open.
Ive eliminated carpet as a culprit, and
will be taking car to the dealer soon
(Monday) for
diagnosis.
Thoughts? >>
Jeff,
Check your throttle body/butterfly area; the rubber/O ring gasket that is
attached to the inside of your upper y-pipe that connects to the throttle
body may have been sucked in and causing your butterfly linkage control area
to stay wide open; the dealer will insist you replace the whole y-pipe
which
will cost around $120. Supposedly the rubber gasket/ 0 ring is
not available
by itself.
This happened to me once at the
Track!!! Scary feeling when you have no
control of your car!!!!!
And you're flying through the finish line of the
1/4 mile and CANNOT
stop!!!!!!! Yikes!!!!!!
Good luck,
Ahmed
"AL-CraZy" - '92 VR4
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt
Fri Oct 29 10:15:04 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id KAA14627
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:15:04 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
hotmail.com (f128.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.128])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id KAA14620
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:15:01 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (qmail 55058 invoked by uid 0); 29 Oct 1999 17:14:40
-0000
Message-ID: <19991029171440.55057.qmail@hotmail.com>
Received:
from 63.11.58.107 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP;
Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:14:39
PDT
X-Originating-IP: [63.11.58.107]
From: "Curt Gendron"
<curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: K&N - best
price?
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:14:39 CDT
Mime-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I'll back up
Mark on this one too. The Aircharger is about twice as big as
the
FIPK. And mounting is easy. All you do is drill a hole about half
way
down the bracket and it will fit fine. I've installed one on my
Eclipse and
on two 3/Ses. The only reason to buy a FIPK is if CARB
means something to
you, or you have your heart set on mounting the Blitz
soleniod in the extra
space.
Oskar took a picture of the two, side by
side. It is right here:
http://www.mn3s.org/k-ns.jpg And I paid
$75, shipped to my door, for my
Aircharger.
But be warned. The
Airchargers are discontinued, so look hard for one.
:)
later,
Curt
http://www.mn3s.org
>From:
"Wendlandt, Mark (MN51)"
<MWendlan@cfsmo.honeywell.com>
>To: "'Bob Forrest'"
<bf@bobforrest.com>, Dave
><monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>,
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>Subject: RE: Team3S: K&N - best
price?
>Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:20:59 -0500
>
>Sorry for the
correction Bob, but the Aircharger is about twice as BIG as
>the FIPK
filter. It is longer(you will not be able to mount your
DSBC
>solenoid in the usual place) and is bigger around. This can
only lead to
>more potential air flow. Some members in our club have
actually switched
>to
>the Aircharger from the FIPK with positive
results(seen at the drag strip).
>
>If you are not concerned with
the C.A.R.B sticker, I would go with the
>Aircharger(if you can still find
one...I heard that they stopped making
>them) for $80-90
bucks.
>
>The differences in mounting are
trivial.
>
>Mark
Wendlandt
>'91RT/TT
>www.mn3s.org
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Mark
Wendlandt Honeywell CASSPO-Inertial Support
>Phone:
612-957-3736 Pager: 612-601-0881
>Email:
Mark.Wendlandt@cfsmo.honeywell.com
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
______________________________________________________
Get
Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 29 10:17:48 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
KAA14684
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:17:48 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from apollo.gat.com (apollo.gat.com [192.5.166.20])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id KAA14672
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:17:14 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from gat.com (middaugh@d3dtsa.gat.com
[192.150.242.240])
by apollo.gat.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id
KAA32658
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999
10:16:59 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <3819D687.5A10C4DA@gat.com>
Date:
Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:16:55 -0700
From: Ken Middaugh
<Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Organization: General Atomics - Fusion
Group
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20
9000/730)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Team3S
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Datalogger & OBD
II Scan software
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
This may be old
news, but it is good news to folks with modified 2nd gen cars.
Most of us
know about the Datalogger that Todd Day has created. It is
extremely
useful for monitoring engine parameters and tuning a car.
Unfortunately it only
works with '91-93 3000GT's since in '94 they went to
the ODB II style
connector.
While browsing the web recently, I
came across a few OBD II Diagnostic
utilities. There are numerous
handheld tools with small displays as well as PC
Software tools. The
most interesting software tools I saw were:
http://www.easesim.com/products.htm
http://www.baumtools.com/obd2scan.htm
http://www.autotap.com/autotap.html
All of them are about the price of Todd's
Datalogger, under $400, but the last
one currently does not work with
Asian vehicles. The most interesting one is
the first from EASE
Diagnostics. Their Personal Basic OBD II Scan Tool sells
for $295
(software & cable) while the Personal Delux OBD II Scan Tool sells
for
$395. They also sell OBD I versions for about the same
price.
Has anyone with a 2nd gen car tried using an OBD II
diagnostic/scan/datalogger
tool yet? Can anyone confirm that the '94
and '95 diagnostic ports actually
conform to the OBD II ISO standard
(everything from '96 on must conform by law)?
--
Drive faster, it is later than you think!
Ken Middaugh (858)
455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 29 10:29:21 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
KAA14957
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:29:21 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mail1.sirius.com (mail1.sirius.com
[205.134.253.131])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
KAA14950
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999
10:29:17 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from forrest (ppp-sfx202--144.sirius.net
[205.134.229.144])
by mail1.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id
KAA93345;
Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:29:15 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
<021c01bf2233$02f2db50$6ef186cd@forrest.sirius.com>
From: "Bob
Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
To: "Dave"
<monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>,
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: K&N - best
price?
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:28:20 -0700
X-Priority:
3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express
4.72.3612.1700
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3612.1700
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
My error... One of the techs at a local Racing Shop called
the
small one an Aircharger, and I just assumed that's what is
was
called. Thanks for the correction. And I agree...
Bigger is
better!
Forrest
-----Original Message-----From:
Wendlandt, Mark (MN51)
<MWendlan@cfsmo.honeywell.com>
>Sorry for
the correction Bob, but the Aircharger is about twice as
BIG as
>the
FIPK filter. It is longer(you will not be able to mount
your
DSBC
>solenoid in the usual place) and is bigger around.
This can only
lead to
>more potential air flow. Some members in
our club have actually
switched to
>the Aircharger from the FIPK with
positive results(seen at the drag
strip).
>
>If you are not
concerned with the C.A.R.B sticker, I would go with
the
>Aircharger(if
you can still find one...I heard that they stopped
making
>them) for
$80-90 bucks.
>
>The differences in mounting are
trivial.
>
>Mark Wendlandt
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 29 11:46:01 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id LAA16528
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:46:01 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
refuge.Colorado.EDU (root@refuge.Colorado.EDU [128.138.196.2])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id LAA16521
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:45:58 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from refuge.colorado.edu (demon.Colorado.EDU
[128.138.196.115])
by refuge.Colorado.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/UnixOps+Hesiod (PDH))
with ESMTP id MAA03647;
Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:44:45 -0600 (MDT)
Message-ID:
<3819EB1E.7373DFF3@refuge.colorado.edu>
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:44:46
-0600
From: Dave <monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
X-Mailer: Mozilla
4.7 [en] (Win95; I)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Curt
Gendron <curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
CC:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: K&N - best
price?
References:
<19991029171440.55057.qmail@hotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Thanks Bob, Curt
and Mark for the comments.. I have indeed already ordered
the
Aircharger and knew I'd have to get creative if (when!) I get the
boost
controller..
for any of you that don't have one yet, FIPK or
otherwise, I ordered mine from
Options Auto Salon from their ad in Sport
Compact car. Ended up being $87 to
me.. $79 + $8 shipping..
sorry I didn't mention the name of the place before,
but given that they're
discontinued I wanted to make sure I got _my_ order
in..
;)
1-800-678-2886
http://www.optauto.com/ (the website
doesn't mention the filter special)
Dave
95 Black VR4
87 Mica Red
GTI G60
Curt Gendron wrote:
>
> I'll back up Mark on
this one too. The Aircharger is about twice as big as
> the
FIPK. And mounting is easy. All you do is drill a hole about half
way
> down the bracket and it will fit fine. I've installed one on
my Eclipse and
> on two 3/Ses. The only reason to buy a FIPK is if
CARB means something to
> you, or you have your heart set on mounting the
Blitz soleniod in the extra
> space.
>
> Oskar took a picture
of the two, side by side. It is right here:
>
http://www.mn3s.org/k-ns.jpg And I paid $75, shipped to my door, for
my
> Aircharger.
>
> But be warned. The Airchargers are
discontinued, so look hard for one. :)
>
> later,
>
Curt
> http://www.mn3s.org
>
> >From: "Wendlandt,
Mark (MN51)" <MWendlan@cfsmo.honeywell.com>
> >To:
"'Bob Forrest'" <bf@bobforrest.com>, Dave
>
><monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>,
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> >Subject: RE: Team3S: K&N - best
price?
> >Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:20:59 -0500
> >
>
>Sorry for the correction Bob, but the Aircharger is about twice as BIG
as
> >the FIPK filter. It is longer(you will not be able to mount
your DSBC
> >solenoid in the usual place) and is bigger around.
This can only lead to
> >more potential air flow. Some members in
our club have actually switched
> >to
> >the Aircharger from
the FIPK with positive results(seen at the drag strip).
> >
>
>If you are not concerned with the C.A.R.B sticker, I would go with
the
> >Aircharger(if you can still find one...I heard that they stopped
making
> >them) for $80-90 bucks.
> >
> >The
differences in mounting are trivial.
> >
> >Mark
Wendlandt
> >'91RT/TT
> >www.mn3s.org
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 29 12:13:47 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id MAA17082
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:13:47 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
apollo.gat.com (apollo.gat.com [192.5.166.20])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id MAA17075
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:13:44 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from gat.com (middaugh@d3dtsa.gat.com
[192.150.242.240])
by apollo.gat.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id
MAA18710
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999
12:13:37 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <3819F1E1.7D26C4F0@gat.com>
Date:
Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:13:37 -0700
From: Ken Middaugh
<Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Organization: General Atomics - Fusion
Group
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20
9000/730)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Team3S
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Throttle body
adjustment screw
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Has anybody else
blown out a throttle body adjustment screw? I've never heard
of
such a story so I thought I'd relay mine...
The other day, I floored my
car and heard a noticable pop. The car started
running funny and
whistled under boost so I thought I blew off a hose because of
high
boost. Well I opened the hood and my buddy notices a big vacuum
sound
coming from the throttle body. There was a big open hole just
above the
throttle position sensor, the hole was threaded. We looked
around for a plug or
screw but couldn't find it, so he made a plug with a
small bolt and electrical
tape. I turned off my boost controller and it
held fine up to 6psi. I tried to
insert an 8mm and a 10mm bolt
temporarily and discovered that the hole is 9mm.
Anyway, I called Bill at
Norco Mitsu to ask if I could buy this screw or if I
had to buy the whole
throttle body which is what I feared. Off the top of his
head he said
there is no listing for the 3000GT, but there was a listing for the
Eclispe
and they are the same. Anyway, the screw and rubber O-ring
arrived
yesterday. It is plastic and lists for over $11! Bill
charged me just over $1
for the screw and $1 for the O-ring.
It is an
idle adjustment screw. I threaded it in all the way, but the car
barely
idled until I backed it out some.
Just a little FYI...
Ken
--
I'm just driving this way to piss you off!
Ken Middaugh (858)
455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our
web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 29 12:17:35 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
MAA17190
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:17:35 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from hotmail.com (f68.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.68])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id MAA17183
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:17:32 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (qmail 83999 invoked by uid 0); 29 Oct 1999 19:17:12
-0000
Message-ID: <19991029191712.83998.qmail@hotmail.com>
Received:
from 63.11.57.228 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP;
Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:17:11
PDT
X-Originating-IP: [63.11.57.228]
From: "Curt Gendron"
<curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Team3S: track times from last
weekend
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:17:11 CDT
Mime-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hey
everyone,
For those that are interested.... Some of the
"Minnesota 3/S" racers went
to the drag strip last Sunday.
We all did pretty good. If your curious
about our times, you can check
them out
at:
http://www.mn3s.org/drag-times2.html
later,
Curt
http://www.mn3s.org
______________________________________________________
Get
Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
For subscribe/unsubscribe
info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 29 12:32:37 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
MAA17501
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:32:37 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from ojm.ml.org (ppp-135.tnt-1.hou.smartworld.net
[216.70.82.135])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id
MAA17493
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999
12:32:32 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from OJMSERVER [127.0.0.1] by ojm.ml.org
[127.0.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP4.R) for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:32:16 -0500
From:
"Omar Malik" <ojm@iname.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Throttle body
adjustment screw
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:32:16 -0500
Message-ID:
<NDBBIMNBJKHKKNBKNCIKMEBHDDAA.ojm@iname.com>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer:
Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)
X-MimeOLE: Produced By
Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.207
Importance: Normal
In-Reply-To:
<3819F1E1.7D26C4F0@gat.com>
X-MDaemon-Deliver-To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
X-Return-Path: ojm@iname.com
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
a trick the DSM
guys use to counter this is to set the idle according to the
adjustment
procedure in the manual (involves a screw near the throttle plate
linkage,
the TPS, the idle adustment screw and i believe the ISC, not sure.)
after the
idle is perfect, just use a some silicone sealant and squirt a
little on the
idle adjustment scew so it won't back out (not too much, or
you wouldn't be
able adjust it again if need be.)
Omar
92 r/t
>
-----Original Message-----
> From:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of Ken Middaugh
>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 1999 2:14 PM
> To: Team3S
> Subject:
Team3S: Throttle body adjustment screw
>
>
> Has anybody else
blown out a throttle body adjustment screw?
> I've never heard
> of
such a story so I thought I'd relay mine...
>
> The other day, I
floored my car and heard a noticable pop. The
> car started
>
running funny and whistled under boost so I thought I blew off a
> hose
because of
> high boost. Well I opened the hood and my buddy notices
a big
> vacuum sound
> coming from the throttle body. There
was a big open hole just above the
> throttle position sensor, the hole
was threaded. We looked
> around for a plug or
> screw but
couldn't find it, so he made a plug with a small bolt
> and
electrical
> tape. I turned off my boost controller and it held fine
up to
> 6psi. I tried to
> insert an 8mm and a 10mm bolt
temporarily and discovered that the
> hole is 9mm.
>
> Anyway,
I called Bill at Norco Mitsu to ask if I could buy this
> screw or if
I
> had to buy the whole throttle body which is what I feared.
Off
> the top of his
> head he said there is no listing for the
3000GT, but there was a
> listing for the
> Eclispe and they are the
same. Anyway, the screw and rubber
> O-ring arrived
>
yesterday. It is plastic and lists for over $11! Bill
charged
> me just over $1
> for the screw and $1 for the
O-ring.
>
> It is an idle adjustment screw. I threaded it in
all the way, but the car
> barely idled until I backed it out
some.
>
> Just a little FYI...
> Ken
> --
> I'm
just driving this way to piss you off!
>
> Ken Middaugh (858)
455-4510
> General Atomics
> San Diego
> For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
>
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 29 13:00:07 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id NAA18085
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 13:00:07 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail.ceo-web.com (mail.ceo-web.com [216.199.8.34])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id NAA18076
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 13:00:03 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from Scott (tsdfb5-330.gate.net
[207.36.167.203])
by
mail.ceo-web.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP
id
QAA00940 for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:03:08
-0400
Message-Id:
<4.2.0.58.19991029155212.00985a10@192.168.1.1>
X-Sender:
ceorick#mail.ceo-web.com@192.168.1.1
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro
Version 4.2.0.58
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 15:57:26 -0400
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
From: Rick Diogo
<rick@ceo-consulting.com>
Subject: Team3S: DRB II cable for 94 Dodge
Stealth R/T turbo
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hey
guys,
Anyone know where I can get the proper cable for my DRB II to be
used on my
94 R/T turbo? My DRB II works well on my dad's 92 R/T turbo
(I have the
Mitsubishi adapter) and it works great on the First gen Talons
(and
Eclipse's) but my 94 R/T has the newer style DLC.
According to
my factory service manual it shows that the DRB II *can* be
used on the 94
R/T turbo but I need the special (one year only) cable for
it. My car
has the same DLC as the new 99 cars so unfortunately my Mitsu
adapter does
me no good.
Any ideas on where to find the cable? The dealer I used
to wrench for
cannot seem to locate the cable in their Miller catalogs...I
thought about
calling OTC and asking them. What do you guys
suggest?
Thanks!
Rick
94 R/T turbo
6
speed
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 29 14:12:47 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id OAA19238
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:12:47 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
web304.mail.yahoo.com (web304.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.235])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id OAA19231
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:12:43 -0700
(PDT)
Message-ID:
<19991029212041.6617.rocketmail@web304.mail.yahoo.com>
Received: from
[209.235.135.89] by web304.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:20:41
PDT
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:20:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Frank Chen
<jeep1978@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Datalogger & OBD II Scan
software
To: Team3S List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
>
> In response to Ken's last post, there is also a
> > copmany that
has a OBD II scan-tool that runs for
> > $449. and they are including
FREE ground shipping.
> > This is a good package if you have more than
one
> > vehicle of different makes. It includes OBD I
> >
connectors too. Here is the link:
> >
<http://www.autoxray.com> This package includes
>
all
> > the extra connectors but a basic one should run
>
about
> > $299. Hope this helps.
>
=====
-Frank-
"JEEPers"
EMERGENCY EMAIL:
<2016573246@mobile.att.net>
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Canyon/6045/
http://felicity.acmecity.com/dorm/31/
__________________________________________________
Do
You Yahoo!?
Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 29 15:40:50 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id PAA20874
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 15:40:50 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id PAA20867
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 15:40:47 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from c41552a ([24.4.50.244]) by
news.rdc1.tx.home.com
(InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with
SMTP
id
<19991029224045.ZHA318.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@c41552a>;
Fri, 29 Oct 1999 15:40:45 -0700
Message-ID:
<020601bf225f$41cb1910$f4320418@grlnd1.tx.home.com>
From:
"Jeff" <spydervr4@home.com>
To: "Sirius"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>,
"Ken Middaugh" <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
References:
<3819D687.5A10C4DA@gat.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Datalogger & OBD
II Scan software
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:45:10 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
'94 and most '95 cars are not OBDII complaint. They have the
OBDII
hardware, but the firmware is different. To see if your '95 is
OBDII
complaint, look on the underside of the hood for a federal
emissions
sticker. At the end of one of them in tiny letters it'll say
"OBDI
certified" if your car is not OBDII. If this is the
case, none of the
scanners you listed will work. I made the mistake of
buying the EASE
scanner thinking it'd work anyway, but it didn't. The
only tools I have
found that will work on the '94-95 cars (OBDI firmware,
OBDII hardware) is
the OTC 3337 and Snap-On MT-2500. Unfortunately both
are very expensive
($2200 for an import-only version of the Snap-On Tool, not
including
datalogging software.) Another option is a MUT-II which the
dealer uses,
but it's not generally for sale to the public and is supposed to
be over
$2000 also. Other than those three, those of us with the
mutant-OBD cars
are pretty screwed.
In summary, '94-95 cars are NOT
OBDII compliant in any way, ISO or
otherwise.
jeff
'95 Mitsubishi
Spyder VR-4
'90 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
----- Original Message
-----
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
To: Team3S
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 1999 12:16
PM
Subject: Team3S: Datalogger & OBD II Scan software
>
This may be old news, but it is good news to folks with modified 2nd
gen
cars.
>
> Most of us know about the Datalogger that Todd Day
has created. It is
extremely
> useful for monitoring engine
parameters and tuning a car. Unfortunately
it only
> works with
'91-93 3000GT's since in '94 they went to the ODB II style
>
connector.
>
> While browsing the web recently, I came across a few
OBD II Diagnostic
> utilities. There are numerous handheld tools
with small displays as well
as PC
> Software tools. The most
interesting software tools I saw were:
>
http://www.easesim.com/products.htm
>
http://www.baumtools.com/obd2scan.htm
>
http://www.autotap.com/autotap.html
> All of them are about the price of
Todd's Datalogger, under $400, but the
last
> one currently does not
work with Asian vehicles. The most interesting
one is
> the
first from EASE Diagnostics. Their Personal Basic OBD II Scan
Tool
sells
> for $295 (software & cable) while the Personal Delux
OBD II Scan Tool
sells for
> $395. They also sell OBD I versions
for about the same price.
>
> Has anyone with a 2nd gen car tried
using an OBD II
diagnostic/scan/datalogger
> tool yet? Can anyone
confirm that the '94 and '95 diagnostic ports
actually
> conform to the
OBD II ISO standard (everything from '96 on must conform
by
law)?
>
> --
> Drive faster, it is later than you
think!
>
> Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
> General
Atomics
> San Diego
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page
is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 29 16:16:10 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id QAA21589
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:16:10 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id QAA21582
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:16:02 -0700
(PDT)
From: MitsuVR41@aol.com
Received: from MitsuVR41@aol.com
by
imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id uXLMa09316 (4537)
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 19:15:36 -0400
(EDT)
Message-ID: <0.c1672044.254b8497@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Oct
1999 19:15:35 EDT
Subject: Team3S: 6 speed shift thud (again..sorry
guys)
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: AOL
4.0 for Windows sub 24
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Okay, If I
attempt to shift between 4k and 6k RPM I usually get no
problems.
BUT anything under 4k if I shift, I get the tranny
"thud" underneath. I
have attempted the clutch pedal
adjustmen in which you raise or lower the
height of the pedal from the
firewall. This has given me no success.
What
else can I do??
Shannon 95 Twin Turbo 6
speed. Also,
sometimes I get
smooth fluid shifting, and others I get a dry feeling notchy
shifing, any
ideas here??
Also, sometimes it is hard for my tranny to shift into
1st or reverse at
idle any ideas
here?
thanks.
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 29 16:20:42 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id QAA21897
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:20:42 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id QAA21890
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:20:39 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from c41552a ([24.4.50.244]) by
news.rdc1.tx.home.com
(InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with
SMTP
id
<19991029232038.BQYX318.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@c41552a>
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:20:38 -0700
Message-ID:
<03d301bf2264$d3fefa40$f4320418@grlnd1.tx.home.com>
From:
"Jeff" <spydervr4@home.com>
To: "Sirius"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<19991029212041.6617.rocketmail@web304.mail.yahoo.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Re: Datalogger & OBD II Scan software
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999
18:25:03 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
That won't work with our cars. We don't use the Ford, GM, or
Chrysler SCI
OBDI interfaces. I've already e-mailed autoxray and here's
the response I
got from them.
----- Original Message -----
From:
William J. Miller <wjm@autoxray.com>
To: Jeff
<spydervr4@home.com>; <support@iitems.com>
Sent: Wednesday,
August 04, 1999 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: Scantool
> Sorry
Jeff:
>
> I don't think our scanner will do the trick. But
keep an eye on the
website
> for future products that will handle your
car.
>
> thanks for your inquiry
>
>
bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff
<spydervr4@home.com>
> To: support@iitems.com
<support@iitems.com>
> Date: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 1:52
AM
> Subject: Scantool
>
>
> >I'm interested in
purchasing a scan tool for my car for datalogging
> purposes
>
>(to a laptop). I have been looking for quite a while and I haven't
found
> >anything compatible. I have a 1995 Mitsubishi (ISO)
3000GT that is OBDI
> >certified but has a OBDII connector. I
have tried hooking up a OBDII
> >scanner and it does not work. Do
you have a product that can do what I
> >want? If possible, I
need to be able to monitor in realtime, on a
laptop,
> >RPM, o2
sensor, timing advance, knock sum, and injector pulse width. Let
>
me
> >know - thanks!
> >
> >jeff
jeff
'95
Mitsubishi Spyder VR-4
'90 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
----- Original
Message -----
From: Frank Chen <jeep1978@yahoo.com>
To: Team3S List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 1999 4:20
PM
Subject: Team3S: Re: Datalogger & OBD II Scan software
>
> > In response to Ken's last post, there is also a
> > >
copmany that has a OBD II scan-tool that runs for
> > > $449. and
they are including FREE ground shipping.
> > > This is a good
package if you have more than one
> > > vehicle of different makes.
It includes OBD I
> > > connectors too. Here is the link:
>
> > <http://www.autoxray.com> This package
includes
> > all
> > > the extra connectors but a basic one
should run
> > about
> > > $299. Hope this
helps.
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 29 16:40:07 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id QAA22169
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:40:07 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
apollo.gat.com (apollo.gat.com [192.5.166.20])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id QAA22162
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:40:04 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from gat.com (middaugh@d3dtsa.gat.com
[192.150.242.240])
by apollo.gat.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id
QAA23471;
Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:40:00 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
<381A3051.6955F009@gat.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:40:01
-0700
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Organization:
General Atomics - Fusion Group
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; HP-UX
B.10.20 9000/730)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Jeff
<spydervr4@home.com>
CC: Sirius
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Datalogger &
OBD II Scan software
References: <3819D687.5A10C4DA@gat.com>
<020601bf225f$41cb1910$f4320418@grlnd1.tx.home.com>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hi
Jeff,
>
> '94 and most '95 cars are not OBDII complaint.
They have the OBDII
> hardware, but the firmware is different. To
see if your '95 is OBDII
> complaint, look on the underside of the hood
for a federal emissions
> sticker. At the end of one of them in tiny
letters it'll say "OBDI
> certified" if your car is not
OBDII. If this is the case, none of the
> scanners you listed will
work. I made the mistake of buying the EASE
> scanner thinking it'd
work anyway, but it didn't. The only tools I have
> found that will
work on the '94-95 cars (OBDI firmware, OBDII hardware) is
> the OTC 3337
and Snap-On MT-2500. Unfortunately both are very expensive
> ($2200
for an import-only version of the Snap-On Tool, not including
>
datalogging software.) Another option is a MUT-II which the dealer
uses,
> but it's not generally for sale to the public and is supposed to
be over
> $2000 also. Other than those three, those of us with the
mutant-OBD cars
> are pretty screwed.
>
> In summary, '94-95
cars are NOT OBDII compliant in any way, ISO or
> otherwise.
This
is a bummer. You're saying that Mitsu used a standard OBD I protocol
for
years '91-'93, and ISO standard OBD II for '96+ (late '95+), but
used a
non-standard or proprietary protocol for '94-'95? Do you know
what the '94-'95
protocol is? Is it OBD I protocol with an OBD II
connector? Can we use an OBD
I scan tool just by changing the
connector?
This is bad news since I plan to upgrade my '91 to a
'94-'95. This is good info
for the FAQ when we sort it
out...
Thanks,
Ken
--
I'm just driving this way to piss you
off!
Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 29 16:49:15 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id QAA22343
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:49:15 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
apollo.gat.com (apollo.gat.com [192.5.166.20])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id QAA22336
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:49:11 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from gat.com (middaugh@d3dtsa.gat.com
[192.150.242.240])
by apollo.gat.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id
QAA30318
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999
16:49:10 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <381A3277.E30BC0FA@gat.com>
Date:
Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:49:11 -0700
From: Ken Middaugh
<Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Organization: General Atomics - Fusion
Group
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20
9000/730)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Team3S
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 6 speed shift
thud (again..sorry guys)]]
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
This
annoying problem has me stumped too. Sometimes it shifts perfectly
smooth
& easy. Other times it feels as if the clutch is not fully
released (with the
pedal pushed to the floor) and that the clutch is slightly
dragging, thus making
it very difficult to shift into gear. I currently
suspect that the clutch
vacuum assist is intermittently bad, maybe it has a
leak.
Good luck to us both,
Ken
MitsuVR41@aol.com
wrote:
>
> Okay, If I attempt to shift between 4k and
6k RPM I usually get no
> problems.
> BUT anything
under 4k if I shift, I get the tranny "thud" underneath.
I
> have attempted the clutch pedal adjustmen in which you raise or lower
the
> height of the pedal from the firewall. This has given me no
success.
> What else can I
do??
>
Shannon 95 Twin Turbo 6
speed. Also,
> sometimes I get
smooth fluid shifting, and others I get a dry feeling notchy
> shifing,
any ideas here??
>
> Also, sometimes it is hard for my tranny
to shift into 1st or reverse at
> idle any ideas
here? thanks.
> For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
--
I'm just driving this way to
piss you off!
Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San
Diego
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 29 16:55:10 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id QAA22479
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:55:10 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
news.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id QAA22466
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:54:51 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from c41552a ([24.4.50.244]) by
news.rdc1.tx.home.com
(InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with
SMTP
id
<19991029235414.CENL318.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@c41552a>
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:54:14 -0700
Message-ID:
<03e801bf2269$85a92af0$f4320418@grlnd1.tx.home.com>
From:
"Jeff" <spydervr4@home.com>
To: "Sirius"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<3819D687.5A10C4DA@gat.com>
<020601bf225f$41cb1910$f4320418@grlnd1.tx.home.com>
<381A3051.6955F009@gat.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Datalogger & OBD
II Scan software
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:58:39 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
I don't know exactly what protocol Mitsubishi used in the '94-95
cars, but
under my hood it says "OBDI Certified" and the EASE
OBD-II scanner didn't
work on any of the 3 OBDII protocols it tried.
What I'm wondering is will a
scanner like the TMO datalogger (www.tmo.com)
work on the car with a
different connector. Unfortunately I will never
know because I have already
bought a Snap-On MT2500. I need to chase
down a Snap-On truck and buy the
OBDII connector for it and see if it works
with my MT2500's old '92 Import
ROM. If it does, then it would probably
be worthwhile for someone to disect
a scanner like the TMO logger and try to
get it to work but I haven't done
it yet, so don't go cutting up your $300
datalogger quite yet:)
jeff
'95 Mitsubishi Spyder VR-4
'90
Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken
Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
To: Jeff
<spydervr4@home.com>
Cc: Sirius
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 1999 6:40
PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Datalogger & OBD II Scan software
>
This is a bummer. You're saying that Mitsu used a standard OBD I
protocol
for
> years '91-'93, and ISO standard OBD II for '96+
(late '95+), but used a
> non-standard or proprietary protocol for
'94-'95? Do you know what the
'94-'95
> protocol is? Is it
OBD I protocol with an OBD II connector? Can we use
an OBD
> I
scan tool just by changing the connector?
>
> This is bad news since
I plan to upgrade my '91 to a '94-'95. This is
good info
> for
the FAQ when we sort it out...
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Fri Oct 29 17:12:36 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
RAA23184
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:12:36 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu10.smtp.email.msn.com
[207.46.181.60])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
RAA23177
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999
17:12:34 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from nutrend - 63.25.157.112 by email.msn.com
with Microsoft SMTPSVC;
Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:12:11 -0700
Message-ID:
<002b01bf226a$24320980$709d193f@nutrend>
From: "Michael
McWilliams" <CelMike@email.msn.com>
To: "stealth-3000"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Fw: Team3S: 13G vs
15G
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:03:01 -0400
X-Priority:
3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express
4.72.3110.1
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael McWilliams
<CelMike@email.msn.com>
To: TurboDrvn@aol.com
<TurboDrvn@aol.com>
Date: Friday, October 29, 1999 8:02 PM
Subject:
Re: Team3S: 13G vs 15G
><<Hey
Mike,
>
> How do you know that your rear turbo is
shot? do you have anyking of
>minimal boost when driving with that
shot rear turbo? Any oil within your
>y-pipe and Intercooler pipe by
the rear turbo?
>
>Thanks......I maybe going through the same
symptoms as you.
>
>Ahmed "AL-Crazy" - '92
VR4>>
>
>
>Hey Ahmed,
>
>I first knew there
was a problem when I saw huge clouds of blue smoke esp.
>on
deceleration. I feared ring damage but a compression check showed
very
>healthy numbers. While I had the rear intercooler pipe off, I
noticed a
lot
>of oil in the pipe. At Roger's suggestion, I made
sure the oil was not
>coming through the PCV system, so the only other
explanation is that the
>rear turbo is leaking. I confirmed this
conclusion with just about every
>turbo vendor in Turbo magazine as well
as others on the 3SI board with the
>same problem.
>
>I still
have good boost (15 Psi), however.
>
>Of all the
rebuilders/upgraders I spoke with, I've decided to go with
Turbo
>Specialties in Alabama. They will rebuild your turbo for $350
to stock
>specs or they will upgrade them BOTH to 15Gs for $1,150
INCLUDING CLIPPING
>(this is NOT a typo!). The owner (Reed) said
15Gs are real easy to make
and
>he's blown away by what his competitors
charge for them. I spoke with him
>at length and he seems very
knowledgeable.
>
>Good
Luck,
>
>Mike
>
>
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 29 18:16:31 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id SAA24088
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:16:31 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
ro.com (IDENT:0@sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id SAA24081
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:16:27 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from sjiredff (tnt1-97-145.ro.com [208.134.97.145])
by
ro.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/RO-1.01) with SMTP id UAA07091;
Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:16:23
-0500
Message-ID: <003f01bf2273$9b4161c0$916186d0@sjiredff>
From:
"Paul T. Golley" <ptgolley@ro.com>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>, <stealth@starnet.net>
Subject:
Team3S: APEXi Boost Controller Operation
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:10:49
-0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V4.72.3612.1700
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
My car is stock except for the APEXi Super
AVC-R boost
controller. I set the boost to
1.0 bar, and the BADC (boost actuator
duty
cycle) at 66%. After a few WOT runs to 6000
rpm in second gear,
it reached .888 bar (with
some stumble, due, I think, to the large
stock
plug gaps). Now, should I raise or lower the
BADC
setting? Assuming the BADC is the
ratio of the solenoid energized time
to the
un-energized time, increasing the BADC setting
should raise the
boost level, assuming the
turbos are large enough. The
instruction
manual seems to indicate the opposite, but
most of the
translation to English confuses
me. The question arises however: Is the
total
cycle (time energized plus un-energized)
a constant? IE: is the
total-cycle frequency
constant?
Another question I have is: If the
AVC-R learns
how the boost vs rpm and throttle are related
by making WOT
runs to max conditions, does
it un-learn the conditions when you are
just
driving "civilly" in daily traffic? Must
you
"re-educate it just before any attempts to use
your maximum
performance?
I know there are more knowledgeable folks out
there who
can help me on this. Please respond!
Regards,
ptg
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Fri
Oct 29 22:05:24 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id WAA27963
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 22:05:24 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
Mail.austin.rr.com (sm2.texas.rr.com [24.93.35.55])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id WAA27956
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 22:05:20 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from bradley ([24.28.72.243]) by Mail.austin.rr.com
with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18);
Fri, 29 Oct 1999 23:58:28
-0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
To:
"Sirius 3000GT Mail List"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: VPC/GCC for
sale
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 00:10:13 -0500
Message-ID:
<LNBBICBDKNDOJAHLDNDDCECJFCAA.bbedell@austin.rr.com>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer:
Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)
Importance:
Normal
In-Reply-To:
<003f01bf219b$7d0e4d40$c09d193f@nutrend>
X-MimeOLE: Produced By
Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hey everyone, I
have a VPC and a GCC for sale.
Also a G-Force ECU for a 91-93
VR4. I will need your old ECU for exchange.
I have about 6
different programs for the ECU for various states of tune.
I'm open for
reasonable offers for this equipment. Everything was used for
less than 1
year, so its all in pretty decent shape.
Brad
Check out my
home page: http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
E-Mail:
bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ# 3612682
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 30 05:51:59 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id FAA06468
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 05:51:59 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
newmail.spectraweb.ch (newmail.spectraweb.ch [194.158.230.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id FAA06461
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 05:51:55 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from rg (194.230.206.223) by newmail.spectraweb.ch; 30 Oct
1999 14:48:07 +0200
Message-ID:
<00a401bf22d5$4b397b60$78c9e6c2@rg>
From: "R.G."
<robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "Team3S"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
References:
<3819F1E1.7D26C4F0@gat.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Throttle body
adjustment screw
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 11:34:38 +0200
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
> Eclispe and they are the same. Anyway, the screw and
rubber O-ring
arrived
> yesterday. It is plastic and lists for
over $11! Bill charged me just
over $1
> for the screw and $1 for
the O-ring.
Plastic ???? Mine is copper and came with the
O-ring.
> It is an idle adjustment screw. I threaded it in all
the way, but the car
> barely idled until I backed it out some.
If
all other stuff is properly adjusted, you can easy turn it out a
little.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sat Oct 30 08:31:37 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
IAA08820
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 08:31:37 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com
[205.188.157.35])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id
IAA08813
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 30 Oct 1999
08:31:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: AMcbee1955@aol.com
Received: from
AMcbee1955@aol.com
by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id mYWG0dNzCE
(3893);
Sat, 30 Oct 1999 11:30:40 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
<0.6d567748.254c6920@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 11:30:40
EDT
Subject: Re: Team3S: straightening intercooler (or radiator) fins
To:
monarchd@refuge.colorado.edu, stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: AOL
4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Eastwood
(1-800-345-1178) makes a tool, part #6681 for $10.99 that works
great.
Makes them look new but is a little labor intensive.
--Alden
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 30 11:38:32 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id LAA12167
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 11:38:32 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
wiesbaden.netsurf.de (nero.wiesbaden.netsurf.de [194.163.168.140])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id LAA12160
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 11:38:28 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from wiesbaden.netsurf.de by wiesbaden.netsurf.de with
esmtp
(Smail3.2.0.95 #28) id m11hdVw-001leSC; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 19:46:08 +0100
(MET)
Message-ID: <381B4947.8DFE43AA@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
Date:
Sat, 30 Oct 1999 20:38:47 +0100
From: Matthews
<matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en,ja
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Team 3S Tech List
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
CC: Miguel Ramos
<mjramos1@compuserve.com>
Subject: Team3S: New A'PEXi SAVC-R
installation
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Today I
installed the new version of my A'PEXi SAVC-R in a colleague's
'91
VR-4. After resolving the differences between his stock plumbing
and
that on my '94 Stealth, and after a few stupid, time-wasting but
harmless
mistakes, everything went smoothly and it worked the first
time. What a
great unit! I'm jealous and am considering upgrading mine
(I think I
could just swap head units and sell my old one with the new
kit)! A ton
of features and flexibility. Very impressive.
A few notes on
installation and setup:
All required parts were included with the kit
except for a cap to plug
the stock solonoid and a few small hose clamps (came
with plenty of big
clamps, but no small ones!). This was a relief as
it's usually
impossible for me to find what I need at the German hardware
stores.
It took us about 30 minutes to study the stock system and get
our
bearings. It was a big help having my Stealth right next to the
VR-4
for reference, but there were a few differences in plumbing. The
left
of the two stock solonoids on his '91 was different from that on my
'94,
with one hose going in the front and the other hose exiting the bottom.
On mine, the left solonoid is identical to the right, with both
hoses
connecting to the front. I pulled up Roger's Blitz installation
page on
the web and was surprised to find that his is like mine, so I'm not
sure
when this change was made.
The biggest time-waster for us was
attempting to replace the stock 4-way
hose junction above the rear turbo with
a 3-way tee included in the
kit. After fighting to remove the wastegate
hoses and pulling up the
4-way junction, we found that A'PEXi's 3-way tee had
nipples too small
for the stock hoses. So we returned the stock
junction and simply
plugged the hose that used to connect to the stock
solonoid. Had we
done this right off the bat it would have made life
much easier!
The hose plumbing amounted to little more than inserting the
solonoid
valve in-line with the hose connecting the rear of the Y-pipe to
the
4-way junction and teeing the pressure sensor and mini air filter off
of
the FPR hose. The pressure sensor ended up on the firewall,
the
solonoid next to the washer resevoir.
The wiring was also
straightforward. The solonoid and pressure sensor
connectors barely fit
through the convenient firewall plug, which we had
removed make this
easier. Putting the plug back in the firewall was NOT
easy, but it
finally snapped in place. The folks who installed my
SAVC-R had left
too much wire in the engine compartment, causing my
wiring to melt together
and short, so we made sure that the wires were
zip-tied out of harm's way and
that all excess was taken up in the
cockpit.
Inside, we decided to
mount the head unit in the armrest center
console. There is enough
cable that it can be grabbed from the console
and velcroed to the dash if
desired - very nice! We did not install a
scramble switch so the orange
wire was left unused. We also decided to
connect to IDC rather than RPM
on the ECU.
Note that before we began tapping in to ECU wires, we
attempted to
verify the ignition power but never saw any current. We
had all three
ECU connectors off and tested both the ECU pin and the harness
pin. We
finally assumed that power must be entering the ECU through one
of the
other harness wires and proceeded to splice into power and ground to
see
if the head unit would light up, which it did.
The unit setup was
straightforward enough. One cylinder (since we used
IDC rather than
RPM), default engine type, default TPS voltage (can be
verified in monitor
mode), etc. It can display four parameters
simultaneously, and we chose
boost, BADC, IDC and TPS.
Initial settings were .85 bar @ 50 BADC, which
resulted in an overboost
to 1.2 bar! Yikes! Didn't feel like 1.2
bars, so I guess his knock
sensor works! :-| Backed it off to 35
BADC and it wouldn't peak over
.80 bar. Ended up with .95 bar @ 45
BADC... quite different from my .95
bar @ 72 BADC! Can't explain that
one, since the solonoids look
identical. Momentary overboost to 1.05 is
slightly higher than my
1.02-03.
Anyway, it was a good experience and
it made a big difference. My
friend is now enjoying the extra power (a
bigger difference for him
since he started out with 300 vs 320 HP stock) and
has a few hours of
reading and experimenting ahead of him! I may never
get my G-Tech
back... :-)
-Jim
--
Jim Matthews - Wiesbaden,
Germany
mailto:matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (64 Kbps
ISDN)
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews
*** 3000GT-Stealth
International (3Si) Member #0030
***
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews/stealth.html
Jet Black '94
Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension,
Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 72%
BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark
plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
Abex metallic brake pads, custom
braided brake lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed:
168mph
G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno
Session: 406 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft torque
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sat Oct 30 15:21:13 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
PAA16346
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 15:21:13 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from spiro.isd.net (spiro.isd.net [208.153.200.44])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id PAA16339
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 15:21:10 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from isd.net (isd-du-208-238-137-154.isd.net
[208.238.137.154])
by spiro.isd.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id
RAA29444
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 30 Oct 1999
17:20:48 -0500
Message-ID: <381B6F38.D536FAE9@isd.net>
Date: Sat, 30
Oct 1999 17:20:40 -0500
From: Rah <rah@isd.net>
Reply-To:
rah@isd.net
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I)
X-Accept-Language:
en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: "stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com"
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Seatbelt
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Well, it's
almost 7 years old, so my 93 Stealth's seatbelt retractor
thingies are well
worn out, is there a simple fix(like WD40-ing it?) and
if so how do i get
behind the plastic panel to get at it?
Or is it time to drag out the
almost expired extended warranty and fuss
with the dodge
dealer?
TIA.
--Rich
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sat Oct 30 17:02:51 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
RAA17749
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 17:02:51 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET (cedar-rapids.net [206.24.60.1])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id RAA17742
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 17:02:48 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from c440759-a.cdrrpd1.ia.home.com ([24.10.221.131]) by
CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET
with SMTP (IPAD 2.5/64) id 2928200 ; Sat, 30 Oct 1999
18:57:59 -0500
Message-Id:
<3.0.5.32.19991030184536.007ee630@cedar-rapids.net>
X-Sender:
merritt@cedar-rapids.net
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5
(32)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 18:45:36 -0500
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
From: Merritt
<merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Road racing
prep
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
With winter
approaching, the racing season is over and it's time to plan
for next year.
I'd like the list's opinion of the Phase 1 improvements I
have in mind, in
hopes that you will keep me from going down the wrong
path, or you will
suggest something else to do while I'm "in there."
MY
SITUATION:
I attend open track sessions, driver's schools, and hot lapping
sessions on
road courses. I do not drag race, I do not abuse my Getrag with
full power
shifts, and I rarely take it to 7200 rpm unless I am
running down a C5 or
whatever. My car is a 94 3000GT VR4, and is superior to
every other
street-driven car in my class when driven by drivers with the
same
experience as I have (I cannot beat an instructor in an M3, for
example,
although I can whup up on M3s in my class). Nevertheless, I
regularly pass
911s, M3s, Z3s, turbo 944s, 5.0 Mustangs and C5 vettes. The
only cars that
give a VR4 trouble are twin turbo AWD Porsches, Vipers,
500hp Supras, and
trailered, race-prepped cars. I will be moving up in class
next year, where
the cars are stronger and the drivers more experienced, so I
need to
upgrade my car a bit.
At tracks like Road America, with its
long straights, the car can be under
WOT for 20 or 30 seconds at a time.
Boost tends to fall off after a while,
but the car is still stronger down the
straights than most. Although some
cars are faster ( such as a C5 corvette),
I usually close up on them in the
twisty bits, so they pull over and let me
by when we hit a straight. Once I
get ahead, I don't have to worry about
their superior top end because they
don't attempt to pass (it's not REAL
racing).
We run for 20-30 minutes per session. Engine temp is not a
problem. In
fact, after a session, the car is unfazed, as if we had just
taken a drive
in the country (we have amazing cars).
The VR4 is under
extended warranty for the next 18 months. Phase 1
improvements have to
be such that they do not void my warranty, or can be
quickly removed (such as
the manual boost controller) in case I need dealer
service.
CURRENT
MODS:
Yokohama A032R race tires, Porterfield rotors, Porterfield race pads,
air
ducts to front brakes, water injection to front brakes, inner fender
wells
removed to promote air flow. Problem: It EATS brake
pads.
Planned Phase 1
mods:
ENGINE:
Red Line manual boost controller
(ordered)
Spearco Water Injection kit (to cool the input charge under
long periods of
WOT) -- is this a good idea? How can I install this for
quick warranty
removal?
Homemade low restriction cat-back exhaust -- stock cat to stock
pipe to Y to
two 2.5 in. pipes to two Flowmasters/Ansa or similar straight
through stubby
mufflers. Cuts considerable weight.
What else could I do to get 400+ hp?
Downpipe? Bigger intercoolers? Gut
the cats?
SUSPENSION:
Ground
Control/Eibach springs, lower car 1 inch all round --
ready to
install
What about new shocks or struts at this point? If so, what do
you
suggest?
BRAKES:
Brad's Big Red Porsche 12-in. calipers with Pagid
pads
Additional 2-in. cooling duct per side, perhaps with air
blowers and water
injection.
Porterfield rotors seem to work OK, but they've been turned
twice. I'll
need new ones soon. Suggestions?.
Opinions, please. What
else would be suitable at this stage? So far, I'll
have a few more
horsepower, better springs and lowering for better
cornering, and bigger
brakes to stop it.
How about an air dam in front? I'm thinking of making
a 2-in. dam all the
way around, perhaps with air ducts embedded,. and then
remove the stock air
dam and motor (save weight). Do I run fast enough (top
speed 120 mph at
most tracks) to need an air dam?
How about a rear
strut brace in the back? Does this help? Where can I get one?
Any other
suspension mods worth pursuing, such as bigger sway bars,
polyurethane
bushings, etc? Where do you get them?
Yo, Ground Control guys: any advice
on the installation, camber settings,
etc? I drive it on the street and to
the tracks, so I can't go with too
much radical negative camber. Or can
I? Whaddaya think -- 1/2 degree
negative?
Anything we can do
with the four-wheel steering? Can it be adjusted? If so,
what would you
adjust?
Where else, besides the exhaust, can I save some weight? I'd like
to shave
about 300 lb off it. Lighter wheels are probably out of the
question,
because most aftermarket wheels can't take the stress of racing,
and the
ones that can take it cost a bloody fortune.
Does anyone make
a replacement lower front valence panel that would have
bigger openings for
the intercoolers, some brake duct openings, and an air
dam?
After
next season, Phase 2 mods! Bigger turbos, bigger jets, and 550
hp!.
Rich/old poop/94 VR4/somebody stop
me!
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sat Oct 30 17:22:52 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
RAA18138
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 17:22:52 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from matrix.webzone.net (matrix.webzone.net
[205.219.23.25])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id
RAA18131
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 30 Oct 1999
17:22:48 -0700 (PDT)
Received: (qmail 25900 invoked from network); 30 Oct
1999 19:22:44 -0500
Received: from benson (pm3-20.ppp59.webzone.net
[208.152.100.59])
by
matrix.webzone.net with SMTP; 30 Oct 1999 19:22:44 -0500
Message-ID:
<034a01bf2330$3b1b23e0$10c9c9c9@benson>
From: "Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell" <benson@2015.com>
To: "3000GT
Mailing" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Road
racing prep
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 18:40:55 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
If yer looking to cut some weight off of the car, have you
considered a
carbon-fiber hood from GT-PRO? I remember seeing a post on
the list not to
far back from a gentleman that had one put on and said it was
an excellent
quality hood, perfect fit (they weigh only 13 lbs for our size
hoods :).
Check out www.gtpro.com
Also, you might want to consider
doing something with the rear-seats where
you can make them removable (you
don't need them when yer racing, and
that'll probably save some major lbs
right there :). I dunno how one would
go about doing this, but I'm sure
some body shop somewhere could fabricate
something for the seats that can
make them removable on demand like mini-van
rear seats (since it's yer daily
car as well, I take it you wouldn't want to
drive without the rear seats ALL
the time :).
Also, do you take extended trips in yer car that require the
more
comfortable seats? You could ditch the regular seats and put in
racing
seats that are lighter weight (but I doubt you'd want to do that
;)p.
The last thing I could think of for ditching major weight is to get
an
all-around body kit for the car that uses either carbon-fiber, or some
other
lightweight material. Ditching all those steel body panels for
lighter
material will definately give you some big savings. Problem is
you'll be
reducing the overall saftey of the car in a crash incident, but
again,
that's something you have to decide of course (you'd still have that
heavy
duty steel frame :). That's the only really bad thing about our
cars is
they weigh 3700 frikin pouds out of the factory :(.
Latufh fuh
U,
Benson
benson@2015.com
"-Do you ever have second
thoughts?
-When do I ever have first thoughts?"
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 30 18:28:57 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id SAA19142
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 18:28:57 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mxout1.cac.washington.edu (mxout1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.5])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id SAA19120
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 18:28:50 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from mailhost2.u.washington.edu (mailhost2.u.washington.edu
[140.142.33.2])
by mxout1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08)
with ESMTP id SAA24810;
Sat, 30 Oct 1999 18:28:50 -0700
Received: from
u.washington.edu (cs314-22.spmodem.washington.edu [140.142.175.125])
by
mailhost2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id
SAA27183;
Sat, 30 Oct 1999 18:28:09 -0700
Message-ID:
<381B9ACF.4F1A4458@u.washington.edu>
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 18:26:39
-0700
From: Errin Humphrey <errin@u.washington.edu>
Organization:
University of Washington
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98;
I)
X-Accept-Language: en,ja
MIME-Version: 1.0
To:
stealth@starnet.net,
3/S Sirius
Mailing List <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Road
Racing prep
References:
<3.0.5.32.19991030184435.00918b20@cedar-rapids.net>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
Hi
Rich,
You didn't post this to the Team3S list?
Merritt
wrote:
> trailered, race-prepped cars. I will be moving up in class
next year, where
> the cars are stronger and the drivers more experienced,
so I need to
> upgrade my car a bit.
Do you? ;)
>
get ahead, I don't have to worry about their superior top end because
they
> don't attempt to pass (it's not REAL racing).
If you're
moving up a level next year, won't you eventually get to a level
where they
allow passing in the straights? If so, then it's a good thing you
are
planning on the bigger turbos. :)
> CURRENT MODS:
>
Yokohama A032R race tires, Porterfield rotors, Porterfield race pads,
air
> ducts to front brakes, water injection to front brakes, inner fender
wells
> removed to promote air flow. Problem: It EATS brake
pads.
Out of curiosity, which cars don't? I thought that going
through one set
of pads per day was pretty typical for most cars, unless
you're going
through more than that. A friend of mine says that M3's
eat up front tires ...
> Planned Phase 1 mods:
>
>
ENGINE:
> Red Line manual boost controller (ordered)
And boost
gauge? Very essential.
> Spearco Water Injection kit (to cool
the input charge under
> long periods of WOT) -- is this a good
idea?
Might not be necessary if you eventually plan for bigger turbos and
IC.
All you will be doing in the meantime is compensating for how
inefficient
the stock 9B's are under high rpms/boost. Bigger turbos
solves this to
a large degree. Also, you would probably be the first to
prove whether
the system is reliable under extended track
conditions.
> How can I install this for quick warranty
removal?
>From reading the installs, it probably won't be that
difficult. You should
keep a spare intake Y-pipe handy, and the tank
should be pretty easy
to remove. Or you could leave it in and tell them
that you upgraded your
windshield washer fluid tank. :)
>
Homemade low restriction cat-back exhaust -- stock cat to stock
> pipe to
Y to two 2.5 in. pipes to two Flowmasters/Ansa or similar straight
>
through stubby mufflers. Cuts considerable weight.
You'll lose a LOT of
weight if you also eliminate the stock catalytic
converter system. If
you are considering a downpipe and going to a
custom system, then I suggest
that you consider making a true dual
exhaust system (like the Corvette
has). I have one. It is dual 2.5"
all the way back from the
front header/rear O2 housing. I used dual
straight-thought Dynomax
6"x18" Bullet mufflers, and they do an
excellent job of quieting
the noise. I can send you pics. A true dual
system will outflow a
single 3" (and be close to 3.5" single), and it
will have less
turbulence because of no 90 degree connections at the
rear O2 housing the the
rear T-split for dual muffs.
> What else could I do to get 400+ hp?
Downpipe? Bigger intercoolers? Gut
> the cats?
K&N FIPK!
Did you accidentally leave this out of your list?
Essential.
Upgraded BOV ($200-300) or switch to 1st gen DSM air bypass
valve
(~$60?) to eliminate high boost leak.
Gutting the cats is a
must, as long as you are doing downpipe. This
combined with downpipe
will greatly improve your midrange torque
(slight loss of very low end
torque) and greatly improve spoolup.
Raising boost will be a major power
pickup. Jay Connelly (who used
to be on this list) was blowing away
Viper GTS's left and right (he went
to a Viper meet, was ~never~ passed all
day, and passed ever Viper
which came in sight) down at PIR running about 1.2
bars of boost with
upgraded intake, exhaust, and pads.
Upgraded IC is
a big chunk of change. You might instead consider
putting that money
towards fuel upgrades. It won't be necessary
until you get bigger
turbos, but at least you'll be able to start learning
how to tweak things,
and you'll have more peace of mind that your
stock fuel system isn't pushed
too much to its limits. Here's the lineup:
RC550 or 560 injectors:
($500)
Supra fuel pump: ($180)
Used 1st gen AFC: (~$200) or new AFC:
($275)
OR you might consider that new Split Second ARC-GP2 system
that
everyone on Team3S is talking about. $1000, and you'll also
have a
bigger MAF and K&N filter to go with it. PMS is another
option
which goes for about $1000, and allows you to also tweak
your timing and get
datalog readouts but no upgraded MAF.
> SUSPENSION:
> Ground
Control/Eibach springs, lower car 1 inch all round --
> ready to
install
> What about new shocks or struts at this point? If so, what
do
> you suggest?
Barry King (and others) ~highly~ suggests the GAB
shocks. Your
stock shocks probably won't be happy with the lower drop
and
firmer springs. Or you could sell the GC kit and get a full-on
coilover
kit from Tein, one of the best Japanese suspension companies,
with
camber-adjustable pillow ball mounts. This system would make
the
GC kit look like the homemade hackjob it is. Unfortunately the
price
is about $1500, but at least that's $1000 less than the Bozz
coilovers.
Julian Ng just ordered the Tein kit, and he'll be receiving it
soon.
> BRAKES:
> Brad's Big Red Porsche 12-in. calipers with
Pagid pads
12" calipers?! I heard they were big, but not that
big! Wow.
> Additional 2-in. cooling duct per side, perhaps with
air
> blowers and water injection.
Cool. :)
>
Porterfield rotors seem to work OK, but they've been turned twice. I'll
>
need new ones soon. Suggestions?.
Somebody on Team3S said the Supra
rotors work great. Or you
might look into whatever rotors that most
Supras tend to upgrade to.
I can find out if you want me to.
>
Opinions, please. What else would be suitable at this stage? So far,
I'll
> have a few more horsepower, better springs and lowering for
better
> cornering, and bigger brakes to stop it.
Lightweight race
seats? 5 pt. harness? Roll cage? A friend of mine
just got
a 6 pt. rollcage custom made for his 2nd gen Eclipse for a
bit over
$500. It's TIG welded and total weight is about 70lbs (it would
be
30lbs if he had payed extra for chromoly). Entry into the car is not
a
problem because you can have the door bars made removable (with
grenade pins)
or "openable" (with hinge pins).
> How about an air dam in
front? I'm thinking of making a 2-in. dam all the
> way around, perhaps
with air ducts embedded,. and then remove the stock air
> dam and motor
(save weight). Do I run fast enough (top speed 120 mph at
> most tracks)
to need an air dam?
An average sports car is spending close to 50% of its
horsepower to
overcome aerodynamic resistance by only 60mph (the rest goes
to
overcoming frictional resistance from the road). A major source
of
drag for any car is the cracks and crevices underneath the body.
The
airdam is a good idea (or you could buy an aftermarket front lip,
not
too expensive), and you might also consider dropping the car
even
lower to at least 2", if you upgrade the shocks that
is.
Better engine airflow (and reduced weight) can be had with a
carbon
fiber hood with proper air vents.
> How about a rear strut
brace in the back? Does this help? Where can I get one?
I'm sure it
should help some. Some performance shops carry it.
> Any other
suspension mods worth pursuing, such as bigger sway bars,
> polyurethane
bushings, etc? Where do you get them?
No idea. It might be possible
to custom make some of this stuff.
> Anything we can do with the
four-wheel steering? Can it be adjusted? If so,
> what would you
adjust?
I don't think so.
> Where else, besides the exhaust,
can I save some weight?
Seats are a big one. Battery and stereo
system also. Rear seatbacks
can be removed before racing, and they
weight quite a bit. Sound-
deadening material also weight quite a bit,
but it makes the car less
friendly on the street. Front active aero
system and motor weighs
quite a bit also (maybe 50lbs?). Front and rear
bumpers, if you don't
fear for your life that is.
> I'd like to
shave
> about 300 lb off it. Lighter wheels are probably out of the
question,
> because most aftermarket wheels can't take the stress of
racing, and the
> ones that can take it cost a bloody
fortune.
Lighter wheels would be the big one. In addition to better
acceleration,
you would also notice a great improvement in braking. I
think TE37s
are about $500 each, and you might be on the lookout for used
wheels.
TE37s are really light in 17", and even Julian's 18" VR
Challenges weigh
only about 18 lbs.
> Does anyone make a
replacement lower front valence panel that would have
> bigger openings
for the intercoolers, some brake duct openings, and an air
>
dam?
Do you mean the front bumper cover? Have you seen the new Veilside
kit?
There are quite a few other kits out there also, but I don't see the
size of the
opening as being much of an issue (except for the brake
issue). Stock front
bumper seems fine with an added lower
lip.
> After next season, Phase 2 mods! Bigger turbos, bigger jets,
and 550 hp!.
Great! I hope to do those sometime next year
too! Fron what Jack was
recently saying, 550hp might even be a
conservative rating if you go for
the 15G's (with very little loss in
spoolup) and the car is tuned right. 600+
is probably more like
it. :)
Go get 'em!
--Errin "can't roadrace b/c I'm just
a poor college student" Humphrey
Seattle, wA
Yellow 94 VR4
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 30 18:34:09 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id SAA19320
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 18:34:09 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id SAA19313
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 18:34:06 -0700
(PDT)
From: Gr8crash@aol.com
Received: from Gr8crash@aol.com
by
imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id uGWONshgk_ (2618)
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 21:33:40 -0400
(EDT)
Message-ID: <0.8433e41e.254cf673@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 30 Oct
1999 21:33:39 EDT
Subject: Team3S: VR4 engine
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer:
Windows AOL sub 41
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
just curious,
what is the most power (steetable) that someone has gotten out
of one of
these engine? and what did they do?
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web
page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sat Oct 30 18:36:41 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
SAA19442
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 18:36:41 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id SAA19434
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 18:36:38 -0700
(PDT)
From: Gr8crash@aol.com
Received: from Gr8crash@aol.com
by
imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id uPMQa19934 (2618)
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 21:36:16 -0400
(EDT)
Message-ID: <0.39a22788.254cf70f@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 30 Oct
1999 21:36:15 EDT
Subject: Team3S: i think i already asked this but not
sure
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
does anyone on
here have a 3.0 V-6 DOHC TT with rear, tranny, and computer
and wireing? i
am looking to do a motor swap, and this is the basis of what i
need, if
anyone can help me i'd really appreciate it,
thanx
aaron
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 30 19:14:10 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id TAA20222
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 19:14:10 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET (cedar-rapids.net [206.24.60.1])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id TAA20215
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 19:14:07 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from c440759-a.cdrrpd1.ia.home.com ([24.10.221.131]) by
CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET
with SMTP (IPAD 2.5/64) id 2965600 ; Sat, 30 Oct 1999
21:09:18 -0500
Message-Id:
<3.0.5.32.19991030203801.007eba00@cedar-rapids.net>
X-Sender:
merritt@cedar-rapids.net
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5
(32)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 20:38:01 -0500
To: "Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell"
<benson@2015.com>,
"3000GT Mailing" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
From:
Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Road racing
prep
In-Reply-To:
<034a01bf2330$3b1b23e0$10c9c9c9@benson>
Mime-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
At 06:40 PM
10/30/99 -0500, Benson \"elmagoo\" Russell wrote:
>If yer
looking to cut some weight off of the car, have you considered
a
>carbon-fiber hood from GT-PRO? I remember seeing a post on the
list not to
>far back from a gentleman that had one put on and said it was
an excellent
>quality hood, perfect fit (they weigh only 13 lbs for our
size hoods :).
>Check out www.gtpro.com
I looked. A wee bit
expensive. Wonder if it will accommodate a strut brace?
>
>Also, you
might want to consider doing something with the rear-seats where
>you can
make them removable (you don't need them when yer racing, and
>that'll
probably save some major lbs right there :). I dunno how one
would
>go about doing this, but I'm sure some body shop somewhere could
fabricate
>something for the seats that can make them removable on demand
like mini-van
>rear seats (since it's yer daily car as well, I take it you
wouldn't want to
>drive without the rear seats ALL the time :).
I
never use the rear seats anyway. Probably 25 lb there, eh?
>
>Also,
do you take extended trips in yer car that require the more
>comfortable
seats? You could ditch the regular seats and put in racing
>seats
that are lighter weight (but I doubt you'd want to do that ;)p.
I dunno.
Maybe a Recaro seat for me might help. I find myself bracing with
the
steering wheel, and that ain't good.
>
>The last thing I could
think of for ditching major weight is to get an
>all-around body kit for
the car that uses either carbon-fiber, or some other
>lightweight
material. Ditching all those steel body panels for lighter
>material
will definately give you some big savings.
Ooooooh, that's
expensive!
Thanks for the ideas.
Rich/old poop
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 30 19:14:24 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id TAA20268
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 19:14:24 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET (cedar-rapids.net [206.24.60.1])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id TAA20249
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 19:14:20 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from c440759-a.cdrrpd1.ia.home.com ([24.10.221.131]) by
CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET
with SMTP (IPAD 2.5/64) id 2965700 ; Sat, 30 Oct 1999
21:09:31 -0500
Message-Id:
<3.0.5.32.19991030210700.0092ba00@cedar-rapids.net>
X-Sender:
merritt@cedar-rapids.net
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5
(32)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 21:07:00 -0500
To: stealth@starnet.net,
stealth@starnet.net,
3/S Sirius
Mailing List <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
From: Merritt
<merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Road Racing
prep
In-Reply-To: <381B9ACF.4F1A4458@u.washington.edu>
References:
<3.0.5.32.19991030184435.00918b20@cedar-rapids.net>
Mime-Version:
1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
>
>You
didn't post this to the Team3S list?
Sure did. They hang onto a post for
a while, then ship it out.
>
> so I need to
>> upgrade my
car a bit.
>
>Do you? ;)
Yep. I attribute all my
success to the car. I just hang on for dear life,
but I'll be playing with
the big boys soon.
>
>If you're moving up a level next year, won't
you eventually get to a level
>where they allow passing in the straights?
You are allowed to pass in certain areas based on your class. Novices
can
only pass on the main straight, the next class or two gets to pass on
other
straights, and advanced/instructor cars can pass anywhere -- but, in
all
cases, only if you are waved by.
> I thought that going
through one set
>of pads per day was pretty typical for most
cars,
No, it's only typical for our cars. 911s and M3s can get one or
two
weekends out of a set of pads.
>
>And boost gauge?
Very essential.
Of course.
>
>> Spearco Water Injection
kit (to cool the input charge under
>> long periods of WOT) -- is this
a good idea?
>
>Might not be necessary if you eventually plan for
bigger turbos and IC.
>All you will be doing in the meantime is
compensating for how inefficient
>the stock 9B's are under high
rpms/boost. Bigger turbos solves this to
>a large degree.
Also, you would probably be the first to prove whether
>the system is
reliable under extended track conditions.
I don't see how it can hurt for
one season, do you? It's not very expensive.
>
>You'll lose a
LOT of weight if you also eliminate the stock catalytic
>converter system.
What does that do to the warranty?
If you are considering a
downpipe and going to a
>custom system, then I suggest that you consider
making a true dual
>exhaust system (like the Corvette has). I have
one. It is dual 2.5"
>all the way back from the front
header/rear O2 housing. I used dual
>straight-thought Dynomax
6"x18" Bullet mufflers, and they do an
>excellent job of
quieting the noise. I can send you pics.
Yes,
please.
>K&N FIPK! Did you accidentally leave this out
of your list? Essential.
Ooops. Yes, I did. Got
one..
>
>Upgraded BOV ($200-300) or switch to 1st gen DSM air bypass
valve
>(~$60?) to eliminate high boost leak.
OK. More details,
please.
>
>Gutting the cats is a must, as long as you are doing
downpipe. This
>combined with downpipe will greatly improve your
midrange torque
>(slight loss of very low end torque) and greatly improve
spoolup.
OK
>
>Raising boost will be a major power pickup.
<snip lots of stuff>
That's all for next season, but thanks.
>
>> SUSPENSION:
>
>Barry King (and others) ~highly~
suggests the GAB shocks. Your
>stock shocks probably won't be happy
with the lower drop and
>firmer springs.
Hmmm.
Or
you could sell the GC kit and get a full-on coilover
>kit from Tein, one
of the best Japanese suspension companies, with
>camber-adjustable pillow
ball mounts. This system would make the
>GC kit look like the
homemade hackjob it is. Unfortunately the price
>is about $1500, but
at least that's $1000 less than the Bozz coilovers.
Nah. Way too much
money at this stage.
>> Brad's Big Red Porsche 12-in. calipers
with Pagid pads
>>12" calipers?! I heard they were big, but
not that big! Wow.
I used to have a photo of it, lying next to one
of our calipers and a ruler.\
As I recall, the caliper was 12-in.
long.
>
>
> Roll cage?
Someday for
sure.
>
> A major source of
>drag for any car is the cracks
and crevices underneath the body. The
>airdam is a good idea (or you
could buy an aftermarket front lip, not
>too expensive), and you might
also consider dropping the car even
>lower to at least 2", if you
upgrade the shocks that is.
OK.
>
>Better engine airflow (and
reduced weight) can be had with a carbon
>fiber hood with proper air
vents.
Got anything specific in mind?
>
>> How about a
rear strut brace in the back? Does this help? Where can I
get
one?
>>I'm sure it should help some. Some performance shops carry
it.
For our cars?
>
>> Where else, besides the exhaust,
can I save some weight?
>Seats are a big one.
OK, out with the
rear seats.
>Battery and stereo system also.
Gotta have my
music
>Rear seatbacks
>can be removed before racing, and they
weight quite a bit. Sound-
>deadening material also weight quite a
bit, but it makes the car less
>friendly on the street.
Nah.
Too much trouble.
Front active aero system and motor weighs
>quite
a bit also (maybe 50lbs?).
Aha! So a permanent air dam WOULD be
beneficial, at least from a weight
standpoint.
>
>Lighter
wheels would be the big one. In addition to better
acceleration,
>you would also notice a great improvement in braking.
I think TE37s
>are about $500 each,
WAY too
expensive.
>
>> Does anyone make a replacement lower front
valence panel that would have
>> bigger openings for the intercoolers,
some brake duct openings, and an air
>> dam?
>
Have you seen
the new Veilside kit? >There are quite a few other kits out
there also,
but I don't see the size of the
>opening as being much of an issue (except
for the brake issue).
I've seen them. I'd like to take the Veilside
front valence, but it's an
entire kit.
Thanks.
Rich/old
poop
>
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 30 19:53:15 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id TAA20779
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 19:53:15 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
matrix.webzone.net (matrix.webzone.net [205.219.23.25])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id TAA20772
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 19:53:12 -0700
(PDT)
Received: (qmail 31282 invoked from network); 30 Oct 1999 21:53:10
-0500
Received: from benson (pm3-20.ppp59.webzone.net
[208.152.100.59])
by
matrix.webzone.net with SMTP; 30 Oct 1999 21:53:10 -0500
Message-ID:
<036801bf2345$3932a840$10c9c9c9@benson>
From: "Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell" <benson@2015.com>
To: "3000GT
Mailing" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Road racing prep
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 21:11:19 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
At 06:40 PM 10/30/99 -0500, Benson \"elmagoo\" Russell
wrote:
>If yer looking to cut some weight off of the car, have you
considered a
>carbon-fiber hood from GT-PRO? I remember seeing a
post on the list not to
>far back from a gentleman that had one put on and
said it was an excellent
>quality hood, perfect fit (they weigh only 13
lbs for our size hoods :).
>Check out www.gtpro.com
I looked. A wee
bit expensive. Wonder if it will accommodate a strut brace?
>
I
don't think so. The carbon fiber hood that he sells as far as I know
is
an exact copy of the stock hood, only in carbon fiber. I'm not sure,
but I
thought I heard somewhere that he might be working on possibly a hood
that
can accomodate an upper stress bar, and I think he might be working on
a
variant of the hood that has an intake near the air-filter (basically
a
scoop of some kind in the hood) so you can get cold-air into the
air-filter.
Again, I thought I heard these somewhere (can't remember if it
was here, or
on a newsgroup), so don't quote me on those ;)p.
>
Front active aero system and motor weighs
>quite a bit also (maybe
50lbs?).
>Aha! So a permanent air dam WOULD be beneficial, at least
from a weight
>standpoint.
Does the active aero system actually
provide any performance improvement, or
is it just a gimickie thing that
doesn't really do much except alert the
cops when yer going over like 65 (or
whatever the auto-engage speed is on
that thing)? Because if it weighs
like 50lbs, wouldn't you be better off
just ditching it for the weight
savings?
Latufh fuh
U,
Benson
benson@2015.com
"-Do you ever have second
thoughts?
-When do I ever have first thoughts?"
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 30 20:34:26 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id UAA21578
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 20:34:26 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
mail-pop.dmv.com (mail-pop.dmv.com [146.145.96.106])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id UAA21571
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 20:34:22 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from sdewey (dov2-11.dmv.com [146.145.116.63])
by
mail-pop.dmv.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id XAA37096;
Sat, 30 Oct 1999
23:34:16 -0400 (EDT)
(envelope-from sdewey@dmv.com)
Message-ID:
<002501bf22ed$444920e0$3f749192@sdewey>
From: "Shawn Dewey"
<sdewey@dmv.com>
To: <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>,
"Merritt" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
References:
<3.0.5.32.19991030184536.007ee630@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S:
Re: Road racing prep
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 11:41:37 -0400
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2314.1300
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
>From a road racing instructor (and 3K owner's) point of view,
safety and
driving comfort (ie; not bracing yourself) are the most important
items you
need to look at. You will be impressed at how much smoother your
driving
will become when you are not having to brace yourself (with the
steering
wheel and left foot) while also having to turn with that same
wheel.
Call Mike Welch at Road Race Engineering
http://www.roadraceengineering.com
for a rear strut tower bar which will
serve dual purpose, as a harness
mounting bar and strut tower stabilizer.
Then order yourself a good quality
4 or 5 point harness with shoulder belts
that are long enough to reach back
to the strut tower bar. These long
shoulder harnesses CAN be found if you
tell the company what your application
is. It is most usually found as a
shoulder Y harness that attaches with a
single wrap at the strut tower bar.
If you have the money to spend, I would
also invest in a good quality (SAFE)
road racing seat. This could mean an
aluminum (ie: Kirkey or Butler) seat or
a composite seat (Sparco or a meriad
of other brands) that is amply braced
and secured in the car.
The last
point would be making the car more reliable, with our cars this
would mean
focusing on the braking system. Getting this system improved to
the point
that you can last an entire session without having to make cool
down laps
after you have cooked your brakes. For the Porterfield pads try
the barbeque
method that I described a few months earlier and try baking the
rotors and
bedding the brake pads to the rotors with some nice easy heat
cycling on the
street prior to your track events.
I think focusing on these key areas,
which often go overlooked by the
beginning roadracer or autocrosser will make
your driving improve much more
solidly than throwing parts at the car and
trying to find more speed from
the CAR instead of speed and smoothness from
the DRIVER.
I will be headed down to Summit Point WV tomorrow to finish
out my road
racing season and instruct some students. Tomorrow they will be
on their
second day of driver's school for the Fall SCCA School for the
Washington DC
region. Check us out @
http://www.wdcr-scca.org
--------------------------------------
-shawn
dewey
'95 Talon ESi #19 SSC
'81 Mazda RX7 GSL #32 Spec RX7
'93
Mitsubishi 3KGT VR-4
'91 Eagle Talon TSI
AWD
http://home.dmv.com/~sdewey
----- Original Message
-----
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
To:
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 1999 7:45
PM
Subject: Team3S: Road racing prep
> With winter approaching,
the racing season is over and it's time to plan
> for next year. I'd like
the list's opinion of the Phase 1 improvements I
> have in mind, in hopes
that you will keep me from going down the wrong
> path, or you will
suggest something else to do while I'm "in there."
>
> MY
SITUATION:
> I attend open track sessions, driver's schools, and hot
lapping sessions
on
> road courses. I do not drag race, I do not abuse
my Getrag with full power
> shifts, and I rarely take it to 7200 rpm
unless I am running down a C5
or
> whatever. My car is a 94
3000GT VR4, and is superior to every other
> street-driven car in my class
when driven by drivers with the same
> experience as I have (I cannot beat
an instructor in an M3, for example,
> although I can whup up on M3s in my
class). Nevertheless, I regularly
pass
> 911s, M3s, Z3s, turbo
944s, 5.0 Mustangs and C5 vettes. The only cars that
> give a VR4 trouble
are twin turbo AWD Porsches, Vipers, 500hp Supras, and
> trailered,
race-prepped cars. I will be moving up in class next year,
where
> the
cars are stronger and the drivers more experienced, so I need to
> upgrade
my car a bit.
<major snip>
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 30 21:10:16 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id VAA22085
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 21:10:16 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69])
by list.sirius.com
(8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with ESMTP id VAA22073
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 21:10:12 -0700
(PDT)
From: ANguyen999@aol.com
Received: from ANguyen999@aol.com
by
imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id uNVIa08114 (3980)
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 00:09:46 -0400
(EDT)
Message-ID: <0.d42778b4.254d1b0a@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 31 Oct
1999 00:09:46 EDT
Subject: Team3S: Dual exhausts on base?
To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: AOL
4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
I'm the proud
owner of a '92 stealth r/t na and I've just realized that some
of the base
model 3000gt's have dual exhausts. Could I add a second pair of
pipes
to the stealth? if so would there be any benefits or drawbacks?
thanks in advance.
andy
For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From
owner-stealth-3000gt Sat Oct 30 21:21:15 1999
Received: (from
majordom@localhost)
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id
VAA22427
for stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 21:21:15 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from matrix.webzone.net (matrix.webzone.net
[205.219.23.25])
by list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id
VAA22420
for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 30 Oct 1999
21:21:12 -0700 (PDT)
Received: (qmail 1751 invoked from network); 30 Oct 1999
23:21:07 -0500
Received: from benson (pm3-20.ppp59.webzone.net
[208.152.100.59])
by
matrix.webzone.net with SMTP; 30 Oct 1999 23:21:07 -0500
Message-ID:
<000d01bf2351$cb190180$10c9c9c9@benson>
From: "Benson
\"elmagoo\" Russell" <benson@2015.com>
To: "3000GT
Mailing" <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject: Team3S: Dual
exhausts on base?
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 22:41:08 -0500
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V5.00.2615.200
Sender: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence:
bulk
heheh, basically it's just for looks. The left pipe is the
real exhaust,
the right pipe is just a split off of the main (basically for
show really,
doesn't do much :(. So yer not really missing anything
:).
Latufh fuh U,
Benson
benson@2015.com
"-Do you
ever have second thoughts?
-When do I ever have first
thoughts?"
For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
From owner-stealth-3000gt Sat
Oct 30 21:58:33 1999
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) id VAA22995
for
stealth-3000gt-outgoing; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 21:58:33 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from
ojm.ml.org (ppp-226.tnt-1.hou.smartworld.net [216.70.82.226])
by
list.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-Majordomo) with SMTP id VAA22988
for
<stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 21:58:29 -0700
(PDT)
Received: from OJMSERVER [127.0.0.1] by ojm.ml.org [127.0.0.1] with
SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP4.R) for <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>; Sat, 30
Oct 1999 23:58:44 -0500
From: "Omar Malik"
<ojm@iname.com>
To: <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Dual exhausts on base?
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 23:58:44
-0500
Message-ID:
<NDBBIMNBJKHKKNBKNCIKEEDBDDAA.ojm@iname.com>
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer:
Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)
X-MimeOLE: Produced By
Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.207
Importance: Normal
In-Reply-To:
<0.d42778b4.254d1b0a@aol.com>
X-MDaemon-Deliver-To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
X-Return-Path: ojm@iname.com
Sender:
owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Precedence: bulk
from a
performance standpoint, why bother? the exhaust system on NA 3kgts
weigh more
then on NA stealths (extra piping and muffler). no real
performance benifit.
Any power gained by slightly more flow (very little
power) is probably
negated by the weight (anyone care to disagree?)
from a cosmetic standpoint,
sure why not? it'll look more agressive!
it would be a better idea to do a
custom cat back system from your local
muffler shop, and then split it off to
two pipes at the rear with high flow
mufflers. even better if they can do it
mandrel bent. Low end torque will be
lost (BIG difference between running
"open" no muffler, and with stock
muffler), a little more HP
gained.
Omar
92 r/t
> -----Original Message-----
>
From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
[mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of
>
ANguyen999@aol.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 30, 1999 11:10 PM
> To:
stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Subject: Team3S: Dual exhausts on
base?
>
>
> I'm the proud owner of a '92 stealth r/t na and
I've just
> realized that some
> of the base model 3000gt's have
dual exhausts. Could I add a
> second pair of
> pipes to the
stealth? if so would there be any benefits or drawbacks?
>
>
thanks in advance.
>
> andy
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info,
our web page is
>
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
For
subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm