Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth    Friday, August 16 2002    Volume 01 : Number 927




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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:34:08 -0400
From: "Ken Stanton" <tt007ken@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Tire wobble only on turns

Hey all -

Since I've had my alignment fixed, I really can't figure now why the tires
still wobble a lot.  It only happens really on turns, so I have trouble
believing that it is balance.  I know the tires got worn unevenly though, so
does this mean I should re-balance?  It is most pronounced when I hold tight
in a long swooping turn, it gets quite strong.

thanks!!

Ken

Ken Stanton
'91 Pearl White Stealth RT/TT
3Si Rochester (NY)
FIPK, HKS Dual Exhaust
AVC-R (1.2bar), Triad Alky Injection
Improved Precats
HKS SSBOV
Cusco Rear Strut Bar, Konig Flight 17"
6 speed conversion, RPS Stage II
Aiwa MP3 Stereo
007KEN spark plug plate, license plates
ASC sunroof, white Ram emblem
98/99 COOLANT TANK (6/26/02)
Best (pathetic) time:
13.5 @ 104mph (1.2 bar w/ poorly tuned alky)



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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:02:55 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Request procedure to replace thermostat

Once upon a time there was a gasket for the thermostat housing.  An
engineering change deteleted the requirement for the gasket.  It is worth
your time to get all the corrosion off the upper hose connection to the
thermostat housing with a wire brush or wire wheel - this is a common place
for a coolant leak that you can't readily see when the stuf fis all back
together.

Chuck Willis

- -----Original Message-----
From: fastmax [mailto:fastmax@cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 9:01 AM
To: Dan Johnson; Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: Request procedure to replace thermostat


The gasket on mine was a rubber seal that went around the edge of
the thermostat housing --- not a flat gasket as you would have for the
exhaust manifold for example. FWIW --- I mentioned this before but
I thought it worth repeating. The Great Satin wanted $50 or $60 for
the thermostat, I found what appears to be an exact duplicate at an
auto parts store for about $17 --- they also had a generic POS one
for $9 which should be avoided unless you're selling the car to
someone you don't like.




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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:10:25 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: HP difference between 1G/2G

That's about it.  The 6-speed transmission is geared a bit lower which also
makes the horsepower SEEM greater because the rpm's are higher (more boost)
in the same gear at the same speed.

Chuck Willis  


I have been meaning to ask this for a while, particularly b/c I may be
buying another 93 (Stealth this time although another VR would be ok too)
Other than a 3 psi increase in boost (approximate) what accounts for the
15HP difference between the 93 and 94 model year cars?




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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:42:42 -0500
From: "cody" <overclck@satx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Tire wobble only on turns

Be a little more concise regarding this wobble... 

Is it felt in the steering wheel, seats, left to right or up and down...

I doubt it's the balance and it could just be the tires wearing back in
properly, however it could be a bad wheel bearing as well...

- -Cody

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Ken Stanton
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 7:34 PM
To: Team3S
Subject: Team3S: Tire wobble only on turns

Hey all -

Since I've had my alignment fixed, I really can't figure now why the
tires
still wobble a lot.  It only happens really on turns, so I have trouble
believing that it is balance.  I know the tires got worn unevenly
though, so
does this mean I should re-balance?  It is most pronounced when I hold
tight
in a long swooping turn, it gets quite strong.

thanks!!

Ken

Ken Stanton
'91 Pearl White Stealth RT/TT
3Si Rochester (NY)
FIPK, HKS Dual Exhaust
AVC-R (1.2bar), Triad Alky Injection
Improved Precats
HKS SSBOV
Cusco Rear Strut Bar, Konig Flight 17"
6 speed conversion, RPS Stage II
Aiwa MP3 Stereo
007KEN spark plug plate, license plates
ASC sunroof, white Ram emblem
98/99 COOLANT TANK (6/26/02)
Best (pathetic) time:
13.5 @ 104mph (1.2 bar w/ poorly tuned alky)



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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:23:04 -0400
From: Joe Kenwabikise <jdk88888@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Team3S: engine noise...  bad lash adjuster?

Hey all,
a buddy of mine with a 91 RT/TT has recently developed a loud ticking
noise in his engine after a couple runs at the strip (he said it came on
gradually).  It sounds a lot like the standard (heh, I said standard)
lifter tick, but this is MUCH louder, and doesn't fade or increase.
It's very constant and varies with engine speed. 
We removed both valve covers too see if it was something obvious, turned
the engine over a few times, and nothing seemed out of the ordinary.
Interesting that the car seemed to run fine on just the rear bank...
still that loud ticking noise, that seemed to be coming from the rear
bank though.  After the rear cover was off, we turned it over a few
times, no ticking (although it could be b/c the engine wasn't spinning
fast enough).  Nothing obvious like a valve not operating, no marks on
the cams, no crushed springs...  We checked the piston tops (through the
plug holes, nothing out of the ordinary). 
I really have no clue what's wrong.  From what I could make of it, it
seems like a bad lash adjuster, but I'm not really sure what a "bad"
lash adjuster looks like...
Any ideas???? 

Thanks,
Joe
91 RT/TT black

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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:41:50 -0600
From: Gabe Simoes <gabe92rttt@comcast.net>
Subject: Team3S: Source for block & crank

Hello guys,

Do any of you know of a good source to get a block and crank?  My father and
I tore down the engine today and found the thrust washers in the oil pan.
As a result, the crank left some nice scars on itself and the block.  Any
help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Gabe



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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:51:44 -0400
From: "Ken Stanton" <tt007ken@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Tire wobble only on turns

All of the above.  It shakes the hell out of the wheel, yes.  But really you
can feel it in the whole car.  The car has just a touch of wobble going
straight, but hardly worth mentioning.  What are the sympts of a bad
bearing?

Ken

BTW - the car has 44k miles on her.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
> Of cody
> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 9:43 PM
> To: 'Ken Stanton'; 'Team3S'
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Tire wobble only on turns
>
>
> Be a little more concise regarding this wobble...
>
> Is it felt in the steering wheel, seats, left to right or up and down...
>
> I doubt it's the balance and it could just be the tires wearing back in
> properly, however it could be a bad wheel bearing as well...
>
> -Cody
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
> Of Ken Stanton
> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 7:34 PM
> To: Team3S
> Subject: Team3S: Tire wobble only on turns
>
> Hey all -
>
> Since I've had my alignment fixed, I really can't figure now why the
> tires
> still wobble a lot.  It only happens really on turns, so I have trouble
> believing that it is balance.  I know the tires got worn unevenly
> though, so
> does this mean I should re-balance?  It is most pronounced when I hold
> tight
> in a long swooping turn, it gets quite strong.
>
> thanks!!
>
> Ken
>
> Ken Stanton
> '91 Pearl White Stealth RT/TT
> 3Si Rochester (NY)
> FIPK, HKS Dual Exhaust
> AVC-R (1.2bar), Triad Alky Injection
> Improved Precats
> HKS SSBOV
> Cusco Rear Strut Bar, Konig Flight 17"
> 6 speed conversion, RPS Stage II
> Aiwa MP3 Stereo
> 007KEN spark plug plate, license plates
> ASC sunroof, white Ram emblem
> 98/99 COOLANT TANK (6/26/02)
> Best (pathetic) time:
> 13.5 @ 104mph (1.2 bar w/ poorly tuned alky)
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:56:47 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: Team3S: owner of the green car with brake ducts at National Gathering

first attempt got bouced because it was "formatted", whatever that means.

That was Dave Trent's car. Sadly, he did not drive at Gingerman due to a
failing clutch, but he did talk me around the course the first lap and he
also instructed novices.
Chuck Willis
P.S. Dave also helped navigate us from Elkhart to Gingerman so that we could
arrive at the track in a timely manner! Thanks, Dave!




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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:02:50 -0500
From: "Alex Pedenko" <pedenkoa@msu.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Borla price drop

Hey all - I was just wasting time online, when I noticed that Borla is
selling the vr4 cat-back for 709.xx. The price I remember seeing on
there is 799.xx, with Dynamic Racing currently asking 729.xx.

Alex.


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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:28:23 -0500
From: "Alex Pedenko" <pedenkoa@msu.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Engine tear-down

Hey all -

I'm considering getting another car as a daily driver and making my vr4
an all out dragger/track car (let's not get into the discussion of
whether the combination is possible, that's not my question :)

The question is this - if all this happens and I have the money, etc
etc, I'd like to tear down the engine myself. Is it possible in an
at-home-garage environment? I know I'd need an engine crane, but would I
need a lift to get the engine out? The pics I saw on stealth316 show the
engine and tranny being pulled in from below while the car is on a lift.
Can it be put in from the top with the car on jackstands?

I'm assuming if I tried to do that, I'd need to get the tranny off from
the bottom (which I know can be done at home), take the hood off and
pull the engine... but...

Any suggestions?

Alex.

'95 VR4


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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:27:56 +0200
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Borla price drop

You may better shop aroudn a little a you can easily buy it online at
Summit Racing online for $639 since months !

Happy droning :-)

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch


At 01:02 16.08.2002 -0500, Alex Pedenko wrote:
>Hey all - I was just wasting time online, when I noticed that Borla is
>selling the vr4 cat-back for 709.xx. The price I remember seeing on
>there is 799.xx, with Dynamic Racing currently asking 729.xx.
>
>Alex.
>
>
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:26:42 US/Eastern
From: ratkins@cfl.rr.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Borla price drop

Group buy at 3si for $520

http://www.3si.org/vbb/showthread.php?
s=86f2c4c8b5dd86d17f460f99a230da14&threadid=95276

g8rbob
'99VR-4 autox driver

> You may better shop aroudn a little a you can easily buy it online at
> Summit Racing online for $639 since months !
>
> Happy droning :-)
>
> Roger
> 93'3000GT TT
> www.rtec.ch
>
>
> At 01:02 16.08.2002 -0500, Alex Pedenko wrote:
> >Hey all - I was just wasting time online, when I noticed that Borla is
> >selling the vr4 cat-back for 709.xx. The price I remember seeing on
> >there is 799.xx, with Dynamic Racing currently asking 729.xx.
> >
> >Alex.
> >
> >
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:25:27 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Tire wobble only on turns

have you replaced the front wheel bearings yet?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Ken Stanton [mailto:tt007ken@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 7:34 PM
To: Team3S
Subject: Team3S: Tire wobble only on turns


Hey all -

Since I've had my alignment fixed, I really can't figure now why the tires
still wobble a lot.  It only happens really on turns, so I have trouble
believing that it is balance.  I know the tires got worn unevenly though, so
does this mean I should re-balance?  It is most pronounced when I hold tight
in a long swooping turn, it gets quite strong.

t



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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:37:23 -0500
From: "Simons, Chris - BUR" <csimons@wm.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Tire wobble only on turns

I'm 95% sure it's a bearing.  I had the exact same symptoms last year and a
wheel bearing fixed my problem.  Do it soon, the potentials could be costly
and dangerous, especially if it's bad.

Chris

- -----Original Message-----
From: Willis, Charles E. [mailto:cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org]
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 9:25 AM
To: 'Ken Stanton'; Team3S
Subject: RE: Team3S: Tire wobble only on turns


have you replaced the front wheel bearings yet?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Ken Stanton [mailto:tt007ken@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 7:34 PM
To: Team3S
Subject: Team3S: Tire wobble only on turns


Hey all -

Since I've had my alignment fixed, I really can't figure now why the tires
still wobble a lot.  It only happens really on turns, so I have trouble
believing that it is balance.  I know the tires got worn unevenly though, so
does this mean I should re-balance?  It is most pronounced when I hold tight
in a long swooping turn, it gets quite strong.

t



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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:03:17 +0000
From: mjannusch@attbi.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Engine tear-down

> The question is this - if all this happens and I have
> the money, etc etc, I'd like to tear down the engine
> myself. Is it possible in an at-home-garage
> environment? I know I'd need an engine crane, but
> would I need a lift to get the engine out? The pics
> I saw on stealth316 show the engine and tranny being
> pulled in from below while the car is on a lift.
> Can it be put in from the top with the car on
> jackstands?

Absolutely you can take it out and put it back in from
above.  No problem whatsoever.  Follow the instructions
in the service manual and it comes right out the top.

> I'm assuming if I tried to do that, I'd need to get
> the tranny off from the bottom (which I know can be
> done at home), take the hood off and pull the
> engine... but...

No, leave the tranny on the motor and pull the whole
thing out as an assembly.  Much easier.  You'll need to
remove the axles from the tranny, and the transfercase,
but the tranny can stay bolted to the motor.  You can
reinstall the whole thing together as well to save the
hassle of lifting the tranny in from underneath.  You'll
need a levelling rig on your engine hoist to do this
since you need to angle the assembly back in, but most
hoists have a leveller bar anyway.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
(Been there...)

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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:04:17 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Injector flow rates

Rated flow for fuel injectors is with the injector in a "static" condition,
meaning the solenoid is continuously energized (the injector is held
open; "100% IDC") for some time period. The exact time period probably varies
from tester to tester. The exact line pressure used may also vary but should
be noted on the flow report. I don't know if exact atmospheric pressure is
accounted for by the tester, so actual differential pressure across the
injector may be slightly different than noted on the report. An example report
from RC Engineering is at the link below.

http://www.stealth316.com/2-rc_inj_380.htm

It should be noted that the test pressure used to rate the injector flow may
be different than the differential pressure across the injector during actual
use. To determine the flow rate at a different differential pressure use the
formula below.

FN = FO x SQRT(PN/PO), where

FN = flow rate new
FO = flow rate old
SQRT = square root
PN = pressure new
PO = pressure old

For example, the stock 360 cc/min injector (at 43 psi diff. pressure) only
flows 320 cc/min at an idle pressure of 34 psi (turbo models).
320 = 360 x SQRT(34/43)

For the non-turbo models, their stock 210 cc/min injector (@ 43 psi diff.
press.) flows 221 cc/min at their running fuel line pressure of 47.6 psi.
221 = 210 x SQRT(47.6/43)

More info on our injectors:
http://www.stealth316.com/2-injectortypes.htm

Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
To: <team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 4:02 PM
Subject: Team3S: Injector flow rates

Question about flow rates on fuel injectors --- is the injector flow rate
at 43 psi and an 80% duty cycle or is the rate for 100 % duty cycle.

        Jim Berry



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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:40:43 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Head ?

>> Neither the block nor the head are actually different though...
>> The only difference is what goes in those areas...

I have not looked carefully at a 1993+ DOHC block. Are you saying the mounting
places (brackets?, threads?) for the 1993+ crank and cam angle sensors are
already present on my 1992 DOHC block? I know the DOHC head change is trivial;
the 1993+ use a plug basically to replace the 1991-1992 adapter for the CAS.

We all (should) know the actual DOHC blocks are different because the main
bearing cap changed for the 1993 model year. There is no way for the 1993+
main bearing cap/girdle to mount to my 1992 block (4 bolts vs 2 bolts for each
bearing) and no place on 1993+ blocks for my 1992 main bearing cap stiffening
stays. Otherwise, major internal parts are interchangeble - crank, pistons,
rods - and did not change in 1993 except for the crank metallurgy.

========================================================================

Out of curiousity, do 1991-1992 heads mount to the 1993+ block without major
hassle (CAS differences noted)?

Thanks,

Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/

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From: "cody" <overclck@satx.rr.com>
To: "'Jeff Lucius'" <jlucius@stealth316.com>; <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 6:21 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Head ?



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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:54:51 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Source for block & crank

>> Do any of you know of a good source to get a block and crank?

I list perhaps two dozen sources for engine blocks and internal parts at the
url below.

http://www.stealth316.com/1-links-t.htm#j7

Also, check with the speed shops that specialize in our cars, the discount
Mitsu dealers, and the parts yards, also listed on the web page above.

Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/

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From: "Gabe Simoes" <gabe92rttt@comcast.net>
To: "Team3s" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 8:41 PM
Subject: Team3S: Source for block & crank



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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:02:26 -0700
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tire wobble only on turns

Jack the front of the car up and by holding the tire at the 12 O'clock and 6 O'clock
position lift the tire and see if there is any play in the wheel. There should be NONE.
A friend had a problem where after an alignment they didn't tighten the bolts on the
strut correctly and the tire could move back and forth --- his wheels didn't wobble
but he had strange steering problems when cornering.

        Jim Berry
======================================================

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>

> have you replaced the front wheel bearings yet?
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Stanton [mailto:tt007ken@yahoo.com]
>
> Hey all -
>
> Since I've had my alignment fixed, I really can't figure now why the tires
> still wobble a lot.  It only happens really on turns, so I have trouble
> believing that it is balance.  I know the tires got worn unevenly though, so
> does this mean I should re-balance?  It is most pronounced when I hold tight
> in a long swooping turn, it gets quite strong.




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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:23:29 -0700
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: Team3S: Saner AWD Rear Sway Bar Going In...

This afternoon, I'm off to a local shop to have them put in my Saner rear
sway bar in my 1995 VR-4.  I decided to pay a shop a few bucks to do it
since I don't have access to a lift and it's hot as heck here right now.

I've visited their shop several times for some misc stuff and they just did
a bunch of custom exhaust work for a friend installing a 16G turbo on a NA
Eclipse GT.  Thus I think I trust them touching my car :-)  The mechanic
who'll be doing the work said I can hang out with my camera and take
pictures for my website and he also promised to use a torque wrench for
everything...

I have Rich's old post, Damon's old post, and some instructions sent
privately to me on a recent installation of the new Saner bar on a '99 VR-4.

Anyone else have any comments/afterthoughts/suggestions?  Starting at 1PM
PDT...  here we go.

- --Erik

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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:25:18 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Saner AWD Rear Sway Bar Going In...

Good luck, Erik! The rear one is not nearly as difficult as the front. Do
you already have the front antisway bar installed?  If not, it'll be
interesting to see if you wind up with a little oversteer.

Chuck

- -----Original Message-----
From: Gross, Erik [mailto:erik.gross@intel.com]
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 1:23 PM
To: Team3S List (E-mail); 3sracers List (E-mail)
Subject: Team3S: Saner AWD Rear Sway Bar Going In...



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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:42:40 -0700
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <riyan@HotPOP.com>
Subject: Team3S: lots of strange noises and odd behavior from my baby (kinda long)

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Hey guys,


So yesterday I took her to 6K rpm. Not that bad for our cars, but I really
shouldn't be taking my particular one that high. Generally I keep her at 5K
rpm or lower since my 60K service is overdue by about 7,000 miles. Anyway,
as I was leaving my gf's house I noticed that the exhaust sounded slightly
louder than usual. Then I noticed that it was idling really low (like around
300 rpm for awhile). But everytime I turned on the A/C she kicked back up to
800-900 rpm or so. That's just the first part.

Today morning I went for a really short drive around the area at low rpm to
figure out what's going on and hear into the engine more, and I heard a few
taps and slaps from the engine compartment. This happened about 4 or 5 times
for about 2 or 3 seconds each time. The exhaust still sounds loud (it's
rusty, perhaps it developed a hole?) but the idle is somewhat normal at 500
rpm. Still, once in a while it drops down to 300 or 400. After all those
noises, I don't even wanna start the car again (just crossing my fingers
that those slapping noises weren't pistons hitting valves!). I am suspecting
that besides a hole in my exhaust, either the t-belt slipped a tooth, the
lash adjusters are bad, or maybe something else? Any good ideas on where to
start diagnosing, and how to do this without causing further damage to the
car?

I know cars--I know engine compartments.... but when you send me into the
cylinder head and camshaft, my knowledge is only theoretical and book-based.
I do own the set of dealer shop manuals for this car, and I've been taking
auto shop classes on top of my prior experience. At this point, I'm debating
whether to let my baby sit around for awhile until I take my engine
rebuilding class. Then I can tear the sucker apart and see what's up. Ideas
on where to get started or what to do/how to handle this going forward would
be greatly appreciated.

Riyan Mynuddin
1993 stealth rt/tt

my ride:
www.advantedgecomputing.com/stllow/stealth.htm

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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:35:35 -0600
From: "Curtis McConnell" <Curtis.McConnell@pulte.com>
Subject: Team3S: Quality of gas vs. Octane rating.

I was getting gas at Petro Stop (for anyone in the Denver area) because
they sell 93.5 Octane (standard 91 here in CO). The gas there was $1.61
as compared to $1.75 at a local Texaco. My question is if the 93.5 is a
"lower quality" gas is it still better performing than the "better
quality" 91?

I'm not sure about the quality differences but 0.14 cheaper per gallon
and higher octane, something doesn't seem right.

Anyone shed some light on this?

Curtis McConnell
Pulte Mortgage
(800) 426-8898 x-3591
Fax (303) 740-3591




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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:59:19 -0400
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <gphilip@umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Quality of gas vs. Octane rating.

Price has nothing to do with quality or performance. I have no idea where
people get it from... Very few companies in our days price their products
at cost plus 10-20%. Price is usually what the buyer would bare.

Without any further information, I would do with the higher octane. It
would also save you money. If they claim to be 93.5 octane but they
actually are less than 90 then this is bad. But this is very unlikely.

Companies like Mobil charge extra 10% on their gas just because ignorant
people think Mobil has a better gas than anyone else. I saw Mobil's
marketing video where they showed their "preferred" customers. Those were
mostly people who knew nothing about cars. They were putting a 93-octane in
a minivan and an econobox because: "I need POWER!" <ROFLMAO!>

Someone has to explain to me what a low-quality gasoline is. It must be
dirty and with lots of sulfur or whatever that stuff is that creates carbon
buildup. I guess this is the only thing that I would be concerned with.
Call corporate offices of both companies and ask for information on that.

Philip

At 16:35 8/16/2002, Curtis McConnell wrote:
>I was getting gas at Petro Stop (for anyone in the Denver area) because
>they sell 93.5 Octane (standard 91 here in CO). The gas there was $1.61
>as compared to $1.75 at a local Texaco. My question is if the 93.5 is a
>"lower quality" gas is it still better performing than the "better
>quality" 91?
>
>I'm not sure about the quality differences but 0.14 cheaper per gallon
>and higher octane, something doesn't seem right.
>
>Anyone shed some light on this?


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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:24:07 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Quality of gas vs. Octane rating.

Fortunately enough I happened to catch a tour of a Sunoco Oil Refinery
plant in Philadelphia, PA that was on the television just now (statewide
tv channel broadcasts things like the State Fair, Government hearings,
School board hearings, and these fantastic video tours of places like
Mack Trucks or Straub Beer).

Anyway, the tour guide was mentioning how the facility in Philly is a
"sweet crude" processing plant which means they deal with crude that has
a minimal amount of sulfur in it.  He did not detail what "minimal"
meant but said this crude is from West Africa.  They can work with "sour
crude" and extract the sulfur but they do not do this much anymore.
Then the downstream processes produce Benzene (which later goes into all
sorts of styles of plastic raw materials).  I'm sure this plant would
have some info if you wanted to contact them.  They mix and
bottle/palletize/ship the product from a different facility just up the
road a bit but perhaps they would know some of these answers.  If you
contact Sunoco then mention that you saw them/heard about them on the
PCN Network tour.

I happen to use Sunoco now because they are about the only chain around
that offers 94 octane.  And lucky for me - they have somehow gotten the
contract for the PA Turnpike so every rest area and fuel plaza has
Sunoco all across PA.  That means I don't have to go out of my way to
fill up with the good stuff before a long trip but just have to make it
as far as the closest fuel plaza and remember to hit one just before
heading out of the state.

I don't see many folks putting 94 octane in the family truckster minivan
but I think it is mostly because the 94 octane is so much more expensive
and people tend to think cheap on gas.  Sure I might be able to get away
just fine with 93 or 92 but I bite the bullet and take 94 knowing
(hopefully) that they aren't cheating by putting lower-grade stuff in
there and that it will run cleaner, etc. in the car.  It was hard
driving to Heartland Park and passing through all those states with
nothing higher than 91 octane.

- --Flash!
1995 VR-4

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From: Philip V. Glazatov
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 17:59

Price has nothing to do with quality or performance. I have no idea
where
people get it from... Very few companies in our days price their
products
at cost plus 10-20%. Price is usually what the buyer would bare.

Without any further information, I would do with the higher octane. It
would also save you money. If they claim to be 93.5 octane but they
actually are less than 90 then this is bad. But this is very unlikely.

Companies like Mobil charge extra 10% on their gas just because ignorant

people think Mobil has a better gas than anyone else. I saw Mobil's
marketing video where they showed their "preferred" customers. Those
were
mostly people who knew nothing about cars. They were putting a 93-octane
in
a minivan and an econobox because: "I need POWER!" <ROFLMAO!>

Someone has to explain to me what a low-quality gasoline is. It must be
dirty and with lots of sulfur or whatever that stuff is that creates
carbon
buildup. I guess this is the only thing that I would be concerned with.
Call corporate offices of both companies and ask for information on
that.


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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:15:14 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Tire wobble only on turns

44K miles seems early for wheel bearing replacement, but if the car's been
in a corrosive environment, like salt on the roads, or you've done a lot of
open tracking, then it's a reasonable guess.

Chuck Willis

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From: Simons, Chris - BUR [mailto:csimons@wm.com]
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 8:37 AM
To: Team3S
Subject: RE: Team3S: Tire wobble only on turns


I'm 95% sure it's a bearing.  I had the exact same symptoms last year and a
wheel bearing fixed my problem.  Do it soon, the potentials could be costly
and dangerous, especially if it's bad.

Chris



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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:51:09 -0700
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Quality of gas vs. Octane rating.

Here is a article I found linked to www.howstuffworks.com.  There is a lot
more on this web page on gasoline refinement and prices.


Doug
92 Stealth RT TT

4.12 Are brands different?

Yes. The above specifications are intended to ensure minimal quality
standards are maintained, however as well as the fuel hydrocarbons, the
manufacturers add their own special ingredients to provide additional
benefits. A quality gasoline additive package would include:-
* octane-enhancing additives ( improve octane ratings )
* anti-oxidants ( inhibit gum formation, improve stability )
* metal deactivators ( inhibit gum formation, improve stability )
* deposit modifiers ( reduce deposits, spark-plug fouling and
  preignition )
* surfactants ( prevent icing, improve vaporisation, inhibit deposits,
  reduce NOx emissions )
* freezing point depressants ( prevent icing )
* corrosion inhibitors ( prevent gasoline corroding storage tanks )
* dyes ( product colour for safety or regulatory purposes ).

During the 1980s significant problems with deposits accumulating on intake
valve surfaces occurred as new fuel injection systems were introduced.
These intake valve deposits (IVD) were different than the injector deposits,
in part because the valve can reach 300C. Engine design changes that prevent
deposits usually consist of ensuring the valve is flushed with liquid
gasoline, and provision of adequate valve rotation. Gasoline factors that
cause deposits are the presence of alcohols or olefins [46]. Gasoline
manufacturers now routinely use additives that prevent IVD and also maintain
the cleanliness of injectors. These usually include a surfactant and light
oil to maintain the wetting of important surfaces. Intake valve deposits
have
also been shown to have significant adverse effects on emissions [47], and
deposit control additives will be required to both reduce emissions and
provide clean engine operation [48]. A slighty more detailed description
of additives is provided in Section 9.1.

Texaco demonstrated that a well-formulated package could improve fuel
economy, reduce NOx emissions, and restore engine performance because, as
well as the traditional liquid-phase deposit removal, some additives can
work in the vapour phase to remove existing engine deposits without
adversely
affecting performance ( as happens when water is poured into a running
engine
to remove carbon deposits :-) )[49]. Chevron have also published data on the
effectiveness of their additives [50], and successfully litigated to get
Texaco to modify some of their claims [51]. Most suppliers of quality
gasolines will formulate similar additives into their products, and cheaper
product lines are less likely to have such additives added. As different
brands of gasoline use different additives and oxygenates, it is probable
that important fuel parameters, such as octane distribution, are slightly
different, even though the pump octane ratings are the same.

So, if you know your car is well-tuned, and in good condition, but the
driveability is pathetic on the correct octane, try another brand. Remember
that the composition will change with the season, so if you lose
driveability, try yet another brand. As various Clean Air Act changes are
introduced over the next few years, gasoline will continue to change.




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