team3s           Wednesday, November 1 2000           Volume 01 : Number 312




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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:10:22 -0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Helmet Requirements

It depends on the club.  You need to check their specific requirements.
Some go so far as to check the sticker inside the lining before letting you
on the track.  Some have older or newer requirements.

With regard to fireproofing again, it varies - some have rigid requirements
about suits and fire extinguishers, others are more lax.  Check before you
assume you got it right.

Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
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> To: Team 3S
> Subject: Team3S: Helmet Requirements
>
> Do any of our regular club racers know what the minimum requirements are
> for
> helmets?  Is Snell 95 sufficient, or do I need an additional fireproof
> certification?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> DaveT/92TT
>
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:45:50 -0500
From: Rick Diogo <rick@ceo-consulting.com>
Subject: Team3S: Parts for sale

Pair of brand new turbos for a 95 Vr-4.  These are the 9b factory
turbos.  I have a pair of actuators to go with them.  These turbos are
brand new still sealed in the Mitsubishi boxes.    (make offer)

Factory airbox from 94 R/T TT.  - $40

Parts are located in Florida.  Buyer pays shipping.  I ship UPS ground.

Please email privately. Thanks.

Rick Diogo
2000 Viper GTS
ex-94 R/T TT owner - loved it.



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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:05:01 +0000
From: Gordon Tyrrell <gordon.tyrrell@openet-int.com>
Subject: Team3S: Parts shop in Florida

I'm looking for a parts supplier in Florida (Orlando preferably) as I'm
visiting from the 10th Dec. and would be interested in getting some parts
then so I can avoid shipping and import duty headaches.

Thanks

Gordon
Dublin, Ireland
'93 Dark Metallic Grey VVR4 (japanese import)


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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:17:20 EST
From: The68th@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Exhaust Leak

Hey, I swear this car just loves to fall apart on me.  I just brought my car
in the shop for loud exhaust, expecting it to be a broken flex tube or
something.  Turns out that it's a leak in the front exhaust pipe.  And they
claim the part is around $850.00, and it will be a little over a grand after
labor and tax.  Can this be right?  Anyone have a front exhaust tube laying
around from upgrading to custom exhaust?  I have a 1992 Dodge Stealth ES, and
it's all stock.  Also, is it a possibility that this can be patched or
welded, or what price would I be looking at from one of our discount dealers?
 Thanks a lot, you guys keep me on the road.
Chris Boldon
1992 Stealth ES - Loud and in shop

P.S.
Will this hurt my car driving with the exhaust like that?

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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:17:17 EST
From: The68th@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Exhaust Leak

Hey, I swear this car just loves to fall apart on me.  I just brought my car
in the shop for loud exhaust, expecting it to be a broken flex tube or
something.  Turns out that it's a leak in the front exhaust pipe.  And they
claim the part is around $850.00, and it will be a little over a grand after
labor and tax.  Can this be right?  Anyone have a front exhaust tube laying
around from upgrading to custom exhaust?  I have a 1992 Dodge Stealth ES, and
it's all stock.  Also, is it a possibility that this can be patched or
welded, or what price would I be looking at from one of our discount dealers?
 Thanks a lot, you guys keep me on the road.
Chris Boldon
1992 Stealth ES - Loud and in shop

P.S.
Will this hurt my car driving with the exhaust like that?

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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:32:11 -0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Exhaust Leak

just don't breathe the fumes, man!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: The68th@aol.com [SMTP:The68th@aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 10:17 AM
> To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Team3S: Exhaust Leak
>
> Hey, I swear this car just loves to fall apart on me.  I just brought my
> car
> in the shop for loud exhaust, expecting it to be a broken flex tube or
> something.  Turns out that it's a leak in the front exhaust pipe.  And
> they
> claim the part is around $850.00, and it will be a little over a grand
> after
> labor and tax.  Can this be right?  Anyone have a front exhaust tube
> laying
> around from upgrading to custom exhaust?  I have a 1992 Dodge Stealth ES,
> and
> it's all stock.  Also, is it a possibility that this can be patched or
> welded, or what price would I be looking at from one of our discount
> dealers?
>  Thanks a lot, you guys keep me on the road.
> Chris Boldon
> 1992 Stealth ES - Loud and in shop
>
> P.S.
> Will this hurt my car driving with the exhaust like that?
>
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:06:13 -0500
From: Ken Stanton <tt007ken@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Exhaust Leak

You may not like this answer, but that is the right price for a dodge part.
Mitsu will give you the same pipe for about $550, and then their's the option my
fiance took for her '92 ES with a broken front pipe-Monroe Muffler.  It was
$325.  And it is direly important that you change that part because it will throw
off the O2 sensor reading, run rich, bake your cat. conv. and cause ruckus.  Best
of luck!
Ken Stanton
'91 Pearl White RT/TT
Organizer - 3SI Rochester (NY)

The68th@aol.com wrote:

> Hey, I swear this car just loves to fall apart on me.  I just brought my car
> in the shop for loud exhaust, expecting it to be a broken flex tube or
> something.  Turns out that it's a leak in the front exhaust pipe.  And they
> claim the part is around $850.00, and it will be a little over a grand after
> labor and tax.  Can this be right?  Anyone have a front exhaust tube laying
> around from upgrading to custom exhaust?  I have a 1992 Dodge Stealth ES, and
> it's all stock.  Also, is it a possibility that this can be patched or
> welded, or what price would I be looking at from one of our discount dealers?
>  Thanks a lot, you guys keep me on the road.
> Chris Boldon
> 1992 Stealth ES - Loud and in shop
>
> P.S.
> Will this hurt my car driving with the exhaust like that?
>
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:02:05 EST
From: The68th@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Exhaust leak UPDATE

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Ok, I just got a call back from the mechanic.  They say that the pipe cannot
be welded.  It is the bifold part(Whatever that is), and is broken on the
flex part?  I have no clue what this means.  What is the technical name for
the part if I were to call the junk yard or something?  Or can I just get a
performance part that would fit it and not have to pay factory prices?
Thanks again
Chris
1992 Dodge Stealth ES

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<BR>Chris
<BR>1992 Dodge Stealth ES</FONT></HTML>

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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 19:46:41 -0500
From: Michael Reid <mreidis@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: Snow Tires on 94 Stealth TT/AWD - Michelin Pilot Alpins ? 215/55/16 on 16 X 7 steel wheels ?

Hi all,

I'm new to the Team3S list but may have spoken with some of you
on the Starnet list back in 1996.

Back in 96 there seemed to be only two snow tires for the car:
the Dodge recommended Goodyear Eagle M+S and a Pirelli. They were both
about $300 Canadian ($200 US) each and no inexpensive wheels were available.
OEM wheels from Chrysler were about $300 Canadian.

Since they weren't "true" snow tires and they would have cost some
$1400 Canadian with taxes without wheels or $2800 with new wheels, and since
I don't drive the TT too much, especially in bad weather, I decided not to
bother.

Even with the 245/45/ZR-17 OEM Goodyear GSC "frozen hockey pucks", here in
Ottawa, Canada, the AWD made the Stealth so much better than my previous 87
Mustang GT
with 225/60/15s in winter that I was content. Even during the ice storm a
few years ago
during which I drove every day, there was only 1 day when I was nervous...
driving VERY
carefully on pure ice on the 417 highway at 20-30 km/h (12-20 mph) when
most were doing
10-20 km/h (6-12 mph).


Flash forward 4 1/2 years to the present and there seems to be a lot more
variety
for performance snow tires: Michelin, Bridgestone, Dunlop and Yokahama now
make snow tires
in 16", 17" and even some 18" sizes. Also, my local tire guy (Frisby Tire)
tells me he can
now get 16" x 7" steel wheels that should (hopefully?) fit the TT even with
the bigger 94+
brake rotors, and they are only $70 Canadian ($45 US) each.

So, I could get 4 Michelin Pilot Alpin's 215/55/16 on 16 x 7 steel wheels
for about
$1200 Canadian ($800 US) all taxes (7% GST and 8% PST) included. I'm
tempted to go this route
for snow traction and economic reasons.

Or I could get 4 Michelin Pilot Alpin's 235/45/17 on the current OEM
wheels for about
$1300 Canadian ($860 US) or possibly on 17" steel wheels for maybe $1650
Canadian ($1100 US).
Wonder if the $450 extra for 17" tires and steel wheels would buy me much
better dry handling
to be worth it for the 4 1/2 months per year they are on ?


Any thoughts on the Pilot Alpin's ? I don't drive like a maniac very
often, rarely go over
85 mph (did 140 mph once) and have only heard noise from my Goodyear Eagle
GSCs when they were
misaligned; never made them squeal due to cornering, accelleration or
braking. So I don't need
outright performance, but appreciate a quiet, soft, yet OEM sporty feel.

I want decent cold and winter performance over snow and ice on those 20%
of winter days
we might have snow or ice, but I don't want squirm or fast tread wear. I
also want a reasonably
economical and common tire that might be found on a Saturday in Timbuktoo
should a tire need
replacing on a road trip.


Can anyone relate their thoughts/experiences with 16" or 17" steel wheels
on a TT/AWD ?
A 92 owners manual mentions using 16" wheels and 225/55/16 tires on 16 x 8
JJ wheels when using
chains but recommends 235/45/17 Goodyear M+S's without chains.


Thanks for any feedback,
Mike.


Black 1994 Dodge Stealth RT/TT/AWD/ECS.
HKS Super Power Flo air filter (w/ 4 years of dust mod).
HKS Exhaust (and stock BOV goose honk w/ 0.1 - 0.2 bar boost mod).
Occasional 1-2 synchro crunch mod since 96 - no better, no worse.


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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:26:25 EST
From: GREEN3000GTO@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: plugs and plugwires

Hello, I was alwas told that I had to purchase the plugs from the dealer for
about $13 to $15 a pice. Now here is my question I called Audozone and the
said that they carried the Bosch 4+platium plugs for $6.99 a piece and the
Bosch premium plugwires for $89.99. Now I forgot who on this list told me
that these was the best plugwires and plugs to run in our car. Now if this is
the ones then why are the dealer ship wanting $15 for their plugs and
Autozone is only wanting $6.99 for theirs. Autozone even said that they carry
the intake gasket the one you have to remove for $38.99 Do you guys think
that sounds right.

Thanks you.

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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:51:27 -0500
From: Ken Stanton <tt007ken@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: plugs and plugwires

Ok don't know about performance but can talk price!
The plugs you can get for $9.25/each, the wires for $50, and the gasket for $5.25

from Conicelli Mitsubishi in PA.  Call 1-800-892-8994, ask for John, and tell him

you are a 3SI member and that Ken referred you.  He'll take good care of ya.
Best of luck!

Ken Stanton
'91 Pearl White RT/TT
Organizer - 3SI Rochester (NY)



GREEN3000GTO@aol.com wrote:

> Hello, I was alwas told that I had to purchase the plugs from the dealer for
> about $13 to $15 a pice. Now here is my question I called Audozone and the
> said that they carried the Bosch 4+platium plugs for $6.99 a piece and the
> Bosch premium plugwires for $89.99. Now I forgot who on this list told me
> that these was the best plugwires and plugs to run in our car. Now if this is
> the ones then why are the dealer ship wanting $15 for their plugs and
> Autozone is only wanting $6.99 for theirs. Autozone even said that they carry
> the intake gasket the one you have to remove for $38.99 Do you guys think
> that sounds right.
>
> Thanks you.
>
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:09:24 EST
From: "Michael D. Crose" <ncsu4me@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: plugs and plugwires

Use the NGK plugs, the extra money is worth it.  This info is for the turbo
models:
Spark plug wires MD156560 1 Set 53.26 Norco Mitsubishi
NGK Spark Plugs         PFR6J11 6 Plugs 68.12 Advance Auto

The price for the wires is with the 3si 20% discount at Norco
Mitsubishi(1-888-689-1788 ask for Paul.)

Hope this helps,
Michael


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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:28:02 -0800
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: plugs and plugwires

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <GREEN3000GTO@aol.com>

> Hello, I was alwas told that I had to purchase the plugs from the dealer for
> about $13 to $15 a pice. Now here is my question I called Audozone and the
> said that they carried the Bosch 4+platium plugs for $6.99 a piece and the
> Bosch premium plugwires for $89.99

Last I heard the Bosch 4+ were not 'approved' for use on the Mitsubishi ---
I was told that means that they haven't been tested on the car that doesn't
mean they aren't any good just not tested. Bottom line use at your own
risk

        Jim Berry


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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:26:32 EST
From: "Michael D. Crose" <ncsu4me@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Interior lightbulbs and starting ?'s

I have a few bulbs out I was wondering if I could get those at the local
auto parts store or if they are dealer parts.  The inspection light under
the hood, the passenger side vanity light, and the light in the  back of the
hatch are all burnt out.

Also, What makes a car be able to jump to life almost instantaneously?  I
read some where that race engines start fast but run rough, is this true? 
Somedays it takes my car like a second or two to jump to life will the 60K
mile tune up fix this or is there something else that needs to be done?

Thanks,
Michael
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:32:26 -0800
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Softest Springs

- ----- Original Message -----
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>    They don't list spring rates because you get to make your own spring
> rates with the kits.  The Eibach Pro Kit, H&R, and one other one (at 1.75"
> of drop) all have different rates.  And if you get progressive springs then
> you can have to different spring rates in one spring. 

>    The only kits you can't customize as far as rates go are the coilover
> kits (Ground Control for example). 



Not so  ---- the coil-over allows a drop of up to 3+" [ not practical by the way]
and you can choose whatever rate Eibach springs you want.

        Jim Berry


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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 00:22:02 -0500
From: Bill Wagner <wagner@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Exhaust leak UPDATE

If you look underneath the car where both pipes are coming out of the
front and back exhaust banks, the part they are talking about is the
part that joins the two and then sends them down the main exhaust pipe.
The reason it's so expensive is because it's comprised of pipe, rubber
bellows as well as a metallic braid (that's why it's expensive, but it
shouldn't be THAT expensive!).

In any case, I would get a photo copy from the manual showing the
exhaust, verify beyond a doubt that that is the part you need, and then
fax or jpeg it up and e-mail it to some junk dealers. Chances are good
there are plenty of wrecked cars out there with these pieces in good
condition. You might also try Tallahasee Mitsubishi because they sell
3SI members prices at a substatial discount. By the way, this is a VERY
easy part to replace unless you run into a busted bolt.

Good Luck,

Bill Wagner


The68th@aol.com wrote:
>
> Ok, I just got a call back from the mechanic.  They say that the pipe
> cannot
> be welded.  It is the bifold part(Whatever that is), and is broken on
> the
> flex part?  I have no clue what this means.  What is the technical
> name for
> the part if I were to call the junk yard or something?  Or can I just
> get a
> performance part that would fit it and not have to pay factory prices?
>
> Thanks again
> Chris
> 1992 Dodge Stealth ES

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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:32:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Exhaust leak UPDATE

Of course..if anyone missed it.

Ive got one for free.

San Jose, CA..come and get it.

On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Bill Wagner wrote:

> If you look underneath the car where both pipes are coming out of the
> front and back exhaust banks, the part they are talking about is the
> part that joins the two and then sends them down the main exhaust pipe.
> The reason it's so expensive is because it's comprised of pipe, rubber
> bellows as well as a metallic braid (that's why it's expensive, but it
> shouldn't be THAT expensive!).
>
> In any case, I would get a photo copy from the manual showing the
> exhaust, verify beyond a doubt that that is the part you need, and then
> fax or jpeg it up and e-mail it to some junk dealers. Chances are good
> there are plenty of wrecked cars out there with these pieces in good
> condition. You might also try Tallahasee Mitsubishi because they sell
> 3SI members prices at a substatial discount. By the way, this is a VERY
> easy part to replace unless you run into a busted bolt.
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Bill Wagner
>
>
> The68th@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Ok, I just got a call back from the mechanic.  They say that the pipe
> > cannot
> > be welded.  It is the bifold part(Whatever that is), and is broken on
> > the
> > flex part?  I have no clue what this means.  What is the technical
> > name for
> > the part if I were to call the junk yard or something?  Or can I just
> > get a
> > performance part that would fit it and not have to pay factory prices?
> >
> > Thanks again
> > Chris
> > 1992 Dodge Stealth ES
>
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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 00:05:58 -0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Exhaust leak UPDATE

> Of course..if anyone missed it.
> Ive got one for free.
> San Jose, CA..come and get it.

The turbo downpipe won't fit a non-turbo car.  The non-turbo doesn't have
pre-cats and has a curved piece that goes up in the front and mates with the
front exhaust manifold.  I wouldn't be surprised if the dimensions of the
overall pipe lengths going to the manifolds are different as well.

Should be able to find one of those downpipes in a junkyard somewhere
reasonably easily.  Should be able to use one off any base model 3/S for
sure, and the ones for SL/RT are a "maybe".  The service manuals don't make
a distinction between base/ES and SL/RT but do make distinctions between
non-turbo and turbo.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 09:03:39 +0200
From: "Oleg-Telia" <Oleg@telia.lv>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Snow Tires on 94 Stealth TT/AWD - Michelin Pilot Alpins ? 215/55/16 on 16 X 7 steel wheels ?

  I rekomend Bridgestone Blizzak 225/50/R17 as snow tires

Oleg
3SI#0441

> Hi all,
>
> I'm new to the Team3S list but may have spoken with some of you
> on the Starnet list back in 1996.
>
> Back in 96 there seemed to be only two snow tires for the car:
> the Dodge recommended Goodyear Eagle M+S and a Pirelli. They were both
> about $300 Canadian ($200 US) each and no inexpensive wheels were
available.
> OEM wheels from Chrysler were about $300 Canadian.
>
> Since they weren't "true" snow tires and they would have cost some
> $1400 Canadian with taxes without wheels or $2800 with new wheels, and
since
> I don't drive the TT too much, especially in bad weather, I decided not to
> bother.
>
> Even with the 245/45/ZR-17 OEM Goodyear GSC "frozen hockey pucks", here in
> Ottawa, Canada, the AWD made the Stealth so much better than my previous
87
> Mustang GT
> with 225/60/15s in winter that I was content. Even during the ice storm a
> few years ago
> during which I drove every day, there was only 1 day when I was nervous...
> driving VERY
> carefully on pure ice on the 417 highway at 20-30 km/h (12-20 mph) when
> most were doing
> 10-20 km/h (6-12 mph).
>
>
> Flash forward 4 1/2 years to the present and there seems to be a lot more
> variety
> for performance snow tires: Michelin, Bridgestone, Dunlop and Yokahama now
> make snow tires
> in 16", 17" and even some 18" sizes. Also, my local tire guy (Frisby Tire)
> tells me he can
> now get 16" x 7" steel wheels that should (hopefully?) fit the TT even
with
> the bigger 94+
> brake rotors, and they are only $70 Canadian ($45 US) each.
>
> So, I could get 4 Michelin Pilot Alpin's 215/55/16 on 16 x 7 steel wheels
> for about
> $1200 Canadian ($800 US) all taxes (7% GST and 8% PST) included. I'm
> tempted to go this route
> for snow traction and economic reasons.
>
> Or I could get 4 Michelin Pilot Alpin's 235/45/17 on the current OEM
> wheels for about
> $1300 Canadian ($860 US) or possibly on 17" steel wheels for maybe $1650
> Canadian ($1100 US).
> Wonder if the $450 extra for 17" tires and steel wheels would buy me much
> better dry handling
> to be worth it for the 4 1/2 months per year they are on ?
>
>
> Any thoughts on the Pilot Alpin's ? I don't drive like a maniac very
> often, rarely go over
> 85 mph (did 140 mph once) and have only heard noise from my Goodyear Eagle
> GSCs when they were
> misaligned; never made them squeal due to cornering, accelleration or
> braking. So I don't need
> outright performance, but appreciate a quiet, soft, yet OEM sporty feel.
>
> I want decent cold and winter performance over snow and ice on those 20%
> of winter days
> we might have snow or ice, but I don't want squirm or fast tread wear. I
> also want a reasonably
> economical and common tire that might be found on a Saturday in Timbuktoo
> should a tire need
> replacing on a road trip.
>
>
> Can anyone relate their thoughts/experiences with 16" or 17" steel wheels
> on a TT/AWD ?
> A 92 owners manual mentions using 16" wheels and 225/55/16 tires on 16 x 8
> JJ wheels when using
> chains but recommends 235/45/17 Goodyear M+S's without chains.
>
>
> Thanks for any feedback,
> Mike.
>
>
> Black 1994 Dodge Stealth RT/TT/AWD/ECS.
> HKS Super Power Flo air filter (w/ 4 years of dust mod).
> HKS Exhaust (and stock BOV goose honk w/ 0.1 - 0.2 bar boost mod).
> Occasional 1-2 synchro crunch mod since 96 - no better, no worse.
>
>
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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 09:27:01 +0100
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Snow Tires on 94 Stealth TT/AWD

No steel wheels fit our cars and it is definitely not recommended  !!!

For the snow tires we have any 16,17,18" winter tires here in Europe for
many, many years , or how would the proms come to St.Moritz with their
large Merc,BMW or Porsches ;-)

I had some Dunlops 225/50-17 on the stock wheels for two years, then I
moved to the Continental Winter Sport Contact 235/45-17 again on the stock
wheels. They are good for speeds to 210km/h what is the max for winter
tires. I even had them on the car when I have been on the dyno, hehe. Since
years this is the most perfect tire I drove, quiet, lasts long and ice and
snow traction is brilliant. I highly recommend them and use them now too on
the Audi A8.

The Michelins have also been tested in the Alps last month and tehy are
good as well but I don't have any experience with them.

Roger, Switzerland
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch


At 19:46 31.10.2000 -0500, Michael Reid wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>         I'm new to the Team3S list but may have spoken with some of you
>on the Starnet list back in 1996.
>
>         Back in 96 there seemed to be only two snow tires for the car:
>the Dodge recommended Goodyear Eagle M+S and a Pirelli. They were both
>about $300 Canadian ($200 US) each and no inexpensive wheels were available.
>OEM wheels from Chrysler were about $300 Canadian.
>
>         Since they weren't "true" snow tires and they would have cost some
>$1400 Canadian with taxes without wheels or $2800 with new wheels, and since
>I don't drive the TT too much, especially in bad weather, I decided not to
>bother.


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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 08:09:07 -0500
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Softest Springs

Jim,

   Good catch ... I meant to say that the coilovers typically do not come
with progressive springs (since the coilover design is more like stacking
two springs on top of each other).  You can specify the rate but it is
fixed.  A standard Eibach Pro-Kit for example can be a single spring rate or
progressive.
   I basically want to copy the ECS system sine I don't have it and make an
adjustable height control (coilover), adjustable shocks (GAB), and
progressive rates so city driving is not so rough (aka Tour mode).  :-)

- --Flash!
dschilberg@freemarkets.com

3Si #577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ K&N FIPK and a custom spark plug plate
http://www.ec3s.org/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi


- -----Original Message-----
From: Jim Berry [mailto:fastmax@home.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:32 PM
To: Schilberg, Darren; 'Trent'; Team 3S
Subject: Re: Team3S: Softest Springs


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Schilberg, Darren <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>


>    They don't list spring rates because you get to make your own spring
> rates with the kits.  The Eibach Pro Kit, H&R, and one other one (at 1.75"
> of drop) all have different rates.  And if you get progressive springs
then
> you can have to different spring rates in one spring. 

>    The only kits you can't customize as far as rates go are the coilover
> kits (Ground Control for example). 



Not so  ---- the coil-over allows a drop of up to 3+" [ not practical by the
way]
and you can choose whatever rate Eibach springs you want.

        Jim Berry

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 06:19:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Exhaust leak UPDATE

Chris,

Once you identify the part (the $35 Manual on CD and the free Team3S
CAPS software can help with this), you can check with the Mitsu
dealers I list on the Garage Page at my web site or the used-parts
yards I list on the same page.

The CAPS programs describes the downpipe as:
For AWD:           Pipe, Exhaust, FR; Part #MR127473
For SOHC FWD 5M/T: Pipe, Exhaust, FR; Part #MR126660
For DOHC FWD 5M/T: Pipe, Exhaust, FR; Part #MR651620

Now for all I know these are not the exact part numbers you need plus
they actually may be the same part so interchangeable. It is best to
check with your mechanic for the exact part that needs replaced, then
check with a Mitsu dealer for the part number for your car if you
need that. Shop around for the best price.

Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
  --> http://www.stealth316.com/

- ----- Original Message -----
From: The68th@aol.com
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:02 PM
Subject: Team3S: Exhaust leak UPDATE

Ok, I just got a call back from the mechanic.  They say that the pipe
cannot be welded.  It is the bifold part(Whatever that is), and is
broken on the flex part?  I have no clue what this means.  What is
the technical name for the part if I were to call the junk yard or
something?  Or can I just get a performance part that would fit it
and not have to pay factory prices?
Thanks again
Chris
1992 Dodge Stealth ES

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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 08:23:09 CST
From: "Curt Gendron" <curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: plugs and plugwires

Actually, you can buy the stock NGK plugs (PFR6J11) from CarParts.  With the
33% off coupon I have, this makes the plugs only $7.85 a piece.  Just search
for the part number on the CarParts webpage.  To use the discount coupon, go
to:
http://www.mn3s.org/car-parts.html

FYI..  Only put the NGKs in your twin turbo.  You'll regret putting Bosch,
or any other brand in.

later,
Curt
http://www.mn3s.org


>From: "Michael D. Crose" <ncsu4me@hotmail.com>
>To: GREEN3000GTO@aol.com
>CC: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
>Subject: Re: Team3S: plugs and plugwires
>Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:09:24 EST
>
>Use the NGK plugs, the extra money is worth it.  This info is for the turbo
>models:
>Spark plug wires MD156560 1 Set 53.26 Norco Mitsubishi
>NGK Spark Plugs         PFR6J11 6 Plugs 68.12 Advance Auto
>
>The price for the wires is with the 3si 20% discount at Norco
>Mitsubishi(1-888-689-1788 ask for Paul.)
>
>Hope this helps,
>Michael

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:43:47 EST
From: GREEN3000GTO@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: re plugs & plugwires

Thanks everyone for all of your advices. So I guess sense my car is none
turbo     (94 sl) it is best to use the Bosch 4+ Platium plugs. Does everyone
agree.

Thank you.

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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 10:05:19 -0500
From: Michael Reid <mreidis@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Snow Tires on 94 Stealth TT/AWD

Hi Roger,

thanks for your feedback.


At 09:27 AM 11/1/2000 +0100, Roger Gerl wrote:
>No steel wheels fit our cars and it is definitely not recommended  !!!

Well that's what I've heard in the past from everywhere, including my tire
dealer, but now he claims his book shows that they have a 16" steel wheel
for my 94 TT. I'd be willing to try them out to see if they fit with no
problems. If they don't fit I'll go with the 235/45/17's on the OEM wheels.

What do you mean by not recommended ? Not safe to drive ? Not able to give
the performance of 17" wheels/tires ? Or could cause something to break ?

I don't care that much about ultimate dry performance.

Mike.


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