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Dave Allison Wrote: <dave@languys.com>

>Will there be a version for 1st gen cars also?


Dave, As my car is a first gen (93) the system (prototype) will be built on a first gen 3000GT. I asked about the sensors for 94+ because I don't know anyone in Sweden that have a 94+ car that I can examine. I guess that the guys that have 94+ cars are more interested in a system like this because they cant use the HKS VPC system. My goal is that the system will work on all 3S cars 91-99.

/Mikael


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Dennis,

Your problem is very common with digital cell phones like we are using in
Europe. For me it's like a remote ringer in the stereo when the sound is louder
than the cell phones ringer ;-)

> So my question is: do any of you have any suggestions on how to eliminate
> this thumping?  Is there a filter I can/should install?  Should I replace
> the phone?  I've talked to the company I bought the phone from, but they
> haven't been much help yet.

Well, I asked the same and what helped a little was to make a better ground
connection to the amplifiers case. But if the antenna points towards the stereo
(when lying in the armrest) an incomming call or switching to another network is
very noticeable.

Sorry, no solution on this.

Roger

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Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)

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> Are there other methods?

A rally company in Switzerland developed a well working turbo-hybrid system and
incooperates a heat resistant e-motor to the turbine. Of course the design is
very different of the turbine housing but it works good. Unfortunately, no space
in our cars :(

The system has been built into a Celica GT-Four and works wonders. The e-motor
is controlled by the ECU that also acts as the BC and in low rpms as well as
during shifting the turbine speed will be held up to provide the appropriate
boost when needed (sounds great). The system uses an external wastegate as well
as a good BOV system that is also controlled by the ECU (boost is measured
before and after the TB and the BOV is controlled to release too much bosot
whenever necessary). Very tricky.

Cheers, Roger

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Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)

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Can anyone tell me the preffered octane rating for the VR4, imparticular
when running a higher boost. Barry had suggested to use a highest
quality fuel available. After emailing Shell in Australia they tell me
their premium unleaded fuel, which is what I have been using has a
rating of 96. They didnt advise as to how they arrived at this figure.
Any thoughts?
Andrew
Australia
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With Mike's and Barry's help, we figured out what those bushings are -- they
go around the bolts that connect the shift cables to the shift cable bracket
which attaches to the bell housing.  Thanks.

-Bob

> Hi all.  I ended up with only 3 parts left over in my whole rebuild.
> They are these rubber coated washers that I had put into a
> freezer bag along
> with the 2 shifter cable cotter pins and labeled it "Shifter
> cables".  Well,
> when I try to put even one of these washer/bushing things on to the shift
> lever attached to the gearbox, it takes up so much room (side to
> side) that
> I can't get the cotter pin on.  It doesn't press fit into the
> shifter cable
> end itself (or doesn't seem to).  I was wondering if you remember
> where they
> go.  Also, the fact that there were only 3 rather than 4 is sort of
> odd...did I (or some previous flunkie) lose one?
>
> The washer itself has a flat part like a normal washer but then has a
> smaller ring around the center on just one side that looks like
> it ought to
> press fit into the shift cable end.  The outer edge of the washer
> is covered
> with rubber.
>
> -Bob
>
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I'm also using the VPC (alone no GCC) with 550cc injectors for street & strip
driving.
At my street setting of 1 bar the car runs perfect and is very civilized. For
the track setting of 1.6 bars I found it necessary to upgrade the ECU (GT
Alleys ECU). It performs extremely well with the new ECU for both street &
strip. Really, very happy with it.
Arty 91 VR-4

In a message dated 11/30/98 5:51:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, xwing@execpc.com
writes:

<< Subj: Team3S: Re: AFC vs. VPC
Date: 11/30/98 5:51:25 PM Pacific Standard Time
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R.G. wrote:
> > Apex'i AFC and the HKS VPC?
> > Why is it that everyone seems to be only using the AFC?
> Cost ! AFC "only" $260 while VPC around $800!
> Of course you'll also get speed converted system then; AFC keeps
> restrictive stock MAS.

> > What pros and cons of these units?
> AFC cheapest/easiest fuel adjustment part available. Easy to tune
> in as it only intercepts the MAS signal and converts it on rpm basis.
> is very WOT related; my results were good there. I have no bad
> experience it does not give all what is needed.
> VPC and MASC both remove restrictive stock MAS. VPC
> converts to speed density while MASC still air-density. The latter
> is maybe better for all-day driven cars while VPC is very track-oriented. I
> think the VPC is also useable on the street with proper tuning-in and the
help
> of the GCC or GCC II.  I think
> reprogramming VPC EPROM for each new mod is too much
> Roger Gerl, Switzerland

I have good experience/success with VPC+GCC.  Part of reason AFC is used
is that for 94+ the VPC can't be used unless modified (different molex
connectors on 94+).  I don't know of anyone who has put VPC on 94+,
prolly someone has.   VPC does get rid of restrictive MAS device, so
improving output of turbo (higher pressure available to inlets of turbo
compressors).  The stock computer uses the O2 sensors to adjust the mix
when at partthrottle, so any adjustments you make with it (OR with an
AFC or MASC) are partly ignored by ECU computer...AFC can adjust SO wide
a range it can go outside stock computer's adjust RANGE which is why
people can 'shut the engine off' by leaning AFC out so badly at idle
etc.  BUT the main place these adjusts come into play is at wideopen
throttle, when computer is ignoring O2 sensor and only running on
internal map, so VPC/AFC/MASC settings are used in their
purest/unadulterated-by-O2 sensor-adjustments form.

The VPC works well on the street.  My car drives normally like any other
car, except for the occasional wandering idle speed.  It also works
great for racing; you can also speak to Dave Buschur at
Buschurracing.com who always has, and continues to, swear by the VPC as
his fuel management device of choice for DSM's.  Todd Day's datalogger
would be a great thing to have...  I have never had to change chips for
different mods.  I got one chip which was 'leaner' and one that is
'richer'.

Jack Tertadian
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The device/funtion I talk about (for full boost at start) is combination =
of software/ECU and a mod that you to to the intake/trottle body. It's =
an electro magnetic switch that works almost like a BOV but the other =
way around. When waiting for start the boost build up against a "plate" =
before the trottle body. During this time the air that goes in to the =
motor is regulated so only atmospheric pressure is obtained. Then when =
the clutch is released the electro magnetic switch let the builded up =
boost pass into the engine and off you go. The computer/ecu holds the =
RPM at a preset value before the clutch is released. This is a "start =
only" and is used by almost all rally cross cars in europe.=20

This is not the same type of system that Barry and Roger is talking =
about. The so called bang-bang system that are used on rally cars to =
keep the boost up during shifts and braking is not funtional on a street =
car. As Barry said with a bang-bang system the exhaust will only hold on =
to the punichment for a few minutes.=20

I will provide more info as soon as I have more information about the =
system and all it's components. I would be glad if you all can send me =
your "wish lists" on things that you want to have in the system. For =
example: is it a good thing to have boost control or do we all want to =
continue with our boost controlers that easily can be changed without a =
computer??!!?=20

I don't have all information so please let me hear all your suggestions.

//Mikael Akesson http://www.bahnhof.se/~vr4

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Chris Winkley wrote:

> Second, I want to thank Ying Hau Wang, Erin, and friends for the hospitality
> last night. Sadly enough Hau is departing for Brazil this morning. I can't say I've
> ever
> met a group of young folks so knowledgeable about our cars, or so polite and
> helpful. Hau's departure brings sadness, but he's headed off to be engaged.
> I wish him the best of everything.
>
> Erin, please send me your e-mail address, so we can keep in touch about
> tires/wheels and further exhaust mods.

Chris, it was a great pleasure for me to meet you too.  :-)  You should
all know that Chris Winkley is a great guy.  He's a candid fellow with
a good sense of humor, an enthusiasm for our cars, and an intelligent
outlook on many things.  His girlfriend Terry is also very friendly.  There
was a bit of joking about the slight age difference between our age
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should know, Chris, that it made no difference to me.  Where you are
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This may be the most irritating and amatuer question I could ask, but
what would be the best place (web page?) to get Stealth upgrades? I
looked through Nexus Motorsports, but I was wondering what other ones
there are or if there are better ones? I was planning on adding a good
turbo kit, exhaust..the whole 9 yards practically. Thanks :)

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Does anyone know anything about the 3000GT in these pictures??

It's probably modified alot and not just the outside, notice the huge front mount Intercooler. I wonder if that is a carbon fiber hood.

http://members.aol.com/HyBrID111/3000gt.html

/Mikael

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Chien from Nexus is very helpful and he was the one who figured out how to
install the Blitz stuff (Mikael and me). I always speak with him at first and
often when doing the deal :)

Try these links :

New and used parts :  http://home.hiwaay.net/~gclayton/dsmtrader/
David Buschurs site : http://www.buschurracing.com/ (he's selling the Datalogger
too)
Extreme Motorsports : http://www.extrememotorsports.com/ (never got an answer
from them)
Alamo Motorsports :   http://alamomotorsports.com/ (the source of the good dp)
Zen Motorsports :     http://www.zen-motorsports.com/

-----------------------
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93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
K&N FIPK,Magnecor wires,Blitz DSBC/gauge/Dual Timer,Apexi AFC,SBOV,
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Ahhh, this looks like the FMIC I got from Brian :) I still don't know how to fit
it in place as I do have the water reservoir for the lights sprays in the
bumper.

But the front bumper looks like a Supra :( ... don't like it that much.

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Has anyone had a problem with break calibers, I took my car to the shop
today to get the breaks checked out. I was informed by the shop that it
would need new calibers. Could anyone explain to me why would it need
such a thing.

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You should really ask the shop why they are bad.  If they are unwilling to
explain, find another shop.

Calipers can hang up, get frozen from rust etc.  Generally it is from
neglect.  (Not changing your brake fluid every two years)  Sooner if you
live in a humid climate.

> Brad
>
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Has anyone had a problem with break calibers, I took my car to the shop
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would need new calibers. Could anyone explain to me why would it need
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When you relocate the battery into the trunk, do you need a special battery
case (sealed and vented) because it will be located in the passenger cabin
(hatchback vrs a true trunk)?

Thanks

Jeffrey
92 RT/Turbo
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Richard...

Calipers are normally rebuilt using kits with new cups and soft parts,
perhaps new pistons if they're badly pitted. The cylinders can be honed. I'd
be concerned if someone told me I needed all new calipers and couldn't
explain why.

Looking forward...Chris

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Has anyone had a problem with break calibers, I took my car to the shop
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From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
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Subject: RE: Team3S: Relocating the battery
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:41:32 -0700
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I've wondered how to address this one too.

I plan to relocate my battery before the car gets back on the road but when
I do it I plan to use a gel-pack style of battery.  I don't like the idea of
hydrogen producing liquid cells in the passenger compartment.  I don't like
the idea of sacrifcing the spare tire but I may end up putting the battery
there although it could probably go where one of the storage trays currently
live.

What have others done?  Anyone have installation pictures?


Barry

> -----Original Message-----
> When you relocate the battery into the trunk, do you need a
> special battery
> case (sealed and vented) because it will be located in the passenger cabin
> (hatchback vrs a true trunk)?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jeffrey
> 92 RT/Turbo
> www.omega-sw.com/stealth

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This car is Joshua Seung's car and is a GT ALLEY car. The front mount in
this picture is no longer on the car. Instead, we made him a new front mount
and it covers the ENTIRE front mouth (no gap at ALL). All you see is
intercooler.

Yes, this is the GT ALLEY carbon fiber hood. This car is a 91' with the
94'up front end conversion. The car also sports a Veilside kit from a Supra,
modified to fit along with a Extremor/Veilside front bumper (split in half).

Thanks,
Brian@
The GT ALLEY
3/S Performance Central
-----Original Message-----
From: Mikael Åkesson <vr4@bahnhof.se>
To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com' <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 8:48 AM
Subject: Team3S: whos car?


>Does anyone know anything about the 3000GT in these pictures??
>
>It's probably modified alot and not just the outside, notice the huge front
mount Intercooler. I wonder if that is a carbon fiber hood.
>
>http://members.aol.com/HyBrID111/3000gt.html
>
>/Mikael
>
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In a message dated 12/2/98 2:26:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jefyoung@ix.netcom.com writes:

<< When you relocate the battery into the trunk, do you need a special battery
case (sealed and vented) because it will be located in the passenger cabin
(hatchback vrs a true trunk)?
  >>

I have the battery reloacted to the trunk in my dad's '95 Pont. Formula.  We
used a boat battery box (plastic, very cost effective) which works really
well.  Summit sells a similar type batter box really cheap.  Morroso <sp?> has
a really nice box which is more of an air-tight design, but its more
expensive.

However, to be NHRA legal you need to have it vented (ie. tubing to the
outside of the car) and the batter box has to be bolted down using two
specified diameter thick bolts.. I dont have the NHRA book handy, but I'm sure
someone on the list can help us out here..!?  I also think Turbo magazine came
out with an issue that listed the NHRA requirements not to long ago....that
sound list what size we need :).

TTYLater,
Mike Mahaffey
'94 Stealth tt
Best et: 11.6 Best mph: 120.7
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I don't know who exactly drive this car.. but I seen it on the streets
in Rowland Heights (s. cal). Very clean and the best 3000 i seen!

George




---=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_=C5kesson?= <vr4@bahnhof.se> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know anything about the 3000GT in these pictures??
>
> It's probably modified alot and not just the outside, notice the
huge front mount Intercooler. I wonder if that is a carbon fiber hood.
>
> http://members.aol.com/HyBrID111/3000gt.html
>
> /Mikael
>
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I relocated my battery to the trunk a few weeks ago. I use a Optima =
yellow top. This is an expensive battery but it will last forever =
(allmost) a good thing with the optima is that is totally sealed and can =
be mounted in any possition even upside down! I have routed 21cm2 cables =
from the trunk to the engine compartment. First I used the chassi as =
ground but that resulted in a small "bzzz" sound in my stereo so now I =
have a cable for the ground as well. I have 100 Ah automatic fuse on the =
battery for security.

I mounted the battery in the back right corner, I have taken the black =
plastic "box" out and the battery fits perfectly.

//Mikael Akesson http://www.bahnhof.se/~vr4=20

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Team3S: Relocating the battery

When you relocate the battery into the trunk, do you need a special =
battery
case (sealed and vented) because it will be located in the passenger =
cabin
(hatchback vrs a true trunk)?

Thanks

Jeffrey
92 RT/Turbo
www.omega-sw.com/stealth

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Maybe we could make a list of pros and cons for relocating the battery..

These are some Pros I though of..

-Without the battery box, changing the tranny/clutch would take ~20 less
minutes
-Without the battery box, access to the rear turbo and associated vacuum lines
is significantly easier (which would make it easier to pull the wastegates :P
and or check for vacuum leaks)
-Without the battery box, there is more room for a custom BOV mounting
location
-Without the battery box, the fuel filter would be easily accessible
-Without the battery box, there is more room to make a custom cold-air box
-Without the battery box, for those using the VPC, it is possible to replace
the stock inlet tubing with a direct tube off each turbo (which could have its
own, separate air-filter)
-With the batter in the trunk, it would be subject to less frequent/severe
temperature changes which could helps its longevity

A few cons...

-expensive (cant skimp out on cheap cables, it could lead to problems down the
road and low voltages)
-have to run battery cables to the trunk = added weight
-takes up even more room in a trunk that really doesn't have much to start
with


With those pros and cons, it looks like relocating the battery may bennefit
those who are heavy into racing their Stealth/VR4 (meaning go through clutches
frequently, pull the wastegates at the track, need more room for custom mods
like larger BOVs, etc).


TTYLater,
Mike Mahaffey
'94 Stealth tt
Best et: 11.6 Best mph: 120.7
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A few more PROs:

You can route a fat and short cable directly to your fuel pump to be =
sure it work at 100%

Wheight distribution will be better.

I have space enough for a water cooled intercooler :)

One con is that you have to design a small bracket to hold the water =
bottle to the windscreen spray thing (can't find the right word :) but =
that was very easy.

/Mikael Akesson

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To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Relocating the battery

Maybe we could make a list of pros and cons for relocating the battery..

These are some Pros I though of..

-Without the battery box, changing the tranny/clutch would take ~20 less
minutes
-Without the battery box, access to the rear turbo and associated vacuum =
lines
is significantly easier (which would make it easier to pull the =
wastegates :P
and or check for vacuum leaks)
-Without the battery box, there is more room for a custom BOV mounting
location
-Without the battery box, the fuel filter would be easily accessible
-Without the battery box, there is more room to make a custom cold-air =
box
-Without the battery box, for those using the VPC, it is possible to =
replace
the stock inlet tubing with a direct tube off each turbo (which could =
have its
own, separate air-filter)
-With the batter in the trunk, it would be subject to less =
frequent/severe
temperature changes which could helps its longevity

A few cons...

-expensive (cant skimp out on cheap cables, it could lead to problems =
down the
road and low voltages)
-have to run battery cables to the trunk =3D added weight
-takes up even more room in a trunk that really doesn't have much to =
start
with


With those pros and cons, it looks like relocating the battery may =
bennefit
those who are heavy into racing their Stealth/VR4 (meaning go through =
clutches
frequently, pull the wastegates at the track, need more room for custom =
mods
like larger BOVs, etc).


TTYLater,
Mike Mahaffey
'94 Stealth tt
Best et: 11.6 Best mph: 120.7
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Mikael;

I will be using an Optima Red Top which is also a sealed unit.  Did you run
the cables through the same channel as the fuel supply and return lines or
did you run them inside?

Thanks

Jeffrey
92 RT/Turbo
www.omega-sw.com/stealth



I relocated my battery to the trunk a few weeks ago. I use a Optima yellow
top. This is an expensive battery but it will last forever (allmost) a good
thing with the optima is that is totally sealed and can be mounted in any
possition even upside down! I have routed 21cm2 cables from the trunk to the
engine compartment. First I used the chassi as ground but that resulted in a
small "bzzz" sound in my stereo so now I have a cable for the ground as
well. I have 100 Ah automatic fuse on the battery for security.

I mounted the battery in the back right corner, I have taken the black
plastic "box" out and the battery fits perfectly.

//Mikael Akesson http://www.bahnhof.se/~vr4



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Hi Mikael,

> I will provide more info as soon as I have more information about the system and all it's components. I would be glad if you all can send me your "wish lists" on things that you want to have in the system. For example: is it a good thing to have boost control or do we all want to continue with our boost controlers that easily can be changed without a computer??!!?
>
> I don't have all information so please let me hear all your suggestions.

I think boost control would be a good idea.  I like the fact of having
one engine control system since everything is inter-related.  For
example, in lean conditions, the ECS algorithm could first try to
increase the injector duty cycle, then retard the timing, then lower the
set boost.   If knock is detected, an appropriate algorithm could also
be invoked (reduce boost?).

Other items for the wish list:
1) Use a dual solenoid valve like the one Blitz uses for the DSBC for
highest resolution of control.
2) Have complete data logging capability for 30 seconds of run time (or
perhaps use some type of recorder for longer times).  Have an interface
that we can analyze the data on a PC.
3) Include horsepower calculating ability like The Home Dyno
(http://www.charm.net/~mchaney/homedyno/dynokit.htm)
4) Provide some type of display(s) like the one used by the TRE MASC.
Maybe have some type of input too (small keypad or something).
5) Utilize optional additional sensors such as Air-Fuel and Exhaust Gas
Temperature.  Maybe a better knock sensor too.
6) Package it as a replacement ECU (I imagine that this would be a lot
of work!) with programable parameters such as rev limiter, etc.  Provide
connections for above displays, sensors, data recorder, boost solenoid
valve.

As you can tell, I am basically 'wishing' for one product/system that
would take the place of a G-Force ECU, boost controller, TRE MASC,
VPC/GCC or AFC, Data logger, Home Dyno, and who knows what else I
forgot.  I hope I'm not wishing for too much!  If it did all this, I'm
sure you'll have many folks lining up, especially if it will cost less
than $2K.

Good luck,
Ken

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General Atomics
San Diego
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Mikael:

Mikael Åkesson wrote:
>
> I relocated my battery to the trunk a few weeks ago. [...] I have routed 21cm2 cables from the trunk to the engine compartment.

<snip>

What are the chances of taking a few pictures showing the installed
battery and the cable routing/path you used and posting them (or mailing
them) so those interested can see your setup?  I, for one, would be
*very* interested in doing this.

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Emerald Green 94 R/T
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I'm in the middle of doing a relocation, myself. I'm using a Black Panther
Predator batterry, mounted in a custom home-made sealed and vented box.

If you pull the rear trim in the trunk, there is exactly 8" of space between
the rear (metal) wall of the trunk and the hump for the fuel filler line. My
batterry is about 6" wide, which gives me 1" on either side of the batterry
for airspace and the walls of the box. The box ended up being about 8" wide
by 10" long, and contains a 0.5" gap all the way around the battery. A 3/4"
vinyl tube vents to the outside of the car.

I'll have to cut the trim around the box when I install everything, but I
will not lose any significant trunk space. The box bolts down to the floor
of the trunk, outside of the fuel tank, above the passenger's side exhaust
pipe.

I removed the rear windshield washer fluid resevoir to make space for the
box, and there's a small computer back there that I relocated to the cavity
where the washer resevoit used to fit.

I'm going to run the cables up the passenger side of the car through the
firewall - there's a large wiring tunnel along under the passenger door.

As a side note, I'm going to run the rear washer fluid line forwards, and
link it up to the front resevoir, so I'll still have rear washer fluid. The
line will only have to exend another foot or so - given where the resevoir
is stock, the original line is pretty long.

So, in summarry, if you're willing to do the work, you can have a sealed,
externally vented batterry box without sacrificing any real trunk space.

PICTURES: I don't own a camera (no joke). But if anyone wants to come by my
place in Fairfax, VA this weekend and take pictures, everything is
completely disassembled and in plain view at the moment.

   -Ed
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Jeffrey Young <jefyoung@ix.netcom.com> Wrote:
Did you run the cables through the same channel as the fuel supply and return lines or did you run them inside?
>>>

I routed the cables on the passenger side of the car. Take the plastic panel at the instep away and just use the tunnel that runs under the floor mat. Then I just layed the cables under the plasic side interior all the way back to the corner. Be sure that you don't have any signal cables to the stereo here that will cause bad sound and generator sounds in the speakers.

Behind the original possition of the battery there is a hole thru the firewall that I used, I had to use hand dish wash liquid (word??) on the cables to be able to get them to "glide" thru the rubber seal in the firewall.

The way that Edward did his installation is a nicer looking sollution than mine but mine is alot easier to do and can be relocated again to look stock without any damage to the interior.

/Mikael

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I'll try to get some pictures during the week end and post them to my web page. I'll let you guys know when it's ready.

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What are the chances of taking a few pictures showing the installed
battery and the cable routing/path you used and posting them (or mailing them) so those interested can see your setup?  I, for one, would be *very* interested in doing this.


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After a day of fiddling around with my shift linkage, I was able to find
reverse gear and back the car out of the garage.  My first trip was to the
gas station and then to Dunkin Donuts for a celebratory "large one, cream
and sugar please".  The car runs perfectly.  Perfectly until I blew the
front turbo I/C hose off.  Since it came off the first time I went under
boost, I couldn't get any readings/impressions of performance.  A
seat-of-the-pants impression would be useless anyway, after driving a Honda
Civic for the last 7 months.

The clutch/gearbox/shift linkage still needs some work.  The 2->1 grinding
is gone, but now the clutch feels like there's only about 1" of travel and
it's not disengaging completely.  This is indicated by grinding when I
attempt to put it into 2nd gear while at a dead stop with the motor running.
There was a little 1->2 grinding as well.  Since that's a new synchro, I'm
sure that a clutch adjustment is in order.

Also, the factory shop manual appears to be unspecific about placement of
those bushings I mentioned a couple of days ago.   Since I'm probably
missing one, I'm going to order the whole set from TallMits and go back
through everything before I hit the gears hard.  I don't want to blow a gear
because of my own stupidity.

So far, I'm satisfied.  All smoke (other than a really bad over-rich
condition) disappeared 10 minutes after the motor was started the first
time.  It idles perfectly at 850 RPM despite my having removed that entire
cluster of vacuum hoses from the top of the throttle body and blocked them
all off.  The only little hose left runs from the hidden FPR solenoid to the
stock FPR.  There are a couple of silicone hoses for the BOV, EVC and
Cartech FPR (which I decided to keep since I've never melted down with it
installed).

I love the new location of the EGT probe -- tapped directly into the rear
exhaust manifold.  It now shows 1050F cruising in 5th gear at around 1800
RPM.  In its previous location, it would muster only 750 or 800F at that
speed.  So, as I suspected, the turbo does in fact, cool the exhaust around
250 degrees.

Gone is the evap canister and gone are the 4 hard lines that run from right
before the rear turbo to the front of the car.  Will it pass emissions now?
Who cares?  The EVC actuator line tees off to both actuators with equal
lengths of hose.  I relocated some VPC-related connectors, etc., to
unclutter the firewall a bit.  I liked Brad's "bare bones" look and decided
to copy it.  My engine bay still needs to be cleaned up -- replacing
tattered electrical tape, painting over scratches, getting rid of dirt,
grease, etc. will be done in the next few days.  Then, I'll get some
pictures of the new setup and put them up on my site.

-Bob

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----- M.A. wrote: ---------
The way that Edward did his installation is a nicer looking sollution than
mine but mine is alot easier to do and can be relocated again to look stock
without any damage to the interior.
---------------------------

Quite true. Cutting trim, relocating computers and fluid resevoirs, and
drilling bolt-holes in the body make my solution quite a bit more permanent.

   -Ed
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Hey Bob,

Congrats to the great work (I wish I had a shop-like garage, hehe).

> Perfectly until I blew the front turbo I/C hose off.

With the SBOV from HKS I blew off the rubber hose that leads to the aluminum
tube where the BOV sits on several times. Fortunately, it's better access as the
hose in the front.

> I love the new location of the EGT probe -- tapped directly into the rear
> exhaust manifold.  It now shows 1050F cruising in 5th gear at around 1800
> RPM.  In its previous location, it would muster only 750 or 800F at that
> speed.  So, as I suspected, the turbo does in fact, cool the exhaust around
> 250 degrees.

Aha, this proofes the theory. Have you made any pictures of it where you tapped
in and do you use aftermarket headers and turbos ?

What about a tapped line that allows to messure the pressure in the manifold
before the turbo. This would be great for preventing any pre-knock situation as
too much back-pressure can cause knock and a pressure sensor acts more quick
than an EGT probe. I think I'll do this on the front one as there is more space
available :)

> Gone is the evap canister and gone are the 4 hard lines that run from right
> before the rear turbo to the front of the car.  Will it pass emissions now?

Therefore, you also blocked the EGR pipe, right ? I'd do everything to keep the
intake cool and this would be the first one. Unfortunately, emmission test must
be done evry two years. Also my mechanic told me that blocking the EGR can kill
the rear pre-cat due to the hotter gases (huh ?). Comments ?

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Roger, Barry, Darc & all, I finally got the car back today with the
boost done, an extra 70+ HP & it runs beatifully.
The boost increase was achieved by altering the frequencies that
activate the stock solenoid via the ECU & new plugs & fuel filter were
put in.
The old plugs were worn down on the tips by 0.5mm & they weren't due to
be changed for another 13000km (8000miles), so they probably weren't
helping much in that condition.
The car is a 93 & the stock pressure was peaking at 9 psi, then fading
to 7 psi WOT.
With this new mod the pressure peaks at 13.5 psi but holds 12 psi at
WOT. So where the power was begining to drop away at WOT, it now just
keeps on pulling,... I know there are alot of guys on this list that are
putting out a hell of alot more power than this, but jeez I cant beleive
the difference it makes to the car.
The best thing of all is that the car looks totally stock. I'm even
running the original air box ( with a K&N replacement filament )which
means I won't loose my factory warrantye because nothing under the hood
is different. This will also help when I go to sell the car because
modified cars in Australia ( I suppose its the same everywhere )are
harder to sell, & I didn't really want to have to remove a whole lot of
stuff before I sell it,...which I'm not sure I will be able to now or if
I do I dont know what I'm going to replace it with!!
Cheers
Andrew
Australia
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> Aha, this proofes the theory. Have you made any pictures of it
> where you tapped in and do you use aftermarket headers and turbos ?

Yes, I have a couple of pictures of it that I will locate and post.

> What about a tapped line that allows to messure the pressure in
> the manifold before the turbo. This would be great for preventing any
> pre-knock situation as too much back-pressure can cause knock and a
> pressure sensor acts more quick than an EGT probe. I think I'll do
> this on the front one as there is more space available :)

There shouldn't be too much of a problem doing it.  Especially to the front
header since there is easier access for drilling and tapping.
Question: Once you determine that you're in a pre-knock condition based on
excessive back pressure, what action do you intend to take?
Is this part of a longer-term engine management project?

> Therefore, you also blocked the EGR pipe, right ? I'd do
> everything to keep the intake cool and this would be the first one. >
Unfortunately, emmission test must be done evry two years. Also my
> mechanic told me that blocking the EGR can kill the rear pre-cat due > to
the hotter gases (huh ?). Comments ?

My EGR pipe was already blocked but I still had all of the hoses and
solenoid hooked up.  I don't see how blocking the EGR will kill the rear
pre-cat.  If you have a rear pre-cat, there will be some pressure between
the exhaust manifold and the pre-cat.  When the EGR valve is open, some of
that pressure is relieved into the intake manifold.  This only occurs under
vacuum.  If the intake manifold is under pressure (boost) then the EGR valve
is closed so you don't loose boost out your rear 02/EGR housing.

The purpose of the EGR is to recirculate some of the warmer exhaust gases
back into the intake manifold to assist in cold start and engine warm-up.
It also serves as an emissions reducer since cold exhaust is always
fuel-laden.  This is what the mechanic is most likely referring to.  When
your motor is cold, the pre-cat isn't hot enough up the excess fuel in your
exhaust.  Unaltered, it gets to the *main* catalytic converter.  The unburnt
fuel in the exhaust wreaks havoc with the catalyst, destroying it.  I'm not
sure how significant a role your EGR plays in the elimination/reduction of
unburnt fuel.

If you intend to run with a main cat, then you must keep your pre-cats.
Otherwise, the main cat will end up damaged from cold starts.

I'll find those pictures of the EGT probe.

-Bob

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Hey Andrew,

Glad to hear of the successful installation and power you got. As you know the
power increase email me your dyno sheet and I'll post it on my homepage. It
would be very interesting to see the differencies between your and my car :)
(you can also FAX it but I guess the quality would be bad then). Or make a copy
of it and send it to me in exchange to a nice Chocolate bar from Switrzerland
;-)

> 70+ HP

Simple calculation : 13.5psi - 9psi = 4.5psi -> 70hp / 4.5psi = 15.5hp per psi

Usually you'll get between 10 - 15hp per psi, depending on the mods. As I added
the bleeder valve we had a gain of around 14.5hp per psi (13G turbos) therefore,
your's in the same range.

> The boost increase was achieved by altering the frequencies that
> activate the stock solenoid via the ECU & new plugs & fuel filter were
> put in.

Plugs and fuel filter makes sense but I still don't know what your mechanic
exactly did. I doubt that he changed ANYTHING in the ECU as this could only be
done by adding a dauther board to it (cost intensive). The only idea I can think
of is that he added an electronic circuit between the ECU and the stock solenoid
that then changes the behaivour of it. The stock solenoid is open, alternates at
one specific frequency or is closed. These three stages can be easily detected
and then changed but it makes no sense without a boost sensing device.

If he changed the ECU then it makes no sense why he didn't changed the fuel
curve at the same time. Everything sounds a little bit strange ;-)

> With this new mod the pressure peaks at 13.5 psi but holds 12 psi at
> WOT.

This is a conservative but very save setting :)

> The best thing of all is that the car looks totally stock.

Yes it looks as there MUST be a device (I still believe it's the $5 bleeder
valve) somewhare mounted. Even with a bleeder valve the car looks totally stock
as it can be hidden pretty well.

> This will also help when I go to sell the car because
> modified cars in Australia ( I suppose its the same everywhere )are
> harder to sell, & I didn't really want to have to remove a whole lot of
> stuff before I sell it

Ok, but the bleeder valve is also removed within 5 minutes and onother 15
minutes for the Boost controller and 15 minutes for the K&N replacing with the
stock box. Really not a big deal. Only the plug wires, but I'd tell the buyer
that a Wombat have eaten the original ones and the dealer put some advanced ones
in :)

Andrew, it's necessary that we learn more about the mod the mechnaic did as it
could sound like a cheap boost controller solution. I was told the same like you
by the tuning-guy in Switzerland 3 years ago. As I learned more and more about
the car and what a bleeder valve is I found out that he extremely screwed me as
he only put a bleeder into the car and sold this mod as a 20% Power Package with
ECU tuning for more than $1500 !!! He now owes me a lot of dyno sessions :)

Let us know
Roger

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93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)

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For Roger and anyone else interested, there are pictures of the EGT probe
relocation at:

http://www.gate.net/~mits/98r026.jpg

http://www.gate.net/~mits/98r027.jpg

-Bob

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Maybe I'm a little stupid now... But why does the EGR pipe have to be blocked? Isn't it just to block the pressure solenoid that opens the valvle? I belive that it's just to block a vacume hose and get the same result. Right ?? WRONG??

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There is a pipe that attaches to the back of the plenum.  It goes into a
separate cavity inside of the plenum that goes back OUT of the plenum and
into the EGR valve.  The valve then allows/disallows the air to re-enter the
plenum in the main cavity where your charge air is.  Even when the EGR valve
is closed (not admitting warm air into the intake manifold) such as when the
car is completely warmed up or under boost, the small cavity is full of
heated air from the EGR pipe.  That ends up heating up your plenum via
conduction.  If you block it off at the flange where the copper pipe joins
the plenum, that smaller cavity never gets heated since no hot exhaust will
ever get inside of the plenum.

-Bob

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>
> Maybe I'm a little stupid now... But why does the EGR pipe have
> to be blocked? Isn't it just to block the pressure solenoid that
> opens the valvle? I belive that it's just to block a vacume hose
> and get the same result. Right ?? WRONG??
>
> /Mikael Akesson http://www.bahnhof.se/~vr4
>
>
>
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Thanks Bob!

I didn't thought about that stupid routing of the gases before the EGR valve.

/Mikael

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>There is a pipe that attaches to the back of the plenum.  It goes into a
>separate cavity inside of the plenum that goes back OUT of the plenum and
>into the EGR valve. 

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Great explanation from Bob !

> I didn't thought about that stupid routing of the gases before the EGR valve.

Unfortunately, the manual (even the EU one) is not showing this perfectly. Even
more the overview picture shows a direct connection to the EGR valve from the
exhaust manifold and in the beginning I was always looking this connection :)

For the winter I removed the EGR blocking to get the warmer intake (brrrr)

Cheers,
Roger

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> For Roger and anyone else interested, there are pictures of the EGT probe
> relocation at:

Very good ! The short probe makes live a lot easier, especially at the stock
exhaust manifolds :) What brand is the probe ?

Thanks, Roger

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The exhaust pressure idea is a good one.

> What about a tapped line that allows to messure the pressure in
> the manifold
> before the turbo. This would be great for preventing any
> pre-knock situation as
> too much back-pressure can cause knock and a pressure sensor acts
> more quick
> than an EGT probe. I think I'll do this on the front one as there
> is more space
> available :)

The problem with getting rid of the EGR is that the ECU still thinks it is
there and behaves accordingly.  It activates it even though there is nothing
to activate.  Once activated the ECU will adjust timing and mixture to
compensate for the heat.  This of course changes the tune of the vehicle.
Manually adjustig for it leaves the car out of tune once the EGR is
deactivated by the ECU.  What really needs to happen is the EGR code in the
ECU also be eliminated.

> Therefore, you also blocked the EGR pipe, right ? I'd do
> everything to keep the
> intake cool and this would be the first one. Unfortunately,
> emmission test must
> be done evry two years. Also my mechanic told me that blocking
> the EGR can kill
> the rear pre-cat due to the hotter gases (huh ?). Comments ?
>
> -----------------------
> Roger Gerl, Switzerland
> 93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)


Regards,

Barry

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So Bob, does the EGR only open during cold start?  I thought it also opened
during other rich conditions like sudden radical TPS changes.


Regards,

Barry

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>
>
> There is a pipe that attaches to the back of the plenum.  It goes into a
> separate cavity inside of the plenum that goes back OUT of the plenum and
> into the EGR valve.  The valve then allows/disallows the air to
> re-enter the
> plenum in the main cavity where your charge air is.  Even when
> the EGR valve
> is closed (not admitting warm air into the intake manifold) such
> as when the
> car is completely warmed up or under boost, the small cavity is full of
> heated air from the EGR pipe.  That ends up heating up your plenum via
> conduction.  If you block it off at the flange where the copper pipe joins
> the plenum, that smaller cavity never gets heated since no hot
> exhaust will
> ever get inside of the plenum.
>
> -Bob

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The ECU closes the valve under boost, so we know there's no detriment to
performance by running without it while in boosted state.  When cruising,
the ECU will open the valve up even when the motor is warm.  But after two
years of stick time with the block plate installed, I was still getting 24
MPG @ 80 MPH.  It's hard to tell just what the down side of this
modification is other than "removing or modifying a pollution control
device". :-)

-Bob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> [mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of Barry E. King
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 1998 10:27 AM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Break out the champaign! (headers)
>
>
> The exhaust pressure idea is a good one.
>
> > What about a tapped line that allows to messure the pressure in
> > the manifold
> > before the turbo. This would be great for preventing any
> > pre-knock situation as
> > too much back-pressure can cause knock and a pressure sensor acts
> > more quick
> > than an EGT probe. I think I'll do this on the front one as there
> > is more space
> > available :)
>
> The problem with getting rid of the EGR is that the ECU still thinks it is
> there and behaves accordingly.  It activates it even though there
> is nothing
> to activate.  Once activated the ECU will adjust timing and mixture to
> compensate for the heat.  This of course changes the tune of the vehicle.
> Manually adjustig for it leaves the car out of tune once the EGR is
> deactivated by the ECU.  What really needs to happen is the EGR
> code in the
> ECU also be eliminated.
>
> > Therefore, you also blocked the EGR pipe, right ? I'd do
> > everything to keep the
> > intake cool and this would be the first one. Unfortunately,
> > emmission test must
> > be done evry two years. Also my mechanic told me that blocking
> > the EGR can kill
> > the rear pre-cat due to the hotter gases (huh ?). Comments ?
> >
> > -----------------------
> > Roger Gerl, Switzerland
> > 93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Barry
>
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> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
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Okay, well, that's cool then.  Presumably one could rely on the ECU's fuel
trim to adjust cruise mixture accordingly.  As you say, if it is closed
under boost then we have control over the mixture.

BTW, those probes look identical to the TRE pyrometers.


Regards,

Barry

> -----Original Message-----
>
> The ECU closes the valve under boost, so we know there's no detriment to
> performance by running without it while in boosted state.  When cruising,
> the ECU will open the valve up even when the motor is warm.  But after two
> years of stick time with the block plate installed, I was still getting 24
> MPG @ 80 MPH.  It's hard to tell just what the down side of this
> modification is other than "removing or modifying a pollution control
> device". :-)
>
> -Bob
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> > [mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of Barry E. King
> > Sent: Friday, December 04, 1998 10:27 AM
> > To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> > Subject: RE: Team3S: Break out the champaign! (headers)
> >
> >
> > The exhaust pressure idea is a good one.
> >
> > > What about a tapped line that allows to messure the pressure in
> > > the manifold
> > > before the turbo. This would be great for preventing any
> > > pre-knock situation as
> > > too much back-pressure can cause knock and a pressure sensor acts
> > > more quick
> > > than an EGT probe. I think I'll do this on the front one as there
> > > is more space
> > > available :)
> >
> > The problem with getting rid of the EGR is that the ECU still
> thinks it is
> > there and behaves accordingly.  It activates it even though there
> > is nothing
> > to activate.  Once activated the ECU will adjust timing and mixture to
> > compensate for the heat.  This of course changes the tune of
> the vehicle.
> > Manually adjustig for it leaves the car out of tune once the EGR is
> > deactivated by the ECU.  What really needs to happen is the EGR
> > code in the
> > ECU also be eliminated.
> >
> > > Therefore, you also blocked the EGR pipe, right ? I'd do
> > > everything to keep the
> > > intake cool and this would be the first one. Unfortunately,
> > > emmission test must
> > > be done evry two years. Also my mechanic told me that blocking
> > > the EGR can kill
> > > the rear pre-cat due to the hotter gases (huh ?). Comments ?
> > >
> > > -----------------------
> > > Roger Gerl, Switzerland
> > > 93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Barry

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Roger,

One way would be to put a restictive orifice in the line.  Based on previous
discussions with Andrew I believe this is what the tuner did.  You would
have to play around with orifice sizes until you found one that caused the
desired behavior.


Regards,

Barry

> -----Original Message-----

<snip>

> Plugs and fuel filter makes sense but I still don't know what
> your mechanic
> exactly did. I doubt that he changed ANYTHING in the ECU as this
> could only be
> done by adding a dauther board to it (cost intensive). The only
> idea I can think
> of is that he added an electronic circuit between the ECU and the
> stock solenoid
> that then changes the behaivour of it. The stock solenoid is
> open, alternates at
> one specific frequency or is closed. These three stages can be
> easily detected
> and then changed but it makes no sense without a boost sensing device.




> If he changed the ECU then it makes no sense why he didn't
> changed the fuel
> curve at the same time. Everything sounds a little bit strange ;-)
>
> > With this new mod the pressure peaks at 13.5 psi but holds 12 psi at
> > WOT.
>
> This is a conservative but very save setting :)
>
> > The best thing of all is that the car looks totally stock.
>
> Yes it looks as there MUST be a device (I still believe it's the
> $5 bleeder
> valve) somewhare mounted. Even with a bleeder valve the car looks
> totally stock
> as it can be hidden pretty well.

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The probe is part of the VDO EGT.  It is over 2" in length which wouldn't
allow me to insert it all the way into the opening since it would hit the
opposite side of the manifold wall.  Instead, I lightly screwed in the brass
cap with a compression fitting first, then inserted the probe up to the
stopper rib and torqued the cap down.  This causes the compression fitting
to tighten up around the probe.  It's not going anywhere like that and
prevents the tip of the probe from touching anything.

-Bob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> [mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of Barry E. King
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 1998 10:37 AM
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>
>
> Okay, well, that's cool then.  Presumably one could rely on the ECU's fuel
> trim to adjust cruise mixture accordingly.  As you say, if it is closed
> under boost then we have control over the mixture.
>
> BTW, those probes look identical to the TRE pyrometers.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Barry
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > The ECU closes the valve under boost, so we know there's no detriment to
> > performance by running without it while in boosted state.  When
> cruising,
> > the ECU will open the valve up even when the motor is warm.
> But after two
> > years of stick time with the block plate installed, I was still
> getting 24
> > MPG @ 80 MPH.  It's hard to tell just what the down side of this
> > modification is other than "removing or modifying a pollution control
> > device". :-)
> >
> > -Bob
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> > > [mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of
> Barry E. King
> > > Sent: Friday, December 04, 1998 10:27 AM
> > > To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> > > Subject: RE: Team3S: Break out the champaign! (headers)
> > >
> > >
> > > The exhaust pressure idea is a good one.
> > >
> > > > What about a tapped line that allows to messure the pressure in
> > > > the manifold
> > > > before the turbo. This would be great for preventing any
> > > > pre-knock situation as
> > > > too much back-pressure can cause knock and a pressure sensor acts
> > > > more quick
> > > > than an EGT probe. I think I'll do this on the front one as there
> > > > is more space
> > > > available :)
> > >
> > > The problem with getting rid of the EGR is that the ECU still
> > thinks it is
> > > there and behaves accordingly.  It activates it even though there
> > > is nothing
> > > to activate.  Once activated the ECU will adjust timing and mixture to
> > > compensate for the heat.  This of course changes the tune of
> > the vehicle.
> > > Manually adjustig for it leaves the car out of tune once the EGR is
> > > deactivated by the ECU.  What really needs to happen is the EGR
> > > code in the
> > > ECU also be eliminated.
> > >
> > > > Therefore, you also blocked the EGR pipe, right ? I'd do
> > > > everything to keep the
> > > > intake cool and this would be the first one. Unfortunately,
> > > > emmission test must
> > > > be done evry two years. Also my mechanic told me that blocking
> > > > the EGR can kill
> > > > the rear pre-cat due to the hotter gases (huh ?). Comments ?
> > > >
> > > > -----------------------
> > > > Roger Gerl, Switzerland
> > > > 93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Barry
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>If anyone is interested in the MASC, please e-mial me and I'll
>create a list to show Dave there really is a market out there!!

Augh!

Say it isn't so!!!!

I was planning on buying a MASC in February! Literally! - I get a bonus from
my job in January, and probably a small tax refund, and I was going to use
some of the money to buy a MASC!

Quick, what's TRE's email / phone number / url? If it's true that they're
shutting down production, I'm going to dig up a credit card and order one
ASAP...

(Dang, why'd it take me this long to work through my backlog of Thanksgiving
mail!?!)

    -Ed
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> There shouldn't be too much of a problem doing it.  Especially to the front
> header since there is easier access for drilling and tapping.
> Question: Once you determine that you're in a pre-knock condition based on
> excessive back pressure, what action do you intend to take?
> Is this part of a longer-term engine management project?

Or short term. The controller for the diag tool I use has 8 analog inputs and
two of them should be EGT and exhauhst manifold pressure. I'm currently looking
around for a device that is able to read that high pressures (I think the boost
sensor that comes with the VPC could read up to 5 bars, I'm not sure). With the
warning setting for each channel I'd be able to activate two relais controlling
any solenoid. The idea could be opening a parallel solenoid valve to the BC
solenoid to reduce boost.

// Roger

-----------------------
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Here it is:

http://www.teamrip.com/

Jose

"Fein, Edward" wrote:
><SNIP>
> Augh!
>
> Say it isn't so!!!!
>
><SNIP>
> Quick, what's TRE's email / phone number / url? If it's true that they're
> shutting down production, I'm going to dig up a credit card and order one
> ASAP...
>
><SNIP>
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R.G. wrote:
> I doubt that he changed ANYTHING in the ECU as this could only be
> done by adding a dauther board to it (cost intensive). The only idea I can think
> of is that he added an electronic circuit between the ECU and the stock solenoid
> that then changes the behaivour of it. The stock solenoid is open, alternates at
> one specific frequency or is closed. These three stages can be easily detected
> and then changed but it makes no sense without a boost sensing device.
>
> If he changed the ECU then it makes no sense why he didn't changed the fuel
> curve at the same time. Everything sounds a little bit strange ;-)


Roger health scepticism!!!
I sign a contract with this guy that said he was doing what he said &
not, I repeat NOT installing a bleeder valve . So if he did & I find out
about he will be in breach of the trade practices act & his ass will be
grass.
However, I have looked right over the car & will damned if I can see a
bleeder valve ( & I know where to look ).
I will call him & verify exactly what he has done but I really don't
think he is taking me for a ride.
>From what I can gather & as you know ( & probably many members of this
list ) I'm not the most mechanically minded person here, he doesn't use
a bleeder valve as he says the car already has one in the form of the
stock solenoid. Now, what he says he does is alter the behaviour of the
stock solenoid so that it will release more pressure that would
otherwise go to the wastegate actuators therefore the wastegates open
later. How he does this ....I can't say with any great authority & I
want to be sure of what I say becuase I know you guys really know your
stuff. So what I will do is speak to him on Monday or ASAP & get the
"exact" details.
I will post this details as soon as I get them ,,hmmmm...better take a
pen & note pad with me when I go to see him.
Cheers
Andrew
Australia
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> Roger health scepticism!!!

Haha, sorry but sometimes I leaer faster, sometimes not (grin).

> I sign a contract with this guy that said he was doing what he said &
> not, I repeat NOT installing a bleeder valve . So if he did & I find out
> about he will be in breach of the trade practices act & his ass will be
> grass.

Hey, no offence broh. I did not made this contract and paid for this :(

> Now, what he says he does is alter the behaviour of the
> stock solenoid so that it will release more pressure that would
> otherwise go to the wastegate actuators therefore the wastegates open
> later.

After finding out what "orifice" (thanks to Brian) means in my language this
makes sense : He only makes the opening larger (if necessary) as well as he
bores a small hole into the inner side of the valve. This then releases always
some pressure out to the intake part and therefore acts like a bleeder but IN
the valve and NOT visible. This makes sense ... and it works. Of course, as
brian said, there is some testing necessary until the good setup is found. If
the hole gets too big you'll overboost to the danger level and cannot be
returned. That's why he set a conservative boost level as it isn't adjustable.
Yes, I got it, and this works indeed :)

One little drawback if you ever have a problem : If a dealer tests the
wastegates functionality they fill found a leak in the lines and finally will
replace the solenoid valve because it is "damaged" (i.e. modified) as it leaks.
Just make sure then that they will not throw away the modified one :)

Take care ... and have fun with the extra power ;-)
Roger

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R.G. wrote:
>

> One little drawback if you ever have a problem : If a dealer tests the
> wastegates functionality they fill found a leak in the lines and finally will
> replace the solenoid valve because it is "damaged" (i.e. modified) as it leaks.
> Just make sure then that they will not throw away the modified one :)

I'm going to get this tuning guy to service the car from now on. I think
thats probably best since he is familiar with it & what he has done.
One other thing he said was that the car could run 16 psi quite
comfortably with a "fuel cut" installed, which could be put up under the
dash area or somewhere else out of the way.
What would this be & what would it do? He sort of infered it protects
against running too lean.
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Australia
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Hi Team;

I took a bit longer to upgrade my computer than I thought I would and
had nearly 100 posts from you all, waiting when I got back. Congrats
Andrew,  Near bumber Bob, and good developements (frm numerous posts)
sound like they are afoot to fill the gap that Tre is leaving with their
departure.

I have a question for our knowledgeable elite, and hope it isn't what I
am thinking. Anyway, I am getting brief rear end shudder when I put my
foot into it in 3rd at 2200RPM or thereabouts.  Is this to be expected
(I'm still fine tuning my BC) or am I running into carrier bearing (or
any number of of other possible problems ie, transfer case, etc)??? It
doesn't seem reasonable to be encountering this at 40k kms...but there
is no telling what the first 25 were like as I did not own it then.
Again, it's brief, noticeable...smooths out, and then breifly occurs
again about when I am having take my foot off to brake for damn corners
we have around here.

Comments please.

Darc...............glad to be back

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shudder, hmm.  If not engine, could be anything from xfer case gears
wearing away, one of driveshaft joints wearing, rearend gear, halfshaft
joint.  Doubt axle bearing.  If any of these, should do it in any gear,
really.  No loose lugnuts, of course.  Third gear in trans is large, and
is takeoff for power to xfer case as I recall. 
Jack T., not-knowledgeable-enough, and my name and 'elite' in same
sentence would give me nausea :P

wce@bc.sympatico.ca wrote:
> question for knowledgeable elite
> getting brief rear end shudder when put my foot into it in 3rd 2200RPM.
> ?carrier bearing, transfer case, etc?
> 40k kms, no telling what first 25 were like, I did not own it then.
> it's brief, noticeable smooths out, then briefly occurs
> again when take foot off to brake for corners
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This sounds like the same shudder that my 95 vr-4, (89k) and my sisters
91 vr-4 (50k) was experiencing. There were plenty of suggestions from
the group each more serious than the last, but both of us were under low
fuel conditions when we felt it. Our cause was some kind of fuel
starvation.

That is not to suggest that is what yours may be, but If you have less
than a 1/4 tank of gas, you may want to fill up and see if you get the
same behavior.

EricL

>From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
>Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 20:40:41 -0800
>To: Team3S <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
>Subject: Team3S: Shudder
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>
>Hi Team;
>
>I took a bit longer to upgrade my computer than I thought I would and
>had nearly 100 posts from you all, waiting when I got back. Congrats
>Andrew,  Near bumber Bob, and good developements (frm numerous posts)
>sound like they are afoot to fill the gap that Tre is leaving with
their
>departure.
>
>I have a question for our knowledgeable elite, and hope it isn't what I
>am thinking. Anyway, I am getting brief rear end shudder when I put my
>foot into it in 3rd at 2200RPM or thereabouts.  Is this to be expected
>(I'm still fine tuning my BC) or am I running into carrier bearing (or
>any number of of other possible problems ie, transfer case, etc)??? It
>doesn't seem reasonable to be encountering this at 40k kms...but there
>is no telling what the first 25 were like as I did not own it then.
>Again, it's brief, noticeable...smooths out, and then breifly occurs
>again about when I am having take my foot off to brake for damn corners
>we have around here.
>
>Comments please.
>
>Darc...............glad to be back
>
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Andrew,

Presumably he will install some sort of fuel cut defencer mechanism.
Usually they are simply a potentiometer that adjusts either the output of
the intake air temperature, manifold air temperature (if so equipped) or
barometric pressure sensor.  Adjusting the output of any of these sesnors
before the ECU reads them can allow the ECU to think more or less air is
present and therefore more or less fuel will be delivered as long as the ECU
is operating within its fuel map.

At WOT above certain a RPM and Outside the parameters of the established
fuel map, the ECU is simply dumping the most amount of fuel it can.  Fuel it
is introduced if more airflow is detected than the ECU thinks the amount of
fuel available can support.  Usually that limit is rather conservative and
can be tweaked somewhat, especially if you are using a device like the AFC,
VPC or MASC for tuning outside the factory fuel map anyway.

Fiddling with the sensors may seem crude but can be effective when properly
tuned and is much less expensive than the "right" way which is to extend or
correct the fuel maps in the ECU.


Regards,

Barry

> -----Original Message-----
> I'm going to get this tuning guy to service the car from now on. I think
> thats probably best since he is familiar with it & what he has done.
> One other thing he said was that the car could run 16 psi quite
> comfortably with a "fuel cut" installed, which could be put up under the
> dash area or somewhere else out of the way.
> What would this be & what would it do? He sort of infered it protects
> against running too lean.
> Andrew
> Australia

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Since the problem appears to be speed related perhaps it is a bent rim,
damaged tire or out of balance tire.

As to running less than 1/4 tank of fuel and hearing associated noises under
WOT, that's a sign that the fuel pump is being overworked.  It relies solely
on fuel to keep it cool.  Under cruise considtions this is normally okay but
at WOT the fuel pump is on most if not all of the time.  At 1/4 tank and
below the pump will be at least partially exposed to air and will not get
adequate cooling.


Regards,

Barry

> -----Original Message-----
> I have a question for our knowledgeable elite, and hope it isn't what I
> am thinking. Anyway, I am getting brief rear end shudder when I put my
> foot into it in 3rd at 2200RPM or thereabouts.  Is this to be expected
> (I'm still fine tuning my BC) or am I running into carrier bearing (or
> any number of of other possible problems ie, transfer case, etc)??? It
> doesn't seem reasonable to be encountering this at 40k kms...but there
> is no telling what the first 25 were like as I did not own it then.
> Again, it's brief, noticeable...smooths out, and then breifly occurs
> again about when I am having take my foot off to brake for damn corners
> we have around here.
>
> Comments please.
>
> Darc...............glad to be back

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wce@bc.sympatico.ca wrote:

> Hi Team;
>
> <<SNIP>> I am getting brief rear end shudder when I put my
> foot into it in 3rd at 2200RPM or thereabouts.  Is this to be expected
> (I'm still fine tuning my BC) or am I running into carrier bearing (or
> any number of of other possible problems ie, transfer case, etc)???

I agree with an earlier post.  Start with your wheels and tires.  It's the most logical
place to begin and it's also probably the cheapest thing to check and/or fix if it does
turn out to be the culprit.  I had a tire that was "out of round" once that caused a
similar thing.  Even though the rim and tire had been balanced repeatedly, I still had a
vibration......new tires...problem gone.

Good luck, this is one of those hunt-and-peck problems.

-Jeff Crabtree
    '91 R/T Turbo
        '93 Wrangler YJ
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Could somebody please tell me what is the approximate
underhood temperature on a VR4?  Specifically the
temperature that is right above the rear turbo heat shield.
I bought some metal tape that I would like to use on the
hood insulator/shield since it tends to get incinerated.
The tape is not to be used on exhaust systems or any
area that exceeds 300 degrees F.

Thanks in advance!

--Errin Humphrey
Yellow 94 VR4

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Errin,

No I don't have any temperature readings but I have a heat shield on the
innerside of the hood mounted. This is stock on the EU 3000GTs and I also think
I saw it on pictures from US cars (others ??). Mine never got incinerated but it
became oily once from the leaking oil cap. The heat then burnt the oil in into
the metallic shield. No big deal.

> The tape is not to be used on exhaust systems or any
> area that exceeds 300 degrees F.

I painted the IC pipe that goes from the rear turbo to the left IC with a 300°F
paint. I've never had any problem with this and that's where the heat is :)

Hope this helps a little,
Roger

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Friends,

Since some days I'm on an email discussion with George Kuo, another proud 3000GT
owner that seems to have a serious problem and I'd like to ask your assist in
this case. I don't know if he already subscribed but I'll jump in here to get
other ideas.

He's car got a rebuild (crankshaft broke, runned without oil, blew a fuel
filter) and now has forget pistons and rods. He runned the Greddy Profec A and
thought it is not working properly (sometimes he got boost, sometimes not). Also
before the rebuild he had low fuel pressure but he says it's back to normal now.
Other mods are TRUST Type-S BOV, AFC, HKS fuel pump, 13G, TRUST Off-road exhaust
(eliminates the pre-cats, like he said) and probably also another air filter.
Also he changed the BC to the Blitz DSBC and now found the same behavior like
wit the Greddy before. Fortunately for him when boost is low, he uses another
setting that gives him the desired 1.0bars. If he then gets overboost he
switches back to another lower setting and is getting again 1.0bars.

The problems :

A) sometimes there's boost, sometimes not (same behavior with diff. BC)
B) He's running into hesitation around 1.0bars and fuel cut just on a little
   higher boost.

Well, remote diagnostic is very hard, but I think there is definitely a problem
within the fuel system. The AFC helps in getting rid of the fuel cut by leaning
it out. But this is only fighting a symptom and not the cause. Especially not at
1.0bars. IMHO, this sounds like a fuel pressure problem as well a vacuum line
problem. He said the car is running good and boosts good until he drove 2-3
miles then everything goes away.

Since I'm no specialist on fuel-system I ask for your help here. Also I need
some support to open the eyes of George as he still thinks he can cure the
problem by adding a VPC, G-Force ECU, bigger injectors and more as well as just
set the params of the Blitz manually on the fly to get the desired boost. I
maybe wrong but I doubt that this is a good way and I see another rebuild coming
if he doesn't find the cause of the problem soon.

I also think his car needs a good look under a lot parts as he doesn't
understand the stuff till today (we all had to learn). The exhaust (no pre-cats
but maybe a main cat), fuel system and vacuum system needs a good inspection as
I think the dog lies somewhere in there.

Thanks in advance,
Roger

George Kuo's address is : amkreadgto@yahoo.com

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93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)

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R.G. wrote:

> Errin,
>
> No I don't have any temperature readings but I have a heat shield on the
> innerside of the hood mounted. This is stock on the EU 3000GTs and I also think
> I saw it on pictures from US cars (others ??).

                                                           <snip>
The North American 1st generation cars have a metal  heat shield which does not extend
all the way forward Roger. It sounds like perhaps the Euro models do, and the frazzled
silver protectant film on the heat blanket is consequently not a problem. Here it is
problem after a few years as it looks scabby where the heat scorches it off just forward
of the metal shield. I do not recall anyone with a 2nd generation complaining about
this, so Mitsu/Dodge must have corrected it by then.

>
>
>                                           <snip>
>
> I painted the IC pipe that goes from the rear turbo to the left IC with a 300°F
> paint. I've never had any problem with this and that's where the heat is :)

If this works, that is the 300 F tape Errin is giving a try (muffler tape ?) please post
back  and advise as I want to solve my look inside the hood as well. How does it look
BTW?

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Thanks Jack, Barry, Eric and Jeff for your responses.  It looks like a
bit of crawling around under there to see if I can determine the
problem. I thought I'd let my fingers do some in group walking first.
I'm nearly positive it is not wheel/tire related and seems to be low end
(2000 rmp) acceleration in third that produces it. It may be bucking
that will smooth out and disappear  when I get the BC fine tuned. If
not, I'm into getting greasy..gotta love it!1

Darc

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Roger,

I think the cause of his orginal engine failure was a blown oil pump, not a
fuel pump.  That probably doesn't have any bearing on the problems he's
experiencing today.

He has the bigger fuel pump but is using stock injectors.  With all of the
mods he has done to improve his flow, there's no wonder he is getting fuel
cut and detonation.  The bigger injectors will help.

I ran my car yesterday a little bit.  It was raining out again, so I could
only hit it hard once in 3rd gear.  I had my EVC set to 19 PSI (1.25 bars)
of boost.  At 6000 RPM, I felt a very slight hesitation.  I lifted the
throttle and about one second later glanced over at my EGT.  It was at 1700F
(off the scale) and falling fast.  I estimate that it had probably reached
1800F.  I was running my "street" VPC EPROM and had the fuel pressure turned
down to stock values.   I also haven't hooked up the switch to activate the
"race" parameters, so fortunately for me, there's plenty of room for
expansion, but it goes to show that we are all playing right on the edge
when it comes to these cars.

-Bob

>
> Since I'm no specialist on fuel-system I ask for your help here.
> Also I need
> some support to open the eyes of George as he still thinks he can cure the
> problem by adding a VPC, G-Force ECU, bigger injectors and more
> as well as just
> set the params of the Blitz manually on the fly to get the
> desired boost. I
> maybe wrong but I doubt that this is a good way and I see another
> rebuild coming
> if he doesn't find the cause of the problem soon.
>
> I also think his car needs a good look under a lot parts as he doesn't
> understand the stuff till today (we all had to learn). The
> exhaust (no pre-cats
> but maybe a main cat), fuel system and vacuum system needs a good
> inspection as
> I think the dog lies somewhere in there.

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Thnks for the input Bob.

> I think the cause of his orginal engine failure was a blown oil pump, not a
> fuel pump.  That probably doesn't have any bearing on the problems he's
> experiencing today.

Hmm, he didn't mentioned a blown oil pump as his words were "blown a fuel filter
(how can this be done ??) ... drove a couples of yards without oil". Since then
he always had low fuel pressure until the rebuild due to the broken crankshaft.

> He has the bigger fuel pump but is using stock injectors.  With all of the
> mods he has done to improve his flow, there's no wonder he is getting fuel
> cut and detonation.  The bigger injectors will help.

I agree that bigger injectors would help in delivering more fuel, but you felt a
hesitation around 19psi and he's getting fuel cut today at 14.5psi !! For me
this IS an important sign that there's something wrong as even with the stock
setup fuel cut does not occur before 17 psi! With my setup, ATR dp/cat, Borla,
FIPK and Blitz DSBC I runned into hesitation/fuel cut around 18psi. I had "good"
days and overboosted to 1.34bars without any retarded timing (no comment,
please). I therefore think that the detonation he's running in is way too early
than normal ! But what can cause this ? Clogged fuel filter ? Clogged lines ?
Too low fuel pressure ? Any other ideas ?

I also told him to let check the O2 sensors as well as the fuel pressure over a
longer period. Also a good check of the vacuum system is necessary. BTW, also
the cold-start situation (car runs well then) is interesting as the problems are
starting when the engine reaches the normal temperatures.

> I estimate that it had probably reached 1800F.

OUCH ! What octane are you currently running ?

> I was running my "street" VPC EPROM and had the fuel pressure turned
> down to stock values.   I also haven't hooked up the switch to activate the
> "race" parameters, so fortunately for me, there's plenty of room for
> expansion, but it goes to show that we are all playing right on the edge
> when it comes to these cars.

Tell us (VPC now/soon guys) more about the "Switch". I have three different
EPROMs but would like to learn more about the switch, hehe.

Back to George's problem, I think that the bigger injectors will cure the
symptom today but will not remove the cause of the problem. Even more as he had
the same problem before the bigger fuel pump and even with setting the AFC to 0.

Thanks for any input.
Roger

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Hi,

  Thanx Roger for bring my problems on this discussion board.  I would
like to clear something 1st regarding what lead to my engine rebuilt.
  I road race extensively on my '92 RT TT.  About 2 yrs ago at a road
course, I blew of my oil filter and drove it back to the pits area
without any oil.  After that incident, I have low reading on my stock
oil pressure gauge.  Then about a year after while I was crusing 70mph
on the freeway, the car just stalled.  I pulled off to the shoulder
and tried to start to car again. As I started the car, nasty loud
grinding noises appeared. I knew it was something bad!$$  .. I towed
it to the Mitsu dealer and found out my crankshaft broke.
  And my Profec A had problems way before any of these.  It worked
great for the 1st year of use but afterwards it hasn't been working
rite at all.  Major problem with it was it wouldn't hold boost.. drops
to stock boost.

Thanks for the help.

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When the motor is hot, detonation can occur from high cylinder temperatures.
That could be a clue.  But you are right -- 14.5 PSI is too low for those
kinds of things to be happening.  You friend is not "holding boost".  Has he
checked all of his I/C hoses, especially on the inside of the hoses under
the clamps?  I ended up with lots of cracks that leaked boost.

> > I estimate that it had probably reached 1800F.
>
> OUCH ! What octane are you currently running ?

It was 93 octane (r + m) / 2.

> Tell us (VPC now/soon guys) more about the "Switch". I have three
> different
> EPROMs but would like to learn more about the switch, hehe.

Take an EPROM burner and load one program in at address 0x0000 and the other
at 0x8000.  Then solder a 10Kohm resistor between A15 to VSS and another
from GND to a toggle switch.  Cut off the A15 leg before you plug it into
the VPC socket.
When the switch is ON, the program a 0x8000 will be selected.  When it is
off, the program at 0x0000 is selected.

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Welcome aboard George :)

>   And my Profec A had problems way before any of these.  It worked
> great for the 1st year of use but afterwards it hasn't been working
> rite at all.  Major problem with it was it wouldn't hold boost.. drops
> to stock boost.

Unfortunately, this is the same situation again with the Blitz DSBC. The good
thing is that the Blitz is more manually and therefore you can set the Ratio at
different level depending if your car is overboosting or not. This is a sign
that there's something wrong in your system.

Just to make sure, when everything seems allright, your settigns of the Blitz
are Gain 20 / Ratio 45 and this boosted up to about 1 bar. This are about the
same results as I'm getting with the 13G setup and is very comparable. After 2
or 3 miles then your boost runned up very high that you had to set the Ratio
back to 13 to prevent the overboost over 1.0bars. This is very, very strange and
definitely not normal. Also I doubt that this is controller related as it would
work or not in the Blitz case. Mikael from Sweden has also somewhat low Blitz
settings to get the same boost but they are still on a higher level than yours.

One of my ideas is to install a bleeder valve and switching the controller off.
Then set the boost to about 1 bars and see how the system acts when cold and
after 3 or 4 miles. I feel that there will be the same bad behaviour, at the
beginning boost and then back to somewhat stock level. If this is not the case,
then there's really something wrong with the controller. Any opinions ?

I'm sure we'll find the problem on Geoge's car :)

//Roger

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> Take an EPROM burner and load one program in at address 0x0000 and the other
> at 0x8000.  Then solder a 10Kohm resistor between A15 to VSS and another
> from GND to a toggle switch.  Cut off the A15 leg before you plug it into
> the VPC socket.
> When the switch is ON, the program a 0x8000 will be selected.  When it is
> off, the program at 0x0000 is selected.

Absolutely great. A MUST for any VPC users !! I didn't knew that the program is
so small. How big is the program anyway ? Maybe it also fits in other addresses
:) I'll search my good ol burner out of my storage and will do it before the
installation. Have you ever switched from "Street" to "Grrrrr" while running the
car ?

Thanks Bob !
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All,


     We'll I had a bad and good day at the track today..   The weather was
awesome, maybe a little on the hot side just over 80degrees.  With 3/4 tank
full of half 93 and half Sunocco 98 pump octane gas and full interior (only
the spare removed, which hasn't been in the car for well over a year now:) I
pulled into Capitol raceway hoping to finally see the low 11's, but I guess
that will have to wait until another week.

However, I did best my previous best et and mph.  First run, I had the boost
set at 1.3bar (I always run a pound or two less boost the first run to make
sure everything is okay).  I launched using my new VERY quick slip technique
but bogged a little off the line, which resulted in a 1.817 60-foot.  The car
ran great and I ended up running a 11.63 at 121.58mph!  Not what I was hoping
for, but then again not bad for the first run of the day!

During the first run I noticed the car was running unusually rich so I leaned
the fuel a hair and turned the boost to 1.4bar for my second pass.  When I was
in the staging lanes I noticed the gear shifter wasn't shifting properly, when
I went to shift to 5th or 6th the shifter didn't spring back like it normally
did.  I picked up the shifter boot and everything was attached, and sence 1st,
2nd, 3rd, and 4th gear felt 100% normal, I didn't think much of it.  After the
car cooled for 45min or so I ran it again.  Launched a little more
aggressively and the car hooked good, but then spun.  Got a 1.78 60-foot.  Hit
2nd gear and the car HAULED ASS compared to my first run..  Then I hit
5th...lol.  The darn shifter was way out of wack... O well :).  Ended up with
a 12.55 at 115.56mph.

I couldn't get the car to go in 1st or 2nd gears.  So I brought her back to
the parking area as best I could in 3rd.  Took off the mass-air sensor and
noticed the shifter lever at the end of the linkage was bent.  Took it off and
borrowed a hammer to smack it straight.  It seemed okay so I put everything
back together, and drove around the parking lot.  Shifted through all gears
100% perfect.

Everything seemed fine so I drove the car back around to the staging lanes.
After 30min. or so it was time to run so I staged.  Launched a little harder
(but still a little soft compared to how I usually launch) and got a 1.76
60-foot.  Hit second gear and everything was going perfect, shifted to 3rd and
it was a success!  The car was pulling like crazy so I figured I was well on
my way to the low 11's.. NOPE!   As soon as I went to shit to 4th the shifter
bracket bent again, and I hit 6th..  Ended up with a
11.90 at 104.01mph.  Damn...lol. 

The car wouldn't go into 1st and 2nd again, but I was afraid if I tried
bending the shifter lever again it might break.. so I limped home best I
could.

All in all, I'm happy I have a new best of 11.63 at 121.58mph.  With a better
60-foot and 1.5bar or so, I know low 11's are just around the corner!
Hopefully Mitsu. will have the shifter bracket/lever I need in stock, and I'll
give it another try next weekend :).


Also at the track, my friend Jason in his '94 3000GT VR4 did pretty well.  His
first time out, with a clutch that wasn't 100% compliant, he ran a best of
13.6 and 102.5mph with only a filter.  With a decent clutch, and a good
60-foot it looks like his car will have no problem clicking off a few low
13's!

Before I end the mail, just would like to say OUR CARS (3000GT VR4 and Dodge
Stealth) KICK ASS!  If I had the option to trade my car in for ANY car I
wanted, I cannot think of one car I'd want more - period!

Thanks for reading,
TTYLater,
Mike Mahaffey
'94 Stealth tt
Best et: 11.6 Best mph: 121.58

For info.. this is how the car was run when I ran the 11.63@121.58mph..

1.3bar
3/4 tank of gas, half 93-Exxon and half 98-Sunocco
Full interior with spare removed
Stock Goodyear GS-C's
NO NOS, 100% Mitsu. 3.0L and twin 15G's providing the fun! (I don't need to
lie like some, I earned these times!)
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Subject: RE: Team3S: VPC Program trick :)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 20:47:15 -0500
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The code is about 4K, if my memory serves correctly.  It is a combination of
a small amount of code and the remainder is static data.  The Intel 27xxx
EPROM has built in selector logic.

Switching while the car is running has "unpredictable" results.

In my case, I have the 360CC injector program loaded in the lower half and
the 550CC program in the upper half.  I found that the 360CC injector
program combined with turning the gain all the way back to the 1st click
allows me to clean up the injectors and provides great streetability.  The
550CC injector program (which I haven't tried since the rebuild) is far more
tuneable but is a "gas hog".  It is the chip I'm using at the track.

My new motor now has 2 hours on it.  There is a bad problem with my 1->2
synchro.  It grinds going from 1->2 and 3->2. Wierd.  They are brand new
synchros.  So that prevents me from doing any serious time trials but I will
be able to do some tuning in 3rd gear, playing with VPC settings, EPROM
selection and fuel pressure.

> Absolutely great. A MUST for any VPC users !! I didn't knew that
> the program is so small. How big is the program anyway ? Maybe it also
fits in
> other addresses I'll search my good ol burner out of my storage and will
do it
> before the installation. Have you ever switched from "Street" to "Grrrrr"
> while running the
> car ?

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Way to go Mike!

What do you think the cause of bent lingage is.
You must have one thick forearm :)
-----Original Message-----
From: LotoBoost@aol.com <LotoBoost@aol.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>;
Stealth@starnet.net <Stealth@starnet.net>
Date: Sunday, December 06, 1998 8:05 PM
Subject: Team3S: Bad yet Good day at the track!


>All,
>
>
>     We'll I had a bad and good day at the track today..   The weather was
>awesome, maybe a little on the hot side just over 80degrees.  With 3/4 tank
>full of half 93 and half Sunocco 98 pump octane gas and full interior (only
>the spare removed, which hasn't been in the car for well over a year now:)
I
>pulled into Capitol raceway hoping to finally see the low 11's, but I guess
>that will have to wait until another week.
>
>However, I did best my previous best et and mph.  First run, I had the
boost
>set at 1.3bar (I always run a pound or two less boost the first run to make
>sure everything is okay).  I launched using my new VERY quick slip
technique
>but bogged a little off the line, which resulted in a 1.817 60-foot.  The
car
>ran great and I ended up running a 11.63 at 121.58mph!  Not what I was
hoping
>for, but then again not bad for the first run of the day!
>
>During the first run I noticed the car was running unusually rich so I
leaned
>the fuel a hair and turned the boost to 1.4bar for my second pass.  When I
was
>in the staging lanes I noticed the gear shifter wasn't shifting properly,
when
>I went to shift to 5th or 6th the shifter didn't spring back like it
normally
>did.  I picked up the shifter boot and everything was attached, and sence
1st,
>2nd, 3rd, and 4th gear felt 100% normal, I didn't think much of it.  After
the
>car cooled for 45min or so I ran it again.  Launched a little more
>aggressively and the car hooked good, but then spun.  Got a 1.78 60-foot.
Hit
>2nd gear and the car HAULED ASS compared to my first run..  Then I hit
>5th...lol.  The darn shifter was way out of wack... O well :).  Ended up
with
>a 12.55 at 115.56mph.
>
>I couldn't get the car to go in 1st or 2nd gears.  So I brought her back to
>the parking area as best I could in 3rd.  Took off the mass-air sensor and
>noticed the shifter lever at the end of the linkage was bent.  Took it off
and
>borrowed a hammer to smack it straight.  It seemed okay so I put everything
>back together, and drove around the parking lot.  Shifted through all gears
>100% perfect.
>
>Everything seemed fine so I drove the car back around to the staging lanes.
>After 30min. or so it was time to run so I staged.  Launched a little
harder
>(but still a little soft compared to how I usually launch) and got a 1.76
>60-foot.  Hit second gear and everything was going perfect, shifted to 3rd
and
>it was a success!  The car was pulling like crazy so I figured I was well
on
>my way to the low 11's.. NOPE!   As soon as I went to shit to 4th the
shifter
>bracket bent again, and I hit 6th..  Ended up with a
>11.90 at 104.01mph.  Damn...lol.
>
>The car wouldn't go into 1st and 2nd again, but I was afraid if I tried
>bending the shifter lever again it might break.. so I limped home best I
>could.
>
>All in all, I'm happy I have a new best of 11.63 at 121.58mph.  With a
better
>60-foot and 1.5bar or so, I know low 11's are just around the corner!
>Hopefully Mitsu. will have the shifter bracket/lever I need in stock, and
I'll
>give it another try next weekend :).
>
>
>Also at the track, my friend Jason in his '94 3000GT VR4 did pretty well.
His
>first time out, with a clutch that wasn't 100% compliant, he ran a best of
>13.6 and 102.5mph with only a filter.  With a decent clutch, and a good
>60-foot it looks like his car will have no problem clicking off a few low
>13's!
>
>Before I end the mail, just would like to say OUR CARS (3000GT VR4 and
Dodge
>Stealth) KICK ASS!  If I had the option to trade my car in for ANY car I
>wanted, I cannot think of one car I'd want more - period!
>
>Thanks for reading,
>TTYLater,
>Mike Mahaffey
>'94 Stealth tt
>Best et: 11.6 Best mph: 121.58
>
>For info.. this is how the car was run when I ran the 11.63@121.58mph..
>
>1.3bar
>3/4 tank of gas, half 93-Exxon and half 98-Sunocco
>Full interior with spare removed
>Stock Goodyear GS-C's
>NO NOS, 100% Mitsu. 3.0L and twin 15G's providing the fun! (I don't need to
>lie like some, I earned these times!)
>For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>

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LotoBoost@aol.com wrote:

> All,
>
>      We'll I had a bad and good day at the track today..   <<BIG SNIP>>

Damn Mike.....impressive.  You bent the linkage and didn't blow out a syncro?!?!  Don't
let Mitsu or Getrag get ahold of this information.  It'll just be another bullet for
their "There's nothing wrong with your transmissions" gun.

--
-Jeff Crabtree
    '91 Stealth R/T Turbo(#499)
          '93 Wrangler 4.0L Sport
               St. Louis, MO


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In a message dated 12/6/98 8:06:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, LotoBoost@aol.com
writes:

<<
All,


      We'll I had a bad and good day at the track today..   The weather was
awesome, maybe a little on the hot side just over 80degrees.  With 3/4 tank
full of half 93 and half Sunocco 98 pump octane gas and full interior (only
the spare removed, which hasn't been in the car for well over a year now:) I
pulled into Capitol raceway hoping to finally see the low 11's, but I guess
that will have to wait until another week.

However, I did best my previous best et and mph.  First run, I had the boost
set at 1.3bar (I always run a pound or two less boost the first run to make
sure everything is okay).  I launched using my new VERY quick slip technique
but bogged a little off the line, which resulted in a 1.817 60-foot.  The car
ran great and I ended up running a 11.63 at 121.58mph >>

       Mike,
       Congrats on the new personal best. Looks like our cars are in the
middle of a
        performance revolution. Remember not that             
       many years ago when Turbo mag ran the  article on the 1991
       VR-4 that ran a 12.80 @ 108?(Endless Performance). Everyone seemed
        to think that was amazing "for such a heavy car." Look at us now!
       Looking forward to seeing what you run with more seasonable
        weather and full boost.
                                      Congrats again,
                                       Wayne 3SI #87
                                        '91 Stealth TT
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Mike,

Despite all of the problems, they're still good runs - you're bound to go a
lot faster soon.  Question: Are these runs with 720 injectors?  What else
did you change?

-Bob

>       We'll I had a bad and good day at the track today..   The
> weather was
>  awesome, maybe a little on the hot side just over 80degrees.
> With 3/4 tank
>  full of half 93 and half Sunocco 98 pump octane gas and full
> interior (only
>  the spare removed, which hasn't been in the car for well over a
> year now:) I
>  pulled into Capitol raceway hoping to finally see the low 11's,
> but I guess
>  that will have to wait until another week.
>
>  However, I did best my previous best et and mph.  First run, I
> had the boost
>  set at 1.3bar (I always run a pound or two less boost the first
> run to make
>  sure everything is okay).  I launched using my new VERY quick
> slip technique
>  but bogged a little off the line, which resulted in a 1.817
> 60-foot.  The car
>  ran great and I ended up running a 11.63 at 121.58mph >>

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Mike , you sure did earn these times. Congrats & good running.
Arty 91 VR-4

In a message dated 12/6/98 5:06:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, LotoBoost@aol.com
writes:

<<
Thanks for reading,
TTYLater,
Mike Mahaffey
'94 Stealth tt
Best et: 11.6 Best mph: 121.58

For info.. this is how the car was run when I ran the 11.63@121.58mph..

1.3bar
3/4 tank of gas, half 93-Exxon and half 98-Sunocco
Full interior with spare removed
Stock Goodyear GS-C's
NO NOS, 100% Mitsu. 3.0L and twin 15G's providing the fun! (I don't need to
lie like some, I earned these times!)
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http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
  >>
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The '94+ models detect the disabling of said pollution control device and
activate your "Check Engine" light.

Which is an annoying enough downside that I unblocked my EGR line...

   -Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Fontana


The ECU closes the valve under boost, so we know there's no detriment to
performance by running without it while in boosted state.  When cruising,
the ECU will open the valve up even when the motor is warm.  But after two
years of stick time with the block plate installed, I was still getting 24
MPG @ 80 MPH.  It's hard to tell just what the down side of this
modification is other than "removing or modifying a pollution control
device". :-)

-Bob
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-----Original Message-----
From: George Kuo [mailto:amkreadgto@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 1998 2:49 PM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Boost / fuel cut problem

<snip>
  And my Profec A had problems way before any of these.  It worked
great for the 1st year of use but afterwards it hasn't been working
rite at all.  Major problem with it was it wouldn't hold boost.. drops
to stock boost.
<end of snip>

George...

I have a GReddy PRofec also. I had a problem getting it to "learn", in fact
I never have been able to get it to run "program A". However, there is a
"program B" process in the setup manual that has worked for me. You might
try that. In my case, I now have true boost control and can hold .9bar up to
redline (when it's set on 1.0bar). I'm holding off on running >1.0bar until
I have installed an upgraded fuel delivery system and my 15G turbos.

I have the manual if you don't, or you can find it on GReddy's web site.

Looking forward...Chris

"Friends don't let friends ride with me"

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<snip>

Before I end the mail, just would like to say OUR CARS (3000GT VR4 and Dodge
Stealth) KICK ASS!  If I had the option to trade my car in for ANY car I
wanted, I cannot think of one car I'd want more - period!

Thanks for reading,
TTYLater,
Mike Mahaffey
'94 Stealth tt
Best et: 11.6 Best mph: 121.58

<end of snip>

Mike...

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

I'm planning on getting to the same point by the summer of 1999, hopefully
without a bent shifter bracket.  :-)

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In a message dated 12/7/98 10:00:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,
fein@strategy.com writes:

<< The '94+ models detect the disabling of said pollution control device and
activate your "Check Engine" light.

Which is an annoying enough downside that I unblocked my EGR line...
  >>

Yeah the '94 and newer Stealth turbos and VR4s through a code when you block
the EGR.  Any performance gains (I haven't noticed any on my car) probably
aren't worth not knowing when something else goes wrong -- with the "check
engine" warning light lighted from the EGR all the time, you wouldn't know if
something else went bad..

TTYLater,
Mike Mahaffey
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Hi Chris,

  Thanx for the information.  My Profec had no problem learning in
both P1 and P2.  I got rid of it already, now I have a DSBC. =)

George




---Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com> wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: George Kuo [mailto:amkreadgto@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Sunday, December 06, 1998 2:49 PM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Boost / fuel cut problem
>
> <snip>
>   And my Profec A had problems way before any of these.  It worked
> great for the 1st year of use but afterwards it hasn't been working
> rite at all.  Major problem with it was it wouldn't hold boost.. drops
> to stock boost.
> <end of snip>
>
> George...
>
> I have a GReddy PRofec also. I had a problem getting it to "learn",
in fact
> I never have been able to get it to run "program A". However, there
is a
> "program B" process in the setup manual that has worked for me. You
might
> try that. In my case, I now have true boost control and can hold
.9bar up to
> redline (when it's set on 1.0bar). I'm holding off on running
>1.0bar until
> I have installed an upgraded fuel delivery system and my 15G turbos.
>
> I have the manual if you don't, or you can find it on GReddy's web
site.
>
> Looking forward...Chris
>
> "Friends don't let friends ride with me"
>
> 1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4
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Ever since I changed my ECU, my engine light has always been on. It was a
worthwhile trade off considering the much better performance.
Arty 91 VR-4

In a message dated 12/7/98 9:09:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, LotoBoost@aol.com
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In a message dated 12/7/98 10:00:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,
fein@strategy.com writes:

<< The '94+ models detect the disabling of said pollution control device and
  activate your "Check Engine" light.
 
  Which is an annoying enough downside that I unblocked my EGR line...
   >>

Yeah the '94 and newer Stealth turbos and VR4s through a code when you block
the EGR.  Any performance gains (I haven't noticed any on my car) probably
aren't worth not knowing when something else goes wrong -- with the "check
engine" warning light lighted from the EGR all the time, you wouldn't know if
something else went bad..

TTYLater,
Mike Mahaffey
' >>
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Hi all,

I've been looking off-an-on for a year or so, trying to see if anyone has
developed a replacement set of headlights for the pre-94 vehicles.  I saw
a pic of some cool low-profile pop-ups on a demo car at the Japanese Auto
Salon last year, but have no idea whose site was hosting the picture or
who prepared that car.  It was a wicked purple and black color scheme, as
I recall.

I did some digging around, but couldn't find any vendors, and even toyed
with designing my own version.  (I decided I didn't have the time or money
to go back to school for a degree in Applied Optics...)  But I've drawn
blanks across the board.

So my question is three-fold, I guess:

Anyone have any recollection of the car I mention above? 

If so, do you have any ideas how I can get more info on the headlights
they used?

Anyone have any other ideas or suggestions on low-profile replacements for
the pop-ups?  I'm not interested in fixed lights, like the 94+, but I
would like something different from stock.

Thanks.

Dennis Moore
stealth@kiva.net

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Dennis,

Many drivers of the GTO equivilants have done a simple modification that
rasise the stock light to half it's height, giving it a low profile
look.

throught http://www.3si.org/members/mem_links.html one or more of the
links will take you to a .jp site where you can see it.

Now I'm not proposing that it would work, but modifying the lights to be
on, then cranking the hand adjustment to where you want it may be very
in-expensive.

I've been waiting for someone to post the real instructions on the mod
to me to post on 3si.

EricL
3siD#0500

>Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:17:42 -0500 (EST)
>From: Dennis Moore <stealth@kiva.net>
>To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>Subject: Team3S: Low-Profile Pop-Up Headlights
>Reply-To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
>Hi all,
>
>I've been looking off-an-on for a year or so, trying to see if anyone
has
>developed a replacement set of headlights for the pre-94 vehicles.  I
saw
>a pic of some cool low-profile pop-ups on a demo car at the Japanese
Auto
>Salon last year, but have no idea whose site was hosting the picture or
>who prepared that car.  It was a wicked purple and black color scheme,
as
>I recall.
>
>I did some digging around, but couldn't find any vendors, and even
toyed
>with designing my own version.  (I decided I didn't have the time or
money
>to go back to school for a degree in Applied Optics...)  But I've drawn
>blanks across the board.
>
>So my question is three-fold, I guess:
>
>Anyone have any recollection of the car I mention above? 
>
>If so, do you have any ideas how I can get more info on the headlights
>they used?
>
>Anyone have any other ideas or suggestions on low-profile replacements
for
>the pop-ups?  I'm not interested in fixed lights, like the 94+, but I
>would like something different from stock.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Dennis Moore
>stealth@kiva.net
>
>There are no *stupid* people in this world, only *ignorant* ones.
>
>Ignorance is a good problem, because the application of accurate
>information can help people get over it.
>
>However, ignorance combined with arrogance closely resembles stupidity.
>
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Hmm, wouldn't that radically diminish the effectiveness of the lights?  I
mean, they'd be point significantly downward, instead of nearly
horizontally.

Guess I need to add a new specification to my wish list: street-legal and
without adverse impact to night drivability.

Thanks for the link, though.  I'll check it out.

Dennis Moore
stealth@kiva.net

On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Eric Lotter wrote:

> Dennis,
>
> Many drivers of the GTO equivilants have done a simple modification that
> rasise the stock light to half it's height, giving it a low profile
> look.
>
> throught http://www.3si.org/members/mem_links.html one or more of the
> links will take you to a .jp site where you can see it.
>

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The Lights never "tip" toward the street or at any angle, in a sense,
they never "flip" up they more like rise from the resting position, this
is how the"flash to pass" mechanism works. (Read as they are always
horizontal)

If you were to remove the dispersion plastic just infront of the
headlight, and replace it with a clear plastic, or nothing at all, you
could use the light at full strength as it sits.

EricL
3siD#0500

>Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:18:10 -0500 (EST)
>From: Dennis Moore <stealth@kiva.net>
>To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>Subject: Re: Team3S: Low-Profile Pop-Up Headlights
>Reply-To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
>
>Hmm, wouldn't that radically diminish the effectiveness of the lights? 
I
>mean, they'd be point significantly downward, instead of nearly
>horizontally.
>
>Guess I need to add a new specification to my wish list: street-legal
and
>without adverse impact to night drivability.
>
>Thanks for the link, though.  I'll check it out.
>
>Dennis Moore
>stealth@kiva.net
>
>On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Eric Lotter wrote:
>
>> Dennis,
>>
>> Many drivers of the GTO equivilants have done a simple modification
that
>> rasise the stock light to half it's height, giving it a low profile
>> look.
>>
>> throught http://www.3si.org/members/mem_links.html one or more of the
>> links will take you to a .jp site where you can see it.
>>
>
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Mike...it seems like you had much more of a good day recently, than a
bad one...would that we all could turn those times with a  buggered
linkage/shift arm. Gud on ya mate, to paraphrase Andrew's countrymen!
Now, you just have to differentiate between arm quickness, and arm
strength! We're talking a strong arm here to do the bend job you
described.

And,  with Chris now moving into the fast lane with his new
acquisitions, I expect we'll be hearing of another 3S eating up the hot
shots! It's nice to see that Hau's stuff remained in the family and that
a deserving guy is going to use it. I know Errin will be putting the
remainder to good use, and smoking the competition in the Seattle area.
Now, if I can just get off this rain swept Isle and find some open dry
road to fine tune my own modest mods on....and maybe meet up with some
of you west coasters.

Darc

Victoria

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wce@bc.sympatico.ca wrote:
Gud on ya mate, to paraphrase Andrew's countrymen!

Fair dinkum Darc mate I dead set swear I haven't got the foggiest what
ya takin about cobber.

Andrew
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I was ordering some stuff yesterday from Jeremy at Tallahassee
Mitsubishi.  He mentioned that he was recently flipping through a
performance magazine, and he saw a picture of a black 3000GT
VR4 with a sticker saying "Defying Its Weight."  He said that the
article mentioned that the car runs "10's at 100-something."  I
was, of course, very skeptical of those times, but I decided not
to argue with him (I already had a big argument with him since he
thought that active exhaust works like a straight pipe dump-tube
and a car won't pass emissions when it is turned on.)  Does anyone
know what car this was?  The picture was from a big track event.

BTW, good job at the track Mike!

And Bob, I'm very glad to hear that you didn't burn your
house/car down, and that your car is up and running again!

--Errin Humphrey

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I just bought a Ford Explorer at the tissue price (dealers cost) no hidden
crap.
I expected a lot of dealer prep or mysterious add ons. To the contrary, a
clean straight foward deal. I got the prices off the Carprices.com and then
asked for a quote from AutoVantage.com. I could not match the AutoVantage's
price of Zero over invoice anywhere and I'm good at it. If your considering a
new purchase, check it out.
I'll be using the new explorer to tow my 91 VR-4 and taking it to another
level.
Can I consider the explorer a modification for my VR-4? (grin)
Arty 91 VR-4
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Be ready to total your Exploer soon b/c it lacks in the muscle to tow a
VR-4. Either go to a full-size truck or use a Grand Cherokee like Chris
Dotur.   I know of overheating probs w/ Explorers and hopefully your
money doesn't go down the drain on the purchase.

On Tue, 8 Dec 1998
Aso8@aol.com wrote:

>>I just bought a Ford Explorer at the tissue price (dealers cost) no hidden
>>crap.
>>I expected a lot of dealer prep or mysterious add ons. To the contrary, a
>>clean straight foward deal. I got the prices off the Carprices.com and then
>>asked for a quote from AutoVantage.com. I could not match the AutoVantage's
>>price of Zero over invoice anywhere and I'm good at it. If your considering a
>>new purchase, check it out.
>>I'll be using the new explorer to tow my 91 VR-4 and taking it to another
>>level.
>>Can I consider the explorer a modification for my VR-4? (grin)
>>Arty 91 VR-4
>>


      Frank
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Hi Frank, on the Jeep...They look good but the Doctor next door has nothing
but problems with it. The dash electronics keep going on the blink. His
Limited is on a tow hook more then he can tow. What would you consider a full
size truck? I did not want anything big.
I guess a bit late but I'd still like to know.
Arty 91 VR-4



In a message dated 12/8/98 7:26:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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Be ready to total your Exploer soon b/c it lacks in the muscle to tow a
VR-4. Either go to a full-size truck or use a Grand Cherokee like Chris
Dotur.   I know of overheating probs w/ Explorers and hopefully your
money doesn't go down the drain on the purchase.

On Tue, 8 Dec 1998
Aso8@aol.com wrote:

>>I just bought a Ford Explorer at the tissue price (dealers cost) no hidden
>>crap.
>>I expected a lot of dealer prep or mysterious add ons. To the contrary, a
>>clean straight foward deal. I got the prices off the Carprices.com and then
>>asked for a quote from AutoVantage.com. I could not match the AutoVantage's
>>price of Zero over invoice anywhere and I'm good at it. If your considering
a
>>new purchase, check it out.
>>I'll be using the new explorer to tow my 91 VR-4 and taking it to another
>>level.
>>Can I consider the explorer a modification for my VR-4? (grin)
>>Arty 91 VR-4
  >>
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Hi,

I was just wondering what do you think of a Jeep Cherokee (4.0L I-6) for
towing a VR-4.  My friend just bought a new ('99) cherokee to tow his 26
ft sail boat that weights about 5500lbs including the trailer.

Thanks,

Jose

JEEPers wrote:
>
> Be ready to total your Exploer soon b/c it lacks in the muscle to tow a
> VR-4. Either go to a full-size truck or use a Grand Cherokee like Chris
> Dotur.   I know of overheating probs w/ Explorers and hopefully your
> money doesn't go down the drain on the purchase.
>
> On Tue, 8 Dec 1998
> Aso8@aol.com wrote:
>
> >>I just bought a Ford Explorer at the tissue price (dealers cost) no hidden
> >>crap.
> >>I expected a lot of dealer prep or mysterious add ons. To the contrary, a
> >>clean straight foward deal. I got the prices off the Carprices.com and then
> >>asked for a quote from AutoVantage.com. I could not match the AutoVantage's
> >>price of Zero over invoice anywhere and I'm good at it. If your considering a
> >>new purchase, check it out.
> >>I'll be using the new explorer to tow my 91 VR-4 and taking it to another
> >>level.
> >>Can I consider the explorer a modification for my VR-4? (grin)
> >>Arty 91 VR-4
> >>
>
>                                                       Frank
>                                                     -JEEPers-
>                                                  "Kung-Fu Forrest"
>
>         MY WEB PAGE IS UP AT http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Canyon/6045/
>
>         "Jeep is America's only real sports car"     Mr. Enzo Ferrari
>
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josesini wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I was just wondering what do you think of a Jeep Cherokee (4.0L I-6) for
> towing a VR-4.  My friend just bought a new ('99) cherokee to tow his 26
> ft sail boat that weights about 5500lbs including the trailer.

This is a good additional 3S point of interest Jose...what is the total towing weight of a
Stealth TT or a VR4 TT once it is trailered?? AWD's do not take to 2 or 4 wheel towing, so
a trailer is a prerequisite...and that bumps up the towing weight a bit more than most
suburban assault vehicles can handle. My Brother in law says his Jeep Grande really isn't
equipped to handle his 5th wheel regardless of his add ons to assist in the towing, and is
trading it in on truck after 6 months of owning it.

Darc

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Hi Group;

I caught the end of Hot Rod (the TV version sponsored by the magazine)
two days back. They were closing the programe as usual with a few items
one can puchase to upgrade any number of vehicles. The last item they
showcased (for 20 seconds maybe) was a hand held computer that they said
would do diagnositics on the new "modern computer operated cars". They
said a number of harnesses were available to plug into virtually any new
car modle out there. Because the piece  was so short I did not get a
name, and unlike all other merchandise showcased, they did not quote a
price...I suspect because if one has to ask, one cann't afford it.
Anyway, has anyone seen this same clip, or the product, heard of it,
etc...and will it work on our cars??

Darc

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Correction....That is not a 5th wheel my Brother i n Law
owns...sorry...but about the same size (30-35 feet or thereabouts). If I
don't start of the day with a mistake or two, I don't feel normal. ; )

Darc

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At the risk of perpetuating a somewhat 3Si-ish thread on this tech
group,  I'll add my $.02.  A four-door Explorer with the 5.0 V8 will do
okay towing a 3S/trailer combo, though you may have transmission
problems if you tow it extensively and handling could get a bit dicey.
If you bought an Explorer with the 3.0 or 4.0 V6 then it's going to be
that much harder on the engine and transmission.  A 5.2 or 5.9 V8
equipped Cherokee/Durango is only slightly better off than the 5.0 V8
Explorer, and I share Arty's fear of reliability considering the track
record of those vehicles.  Extreme Motorsports uses a 5.2 V8 Grand
Cherokee to tow Sean's Talon.  They apparently hate it and want to
replace it with something more appropriate/reliable, but it's gotten
them where they needed to go for quite some time.

Now, if you're planning to tow more frequently, say a few times a month,
then JEEPers is correct and a full-size truck is much more appropriate.
Before I left Maryland to come here to Germany earlier this year, I had
a '96 F-250 with the 7.3 PowerStroke turbo diesel V8 (I sure hated to
sell that truck but it would have been a nightmare over here on these
narrow European streets!).  I towed my Stealth (among other cars, once
two at a time) on a HUGE flatbed trailor and it was obvious that I had
the right vehicle for the job.  Probably overkill in your case, but
overkill is good when towing.  Any of the diesel pickups offered by the
big three are excellent for towing and, if properly maintained, will be
much more reliable and fuel efficient than gas engines with similar
capabilities.  I understand that the latest PowerStroke-equipped F250 is
now making 235 HP and 500 LB-FT of torque!  (Mine had 215/420.)

But that's not what you want to hear when you have a new Explorer
sitting in the driveway.  As I said, any of the long wheelbase V8
equipped sport-utes should be okay for occasional towing.  Just remember
that they have a high center of gravity and a relatively short
wheelbase, both characteristics undesireable for any tow vehicle.  Keep
the speed down and remember to let the vehicle idle for a few minutes
after towing so that the ATF doesn't cook.  Good luck!!

-Jim
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There are a variety of 'scan tools' out there, Snap-On, etc...dunno how
well they work on our cars.

wce@bc.sympatico.ca wrote:
> Hot Rod TV showcased hand held computer that
> would do diagnositics on "modern computer operated cars". The
> harnesses were available for virtually any new
> car model.  I did not get name; did not quote
> price.  has anyone seen this and will it work on our cars?
> Darc
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Arty, here's the solution that will make it a breeze to tow your VR-4 with
the Explorer:  Strip the VR-4 of a 1000lbs!
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthews <matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de>
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>At the risk of perpetuating a somewhat 3Si-ish thread on this tech
>group,  I'll add my $.02.  A four-door Explorer with the 5.0 V8 will do
>okay towing a 3S/trailer combo, though you may have transmission
>problems if you tow it extensively and handling could get a bit dicey.
>If you bought an Explorer with the 3.0 or 4.0 V6 then it's going to be
>that much harder on the engine and transmission.  A 5.2 or 5.9 V8
>equipped Cherokee/Durango is only slightly better off than the 5.0 V8
>Explorer, and I share Arty's fear of reliability considering the track
>record of those vehicles.  Extreme Motorsports uses a 5.2 V8 Grand
>Cherokee to tow Sean's Talon.  They apparently hate it and want to
>replace it with something more appropriate/reliable, but it's gotten
>them where they needed to go for quite some time.
>
>Now, if you're planning to tow more frequently, say a few times a month,
>then JEEPers is correct and a full-size truck is much more appropriate.
>Before I left Maryland to come here to Germany earlier this year, I had
>a '96 F-250 with the 7.3 PowerStroke turbo diesel V8 (I sure hated to
>sell that truck but it would have been a nightmare over here on these
>narrow European streets!).  I towed my Stealth (among other cars, once
>two at a time) on a HUGE flatbed trailor and it was obvious that I had
>the right vehicle for the job.  Probably overkill in your case, but
>overkill is good when towing.  Any of the diesel pickups offered by the
>big three are excellent for towing and, if properly maintained, will be
>much more reliable and fuel efficient than gas engines with similar
>capabilities.  I understand that the latest PowerStroke-equipped F250 is
>now making 235 HP and 500 LB-FT of torque!  (Mine had 215/420.)
>
>But that's not what you want to hear when you have a new Explorer
>sitting in the driveway.  As I said, any of the long wheelbase V8
>equipped sport-utes should be okay for occasional towing.  Just remember
>that they have a high center of gravity and a relatively short
>wheelbase, both characteristics undesireable for any tow vehicle.  Keep
>the speed down and remember to let the vehicle idle for a few minutes
>after towing so that the ATF doesn't cook.  Good luck!!
>
> -Jim
>--
>Jim Matthews - Wiesbaden, Germany
>matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (64 Kbps ISDN)
>http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews
>
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>A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Bosch Winged Wipers
>Magnecore spark plug wires, Redline ShockProof fluids
>Metal Matrix brake pads, custom braided brake lines
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>G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
>
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Does anyone know where I can get any of the following Brake Pads for our
cars?
and is there one better than another.  My purpose is street and
occasional track days.

Porterfield R4S,
Performance Friction Z, 
KVR carbon fiber,
Hawk HPS, or
Pagid/Racing

Oh yeah, I forgot, I have a 92 Stealth TT.

Regarding the speedbleeders, I put an order last time I changed my brake
fluid and I got 4 identical speedbleeders.  They only fit in the front
calipers, so the rears still have the original bleeders.

Does anyone know the right size for the rear speedbleeders?  Or if
anyone wants to buy 4 rear bleeders, I will trade him my 2 extra front
bleeders (new never installed) for 2 new rear ones.

Jose

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Porterfield you can get direct from them at 714-548-4470.  The R4 is
made of carbon kevlar, very high heat tolerance, and very streetable,
no need to heat up, and easy on the rotors. R4S is more of a street pad.




---josesini <josesini@engin.umich.edu> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know where I can get any of the following Brake Pads for
our
> cars?
> and is there one better than another.  My purpose is street and
> occasional track days.
>
> Porterfield R4S,
> Performance Friction Z, 
> KVR carbon fiber,
> Hawk HPS, or
> Pagid/Racing
>
> Oh yeah, I forgot, I have a 92 Stealth TT.
>
> Regarding the speedbleeders, I put an order last time I changed my
brake
> fluid and I got 4 identical speedbleeders.  They only fit in the front
> calipers, so the rears still have the original bleeders.
>
> Does anyone know the right size for the rear speedbleeders?  Or if
> anyone wants to buy 4 rear bleeders, I will trade him my 2 extra front
> bleeders (new never installed) for 2 new rear ones.
>
> Jose
>
> Jose
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Jose,

If you are running stock rotors you'll running into danger to warp them due to
the hard pads. The rotors will just getting way too hot !

> Performance Friction Z,

They are good for the stock rotors (Jim has them)

> KVR carbon fiber,

Good for racing but a lot of dust and I don't know how the wear of the rotors
will then be.

> Hawk HPS, or
> Pagid/Racing

Dunno about the Hawks but the Pagids are aggressive ones. Together with the
Bremsa rotors they work good when they have to bite. The stock rotors cannot
withstand them !

I'll test the new japanese Formula 3 pads with the Pagids next year in the hope
that the light warping feeling when braking softly will go away.

-----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)

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Porterfield you can get direct from them at 714-548-4470.  The R4 is
made of carbon kevlar, very high heat tolerance, and very streetable,
no need to heat up, and easy on the rotors. R4S is more of a street pad.




---josesini <josesini@engin.umich.edu> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know where I can get any of the following Brake Pads for
our
> cars?
> and is there one better than another.  My purpose is street and
> occasional track days.
>
> Porterfield R4S,
> Performance Friction Z, 
> KVR carbon fiber,
> Hawk HPS, or
> Pagid/Racing
>
> Oh yeah, I forgot, I have a 92 Stealth TT.
>
> Regarding the speedbleeders, I put an order last time I changed my
brake
> fluid and I got 4 identical speedbleeders.  They only fit in the front
> calipers, so the rears still have the original bleeders.
>
> Does anyone know the right size for the rear speedbleeders?  Or if
> anyone wants to buy 4 rear bleeders, I will trade him my 2 extra front
> bleeders (new never installed) for 2 new rear ones.
>
> Jose
>
> Jose
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Exactly. Now that's a great idea. Btw, I was looking at a trailor and found
out the steel trailors weighs about 1700 lbs. That plus the car is more then I
could tow. I'm told there are "free spinning hubs" that can be used? I don't
know if these are usable but anyone know something about it?
Arty 91 VR-4

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Arty, here's the solution that will make it a breeze to tow your VR-4 with
the Explorer:  Strip the VR-4 of a 1000lbs!
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I'm not sure if this is on topic? I just got a great surprise.
Someone just gave me a video of my track run from 10/17/98, where I ran 11.68.
This was the run just before my 11.41. Can this be posted somehow for viewing?
I thought others may find it interesting too. How could this be done?
Arty 91 VR-4
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From owner-stealth-3000gt  Thu Dec 10 11:03:46 1998
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Roger,

Right now I have the stillen cross-drilled rotors with metal matrix
pads.  I'm happy with their performance over stock but as you can
imagine I'm looking for something better.  As far as reliability, I
think that they are pretty good, no worping nor cracking or anything
else.  After autocrossing for half a season with them I can attest that
I did not have brake fade with it but I think this is because of the
SCCA autocrosses limited speeds.  The only time I felt fade was at the
DSM shootout 98 - autocross.  It was my fourth run and I had to take a
90 degree turn after going 80+ mph. Wow, it caught me by surprise, it
was one of the last turns so I was able to control the car after that.

For this coming season I'm planning on entering some time-trials (as
well as autocrossing) and I know the brakes will fade at high speeds so
I want something better. 

Anyhow, I'm leaning toward the KVR or the Potterfields pads.  How do you
think the stillen crossdrilled rotors will hold up against these pads?

Thanks,

Jose
"R.G." wrote:
>
> Jose,
>
> If you are running stock rotors you'll running into danger to warp them due to
> the hard pads. The rotors will just getting way too hot !
>
> > Performance Friction Z,
>
> They are good for the stock rotors (Jim has them)
>
> > KVR carbon fiber,
>
> Good for racing but a lot of dust and I don't know how the wear of the rotors
> will then be.
>
> > Hawk HPS, or
> > Pagid/Racing
>
> Dunno about the Hawks but the Pagids are aggressive ones. Together with the
> Bremsa rotors they work good when they have to bite. The stock rotors cannot
> withstand them !
>
> I'll test the new japanese Formula 3 pads with the Pagids next year in the hope
> that the light warping feeling when braking softly will go away.
>
> -----------------------
> Roger Gerl, Switzerland
> 93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
>
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Howdy folks...

I've been conversing with a couple of you off-line and I'm somewhat confused
so I've decided to take it public. There seems to be a variety of opinions
about upgrading injectors. I'm going to be installing a set of TEC 15G
turbos and I want to upgrade the fuel delivery system with a set of 550 or
560 injectors (plus pump). I've been hearing about RC, HKS, and Nippon Denso
brands.

A couple questions...

1. Does anyone have comparison data on these brands (and others)?
2. Lacking quantifiable data, what are you using and why?

Looking forward...Chris

"Friends don't let friends ride with me"

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4
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Arty,

I have two suggestions for you.

1. Buy a supercharger.

2. Sell your explore in Colorado, SUV are a high commodity hear, and believe it or not
you might get more money than you paid for it. I have a friend that use to be in the
used car  business and he told me that if you have an SUV it like money in the bank.
(Tell you what if your interested in that suggestion e-mail me privately and ill give
you more detailed info).



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So I took my car into the dealer this morning to have them fix a broken
water pump.  My SRS light has been on for a couple of months now, and I
figured I'd have them reset it while it was there.  When I found out that
the pirates wanted $42(!) to reset it, I told them to forget about it.

I'm wondering: what are my options?  The ignition key trick didn't turn
off the light for me, and I really don't want to take apart my dash to
unplug the bulb...  Will I have to pay the $42 if I want it off at this
point, or is there some other secret trick I can try?

Thanks in advance,
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Howdy folks (again)...

I'm following my own advice (rare but it happens) and separating my
questions by subject matter.  :-)

I'm running a stock engine with a GReddy boost controller, HKS intake, and
ATR/GReddy 3" exhaust. I run the boost at 1.0bar. I have Magnecore wires and
a set of HKS Platinum plugs (which I'm told are made by NGK) which are one
range colder than stock. I've been running them at .034, but based on
someone's post a few months back, have dropped them to .030.

Now, I'm planning on installing 15G turbos and new injectors (previous
post). My questions:

1. Assuming I run up to 1.4 or 1.6bar (20 to 23psi) of boost with adequate
fuel delivery, what should my plug gap be?
2. Other potential problems?

BTW...I have an extra set of Magnecore 8.5mm wires for sale. They're worth
$150 new, make me an offer.

Looking forward...Chris

"Friends don't let friends ride with me"

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4
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On Thu, 10 Dec 1998, Chris Winkley wrote:

> I have Magnecore wires and a set of HKS Platinum plugs (which I'm told
> are made by NGK) which are one range colder than stock. I've been
> running them at .034, but based on someone's post a few months back,
> have dropped them to .030.

On a vaguely related note, is there any value in changing the gap on the
plugs in a non-turbo car?  I've seen a lot of recommendations for gaps on
the turbo models, but nothing on the NTs.  Without serious mods (I only
have an FIPK), I suspect the stock gap should be appropriate, but I'm
asking on the off-chance that it might make a difference...

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> -----Original Message-----

<snip>

> Now, I'm planning on installing 15G turbos and new injectors (previous
> post). My questions:
>
> 1. Assuming I run up to 1.4 or 1.6bar (20 to 23psi) of boost with adequate
> fuel delivery, what should my plug gap be?

I used to run 0.030" and switched to 0.035" with NGK R-type plugs (double
platinum like yours).  No problems at all at 21 psi and stock plug wires.
Running too small of a gap can rob a lot of power.  I now believe 0.030" is
excessively small but it really depends on the overall health of the
ignition.

> 2. Other potential problems?

Octane.  21 psi requires 116 octane fuel.  Using lesser fuel will cause
knock which will cause the ECU to take out timing and therefore reduce
power.  I don't know what the lower limit is for octane assuming the ECU has
removed as much timing as it can.  I would expect that it is still well
above any fuel readily available at the pump.

Fuel control if you don't already have that addressed.  VPC or at a minimum
an AFC.  Neither of these choices would be my first but the MASC is no
longer available.  You could get into the reprogrammed ECU game but you spin
your bottle and take your chances.  Officially the VPC is not available from
HKS for the 2G cars...

<snip>

> Looking forward...Chris
>
> "Friends don't let friends ride with me"
>
> 1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4



Regards,

Barry

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The stock gap should be just right.  The reason for reducing the gap on the
turbo engines is that high cylinder pressures will increase misfires if the
gap is wide.  A smaller gap reduces spark intensity however so it is a
tradeoff.

Some people run as low as 0.028".  If you have to run less than 0.032" in a
turbo car it is time to upgrade the ignition, IMO, since you really are
throwing HP out the window.  I plan to get an amplifier and get the gap back
up to 0.038" or above once the engine is back together.


Regards,

Barry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> [mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of Satya Palani
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 1998 12:57 PM
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> Subject: Re: Team3S: Spark plug gap

<snip>

> On a vaguely related note, is there any value in changing the gap on the
> plugs in a non-turbo car?  I've seen a lot of recommendations for gaps on
> the turbo models, but nothing on the NTs.  Without serious mods (I only
> have an FIPK), I suspect the stock gap should be appropriate, but I'm
> asking on the off-chance that it might make a difference...
>
> --
> Satya Palani
> satya@gho.st
> http://www.longshadows.com

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Chris, .028 gap with 1.4 or 1.6 bar. Other potential problems - Hold on tight
:)
Arty 91 VR-4

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<<
1. Assuming I run up to 1.4 or 1.6bar (20 to 23psi) of boost with adequate
fuel delivery, what should my plug gap be?
2. Other potential problems?
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Satya Palani wrote:

> On a vaguely related note, is there any value in changing the gap on the
> plugs in a non-turbo car?  I've seen a lot of recommendations for gaps on
> the turbo models, but nothing on the NTs.  Without serious mods (I only
> have an FIPK), I suspect the stock gap should be appropriate, but I'm
> asking on the off-chance that it might make a difference...

The mechanic at my local Mitsubishi service shop used to set up
and race Detroit muscle cars back in the 60's.  He told me that
running low spark plug gap (as low as 0.026) has always been
considered one of the "tricks" from a dragracer's "bag."  Of course,
whether or not this will help your mostly-stock N/A 3.0L V6
(versus a fuel-gobbling, overbored big-block V8) is subject to
debate.  I would surmise that the gains for your car would be
negligible.

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> Right now I have the stillen cross-drilled rotors with metal matrix
> pads.  I'm happy with their performance over stock but as you can
> imagine I'm looking for something better.

I can't speak for the Stillens. The first aftermarket rotors I got where the GTR
combos, not crossdrilled but dimpled. The quality, material and pads are
comparable to the Stillens. They worked good and in rain better than the stock
ones... for about three months. Then summer came and I went to speeds over
120mph. I had to brake heavily around 120-150mph and the brakes got then warped
within minutes. No chance to get them turned due to the dimples so I searched
for another solution.

The Bremsas Mikael and I are running are better but we currently have a slight
warped feeling when braking softly. Getting hard onto them and they stop very
good. But I also managed to get them over the edge this year when I had to brake
at 160mph ! I sent them back to Bremsa and they checked them out. They found
that they where 0.1mm thicker on one side and grinded them. Unfortunately still
then the temperatures went down and I never had the chance to heat them up that
much again. They also offered me to test another set of racing pads. We'll see
how they go.

As Stillen now has ap Racing calipers and better rotors than the Brembos I'd
contact them if they are planning to create a new setup for our cars.

BTW, I currently have the Bremsas on the rear and the stock ones on the front. I
noticed that the car now tends to oversteer when braking into the curves, sure
as the rear ones bite harder. As the US versions do have smaller front rotors
this could be the cause of more oversteering when braking into turns as I have.
Opinons ?

// Roger

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At my dyno tests I've gapped the plugs to 0.032 (0.036 stock). The tuning guy as
well as Brian and other told me to decrease the gap to 0.028. I guess I'll leave
them at 0.030 for now as I don't have any trouble nor bad idle :)

> I plan to get an amplifier and get the gap back
> up to 0.038" or above once the engine is back together.

Let us know what brand and type you are considering (Accel, Taylor, MSD, etc.)

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> My SRS light has been on for a couple of months now, and I
> figured I'd have them reset it while it was there.  When I found out that
> the pirates wanted $42(!) to reset it, I told them to forget about it.

They are really pirates ! The dealers here just plug there tool into the
connctor and go into the menu... voilà.. no costs.

But for your SRS light, how do you know that everything is working ? A year ago
I washed my car a little bit too good and sprayed some water under the front
bumper. After this the SRS light stayed on. The Mitsu dealer got an error code
saying one of the front the front crash sensor do not work. After getting them
out we found some water in the connectors causing a short circuit. We cleaned
them and sprayed some silicone spray onto them. No problem so far :) Sorry,
can't remember if they had to reset the code but I'd try to check out first what
error you're getting.

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> On a vaguely related note, is there any value in changing the gap on the
> plugs in a non-turbo car?  I've seen a lot of recommendations for gaps on
> the turbo models, but nothing on the NTs.  Without serious mods (I only
> have an FIPK), I suspect the stock gap should be appropriate, but I'm
> asking on the off-chance that it might make a difference...

Yes, stock gapping is fine for NT cars. You'd not benefit of a lower gap as you
don't supply the chambers with more pressure. Regapping is only neccessary when
increasing boost (e.g. adding a supercharger).

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> > 2. Other potential problems?
>
> Octane.  21 psi requires 116 octane fuel.
<snip>

I agree 150% with Barry !! Just remember what low octane did to my engine,
better said, what detonation did !

> Fuel control if you don't already have that addressed.  VPC or at a minimum
> an AFC.  Neither of these choices would be my first but the MASC is no
> longer available.  You could get into the reprogrammed ECU game but you spin
> your bottle and take your chances.

I'd also add a bigger fuel pump to be sure enough of the drink is provided on
high boosts. Also a boost-dependant fuel-pressure regulator would be probably a
good idea. The AFC is ok for WOT runs.

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Back in the 60s there may not have been the high energy and reliable output
ignitions as are common in most consumer cars today.

I would question him as to why 0.026" is better than say 0.032" for a
particular engine.  At 0.026" you can be reasonably assured that you will
never misfire IFF the spark is big enough to actually ignite the charge.  If
there is not enough spark energy then the plug may as well not even be in
the hole since the charge simply won't ignite.  At some point too small of a
gap is very bad.  Typically, the bigger the gap the better if the ignition
can handle it given the cylinder pressure.

A wide gap with lots of juice supplied to it is almost always better since
the spark is big, long and hot which results in more complete combustion.
The trick is finding the best combination of gap and spark energy for a
given application.


Regards,

Barry


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<snip>

> The mechanic at my local Mitsubishi service shop used to set up
> and race Detroit muscle cars back in the 60's.  He told me that
> running low spark plug gap (as low as 0.026) has always been
> considered one of the "tricks" from a dragracer's "bag."  Of course,
> whether or not this will help your mostly-stock N/A 3.0L V6
> (versus a fuel-gobbling, overbored big-block V8) is subject to
> debate.  I would surmise that the gains for your car would be
> negligible.
>
> --Errin Humphrey

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In addition, I think the lower plug gap (set to .028) will help avoid
detonation & keep the EGT's lower. I can see the difference between .028 &
.030 on my Temp gauge.
Arty 91 VR-4

In a message dated 12/10/98 12:17:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, beking@home.com
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The stock gap should be just right.  The reason for reducing the gap on the
turbo engines is that high cylinder pressures will increase misfires if the
gap is wide.  A smaller gap reduces spark intensity however so it is a
tradeoff.

Some people run as low as 0.028".  If you have to run less than 0.032" in a
turbo car it is time to upgrade the ignition, IMO, since you really are
throwing HP out the window.  I plan to get an amplifier and get the gap back
up to 0.038" or above once the engine is back together.


Regards,

Barry

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<snip>

> On a vaguely related note, is there any value in changing the gap on the
> plugs in a non-turbo car?  I've seen a lot of recommendations for gaps on
> the turbo models, but nothing on the NTs.  Without serious mods (I only
> have an FIPK), I suspect the stock gap should be appropriate, but I'm
> asking on the off-chance that it might make a difference...
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That's because you are not making as much power as you could be at 0.030" or
higher.  If EGTs are higher at 0.030" then you add a bit more fuel.  The
result is going to be better power.

I don't see how detonation comes into play.


Regards,

Barry

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>
> In addition, I think the lower plug gap (set to .028) will help avoid
> detonation & keep the EGT's lower. I can see the difference between .028 &
> .030 on my Temp gauge.
> Arty 91 VR-4

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josesini wrote:

> else.  After autocrossing for half a season with them I can attest that
> I did not have brake fade with it but I think this is because of the
> SCCA autocrosses limited speeds.  The only time I felt fade was at the
> DSM shootout 98 - autocross.  It was my fourth run and I had to take a
> 90 degree turn after going 80+ mph. Wow, it caught me by surprise, it
> was one of the last turns so I was able to control the car after that.
>
> For this coming season I'm planning on entering some time-trials (as
> well as autocrossing) and I know the brakes will fade at high speeds so
> I want something better.

Quick question:  How well does your car do on the autocross
courses?  Relative to other cars?  I ask because I have wanted
to give it a try in the future, but I feel that my car just might not
be appropriate for that kind of racing (becaus of its weight and
awd makes drifting difficult, and GT-type steering, etc.).

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> Octane.  21 psi requires 116 octane fuel. 

Hey Barry,

I've seen you mention this several times the last few weeks.  What is
the formula for calculating required octane for a specific psi.  I want
to calculate the max boost for the 92 octane available here in CA. 

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I do not have the formula at hand but have seen it in some SAE paper
somewhere before.

I use the Java applets at Ray Hall's site

http://www.internetnorth.com.au/turbofast/

Basically it calculates the detonation point based on cylinder pressures
(presumably ignoring ignition timing or assuming optimal) and selects the
octane which resists detonation at that pressure.


Regards,

Barry

> -----Original Message-----
> Hey Barry,
>
> I've seen you mention this several times the last few weeks.  What is
> the formula for calculating required octane for a specific psi.  I want
> to calculate the max boost for the 92 octane available here in CA.
>
> Thanks,
> Ken

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> Regarding the speedbleeders, I put an order last time I changed my brake
> fluid and I got 4 identical speedbleeders.  They only fit in the front
> calipers, so the rears still have the original bleeders.
>
> Does anyone know the right size for the rear speedbleeders?  Or if
> anyone wants to buy 4 rear bleeders, I will trade him my 2 extra front
> bleeders (new never installed) for 2 new rear ones.

Hi Jose,

This is strange.  My '91 VR4 uses identical sizes on all four corners,
and even in the clutch slave cylinder.  I bought 5 Speedbleeders, part #
SB1010, 10mm x 1.0.  I'd be very suprised if the rear calipers were
different between a '91 and '92.

If you have a thread gauge, pull out a rear bleed screw and measure it.
I'm certain the Speedbleeder guy would be happy to do an exchange for
you.

Good luck,
Ken
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> Quick question:  How well does your car do on the autocross
> courses?  Relative to other cars?  I ask because I have wanted
> to give it a try in the future, but I feel that my car just might not
> be appropriate for that kind of racing (becaus of its weight and
> awd makes drifting difficult, and GT-type steering, etc.).

After some driving schools I know the car better and I can say that drifts are
very possible and you'll drift over all four wheels earlier than expected when
hitting the gas in a corner :) Weight is really a problem and plays an important
rule. But with enough boost your tourque courve will be high and flat and you'll
never fall the rpms below 4000. There's plenty of power available for the fun. I
don't know what the autocross courses look like in the States as we usually race
on Racing roads (Formula 1 and other classes) in Europe but if you have more
low-gear turns then the weight rules much more. The real bad thing is the SRS
steering wheel. It's just too big and not good for racing. I hit my knees
several times to it but there's no replacement with an airbag available :(

// Roger

-----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
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"Errin D. Humphrey" wrote:
<SNIP>
> Quick question:  How well does your car do on the autocross
> courses?  Relative to other cars?  I ask because I have wanted
> to give it a try in the future, but I feel that my car just might not
> be appropriate for that kind of racing (becaus of its weight and
> awd makes drifting difficult, and GT-type steering, etc.).
>
> --Errin Humphrey

It all depends on the course layout.  Most SCCA autocrosses (Solo II)
attempt to layout a really narrow and slow course (no more than 45 mph)
due to the very sharp and consecutive turns.  In this case, the weight
is a big problem so is heavy understeer.  Solution - first get wheels
9.5 or 10 in wide with 36mm offset or lower and mount R1 tires
275-40R17s or wider if you can.  You will be amazed at how the
understeer gets reduced, and your times improve.
2nd get better shocks and springs (gabs and eibach or ground control)

But here in the Detroit SCCA section, 50% of the times the courses get
set up by some guy running a Street Prepared or Modified Mustang so they
know that fast courses it's better for their cars (and mine) so we hit
60mph and voila the times relative to others improve.

Unfortunately (or fortunate as you will see) not too many cars get
entered in my class so usually I run against very few other cars like 5
or so. I'm glad to say that I've always gotten 2nd or 1st place.  I do
have to say that my last autocross of the season was at the DSM
shootout, where I fried my clutch (barely made it home), so I was
running only stock boost (7-10psi), and I didn't have R1 tires.  Ended
up in the middle of my class something like 17/27 or something like
that.  That was a fast autocross 80+ mph, and long over 100sec laps
compare to the SCCA's 40 to 60sec laps.

Anyhow, I've discovered the secret is to be smooth on turns,and to break
heavily before the turn so you can accelerate as you reach the apex, and
come out at WOT with fully spooled turbos out of each turn without
understeering too much.

Good luck!

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Hi,

Skip this reply if your track is a drag strip.  Stock pads would work
fine for the short time you need them and there is plenty of time to let
the brake system cool down before the next run.

For a Road Course Track:

Stock pads  will get you thru about 60 track miles.

>Porterfield R4S,
That is a street pad.  The track pad is an R4 (part 513 for the TT).  I
have had the best longevity with the R4.  It will usually last 2 days of
driving school which equates to about 200 track miles. 
The "long" life may perhaps be attributed to Shawn Dewy's BBQ treatment
technique.  Thanks Shawn.  Source was ALAMO cost $120.  ALAMO stopped
carring Porterfield, but you can order direct from Porterfield.

>Performance Friction Z, 
Again a street pad.  I tried the 83 compound == lasted about as long as
stock pads.  The pads PF sent me had a much smaller surface area than
the
stock pads and actually cut a grove in my rotors.  Source was PF direct
and cost was $200. [plus replacement rotors at $86 each]  I'll never buy
from PF again.

>KVR carbon fiber, Pagid
Haven't tried these yet.

>Hawk HPS
Another street pad.  So far I've used one set of the Hawk GOLD
compound.  It lasted a complete school day plus one session == about 120
miles.  The GOLD pads gave the best pedal feel and best positive braking
I've had so far.  Source Fred Baker Porsche 800 584-4707.  Cost $150.

>Oh yeah, I forgot, I have a 92 Stealth TT.
OOOooppps.  With the 92 tiny rotors, you'll be lucky to get half of the
life at the track.  Although Mitsu increased the size of the rotors in
1994, they didn't also increase the size of the pads.  That would have
made a BIG difference.

P.S. I dont't use track pads on the street -- only on the track.


If you are going to do road track events,
1. Use Ford brake fluid
2. Get Stainless braded lines
3. Install cooling ducts
4. Go slow -- but fast thru the turns

See Adventures in Braking at my website

http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/flats/4538

I must replace th rear turbo I blew at Raod Atlanta last month.  But
before the turbo, I have to get better brake life.
Right now I'm planning to upgrade to a larger caliper/pad for the 99
season. So far Brad's BIG brakes seem like the easiest solution. 

[snip]
>Josesini  wrote:
>Does anyone know where I can get any of the following Brake Pads for our >cars? and is there one better than another.  My purpose is street and
>occasional track days.

Be of good cheer
John

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I have planned to replace the "truck style" stearing wheel to an aftermarket like Momo or something like that, but I feel that an airbag can be a good thing to have if...

I was looking at the japaneese mitsu site today and they have pictures of a good looking (or atleast much better looking) stearing wheel on the legnum/galant vr4.
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/PRODUCTSS/legnumv.html
Does anyone know if it's possible to use this stearing wheel in a 3000gt vr4 (93) and have full functionality on the airbag ?????

/Mikael http://www.bahnhof.se/~vr4

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Ahhh, this is really a nice thing ! I like it for sure. Just got off the phone
with a responsible person of Mitsu Switzerland and he told me that the VR-4 type
cars will not find their way to Europe :(( The Legnum would be the perfect
business car for me ! Till today these cars will not made for left steering
countries.

> Does anyone know if it's possible to use this stearing wheel in a 3000gt vr4
> (93) and have full functionality on the airbag ?????

Unfortunately, Mitsu changed the design of the hub over the years. The person
said that he can't see any way that it would fit because the timing of the
airbag will not be the same with the huge one we currently have and therefore
the security system will not be matched together. Maybe there will be away that
it will fit but nobody will guarantee for it. I think keeping the eyes open as
well as trying to contact some japanese friends would help for the future.

As I had the guy on the phone I also asked him about synchros and tranny stuff.
He confirmed, that all parts for our trannies are available seperately as well
as the synchros. Until 1 1/2 year ago Getrag just sold an exchange tranny (what
I got) when something went wrong and today a Mitsu dealer can order all the
stuff :) Just let me know.

Last but not least, I asked them for any further info and he just mentioned
something about the 4.8l V8 GDI engine. But this will be again a concept car and
will have not a lot in common with a future 3000GT plan. Here in Switzerland
they are selling 8 - 15 cars per year (going lower !) so it's no wonder that I
almost haven't seen any sister car over the last years. Furthermore, they think
that the 4-bangers have a better chance and are currently trying to get the
governments ok for the Galant VR-4 Evo IV Rally version. This is a 2.0litre
Turbo AWD 4-banger with 290hp ! Prize in Switzerland will be around the 3000GT
TT prize, ouch.

Cheers,
Roger

-----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)

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None of these EGR posts have given me a warm fuzzy feeling, so I've
been doing a ton of research on the EGR valve.

Put simply, the purpose of the EGR valve is for emissions reasons.
It is designed to reduce production of NOx gasses in the exhaust. The way it
does this is to recirculate exhaust into the intake charge. The amount of
exhaust allowed back into the intake charge is between 6%-10%. If it were
anything other than exhaust gas being returned to the intake, say plain old
air, you'd have some problems with air/fuel mixture and also temperature.

This is NOT what happens.

Just the opposite effect occurs. Since there is no O2 in the exhaust
gas, the recirculated axhaust is INERT and has a COOLING effect on the
combustion process. The purpose of the EGR is to keep the combustion
temperature below 2500F, the temp where NOx is produced. Any temps above
2500F cause NOx to be produced. If the EGR is disabled/blocked you not only
lose this quenching effect of the inert exhaust gasses in the combustion
chamber, but you also get poor performance, as Barry King noted, due to the
ECU continuing its' advancement of timing and fuel enrichment. This is
because the ECU is clueless that you have removed the EGR from the equation.
So what you get is poor performance. The engine runs with the wrong timing
and the wrong fuel enrichment. You also increase chances of detonation risk
because you've removed a system designed to cool the intake charge to under
2500F!

So some may say, "Well, then... I'll just play with my MASC/VPC/AFC
to lean the fuel to compensate for the missing EGR and I'll also install an
ITC to compensate for the new timing required." This still leaves the issue
of losing the cooling  effect of the intake charge to avoid increased
chances of detontaion.

Bottom line: I don't see how perfomance can be improved by removing
this system. If anything I think it makes performance worse. Tell me why I'm
wrong guys. Please.

Thanks!

--------------------------------------
Dave Allison
Network Engineer
Siebel Systems, Inc.
1875 South Grant
San Mateo, CA  94402
650-295-5410
dallison@siebel.com




-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Fontana [mailto:bfontana@securitytechnologies.com]
Sent: Friday, December 04, 1998 7:30 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
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The ECU closes the valve under boost, so we know there's no detriment to
performance by running without it while in boosted state.  When cruising,
the ECU will open the valve up even when the motor is warm.  But after two
years of stick time with the block plate installed, I was still getting 24
MPG @ 80 MPH.  It's hard to tell just what the down side of this
modification is other than "removing or modifying a pollution control
device". :-)

-Bob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> [mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of Barry E. King
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 1998 10:27 AM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Break out the champaign! (headers)
>
>
> The exhaust pressure idea is a good one.
>
> > What about a tapped line that allows to messure the pressure in
> > the manifold
> > before the turbo. This would be great for preventing any
> > pre-knock situation as
> > too much back-pressure can cause knock and a pressure sensor acts
> > more quick
> > than an EGT probe. I think I'll do this on the front one as there
> > is more space
> > available :)
>
> The problem with getting rid of the EGR is that the ECU still thinks it is
> there and behaves accordingly.  It activates it even though there
> is nothing
> to activate.  Once activated the ECU will adjust timing and mixture to
> compensate for the heat.  This of course changes the tune of the vehicle.
> Manually adjustig for it leaves the car out of tune once the EGR is
> deactivated by the ECU.  What really needs to happen is the EGR
> code in the
> ECU also be eliminated.
>
> > Therefore, you also blocked the EGR pipe, right ? I'd do
> > everything to keep the
> > intake cool and this would be the first one. Unfortunately,
> > emmission test must
> > be done evry two years. Also my mechanic told me that blocking
> > the EGR can kill
> > the rear pre-cat due to the hotter gases (huh ?). Comments ?
> >
> > -----------------------
> > Roger Gerl, Switzerland
> > 93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Barry
>
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Great stuff Dave.  Furthermore, even WITH some sort of compensating device
that device would have to be smart enough to compensate ONLY during EGR
operation (which is BTW readable from the ECU) and switch back to "normal"
compensation when the EGR was inactive.

Someone locally suggested not to mess with the Mistu EGR but they were
unable to give me an explanation I could understand.  I recently did get an
explanation from another Dodge/Mtsi mechanic (one who actually modifies
these things) and his explanation totally backs up what your research
suggests.  Messing with the EGR is a bad thing unless the ECU is
reprogrammed to compensate.


Regards,

Barry

> -----Original Message-----

<reluctantly snipped>

> So some may say, "Well, then... I'll just play with my MASC/VPC/AFC
> to lean the fuel to compensate for the missing EGR and I'll also
> install an
> ITC to compensate for the new timing required." This still leaves
> the issue
> of losing the cooling  effect of the intake charge to avoid increased
> chances of detontaion.
>
> Bottom line: I don't see how perfomance can be improved by removing
> this system. If anything I think it makes performance worse. Tell
> me why I'm
> wrong guys. Please.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --------------------------------------
> Dave Allison

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Try http://www.ogracing.com/

They carry a huge assortment of race products, including the full line of
Performance Friction brake pads, and the full line of RedLine fluids.

As for autocrossing, yes the 3000 is too heavy for tight courses. The car is
amazing over 80 mph, and good in the 50-80 region, but on some courses you
never even hit 50 mph. AutoX layouts vary widely by region, but DC Region
SCCA sets very tight, low-speed courses. So, as they say, your mileage will
vary...

   -Ed
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Hey Dave,

Sounds good.  I'm all but convinced that you have a good point.  Under
boost, however, the EGR has none of these positive effects since the valve
is closed.  It it were open during boost, manifold pressure would exceed the
02 housing and our charge air would end up leaking out throught the EGR
valve.  Detonation while *not* under boost has never been a problem in these
cars, so I'm left wondering just what its purpose is other than preheating
the charge air during initial cold weather startup and perhaps a little
exhaust cleanup during cruising.  What else would it be?

-Bob

>
> Bottom line: I don't see how perfomance can be improved by removing
> this system. If anything I think it makes performance worse. Tell
> me why I'm wrong guys. Please.
>

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Good point regarding EGR activation at boost...

But, if the EGR valve is blocked during boost situations, what is
the point of removing the device at the expense of engine cruising quality
and gas mileage?

With your post I'm even MORE confused why someone would want to
tamper with a subsystem that is irrelevant during WOT situations.

--------------------------------------
Dave Allison
Network Engineer
Siebel Systems, Inc.
1875 South Grant
San Mateo, CA  94402
650-295-5410
dallison@siebel.com




-----Original Message-----
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Hey Dave,

Sounds good.  I'm all but convinced that you have a good point.  Under
boost, however, the EGR has none of these positive effects since the valve
is closed.  It it were open during boost, manifold pressure would exceed the
02 housing and our charge air would end up leaking out throught the EGR
valve.  Detonation while *not* under boost has never been a problem in these
cars, so I'm left wondering just what its purpose is other than preheating
the charge air during initial cold weather startup and perhaps a little
exhaust cleanup during cruising.  What else would it be?

-Bob

>
> Bottom line: I don't see how perfomance can be improved by removing
> this system. If anything I think it makes performance worse. Tell
> me why I'm wrong guys. Please.
>

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Dave,

The reason I think it's relevant is because of the copper flex pipe that
connects the 02 housing to the plenum opens up to a passageway that runs
along the back wall of the plenum on the inside.  When the valve is closed,
this passageway is filled with 1000F-1300F exhaust gas.  When it is open,
exhaust gets released into the plenum.  Even if it never opens, the heat
from the exhaust gas will warm up the plenum.  In fact, it gets DAMN hot!
To a drag racer, anything that heats up charge air handlers is not a good
thing.  Granted, in cruising situations, the EGR is probably of some
benefit.  But in 10, 11 or 12-second bursts, a functioning EGR valve is of
no importance.

I think.  Anyone?

-Bob

> Good point regarding EGR activation at boost...
>
> But, if the EGR valve is blocked during boost situations, what is
> the point of removing the device at the expense of engine cruising
> quality and gas mileage?
>
> With your post I'm even MORE confused why someone would want to
> tamper with a subsystem that is irrelevant during WOT situations.
>

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EGR open under cruise allows unburnable waste gasses in, dilutes the
incoming air with no-oxygen air.  To compensate, you have to open the
throttle plate more to let adequate oxygenated air in to do the
combustion.  With throttle open more, there is less pumping loss, less
VACUUM created, so engine is running same HP with MORE-OPEN
throttleplate.  Creating the intake vacuum wastes a fair amount of
energy, costs MPG.  That is part of the reason Diesel engines are
efficient (especially with a turbo)--they have NO throttleplate, have NO
intake vacuum--are at full atmospheric pressure in intake tract at all
times, no losses to vacuum production/throttling.  This is part of it at
least; there is decrease in NOx production too, as I recall.
Jack Tertadian
Wishing the Global Warming Farce was real...

Bob Fontana wrote:
> Under boost EGR has none of these positive effects since valve
> is closed.  If open during boost, manifold pressure would exceed
> 02 housing; charge air would leak out through EGR
> valve.  Detonation while *not* under boost isn't problem
> so I'm wondering what purpose is other than preheating
> charge air during cold startup and
> exhaust cleanup during cruising.  
> -Bob

> > Bottom line: I don't see how perfomance can be improved by removing
> > this system. If anything I think it makes performance worse. Tell
> > me why I'm wrong guys. Please.
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All,

    Just got a chance to get the new Turbo Magazine (January 1999) which
featured the EIP Tuning and Toyo Tires East Coast Import Shootout.

After reading, I think they mistakenly though I had Adam Weltz's car when they
referenced it, and this is what the "Winners Circle" should have read:

HH - Diamond Star RWD/AWD

Winner.......Randall Mahaffey  '94 Stealth Twin Turbo    11.917   117.62
R/U............Adam Weltz         '96 3000GT VR4            12.387   114.05

Instead they put this..

Winner.......Randall Marabby   '96 Mitsubishi    11.917  117.62
R/U............Adam Weltz         '92 Eagle           12.387  114.05

LOL, I have no idea how they messed everything up so bad..  Would have been
neat for everyone who reads Turbo Magazine too see two Stealth/VR4's ruled the
AWD Quick 8 class..

At least they included an AWESOME pic of Adam launching the heck out of his
'96 3000GT VR4.. Great pic Adam!

TTYLater,
Mike Mahaffey (Randall Michael Mahaffey - for those who wonder where the
Randall came from:)
'94 Stealth tt
Best et: 11.6 Best mph: 121.58
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OK.guys,
My TT stealth has a very bad knocking sound.  I need to know if there
are roller bearings on the wrist pins.  Is it possible to pull the oil
pan out from the bottom?  IF that's possible, can you get the rods and
pistons out without removing the crank?  Are shortblocks or whole motors
available? Price?
Nathan Crisman
92 Stealth TT

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Anyone ever notice all the black stuff on the inside
of their exhaust tips? Seems to me thats the same junk
the EGR valve is injecting into the plenum. Reason enough
to block the EGR along with the crankcase breather line.
The feds may want our cars to eat their own waste products,
but I for one won't let mine.
Joe Kaczmarski


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> -----Original Message-----
> OK.guys,
> My TT stealth has a very bad knocking sound.  I need to know if there
> are roller bearings on the wrist pins.

No, the wrist pins are press fit plain bearings.

> Is it possible to pull the oil pan out from the bottom?

Yes.

> IF that's possible, can you get the rods and
> pistons out without removing the crank?

Possible but likely not the right way to do it.  Once you're there why not
do it right...

> Are shortblocks or whole motors available?

Probably both, but definitely short blocks.

> Price?

$2600 give or take.  A rebuild will likely yield better results unless the
crank is shot.

> Nathan Crisman
> 92 Stealth TT



Barry


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> Winner.......Randall Mahaffey  '94 Stealth Twin Turbo    11.917   117.62
> R/U............Adam Weltz         '96 3000GT VR4            12.387   114.05

This sounds much better and it shows that ou cars can be fast :)

Unfortunately the turbo mag consists of many, many errors. I just recall the AFC
/ ITC setup a few months back as they messed up a picture of the connections. If
someone would install the parts like this the engine would never run :) Also the
article on Chris Doturs "Wild Blue" was not that good as Chris said that they
cut and changed the article in a bad way :(

But is there any better mag around ???

-----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)


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> Is it possible to pull the oil pan out from the bottom?

Yes, you have to put out the small transaxle connection (if its the right word)
and the pan can the be removed.

> IF that's possible, can you get the rods and pistons out without removing
> the crank?

Yes, at least for the pistons. My mechanic just did this job on my car and
replaced the 6 pistons with the engine in the bay. Not really a big deal.

-----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)


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I doubt that there is any better magazine around.  July 97 Sport Compact car
butchered the original article on my MR2.  Several things were printed
inaccurate. These things were accurate when submitted.

I feel some of the editors in these magazines have trouble comprehending
what they are reading.  Maybe they just don't care about accuracy and feel
they have to put free plugs about their venders.

> Brad
>
> Check out my home page:    http://lonestar.texas.net/~bbedell
> E-Mail: bbedell@texas.net ICQ#  3612682


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> Winner.......Randall Mahaffey  '94 Stealth Twin Turbo    11.917   117.62
> R/U............Adam Weltz         '96 3000GT VR4            12.387
114.05

This sounds much better and it shows that ou cars can be fast :)

Unfortunately the turbo mag consists of many, many errors. I just recall the
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/ ITC setup a few months back as they messed up a picture of the
connections. If
someone would install the parts like this the engine would never run :) Also
the
article on Chris Doturs "Wild Blue" was not that good as Chris said that
they
cut and changed the article in a bad way :(

But is there any better mag around ???

-----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)


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What color fluid is in the transfer case?  I'm leaking what looks to be oil
but it seems to be coming from the trasfer case.  Does this sound right?
It just started today.  The trasfer case is pretty new (one year/25k
miles).  Any help would be great.

Thanks,

Brian Danley
93 vr-4

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Hey guys and girls,

This might be old news but I found this while searching for white guage
faces for my Jeep.
Autobahn International Motorsports - World's Finest Performance Parts &
Accessories
(www.autobahnint.com)

They've got alot of stuff...probably alot of it is the same as GT Alley
and Accelerated Accessories but it's worth a look.

I found colored guage faces for 3/S while there made by a company called
"NR AUTO":

Here's that link NR Coloured Guage Faces

--
-Jeff Crabtree
   '91 Stealth R/T Turbo
      '93 Jeep YJ Wrangler Sport
         St. Louis, MO


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Hey guys and girls,

<P>This might be old news but I found this while searching for white guage
faces for my Jeep.
<BR>&nbsp;<A HREF="http://www.autobahnint.com/">Autobahn International
Motorsports - World's Finest Performance Parts &amp; Accessories</A>
<BR>(www.autobahnint.com)

<P>They've got alot of stuff...probably alot of it is the same as GT Alley
and Accelerated Accessories but it's worth a look.

<P>I found colored guage faces for 3/S while there made by a company called
"NR AUTO":

<P>Here's that link <A HREF="http://www.autobahnint.com/AIM_store/Html/NR_Auto/NR_Auto_HTML/NR_Gauge_Faces_Mitsubishi.htm">NR
Coloured Guage Faces</A>

<P>--
<BR>-Jeff Crabtree
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; '91 Stealth R/T Turbo
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; '93 Jeep YJ Wrangler Sport
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Hi all,

I've been skimming through the recent discussion on EGR, and may regret
not paying closer attention now...

I have a vehicle (non-Stealth, but hopefully you'll forgive me) which on
Friday exhibited some strange behavior.  After running smoothly for the
first week of ownership, it suddenly began running very roughly.  It got
steadily worse over about 10 minutes, until it finally died - in the
middle of an intersection, of course.  It started right up, and continued
running roughly for a couple blocks, to where I could get it off the road.

The gas gauge showed 3/4 full, so *that* wasn't it.  I restarted it, still
running roughly, but now accompanied by a STRONG sulfur smell.  Also, the
power-assist on the brakes was non-functional.  I decided to have my dad
follow me to the dealership (he was driving my Stealth, see how it all
comes together?), to have them take a look at it. On the way there (about
a 10 minute drive), the roughness went away and the sulfur smell
dissipated.  By the time I got there, the engine had smoothed out enough
to "make a liar of me" when I tried to show them what was happening.
Also, the power-assist on the brakes came back within a couple minutes of
pulling away.

Their first guess as to the problem was a chunk of carbon deposits had
broken loose and temporarily blocked the EGR valve.  This lead to
incomplete combustion, the rough idle, etc.  They've kept it over the
weekend, and will put it on the computer this AM and see if any error
codes show up.

So here are my questions:
1) Is their explanation a reasonable possibility?
2) What possible linkage could there be to my braking system?  Would poor
or erratic RPMs affect the brake fluid pumping mechanism?

The vehicle is a 94 GMC Jimmy, if that makes any difference.

Thanks for your help, and for your indulgence.

Dennis Moore
stealth@kiva.net

There are no *stupid* people in this world, only *ignorant* ones.

Ignorance is a good problem, because the application of accurate
information can help people get over it.

However, ignorance combined with arrogance closely resembles stupidity.

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I also found them a while ago but their prices are somewhat hight. Definitely a
good source for german cars :)

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Dennis:

Dennis Moore wrote:

<snip>

> So here are my questions:
> 1) Is their explanation a reasonable possibility?

The explanation you got *sounds* reasonable to me, but I'll let the more
technically proficient here answer this one.

> 2) What possible linkage could there be to my braking
> system?  Would poor or erratic RPMs affect the brake
> fluid pumping mechanism?

This one I *can* answer.  The answer is yes.  Power assist or power
brakes work off of vacuum from your manifold.  If the car is
idling/running poorly, the loss of proper vacuum from your manifold will
effect the performance of the power assist brakes.

> The vehicle is a 94 GMC Jimmy, if that makes any difference.

Well, it's a GM product .... <whole-body-shudder> .... so this may
effect how willing some folks are to even bother helping to diagnose the
problem.   :-)

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In the magazine trade, advertising dollars pay the bills. Readers are
important because readership determines advertising rates, but subscription
income is minimal. In other words, business-savvy editors may be wise to
keep their advertisers happy even at the expense of pissed-off individual
readers whose cars they describe inaccurately.

Question to ponder: How much money does BMW give Car & Driver to *always*
rate BMWs as the top car in every class they enter? It's almost humorous the
way C&D will rig their point results so the BMW will always win, often by
merely a single point (on a scale of 100).

    -Ed


-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Bedell


I feel some of the editors in these magazines have trouble comprehending
what they are reading.  Maybe they just don't care about accuracy and feel
they have to put free plugs about their venders.
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Ouch.  That's a pretty damning indictment.  Has anyone ever done any
serious research to determine whether this is an accurate assumption or
not?  I can see the possibility of some editors being tempted to do this,
but are the advertisers so disingenuous that they would would want to
continue doing business with a magazine which pulled these kinds of
stunts?  After all, "If they massage my numbers, what will happen to my
products' ratings when I'm no longer the biggest account?"

Dennis Moore
stealth@kiva.net

On Mon, 14 Dec 1998, Fein, Edward wrote:
>
> In the magazine trade, advertising dollars pay the bills. Readers are
> important because readership determines advertising rates, but subscription
> income is minimal. In other words, business-savvy editors may be wise to
> keep their advertisers happy even at the expense of pissed-off individual
> readers whose cars they describe inaccurately.
[snip]

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It's common proactice in most magazine trades, sadly enough. For example,
video game magazines always rate their heavy advertisers' games higher.

I'm sure the big aftermarket companies enjoy similar "agreements" with
Turbo, Sport Compact Car, and the other auto mags. I mean, certain prominent
aftermarket companies are notorious for having products that are impossible
to tune, or flimsy and easily breakable, or just generally suck. But these
companies advertise heavily in said magazines, and by strange happenstance,
those magazines somehow overlook the shortcomings of the products and give
them rave reviews.

You don't really think that's all coincidence, do you?

So if Turbo does a writeup on some reader's hot ride, and 'accidentally'
mislabels their boost controller as being from one of their prominent
advertisers... well, being the cynical guy that I am, I wouldn't be so sure
that it was really accidental.

     -Ed


-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Moore

Ouch.  That's a pretty damning indictment.  Has anyone ever done any
serious research to determine whether this is an accurate assumption or
not?  I can see the possibility of some editors being tempted to do this,
but are the advertisers so disingenuous that they would would want to
continue doing business with a magazine which pulled these kinds of
stunts?  After all, "If they massage my numbers, what will happen to my
products' ratings when I'm no longer the biggest account?"

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-----Original Message-----From: Fein, Edward <fein@strategy.com>
|In the magazine trade, advertising dollars pay the bills. Readers are
|important because readership determines advertising rates, but subscription
|income is minimal. In other words, business-savvy editors may be wise to
|keep their advertisers happy even at the expense of pissed-off individual
|readers whose cars they describe inaccurately.
-----------snip---------

Absolutely true, but you must also include two other factors when evaluating
the written word:  Ignorance and ineptitude.  Even ad-free Consumer Reports
regularly gives high ratings to cars that can't go around a corner, have
lousy service records, and/or squeak unmercifully from the day they leave
the showroom.  There are no advertising dollars to explain the mistakes, but
lazy writers will often plagiarize what others have written because they
didn't have the time to check out the product themselves, or they're not
educated enough to reach a valid conclusion.  CR has done everything from
saying that foul plastic diet sodas taste as good as the real sugared
product, claimed oleo as good as butter, Kraft mayo as good as Hellmann's
(Best Foods) and no-name potato chips as good as Wise...  In the technical
areas they're even worse, with cars and electronics leading the error
factory line--  A 'beemer' as good as a Porsche...?  A Radio Shack speaker
as good as a JBL...?  A Minolta as good as a Nikon...?  It's never happened,
and probably never will...

Anyone with taste buds, ears, eyes, or a BRAIN will usually reach a
different conclusion than some writers in even the best magazines.  You have
to do your own research and forget what 'they' say, and just look at the
pretty pictures in the mags.  I bought a Stealth because of what I saw and
felt, but I never would have if I trusted only what I read.  And it's the
best car I've ever owned.  I'm going to finish this sandwich (Progresso Tuna
and Hellmann's mayonnaise, with a Coke), then grab my Nikon, and go for a
drive in my Stealth...

Forrest




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Bob Forrest wrote:
> From: Fein, Edward
> |In magazine trade advertising dollars pay bills. business-savvy editors may be wise to
> |keep advertisers happy at expense of pissed-off individual
> |readers whose cars they describe inaccurately.

> Absolutely true, but you must also include two other factors when evaluating
> the written word:  Ignorance and ineptitude.   I bought a Stealth because of what I saw and
> felt, but I never would have if I trusted only what I read.  And it's the
> best car I've ever owned.  I'm going to finish this sandwich (Progresso Tuna
> and Hellmann's mayonnaise, with a Coke), then grab my Nikon, and go for a
> drive in my Stealth...
> Forrest

Forrest, you Live the Life, man!  Excellence.

There is a definite "party line" in each magazine.  With only a few
writers, who own and like certain cars just as we all do, the personal
biases inevitably color the reviews.  Sometimes it is entertaining,
sometimes maddening and disappointing.  Currently, it is clear that BMW
is the darling favorite of Car and Driver writers.  BMWs are excellent
cars, but when they come out with an M3 as "Best Handling Car in the
World" at expense of superior sports cars such as Ferrari 355, new
Vette, Lotus, etc when doing many objective tests but NEGLECTING TO GIVE
ROADCOURSE LAPTIMES because BMW came in LAST to EVERYTHING...printing
THAT would make their conclusion ridiculous.  (Also Viper but that is so
raw they have drummed the idea of it being great handling right out of
us, as the "delicate genius" style of handling is what is in vogue with
Car & Driver et al).

Phaaah to their subjective biases.  Many times the car with great stats,
great looks, great "cool factor", great upgradability loses to some
losermobile because of the cupholders, floormats, seat bolsters, view
out the back window, 'lack of room for my tallest hat' and bullpoop like
that.  Our cars are too HEAVY--wwwaaaAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHhhhhh.  They go fast
around corners without DRAMA (can you say NSX? but for that car boring
handling is ok).   They are interesting to look at not upright
sedan-boring.  They are Japanese, not Italian or German.  Mitsubishis
don't have a following at the local roadcourse Drivers Schools/race
events like BMW and Porsche, and as auto rag writers, we want to stay
popular with THAT crowd, right?  They are AFFORDABLE USED, and amazingly
upgradable for cheap, not just by spending $10,000+ to get a low 13
second car like with some BMW M3...MAYbe even high 12's, oooohhh...
[picture Austin Powers' Dr. Evil with pinkie to mouth] 

Oh well.  Let us continue to own our cars, and crush our enemies with
ruthless abandon.  The good part is the magazine drivel keeps all the
rubes smirking at us...right up until they get repeatedly ground into
the dirt by our blatant superiority on-track and on-street...sun, rain,
dirt, snow, ice.   Bring on more "superior victims", I am hungry!

Jack Tertadian
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   Jack,
   Agreed. However, if you are referring to the Sept. '97
C&D Article "Best-Handling Car for More Than $30,000",
they did indeed include a Nelson Ledges raceway lap
time on page 81. As you predicted the M3 fared poorly.
   Here are the times:
Viper...................1:17.3
Ferrari F355.........1:18.3
Corvette C5..........1:19.9
Supra TT..............1:20.1
Carrera S.............1:21.3
BMW M3.............1:21.6
Acura NSX-T........1:22.0
Boxster...............1:23.5
Honda Prelude.....1:25.0(Winner of the under $30,000 series).
  
   I am not a road racer but 4.3 seconds (the margin of victory
for the Viper over the M3) appears to be several lifetimes in
this type of event. Best handling car in the world?Yeah,right.
   Just so this has some 3S content... In a test between the M3,
Corvette, Supra, and 3000GT a few months earlier, this same
magazine gave the M3 a higher score for 'Styling' than it gave
the Mitsu.Unbelievable. Oh well, enough ranting. I must get
some perverse pleasure from reading these rags since I keep
the subscriptions going.
                                  Wayne 3SI #87
                                   '91 Stealth TT (Best handling car I've
owned)

                                   
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On Dec 15, TTurboAWD@aol.com said:
>    Jack,
[snip]
>    Just so this has some 3S content... In a test between the M3,
> Corvette, Supra, and 3000GT a few months earlier, this same
> magazine gave the M3 a higher score for 'Styling' than it gave
> the Mitsu.Unbelievable.

This is even after the comment they made that the 3000GT attracted the most
looks.

Or just maybe that the M3 would indeed look more 'Stylish' if you were to look
at these cars with your head up your ass...But, I ain't gonna try it :-)

-sankar
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What's the best place/way to find a '94 R/T TT for sale? I've been
searching all over the net and the only one I found for sale was on
Rhode Island and it's not even a TT. It's really quite frustrating ;)
Anybody have any suggestions? After all, I'd like to join in on some of
the mailing list conversations, not just read everything (including 1/4
mile times) thinking "I really wish I had a stealth right now". Thank ya
:)
oh, if it's relevant, I won't be buying one this week or anything, I
just want a place to start looking so i can buy one in the next few
months.

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Zentelis none wrote:
>
> What's the best place/way to find a '94 R/T TT for sale? I've been
> searching all over the net and the only one I found for sale was on
> Rhode Island and it's not even a TT. It's really quite frustrating ;)
> Anybody have any suggestions? After all, I'd like to join in on some of
> the mailing list conversations, not just read everything (including 1/4
> mile times) thinking "I really wish I had a stealth right now". Thank ya
> :)
> oh, if it's relevant, I won't be buying one this week or anything, I
> just want a place to start looking so i can buy one in the next few
> months.

Check out http://www.classifieds2000.com.  They usually list over 40
VR4's nationwide at any given time.
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Zentelis...

I found mine through the Auto Trader website. I was looking for a specific
year, specific color, low miles and, of course, the lowest possible price.
That was eighteen months ago and I had spent four months looking locally.
Finally used the web and it took me a couple months to find one. Funny you
should mention Rhode Island, that's where mine finally showed up. Flew out
to inspect it, make a deal. Took six weeks to get it shipped out here.
Probably couldn't have found one farther away, but it was worth the search.
Their site is:

http://www.traderonline.com/auto/index.shtml

Good luck!!!

Looking forward...Chris

"Friends don't let friends ride with me"

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4 

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Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 10:43 AM
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What's the best place/way to find a '94 R/T TT for sale? I've been
searching all over the net and the only one I found for sale was on
Rhode Island and it's not even a TT. It's really quite frustrating ;)
Anybody have any suggestions? After all, I'd like to join in on some of
the mailing list conversations, not just read everything (including 1/4
mile times) thinking "I really wish I had a stealth right now". Thank ya
:)
oh, if it's relevant, I won't be buying one this week or anything, I
just want a place to start looking so i can buy one in the next few
months.

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Due to his allegedly improper (and probably illegal) business practices with
at least two of our members, The GT Alley AKA GTAlley AKA Brian Fuentes AKA
Charlie Hupp Race Cars AKA Charlie Hupp AKA Portmasters is hereby removed
from the Team3S list, and is hereby permanently banned, effective
immediately.

Bob Forrest
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Bob;

I'm glad you're right on top of this shit. At the outset you indicated that rules were
rules, and it's nice to see them enforced.

Darc

Bob Forrest wrote:

> Due to his allegedly improper (and probably illegal) business practices with
> at least two of our members, The GT Alley AKA GTAlley AKA Brian Fuentes AKA
> Charlie Hupp Race Cars AKA Charlie Hupp AKA Portmasters is hereby removed
> from the Team3S list, and is hereby permanently banned, effective
> immediately.
>
> Bob Forrest
> Admin, Team3S
>
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Hmm... not I like to nose around but what did he (Brian) do??  I'm
suppose to hook up with him after New years and have him work on my
car.  Can some please advise? =(

George




---Bob Forrest <bf@bobforrest.com> wrote:
>
> Due to his allegedly improper (and probably illegal) business
practices with
> at least two of our members, The GT Alley AKA GTAlley AKA Brian
Fuentes AKA
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removed
> from the Team3S list, and is hereby permanently banned, effective
> immediately.
>
> Bob Forrest
> Admin, Team3S
>
>
>
>
>
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Last time I checked embezzlement was indeed still a crime.

- tds

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    To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
    Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 1:51 PM
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George,

Actually this is your lucky day!
Now you won't be swindled like myself
and others have.  I will forward emails I have
sent out to many members today advising them of the
recent criminal offenses that have been perpetrated
by Brian and the GT Alley.

- Todd

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
    -----Original Message-----
    From: George Kuo <amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
    To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
    Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 4:22 PM
    Subject: Re: Team3S: GT Alley removed from list...
   =20
   =20
    Hmm... not I like to nose around but what did he (Brian) do??  I'm
    suppose to hook up with him after New years and have him work on my
    car.  Can some please advise? =3D(
   =20
    George
   =20
   =20
   =20
   =20
    ---Bob Forrest <bf@bobforrest.com> wrote:
    >
    > Due to his allegedly improper (and probably illegal) business
    practices with
    > at least two of our members, The GT Alley AKA GTAlley AKA Brian
    Fuentes AKA
    > Charlie Hupp Race Cars AKA Charlie Hupp AKA Portmasters is hereby
    removed
    > from the Team3S list, and is hereby permanently banned, effective
    > immediately.
    >=20
    > Bob Forrest
    > Admin, Team3S
    >=20
    >=20
    >=20
    >=20
    >=20
    > For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
    http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
    >=20
   =20
    _________________________________________________________
    DO YOU YAHOO!?
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>George,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Actually this is your lucky day!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Now you won't be swindled like myself</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>and others have.&nbsp; I will forward emails I=20
have</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>sent out to many members today advising them of=20
the</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>recent criminal offenses that have been=20
perpetrated</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>by Brian and the GT Alley.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>- Todd</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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I'm a little slow today, so what did Brian actually do?

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Hey everyone,

I am in the process of building a business plan to open a shop here locally
in Austin.
I would very much appreciate if you would take a few moments and answer a
few of the following questions.


What forms of advertising gets your attention.  Radio, magazine, track
events, word of mouth etc...

What makes you a new customer?  What would it take to earn your business?
What would it take to keep your business?

What makes a good shop? (Presentation of the shop, showroom etc.)

Anything else that I have not thought of that may be beneficial to a
successful shop.

I wish to open and operate a shop that caters to Mitsubishi and Toyota,
including doing maintenance work and possibly repair work better than a
dealership.


Thanks for any help that can be provided.

> Brad
>
> Check out my home page:    http://lonestar.texas.net/~bbedell
> E-Mail: bbedell@texas.net ICQ#  3612682


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Brad;

Good old fashioned word of mouth will do you better than anything else. It's what  can
make or break a person, and where the service is impecable: professional, honest, and
first class, it won't be long before you wonder if you have enough time in life to
handle the requests for your expertise...which may mean expansion, with the then
unenviable task of having your reputation then umberella over (hopefully) the same type
of  characteristics in employees that you hire. As  I mentioned to Errin in Seattle
recently...a brochure under the wiper of every 3S and radical Toyota that you see, is
clearly another way to target your clients without a lot of cash laid out. Other means
of advertising are of course effective as well, but for me, I like down to earth people,
and shy away from the glitter.

Best of  luck (Good on ya) whatever way you go

Darc

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OK,  I probably shouldn't publicly post this(it's off topic).  However, considering what
is going down with GT Alley I think it's ironic that Brad has asked this question now,
and important that we should share some ideas publicly about what a shop should be like.

Add to it if ya want.

Brad Bedell wrote:

> What forms of advertising gets your attention.  Radio, magazine, track
> events, word of mouth etc...

You are already using the most powerful marketing tool in existence.  I would say dump
ALOT of your Ad $$ into designing a VERY good website.  That way any OTHER advertising
you do can direct people to your web address for detailed info.  AND LINK, LINK, LINK!!!



> What makes you a new customer?  What would it take to earn your business?
> What would it take to keep your business?

Credentials, experience, word of mouth, and honesty.  (see diatribe at the end)

#1)  Don't forget, the customer is always right.
#2)  If the customer is wrong, see#1

What makes a good shop? (Presentation of the shop, showroom etc.)

Every disorganized dirty shop I've ever been in, save one, has screwed up my car.  Keep
it organized and crisp.


> Anything else that I have not thought of that may be beneficial to a
> successful shop.

Among other things, price is probably most important.  I'll pay a premium only when it's
worth it.  If you want to get paid alot, be worth it, otherwise be prepared to be the
price leader.

> I wish to open and operate a shop that caters to Mitsubishi and Toyota,
> including doing maintenance work and possibly repair work better than a
> dealership.

I'd be happy to take my car anywhere other than the dealership if I thought I could
trust anyone else.  My biggest problem with auto repair shops is sloppy work and
dishonesty.  The ONLY time I take my car in to a shop is when it needs something I can't
do.  I simply don't trust any idiot mechanic to work on my car because it is NOT his
car, and I know he(or she) doesn't care.  So he's going to do a slam-bam-thank-ya-ma'am
job because his lunch break is in ten minutes or because his boss told him to finish the
job before he leaves and he's supposed to get off at 5.

Make sure your staff cares about everything they do like they are working on their own
car.  I guarantee you'll win every time.

Oh yeah, and my Stealth is going to be needing an engine overhaul when I get it back
from the body shop.  If you need some practice, I'd be glad to volunteer!

--
-Jeff Crabtree
    '91 Stealth R/T Turbo(#499)
          '93 Wrangler 4.0L Sport
               St. Louis, MO


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OK,&nbsp; I probably shouldn't publicly post this(it's off topic).&nbsp;
However, considering what is going down with GT Alley I think it's ironic
that Brad has asked this question now, and important that we should share
some ideas publicly about what a shop should be like.
<p>Add to it if ya want.
<p>Brad Bedell wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><b>What forms of advertising gets your attention.&nbsp;
Radio, magazine, track</b>
<br><b>events, word of mouth etc...</b></blockquote>
You are already using the most powerful marketing tool in existence.&nbsp;
I would say dump ALOT of your Ad $$ into designing a VERY good website.&nbsp;
That way any OTHER advertising you do can direct people to your web address
for detailed info.&nbsp; AND LINK, LINK, LINK!!!
<br>&nbsp;
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><b>What makes you a new customer?&nbsp; What would
it take to earn your business?</b>
<br><b>What would it take to keep your business?</b></blockquote>
Credentials, experience, word of mouth, and honesty.&nbsp; (see diatribe
at the end)
<p>#1)&nbsp; Don't forget, the customer is always right.
<br>#2)&nbsp; If the customer is wrong, see#1<b></b>
<p><b>What makes a good shop? (Presentation of the shop, showroom etc.)</b><b></b>
<p>Every disorganized dirty shop I've ever been in, save one, has screwed
up my car.&nbsp; Keep it organized and crisp.
<br>&nbsp;
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><b>Anything else that I have not thought of that
may be beneficial to a</b>
<br><b>successful shop.</b></blockquote>
Among other things, price is probably most important.&nbsp; I'll pay a
premium only when it's worth it.&nbsp; If you want to get paid alot, be
worth it, otherwise be prepared to be the price leader.
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><b>I wish to open and operate a shop that caters
to Mitsubishi and Toyota,</b>
<br><b>including doing maintenance work and possibly repair work better
than a</b>
<br><b>dealership.</b></blockquote>
I'd be happy to take my car anywhere other than the dealership if I thought
I could trust anyone else.&nbsp; My biggest problem with auto repair shops
is sloppy work and dishonesty.&nbsp; The ONLY time I take my car in to
a shop is when it needs something I can't do.&nbsp; I simply don't trust
any idiot mechanic to work on my car because it is NOT his car, and I know
he(or she) doesn't care.&nbsp; So he's going to do a slam-bam-thank-ya-ma'am
job because his lunch break is in ten minutes or because his boss told
him to finish the job before he leaves and he's supposed to get off at
5.
<p>Make sure your staff cares about everything they do like they are working
on their own car.&nbsp; I guarantee you'll win every time.
<p>Oh yeah, and my Stealth is going to be needing an engine overhaul when
I get it back from the body shop.&nbsp; If you need some practice, I'd
be glad to volunteer!
<p>--
<br>-Jeff Crabtree
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; '91 Stealth R/T Turbo(#499)
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; '93 Wrangler
4.0L Sport
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
St. Louis, MO
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-----Original Message-----From: Brad Bedell <bbedell@texas.net>

|What forms of advertising gets your attention.  Radio, magazine, track
|events, word of mouth etc...

Maintenance and repair shops usually do local business, so mass media like
radio and mags are probably economically inefficient; word of mouth and
flyers and newspapers would most likely make me take note.  And don't
forget, lots of techies buy complex, techie cars :-) , so put up a slick,
informative website and a matching poster with your URL...


|What makes you a new customer?

Shoddy workmanship or impersonal service from the shop I'm using gets me
looking...


|What would it take to earn your business?

The promise of a more attentive and more knowledgeable service staff, who
does WHAT they say they will WHEN they say they will, and do it better than
the competition.


|What would it take to keep your business?

Living up to the promise...  Satisfied customers come back.


|What makes a good shop? (Presentation of the shop, showroom etc.)

The best shops I've ever used were usually a disorganized hole in the wall
with one genius curmudgeon running the show and underpaid apprentices
following the master's every word.
I like shops that are greasy with the dirt of hard work.  Although a nice
yuppie coffee machine in the corner loaded with fresh ground is always a
nice touch.


|Anything else that I have not thought of that may be beneficial to a
|successful shop.

Again, it's a personal preference, but I like shops that only use the best
products, and I don't mind paying extra for them; real guarantees to stand
behind work done is another big draw; and having booklets or even a few
sheets stapled together explaining the procedures give me confidence that
they WANT me to be informed so I can work with them.


|I wish to open and operate a shop that caters to Mitsubishi and Toyota,
|including doing maintenance work and possibly repair work better than a
|dealership.

Better than a dealership?  That shouldn't be too tough...  :-)  Best of
luck, Brad...


Forrest




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Not much I could add to Jeff, Bob and Darc's response, Brad.  I think you're
going about
it the right way by doing some market research before jumping in with both
feet.  Judging
from some of the pictures I've seen of your work, customers will be driving
away satisfied.  I agree with Jeff about a shop's
appearance.  A neat, organized and clean shop
is important for a number of reasons.

Some business points, though:

* The customer is always right.  This was
  already said but is worth repeating.

* Undercommit but then overdeliver.  Be
  prepared to work 80 hours per week.  Take
  Beth on a vacation before you start because
  it might be a few years before you can do it
  again.

* Advertising, unless you do it yourself, can
  be expensive.   As your business grows, so
  will your advertising budget.  Keep it
  proportional.

* When you get to the point where you think
  you need to hire help, postpone the decision
  for a few more months.  If the work gets
  thin, you won't be able to afford paying an
  employee for sitting around.

* When the day comes when you need to hire
  help, find someone who is better than you
  are and be prepared to pay for it.

* Learn a candidate's work ethic before you
  extend a job offer.  Check references and
  backgrounds thorougly.

* Don't neglect to pay the IRS every month,
  for they can be worse than loan sharks.

Good luck if you decide to go ahead with it!

-Bob

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I'm ordering new pistons and I'd like to confirm my choices.
I'll be enlarging the displacement to 3.2L.
If I'm correct the size of the piston should be 92mm
I'm also going to bring down the compression to 8 to 1 in order to run
more boost.
Any corrective criticism or suggestions much appreciated.
Thanks
Arty 91 VR-4
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The stock bore is 91.1mm for all years.  93 mm will get you to 3.1L.  You'd
need to go to 94.9mm to get 3.2L which I am not sure is possible -- you'd
have to get in there and do some measuring.  Don't forget to take the
cylinder head design into consideration.

The stock compression ratio should already be 8:1.  Going much lower will
likely not get you much if anything.  I actually suspect it would be worse.
You'd have to run some calculations to get an idea if lowering CR below 8:1
is the right thing to do.  Most builders will say it is not.


Regards,

Barry

> -----Original Message-----
>
> I'm ordering new pistons and I'd like to confirm my choices.
> I'll be enlarging the displacement to 3.2L.
> If I'm correct the size of the piston should be 92mm
> I'm also going to bring down the compression to 8 to 1 in order to run
> more boost.
> Any corrective criticism or suggestions much appreciated.
> Thanks
> Arty 91 VR-4

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In addition to the exposed scandal...
About a week ago I got a message from Brian. He had a super deal for me (so he
thought) Lucky for me, I did not think his deal was good enough. His prices
were always high. Sure as heck, the money would have been down the drain. I
can't imagine that he did not know then, what we know now. Brian, must have
intended to just steel the money.
Arty 91 VR-4
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Hi group;

Brian's situation is not enviable. However, a court has not been convened nor a jury
selected...ie he has not been proven guilty.  Everything is alleged at this point, as
the whole picture is not really known, albeit some large chunks have been revealed.  He
has been cut from the list by admin for protection of members and for the protection of
the list admin itself. What Brian did or didn't do, and what he does or doesn't do to
rectify the situation is all a matter of conjector. Just remember what you print here in
the form of accusations is in print..it's not alleged or word of mouth. Better to let
this one rest. And, as a reminder, you do not have to rip list members off to be banned
from this list...just start flaming away or plain being a jerk, and see how long it
lasts.

Darc

Aso8@aol.com wrote:

> In addition to the exposed scandal...
> About a week ago I got a message from Brian. He had a super deal for me (so he
> thought) Lucky for me, I did not think his deal was good enough. His prices
> were always high. Sure as heck, the money would have been down the drain. I
> can't imagine that he did not know then, what we know now. Brian, must have
> intended to just steel the money.
> Arty 91 VR-4
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm



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Brad...

I think you've gotten some EXCELLENT advice from others so I won't repeat it
all, except for these things...

1. The VERY BEST advertising is word of mouth. Lots of people have cool web
sites, lots of people invest in radio or TV, but what gets me to use a shop
(or store) is when someone I trust says "this is the place I go, and they've
ALWAYS treated me right".

2. No one is perfect, everyone makes mistakes. When you do, make it up to
your customer. Give them something extra. There's two things that drives me
away from a shop. a) not meeting commitments (quality, cost, and/or
schedule) and b) the shop that does one of the aforementioned things and
then acts as if it's my problem, not his. The reason I go back to Gateway
Automotive is because John Boline quotes a price and time for the job and
sticks with it. He always calls me when the car is done, let's me know if
it's going to take longer (but doesn't charge beyond his quote). His work
has been excellent and he's willing to talk about what he's doing. To top it
off, he LOVES our cars. Note: The last three sentences are an example of #1.

3. There were a couple perspectives on clean versus messy shops. I'm a tidy
person. If a shop I use appears to be such a mess that the mechanic can't
find his tools, I wonder how he'll be able to find all the parts for my car.
In fact, I used a shop like this once (only once) and they left some parts
off my car. Bad news and it took another trip to get it right.

Looking forward...Chris

"Friends don't let friends ride with me"

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4

-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Bedell [mailto:bbedell@texas.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 6:06 PM
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Subject: Team3S: Possible new shop

Hey everyone,

I am in the process of building a business plan to open a shop here locally
in Austin. I would very much appreciate if you would take a few moments and
answer a few of the following questions.

<snip>
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Arty,

Yes he knew last month that he would be leaving
and the partnership had been dissolved.
He would not leave peacefully in November
and it was agreed he would leave this month.
Even after being locked out of Portmaster's
building he was still going up to the parking lot
in front of the building to accept additional funds
paid up front for jobs that would never be completed.
My motor sat in a crate since July and was never touched
even though since Sept I had been receiving false reports
and updates that machine work, disassembly etc had been
completed when in fact my motor had never been removed
from the crate I had custom built to ship the motor to California.
There have been several crimes committed included fraud and embezzlement.
This is by far the worst I have ever been burned even if I added
up all the money I've ever lost.  He would say or promise
anything in order to get money paid up front - then spend the
money for his own personal desires.  He should be in prison
for the crimes he has committed.

- tds

---------------------------------------------------------------------
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Aso8@aol.com <Aso8@aol.com>
    To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
    Cc: Aso8@aol.com <Aso8@aol.com>
    Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 10:02 AM
    Subject: Team3S: Brians fall from grace


    In addition to the exposed scandal...
    About a week ago I got a message from Brian. He had a super deal for me
(so he
    thought) Lucky for me, I did not think his deal was good enough. His
prices
    were always high. Sure as heck, the money would have been down the
drain. I
    can't imagine that he did not know then, what we know now. Brian, must
have
    intended to just steel the money.
    Arty 91 VR-4
    For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm


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Would it help if I faxed you copies of my
payments made in June totaling THOUSANDS
of dollars along with a current picture and analysis
of my motor with the same 2 toasted pistons?
The owner of Portmasters has confirmed what
has already been discussed and MUCH more that
I have not revealed.  I have chosen to speak of only
what has happened to me personally but there is
clear evidence and documentation of MANY other
criminal offenses that have been committed.
Perhaps you need to be swindled out of a few
thousand yourself to understand?

- tds

-------------------------------------------------------
    -----Original Message-----
    From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca <wce@bc.sympatico.ca>
    To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
    Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 10:20 AM
    Subject: Re: Team3S: Brians fall from grace


    Hi group;

    Brian's situation is not enviable. However, a court has not been
convened nor a jury
    selected...ie he has not been proven guilty.  Everything is alleged at
this point, as
    the whole picture is not really known, albeit some large chunks have
been revealed.  He
    has been cut from the list by admin for protection of members and for
the protection of
    the list admin itself. What Brian did or didn't do, and what he does or
doesn't do to
    rectify the situation is all a matter of conjector. Just remember what
you print here in
    the form of accusations is in print..it's not alleged or word of mouth.
Better to let
    this one rest. And, as a reminder, you do not have to rip list members
off to be banned
    from this list...just start flaming away or plain being a jerk, and see
how long it
    lasts.

    Darc



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Todd...

I believe Darcy's point is that we (the list members) are neither the judge
nor jury and cannot help you recover any of the damages you may be seeking.
I believe Bob Forrest did the right thing in removing Brian from the list,
but debating the issues on the list is unproductive and potentially
damaging.

I am truly sorry that you were burnt. I suggest any discussions be taken
offline again, as you did with your first e-mail.

Looking forward...Chris

"Friends don't let friends ride with me"

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd D Shelton [mailto:tds@brightok.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 1998 8:40 AM
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brians fall from grace


Would it help if I faxed you copies of my
payments made in June totaling THOUSANDS
of dollars along with a current picture and analysis
of my motor with the same 2 toasted pistons?
<snip>

- tds

-------------------------------------------------------
    -----Original Message-----
    From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca <wce@bc.sympatico.ca>
    To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
    Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 10:20 AM
    Subject: Re: Team3S: Brians fall from grace


    Hi group;

    Brian's situation is not enviable. However, a court has not been
convened nor a jury
    selected...ie he has not been proven guilty.  <snip>

    Darc

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Agreed - your point is taken
and I will refrain from even responding
to the messages posted on this list concerning
the matter as I have not posted any original
threads to the List(s) regarding the situation.

- tds

OBSTEALTH - Mine is exactly where it was
last summer :)

-----------------------------------------------------
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
    To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com' <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
    Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 10:59 AM
    Subject: RE: Team3S: Brians fall from grace


    Todd...


    I am truly sorry that you were burnt. I suggest any discussions be taken
    offline again, as you did with your first e-mail.



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You may wish to speak for yourself on this point since
I have received outstanding legal references
and such from several members and it's
very much appreciated.

- tds

StealthRTTT with phantom 3.5 liter 0 HP powerplant
-----------------------------------------------------------
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
    To: 'stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com' <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
    Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 10:59 AM
    Subject: RE: Team3S: Brians fall from grace


    Todd...

    I believe Darcy's point is that we (the list members) are neither the
judge
    nor jury and cannot help you recover any of the damages you may be
seeking.


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No arguement Todd. Your position is even less enviable than Brian's...mmm...no, not!! .
When things turn to shit like this, it's hard not to want to lynch someone...preferably
the guy responsible. Be aware, however,  that any sentient being who subscribes here,
has been dialed in,  not only through what has been said, but what has been left
unsaid,or what has been said on side channels (the latter two being volumnes). I think
you have a legion of unseen friends here, so do not dispair.

Darc

"May they who do ill to their comrades, inherit the consequences of their
actions"...20th Century Curse.

Todd D Shelton wrote:

> Would it help if I faxed you copies of my
> payments made in June totaling THOUSANDS
> of dollars along with a current picture and analysis
> of my motor with the same 2 toasted pistons?
> The owner of Portmasters has confirmed what
> has already been discussed and MUCH more that
> I have not revealed.  I have chosen to speak of only
> what has happened to me personally but there is
> clear evidence and documentation of MANY other
> criminal offenses that have been committed.
> Perhaps you need to be swindled out of a few
> thousand yourself to understand?
>
> - tds
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca <wce@bc.sympatico.ca>
>     To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
>     Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 10:20 AM
>     Subject: Re: Team3S: Brians fall from grace
>
>     Hi group;
>
>     Brian's situation is not enviable. However, a court has not been
> convened nor a jury
>     selected...ie he has not been proven guilty.  Everything is alleged at
> this point, as
>     the whole picture is not really known, albeit some large chunks have
> been revealed.  He
>     has been cut from the list by admin for protection of members and for
> the protection of
>     the list admin itself. What Brian did or didn't do, and what he does or
> doesn't do to
>     rectify the situation is all a matter of conjector. Just remember what
> you print here in
>     the form of accusations is in print..it's not alleged or word of mouth.
> Better to let
>     this one rest. And, as a reminder, you do not have to rip list members
> off to be banned
>     from this list...just start flaming away or plain being a jerk, and see
> how long it
>     lasts.
>
>     Darc
>
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>>>PLEASE, to protect Todd and Roger and others, take any further discussion
of this to PRIVATE emails, although subsequent developments may be posted in
way of warning...  Todd and Roger may choose to share updates, but we should
all be careful to keep discussions to ourselves.  There may be questions of
legal liability here, and we don't want to jeopardize any future actions.
If no one objects, I'll be editing out any references to these matters from
the digests, which are available for public view (unless someone has a
better idea for password access, etc).  According to our rules, private
emails should not be published either, so I'll just summarize what has
transpired.  If there are questions, feel free to email any of the admins
privately.  Thanks.<<<


Yesterday, I emailed Brian at GT Alley with a request for immediate
clarification on how he intended to handle what he owed to Todd and Roger.
I received a reply from him explaining his trials and tribulations with
Charles Hupp, who he claims is/was his partner, that he is out of money and
has no access to Todd's engine or Roger's parts.  The Team3S admins
conferred and GT Alley was removed from the list, as per our rules.  We sent
him a letter explaining that he had been removed because he had wronged at
least two of our subscribers, and that we would all be wary of the GT Alley
name and Charlie Hupp and Brian LaFuente until full restitution was made.

That ends our involvement.  Hopefully, Todd and Roger will keep us informed.


Bob Forrest
Admin, Team3S


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Sure is...

Welcome RPM... We just don't make any noise unless there's something to say
about our cars...  If you want to catch up, there are a ton of archives on
our temp web page (URL below).

Glad to have you with us!

Forrest

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>  If you need some practice, I'd be glad to volunteer! --
>-Jeff Crabtree
>    '91 Stealth R/T Turbo(#499)
>          '93 Wrangler 4.0L Sport

Me too.  I would love to take my car to s shop that knows MY car.  If your
gunna do well though you'll have to do all cars ... but that doesn't mean
you can't be a Well Know Tuner of Mits and Toyota's.

One other tip... Don't rag on the cars people bring in.  Have the owner
take you for a preformance test drive. Makes him fell better and the
liabilty off you.




93 VR-4
# 0007
Tampa/Orlando FL

"He who laughs last ... thinks slowest"

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Is there any possibility that the shifters in the 3k is a possible cause of
some of the trany failures? I've not been real confident in the feel of the
engagement of the shifter in my 96 VR4, especially in 3rd where if you
exert
a small amount of rearward pressure, you can feel the gears not fully
engaged. It almost wants to pop out of gear. Have you fooled with shifter
adjustment in your cars to any point?
Ron




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How about guaranteed work?  I try to avoid the dealer like the plague,
but the one thing they DO offer is a limited warantee, usually a
year/10,000 miles.  When you're talking about the timing belt, clutch,
brakes, or any other major work, I usually think twice before going to
an independent shop for just this reason.  Of course in the case of GT
Alley, had they done any work to my car, a warantee woulnd't mean
anything now that they're defunct...

Also, I second the notion of a good web page (with PRICES) and would add
responsive Email feedback (I'm not going to call the States from
Germany) and fast shipping to the list.

Good luck!
-Jim
--
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Brad,

You are certainly getting a wealth of useful advice.  I have
only a couple small suggestions to add:

1)  Establish a solid presence at the local import track events.
In other words, put together some fast cars that agree to be
sponsored by your shop.  This always gains my respect.  It
will also contribute to the "word-of-mouth" effect, as well as
make for good advertising material.

2)  Set up a bulletin board for used parts.  Just make sure to
have a disclaimer for any liability for sales/trades made between
customers.

3)  One word:  Cleanandopenparkingspace.  There are a couple
shops that I ~never~ go to because the parking is a joke.

Good luck!

--Errin Humphrey

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Yes!  I have the same unsure feeling in mine.  I spent some time looking at
it the other day and came to the realization that the shift knob ends up in
the same position in 4th as it is in 2nd.  When I put it in 4th, the knob
returns to the 2nd gear position.  No wonder I have difficulty getting into
4th during more "spirited" driving!  The same thing, to a lesser extent, is
true with 1st and 3rd.  A shorter throw would exacerbate the problem.  I'm
thinking about going back to the stock shifter.

I have not fooled with the shifter adjustment, although there *are* a couple
of turnbuckles that allow you to adjust the overall length of the cables.

-Bob

> Is there any possibility that the shifters in the 3k is a
possible cause of some of the trany failures? I've not been real confident
in the feel of the engagement of the shifter in my 96 VR4, especially in 3rd
where if you exert a small amount of rearward pressure, you can feel the
gears not fully engaged. It almost wants to pop out of gear. Have you fooled
with shifter adjustment in your cars to any point?

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Bob, Ron, et all;

Perhaps feedback to Chrysler or Getrag might be in order on this. I have noticed less
than optimal shifting with mine from the outset, but assumed it was standard without
questioning possible long term effects. Jack, do you still have an avenue with Getrag to
send feedback??

Darc

Bob Fontana wrote:

> Yes!  I have the same unsure feeling in mine.  I spent some time looking at
> it the other day and came to the realization that the shift knob ends up in
> the same position in 4th as it is in 2nd.  When I put it in 4th, the knob
> returns to the 2nd gear position.  No wonder I have difficulty getting into
> 4th during more "spirited" driving!  The same thing, to a lesser extent, is
> true with 1st and 3rd.  A shorter throw would exacerbate the problem.  I'm
> thinking about going back to the stock shifter.
>
> I have not fooled with the shifter adjustment, although there *are* a couple
> of turnbuckles that allow you to adjust the overall length of the cables.
>
> -Bob
>
> > Is there any possibility that the shifters in the 3k is a
> possible cause of some of the trany failures? I've not been real confident
> in the feel of the engagement of the shifter in my 96 VR4, especially in 3rd
> where if you exert a small amount of rearward pressure, you can feel the
> gears not fully engaged. It almost wants to pop out of gear. Have you fooled
> with shifter adjustment in your cars to any point?
>
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Quick question...

My headlights are noticably dimmer at idle.  If I blip the throttle,
they brighten up and then gradually dim back down.  The car still turns
over nice and strong, but I can't help but wonder if my original 1994
battery is on its last legs.  I'm also wondering how much of a role the
battery plays at high-rpm driving.  If my battery is weak, is it causing
weak spark and robbing the engine of power?  This was the case on my old
crotch rocket and I'm curious if the same is true in this case.
Finally, batteries were discussed in some recent posts.  I'd appreciate
suggestions on what I should look into if it is in fact time to replace
mine.  Thanx!

-Jim

P.S.- The "black ice" is absolutely TERRIBLE around here.  Time to take
it easy for a while...
--
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A lot of good points have already been mentioned, I figure I'll toss out
another idea or two, along with some honest opinions on my two favorite
shops:

- What draws me is proof that the shop *knows* my car. I go to Extreme
Motorsprts because they're one of the two best DSM tuners in the country,
and they also specialize in the 3000GT which is a similar car. I like Nexus
becuase I've seen Mike Ma's project VR-4 there. So if a customer comes in
with a 3S or DSM, show them your car - your knowledge of the car and
excitement for it will help build trust with the customer. Similarly, if
someone brings you an MR2, have a notebook of pics of your old MR2 and its
mods to show them.


- The only people I want working on my car are ones who *care* about it. I'm
sure the mechanics at Extreme Motorsports are much more experienced and
knowledgable than the guys at Nexus Motorsports. But I still prefer taking
my car to Nexus because they care about my vehicle and treat it right. At
Extreme, they've got a couple guys who are way overzealous with the airgun,
if you know what I mean.


- When you're starting up a shop, offer people amazing deals. Work for free
if necessary. Your first couple of clients will be the most important in
spreading the word around that your shop even exists. I think Chien did an
amazing job getting Nexus off the ground - he worked with several local
people off the starnet list, offerring amazing prices. He showed up at the
Gathering with K&N's at a price so low he sold a massive pile of them in
minutes. And people spread the word for him very quickly. When he first
opened his doors, business was slow, because few people knew about his shop.
But he offered some great deals to get the word out, and within months, he
was booked solid.


- Organize events. Hold a Texas Gathering at your shop. Work with local
clubs and organizations. Organize trips to dragstrips and speedways.
Promote, promote, promote. The first big hurdle is to get the word out that
you exist. Once people know you've got a shop, they'll start checking you
out - the second step is convincing them of your quality.


Best of luck!

     -Ed
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>
>
> My headlights are noticably dimmer at idle.  If I blip the throttle,
> they brighten up and then gradually dim back down.  The car still turns
> over nice and strong, but I can't help but wonder if my original 1994
> battery is on its last legs.

Jim, this sounds as if it might be alternator rather than battery. My battery just
wouldn't hold much of a charge when it was on it's last legs, and if I let the car sit a
few days, it wouldn't be able to turn it over. In other vehicles, I have found that
dimming of headlights usually involved the charging system (alternator) which in turn
led to battery failure/discarge. Have that checked as well. As for batteries...I went
with the NASCAR heavy duty sucker (heavier plates etc) and so far it has been absolutely
great...made for race cars!

Best

Darc

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My 2 HP:

I do not mind paying a premium hourly rate if the quality and expertise
deserve it.  However, I expect that that expertise will allow the job to
be done quicker than the "book" estimate and with higher quality.  One
thing I can't stand is getting a book quote for X hours, they spend X/2
hours performing the job, but they still bill me for X hours.  I'd
rather pay a higher hourly rate for actual hours worked than pay any
rate for hours not actually worked. I don't like getting reamed.  I
respect fairness and honesty above all else.  A close second for me is
quality.
--

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General Atomics
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Jim, maybe you remember that my 1993 battery just died two weeks ago. The lights
never got dimmed but it was much harder to get the car running from day to day
(over 3 days until 0 !). The battery was charged by 3/4 but making a test with
80Amps load the voltage dropped below 6 Volts ... eof ! My dealer did the test
and since I have the new Fortis batt (damn expensive here !) I've no problems
anymore ;-)

> P.S.- The "black ice" is absolutely TERRIBLE around here.  Time to take
> it easy for a while...

Don't tell me this ... AWD rules ... but in turns, whooo !

Cheers, Roger

-----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)


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Hi,

> > P.S.- The "black ice" is absolutely TERRIBLE around here.  Time to take
> > it easy for a while...
>
> Don't tell me this ... AWD rules ... but in turns, whooo !

What do you mean by that Roger?  AWD is good on ice?

I was in New Jersey a couple of winters ago.  I had Goodyear GSC 275x40x17
tires.  They absolutely STUNK on snow and ice.  Even at 10 MPH, if I lightly
applied the brakes, the car would slide for 50 or 60 yards.  Lucky I didn't
crash into anything or end up in the ditch.  I assume that I needed snow
radials?  Driving lessons?

-Bob

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Jim...

My experience has been that dim lights at idle (that come back up under
throttle) is related to the battery. It can also be related to the charging
system, but that should be less likely. One way is to check the voltage
going to the battery. Should be at least 13.5 vdc. Another way is the old
fashioned acid tester that you can buy at most parts stores for a couple
bucks. Most effective is a diagnostic check by a battery shop. The can tell
you if it's the plates, the electrolyte, or the charging system.

BTW...the FIRST thing I do is pull the cables and clean the terminals. You'd
be surprised how many times the problem is caused by corrosion between the
two surfaces.

Now, as for the battery, I just put in a Predator dry cell battery (thanks
to Hau). It weighs less than 10 pounds, takes up less than half the space of
the stock battery and is maintenance free. If you need some extra real
estate under the hood, think about this option.

Looking forward...Chris

"Friends don't let friends ride with me"

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4 

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthews [mailto:matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de]
Sent: Friday, December 18, 1998 10:16 AM
To: Team 3S
Subject: Team3S: battery

Quick question...

My headlights are noticably dimmer at idle.  If I blip the throttle,
they brighten up and then gradually dim back down.  The car still turns
over nice and strong, but I can't help but wonder if my original 1994
battery is on its last legs.  I'm also wondering how much of a role the
battery plays at high-rpm driving.  If my battery is weak, is it causing
weak spark and robbing the engine of power?  This was the case on my old
crotch rocket and I'm curious if the same is true in this case.
Finally, batteries were discussed in some recent posts.  I'd appreciate
suggestions on what I should look into if it is in fact time to replace
mine.  Thanx!

-Jim
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Jim, maybe you remember that my 1993 battery just died two weeks ago. The lights
never got dimmed but it was much harder to get the car running from day to day
(over 3 days until 0 !). The battery was charged by 3/4 but making a test with
80Amps load the voltage dropped below 6 Volts ... eof ! My dealer did the test
and since I have the new Fortis batt (damn expensive here !) I've no problems
anymore ;-)

> P.S.- The "black ice" is absolutely TERRIBLE around here.  Time to take
> it easy for a while...

Don't tell me this ... AWD rules ... but in turns, whooo !

Cheers, Roger

-----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)


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I need a used VPC head unit.  Actually, I just need the main circuit board
if that's all you have.  I was playing around with mine and accidentally
toasted it.

Please RTP.

-Bob

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Your problem wasn't your driving. It was your tires. Wide tires are mostly useless on ice
and snow. You need a small contact patch to concentrate the mass of your car for
traction. I use 225/45's in the winter and would go to 205's if I could get reasonable
wheels.

275's I would characterize as "Skiis".

Bill
91 TT "Old Red" -- Just been driven in this year's first icy weather today!

On 18 Dec 98, at 16:21, Bob Fontana wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > > P.S.- The "black ice" is absolutely TERRIBLE around here.  Time to
> > > take it easy for a while...
> >
> > Don't tell me this ... AWD rules ... but in turns, whooo !
>
> What do you mean by that Roger?  AWD is good on ice?
>
> I was in New Jersey a couple of winters ago.  I had Goodyear GSC 275x40x17
> tires.  They absolutely STUNK on snow and ice.  Even at 10 MPH, if I
> lightly applied the brakes, the car would slide for 50 or 60 yards.  Lucky
> I didn't crash into anything or end up in the ditch.  I assume that I
> needed snow radials?  Driving lessons?
>
> -Bob

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Howdy folks...

This list, which we've called Team3S, was formed by seven of us who wanted a
list devoted to technical discussions about Mitsubishi 3000GTs and Dodge
Stealths. There's been some question about whether this is an "open" or
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those questions are "open" and "no", respectively.

However, there is a list of rules which were developed by the seven of us.
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Hey Jim;

I refected a bit more on the battery question, and am inclined to agree with Chris, and
back off on my initial tact. If the alternator is going it will start to impact on
driving at higher rpm's as well, showing a drain on the battery particulary with night
driving. . It will start showing trouble, however, as you described, at low rpm's.

I'd still check the alternator (and the clean the battery connections), as well as
insure you have a good ground. When my battery  went, it was showing a green charged
"eye", as if it was still good, but would not hold a charge if the car sat two or three
days. This feature is unreliable on the newer batteries.

Darc

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> > Don't tell me this ... AWD rules ... but in turns, whooo !
>
> What do you mean by that Roger?  AWD is good on ice?
>
> I was in New Jersey a couple of winters ago.  I had Goodyear GSC 275x40x17
> tires.  They absolutely STUNK on snow and ice.  Even at 10 MPH, if I lightly
> applied the brakes, the car would slide for 50 or 60 yards.  Lucky I didn't
> crash into anything or end up in the ditch.  I assume that I needed snow
> radials?  Driving lessons?

I just came home from Munich and had to drive through the forest close to my
hometown. Infront of me was a car only doing about 50km/h where I normally drive
around 100km/h. I then started to overtake him and when I hit the gas I felt how
the rear started to swing out. But very fast the power was transfered and I felt
the grip comming back from the front. Of course I had to steer against the way
the car acted but it was more funny than dangerous. I have the german snow
radials from Continental on the stock wheels (235/45-17). On normal streets the
understeer into a curve and oversteering in the curve is much more noticeable
and I always have to change my driving style in winter (sure, hehe). On icey
streets they are very good as it seems that the threads are well designed. Also
on snow the traction is ok for this huge winter-tire size (original made for
Porsche, M3 and Mercedes AMG), much better than the Uniroyals I had before.
Alsdo hydroplaning is not that critical as it was with earlier tires.

For now I don't speak of braking :)

I took both my cars to the driving school this year where we have a special
gliding street. With the Camaro I had soooo much trouble to make the course
savely without hitting an orange plastic thing (ahem, don't know the name ?). We
have two different gliding streets, one is bone flat and the other is a curve
and hangs out only a few degrees. The Z28 immediatly flipped out at the rear and
the oversteer was very hard to be controlled. Even on the flat street the Z
always tended to brake out in the rear. Of course, the big tourque, weight and
RWD where a problem here. On the curve course it was not to bad as the car only
broke loose to one side and I could manage the situation savely. I had to use
this experince on the Autobahn with 10cm of fresh snow and frozen bridge. It
safed the life of the Camaro for sure !

The 3k handeld much better and was very neutral on the flat course. When I made
a fast reaction with the steering wheel the car immediatly turned the back to
the the other side. Stepping slightly onto the gas with steering only a little
(very important !) to the other side brought me back to the desired line. Also a
Cherokee and a Range Rover made their job very good too. The badiest car was ...
a F355. With its concept the car has it's turning bas in the middle of the car
and once it runned out of the line the driver had no chance to get it back. It
was funny to see a Ferrary spinning 4 times. Also a Subaru AWD had problems as
it seemed that his AWD was locked in some way. We increased speed more and more
to see where the car started to change its behaivour and the 3K started to
understeer very quick with only a little more speed. But with only a little
steering the wheels where able to have some of the grip that lasted without
going into gliding. When the front went off, we had to play with the clutch and
the brake to get it back. Nedless to say that I turned many times too until I
managed it more or less. On the course with the turn. The 3K acted the same way.
When I was too fast, the car understeered havely and I was able to get it back
by pressing the clutch and trying to brake and steering into the curve. When I
was slow and hit the gas ... the whole car went out the track. No understeer as
with FWD and no oversteer as with RWD, just the whole car runned sideways out.
This was interesting as I expected that the 55% on the rear will give me some
oversteer tha I can handle. No way. When an AWD car brakes loose in the front
and the rear ... just hit the brakes. I then tried to press the clutch and
giving more steer but the front wheels glided and I was not of much luck. The M3
and the F355 as well the Jag (with traction control) made it good. Me too, but
it took much longer :)

Braking is another story. The winter tires are definitely better on the cold
streets as they stay softer on the lower temperatures. On wet/icey streets as
well as on snow. But if the conditions are bad (and they can be very quick in or
after one curve) then only hitting the brakes and steering a little is the way
that works. If steering too much the front wheels start to glide with or without
ABS (I pulled the fuse to check out). The rule is trying to keep the fronts
having always some grip (there's always a little left). Then the ABS can do it's
work good and you'll be somewhat safer as you'll be able to go away from
trouble. In braking, the weight of the cars and the condition of the tires are
very important. The worst car was a Mustang with somewhat worn summer tires, the
best car was an older BMW 318i that was very controllable even without ABS, no
traction control. But he had small, good winter tires with a good tread on the
shoulder. We gave the driver a big thumbs up !

The rule is to have the appropriate tires for the right season. But this all
does not help if your too fast. As you said 10mph can be too fast. I was in 2nd
gear at 1600 and the car just wanted to show me the opposite street. For the
experience it's very good to have this tested on a small course with gliding
streets and curve-distance measuring with the help of an expert. I highly
recommend such classes for EVERY driver !

Last but not least a short story about the woman that drove a Saab convertible.
"It MUST handle good on snow as it comes from nothern Europe" she said in the
morning. "My car can't do this..." she said 2hs later. The instructor took her
car drove through the course like an animal and came back. The lady had no more
blood in her face looked at the car with almost burnt tires and said "Never
treat my car like this".... But she did too at the end of the day :)

Take care and drive safe,
Roger

-----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
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Is  this the Exide one?????



On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 wce@bc.sympatico.ca wrote:

>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My headlights are noticably dimmer at idle.  If I blip the throttle,
>>> they brighten up and then gradually dim back down.  The car still turns
>>> over nice and strong, but I can't help but wonder if my original 1994
>>> battery is on its last legs.
>>
>>Jim, this sounds as if it might be alternator rather than battery. My battery just
>>wouldn't hold much of a charge when it was on it's last legs, and if I let the car sit a
>>few days, it wouldn't be able to turn it over. In other vehicles, I have found that
>>dimming of headlights usually involved the charging system (alternator) which in turn
>>led to battery failure/discarge. Have that checked as well. As for batteries...I went
>>with the NASCAR heavy duty sucker (heavier plates etc) and so far it has been absolutely
>>great...made for race cars!
>>
>>Best
>>
>>Darc
>>
>>For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>>


      Frank
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Frank;

Yep, it's Excide ... EXIDE NASCAR SELECT 835...race proven, 84 month total warranty, 2 year
free replacement. Thus far, a real good battery....but then they all seem great when new. If I
have any problems I will post on it, but I don't anticipate any with the developement and
testing that was done on it.

Best

Darc

92 TT Stealth  40 k kms,  #145

JEEPers wrote:

> Is  this the Exide one?????
>
> On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 wce@bc.sympatico.ca wrote:
>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> My headlights are noticably dimmer at idle.  If I blip the throttle,
> >>> they brighten up and then gradually dim back down.  The car still turns
> >>> over nice and strong, but I can't help but wonder if my original 1994
> >>> battery is on its last legs.
> >>
> >>Jim, this sounds as if it might be alternator rather than battery. My battery just
> >>wouldn't hold much of a charge when it was on it's last legs, and if I let the car sit a
> >>few days, it wouldn't be able to turn it over. In other vehicles, I have found that
> >>dimming of headlights usually involved the charging system (alternator) which in turn
> >>led to battery failure/discarge. Have that checked as well. As for batteries...I went
> >>with the NASCAR heavy duty sucker (heavier plates etc) and so far it has been absolutely
> >>great...made for race cars!
> >>
> >>Best
> >>
> >>Darc
> >>
> >>For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
> >>
>
>                                                       Frank
>                                                     -JEEPers-
>                                                  "Kung-Fu Forrest"
>
>         MY WEB PAGE IS UP AT http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Canyon/6045/
>
>         "Jeep is America's only real sports car"     Mr. Enzo Ferrari
>
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Yo Team

The very best of the season to all you Stealthaholics out there. Try
not to mix spirits and driving, and if you do, don't drive.

Darc

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I had "blew apart" 2 Ac-Delco battery on my mom's Cherokee.  The acid
started leaking out the side terminal even though the Jeep uses top
posts.  I plan to switch to the Exide and get a new alternator since I
already had the starter changed on my momo's cherokee. 

ob 3KGT: The Ac-Delco on my bro's VR-4 is still good and running strong.



On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 wce@bc.sympatico.ca wrote:

>>Frank;
>>
>>Yep, it's Excide ... EXIDE NASCAR SELECT 835...race proven, 84 month total warranty, 2 year
>>free replacement. Thus far, a real good battery....but then they all seem great when new. If I
>>have any problems I will post on it, but I don't anticipate any with the developement and
>>testing that was done on it.
>>
>>Best
>>
>>Darc
>>
>>92 TT Stealth  40 k kms,  #145
>>
>>JEEPers wrote:
>>
>>> Is  this the Exide one?????
>>>
>>> On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 wce@bc.sympatico.ca wrote:
>>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> My headlights are noticably dimmer at idle.  If I blip the throttle,
>>> >>> they brighten up and then gradually dim back down.  The car still turns
>>> >>> over nice and strong, but I can't help but wonder if my original 1994
>>> >>> battery is on its last legs.
>>> >>
>>> >>Jim, this sounds as if it might be alternator rather than battery. My battery just
>>> >>wouldn't hold much of a charge when it was on it's last legs, and if I let the car sit a
>>> >>few days, it wouldn't be able to turn it over. In other vehicles, I have found that
>>> >>dimming of headlights usually involved the charging system (alternator) which in turn
>>> >>led to battery failure/discarge. Have that checked as well. As for batteries...I went
>>> >>with the NASCAR heavy duty sucker (heavier plates etc) and so far it has been absolutely
>>> >>great...made for race cars!
>>> >>
>>> >>Best
>>> >>
>>> >>Darc
>>> >>
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> I need a used VPC head unit.  Actually, I just need the main circuit board
> if that's all you have.  I was playing around with mine and accidentally
> toasted it.

Bob, I don't have any board around but I have the VPC control unit lying around
open if you'd like to compare anything that mybe needs to be replaced.

Sorry, this is maybe not of much help.

Roger

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I'm still in the GT &%ç research thing and nearly fall over the fuel pump I got
from Brian. It is a Nippon Denso pump with the description 5T11 and the number
195130-1020.

Can someone please verify what kind of pump this is and how much it flows ?

Thanks in advance,
Roger

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Since I got the car in Feb94 (93 model) I ran only synthetics in the car. At the
beginning 10W-40, then 5W-40 and now 5W-40 mixed with 10W-60. Also in the
beginning I used some snake oil like Slick 50 and Ceramica but stopped after
discussions as well as it was just too expensive.

As my car got the slight rebuild, I checked many parts out :

The oil lines where in perfect conditions and there was no sign of any
cristalized oil visible.

The cylinder walls looked very good and the mechanic was surprised even after 3
of the pistons broke. Very, very low wear for 65k.

Same ot the heads. There was no need to grind them as measurment showed an
absolutely plain surface.

The cams also show less wear then expected and after cleaning the intake and the
valves also these parts showed lesser wear than expected.

I run the bleeder valve with 0.75bars of boost peak (around 350hp dynoed) since
June 1994 and therefore the car was used over the specs it was built for some
years. This does not lead me into the conclusion that snake oils helped in any
way but it says that they don't hurt as well. The broken pistons where due to my
ignorance and have nothing to to with this.

Back to the oil. I'm sure using very good quality oil and changing it every
5000-7500km is the key to the good condition the parts are in. Measuring the oil
temp showed up to 106°C on the dyno. Normal use showed around 98°C and less but
I expect higher temps when driving for a long time on the german autobahn
(gulp). The cars came with Castrol 10W-40 Synthetics and I always stayed with it
as I never had any problem. As the synths came down in price  I went to 5W-40
due to the many cold-starts I had during the winter times. Also null problemos.
About 1 year ago I went to the Mobil 0W-40 for the best cold start protection
but then I often ran into getting the oil-level light (just above the ASC ON
light) on the autobahn. Especially on speeds over 150mph as the streets went up
the hill the light came on. I immediatly lifted the throttle and the light went
off. Checking the warm oil level showed about 1/2 to 3/4 of the range between
the marks then. I went back to Castrol 5W-40 and never got this problem again
... until my compression problem started to begin worse.

Before the rebuild I ran the car over it's limit and killed three pistons and at
least 4 rings. Some pressure went down to the crankcase due to this and caused
the oil cap to leak as well as the oil was pressed into the intake through the
crankcase ventilation. This then caused alot oil deposits in the intercollers
and it's piping. Also the idle stepper motor got totally clogged as well as the
intake valves due to the damn oil. Now after the rebuild there's still some oil
around but, luckily, there's no oil steam comming out the BOV anymore (uff,
turbos are ok). As this happend the oil level light came on very often at speeds
over 130mph so I decided not to go higher then until the problem got fixed.

BTW, during the rebuild we also exchanged the oil level switch to be sure
everything is alright. As I went to Germany last week I speeded up to around
150mph as the damn light came on again. I checked the oil level the night before
and the level was on 3/4 of the range so I expected no problem there. As I drove
home on friday the light came on at lower speeds until it appeared at 140km/h
(crusing speed here). I went into the next gas station and got a bottle just to
be sure I have enough oil in the pan. I let the car idle for 2 minutes and then
checked the oil level. Nothing, nada, niente, empty ! I've checked what I could
see through the oil cap hole and saw enough (damn hot) oil around. I filled the
litre in and got close to the 3/4 mark on the stick ! No light the rest of the
way.

Yesterday, I made some miles and also speeded up a hill. Tataaaa, the light came
on again. I went home and filled up with 10W-60 Racing oil from Castrol. This
because the mechanic at Digit Power told me earlier that this is the fluid they
highly recommend for our high temp cars... espcially when the power is cranked
up. For winter use it's good to have a good cold start oil and that's why I
decided to "mix" the stuff. I went for a ride, heated the engine up as good as
possible and made the hill tests. No problem since then :)

Well, the question arises if the oil-level switch also does anything else than
measure the oil level. I don't think it is related to the oil temperature but
who knows. Also I doubt that it is related to the oil pressure as the meter
always showed a higher but good pressure on the autobahn. For me, my experiences
are that oils with 0W-40 are somewhat too thin for our cars when getting into
hard high temp conditions. Higher rated oils are much better for our cars but
not so great for winter conditions.

Finally, a wide range seems to be better, say 5W-50 or so (I think Mobil 1 has
one) but I'll use the 10W-60 in the summer and mix it with the 5W-40 in the
winter as Castrol does not have a high range fluid. For me it currently works
good and it seems that the new stuff in the engine lowered the ticking sound as
well.

Regards to all,
Roger

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Roger,

I suggest contacting Road Race Engineering (RRE) at
mailto:sales@roadraceengineering.com specifying the part number and color of
the cap on the pump.  Sometimes they are slow at responding so bug them a
little.


Regards,

Barry


> -----Original Message-----
>
> I'm still in the GT &%ç research thing and nearly fall over the
> fuel pump I got
> from Brian. It is a Nippon Denso pump with the description 5T11
> and the number
> 195130-1020.
>
> Can someone please verify what kind of pump this is and how much
> it flows ?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Roger
>
> -----------------------
> Roger Gerl, Switzerland

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-----Original Message-----
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<snip>
Regards to all,
Roger
=================================
Roger...

The subject line of your e-mail indicates a survey, which is a good idea.
I'll collect the data and republish to the group after two weeks. Anyone
interested in participating is welcome. Here's the questions I propose, just
replace my data with yours:

1. Vehicle: 1995 VR4
2. Oil weight: 5-50w
3. Oil brand: Castrol Syntec (synthetic)
4. Filter brand: OEM
5. Additives: None
6. Change frequency: Every 3K miles or six months
7. Observations: I changed from fossil oil to synthetic when
I purchased the car 18 months ago. Aside from what I believe is a "normal"
lifter tick (goes away at any rpm above 1500), I've had no problems. I've
tried a number of additives over the years, and can't say I've noticed any
improvement or degradation in performance. I will point out, that with old
V8 beaters, STP oil treatment adds enough extra viscosity to prevent oil
slipping around worn rings and valves (symptom - blue smoke out the
exhaust). I've never had the oil light come on (as Roger described), but my
opportunities to drive above 100mph are limited.

Looking forward...Chris

"Friends don't let friends ride with me"

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4
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> Chris...submission
>
> 1. Vehicle:             1992 Stealth TT
> 2. Oil weight:          10-30w
> 3. Oil brand:           Mobil 1 (synthetic)
> 4. Filter brand:        Mitsu, Fram, etc.
> 5. Additives:           None now (Slick 50 for 4 changes)
> 6. Change frequency:    Every 3K miles or six months
> 7. Observations:                Synthetic Mobil 1 is used exclusively, (I was informed
> the initial breakin period of 1000 kms  was done on Quaker fossil.) No problems noted
> with exception of standard ticking, which has been alleviated for some time by using
> an oil flush (Gunk) at last oil change. Little opportunity exists here to drive at
> high speeds for any lenght of time. Were that availed perhaps a 5-50 or 5-60 might be
> the choice I would option. 10-30, however has been just fine, with 5-30 used if winter
> is colder than normal, here on the mild west coast. Oh, just over 40,000 kms on the
> car.

Darcy

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Thanks Chris .)

> 1. Vehicle:             1993 VR4 (Euro Version)
> 2. Oil weight:          5W-40 / 10W-60
> 3. Oil brand:           Castrol RS (synthetic)
> 4. Filter brand:        Mitsu
> 5. Additives:           none now (Slick 50, Ceramica in the first 2 years)
> 6. Change frequency:    Every 5K - 7.5k km
> 7. Observations:       

> Car came with 10W-40 from Castrol and I used over the years until 5W-40 came
> out. I also used Slick 50 and Ceramica snake oil and I cannot say if it did
> anything good. At least it did nothing bad as the parts looked very good
> when inspected during the rebuild. No deposits nor any expected wear.
> Had the oil light comming on with 0W-40 Mobil 1 at very high speeds (+150)
> and also with 5W-40 as the peisons were gone. With 10W-60 (or mixed with
> 5W-40 in winter) the problem dissapeared. Castrol 10W-60 is recommended by
> the local tuning shop that prepares Porsche TwinTurbos. Ticking noise is also
> better with the "thicker" oil.

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R.G. wrote:
> 1 year ago went Mobil 0W-40 for best cold start protection
> but then often getting oil-level light, especially speed >150mph driving
> up hill. I lifted throttle, light went off. Checking warm oil level showed 1/2-3/4 between
> marks.  Back to Castrol 5W-40 never got problem again
> until compression problem started to get worse.
> Before rebuild ran car over its limit, killed three pistons
> 4 rings.  After rebuild still oil around but no oil steam coming out BOV anymore.
> As this happend oil level light came on often at speed >130mph.
> During rebuild exchanged oil level switch.   Last week at
> 150mph light came on again; oil level night before 3/4.
> light came on at lower speeds until it appeared at 140km/h. I went into gas station,
> let car idle 2 minutes, then oil level checked empty! I looked
> through oil cap hole, saw enough oil. I filled a litre, got 3/4 mark on stick!
> Yesterday, speeded up hill, light came on.  Filled 10W-60 Racing Castrol, heated engine good
> made the hill tests. No problem since then :)  Question:  if oil-level switch does anything else than
> measure oil level. I doubt related to oil pressure as meter
> always showed higher good pressure on autobahn.  My experiences
> are that 0W-40 are too thin for our cars when
> hard high temp conditions. Higher rated oils are much better for our cars but
> not so great for winter condition.  Wide range seems better, say 5W-50 (I think Mobil 1 has
> one) but I'll use 10W-60 in summer, mix 5W-40 winter as Castrol doesn't have high range fluid.
> New stuff in engine lowered ticking sound.
> Roger

Roger:
The oil level switch COULD still reflect oil pressure; if oil in pan is
very low, and pump is intermittently suckng air (oil pressure near zero
transiently) the oil pressure GUAGE won't reflect this well because it
has such a slow rate of change; needle takes awhile to get to new
values.  This is like a gas guage on some cars, which change SLOWLY so
as not to alarm people with transient changes due to hills changing
angle of fuel in tank etc but give a time-average value.  The oil LIGHT
may reflect instant values, and could have sensitivity to pick up very
transient oil pressure loss such as one sees with oilpan near-empty. 

I don't know if it is tied into oil pressure, though.  Sounds like you
are pumping alot of oil to the top end of the motor (valvecovers), and
getting caught up in crank windage at sustained high speeds.  You could
consider 1) having a deeper oilpan made up, and extending the oil pump
pickup downward to suck off the deeper sump.  Making about 2" (50mm)
deeper would hold another liter or more, and could solve your problem.
MUCH deeper makes the pump have to suck up against more of a vacuum
drawing the oil up, so I would not go TOO deep.  Since you are so
serious about your car, and do alot of highspeed driving, this would be
the best way.  Alternatives (not as good but functional) would include
2) an oil pressure reservoir, that will send pressurized oil into system
anytime pressure drops/sucks air (commercially available) but this means
YOU STILL SUCK AIR; and 3) overfilling the crankcase (Full mark plus
1/4-1/2 more or so).  This works and can be fine; if indeed your oil
level is below zero/causing oil level light WHEN DRIVING, then clearly
the crankcase is NOT OVERFULL AT SPEED, so overfilling AT STOP would NOT
mean the crank is plowing through crankcase oil way way up when
driving--the oil is someplace you have no control over and must
compensate for by overfilling AT REST.

I agree with heavier oil for heavy load driving.  I have always used
Mobil 1 15W50 all year round including Wisconsin winters; no problems
with bearings etc.  Synthetics flow way better, even a 15W synthetic
flows better than a 10W standard in supercold.

Hope this gives some ideas!
Jack Tertadian
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Howdy folks...

Darc made a good point that could affect the data, so I added another field
for "current mileage".

THANKS!!!

=======================================

1. Vehicle: 1995 VR4
2. Current mileage: 35K
2. Oil weight: 5-50w
3. Oil brand: Castrol Syntec (synthetic)
4. Filter brand: OEM
5. Additives: None
6. Change frequency: Every 3K miles or six months
7. Observations:

========================================

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For everyone who's running straight exhausts, and perhaps EGR's blocked
off... Is your exhaust smell exceptionally noxious? I've noticed mines
is getting to be particularly noxious compared to some other straight
flowing exhausts, that I've done.

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-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Team3S: Exhaust Fumes


For everyone who's running straight exhausts, and perhaps EGR's blocked
off... Is your exhaust smell exceptionally noxious? I've noticed mines
is getting to be particularly noxious compared to some other straight
flowing exhausts, that I've done.
==================================
Rumor had it that a catless system would smell like rotten eggs. I still
have my precats, but I'm running a straight 3" all the way to the bumper. No
unusual odors at this point.

Looking forward...Chris

"Friends don't let friends ride with me"

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Wouldn't the fact that running 275 tires in the snow cause more of the
sliding effect than AWD. Isn't the philosophy of tires behind snow, the
skinnier the tire, the better it runs on snow due less area on ice?

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I've found that the best shifter feeling to me in my 1991 is to switch a
94 shifter into the car and cut the bottom of the shifter off. and
reweld the eyelet a little higher to the same location as the stock 91
shifter. There is actually a difference between the 91-93 and 94+
shifters. The 91's are stupendously high as compared to the 94's, but
the 94's have a longer shaft at the bottom.  Is the 94 chassis lower
below the shifter?? I tried straight swapping the 94 shifter and I found
that it would go into all the gears except 2nd, where it would clunk and
not go it. I found this problem to be that the 94 has a longer base on
the shifter, which actually hits the chassis, specifically where the
chassis creates a groove for the shifter to go through. If you look
underneath the shifter, it looks like there's a indentation for the
shifter to go through when you shift into second. But once I swapped
shifters, I had much shorter height without the close pattern of a short
shifter.  2nd gear didn't seem as clunky, but I still don't understand
why, the cable throw shouldn't be different.

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1. Vehicle:             1993 VR4
2. Current mileage:     49,000
3. Oil weight:          15W-50
4. Oil brand:           Mobil 1 (synthetic)
5. Filter brand:        OEM
6. Additives:           None
7. Change frequency:    Every 3K miles
8. Observations:        No problems.  Very little to no prob with lifter
tick.  Stands up to hard use.

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Well, it's finally happened. The last couple days we've had BEAUTIFUL
weather here in the PNW, so Beastie has been out from under cover. Having
just finished the exhaust a few weeks ago, along with a BOV and
bored/polished throttle body, I have better flow than ever before. The
turbos spool quickly and stay there longer. Now, for the first time ever,
I've had that "wonderful" fuel cut experience. You folks are correct, nearly
slammed my head into the steering wheel. The engine recovers quickly, but
this is NOT a good thing under WOT (or race) conditions. A couple questions
for those who've already been here:

1. Will replacing my injectors and fuel pump solve this?
2. What's the value of a "fuel cut defencer" device?
3. I know there's been debate about the various devices that can be run in
line with the stock ECU, but I noticed (in the last issue of Max Speed) that
Jet Industries will now remap the stock ECU to accommodate the specific mods
that I have. While this isn't cheap ($600) it's less expensive than some of
the other options. Clearly the drawback is that it's a one time thing, no
adjustment unless it's reprogrammed again. Not ideal for the tuner who wants
to play with the settings, but if they can optimize, it would be good for
those who don't want to tweak regularly. Has anyone given them a try
recently? Ideas? Opinions?

Looking forward...Chris

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Chris Winkley wrote: [snips]
> finished exhaust, BOV, bored/polished throttle body, better flow than ever.
> turbos spool quickly, stay longer.  For the first time,
> I've had fuel cut, nearly slammed my head into steering wheel. engine recovers quickly, but
> this NOT good under WOT. questions:
> 1. Will replacing my injectors and fuel pump solve this?

No.  Fuel pump has absolutely NOTHING TO DO with fuelcut.  Is however a
wise investment if going faster than fuelcut-zone.  Injectors alone will
just richen up mix, car will still fuelcut but will be richer doing it
and run like crap because you have not altered the endproduct of fuel
management programming to compensate for the larger injectors.

> 2. What's the value of a "fuel cut defencer" device?

Don't know.  IF it worked might be relatively poor band-aid (leanout).

> 3. various devices that can be run inline with stock ECU; last issue of Max Speed
> Jet Industries will remap stock ECU to accommodate specific mods
> I have $600; less expensive than some other options. Clear drawback: one time thing, no
> adjustment unless reprogrammed again. Not ideal for tuner who wants
> settings, but if they optimize, would be good for
> those who don't want to tweak. Has anyone given them a try recently?
> 1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4

With '95 you "can't use" a VPC (in quotes because no one has said how
and printed it, but I am pretty sure it could be used...different wiring
harness is issue, but only 3 or 4 wires need to be intercepted/tapped
into.) 
I have heard through history that Jet Industries just puts some sticker
on the stock computer box, gives you a couple additional parts which
essentially vent the wastegate line some like a bleeder valve so higher
boost, thus better performance; charging exorbitant fee while ACTING
like they hacked into your computer which they did NOT.  Whether they
just "got religion" and suddenly are reputable, hired a computer whiz,
and now TRULY, REALLY, check-really-IS-in-the-mail-THIStime _DO_ do a
real and worthwhile COMPUTER mod is the question.  Dunno.  Don't wanna
try, myself...

For 94+ the Apexi AFC will work.  Best technique is to get 550cc
injectors (or 720's will work with VPC+GCC if 91-93; 720 might work with
AFC), because you fool the computer into thinking you are flowing less
and less air, the larger the injectors you use and the more you "lean
out" the VPC/GCC or the APexi AFC to compensate for the larger
injectors.  I have never fuelcut with VPC/GCC/720cc injectors.  With
550's it was almost never.

TRE MASC also works/worked, but apparently they are not truly in
business anymore...?

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> Wouldn't the fact that running 275 tires in the snow cause more of the
> sliding effect than AWD. Isn't the philosophy of tires behind snow, the
> skinnier the tire, the better it runs on snow due less area on ice?

In fact the smaller the tire the better traction in snow. But on ice the story
is different and the wideness of the tire doesn't play a lot in that case. The
thread design and the rubber plays a more important rule. On another hand the
wider the tire the larger the area each tire has contact to the surface.
Therefore the force (pounds per square-inch) is samller and the tire tends more
to "slide". This is theoretical stuff but when you go to a prepared sliding
track you'll have to feel in your back what's going on :)

Roger,
icey-Switzerland

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Jack said everything and I add just my (bad) experiences here.

First, what are all the mods you're having now and what fuel do you run ?

I guess you've pushed boost up to around 1.2bars and plus. Fuel cut appears when
the ECU jumps off its internal fuel map. Before this you'll normally feel a
hesitation as it retards the timing when some of the fuel values go out of the
map (timing is retarded when knock appears!!). On my car fuel cut appeared at
1.25bars but some hesitation was feelable around 1.22bars peak. Therefore I'm
very sure you'll also have bad knock around !

> > 1. Will replacing my injectors and fuel pump solve this?

Jack said it all :)

> > 2. What's the value of a "fuel cut defencer" device?

No, we don't have a "fuel cut defencer" device like those for the Toyotas (MR2,
Supras). These cars do have a boost pressure sensor that reads real values and
uses the signal in the ECU. This can be tweaked by thinking the ECU that there's
less boost. The same way can be done like Jack described for the Apexi AFC. I
got it because I thought it is a good idea to increase fuel where the fuel-cut
appeard. WRONG, because the fuel cut is related to knock and maxing out the
injectors. After installing the AFC I was able to lean the mixture out and
fuel-cut disappeard. Of course it did as I tweaked the ECU thinking that there's
less air and therefore less fuel is given. As I did not install larger injectors
I ran into the danger that the mixture was too lean. On the dyno we runned the
car under full load at 5600 where fuel cut appeared and we were able to lean it
out but were still in the safe area. So I thought I'm fine ...

.. until we found out where knock appeard ! We had to reduce boost to 1.05bars
to prevent knock and therefore any fuel-cut defencing is not necessary anymore.

I therefore highly recommend to check this are because an engine rebuild will be
your next step. Just adding too much fuel to cool down the combustion chamber
may help but does not solve the knock problem. Higher boost simply also means
higher octane level !

For the Jet thing they have a very bad reputation like Jack said. The ECU
program can only be changed by adding another dautherboard and EPROMS. Then the
program can be altered. There's also a guy in Australia that says he does
something to the ECU and for only around Aussie$ 800. Well nobody really knows
as these guys of course do not tell the trick. I've got the G-Force ECU with the
dautherboard and it's really alot of work. You can get it for around $850 but
still does not cure your knock thing.

> I have never fuelcut with VPC/GCC/720cc injectors.  With
> 550's it was almost never.

Of course, Jack runned racing gas or used octane booster. Another thing that
helps to prevent knock is to reduce backpressure in the exhaust manifold that is
caused by the turbos.

Just don't go the risky way as I did ! you can find the pics of my rebuild the
proken pistons on my website.

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93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)

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All:

My 2 hp's worth ....

=======================================

1. Vehicle:             1994 R/T
2. Current mileage:     72K
3. Oil weight:          10-40w (Dino) Since birth
4. Oil brand:           Quaker
5. Filter brand:        OEM/Fram every other oil change
6. Additives:           Absolutely None
7. Change frequency:    Every 2.5K miles
8. Observations: Lifter tick only when car sits for more than
4-5 days without being driven.  Always goes
away after the first mile or so of driving.
Came up short at one oil change by almost a
1/2 quart.  Found an undertightened oil filter
caused the problem (followed the streak to the
source).


Rich
Emerald Green 94 R/T
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I just feel that the BOV opens too early. I've turned the screw in (nut fully
yet) but it didn't changed a lot.

The beahivour is that I normally drive around and shift normally, the thing
works good. But with cruise control on ,when the throttle is open and goes to
almost closing, it just feels like a short misfire then. This means when the
trottle will be closed (not fully) slowely then everything is fine. But doing
this more quickly (as the cruise control does) it feels like something hit me.
For me the BOV opens to fast at a very low difference, releasing some boost and
then closes immediatly causing the boost comming back. Does anyone have a good
way how to set the BOV correctly ??

Thanks, Roger
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These are the specs

1. Vehicle:             1993 3KGT VR-4
2. Current mileage:     200 (since rebuild)
3. Oil weight:          10-40w (Dino) Valvoline
4. Oil brand:           Valvoline
5. Filter brand:        Purolator
6. Additives:           None
7. Change frequency:    1st change after 150 miles
8. Observations: No oil loss.  Oil in I/C subsystem seems to have dried up.

After about 2000 miles, I will change to my regular old Mobil-1 15W50.

-Bob

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1. Vehicle:                  1994 VR4
2. Current mileage:      34,000  (6k miles of ownership)
3. Oil weight:              10W-30
4. Oil brand:               Mobil 1 Synthetic
5. Filter brand:            OEM
6. Additives:               None (about to try some Gunk)
7. Change frequency:  Every 3K miles (3 changes so far)
8. Observations:         Little to no lifter tick.  When it arises, it usually
                                  goes away after a short warmup and slight blip
                                  of the throttle.  The other day it was ticking quite
                                  a bit, but it went away when I opened the hood!

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Ron-a-roid wrote:

> Is there any possibility that the shifters in the 3k is a possible cause of
>  some of the trany failures? I've not been real confident in the feel of the
>  engagement of the shifter in my 96 VR4, especially in 3rd   [snip]

I just recently read somewhere that our cars use a cable-operated
shifter.  Is this true?  Does this bear any significance to the problem
at hand?  I have heard people complain that the cable operation is
a weak spot in the Eclipse, but I had assumed that our car doesn't
use one.  What is the (superior?) alternative in other sports cars?

Happy Holidays!

--Errin Humphrey

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Here's both of my cars:

1. Vehicle:             1997 3KGT VR-4 (pure stock)
2. Current mileage:     5850
3. Oil weight:          10-30w
4. Oil brand:           Mobil One (Synthetic)
5. Filter brand:        Mitsu OEM
6. Additives:           None
7. Change frequency:    Every four months
8. Observations: No oil loss. Changed original oil at 500 miles to Castrol
10-30w (dino), then Mobil One 10/30w at 2500 miles. Have had car since new,
bought August 1997. Valve tapping noise until changed to Mobil One. Air
conditioner compressor replaced last October due to clicking noise that
sounded a lot like lifter tapping--helped dramatically (see below). Took car
on its first overnight road trip this weekend (about 350 miles) and got 36
miles per gallon of gasoline (no air conditioning) averaging 85 mph on open
road. Car driven only on sunny weekends.


1. Vehicle:             1998 3KGT SOHC
2. Current mileage:     28,950
3. Oil weight:          10-30w
4. Oil brand:           Mobil One (Synthetic)
5. Filter brand:        Mitsu OEM
6. Additives:           None
7. Change frequency:    Every 5,000 miles or two months
8. Observations: No oil loss. Changed original oil at 525 miles to Castrol
10-30w (dino), then Mobil One 10/30w at 2500 miles. Valve lifters replaced
at 2100 miles last March due to excessive noise--was later found to be the
air conditioner compressor clutch making a clicking noise whenever the air
was turned off. Have had car since new, bought December 1997. Slight valve
tapping noise until changed to Mobil One. Daily driver.


Steve File
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I just got back from a driving my friend's newly acquired 550 Maranello.

There are no words that I can put together to adequately describe this car.
All I can say is "Wow", "Sweet", and "Thank you Mr. Ferrari".

I am ruined for life.


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Barry

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Our cars use a cable operated shifter.

They are beefy cables though.  The real problem in my opinion, or at least
part of it, is the play in the bushings at the cable attachment points.
There is simply too much play.  A good Saturday morning project would be to
find appropriately sized bushing and hand cut them to fit the shifter
assembly perfectly.  I'd bet this would greatly reduce the slop in the
shifter.  I plan to do this to mine within the next month or so.


Regards,

Barry

> -----Original Message-----
>
> Ron-a-roid wrote:
>
> > Is there any possibility that the shifters in the 3k is a
> possible cause of
> >  some of the trany failures? I've not been real confident in
> the feel of the
> >  engagement of the shifter in my 96 VR4, especially in 3rd   [snip]
>
> I just recently read somewhere that our cars use a cable-operated
> shifter.  Is this true?  Does this bear any significance to the problem
> at hand?  I have heard people complain that the cable operation is
> a weak spot in the Eclipse, but I had assumed that our car doesn't
> use one.  What is the (superior?) alternative in other sports cars?
>
> Happy Holidays!
>
> --Errin Humphrey

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Happy Holidays to everyone :)
Santa still hasn't gotten back to me about my Stealth

oh, if no one minds a question from an amature, on a Twin Turbo, is an
intercooler recquired for each turbo kits?

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1. Vehicle:             1991 3000GT VR-4
2. Current mileage:     68,000
3. Oil weight:         15W-50
4. Oil brand:           Mobil 1
5. Filter brand:        Fram
6. Additives:           None
7. Change frequency:    3000 Miles
8. Observations:                Will start ticking at around the 3000
Mile mark. But is much quieter than with 10W-30

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In a message dated 12/21/98 12:29:55 AM, you wrote:

<<1. Vehicle:             1991 3000GT VR-4
2. Current mileage:     68,000
3. Oil weight:         15W-50
4. Oil brand:           Mobil 1
5. Filter brand:        Fram
6. Additives:           None
7. Change frequency:    3000 Miles
8. Observations:                Will start ticking at around the 3000
Mile mark. But is much quieter than with 10W-30>>

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><1. Vehicle:             1992 Stealth R/T TT
> 2. Current mileage:     72,900
> 3. Oil weight:          15W-50
> 4. Oil brand:           Mobil 1
> 5. Filter brand:        Mitsu
> 6. Additives:           Fuel Additive: Redline SI-1 good for 5 tanks of gas.  But once every 3000 miles I use one bottle for one tank of gas.  I hope to clear valve sediments.
> 7. Change frequency:    3000 Miles
> 8. Observations:        Almost no ticking.  Only when cold and almost unaudible.
> Mile mark. But is much quieter than with when I got it at 64,000 miles.
>
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1. Vehicle:             1994 3000GT VR-4
2. Current mileage:     63,000
3. Oil weight:          10W-30
4. Oil brand:           Mobil 1
5. Filter brand:        OEM
6. Additives:           None
7. Change frequency:    3000 Miles
8. Observations:        Period ticking, especially nearing oil change.  Just
tore down the engine.  Cross hatch still on cylinder walls.  All bearings
and mating/thrust surfaces in perfect condition.  Zero coking in oil return
lines.

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1. Vehicle:             1994 Stealth NT
2. Current mileage:     17,000
3. Oil weight:          10W-30
4. Oil brand:           Mobil 1 (synthetic)
5. Filter brand:        OEM
6. Additives:           None
7. Change frequency:    Every 3.5K miles
8. Observations:        Lifter tick driving home from showroom; crankcase
was 1/2 qt low and tick lessened when it was topped off, but continued
through break-in.  Changed to Mobil 1 at 500 miles, and tick disappeared was
never repeated.  No oil burned ever, but went through ~1/2 QT once running
at 120+ for about an hour...

Merry Christmas, Folks!

Forrest


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In a message dated 12/21/98 12:29:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rpmmotorsport@adelphia.net writes:

<< 1. Vehicle:          1991 3000GT VR-4
2. Current mileage: 117500 (First 80K by prior owner)
3. Oil weight:          10W-30
4. Oil brand:           Mobil 1
5. Filter brand:        Factory
6. Additives:           None (Have used Marvel Mystery Oil)
7. Change frequency:    3000 Miles
8. Observations:  >> Runs very well
Arty 91 VR-4
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1) Vehicle: 1992 Stealth TT
2) Mileage: 59,000 Miles
3) Oil Weight: 10w-30
4) Oil Brand: Mobil 1
5) Filter Brand: OEM
6) Additives: None
7) Change Frequency: 3,000 Miles
8) Observations: No lifter ticking. They were replaced at 48,000
                         miles under extended warranty due to tick.
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1. Vehicle:             92 RT/Turbo
2. Current mileage:     72,000
3. Oil weight:         10W-30
4. Oil brand:           Redline
5. Filter brand:        Mits OEM
6. Additives:           None
7. Change frequency:    3-5K Miles
8. Observations:

Jeffrey
92 RT/Turbo
www.omega-sw.com/stealth

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Just had to reply ...sounds like a new engine Barry, dispite the teeney weeney problem
: )

Darc

Barry E. King wrote:

> 1. Vehicle:             1994 3000GT VR-4
> 2. Current mileage:     63,000
> 3. Oil weight:          10W-30
> 4. Oil brand:           Mobil 1
> 5. Filter brand:        OEM
> 6. Additives:           None
> 7. Change frequency:    3000 Miles
> 8. Observations:        Period ticking, especially nearing oil change.  Just
> tore down the engine.  Cross hatch still on cylinder walls.  All bearings
> and mating/thrust surfaces in perfect condition.  Zero coking in oil return
> lines.
>
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1. Vehicle:             1991 3000GT VR-4
2. Current mileage:   85,000
3. Oil weight:         10W-30
4. Oil brand: Mobil 1
5. Filter brand: OEM
6. Additives: None.  Previous owner said he used slick 50, so I
performed an engine flush at my first oil change.
7. Change frequency:    3000 Miles
8. Observations: Light ticking at idle when first started.  Goes away as
RPM increase.  More prone to ticking after 2000 miles on oil.

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Ken Middaugh
General Atomics
San Diego
(619) 455-4510
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hese are the specs

1. Vehicle:             1994 Dodge Stealth tt
2. Current mileage:  10,000 (after new shortblock)  
3. Oil weight:          10w-30
4. Oil brand:           Mobil 1
5. Filter brand:        Fram
6. Additives:           None
7. Change frequency:    2,000miles
8. Observations: No oil loss. 60,000 miles on first shortblock, never any oil
loss

TTYLater,
Mike Mahaffey
'94 Stealth tt
Best et: 11.6 Best mph: 121.58
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Hello Everybody=20

I have recently acquired a new vehicle.  I picked up a stock =
91StealthTT
which is a far cry from my last vehicle which was an S-10 so things =
have
become slightly more complex to put it lightly. =20

I have been on this list for a couple of months and I think that I =
would
like to put out a couple of questions of my own for the experts to =
field.
The car is great however, I am having a problem with smooth =
acceleration.
Whenever I put down a significant amount of power around second or =
third
gear there seems to be a loss in power.  Also, hard acceleration off of =
the
line yields a slight shudder in the rear of the vehicle.  I would like =
this
acceleration curve to be smooth from start to finish however I am =
really not
sure what the problem may be. =20

I took the car to the dealer to have them look at it and this is their
theory.  The head covers are leaking a small amount of oil and it is =
pooling
around the spark plug where they meet the wires.  Also mentioned, the =
wires
are oil soaked.  What's happening according to them is that, as the =
power
increases, the spark frequency at each plug will increase.  (obviously)
However, what is happening is that as this increase occurs it =
eventually
becomes too much and shorts the spark right to the block because the =
pooled
oil in contact with the plug.  Solution, fix the oil leak, new plug =
wires
and give it a try.  I personally found this whole explanation a little, =
"out
there" and the dealer is not willing to say 100% if this will correct =
my
problem. =20

Either way, it's a job that has to be done however what I would like to =
know
from the group is whether or not anyone has seen a problem similar to =
this
or has other theories on the matter.  Do you agree with the dealer's
diagnosis or does the source of this problem lie elsewhere.  I think =
that it
may be beneficial to mention that I live in Calgary, Alberta (That's in
Canada boys) and the dealer doesn't see a lot of Stealth's especially =
twin
turbos coming through the doors.  Also as you may or may not know the =
3000GT
is not available in Canada so the last time this dealer sold the =
platform
was the end of 95 which in my books does not place them on the expert =
and
experienced list. =20

Any feedback or theories would be greatly appreciated.

mike


> ----------
> From: Team3S
> Digest[SMTP:owner-stealth-3000gt-digest@list.sirius.com]
> Sent: 21 December, 1998 1:25 AM
> To: stealth-3000gt-digest@list.sirius.com
> Subject: Team3S Digest V1 #53
>=20
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> Team3S Digest        Monday, December 21 1998        Volume 01 : =
Number
> 053
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> =
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>=20
> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:48:12 +0000
> From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
> Subject: Team3S: Fuel pump question
>=20
> I'm still in the GT &%=E7 research thing and nearly fall over the =
fuel pump
> I got
> from Brian. It is a Nippon Denso pump with the description 5T11 and =
the
> number
> 195130-1020.
>=20
> Can someone please verify what kind of pump this is and how much it =
flows
> ?
>=20
> Thanks in advance,
> Roger
>=20
> - -----------------------
> Roger Gerl, Switzerland
> 93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
>=20
>=20
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 17:35:02 +0000
> From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
> Subject: Team3S: Little oil survey on our cars / oil level
>=20
> Since I got the car in Feb94 (93 model) I ran only synthetics in the =
car.
> At the
> beginning 10W-40, then 5W-40 and now 5W-40 mixed with 10W-60. Also in =
the
> beginning I used some snake oil like Slick 50 and Ceramica but =
stopped
> after
> discussions as well as it was just too expensive.
>=20
> As my car got the slight rebuild, I checked many parts out :
>=20
> The oil lines where in perfect conditions and there was no sign of =
any
> cristalized oil visible.
>=20
> The cylinder walls looked very good and the mechanic was surprised =
even
> after 3
> of the pistons broke. Very, very low wear for 65k.
>=20
> Same ot the heads. There was no need to grind them as measurment =
showed an
> absolutely plain surface.
>=20
> The cams also show less wear then expected and after cleaning the =
intake
> and the
> valves also these parts showed lesser wear than expected.
>=20
> I run the bleeder valve with 0.75bars of boost peak (around 350hp =
dynoed)
> since
> June 1994 and therefore the car was used over the specs it was built =
for
> some
> years. This does not lead me into the conclusion that snake oils =
helped in
> any
> way but it says that they don't hurt as well. The broken pistons =
where due
> to my
> ignorance and have nothing to to with this.
>=20
> Back to the oil. I'm sure using very good quality oil and changing it
> every
> 5000-7500km is the key to the good condition the parts are in. =
Measuring
> the oil
> temp showed up to 106=B0C on the dyno. Normal use showed around =
98=B0C and
> less but
> I expect higher temps when driving for a long time on the german =
autobahn
> (gulp). The cars came with Castrol 10W-40 Synthetics and I always =
stayed
> with it
> as I never had any problem. As the synths came down in price  I went =
to
> 5W-40
> due to the many cold-starts I had during the winter times. Also null
> problemos.
> About 1 year ago I went to the Mobil 0W-40 for the best cold start
> protection
> but then I often ran into getting the oil-level light (just above the =
ASC
> ON
> light) on the autobahn. Especially on speeds over 150mph as the =
streets
> went up
> the hill the light came on. I immediatly lifted the throttle and the =
light
> went
> off. Checking the warm oil level showed about 1/2 to 3/4 of the range
> between
> the marks then. I went back to Castrol 5W-40 and never got this =
problem
> again
> ... until my compression problem started to begin worse.
>=20
> Before the rebuild I ran the car over it's limit and killed three =
pistons
> and at
> least 4 rings. Some pressure went down to the crankcase due to this =
and
> caused
> the oil cap to leak as well as the oil was pressed into the intake =
through
> the
> crankcase ventilation. This then caused alot oil deposits in the
> intercollers
> and it's piping. Also the idle stepper motor got totally clogged as =
well
> as the
> intake valves due to the damn oil. Now after the rebuild there's =
still
> some oil
> around but, luckily, there's no oil steam comming out the BOV anymore
> (uff,
> turbos are ok). As this happend the oil level light came on very =
often at
> speeds
> over 130mph so I decided not to go higher then until the problem got
> fixed.
>=20
> BTW, during the rebuild we also exchanged the oil level switch to be =
sure
> everything is alright. As I went to Germany last week I speeded up to
> around
> 150mph as the damn light came on again. I checked the oil level the =
night
> before
> and the level was on 3/4 of the range so I expected no problem there. =
As I
> drove
> home on friday the light came on at lower speeds until it appeared at
> 140km/h
> (crusing speed here). I went into the next gas station and got a =
bottle
> just to
> be sure I have enough oil in the pan. I let the car idle for 2 =
minutes and
> then
> checked the oil level. Nothing, nada, niente, empty ! I've checked =
what I
> could
> see through the oil cap hole and saw enough (damn hot) oil around. I
> filled the
> litre in and got close to the 3/4 mark on the stick ! No light the =
rest of
> the
> way.
>=20
> Yesterday, I made some miles and also speeded up a hill. Tataaaa, the
> light came
> on again. I went home and filled up with 10W-60 Racing oil from =
Castrol.
> This
> because the mechanic at Digit Power told me earlier that this is the =
fluid
> they
> highly recommend for our high temp cars... espcially when the power =
is
> cranked
> up. For winter use it's good to have a good cold start oil and that's =
why
> I
> decided to "mix" the stuff. I went for a ride, heated the engine up =
as
> good as
> possible and made the hill tests. No problem since then :)
>=20
> Well, the question arises if the oil-level switch also does anything =
else
> than
> measure the oil level. I don't think it is related to the oil =
temperature
> but
> who knows. Also I doubt that it is related to the oil pressure as the
> meter
> always showed a higher but good pressure on the autobahn. For me, my
> experiences
> are that oils with 0W-40 are somewhat too thin for our cars when =
getting
> into
> hard high temp conditions. Higher rated oils are much better for our =
cars
> but
> not so great for winter conditions.
>=20
> Finally, a wide range seems to be better, say 5W-50 or so (I think =
Mobil 1
> has
> one) but I'll use the 10W-60 in the summer and mix it with the 5W-40 =
in
> the
> winter as Castrol does not have a high range fluid. For me it =
currently
> works
> good and it seems that the new stuff in the engine lowered the =
ticking
> sound as
> well.
>=20
> Regards to all,
> Roger
>=20
> - -----------------------
> Roger Gerl, Switzerland
> 93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
>=20
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:05:01 -0700
> From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Fuel pump question
>=20
> Roger,
>=20
> I suggest contacting Road Race Engineering (RRE) at
> mailto:sales@roadraceengineering.com specifying the part number and =
color
> of
> the cap on the pump.  Sometimes they are slow at responding so bug =
them a
> little.
>=20
>=20
> Regards,
>=20
> Barry
>=20
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > I'm still in the GT &%=E7 research thing and nearly fall over the
> > fuel pump I got
> > from Brian. It is a Nippon Denso pump with the description 5T11
> > and the number
> > 195130-1020.
> >
> > Can someone please verify what kind of pump this is and how much
> > it flows ?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Roger
> >
> > -----------------------
> > Roger Gerl, Switzerland
>=20
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 09:08:44 -0800
> From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
> Subject: Team3S: Oil survey (was: Little oil survey on our cars)
>=20
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: R.G. [mailto:robby@swissonline.ch]
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 1998 9:35 AM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Subject: Team3S: Little oil survey on our cars / oil level
>=20
> <snip>
> Regards to all,
> Roger
> =
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> Roger...
>=20
> The subject line of your e-mail indicates a survey, which is a good =
idea.
> I'll collect the data and republish to the group after two weeks. =
Anyone
> interested in participating is welcome. Here's the questions I =
propose,
> just
> replace my data with yours:
>=20
> 1. Vehicle: 1995 VR4
> 2. Oil weight: 5-50w
> 3. Oil brand: Castrol Syntec (synthetic)
> 4. Filter brand: OEM
> 5. Additives: None
> 6. Change frequency: Every 3K miles or six months
> 7. Observations: I changed from fossil oil to synthetic when
> I purchased the car 18 months ago. Aside from what I believe is a =
"normal"
> lifter tick (goes away at any rpm above 1500), I've had no problems. =
I've
> tried a number of additives over the years, and can't say I've =
noticed any
> improvement or degradation in performance. I will point out, that =
with old
> V8 beaters, STP oil treatment adds enough extra viscosity to prevent =
oil
> slipping around worn rings and valves (symptom - blue smoke out the
> exhaust). I've never had the oil light come on (as Roger described), =
but
> my
> opportunities to drive above 100mph are limited.=20
>=20
> Looking forward...Chris
>=20
> "Friends don't let friends ride with me"
>=20
> 1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4=20
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 09:26:55 -0800
> From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Oil survey (was: Little oil survey on our cars)
>=20
> > Chris...submission
> >
> > 1. Vehicle:             1992 Stealth TT
> > 2. Oil weight:          10-30w
> > 3. Oil brand:           Mobil 1 (synthetic)
> > 4. Filter brand:        Mitsu, Fram, etc.
> > 5. Additives:           None now (Slick 50 for 4 changes)
> > 6. Change frequency:    Every 3K miles or six months
> > 7. Observations:                Synthetic Mobil 1 is used =
exclusively,
> (I was informed
> > the initial breakin period of 1000 kms  was done on Quaker fossil.) =
No
> problems noted
> > with exception of standard ticking, which has been alleviated for =
some
> time by using
> > an oil flush (Gunk) at last oil change. Little opportunity exists =
here
> to drive at
> > high speeds for any lenght of time. Were that availed perhaps a =
5-50 or
> 5-60 might be
> > the choice I would option. 10-30, however has been just fine, with =
5-30
> used if winter
> > is colder than normal, here on the mild west coast. Oh, just over =
40,000
> kms on the
> > car.
>=20
> Darcy
>=20
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:07:23 +0000
> From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Oil survey
>=20
> Thanks Chris .)
>=20
> > 1. Vehicle:             1993 VR4 (Euro Version)
> > 2. Oil weight:          5W-40 / 10W-60
> > 3. Oil brand:           Castrol RS (synthetic)
> > 4. Filter brand:        Mitsu
> > 5. Additives:           none now (Slick 50, Ceramica in the first 2
> years)
> > 6. Change frequency:    Every 5K - 7.5k km
> > 7. Observations:       =20
>=20
> > Car came with 10W-40 from Castrol and I used over the years until =
5W-40
> came
> > out. I also used Slick 50 and Ceramica snake oil and I cannot say =
if it
> did
> > anything good. At least it did nothing bad as the parts looked very =
good
> > when inspected during the rebuild. No deposits nor any expected =
wear.
> > Had the oil light comming on with 0W-40 Mobil 1 at very high speeds
> (+150)
> > and also with 5W-40 as the peisons were gone. With 10W-60 (or mixed =
with
> > 5W-40 in winter) the problem dissapeared. Castrol 10W-60 is =
recommended
> by
> > the local tuning shop that prepares Porsche TwinTurbos. Ticking =
noise is
> also
> > better with the "thicker" oil.
> =20
> - -----------------------
> Roger Gerl, Switzerland
> 93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 12:11:26 -0600
> From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
> Subject: Re: Team3S:  oil survey/ oil level
>=20
> R.G. wrote:=20
> > 1 year ago went Mobil 0W-40 for best cold start protection
> > but then often getting oil-level light, especially speed >150mph =
driving
>=20
> > up hill. I lifted throttle, light went off. Checking warm oil level
> showed 1/2-3/4 between
> > marks.  Back to Castrol 5W-40 never got problem again
> > until compression problem started to get worse.
> > Before rebuild ran car over its limit, killed three pistons=20
> > 4 rings.  After rebuild still oil around but no oil steam coming =
out BOV
> anymore.=20
> > As this happend oil level light came on often at speed >130mph.
> > During rebuild exchanged oil level switch.   Last week at
> > 150mph light came on again; oil level night before 3/4.=20
> > light came on at lower speeds until it appeared at 140km/h. I went =
into
> gas station,
> > let car idle 2 minutes, then oil level checked empty! I looked=20
> > through oil cap hole, saw enough oil. I filled a litre, got 3/4 =
mark on
> stick!=20
> > Yesterday, speeded up hill, light came on.  Filled 10W-60 Racing
> Castrol, heated engine good
> > made the hill tests. No problem since then :)  Question:  if oil-lev=
el
> switch does anything else than
> > measure oil level. I doubt related to oil pressure as meter
> > always showed higher good pressure on autobahn.  My experiences
> > are that 0W-40 are too thin for our cars when=20
> > hard high temp conditions. Higher rated oils are much better for =
our
> cars but
> > not so great for winter condition.  Wide range seems better, say =
5W-50
> (I think Mobil 1 has
> > one) but I'll use 10W-60 in summer, mix 5W-40 winter as Castrol =
doesn't
> have high range fluid.=20
> > New stuff in engine lowered ticking sound.=20
> > Roger
>=20
> Roger:
> The oil level switch COULD still reflect oil pressure; if oil in pan =
is
> very low, and pump is intermittently suckng air (oil pressure near =
zero
> transiently) the oil pressure GUAGE won't reflect this well because =
it
> has such a slow rate of change; needle takes awhile to get to new
> values.  This is like a gas guage on some cars, which change SLOWLY =
so
> as not to alarm people with transient changes due to hills changing
> angle of fuel in tank etc but give a time-average value.  The oil =
LIGHT
> may reflect instant values, and could have sensitivity to pick up =
very
> transient oil pressure loss such as one sees with oilpan near-empty.  =

>=20
> I don't know if it is tied into oil pressure, though.  Sounds like =
you
> are pumping alot of oil to the top end of the motor (valvecovers), =
and
> getting caught up in crank windage at sustained high speeds.  You =
could
> consider 1) having a deeper oilpan made up, and extending the oil =
pump
> pickup downward to suck off the deeper sump.  Making about 2" (50mm)
> deeper would hold another liter or more, and could solve your =
problem.=20
> MUCH deeper makes the pump have to suck up against more of a vacuum
> drawing the oil up, so I would not go TOO deep.  Since you are so
> serious about your car, and do alot of highspeed driving, this would =
be
> the best way.  Alternatives (not as good but functional) would =
include
> 2) an oil pressure reservoir, that will send pressurized oil into =
system
> anytime pressure drops/sucks air (commercially available) but this =
means
> YOU STILL SUCK AIR; and 3) overfilling the crankcase (Full mark plus
> 1/4-1/2 more or so).  This works and can be fine; if indeed your oil
> level is below zero/causing oil level light WHEN DRIVING, then =
clearly
> the crankcase is NOT OVERFULL AT SPEED, so overfilling AT STOP would =
NOT
> mean the crank is plowing through crankcase oil way way up when
> driving--the oil is someplace you have no control over and must
> compensate for by overfilling AT REST.
>=20
> I agree with heavier oil for heavy load driving.  I have always used
> Mobil 1 15W50 all year round including Wisconsin winters; no problems
> with bearings etc.  Synthetics flow way better, even a 15W synthetic
> flows better than a 10W standard in supercold.
>=20
> Hope this gives some ideas!
> Jack Tertadian
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:39:34 -0800
> From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
> Subject: Team3S: Oil survey - revised
>=20
> Howdy folks...
>=20
> Darc made a good point that could affect the data, so I added another
> field
> for "current mileage".
>=20
> THANKS!!!
>=20
> =
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>=20
> 1. Vehicle: 1995 VR4
> 2. Current mileage: 35K
> 2. Oil weight: 5-50w
> 3. Oil brand: Castrol Syntec (synthetic)
> 4. Filter brand: OEM
> 5. Additives: None
> 6. Change frequency: Every 3K miles or six months
> 7. Observations: =09
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> =
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>=20
> Looking forward...Chris
>=20
> "Friends don't let friends ride with me"
>=20
> 1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4=20
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:37:58 -0500
> From: RPM Motorsports <rpmmotorsport@adelphia.net>
> Subject: Team3S: Exhaust Fumes
>=20
> For everyone who's running straight exhausts, and perhaps EGR's =
blocked
> off... Is your exhaust smell exceptionally noxious? I've noticed =
mines
> is getting to be particularly noxious compared to some other straight
> flowing exhausts, that I've done.
>=20
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:43:29 -0800
> From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Exhaust Fumes
>=20
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: RPM Motorsports [mailto:rpmmotorsport@adelphia.net]
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 1998 10:38 AM
> To: Team3S
> Subject: Team3S: Exhaust Fumes
>=20
>=20
> For everyone who's running straight exhausts, and perhaps EGR's =
blocked
> off... Is your exhaust smell exceptionally noxious? I've noticed =
mines
> is getting to be particularly noxious compared to some other straight
> flowing exhausts, that I've done.
> =
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> Rumor had it that a catless system would smell like rotten eggs. I =
still
> have my precats, but I'm running a straight 3" all the way to the =
bumper.
> No
> unusual odors at this point.
>=20
> Looking forward...Chris
>=20
> "Friends don't let friends ride with me"
>=20
> 1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4=20
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>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:41:47 -0500
> From: RPM Motorsports <rpmmotorsport@adelphia.net>
> Subject: Re: Team3S: AWD on ice
>=20
> Wouldn't the fact that running 275 tires in the snow cause more of =
the
> sliding effect than AWD. Isn't the philosophy of tires behind snow, =
the
> skinnier the tire, the better it runs on snow due less area on ice?
>=20
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:49:49 -0500
> From: RPM Motorsports <rpmmotorsport@adelphia.net>
> Subject: Re: Team3S: shifter alignment
>=20
> I've found that the best shifter feeling to me in my 1991 is to =
switch a
> 94 shifter into the car and cut the bottom of the shifter off. and
> reweld the eyelet a little higher to the same location as the stock =
91
> shifter. There is actually a difference between the 91-93 and 94+
> shifters. The 91's are stupendously high as compared to the 94's, but
> the 94's have a longer shaft at the bottom.  Is the 94 chassis lower
> below the shifter?? I tried straight swapping the 94 shifter and I =
found
> that it would go into all the gears except 2nd, where it would clunk =
and
> not go it. I found this problem to be that the 94 has a longer base =
on
> the shifter, which actually hits the chassis, specifically where the
> chassis creates a groove for the shifter to go through. If you look
> underneath the shifter, it looks like there's a indentation for the
> shifter to go through when you shift into second. But once I swapped
> shifters, I had much shorter height without the close pattern of a =
short
> shifter.  2nd gear didn't seem as clunky, but I still don't =
understand
> why, the cable throw shouldn't be different.
>=20
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 12:57:11 -0600
> From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Oil survey - revised
>=20
> 1. Vehicle:             1993 VR4
> 2. Current mileage:     49,000
> 3. Oil weight:          15W-50
> 4. Oil brand:           Mobil 1 (synthetic)
> 5. Filter brand:        OEM
> 6. Additives:           None
> 7. Change frequency:    Every 3K miles=20
> 8. Observations:        No problems.  Very little to no prob with =
lifter
> tick.  Stands up to hard use.
> =20
> Jack Tertadian
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:59:23 -0800
> From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
> Subject: Team3S: Fuel cut
>=20
> Well, it's finally happened. The last couple days we've had BEAUTIFUL
> weather here in the PNW, so Beastie has been out from under cover. =
Having
> just finished the exhaust a few weeks ago, along with a BOV and
> bored/polished throttle body, I have better flow than ever before. =
The
> turbos spool quickly and stay there longer. Now, for the first time =
ever,
> I've had that "wonderful" fuel cut experience. You folks are correct,
> nearly
> slammed my head into the steering wheel. The engine recovers quickly, =
but
> this is NOT a good thing under WOT (or race) conditions. A couple
> questions
> for those who've already been here:
>=20
> 1. Will replacing my injectors and fuel pump solve this?
> 2. What's the value of a "fuel cut defencer" device?
> 3. I know there's been debate about the various devices that can be =
run in
> line with the stock ECU, but I noticed (in the last issue of Max =
Speed)
> that
> Jet Industries will now remap the stock ECU to accommodate the =
specific
> mods
> that I have. While this isn't cheap ($600) it's less expensive than =
some
> of
> the other options. Clearly the drawback is that it's a one time =
thing, no
> adjustment unless it's reprogrammed again. Not ideal for the tuner =
who
> wants
> to play with the settings, but if they can optimize, it would be good =
for
> those who don't want to tweak regularly. Has anyone given them a try
> recently? Ideas? Opinions?
>=20
> Looking forward...Chris
>=20
> "Friends don't let friends ride with me"
>=20
> 1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4=20
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>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:25:33 -0600
> From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Fuel cut
>=20
> Chris Winkley wrote: [snips]
> > finished exhaust, BOV, bored/polished throttle body, better flow =
than
> ever.=20
> > turbos spool quickly, stay longer.  For the first time,
> > I've had fuel cut, nearly slammed my head into steering wheel. =
engine
> recovers quickly, but
> > this NOT good under WOT. questions:=20
> > 1. Will replacing my injectors and fuel pump solve this?
>=20
> No.  Fuel pump has absolutely NOTHING TO DO with fuelcut.  Is however =
a
> wise investment if going faster than fuelcut-zone.  Injectors alone =
will
> just richen up mix, car will still fuelcut but will be richer doing =
it
> and run like crap because you have not altered the endproduct of fuel
> management programming to compensate for the larger injectors.
>=20
> > 2. What's the value of a "fuel cut defencer" device?
>=20
> Don't know.  IF it worked might be relatively poor band-aid =
(leanout).
>=20
> > 3. various devices that can be run inline with stock ECU; last =
issue of
> Max Speed
> > Jet Industries will remap stock ECU to accommodate specific mods
> > I have $600; less expensive than some other options. Clear =
drawback: one
> time thing, no
> > adjustment unless reprogrammed again. Not ideal for tuner who wants
> > settings, but if they optimize, would be good for
> > those who don't want to tweak. Has anyone given them a try =
recently?=20
> > 1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4
>=20
> With '95 you "can't use" a VPC (in quotes because no one has said how
> and printed it, but I am pretty sure it could be used...different =
wiring
> harness is issue, but only 3 or 4 wires need to be intercepted/tapped
> into.) =20
> I have heard through history that Jet Industries just puts some =
sticker
> on the stock computer box, gives you a couple additional parts which
> essentially vent the wastegate line some like a bleeder valve so =
higher
> boost, thus better performance; charging exorbitant fee while ACTING
> like they hacked into your computer which they did NOT.  Whether they
> just "got religion" and suddenly are reputable, hired a computer =
whiz,
> and now TRULY, REALLY, check-really-IS-in-the-mail-THIStime _DO_ do a
> real and worthwhile COMPUTER mod is the question.  Dunno.  Don't =
wanna
> try, myself...
>=20
> For 94+ the Apexi AFC will work.  Best technique is to get 550cc
> injectors (or 720's will work with VPC+GCC if 91-93; 720 might work =
with
> AFC), because you fool the computer into thinking you are flowing =
less
> and less air, the larger the injectors you use and the more you "lean
> out" the VPC/GCC or the APexi AFC to compensate for the larger
> injectors.  I have never fuelcut with VPC/GCC/720cc injectors.  With
> 550's it was almost never.
>=20
> TRE MASC also works/worked, but apparently they are not truly in
> business anymore...?
>=20
> Jack Tertadian
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> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:43:38 +0000
> From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
> Subject: Re: Team3S: AWD on ice
>=20
> > Wouldn't the fact that running 275 tires in the snow cause more of =
the
> > sliding effect than AWD. Isn't the philosophy of tires behind snow, =
the
> > skinnier the tire, the better it runs on snow due less area on ice?
>=20
> In fact the smaller the tire the better traction in snow. But on ice =
the
> story
> is different and the wideness of the tire doesn't play a lot in that =
case.
> The
> thread design and the rubber plays a more important rule. On another =
hand
> the
> wider the tire the larger the area each tire has contact to the =
surface.
> Therefore the force (pounds per square-inch) is samller and the tire =
tends
> more
> to "slide". This is theoretical stuff but when you go to a prepared
> sliding
> track you'll have to feel in your back what's going on :)
>=20
> Roger,
> icey-Switzerland
>=20
> - -----------------------
> Roger Gerl, Switzerland
> 93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
>=20
>=20
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>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:21:33 +0000
> From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Fuel cut
>=20
> Jack said everything and I add just my (bad) experiences here.
>=20
> First, what are all the mods you're having now and what fuel do you =
run ?
>=20
> I guess you've pushed boost up to around 1.2bars and plus. Fuel cut
> appears when
> the ECU jumps off its internal fuel map. Before this you'll normally =
feel
> a
> hesitation as it retards the timing when some of the fuel values go =
out of
> the
> map (timing is retarded when knock appears!!). On my car fuel cut =
appeared
> at
> 1.25bars but some hesitation was feelable around 1.22bars peak. =
Therefore
> I'm
> very sure you'll also have bad knock around !
>=20
> > > 1. Will replacing my injectors and fuel pump solve this?
>=20
> Jack said it all :)
>=20
> > > 2. What's the value of a "fuel cut defencer" device?
>=20
> No, we don't have a "fuel cut defencer" device like those for the =
Toyotas
> (MR2,
> Supras). These cars do have a boost pressure sensor that reads real =
values
> and
> uses the signal in the ECU. This can be tweaked by thinking the ECU =
that
> there's
> less boost. The same way can be done like Jack described for the =
Apexi
> AFC. I
> got it because I thought it is a good idea to increase fuel where the
> fuel-cut
> appeard. WRONG, because the fuel cut is related to knock and maxing =
out
> the
> injectors. After installing the AFC I was able to lean the mixture =
out and
> fuel-cut disappeard. Of course it did as I tweaked the ECU thinking =
that
> there's
> less air and therefore less fuel is given. As I did not install =
larger
> injectors
> I ran into the danger that the mixture was too lean. On the dyno we =
runned
> the
> car under full load at 5600 where fuel cut appeared and we were able =
to
> lean it
> out but were still in the safe area. So I thought I'm fine ...
>=20
> .. until we found out where knock appeard ! We had to reduce boost to
> 1.05bars
> to prevent knock and therefore any fuel-cut defencing is not necessary=

> anymore.
>=20
> I therefore highly recommend to check this are because an engine =
rebuild
> will be
> your next step. Just adding too much fuel to cool down the combustion
> chamber
> may help but does not solve the knock problem. Higher boost simply =
also
> means
> higher octane level !
>=20
> For the Jet thing they have a very bad reputation like Jack said. The =
ECU
> program can only be changed by adding another dautherboard and =
EPROMS.
> Then the
> program can be altered. There's also a guy in Australia that says he =
does
> something to the ECU and for only around Aussie$ 800. Well nobody =
really
> knows
> as these guys of course do not tell the trick. I've got the G-Force =
ECU
> with the
> dautherboard and it's really alot of work. You can get it for around =
$850
> but
> still does not cure your knock thing.
>=20
> > I have never fuelcut with VPC/GCC/720cc injectors.  With
> > 550's it was almost never.
>=20
> Of course, Jack runned racing gas or used octane booster. Another =
thing
> that
> helps to prevent knock is to reduce backpressure in the exhaust =
manifold
> that is
> caused by the turbos.
>=20
> Just don't go the risky way as I did ! you can find the pics of my =
rebuild
> the
> proken pistons on my website.
>=20
> - -----------------------
> Roger Gerl, Switzerland
> 93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
>=20
> Visit my homepage under: =
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/9589/
>=20
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>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:00:02 -0800
> From: Rich <rleroy@pacifier.com>
> Subject: Team3S: Revised Oil Survey
>=20
> All:
>=20
> My 2 hp's worth ....
> =20
>  =
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> =20
> 1. Vehicle:             1994 R/T
> 2. Current mileage:     72K
> 3. Oil weight:          10-40w (Dino) Since birth
> 4. Oil brand:           Quaker
> 5. Filter brand:        OEM/Fram every other oil change
> 6. Additives:           Absolutely None
> 7. Change frequency:    Every 2.5K miles
> 8. Observations: Lifter tick only when car sits for more than
> 4-5 days without being driven.  Always goes
> away after the first mile or so of driving.
> Came up short at one oil change by almost a
> 1/2 quart.  Found an undertightened oil filter
> caused the problem (followed the streak to the
> source).
>=20
>=20
> Rich
> Emerald Green 94 R/T
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> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 22:35:15 +0000
> From: "R.G." <robby@swissonline.ch>
> Subject: Team3S: HKS SBOV setting
>=20
> I just feel that the BOV opens too early. I've turned the screw in =
(nut
> fully
> yet) but it didn't changed a lot.
>=20
> The beahivour is that I normally drive around and shift normally, the
> thing
> works good. But with cruise control on ,when the throttle is open and =
goes
> to
> almost closing, it just feels like a short misfire then. This means =
when
> the
> trottle will be closed (not fully) slowely then everything is fine. =
But
> doing
> this more quickly (as the cruise control does) it feels like =
something hit
> me.
> For me the BOV opens to fast at a very low difference, releasing some
> boost and
> then closes immediatly causing the boost comming back. Does anyone =
have a
> good
> way how to set the BOV correctly ??
>=20
> Thanks, Roger
> - -----------------------
> Roger Gerl, Switzerland
> 93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 17:16:25 -0500
> From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
> Subject: Team3S: Oil Survey
>=20
> These are the specs
>=20
> 1. Vehicle:             1993 3KGT VR-4
> 2. Current mileage:     200 (since rebuild)
> 3. Oil weight:          10-40w (Dino) Valvoline
> 4. Oil brand:           Valvoline
> 5. Filter brand:        Purolator
> 6. Additives:           None
> 7. Change frequency:    1st change after 150 miles
> 8. Observations: No oil loss.  Oil in I/C subsystem seems to
> have dried up.
>=20
> After about 2000 miles, I will change to my regular old Mobil-1 =
15W50.
>=20
> - -Bob
>=20
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> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:27:12 -0800
> From: "Errin D. Humphrey" <errin@u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Oil survey
>=20
> 1. Vehicle:                  1994 VR4
> 2. Current mileage:      34,000  (6k miles of ownership)
> 3. Oil weight:              10W-30
> 4. Oil brand:               Mobil 1 Synthetic
> 5. Filter brand:            OEM
> 6. Additives:               None (about to try some Gunk)
> 7. Change frequency:  Every 3K miles (3 changes so far)
> 8. Observations:         Little to no lifter tick.  When it arises, =
it
> usually
>                                   goes away after a short warmup and
> slight blip
>                                   of the throttle.  The other day it =
was
> ticking quite
>                                   a bit, but it went away when I =
opened
> the hood!
>=20
> Errin Humphrey
>=20
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> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:27:17 -0800
> From: "Errin D. Humphrey" <errin@u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Team3S: shifter alignment
>=20
> Ron-a-roid wrote:
>=20
> > Is there any possibility that the shifters in the 3k is a possible =
cause
> of
> >  some of the trany failures? I've not been real confident in the =
feel of
> the
> >  engagement of the shifter in my 96 VR4, especially in 3rd   [snip]
>=20
> I just recently read somewhere that our cars use a cable-operated
> shifter.  Is this true?  Does this bear any significance to the =
problem
> at hand?  I have heard people complain that the cable operation is
> a weak spot in the Eclipse, but I had assumed that our car doesn't
> use one.  What is the (superior?) alternative in other sports cars?
>=20
> Happy Holidays!
>=20
> - --Errin Humphrey
>=20
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 17:23:30 -0600
> From: "Steven A. File" <sfile@usa.net>
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Oil Survey
>=20
> Here's both of my cars:
>=20
> 1. Vehicle:             1997 3KGT VR-4 (pure stock)
> 2. Current mileage:     5850
> 3. Oil weight:          10-30w
> 4. Oil brand:           Mobil One (Synthetic)
> 5. Filter brand:        Mitsu OEM
> 6. Additives:           None
> 7. Change frequency:    Every four months
> 8. Observations: No oil loss. Changed original oil at 500
> miles to Castrol
> 10-30w (dino), then Mobil One 10/30w at 2500 miles. Have had car =
since
> new,
> bought August 1997. Valve tapping noise until changed to Mobil One. =
Air
> conditioner compressor replaced last October due to clicking noise =
that
> sounded a lot like lifter tapping--helped dramatically (see below). =
Took
> car
> on its first overnight road trip this weekend (about 350 miles) and =
got 36
> miles per gallon of gasoline (no air conditioning) averaging 85 mph =
on
> open
> road. Car driven only on sunny weekends.
>=20
>=20
> 1. Vehicle:             1998 3KGT SOHC
> 2. Current mileage:     28,950
> 3. Oil weight:          10-30w
> 4. Oil brand:           Mobil One (Synthetic)
> 5. Filter brand:        Mitsu OEM
> 6. Additives:           None
> 7. Change frequency:    Every 5,000 miles or two months
> 8. Observations: No oil loss. Changed original oil at 525
> miles to Castrol
> 10-30w (dino), then Mobil One 10/30w at 2500 miles. Valve lifters =
replaced
> at 2100 miles last March due to excessive noise--was later found to =
be the
> air conditioner compressor clutch making a clicking noise whenever =
the air
> was turned off. Have had car since new, bought December 1997. Slight =
valve
> tapping noise until changed to Mobil One. Daily driver.
>=20
>=20
> Steve File
> mailto:sfile@usa.net
>=20
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 17:27:19 -0700
> From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
> Subject: Team3S: OT:  550 Maranello
>=20
> I just got back from a driving my friend's newly acquired 550 =
Maranello.
>=20
> There are no words that I can put together to adequately describe =
this
> car.
> All I can say is "Wow", "Sweet", and "Thank you Mr. Ferrari".
>=20
> I am ruined for life.
>=20
>=20
> Regards,
>=20
> Barry
>=20
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 17:32:54 -0700
> From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
> Subject: RE: Team3S: shifter alignment
>=20
> Our cars use a cable operated shifter.
>=20
> They are beefy cables though.  The real problem in my opinion, or at =
least
> part of it, is the play in the bushings at the cable attachment =
points.
> There is simply too much play.  A good Saturday morning project would =
be
> to
> find appropriately sized bushing and hand cut them to fit the shifter
> assembly perfectly.  I'd bet this would greatly reduce the slop in =
the
> shifter.  I plan to do this to mine within the next month or so.
>=20
>=20
> Regards,
>=20
> Barry
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > Ron-a-roid wrote:
> >
> > > Is there any possibility that the shifters in the 3k is a
> > possible cause of
> > >  some of the trany failures? I've not been real confident in
> > the feel of the
> > >  engagement of the shifter in my 96 VR4, especially in 3rd   =
[snip]
> >
> > I just recently read somewhere that our cars use a cable-operated
> > shifter.  Is this true?  Does this bear any significance to the =
problem
> > at hand?  I have heard people complain that the cable operation is
> > a weak spot in the Eclipse, but I had assumed that our car doesn't
> > use one.  What is the (superior?) alternative in other sports cars?
> >
> > Happy Holidays!
> >
> > --Errin Humphrey
>=20
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> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:51:05 PST
> From: "Zentelis none" <zentelis@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Team3S: Happy Holidrives
>=20
> Happy Holidays to everyone :)
> Santa still hasn't gotten back to me about my Stealth
>=20
> oh, if no one minds a question from an amature, on a Twin Turbo, is =
an=20
> intercooler recquired for each turbo kits?
>=20
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> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:28:20 -0500
> From: RPM Motorsports <rpmmotorsport@adelphia.net>
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Oil Survey
>=20
> 1. Vehicle:             1991 3000GT VR-4
> 2. Current mileage:     68,000
> 3. Oil weight:         15W-50
> 4. Oil brand:           Mobil 1
> 5. Filter brand:        Fram
> 6. Additives:           None
> 7. Change frequency:    3000 Miles
> 8. Observations:                Will start ticking at around the 3000
> Mile mark. But is much quieter than with 10W-30
>=20
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:30:45 EST
> From: VR4Power@aol.com
> Subject: Re:  Re: Team3S: Oil Survey
>=20
> In a message dated 12/21/98 12:29:55 AM, you wrote:
>=20
> <<1. Vehicle:             1991 3000GT VR-4
> 2. Current mileage:     68,000
> 3. Oil weight:         15W-50
> 4. Oil brand:           Mobil 1
> 5. Filter brand:        Fram
> 6. Additives:           None
> 7. Change frequency:    3000 Miles
> 8. Observations:                Will start ticking at around the 3000
> Mile mark. But is much quieter than with 10W-30>>
>=20
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 02:11:12 -0500
> From: josesini <josesini@engin.umich.edu>
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Oil Survey
>=20
> ><1. Vehicle:             1992 Stealth R/T TT
> > 2. Current mileage:     72,900
> > 3. Oil weight:          15W-50
> > 4. Oil brand:           Mobil 1
> > 5. Filter brand:        Mitsu
> > 6. Additives:           Fuel Additive: Redline SI-1 good for 5 =
tanks of
> gas.  But once every 3000 miles I use one bottle for one tank of gas. =
I
> hope to clear valve sediments.
> > 7. Change frequency:    3000 Miles
> > 8. Observations:        Almost no ticking.  Only when cold and =
almost
> unaudible.
> > Mile mark. But is much quieter than with when I got it at 64,000 =
miles.
> >
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:36:01 -0700
> From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Oil Survey
>=20
> 1. Vehicle:             1994 3000GT VR-4
> 2. Current mileage:     63,000
> 3. Oil weight:          10W-30
> 4. Oil brand:           Mobil 1
> 5. Filter brand:        OEM
> 6. Additives:           None
> 7. Change frequency:    3000 Miles
> 8. Observations:        Period ticking, especially nearing oil =
change.
> Just
> tore down the engine.  Cross hatch still on cylinder walls.  All =
bearings
> and mating/thrust surfaces in perfect condition.  Zero coking in oil
> return
> lines.
>=20
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:43:36 -0800
> From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Oil survey - revised
>=20
> 1. Vehicle:             1994 Stealth NT
> 2. Current mileage:     17,000
> 3. Oil weight:          10W-30
> 4. Oil brand:           Mobil 1 (synthetic)
> 5. Filter brand:        OEM
> 6. Additives:           None
> 7. Change frequency:    Every 3.5K miles
> 8. Observations:        Lifter tick driving home from showroom; =
crankcase
> was 1/2 qt low and tick lessened when it was topped off, but =
continued
> through break-in.  Changed to Mobil 1 at 500 miles, and tick =
disappeared
> was
> never repeated.  No oil burned ever, but went through ~1/2 QT once =
running
> at 120+ for about an hour...
>=20
> Merry Christmas, Folks!
>=20
> Forrest
>=20
>=20
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:29:11 EST
> From: Aso8@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Oil Survey
>=20
> In a message dated 12/21/98 12:29:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> rpmmotorsport@adelphia.net writes:
>=20
> << 1. Vehicle:          1991 3000GT VR-4
>  2. Current mileage: 117500 (First 80K by prior owner)
>  3. Oil weight:          10W-30
>  4. Oil brand:           Mobil 1
>  5. Filter brand:        Factory
>  6. Additives:           None (Have used Marvel Mystery Oil)
>  7. Change frequency:    3000 Miles
>  8. Observations:  >> Runs very well
> Arty 91 VR-4
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:10:09 EST
> From: TTurboAWD@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Oil Survey
>=20
> 1) Vehicle: 1992 Stealth TT
> 2) Mileage: 59,000 Miles
> 3) Oil Weight: 10w-30
> 4) Oil Brand: Mobil 1
> 5) Filter Brand: OEM
> 6) Additives: None
> 7) Change Frequency: 3,000 Miles
> 8) Observations: No lifter ticking. They were replaced at 48,000=20
>                          miles under extended warranty due to tick.
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>
> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 09:10:55 -0700
> From: "Jeffrey Young" <jefyoung@ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Oil Survey
>=20
> 1. Vehicle:             92 RT/Turbo
> 2. Current mileage:     72,000
> 3. Oil weight:         10W-30
> 4. Oil brand:           Redline
> 5. Filter brand:        Mits OEM
> 6. Additives:           None
> 7. Change frequency:    3-5K Miles
> 8. Observations:
>=20
> Jeffrey
> 92 RT/Turbo
> www.omega-sw.com/stealth
>=20
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>=20
>=20
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20
> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:23:45 -0800
> From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Oil Survey
>=20
> Just had to reply ...sounds like a new engine Barry, dispite the =
teeney
> weeney problem
> : )
>=20
> Darc
>=20
> Barry E. King wrote:
>=20
> > 1. Vehicle:             1994 3000GT VR-4
> > 2. Current mileage:     63,000
> > 3. Oil weight:          10W-30
> > 4. Oil brand:           Mobil 1
> > 5. Filter brand:        OEM
> > 6. Additives:           None
> > 7. Change frequency:    3000 Miles
> > 8. Observations:        Period ticking, especially nearing oil =
change.
> Just
> > tore down the engine.  Cross hatch still on cylinder walls.  All
> bearings
> > and mating/thrust surfaces in perfect condition.  Zero coking in =
oil
> return
> > lines.
> >
> > For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>=20
>=20
>=20
> For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
> http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20
> End of Team3S Digest V1 #53
> ***************************
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1. Vehicle:             1992 3000GT
2. Current mileage:     95,000
3. Oil weight:          10W-30
4. Oil brand:           Redline (synthetic)
5. Filter brand:        OEM
6. Additives:           None
7. Change frequency:    Every 5-6k miles
8. Observations:        Seems like Mobil 1 is the most popular oil on this
list.  Is it the price, or some miraculous aspect about it?  Never tried
Mobil 1, but have always been happy with Redline's product.

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Michael;

I have rerouted my response to your questions as a"forward" at this
point, as  I suspect my first response was screened out, perhaps fearing
it as a reply to your entire Digest. Had I done that, (and  I didn't
)members would have suffered through the posting of the digest
twice..reasons for not doing so, deliniated below.

Darc

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Yo bro;

When you want to resond to any item on the list, you will have to manually
select and input "the subject" (or ask Roger for advice on how to bypass this
with a digest subscription). Simply hitting the respond button, reposts the
entire digest along with your question. Unlike other lists, we do not have a lot
of traffic, and try to keep it to serious 3S technology...so you might simply
consider unsubscribing from the digest version and subscribing to a regular post
version. Reposting an entire digest is not advised.

About your your problem...add some octane boost for starters to insure your gas
is up to snuff. Then make certain you always have high octane when you fill.
Assuming it's not gas, you could disconnect your battery (positive terminal) for
5 or 10 minutes, then reconnect and start the computer learn cycle again. I t
may help...try slow acceleration from 2000 rpm up, in 2nd  and 3rd gears...4th
if you have open roads,  to perform this leartn cycle. Give the computer time to
learn these parameters. Then, when you are satisfied this is input,  try a WOT
acceleration in the same. If the problem still is there, try it a few more times
at the slow acceleration, and then WOT again. If none of this helps, I would get
the leak fixed, as you'll have to do that anyway. If the wires have been
saturated for a long time and cannot be cleaned, you'll have to  replace them as
well. A cheap wire option might be a recently hammered TT at a wrecking yard, if
the Christmas season has impacted your pocket change...perferably one with low
kms.  That's about all I can think of off the top of my head. I'm sure other
team members may have other suggestions.

Darc

92 Stealth TT   Victoria BC


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Michael,

First, an admin advice, please never reply the whole message or the WHOLE DIGEST
! Thanks !

> I have recently acquired a new vehicle.  I picked up a stock 91StealthTT

Wlcome to the boosted world :)

> The head covers are leaking a small amount of oil and it is pooling
> around the spark plug where they meet the wires.  Also mentioned, the wires
> are oil soaked.

Is this leaking visible ? You can easily pull the front spark plug cover by
removing the black screws. Then just pull the plug wires (of course at the boot)
and inspect them for any oil. Also pull the front plugs to check the  gap and
condition. How's your mileage ? As I suppose the car has around 60k the question
arises if the 60k service (timing belt and more) has been done already.

> However, what is happening is that as this increase occurs it eventually
> becomes too much and shorts the spark right to the block because the pooled
> oil in contact with the plug.  Solution, fix the oil leak, new plug wires
> and give it a try.

No, if the spark ignites to the block then the spark is gone. If the plugs are
soaked up to the contact then you have a much more serious problem. I agree with
the wires to be exchanged (take better than stock ones) but I'd also inspect the
plugs at the same time. The rear ones are a PITA if you're not familiar as you
have to remove the  air intake part and this is not easy if you do it the first
time. But with patience and some time it can be done. We can send you scanned
papers from the manual and of course we'll help you remotely :)

> Do you agree with the dealer's diagnosis or does the source of this problem
> lie elsewhere.

What you're describing could also be a hesitation caused by the timing to be
retarded. But as your car is bone stock I doubt that this is your problem. I
therefore would say that the cause lies in the ignition or the mixture.

For the mixture, try to loosen the two front clamps on the black plastic part
that has an ellbow that leads to the throttle body attached to the intake
manifold (TwinTurbo written on it). This is called the Intercooler y-pipe. Pull
those two hoses that are commign from the Intercoolers and inspect the inside
for too much oil deposit. This caused some "uneven" acceleration on mine as the
intake got clogged (including valves). It's very easy and a 15 minutes check.

I'm almost sure that the dealer hasn't checked the rear plugs as it would take
him at least an hour. If he did, then he's a moron not changing the plugs and
wires at the same time ! Therefore, my advice is to check the front bank first
(very easy) and check the intake hoses for too much oil (a slight film is normal
but no lakes).

Hope this helps a little and I'm sure others have more ideas.

Regards, Roger

-----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)


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Jack, thanks for your input on my oil level problem :)

> The oil level switch COULD still reflect oil pressure; if oil in pan is
> very low, and pump is intermittently suckng air (oil pressure near zero
> transiently) the oil pressure GUAGE won't reflect this well because it
> has such a slow rate of change; needle takes awhile to get to new
> values.

I'm really not sure to this as the pressure should go lower over a longer
period. On the Autobahn I had speed around 120mph as the ligh came on. I lifted
the throttle and the light went off. I then reset the cruise speed and the light
did not came on again until the next hill. But over a longer period this should
have been visible on the gauge as well.

> I don't know if it is tied into oil pressure, though.  Sounds like you
> are pumping alot of oil to the top end of the motor (valvecovers), and
> getting caught up in crank windage at sustained high speeds.

Correct, absolutely my thoughts. I think I just run too thin oil for the car
with the new pistons and rings. When looking into the valve cover the thing as
enough oil everywhere !

> You could consider 1) having a deeper oilpan made up

Gulp, I never had this problem before the pistons went south. So I think this
meight help but does not cure the cause.

> 2) an oil pressure reservoir, that will send pressurized oil into system

Yes, if the pressure IS the problem.

> 3) overfilling the crankcase (Full mark plus 1/4-1/2 more or so).

Ok, I'm at the top mark now and think that with the thicker oil I'm back on the
good side. Maybe the formula has changed of the light oils and they are thinner
than expected now.

> Hope this gives some ideas!

Yes, it did. Also the survey helps to see the range of oils the people are
running. I'll definitely fill up the crank the next time with 10W50 synthetics
and will check out the behaivour.

Thanks again,
Roger

-----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)

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Michael...

This suggestion came via an attachment from Darc...

<snip>

If the wires have been saturated for a long time and cannot be cleaned,
you'll have to replace them as well. A cheap wire option might be a recently
hammered TT at a wrecking yard, if the Christmas season has impacted your
pocket change...preferably one with low
kms.  That's about all I can think of off the top of my head. I'm sure other
team members may have other suggestions. Darc

<end of snip>

I still have my factory wires which I replaced with Magnecores at 27.5K. If
you end up needing another set, you can make me a reasonable offer.
BTW...I'm with Darc on resetting your computer. It's always a good starting
point. Even though having fluid (of any sort) in the plug wells would not be
a good thing, I find it difficult to imagine that it's grounding your wires
(that's what your explanation of the dealers words sounds like to me). There
is at least an eighth of an inch of rubber surrounding that insulator and it
shouldn't soak up oil very well.

Looking forward...Chris

"Friends don't let friends ride with me"

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4

-----Original Message-----
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Michael;

I have rerouted my response to your questions as a "forward" at this
point, as  I suspect my first response was screened out, perhaps fearing
it as a reply to your entire Digest. Had I done that, (and I didn't)
members would have suffered through the posting of the digest
twice..reasons for not doing so, deliniated below.

Darc
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Hi Group;

I inadvertently advised Michael O. of the wrong wise man recently (there
are few here) when I was referring to Digest use. Jim M.  posted in the
past on this topic when we were all huddled together at Stealth
@starnet.net. The particular Digest this advice appears in there is
#608, and he explains therein how to use filters on Netscape properly if
one wants to use the Digest version, and respond to individual topics
within it, without posting the whole half acre back at us. I indicated,
in error, to query Roger on this, however, although his wisdom is
legend, it was Jim who I meant. : ) : ) : )

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Well everyone my Nissan decided to give up its ghost so I had to drive
my 3000 for awhile and its been one exciting driving time especially in
this last snow storm we just had here in Denver Colorado!!! Well Next
Monday I'll be taking delivery of a 92 Infiniti Q45 and I know this is
not list related but by any chance do any of you know someone  that has
performed any upgrades for these. I have a stillen catalog already and
their prices are always too high so I was seeing if there are any other
companies out there that I don't know about???  Thanks
Oh Ps

Good luck to all of you especially Todd with gt-alley. I'm thankful this
came about now since I was 2 weeks away of ordering their 368 turbos :(
Ohwell guess I got to go back with the greddy setup. :)


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Peter,
Brian just delivered a set of 368s to one of my customers Friday and he is
telling me he will make me more.  Let me know if you are interested.
Frank
www.acceleratedaccessories.com
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>Well everyone my Nissan decided to give up its ghost so I had to drive
>my 3000 for awhile and its been one exciting driving time especially in
>this last snow storm we just had here in Denver Colorado!!! Well Next
>Monday I'll be taking delivery of a 92 Infiniti Q45 and I know this is
>not list related but by any chance do any of you know someone  that has
>performed any upgrades for these. I have a stillen catalog already and
>their prices are always too high so I was seeing if there are any other
>companies out there that I don't know about???  Thanks
>Oh Ps
>
>Good luck to all of you especially Todd with gt-alley. I'm thankful this
>came about now since I was 2 weeks away of ordering their 368 turbos :(
>Ohwell guess I got to go back with the greddy setup. :)
>
>
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1. Vehicle:                 1993 vr-4
2. Current mileage:         87,000  (42k miles last year)
3. Oil weight:              10W-30
4. Oil brand:               Mobil 1 Synthetic
5. Filter brand:            Pure One
6. Additives:               None
7. Change frequency:        Every 3-4K miles
8. Observations:            Oil all over the ground (nothing to do with the
oil  but a leak some place... It's going to Mits for a look
tomorrow :)



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>
>1. Vehicle:                 91 stealth rt/tt
>2. Current mileage:         43958
>3. Oil weight:              10w30 (winter) 5w50 (summer)
4. Oil brand:               Castrol Syntec (synthetic)
>5. Filter brand:            NAPA
>6. Additives:               None
>7. Change frequency:        Every 3k miles
>8. Observations:            Never had a lifter tick.

Oil pressure seems to run a little lower on the 10-30
than the 5w50 under normal highway rpm. (2100-2500rpm)
Oil seems to hold up well under the extreme Idaho temp
swings. -20d winters to 110d summers. Nice chilly -7
weather today...tom.
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1. Vehicle:          1994 TT
2. Current mileage:  67,500  (34k miles of ownership, 18k miles since
mods)
3. Oil weight:       10W-40
4. Oil brand:        Castrol GTX until 50k miles, then Mobil 1
5. Filter brand:     Mitsubishi OEM
6. Additives:        None
7. Change frequency: Every 3k miles with Castrol, every 5K miles with
Mobil
8. Observations:     Immediately after purchasing the car (with 34k
miles on the
odometer), car was run with NO oil whatsoever for between
two and five minutes and speeds from idle to 60 mph due
to the oil drain plug being loose and falling out (that will
teach me to buy a Dodge-badged Mitsu from a Ford dealer!).
After surviving a near-death experience and weeks (months?)
of thinking I was hearing abnormal sounds on an unfamiliar
engine, all is fine, moderate lifter tick audible only after
engine is warm and has been idling. 

--
Jim Matthews - Wiesbaden, Germany
matthews@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (64 Kbps ISDN)
http://rover.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~matthews

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Hello All,

Great list. I'm glad I made it over here.

I am going to replace my plugs and wires over Christmas.
I'm using stock plugs, and Accel premade wires. I don't have any mods yet
(except K&N). I am planning on putting on a boost controller this spring.
What is the recommended gap? I've seen .028 up to .045. Most of the
knowledgeable people seem to have migrated over here, so I trust your
opinions.

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Todd:

We just changed my plugs and wires, and gapped the plugs at 0.034.  Huge
difference.  Input and direction was gained and appreciated from Barry.
I used stock wires due to low funds, and my car is bone stock.

Thanks,

Scott
'92 VR4

>I am going to replace my plugs and wires over Christmas.
>What is the recommended gap? I've seen .028 up to .045.
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1. Vehicle:                       1996 3000GT VR-4
2. Current mileage:        3240
3. Oil weight:                   15W-50
4. Oil brand:                     Mobil 1
5. Filter brand:                 Fram EVERY CHANGE
6. Additives:                     None
7. Change frequency:      3000 Miles
8. Observations:              nothing yet




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Try .34 and if you can afford it, go with Platinum NKG plugs. Plug  gaps
as small as .28 have been advised, but as a recent thread indicated, you
get a larger spark with a larger gap.  .34 is about par for the course.
I have not seen .45 suggested and seriously doubt a stock system is
involved if such a Grand Canyon gap was ever recommended.

Darc

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Todd...

I have Magnecore wires and HKS double platinum plugs gapped at .034...which
boost controller are you going to buy?

Looking forward...Chris

"Friends don't let friends ride with me"

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4 

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What is the recommended gap? I've seen .028 up to .045.

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Thanks Chris for not correcting the obvious (.34 should read .034, etc)  I just looked
up the specs in the shop manual and they actually recommend from .039 to .043, which is
a whole bunch wider than most of us run ours at. So, my comment on Grand Canyon gap
(.045) is apparently a bit off target, as that upper end of the spectrum is indeed used.

Darc

Chris Winkley wrote:

> Todd...
>
> I have Magnecore wires and HKS double platinum plugs gapped at .034...which
> boost controller are you going to buy?
>
>



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1. Vehicle: 93 Stealth ES (DOHC)
2. Current mileage: 102K
3. Oil weight: 10W30
4. Oil brand: Valvoline (non-synthetic)
5. Filter brand: [gulp] whatever The Grease Pit puts in, never checked,
insert favorite chastisement here.
6. Additives: used Slick50 at about 12K, when I first got it, since learned
the error of my ways...
7. Change frequency: Every 3-4K
8. Observations: No unscheduled maintenance (except for a clutch replaced
under warranty), no leaks, only had noticeable (LOUD) lifter noise once
after it had been parked for several weeks, very very light lifter noise now
(at least that's what I assume it is...), still my favoritest car!

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Les,
There are a few possibilities.
1. Use a Borla system which would require cutting out the right side notch
in the rear bumper(I am told there is an outline on the back side of the
bumper cover) Then you would have dual exhaust, nice sound and a few
HP+..Cost=$715
2. Purchase a polished stainless steel muffler with your choice of tip
styles from us for ~$200 and have local shop install on factory pipe if ok
for~$50 or fabricate new pipe for ~$150 also nice sound + few HP cost
$250-350. (retains single side exhaust)
3. Purchase 2 tips and have local shop fabricate dual system with or without
muffler ~$150(we can provide polished muffler for $145 and tips for ~$50 ea.
depending on style and size) Cost=$400 w/muffler mellow sound. Cost w/o
muffler ~$250 pretty loud.
Hope this helps.
Frank
www.acceleratedaccessories.com
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>Gentlemen:
>
>I have a 1992 Dodge Stealth (base model) and am looking for an exhaust
system.
>This is the single exhaust model.  I'm looking for something to give a
slight
>increase in horsepower and sound nice.  Is there anything available?
>
>Thanks,
>Les White
>

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I thought this would be a good topic for discussion here as well.
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Joshua wrote:
Unorthodox Underdrive Pulleys:
> I have heard some people say they aren't any good and other say they are
> great.  Any info would be greatly appreciated.

I would not get one.  Though they are a PULLEY, they are not any longer
HARMONIC DAMPENERS.  The original purpose of that heavy disc on the
front of all car engines is as a harmonic dampener; Mitsu just added a
serpentine belt pulley on its outside aspect as a space-saving effort,
so it does 2 functions at once.  The original and more important
function is still dampening crankshaft harmonics. 

A crank is a long, rigid metal shape; if you tap with a hammer it
"rings" (especially forged cranks; cast cranks have some internal
dampening).  So what?  Well, a hammer hitting it is only ONE way to
cause the crank to RESONATE and exhibit harmonic VIBRATIONS.  Another
way is to RUN the engine!  The engine is a vibration factory (as we all
know)...and if left undamped, crank harmonics can build up at certain
(harmonic) rpms and these vibrations DON'T just disappear, they have to
be DISSIPATED!  The best way to dissipate them is via the
SPECIFICALLY-DESIGNED-TO-DO-THIS "Harmonic Dampener" hanging off the
front of the crank.  It has an elastomeric (rubber) isolator between the
hub and the HEAVY outer ring, and is as a unit, designed to damp
harmonics at the critical frequencies seen by the crank. 

The heavier the outer ring, the better it damps, and the higher its
efficiency at damping.  NASCAR LONGtrack engines use HEAVY dampeners, to
allow the bearings to live the long race length; the shorter the race,
the more often the bearings get changed (after EVERY RACE), the LIGHTER
a dampener can be used because lighter is a little faster to accelerate
the engine due to lower rotational inertia.  You are trading
bearing/crank life for speed.  Where do YOU want to go on this?  Are you
lucky?

The OTHER way to damp harmonic energy (which MUST GO SOMEWHERE) is
through the main bearings, into the main bearing saddles on the BLOCK.
This can cause premature wear/fatigue/flaking of main bearings, and
cracks in the main bearing saddles on the block.  This is a poor
tradeoff for "an underdrive pulley".

Does this ALWAYS happen?  No.  Some people may not push their cars very
hard very often; some may not do longtrack racing; some may not keep
their cars long enough to discover the bearing wear, or to crack
anything; the underlying design may be robust enough to cover over this
MISTAKE in parts selection.  There is a pretty big industry in harmonic
dampeners, different TECHNIQUES for dampening (Fluidampr, ATI, BHJ, "The
Rattler", etc) but they ALL DAMPEN HARMONICS because it is important.
There may be some FREQUENTLY REBUILT race engines (?CART) that are not
using dampeners but IF you think their ENGINEERS have not taken crank
harmonics into account in their multi-multimillion dollar engine design,
THEN there are worthless bridges to be sold to you...and foolish
pennywise-pound foolish _NON DAMPENING_ "PULLEYS" to be sold.

As a person who comes to the hobby from an enginebuilder's standpoint
(not sales/driver/etc) this misinformation about "you don't need a
dampener" or when that fails "our unorthodox pulley does the same thing"
is sad.  It gets down to this.  Do ya feel lucky?  Well, do ya...?
[Clint would say "punk" but that isn't my direction, just a good line
:)  ]  This is an insult to your engine's health.  It MAY take it in
stride; but it is an offense.  I respect my hardworking engine too much
to burden it with the sometimes insane levels of harmonics that can
occur without harmonic dampener protection.  Where else are you going to
cut corners?  What other basic enginebuilding good practices is one
going to spit on, and WHICH will be the straw that breaks the camel's
back...eventually?

Jack Tertadian
This is a hotbutton issue with me.  I never thought having a harmonic
dampener would be considered "conservative enginebuilding" by
some...geez.

ps if anyone is interested in a REAL HARMONIC DAMPENER with underdrive
for our cars, I am looking into having some made, because NHRA rules
require an SFI-approved harmonic balancer for cars going into the 11's.
With all the IDRA etc drag groups out there using NHRA tracks, better to
be legal BEFORE someone challenges it/you and disqualifies you...

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Darcy:

For the TT, 0.045" would be too wide/hot.  For the NT cars, however, it
isn't.  I've been running at 0.045" since I did my 60k.

Rich


wce@bc.sympatico.ca wrote:

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> [...]  I just looked up the specs in the shop manual and
> they actually recommend from .039 to .043, which is a whole
> bunch wider than most of us run ours at. So, my comment on
> Grand Canyon gap (.045) is apparently a bit off target, as
> that upper end of the spectrum is indeed used.
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Jack,

Thanks for the tome on the pulleys-as-dampeners.  That leads to another
question or two.

Isn't the dynamic balancing done on the crankshaft sufficient to dampen
the vibrations? 

Would it be accurate to describe the pulleys as a "flywheel"?  Is there
any kind of inertial energy storage/recovery involved here?

Thanks.

Dennis Moore
stealth@kiva.net

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Todd Schmalzried wrote:
> I am going to replace my plugs and wires over Christmas.
> I'm using stock plugs, and Accel premade wires. I don't have any mods yet
> (except K&N). I am planning on putting on a boost controller this spring.
> What is the recommended gap? I've seen .028 up to .045. Most of the
> knowledgeable people seem to have migrated over here, so I trust your
> opinions.
> Todd Schmalzried                

For your situation, .028-.032 ok.  Our ignitions are somewhat weak.
Larger gaps make a tad more power all else equal because they have
better chance of lighting mix...but if so large and boost so high spark
too weak and it DOESN'T light mix you sputter misfire and lose ALOT,
compared to little loss with tighter gap. 
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Dennis Moore wrote:
> Thanks for the tome on the pulleys-as-dampeners.  That leads to another
> question or two.
> Isn't the dynamic balancing done on the crankshaft sufficient to dampen
> the vibrations?

No.  That is important:  BALANCE of a crankshaft system does not mean it
has no HARMONICS.  An imbalance leads to vibration, the magnitude of
which a function of the amount (mass) of imbalance, the RPM of the
crank, and the moment of inertia of the imbalance (farther away from
crank centerline leads to more vibration amplitude).

HARMONICS is a function of rpm, elastic modulus etc...stiffer/shorter
has higher frequency harmonics than a longer/"looser" less rigid
system.  It can be in perfect balance, but hit it with a hammer and it
still RINGS!

> Would it be accurate to describe the pulleys as a "flywheel"?  Is there
> any kind of inertial energy storage/recovery involved here?

The Unorthodox Racing Pulleys are not harmonic dampeners, they are
simple pulleys.  As a mass spinning along with the crank, they also
serve to store some energy (as does the stock harmonic dampener) so YES,
they also act in part as a flywheel...but with low mass/low diameter,
not a whole LOT of flywheel energy compared to the actual flyweel on the
BACK of the engine.

> Thanks.  Dennis Moore

No probs!  Maybe we have some mechanical engieer/physics wonks who can
delve into harmonics more accurately than I...
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Rich;

I didn't think of the NT as having  a different gap, but then again, I didn't think.
Thanks for clearing it up. The manual makes no mention of a difference between the two
(NT and TT) and only differentials between plugs for SOHC and DOHC... no mention of gap
difference. Since they advise .039-.043 in, >>>>what would you suggest? Consensus from
team (Barry, Roger, Errin, Jim, Mikael, Jack, Bob, Tod, et all ?)

NT   .039-.043 ?
TT    .028-.035 ?

Darc

Please also note an error in a recent post wherein I noted "there are few wise men here"
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Darcy:

In a nutshell, I won't recommend anything other than what the manual
states for an NT, and won't even touch the TT issue.  I'm simply not as
well versed in the boost/gap issue like the noted others.  They've got
the experience with the TT's, not I. 

I opened my NT up to 0.045" specifically looking for a little extra
"oomph" in my attempts to break the 14 second barrier during the season,
(there were those who recommended 0.050", but I thought that might be a
tad hot), and because of laziness, just have never regapped them back to
0.042".  The difference in the gaps, IMO, didn't make an appreciable (to
me) difference in performance, and isn't worth the effort. 

FWIW, the car runs great at 0.045".  Just ask Chris Winkley.  :-)

Rich
Emerald Green 94 R/T

wce@bc.sympatico.ca wrote:
>
>  Rich;
>
<snip>

>>>>what would you suggest? Consensus from
> team (Barry, Roger, Errin, Jim, Mikael, Jack, Bob, Tod, et all ?)
>
> NT   .039-.043 ?
> TT    .028-.035 ?
>
> Darc
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Jack;

I went to the Unorthodox Pulleys site to read up on what they had to say
about there pulleys and harmonic dampening (I know..I know...marketing
B.S.).  They said, and I quote


"Lastly, the misconception that the crank pulleys on these vehicles are
harmonic  dampers. A harmonic damper is a unit bolted to the crankshaft
snout that is completely separate from the belt drive system. An engine that
uses a harmonic damper has the accessory drive crank pulley bolted to it,
they are completely separate pieces that are rarely attached to each other.
None of the vehicles we manufacture pulleys for have harmonic dampers. "

I assume that this is not the case for the 3S?  I haven't pulled the drive
crank pulley off my car to verify, but I WAS considering replacing with one
of the Unorthodox units.....maybe not!


Jeffrey
92 RT/Turbo
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My $0.02 add here:

I do not know anything about the harmonic balancer/pulley on our cars. But we
had this discussion a long time ago on the Camaro/Firebird forum/lists.

Please keep in mind that the 5.7l f-bodies are having an old fashioned single
cam/pushrod/rocker V8 engine. The harmonic balancer is a part of the accessoires
serpentine belt system. Looking at it shows that the thing is made of four
parts. The inner "star" that bolts to the crank, and the "ring. The last is made
of an inner part,a hard rubber part and the outer ring. With this design, there
is alot mass positioned on a larger radius measured from the crank. But due to
the rubber parts any harmonics are dampened and even more such a three-piece
design is more efficient in balancing the crank.

Now, of course we also had the idea to replace this large, heavy thing by a
small aluminum pulley. Weight was reduced by some lbs but then problems came up
with the crank ! Some had problems with a "more shaking feeling", others
reported some damage (especially 11-12s cars). For the power, no tourque gain
was found but up to 10hp on the dyno. Well, this is very relative as the power
steering pump of the f-bodies are a weak point and together with the alternator
and AC these accessoires are stealing power away. As the LT1 switches A/C off at
WOT, power gain now was only related to the alt and pump(s). The average between
40 or more cars with pulleys was about 5-7hp.

At the end, the consensus was that an underdrive pulley CAN free up some horses
used by the accesoires. The more important was weight saving but here the
problem kicked in. Some companies then designed new harmonic dampening
underdrive pulleys. But they are very expensive and not worth the few horses, if
any. All LT1 with underdrive pulleys (as me too) do now have the design that
still uses the stock blancer, but on top of the new inderdrive pulley :) This
means you have slowed down the acc and still having the good balancing. As
there's some room in the f-bodies this was no problem (only longer bolts).

On my car the underdrive freed up nothing at all :( Furthermore tha alt is
slowed down too much not giving enough power when sitting at the lights. I had
to get an overdrive puelly for the alt then. For me the positive thig was that
the power steering pump was slowed down about 25%. Before the pulley I always
had this anoying whine when turning the wheel. Also some fluid went away to ???
after some times. All these problems are gone now and this is the only reason
why I run the underdrive pulley ! Another proud member has a good website on
this information : http://www.ws6.com/mod-2.htm

Back to our cars, the accessoires do not steal alot hp away. Even more I cannot
see any diff in mileage when I switch A/C on or off. The alt is small a well
designed not to drain to much power into heat like the GM crap (this is fact)
does. Also the pumps are better and I'm sure all these parts counted together
makes the price difference between ours and the f-bodies.

Ok, this leads us to say, an ud pulley does not bring anything than :
a) maybe 2 horses on our cars
b) big hassle to change it
c) less balancing
d) effects of the acc we currently don't know

IMHO, this is not worth the $ you pay for the pulley nor the work you'll have to
do.

Merry Christmas to all
Roger, snow-white Switzerland

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Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)
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> In a nutshell, I won't recommend anything other than what the manual
> states for an NT, and won't even touch the TT issue.

Yeah, put if we increase boost we already touched the TT issue :)

I agree with you on the NT side and would recommend to keep it as it is if no
more MAJOR mods will be done to the car. 0.042 - 0.045 is fine.

For the TT it depends on the mods, fuel, gaps, etc. Running the good NGK
Platinums, with boost around 1.00bars a gap of 0.034 is enough. The higher the
boost somewhat smaller the gap. An earlier consensus I remember of is running at
1.2bars a gap around 0.028 is a good value.

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Hey friends,

I got many messages the last week with people asking about the DSBC and how to
tune it in. Well, Mikael and me where about the first guys that used this thing
in a 3000GT and we tuned it in with a japanese manual and the help of Chien from
Nexus who installed it in his DSM car.

It seems that Blitz will never improove their "brochure" like manual and I
decided to create a web-page with all the pics and steps for tuning in the
stuff. Of course, it is not finalized yet and it only consists of how to set
limiter, Gain and Ratio. There are still some deeper explanations necessary but
I'm currently not sure if this is good for a newbie as well as for the pro. I
just want to be sure to go the right way.

I'd highly appreciate if you guys could have a short look at this "not official"
site and give me your comment on the easyness or hardness for understanding the
stuff I wrote down. It is my intention to help the people who are not that
familiar with the stuff and are not that skilled to do the installation by
themselfes. Unfortunately, almost every dealer who installed the DSBC was not
able to tell if it is working or not. Therefore they did not know how to tune it
in. So how should the user know then ??

Please have a look at :
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/9589/dbsc_manual.html

Please excuse the &%%ç GeoCities stuff but I'll move to another server soon.

Thanks in advance for any feedback,
Roger

-----------------------
Roger Gerl, Switzerland
93'3000GT TwinTurbo (Animale Rosso)

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Great page Roger,  Much needed info on this product.


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>I got many messages the last week with people asking about the DSBC and how
to
>tune it in

>http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/9589/dbsc_manual.html


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Here is what Unorthodox Racing has to say on the subject. Your
results may vary, of course:


2) "Isn't my crank/eccentric pulley a harmonic/torsional or vibrational
damper ?"

The factory pulleys on late model cars (from 1986 to Present, sometimes
earlier depending on the vehicle) serve two functions. First, they are
designed to reduce the noises the accessories make when the engine is
running. This is due to the factory fanaticism about making a quiet car for
the occupants, it has nothing to do with engine function.

The second function of late model crank pulleys is torsional damping.
Torsional damping is necessary due to the excessive diameter and weight of
the factory crank pulleys. The design of our crank pulleys eliminates the
need for any torsional damping for two reasons: a) the diameter of our crank
pulleys is smaller than the original designs, therefore effectively reducing
the force the accessories have on the crankshaft, b) most importantly, our
pulleys are significantly lighter than their OEM counterparts (anywhere from
3 to 10 lbs.).

Lastly, the misconception that the crank pulleys on these vehicles are
harmonic dampers. A harmonic damper is a unit bolted to the crankshaft snout
that is completely separate from the belt drive system. An engine that uses
a harmonic damper has the accessory drive crank pulley bolted to it, they
are completely separate pieces that are rarely attached to each other. None
of the vehicles we manufacture pulleys for have harmonic dampers.

It is important for owners who have engines that use balance shafts to
understand that if they eliminate their balance shafts they must have their
engines balanced to 0 grams if they plan to purchase or continue to use our
crank pulleys . Our pulleys are almost perfectly balanced. 6061 is a very
consistent material and the CNC machining process ensures that our pulleys
are perfectly true.


So there ya have it... I'm not sure WHAT to think now. :o

--------------------------------------
Dave Allison
Network Engineer
Siebel Systems, Inc.




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Dennis Moore wrote:
> Thanks for the tome on the pulleys-as-dampeners.  That leads to another
> question or two.
> Isn't the dynamic balancing done on the crankshaft sufficient to dampen
> the vibrations?

No.  That is important:  BALANCE of a crankshaft system does not mean it
has no HARMONICS.  An imbalance leads to vibration, the magnitude of
which a function of the amount (mass) of imbalance, the RPM of the
crank, and the moment of inertia of the imbalance (farther away from
crank centerline leads to more vibration amplitude).

HARMONICS is a function of rpm, elastic modulus etc...stiffer/shorter
has higher frequency harmonics than a longer/"looser" less rigid
system.  It can be in perfect balance, but hit it with a hammer and it
still RINGS!

> Would it be accurate to describe the pulleys as a "flywheel"?  Is there
> any kind of inertial energy storage/recovery involved here?

The Unorthodox Racing Pulleys are not harmonic dampeners, they are
simple pulleys.  As a mass spinning along with the crank, they also
serve to store some energy (as does the stock harmonic dampener) so YES,
they also act in part as a flywheel...but with low mass/low diameter,
not a whole LOT of flywheel energy compared to the actual flyweel on the
BACK of the engine.

> Thanks.  Dennis Moore

No probs!  Maybe we have some mechanical engieer/physics wonks who can
delve into harmonics more accurately than I...
Jack Tertadian
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   Although I can't be positive the Unorthodox pulley is 100% liable, I know a
Stealth tt and a VR4 that have had bearing/crank failure after running the
Unorthodox crank pulley.  I personally decided against one for the reasons
Jack pointed out below (even though they DO make a noticible difference in
power).

TTYLater,
Mike Mahaffey
'94 Stealth tt
Best et: 11.6 Best mph: 121.58


In a message dated 98-12-23 11:36:07 EST, you write:

<< Joshua wrote:
Unorthodox Underdrive Pulleys:
> I have heard some people say they aren't any good and other say they are
> great.  Any info would be greatly appreciated.

I would not get one.  Though they are a PULLEY, they are not any longer
HARMONIC DAMPENERS.  The original purpose of that heavy disc on the
front of all car engines is as a harmonic dampener; Mitsu just added a
serpentine belt pulley on its outside aspect as a space-saving effort,
so it does 2 functions at once.  The original and more important
function is still dampening crankshaft harmonics. 

A crank is a long, rigid metal shape; if you tap with a hammer it
"rings" (especially forged cranks; cast cranks have some internal
dampening).  So what?  Well, a hammer hitting it is only ONE way to
cause the crank to RESONATE and exhibit harmonic VIBRATIONS.  Another
way is to RUN the engine!  The engine is a vibration factory (as we all
know)...and if left undamped, crank harmonics can build up at certain
(harmonic) rpms and these vibrations DON'T just disappear, they have to
be DISSIPATED!  The best way to dissipate them is via the
SPECIFICALLY-DESIGNED-TO-DO-THIS "Harmonic Dampener" hanging off the
front of the crank.  It has an elastomeric (rubber) isolator between the
hub and the HEAVY outer ring, and is as a unit, designed to damp
harmonics at the critical frequencies seen by the crank. 

The heavier the outer ring, the better it damps, and the higher its
efficiency at damping.  NASCAR LONGtrack engines use HEAVY dampeners, to
allow the bearings to live the long race length; the shorter the race,
the more often the bearings get changed (after EVERY RACE), the LIGHTER
a dampener can be used because lighter is a little faster to accelerate
the engine due to lower rotational inertia.  You are trading
bearing/crank life for speed.  Where do YOU want to go on this?  Are you
lucky?

The OTHER way to damp harmonic energy (which MUST GO SOMEWHERE) is
through the main bearings, into the main bearing saddles on the BLOCK.
This can cause premature wear/fatigue/flaking of main bearings, and
cracks in the main bearing saddles on the block.  This is a poor
tradeoff for "an underdrive pulley".

Does this ALWAYS happen?  No.  Some people may not push their cars very
hard very often; some may not do longtrack racing; some may not keep
their cars long enough to discover the bearing wear, or to crack
anything; the underlying design may be robust enough to cover over this
MISTAKE in parts selection.  There is a pretty big industry in harmonic
dampeners, different TECHNIQUES for dampening (Fluidampr, ATI, BHJ, "The
Rattler", etc) but they ALL DAMPEN HARMONICS because it is important.
There may be some FREQUENTLY REBUILT race engines (?CART) that are not
using dampeners but IF you think their ENGINEERS have not taken crank
harmonics into account in their multi-multimillion dollar engine design,
THEN there are worthless bridges to be sold to you...and foolish
pennywise-pound foolish _NON DAMPENING_ "PULLEYS" to be sold.

As a person who comes to the hobby from an enginebuilder's standpoint
(not sales/driver/etc) this misinformation about "you don't need a
dampener" or when that fails "our unorthodox pulley does the same thing"
is sad.  It gets down to this.  Do ya feel lucky?  Well, do ya...?
[Clint would say "punk" but that isn't my direction, just a good line
:)  ]  This is an insult to your engine's health.  It MAY take it in
stride; but it is an offense.  I respect my hardworking engine too much
to burden it with the sometimes insane levels of harmonics that can
occur without harmonic dampener protection.  Where else are you going to
cut corners?  What other basic enginebuilding good practices is one
going to spit on, and WHICH will be the straw that breaks the camel's
back...eventually?

Jack Tertadian
This is a hotbutton issue with me.  I never thought having a harmonic
dampener would be considered "conservative enginebuilding" by
some...geez.

ps if anyone is interested in a REAL HARMONIC DAMPENER with underdrive
for our cars, I am looking into having some made, because NHRA rules
require an SFI-approved harmonic balancer for cars going into the 11's.
With all the IDRA etc drag groups out there using NHRA tracks, better to
be legal BEFORE someone challenges it/you and disqualifies you... >>
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Looks great!  I remember when I put mine in and we talked about the setting
via email (that was a adventure experimenting).  It's hard to figure out
how to explain the gain setting.  I found that the gain will increase boost
over and is like a base line setting.  But more over the gain will increase
the spool-up speed.  I changed mine from 45 to 50 and found little change
in peak boost but a big change in spike/spool-up.  I think you have nailed
the concepts in the web page very well. 
Also you need to change "live-saver" to "life-saver".  You must have a
great spell checker cause there were no spelling errors (I'm the worst
speller there is so I know what a feat that is and having dyslexia and no
spell check makes my post a real experience to read.
Oh yea you might also note that when setting the DSBC that a run in third
gear at WOT is needed.  If not they'll be suprised at there values in the
first race they have :)

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Todd,

I just installed a new set of stock NGK plugs and Magnecor wires. I also
have HKS filters, HKS exhaust, and an HKS boost controller. I gapped the
plugs at .032 and have had good results. The engine cutout that I was
getting before at about 15 psi disappeared. I have no trouble running it up
to 16 psi now (only for short durations).
I also noticed an increase in boost pressure achieved with the same
settings on my boost controller before the new plugs and wires. I'm not
quite sure the reason for this, but I'm giving the new plugs and gap the
credit.

Jeff.
Belleville, MI
'92 VR4


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Has anyone out there with a non-turbo installed a G-force ecu? I was
planning this as my next modification, but with the cost involved, i
want input as to how effective it is. What do they change from the stock
ecu, the fuel maps, timing, or the ignition? What kind of HP gain can be
realized with this mod? Thanks for any info.

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Hi guys,
I hope you are having a good holiday..
You have not heard form me yet, My name is Marc Jaffe, I am in New York, And I have a 95
VR4 with 62k miles
1)My ABS light has been coming on ..if i restart the car it goes out. I t seems to come on
more when the car has sat for a while. It always goes out when i restart.
A)is one of the sensors failing?
B)how do I tell which?
C)is it a big deal to replace? I see one bolt?
D how much?

next

2)what does the controller box under the the heater vents on the passenger side control?
I have a squeaky fan and when you take off the plastic to get to it there is a box
attached?..Hopefully the squeak is gone..this is just a question of what is it?

3)I have seen some threads on shocks and am questioning if these are a big deal to replace
myself (stock) because of the ECS?

4) my Reciever (infinity) has lost the FM amp but the cassette, cd and AM are fine. It
starts out fine and then fades to almost nothing..the rest are fine..I live and travel on
dirt roads and I am thinking maybe a solder joint is wacked, but that does not compute.
Big deal or cost to repair? I want to keep the setup for now.

I look forward to your responses, and have a good new year
Marc

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Hi Marc,  I can help a little with the FM reception.  Apparently the
Infinity head has a little defect that dodge and mitsu refuse to recall. the
FM curcuit has a defect in the IC section that requires the unit to be sent
in for repair. Dealers are familiar with this problem.

Bob
93 Stealth TT (with intermittant FM reception failure)
-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Jaffe <marc@marcjaffe.com>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Sunday, December 27, 1998 3:07 PM
Subject: Team3S: ABS light


>Hi guys,
>I hope you are having a good holiday..
>You have not heard form me yet, My name is Marc Jaffe, I am in New York,
And I have a 95
>VR4 with 62k miles
>1)My ABS light has been coming on ..if i restart the car it goes out. I t
seems to come on
>more when the car has sat for a while. It always goes out when i restart.
>A)is one of the sensors failing?
>B)how do I tell which?
>C)is it a big deal to replace? I see one bolt?
>D how much?
>
>next
>
>2)what does the controller box under the the heater vents on the passenger
side control?
>I have a squeaky fan and when you take off the plastic to get to it there
is a box
>attached?..Hopefully the squeak is gone..this is just a question of what is
it?
>
>3)I have seen some threads on shocks and am questioning if these are a big
deal to replace
>myself (stock) because of the ECS?
>
>4) my Reciever (infinity) has lost the FM amp but the cassette, cd and AM
are fine. It
>starts out fine and then fades to almost nothing..the rest are fine..I live
and travel on
>dirt roads and I am thinking maybe a solder joint is wacked, but that does
not compute.
>Big deal or cost to repair? I want to keep the setup for now.
>
>I look forward to your responses, and have a good new year
>Marc
>
>For subscribe/unsubscribe info, our web page is
http://www.bobforrest.com/Team3S.htm
>

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Well First thing to check would be the whireing itself.  They have been
know to come off.  This happens right near the strut.  You can take off the
strut cap, which is located on top of the strut (big black rubber cover).
You can then see the wires.  Check to make sure there making a connection
and also fro corrosion. 90% of the time this is what it is. Even better yet
just go to this page on John's site and it will show you how to do this.
http://user.icx.net/~adams/front_strut_wiring_shield_mod.htm

At 03:07 PM 12/27/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi guys,
>I hope you are having a good holiday..
>You have not heard form me yet, My name is Marc Jaffe, I am in New York,
And I have a 95
>VR4 with 62k miles
>1)My ABS light has been coming on ..if i restart the car it goes out. I t
seems to come on
>more when the car has sat for a while. It always goes out when i restart.
>A)is one of the sensors failing?
>B)how do I tell which?
>C)is it a big deal to replace? I see one bolt?
>D how much?
>

93 VR-4
# 0007
Tampa/Orlando FL

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Whoa,,  Brian he is referencing the ABS (anti lock break), not the ECS
(Electronic control suppension)

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian <bcdmad@concentric.net>
To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
Date: Sunday, December 27, 1998 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: ABS light


>Well First thing to check would be the whireing itself.  They have been
>know to come off.  This happens right near the strut.  You can take off the
>strut cap, which is located on top of the strut (big black rubber cover).
>You can then see the wires.  Check to make sure there making a connection
>and also fro corrosion. 90% of the time this is what it is. Even better yet
>just go to this page on John's site and it will show you how to do this.
>http://user.icx.net/~adams/front_strut_wiring_shield_mod.htm
>
>At 03:07 PM 12/27/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>Hi guys,
>>I hope you are having a good holiday..
>>You have not heard form me yet, My name is Marc Jaffe, I am in New York,
>And I have a 95
>>VR4 with 62k miles
>>1)My ABS light has been coming on ..if i restart the car it goes out. I t
>seems to come on
>>more when the car has sat for a while. It always goes out when i restart.
>>A)is one of the sensors failing?
>>B)how do I tell which?
>>C)is it a big deal to replace? I see one bolt?
>>D how much?
>>
>
>93 VR-4
># 0007
>Tampa/Orlando FL
>
>"He who laughs last ... thinks slowest"
>
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> bcdmad@concentric.net
>
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Opps My bad!  Check the break fluid reservoire.  It also could be the
reservoir sendor/sensor.

At 06:22 PM 12/27/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Whoa,,  Brian he is referencing the ABS (anti lock break), not the ECS
>(Electronic control suppension)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Brian <bcdmad@concentric.net>
>To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
>Date: Sunday, December 27, 1998 6:18 PM
>Subject: Re: Team3S: ABS light
>
>
>>Well First thing to check would be the whireing itself.  They have been
>>know to come off.  This happens right near the strut.  You can take off the
>>strut cap, which is located on top of the strut (big black rubber cover).
>>You can then see the wires.  Check to make sure there making a connection
>>and also fro corrosion. 90% of the time this is what it is. Even better yet
>>just go to this page on John's site and it will show you how to do this.
>>http://user.icx.net/~adams/front_strut_wiring_shield_mod.htm
>>
>>At 03:07 PM 12/27/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>>Hi guys,
>>>I hope you are having a good holiday..
>>>You have not heard form me yet, My name is Marc Jaffe, I am in New York,
>>And I have a 95
>>>VR4 with 62k miles
>>>1)My ABS light has been coming on ..if i restart the car it goes out. I t
>>seems to come on
>>>more when the car has sat for a while. It always goes out when i restart.
>>>A)is one of the sensors failing?
>>>B)how do I tell which?
>>>C)is it a big deal to replace? I see one bolt?
>>>D how much?
>>>
>>
>>93 VR-4
>># 0007
>>Tampa/Orlando FL
>>
>>"He who laughs last ... thinks slowest"
>>
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>>
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>
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>
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Exactly... Now, unfortunately this issue of the ECS light blinking is not
dealt with entirely correctly. I get the sense that Marc wants to replace
the struts, though it's not totally clear. First, let me comment on the ECS
blinking light; I've done so before. Simply a break in the connector wiring
at the top of strut is not the sole cause of the problem. If there's a
break in the filamentous wiring within the strut, you will get the blinking
too. It's impossible to fix, short of strut replacement. So, I live with a
blinking light. Does anyone know how to cut out that light? As for Marc's
question on replacing struts, if I understood correctly, I wouldn't think
this is a simple job... Electronics, springs, need to do a 4 wheel
alignment, etc. Either I cut the wire (but my struts are in good shape),
suffer from blinking light blindness, or go for GABs.

At 6:22 PM -0500 12/27/98, you wrote:

> Whoa,,  Brian he is referencing the ABS (anti lock break), not the ECS
> (Electronic control suppension)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian <bcdmad@concentric.net>
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
> Date: Sunday, December 27, 1998 6:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Team3S: ABS light
>
>
> >Well First thing to check would be the whireing itself.  They have been
> >know to come off.  This happens right near the strut.  You can take off the
> >strut cap, which is located on top of the strut (big black rubber cover).
> >You can then see the wires.  Check to make sure there making a connection
> >and also fro corrosion. 90% of the time this is what it is. Even better yet
> >just go to this page on John's site and it will show you how to do this.
> >http://user.icx.net/~adams/front_strut_wiring_shield_mod.htm
> >
> >At 03:07 PM 12/27/98 -0500, you wrote:
> >>Hi guys,
> >>I hope you are having a good holiday..
> >>You have not heard form me yet, My name is Marc Jaffe, I am in New York,
> >And I have a 95
> >>VR4 with 62k miles
> >>1)My ABS light has been coming on ..if i restart the car it goes out. I t
> >seems to come on

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Hi guys;

Just a subtle reminder....do not repost everything in the post you are
responding to, unless you are responding to everything in that post.
It's too easy to hit the respond button, type your offering, then hit
send, without doing some editing. Cut and delete portions which are not
applicable. Or, insert/imbed your response at the appropriate line, and
delete that which you do not need to have us read again. This is noted
in the rules you chose to agree with when you joined.

Thanks

Darc

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From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
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An ABS light staying on for any period of time is very likely a bad sensor.
The shop manual has a pretty decent set of diagnostics to discover what the
problem is.  I hit some debris one night (a tire iron actually) and it
knocked out the sensor on my right rear wheel.  The light stayed on solid
until the sensor was replaced.  Cost for the sensor was ridculous -- at the
time, I believe it was $400.  But then again, that was before I knew
anything about these cars and the dealership was probably soaking me.

-Bob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> [mailto:owner-stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com]On Behalf Of Jay Steinberg
> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 1998 7:56 PM
> To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com
> Subject: Re: Team3S: ABS light
>
>
> Exactly... Now, unfortunately this issue of the ECS light blinking is not
> dealt with entirely correctly. I get the sense that Marc wants to replace
> the struts, though it's not totally clear. First, let me comment
> on the ECS
> blinking light; I've done so before. Simply a break in the
> connector wiring
> at the top of strut is not the sole cause of the problem. If there's a
> break in the filamentous wiring within the strut, you will get
> the blinking
> too. It's impossible to fix, short of strut replacement. So, I live with a
> blinking light. Does anyone know how to cut out that light? As for Marc's
> question on replacing struts, if I understood correctly, I wouldn't think
> this is a simple job... Electronics, springs, need to do a 4 wheel
> alignment, etc. Either I cut the wire (but my struts are in good shape),
> suffer from blinking light blindness, or go for GABs.
>
> At 6:22 PM -0500 12/27/98, you wrote:
>
> > Whoa,,  Brian he is referencing the ABS (anti lock break), not the ECS
> > (Electronic control suppension)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brian <bcdmad@concentric.net>
> > To: stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
> > Date: Sunday, December 27, 1998 6:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: Team3S: ABS light
> >
> >
> > >Well First thing to check would be the whireing itself.  They have been
> > >know to come off.  This happens right near the strut.  You can
> take off the
> > >strut cap, which is located on top of the strut (big black
> rubber cover).
> > >You can then see the wires.  Check to make sure there making a
> connection
> > >and also fro corrosion. 90% of the time this is what it is.
> Even better yet
> > >just go to this page on John's site and it will show you how
> to do this.
> > >http://user.icx.net/~adams/front_strut_wiring_shield_mod.htm
> > >
> > >At 03:07 PM 12/27/98 -0500, you wrote:
> > >>Hi guys,
> > >>I hope you are having a good holiday..
> > >>You have not heard form me yet, My name is Marc Jaffe, I am
> in New York,
> > >And I have a 95
> > >>VR4 with 62k miles
> > >>1)My ABS light has been coming on ..if i restart the car it
> goes out. I t
> > >seems to come on
>
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IF the problem seems more serious (frequent) after the car has sat, it
is more likely a poor charge in the battery.

EricL


>From: "Bob Fontana" <bfontana@securitytechnologies.com>
>To: <stealth-3000gt@list.sirius.com>
>Subject: RE: Team3S: ABS light
>Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 21:34:41 -0500
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>
>An ABS light staying on for any period of time is very likely a bad
sensor.
>The shop manual has a pretty decent set of diagnostics to discover what
the
>problem is.  I hit some debris one night (a tire iron actually) and it
>knocked out the sensor on my right rear wheel.  The light stayed on
solid
>until the sensor was replaced.  Cost for the sensor was ridculous -- at
the
>time, I believe it was $400.  But then again, that was before I knew
>anything about these cars and the dealership was probably soaking me.
>
>-Bob
>

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Matt,

> Has anyone out there with a non-turbo installed a G-force ecu? I was
> planning this as my next modification, but with the cost involved, i
> want input as to how effective it is. What do they change from the stock
> ecu, the fuel maps, timing, or the ignition? What kind of HP gain can be
> realized with this mod? Thanks for any info.

I never heard of anybody who did this nor have I heard of G-Force making one for
the NT's. Even more I doubt that they are making it because there is too less
gain, if any, for the bucks.

There's no need to change the ECU on the NT unless you are changing the cams,
fuel system, throttle body, heads and valves/lifters. Only then a changed timing
and fuel delivery (fuel Maps) would make sense to achieve the best result.
Sorry, any ECU-upgrade for your car is not worth the money.

If you want to do something good to your NT, try to find a path for good fresh
air through the way we have our intercoolers. Any "RAM"-air system are only
called like this and do only give fresh air the way to the filter. They do not
have a proven RAM air effect.

You can also try to install a Te-Zett "Turbo". This is a little electric fan
that runs on a very high RPM and delivers a small amount of air. it works good
on smaller displacements and becomes less efficient on more than 2.5l. A buddy
of mine (from the Netherlands) installed it in his 3.8l Camaro and says the
throttle response is better as well as acceleration, not alot but better. Have a
look at http://sunflower.singnet.com.sg/~racer/index.html

Good luck,
Roger

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> I gapped the plugs at .032 and have had good results. The engine cutout that
> I was getting before at about 15 psi disappeared.
> I also noticed an increase in boost pressure achieved with the same
> settings on my boost controller before the new plugs and wires. I'm not
> quite sure the reason for this, but I'm giving the new plugs and gap the
> credit.

Yes, defintiely the plugs and maybe the wires if your older ones were not in
good condition. The higher boost is related to the fuel be burnt better now.
Also, having some slight hesitation around 15psi, can be caused due to knock and
the timing then slightly retarded. The cause for the knock could be only one
plug that did not fire perfectly and causing the noise the ECU interprets as
knock.

Regapping the plugs (maybe new ones) - the first thing to do when increasing
boost !

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I'm about to finish the development of the 3000GT/Stealth for "Need for Speed
III". Unfortunately, I don't have the gear specs handy (poor man without a
manual) and therefore ask if someone could send me :

- gear ratio (5 speed and 6 speed)
- final gear (5 speed and 6 speed)

Thanks in adavance
Roger

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R.G. wrote:
>
> Matt,
>
> > Has anyone out there with a non-turbo installed
> > a G-force ecu?

<snip>

>
> I never heard of anybody who did this nor have I
> heard of G-Force making one [...]

<snip>

> You can also try to install a Te-Zett "Turbo". This
> is a little electric fan that runs on a very high
> RPM and delivers a small amount of air. it works good
> on smaller displacements and becomes less efficient
> on more than 2.5l.

Roger/Matt:

I installed a TurboZet (I think this is what you are referring to) on
Rommel Dizon's NT this summer.  Rommel and I did some G-Tech runs with
and without the TZ, plus Rommel did some other testing on his own.
Bottom line: you pay big bux, you get a little more air, perhaps a *tad*
more response, and a touch better on your times.  The net gain/$ ratio
were measurable, but pretty darn low.  Results of the TZ experiments
were posted to Starnet at least twice that I am aware of.  Check the
archives there for them.

Rich
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If I could put my 2 cents in here...  It seems to me (and I'm sure I'll be
corrected by 500 people if I'm wrong) that, excluding NOS, the biggest
single increase in horsepower to the normally aspirated 3.0 liter DOHC motor
would be achieved by a professional porting and polishing job.  The next
biggest improvement could be accomplished with increased compression, say
going from 10:1 to 11:1.  Then, you go with a GForce upgrade to accomodate
the new flow characteristics.  Wouldn't that net between 50 to 75 horsies?

All of the above assumes that the intake and exhaust are already capable of
meeting flow requirement.  From what I know about Matt's car, he's got the
prerequisites.

-Bob

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Well Marc, I can only comment on your first issue. the ABS light. I had a
93SL that was doing the same thing. I never could get to what was wrong but
the list members couldn't either. I would try bleeding out the entire brake
system first. The Mits brakes seem to be sensative to decaying fluid, my
Eclipse was. If it is the ABS ocillator pump, it is really expensive, about
$3000. The is someone on the list with one for sale for $300, check the
classified section on the 3si.org page. Good luck.

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So Roger, are the tools easy to use for this? I just picked up the CD for
this and wanted to add my car. What did you use? Any help appreciated.
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Thanks for the responses.

A)the stereo will go in for repair.
B) the ABS light is still a mystery...I will check battery...i did a
complete fluid change on sunday and the proble still exists..what am i
looking for regarding the sensor in the resivoir....After thought..the
system runs its abs test and then the light goes on...this would refer
to a sensor..the question is ...do they get gunked up? cleanable? and
how do you tell which one?(no repair manual yet)
C)as far as the ecs shocks...nothings blinking (i gave too many
senieros) i was curious how big a deal it is to replace since they are
on their way out.
D)as far as anyone just dealing with the lights in their dash staying
on...if it bothers you...remove the trim around the dash..remove the 4
screws holding the speedo combo and remove the offending bulb.

Again thanx for the response..I knew I could count on you guys to give
good answers
Marc

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Subject: Team3S: HP by way of 1/4 mile times
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 18:12:38 -0500
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I found this on a web site and found it interesting. This is how you can
calculate hp from 1/4 mile times.  Now this doesn't take into effect AWD
RWD or FWD.


8<---------------------------------------------
How Much Power?
We all hear those ridiculous horsepower claims from people from time to
time. What is fact and what is fiction? There are a few ways to find out
the truth;
You can put the engine on an engine dyno. You can put the car on a chassis
dyno. You can use the proven formula below if you have a quarter mile run
and an accurate car weight with you aboard.
Just as an inertial dyno uses mass and acceleration to calculate power, we
can use the vehicle weight, speed and time to calculate this figure:
The magic formula is:
1/4 mile speed in mph, squared, divided by ET in seconds Multiplied by
car
weight in pounds over 1000 Divided by 9.1 = HP.
Example: We have a car which weighs 2000 pounds with driver and it runs a
1/4 mile of 15 seconds at 100 mph.
100 X 100/15 = 666.66
666.66 X 2000/1000 = 1333.32
1333.32/9.1 = 146.52 hp
This formula has proven to be very accurate on a wide variety of vehicles
and represents the drive wheel hp. Notice that speed in the 1/4 mile is the
important factor with regards to power. The ET is less important and
affected considerably by traction, so when your buddy says that he did a 14
second ET, find out what the speed was. He may just have great traction but
not a lot of power.