team3s              Monday, May 21 2001              Volume 01 : Number 498




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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 11:32:54 -0700
From: "Nickolaos M. Sgouros" <atenag@coqui.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Fuel management question.

Hey Michael
I just had 550cc injectors installed. I am using the stock 2nd gen turbos @
15 psi. I also have fresh air going to my K&N filter together with a high
flow exhaust. Without any fuel management my car is running very rich (black
smoke from the exhaust) and I lost power from the low RPM. (Lots of gas)
More than 5000 RPM the things are getting better and the car is keeping the
15 psi all the way to the 7000 RPM (3rd gear 115mph). I am ordering now the
APEX-I  AFC and EGT gauge. I been advised that the particular controller
(APEX-I) can manage the fuel fine but Vs the ARC is more difficult to be
adjusted. Connect a digital voltmeter to your oxygen sensor and also EGT
gauge seems to be the best way to adjust the thing.
I will keep the list informed on this.

Nikos the Greek
92' RT TT
Puerto Rico

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Michael Bulaon
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 3:04 AM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: Fuel management question.

I have 550cc injectors on the way. Only thing I can really afford now for
fuel management is something along the lines of an Apex'i SAFC.

I was just wondering if I got an ARC2 later on, would I be able to use my
SAFC with the ARC2 or would the ARC2 make my SAFC obsolete?

I know that an AFC would work with the VPC, but I'm leaning more towards the
ARC2.

Thanks in advance to all responses.

Michael Bulaon

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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 11:39:33 -0400
From: "Michael Bulaon" <profilevr4@3000gtvr4.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Fuel management question.

Yes, that's what I've heard too. However, I wasn't trying to compare the AFC
to the ARC2. I need some sort of fuel controller now really can't afford an
ARC2, so I'm going with an AFC for now. My only concern was when I
eventually do get my ARC2, would I be able to use my AFC with it.

I posted this same question on 3SI.ORG as well. I received one response
saying that the AFC does work well with the ARC2.

http://209.58.199.225/vbb/showthread.php?s=d7bada7d1f6ac0d6771c127c730800cd&
threadid=29577

Regards,
Michael Bulaon

- -----Original Message-----
From: Nickolaos M. Sgouros [mailto:atenag@coqui.net]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 2:33 PM
To: Team3s; Michael Bulaon
Subject: RE: Team3S: Fuel management question.


Hey Michael
I just had 550cc injectors installed. I am using the stock 2nd gen turbos @
15 psi. I also have fresh air going to my K&N filter together with a high
flow exhaust. Without any fuel management my car is running very rich (black
smoke from the exhaust) and I lost power from the low RPM. (Lots of gas)
More than 5000 RPM the things are getting better and the car is keeping the
15 psi all the way to the 7000 RPM (3rd gear 115mph). I am ordering now the
APEX-I  AFC and EGT gauge. I been advised that the particular controller
(APEX-I) can manage the fuel fine but Vs the ARC is more difficult to be
adjusted. Connect a digital voltmeter to your oxygen sensor and also EGT
gauge seems to be the best way to adjust the thing.
I will keep the list informed on this.

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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 09:09:07 -0700
From: "BlackLight" <BlackLight@Planetice.net>
Subject: Team3S: RE: team3s V1 #497

I have seen them on eBay a lot recently, but I have yet to hear any good
things about them. Stick to the Porterfield's for performance rotors, I set
up a 20% discount for our clubs through them, and they are the only ones no
one has complained about yet! www.porterfieldbrakes.com or
www.racebrakes.com should be the URL. Make sure you get them cryo treated.
Matt
94 RT TT

Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 20:34:00 -0500
From: "Dale T. Kroetz" <kroetz@mvn.net>
Subject: Team3S: Bradi rotors

Anybody ever heard of this brand of rotors? Bradi, says made in Italy.

Dale T. Kroetz
kroetz@mvn.net

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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 12:17:34 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Fuel management question.

> Connect a digital voltmeter to your oxygen sensor
> and also EGT gauge seems to be the best way to
> adjust the thing.

Also consider an analog voltmeter to help set cruising fuel trims - its
pretty tough to see the "sweeping" of the voltages during cruise on a
digital voltmeter.  Either that, or one of the multi-LED A/F ratio meters so
you can more easily see what the fuel system is doing during cruise.
There's a reasonably narrow band of adjustments where cruising fuel is
actually set well.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 20:28:42 +0200
From: "Jim Matthews" <jim@the-matthews.com>
Subject: Team3S: AVC-R at altitude

I posted a note about this last summer when I first noticed the problem, but
I didn't get much feedback.  If anyone has an idea, please let me know!

I have a '94 TT with basic engine mods (see signature below).  The 1st gen.
SAVC-R reaches my boost setting quickly and holds it rock-steady every time,
EXCEPT at high altitude!  As I ascend, the boost begins "sticking" at 7 psi
(as if the boost controller was turned off) before abruptly rocketing up to
my setting.  The delay increases the higher I go, and eventually boost never
budges from 7 psi.  The behavior reverses as I come back down the other
side... it will again achieve the max boost setting after a delay at 7 psi,
and finally returns to normal near the bottom, sweeping smoothly through the
boost range.

This makes absolutely no sense to me.  A boost controller does nothing but
monitor boost pressure and modulate the wastegates to achieve the boost
limit.  At higher elevations, reduced air density may affect boost behavior,
but so what?  Why would the controller open the wastegates prematurely or
fail to modulate them at all under such circumstances?

- - --
Jim Matthews - Munich, Germany
mailto:jim@the-matthews.com (64 Kbps ISDN)
http://www.the-matthews.com

*** 3000GT-Stealth International (3Si) Member #0030 ***
http://members.stealth-3000gt.st/~matthews/stealth.html
Jet Black '94 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R v.1 (1.0 bar @ 64% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Super Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Optima Red Top 830 Battery
Redline synth fluids (trans= MT-90, xfer & diff= SPHvy)
Cryoed rotors, R4S pads, braided lines, red calipers
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 171 mph
G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 367 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft torque


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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 13:54:02 -0700
From: "rick pierce" <rick.pierce@alphadog.com>
Subject: Team3S: Question Re: Waste Gate Control Solenoid Valve

Hi everyone,

I finally redid my Vacuum lines - boy were they screwed up (compared to the
92 Turbo Stock setup).  I finally got all the EGR stuff hooked up properly
as well as everything else - except I discovered what led to all of this in
the first place.  Evidently when the shop dropped in the motor they broke
off the hose connection on the rear turbo air inlet that leads to the inlet
side of the Waste Gate Control Solenoid Valve (White top hose on a 92), so
they plugged the Boost hose into the top of the valve and the rest of the
outlet hoses are correctly hooked up to the waste gate actuators (with one
connection plugged on the "h" valve).  My question is How does the WGCSV
work?

It looks to me it basically bleeds off a small amount of boost until the
appropriate pressure differential is reached at which point it closes and
directs full boost to the waste gates.  So by having direct boost to the
inlet side will this cause overboost, under boost, slow spooling, or what?
I did look into the service manual but couldn't find a true description of
how the valve works.  Sorry for the long post, but I just want to make sure
I don't screw anything up.  Any help will be appreciated.

PS is there an easy way to rectify this, please let me know.

Thanks Rick - 92 VR4


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Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 05:38:01 -0600
From: "Floyd, Jim" <Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: VR-4 Grinding in 2nd and 3rd

What was Jack's '98 Gertag deal and could it be done again ?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jim Matthews [mailto:jim@the-matthews.com]
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 11:27 PM
To: anthonymelillo; Team3S
Subject: RE: Team3S: VR-4 Grinding in 2nd and 3rd



I just bought a new 2nd gear synchro blocking ring from
http://www.kormextrans.com for $125 (I have a full set of synchros for my
6-speed from Jack's '98 Getrag deal, but I thought I'd save those and take
advantage of Kormex's stock).  My 2nd gear synchro got bad at right around
60k miles, but I've managed to drive another 23k miles by pausing between
shifts.  Good luck!

- - --
Jim Matthews - Munich, Germany
mailto:jim@the-matthews.com (64 Kbps ISDN)
http://www.the-matthews.com

*** 3000GT-Stealth International (3Si) Member #0030 ***
http://members.stealth-3000gt.st/~matthews/stealth.html
Jet Black '94 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R v.1 (1.0 bar @ 64% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Super Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Optima Red Top 830 Battery
Redline synth fluids (trans= MT-90, xfer & diff= SPHvy)
Cryoed rotors, R4S pads, braided lines, red calipers
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 171 mph
G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 367 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft torque

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Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 10:00:47 -0400
From: Marc Jonathan Jacobs <Marc.Jacobs@usa.alcatel.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: team3s V1 #496

Don't buy Centerforce!  The stock clutch lasted 92K miles.  My
Centerforce lasted 18K miles before slipping.  I don't drag race, I
don't autocross, I don't roadrace, I don't race - YET!

Stock clutch is fine, I ordered mine through Mitsupartsdirect.com
(clutch, pressure plate, throw out bearing) for $200 with their
April-May promotion.  I also bought a generic import clutch alignment
tool for $22 at CarQuest.


> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 19:29:26 -0500
> From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Clutch Questions 2
>
> > Now I have one more question for the gurus
> > out there. What clutch is recommended? My
> > car is mainly stock now, but I plan on
> > getting a boost controller, some exhause
> > etc this summer, so I will want something
> > that is streetable, but sturdy.
>
> If you aren't into tranny-breaking launches and you aren't going to be drag
> racing much then I'd say go with another stock clutch.  They last pretty
> long and grip good for mild to moderately upgraded cars.
>
> If you feel that you might take the car to more horsepower than just boost
> controller and exhaust then maybe consider an ACT clutch.  I've got one in
> my car and it is working really well.  Some people also like Centerforce.
> RPS is "iffy" with quality control issues - unless you enjoy spending more
> money to install replacement clutches I'd avoid those.  Some people get
> lucky, some people don't.  There's lots of information and opinions in the
> list archives about clutches.
>
> - -Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4

- --
Marc J. Jacobs '94 Blue VR-4
xDSL Hardware Development
Alcatel, USA     (919) 850-6386

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Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 09:47:39 -0700
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: Team3S: Timing belt change *time* interval?

I know it's been discussed ad nauseam here that timing belts get changed at
60K, and that the Nike slogan applies.  However, I looked through the
service manual and it makes no mention of a *time* interval to change the
belt for low-mileage cars.  I've heard that you should change it after 5
years or 60K, whichever comes first, but I can't find any actual
documentation to that effect.   So - say you only drive 30,000 in 5 years -
still change the belt?  Is the replacement due mainly to mechanical wear,
age, or both?

Thanks!
- --Erik

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