team3s            Saturday, March 31 2001            Volume 01 : Number 450




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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:16:33 -0500
From: "Jason Barnhart" <phnxgld@erols.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re:  Clutches???

What choices do we have?

My Centerforce didn't last at all, I can't even just replace the disc, so
forget them.

The Clutch Masters stage 4 only has a 2400lb pressure plate and an unsprung
hub isn't even an option.  That comes at a retail price of $720.  I don't
know of anyone that's running one.  I've heard that the fulcrum is different
so they might be able to give more clamping force with a weaker pressure
plate, but if it doesn't at least look better on paper I don't want to shell
out $700 and hope that it works well.

I emailed RPS over a week ago.  I've heard some questionable things about
them and I wanted some more detail.  No response, I'm not waiting, they lost
a potential customer.

ACT (the clutch of choice for DSMs) doesn't have a serious contender for us
right now.  It's too bad as the 2600 with a street disc has gone mid tens or
better and is very easy to drive.  Not sure how fast the race disc has gone.

I don't have $2000 to spend on a clutch/flywheel combo that's a bitch to
drive on the street, are there any other SERIOUS options?  Has anyone tried
anything else and had good results?

Jason


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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:28:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: TPS part number

You might try

MD614405   Sensor, throttle body

Since you don't have CAPS (available at the Team3S web site), you
might be interested in this other info for your car.

Model: Z11A
Classification: MRHEL2D
Option: C30
Exterior: X94
Interior: 06D
Production date: September 1991, 1st week

And from my web page below courtesy of M. Reid, there were 4811 of
your car mde.

http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius5/j5-2-production.htm

Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Dusan Simovic" <dusanboy@ix.netcom.com>
To: <Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 10:24 AM
Subject: Team3S: TPS part number

Could a kind soul out there look up the part number for TPS (throttle
position sensor), my VIN is

JB3XD44S1NY026459

'92 base stealth

Thank you!

Regards
Dusan


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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:16:22 -0500
From: "Dusan Simovic" <dusanboy@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: TPS part number

Now a follow-up question,
where is the best (read:cheapest) place to get these parts?

Thanks,
Dusan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Lucius" <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
To: "Dusan Simovic" <dusanboy@ix.netcom.com>
Cc: <Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: TPS part number


> You might try
>
> MD614405   Sensor, throttle body
>
> Since you don't have CAPS (available at the Team3S web site), you
> might be interested in this other info for your car.
>
> Model: Z11A
> Classification: MRHEL2D
> Option: C30
> Exterior: X94
> Interior: 06D
> Production date: September 1991, 1st week
>
> And from my web page below courtesy of M. Reid, there were 4811 of
> your car mde.
>
> http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius5/j5-2-production.htm
>
> Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dusan Simovic" <dusanboy@ix.netcom.com>
> To: <Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 10:24 AM
> Subject: Team3S: TPS part number
>
> Could a kind soul out there look up the part number for TPS (throttle
> position sensor), my VIN is
>
> JB3XD44S1NY026459
>
> '92 base stealth
>
> Thank you!
>
> Regards
> Dusan
>
>
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:57:24 -0800
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: Team3S: Sanity Check

Quick question:

I just ordered the Tein HA Coilover kit for my 3000GT (base model).  On the
invoice, it lists the kit as "Tein HA Coilover Kit for 1990-99 3000GT, All
Models"  Um... maybe I'm missing something, but shouldn't the kit for the
base/SL models be *different* than the kit TT for the TT models (at least
the springs anyway)?  The stock spring rates are substantially different,
and the weight distribution is slightly different, too.  Should I be
worried, or just assume that Tein knows what they're doing?

Thanks!
- --Erik

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Erik Gross                                         DuPont, WA
'95 Glacier White Pearl 3000GT (NA, DOHC, 5MT)      76,000 mi
   Magnacor KV85, M1 10W30, K&N FIPK, Skippy PCV Catch Can,
   Tein HA Coilovers & PB, SZ50EP 245/45/ZR17, 17x8.5" wheels
'94 Algae-Blue "fun to slide around corners" Corolla 74,000mi
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 01 14:05:39 -0600
From: potter <potter@interaccess.com>
Subject: Team3S: stock DSM parts as upgrades?

I have friends who are big into DSM's so I can get a lot of stock parts from
them.  My question is how many can be used to upgrade my VR4?

I know about using the injectors and the bov.  I was really wondering if there
is any way to use the stock dsm turbo as an upgrade? Either the whole thing or
internals.



Thanks

- -Bill
3SI #49


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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:20:02 -0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re:  Clutches???

> ACT (the clutch of choice for DSMs) doesn't have a serious
> contender for us right now.  It's too bad as the 2600 with
> a street disc has gone mid tens or better and is very
> easy to drive.  Not sure how fast the race disc has gone.

What's missing from the ACT offerings?  The ACT street setup is good to 458
ft. lbs, and can be gotten for under $500.  Clamping force on their pressure
plates is 19% higher than stock, which if I remember right works out to
somewhere between 2500-2600 pounds of force.

The race setup without sprung hub can handle 586 ft lbs.

I didn't have luck with the Centerforce on my old car - premature wear.  How
much power does the clutch need to hold?  For street use and occasional
dragstrip use I think the ACT works fine at a good price, with a seperately
replacable friction disc.  RPS seems to have good stuff, if you get lucky
and don't get a clutch with quality issues.  I haven't heard of any issues
with ACT clutches failing in VR4/TT applications, but I don't think there's
that many people using them - at least not near as many people as the DSM
guys have using them.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
w/ACT street setup

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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:37:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: TPS part number

I list Mitsu dealers that offer a 20 to 25 percent "club" discount on
the Links and Garage pages at my web site. I have purchased parts
many times for Tall Mitsu (for about half of what local dealer want)
and recommend them. I also list used parts yards and you can try some
of them also.

Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com

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From: "Dusan Simovic" <dusanboy@ix.netcom.com>
To: <Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: TPS part number

Now a follow-up question,
where is the best (read:cheapest) place to get these parts?

Thanks,
Dusan


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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:57:49 -0800
From: "Geddes, Brian J" <brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
Subject: Team3S: Very rich exhaust at idle - VR4

All -

I've suspected for a while that my VR-4 was running rich at idle, so when I
was getting an oil change today I asked the guys if I could play with their
emissions test equipment.  They obliged (for free! :), and I found that my
car is indeed running VERY rich at idle - to the tune of hydrocarbons in the
350-400 range.  At cruising engine speeds (but not under load), the HC
levels were much lower and in normal ranges. 

What could cause rich exhaust at idle?  Bad O2 sensor?  Bad plugs?  My
precats have been gutted, but the engine was nice and warm so I don't think
this should make a difference.  Any ideas?

Thanks,

- - Brian
1994 Pearl Yellow VR-4
1996 Green 3000GT (For Sale!!!)


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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:24:34 -0500
From: "Jason Barnhart" <phnxgld@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re:  Clutches???

I'd be interested in hearing more about their clutch option.  Have you made
any passes with it?  How long have you had it?  I'm looking for something
just short of an on/off switch, no more games.  A 2400lb pressure plate
seems a little weak when lighter DSMs are running 2600lb.  I'm a little
aggressive also, I launch at 6k+ and turn over 275 Firehawk SZ50 EPs.
I would not recommend the Centerforce (Dual Friction is the only option on
TTs).  Not only did it not hold up, but you have to replace the ENTIRE
clutch assembly at a cost of $500+ retail rather than $150 or so for a new
friction disc.

Jason
12.67 @ 105.93
12.82 @ 109.40
1.72 60'

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From: <kenwheeler@pheonixdsl.com>
To: 'Jason Barnhart' <phnxgld@erols.com>; <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 8:22 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: Clutches???


> Try Brian at GTPro.  I ordered one of their StreetSpec clutches and it
would
> have worked fine other than we didn't adjust the clutch pedal (VERY
> IMPORTANT!!!!) so I burned it up.  I called Brian back up and he worked
with
> me on getting the disc replaced.  It's not his fault we didn't adjust the
> pedal so I forked out the dough for a new clutch disc but we had it custom
> made to my performance requests/needs.  I'm running a 2400lb pressure
plate
> with a custom made disc.  Now that I've adjusted the pedal I don't have
any
> problems and it's holding fine.  I'm aggressive at times (more than I
should
> be) and it's holding up fine.  Check out Jeff Lucius' web site for our
> installation instructions and notes.
>
> BEWARE: I've talked to several clutch/tranny shops and asked them about
> adjusting my pedal and I've yet to find anyone who even knows to check the
> pedal adjustment.  They all say the same thing that I had thought; "Hey,
> it's hydrolic so it doesn't need adjusting!"  Wrong answer.  It definately
> needs adjusting.  When you resurface your flywheel, you change the
> engagement point of your clutch and thus have to change your pedal
> adjustment.  I don't quite understand why it isn't self adjusting being
> hydrolic and all, but I don't argue after having to do 2 clutch
replacements
> within 3 months.
>
> Ken Wheeler
> '92 RT/TT
> '67 Mustang
>


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Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 00:35:54 -0800
From: "Chris Maxwell" <shmacker@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: Vacumn leak? I forget...

Quick question:

It sounds like there is a vacumn leak around the throttle body area and I
forget whether it was always like that, like perhaps it's the idle control
thing-a-ma-jig.  The car is stumbling under acceleration right now so I'm
trying to figure out what's wrong.

Thanks,
Chris
92 R/T TT


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Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 19:52:29 -0500
From: GREG RUSH <rush@siscom.net>
Subject: Team3S: ADVICE

I have 92 vr4 with a brand new motor. I upgraded the turbos to 15gs that
came from knight turbos..I am using a saab 9000 BOV.Gutted pre cats with
ATR down pipe and Borla exhaust. HPC coated pistons mild porting on the
heads with updated lash adjustersKnew wires,plugs ect...I went to full
synthetic oil at 2300 miles.I have put 700 miles on it since my oil
change and used about 1 quart but i dont know if I have burned that much
or not because I have an oil leak at the pan[fun].I am running about
10-11 psi on 94 octane.I finally got my hands on a good lap top to do
some TMO data logging.Somthing does not feel right with the car.My EGT
for the front bank reads less than 600f degrees at idle while the back
bank EGT gauge reads 800f degrees both are in the manifolds.When under
load they read prety much the same.I pulled the plugs out of the front
bank and noticed #1 plug had black scum around the rim and a
glaze[grey/brown/yellow] on the insulator while the other 2 did not they
look great. I looked into the plug hole at the top of the piston and
noticed #1 piston had black looking color while the other two were more
of a grey.When I first got the car back I drove it a few hundred miles
befor realizing the timming was way off [retarded] I think that it would
affect all plugs equally.My plans for the future on the fuel system will
be upgraded fuel pump, 550 or 660 inj. and either a VPC or a ARC-2.My
question is could the turbos be to much for my stock fuel set up and
increased boost?If so how could it affect just the #1 piston/plug?Did I
go to full synthetic to soon? Or worse yet did the shop who replaced my
guides not do it properly and that is why I have a black goo on just #1
piston due to the valve guide leaking oil into the chamber.Or could it
be a weak coil? Any input would be greatly apreciated!! Meanwhile I will
be trouble shooting the car with the TMO.Se ya at the DSM shootout and
hopefully I will have a upgraded fuel system and good plugs.
RUSHVR4


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