team3s
Monday, July 10
2000
Volume 01 : Number
193
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Date:
Sun, 9 Jul 2000 14:57:59 -0700
From:
jeff.mohler@netapp.comSubject: RE:
track times on the 'net (was Re: Team3S: 1/4 mile times)
This is what
really destroyed the Supra community.
The concepts of ours, thiers, and
the 'other guys' WWW sites.
Just my take on this.
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Steve Gula [
mailto:mrelloco@eudoramail.com]
Sent:
Sunday, July 09, 2000 2:57 PM
To:
team3s@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
track times on the 'net (was Re: Team3S: 1/4 mile times)
Woah there
guys.. a little news before you guys go off on your own...
We're going to
have a database driven track times site for ec3s.org (East
Coast
3000GT/Stealth, an East Coast concentration of 3SI for the most part,
there will
be a West Coast version in the near future by Rob Flynn). EC3S
will get it's
times from 3000GT.COM and 3SI.ORG. And
actually, the way things are going to
be soon, is, when ever someone updates
their membership info on 3SI.org, the
track times will be given to 3000GT.COM
so it can be updated appropriatelyor its
track times. I'm trying to get some
stuff settled with 3000GT.COM's host and
we're having a blast trying to get
in touch with the guy who actually owns
3000GT.COM (the domain name) and pays
the bills for the host.
I think that's all I've got to ramble about
right now. BTW, if you're on (or
near) the East Coast (did you go to Ocean
City?) then go join EC3S
(
http://www.ec3s.org/join.html).. soon
I'll have an internal messaging system
set up and some other nifty stuff.
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- ------------------------------------------------
- --Steve
"Loco3KGT" Gula (
loco3kgt@ec3s.org)
-
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- ------------------
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On Sun, 9 Jul 2000
15:00:42 Gil Gomes wrote:
>I'd gladly link it to
3KGT.com...
>-G
>
>>If I was to set up a database-driven
times list, would people use it?
>Could
>>it be linked-to from
3si.org? I noticed that the list there has only 5
>>entrants, the
best time of which is 13.8, which I personally know at least
>>10
people who are faster than that (including myself)!
>>
http://www.3000gt.com/fastqt.htm
hasn't been updated since 3/27/2000.
>>
>>Submission
guidelines would be similar to those used on the DSM drag
times
>>page.
>>
>>Page:
>>
>>
http://www.heckconsulting.com/dsm/drag.html>>
>>Guidelines:
>>
>>
http://www.heckconsulting.com/dsm/guidelines.html>>
>>
>>Good
idea, or bad idea?
>>
>>-Matt
>>'95 3000GT Spyder
VR4
>>
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:32:34
EDT
From:
StealthCT@aol.comSubject: Team3S: lPump
gas
Altered Atmosphere has had a four wheel dyno up and running for over
a month.
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:22:19
-0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Re: Wastegate question....
Yes, removing the pressure feed to the
wastgates is a bad idea. However, I
don't think though that ours (or any
turbo) will spool infinately and blow
the engine. Not that it couldn't stress
an engine beyond its limits.
Here is my reasoning and I would appreciate
any other thoughts/opinions.
Yesterday on the Colorado Gathering, I and
others could only get about
14-15 psi boost above 10,000 foot elevation. Air
pressure should be
something like 9.3-9.5 psi at that elevation. With 15 psi
boost pressure,
that would be a 2.5-2.6 pressure ratio (PR) in the plenum.
According to
compressor flow maps, my 15Gs can only generate about a 2.8-3.0
PR
(typical for many turbos). Assuming some preassure loss in the IC
systems,
I assumed my turbos must have been "maxxed out" - the EVC IV was set
at
1.25 kg/cm2 (17.8 psi). In other words, the hose to my wastegates
was
essentially "missing" or "plugged" and the turbos were free to spool
as
much as they could. No blown engine (I've been there!). Here in Golden,
CO
(5500 ft elev and 12 psi atm), I can only get about 18 psi out if
the
turbos, again about 2.5 PR in the plenum. This would mean we should
only
be able to get about 22 psi MAX at sea level (14.7 psi atm). [See my
web
site for my mods list and other info.]
So, has anybody taken any
of our turbos beyond 22 psi (at sea level), and
which turbos, mods,
etc?
Jeff Lucius
Red 1992 Stealth TT - modified
-->
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Wise" <
diranged@south-park.cc>
To:
<
stealth@stls.verio.net>
Cc:
<
stealth@stls.verio.net>
Sent:
Sunday, July 09, 2000 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: Wastegate question....
>
Yes you can, and you will get more boost.. but the problem is if
you
dont
> send pressure to the wastegates, then they will never open.
If that
> happens, then guess what, your turbos spool infinately (or until
fuel
> cut) and you destroy your engine. Do you really want to do
that?
>
> On Sun, 9 Jul 2000
Yz3000@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Can
I remove the hose going into the wastegate and get more boost? Is
this
> > safe? Any other help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Holt VR-4`s
>
>
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:40:52
-0000
From: "Sue Smith" <
saintsue@netzero.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Pump gas
Could you please tell us what boost you were running,
what kind of
intercooling or water injection, what was the EGT, & what
gear the dyno
results were made in. I am thinking of selling my '91 R/T
tt because people
said I couldn't get more than 450 hp at the crank on pump
gas -- which isn't
enough for me with this heavy of a car & its
gearing. You could save my
car's life!! Does AAM give you a
printout or some sort of digital graph of
your dyno run that you could give
us a link to?
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To: <
team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
I dyno'ed 443HP at the wheels which would be in excess of 500HP at the
crank
with pump gas.
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:45:08
-0000
From: "Sue Smith" <
saintsue@netzero.net>
Subject:
Team3S: why can Supra's get 410 rwhp on pump gas ...
... just with a
downpipe, bc, and some sort of fuel cut defenser? Sure,
that is
with 19 psi, but why can they run that without their EGT way into
the danger
zone? That is their accepted average rwhp with their bpu which
is what
I listed. I also read on ls1.com where a guy with an RX7 (that ran
10.5
at 130) was talking about one Supra that dynoed (with the aid of
nitrous) at
750 rwhp on pump gas.
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:06:26
-0500
From: Matt Jannusch <
MAJ@BigCharts.com>
Subject: RE: track
times on the 'net (was Re: Team3S: 1/4 mile times)
>> Woah there
guys.. a little news before you guys go off on your own...
> This is
what really destroyed the Supra community.
> The concepts of ours, thiers,
and the 'other guys' WWW sites.
> Just my take on this.
I have to
agree... There should be one fully-authoritative list and
no
others. Right now, the ones I can find are very incomplete, out of
date, or
just plain not effective - no offense meant to anyone who keeps them
up or
for any that I haven't seen which are complete.
Getting times
from one place, updating them to another, etc doesn't seem
like the most
effective way versus having one list to be updated and linked
to from all
sites. The DSM folks have one list which works very well for
them and
it is always updated (at least within a couple weeks) and a lot of
sites
simply link to it rather than try to keep their own list. It is
simple,
and it works.
I'm not in any way saying that it should be "my" list or
whatever, just that
having four or five different "authoritative" lists is
going to cause
problems and that there should be a central repository for
times (preferably
"independent"), which can be linked to by anybody who
wishes to.
I don't know if this is considered on-topic or not. I'm
going to guess
probably not, so we should take this discussion offline if
anyone wishes to
explore the topic.
- -Matt
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 23:27:23
-0000
From: "Sue Smith" <
saintsue@netzero.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Denso iridium spark plugs ???
In the August issue of Sport
Compact Car, there is an ad on pg 160 for
these. It says it is 8x
stronger and 6x harder than platinum, so it has
"high corrosion and wear
resistance (ability to withstand 1200 degree F
hotter than
platinum)." It says they have "the world's smallest
center
electrode, measuring only 0.4 mm in diameter. The smaller
the electrode,
the less voltage required and the better the
ignitability." Anyone have
any comments on these for our cars, or
is anyone using them?
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Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 21:29:19
-0700
From: "Steve Gula" <
mrelloco@eudoramail.com>
Subject:
Team3S: OT : Road Courses / Tracks
I'm curious as to the tracks everyone
goes to (for the EC3S and 3000GT.COM databases) for road courses, not 1/4 miles.
Please respond to me _off_of_the_list_.
mrelloco@eudoramail.com or
loco3kgt@ec3s.org .
Thanks.
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:01:37
+0200
From: Roger Gerl <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Pump gas
On an engine where no or an acceptable ammount knock
exists at high boost
level I can't see why we wouldn't go above 450hp with
pump gas. Of course,
it's another story if detonation occurs and AAM doesn't
know this. Please
note, I've dynoed my car some years ago with 1.25 bars of
boost and got
467PS. Timing was heavily retarded and ex. temps degraded,
engine damaged
(not from the dyno run), etc.....
BTW, it seems that
AAM didn't gave any slips as they only tell what figures
they've read (huh
?). I hope that they get the printer working sometimes so
we can compare the
curves as well :)
Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.chAt 22:40 09.07.2000 +0000, Sue
Smith wrote:
>Could you please tell us what boost you were running, what
kind of
>intercooling or water injection, what was the EGT, & what
gear the dyno
>results were made in. I am thinking of selling my '91
R/T tt because people
>said I couldn't get more than 450 hp at the crank
on pump gas -- which isn't
>enough for me with this heavy of a car &
its gearing. You could save my
>car's life!! Does AAM give you
a printout or some sort of digital graph of
>your dyno run that you could
give us a link to?
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From:
<
StealthCT@aol.com>
>To:
<
team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
>
> I dyno'ed 443HP at the wheels which would be in excess of 500HP at
the
>crank with pump gas.
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 02:34:09
-0500
From: "Trevor L. James" <
trevor@kscable.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Pump gas
Anybody out there ever run
12.35@112.1 or faster on 94 or less octane with
no
water injection? Didn't think so...That would be a true indicator of
having
450+HP, not what a dyno operator or parts merchant tells you. My car
is a good
example of what happens even with some of the best parts when
limited by pump
gas. Around 426HP on 91 octane with 15G's, 550's, a ARC-2GP,
a HKS pump, no cats,
ATR downpipe, and a Borla cat-back. Probably close to a
12.51@109.1 and my car is
quite a bit
lighter than most of you guys' (only 3528lbs). That setup can make
600+HP on
116 leaded. Ask the gentlemen with the quickest times since this is
what most
run. On pump gas though there's not much of a difference from the
12.65@107.9 I ran with the stock turbos and fuel
system. With my current setup
any more boost than 1.07 kg/cm2 or any less
fuel than .94-.96V and my EGT's go
through the roof (over 1640F) and timing
will get seriously retarded due to
knock.
Is it just me or has every
car that's dynoed at Altered Atmosphere made 410+
wheel HP?!? I'd like to see
a stocker's numbers on that dyno...
Trevor
96 R/T TT
92 GMC
Typhoon
Roger Gerl wrote:
> On an engine where no or an
acceptable ammount knock exists at high boost
> level I can't see why we
wouldn't go above 450hp with pump gas. Of course,
> it's another story if
detonation occurs and AAM doesn't know this. Please
> note, I've dynoed my
car some years ago with 1.25 bars of boost and got
> 467PS. Timing was
heavily retarded and ex. temps degraded, engine damaged
> (not from the
dyno run), etc.....
>
> BTW, it seems that AAM didn't gave any slips
as they only tell what figures
> they've read (huh ?). I hope that they
get the printer working sometimes so
> we can compare the curves as well
:)
>
> Roger
> 93'3000GT TT
>
www.rtec.ch>
> At 22:40 09.07.2000
+0000, Sue Smith wrote:
> >Could you please tell us what boost you were
running, what kind of
> >intercooling or water injection, what was the
EGT, & what gear the dyno
> >results were made in. I am
thinking of selling my '91 R/T tt because people
> >said I couldn't get
more than 450 hp at the crank on pump gas -- which isn't
> >enough for
me with this heavy of a car & its gearing. You could save my
>
>car's life!! Does AAM give you a printout or some sort of digital
graph of
> >your dyno run that you could give us a link to?
>
>
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <
StealthCT@aol.com>
> >To: <
team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
>
> > > I dyno'ed 443HP at the wheels which would be in excess of
500HP at the
> >crank with pump gas.
>
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 00:34:15
-0700
From:
jeff.mohler@netapp.comSubject: RE:
Team3S: Ceramic brakes was :Turbo Size
Ok Brad..its back in your
court.
I WILL buy a FULL RACE front brake kit..if it exists
somewhere.
I have not discounted talked to Baer about a kit as
well.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Brad Bedell [
mailto:bbedell@austin.rr.com]
Sent:
Saturday, July 08, 2000 3:01 PM
To: Roger Gerl (RTEC);
team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
RE: Team3S: Ceramic brakes was :Turbo Size
I was poking around on
Swain's web site.
http://www.swaintech.com/Anyone
considered having the rotors thermally coated?
Brad
Check out my
home page:
http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/E-Mail:
bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#
3612682
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From:
owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st[
mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On
Behalf Of Roger Gerl (RTEC)
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 3:56 PM
To:
team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Re: Team3S: Ceramic brakes was :Turbo Size
> Is it safe to assume that
this is a FULL rotor/caliper replacement,
and..will
- -not- crack or
fade?
No fade but crack .. well it's ceramic and IMHO somewhat more prone
to
crack. But this is probably the cause that they put in the 4 pads and
the
angled caliper so there is probably much less cracking
danger.
BTW, I just heard that these brakes are also available for the
racing
version of the Ferrari 360 Modena !
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:58:38
-0400
From: Brian Geisel <
brian.geisel@compaq.com>
Subject:
[Fwd: Re: Team3S: 1/4 mile times]
Jason Barnhart
wrote:
> That does seem somewhat slow, what
year is the vehicle? Was this your
> first/only run so far, done
much racing on the street? A downpipe would probably
> help a bit,
perhaps some other exhaust work, but that should make your car a
>
potential 12s vehicle. Experience will help a lot, and if it's a 94+ don't
be as
> scared to drive it like you stole
it.
> With slip clutch launches I managed a 13.64
my first day at the track, that
> was with just a Weapon-R filter and
enough miles on my plugs and wires that it
> probably negated most of the
advantage the filter gave me. On the second day at
> the track I
managed a
13.36@102.54 and a 13.39@???
and these were still with the
> filter as my only mod. I'll all but
guarantee you that a 300zx won't run
> 13.2@108 stock. I've yet to
be impressed with even a modified one. I'll have to
> capture my
race video that included one 300zx tt struggling for high 13s, I think
>
he finally managed to break into the 13s once. If it was modified at all,
that
> just makes it worse. I'm not sure if it was a manual tranny
though, I'll have to
> watch the tape again. I was too busy laughing
at how a car with similar power
> and weight could be so much slower than
a Supra or even our heavier cars. The
> other one on the tape had
some money in it and couldn't run 12s. He was a great,
> or lucky,
driver and cut a .501 reaction time and beat my 12.8* run with a 13.1*
>
as he beat me to the end of the track. I'd be willing to bet
that a stock
> 300zx couldn't run 13.2@108 even with race gas and
slicks. That mph would
> require about 350 hp.
>
>
Jason
>
12.82@109.4 (wheel-hopping my way
to an incredible 1.92 60')
> 14.07@94 (worst run ever)
>
>
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Dude!
You were running 13.36 with just an air
filter (is that what the
Weapon-R is)?
This is an otherwise stock
VR-4? What year man? What were your 60' and
what were you doing
to shift?
With an underdrive pulley and a K&N FIPK
I'm running 13.61 @ 101.5.
You
had me by .3 and 1 mph which is pretty
significant considering identical
mods.
You were running stock boost,
right?
geis
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:14:48
-0400
From: Brian Geisel <
brian.geisel@compaq.com>
Subject:
Re: track times on the 'net (was Re: Team3S: 1/4 mile times)
Ah,
Dude...
3si has a $$ membership fee. I don't care if
it's 50 cents, they still have a fee. There are plenty of
places out
there w/o a fee (like the DSM places) that post times. Will we be able to
send times
directly to you? Because right now 3000GT doesn't seem to
update too often and 3si has like
4 people listed on their page. If we
can't update times easily, then we'll (some one here) start a
page for
this.
Will you be updated frequently, free, and easy to access?
That's what we want to know.
geis:)
Steve Gula wrote:
>
Woah there guys.. a little news before you guys go off on your
own...
>
> We're going to have a database driven track times site
for ec3s.org (East Coast 3000GT/Stealth, an East Coast concentration of 3SI for
the most part, there will be a West Coast version in the near future by Rob
Flynn). EC3S will get it's times from 3000GT.COM and 3SI.ORG.
And actually, the way things are going to be soon, is, when ever someone updates
their membership info on 3SI.org, the track times will be given to 3000GT.COM so
it can be updated appropriatelyor its track times. I'm trying to get some stuff
settled with 3000GT.COM's host and we're having a blast trying to get in touch
with the guy who actually owns 3000GT.COM (the domain name) and pays the bills
for the host.
>
> I think that's all I've got to ramble about right
now. BTW, if you're on (or near) the East Coast (did you go to Ocean City?) then
go join EC3S (
http://www.ec3s.org/join.html).. soon
I'll have an internal messaging system set up and some other nifty
stuff.
>
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> --Steve "Loco3KGT" Gula
(
loco3kgt@ec3s.org)
> --1995
Glacier White Pearl 3000GT
> ------------------
> --East Coast
3000GT/Stealth
> --http://www.ec3s.org/
>
------------------------------------------------
>
> On Sun, 9 Jul
2000 15:00:42 Gil Gomes wrote:
> >I'd gladly link it
to 3KGT.com...
> >-G
> >
> >>If I was to set up a
database-driven times list, would people use it?
> >Could
>
>>it be linked-to from 3si.org? I noticed that the list there has
only 5
> >>entrants, the best time of which is 13.8, which I
personally know at least
> >>10 people who are faster than that
(including myself)!
> >>
http://www.3000gt.com/fastqt.htm
hasn't been updated since 3/27/2000.
> >>
> >>Submission
guidelines would be similar to those used on the DSM drag times
>
>>page.
> >>
> >>Page:
> >>
>
>>
http://www.heckconsulting.com/dsm/drag.html>
>>
> >>Guidelines:
> >>
> >>
http://www.heckconsulting.com/dsm/guidelines.html>
>>
> >>
> >>Good idea, or bad idea?
>
>>
> >>-Matt
> >>'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
>
>>
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:01:16
-0600
From: Dean Knoepfle <
speedfreek@uswest.net>
Subject:
Team3S: allignment with lowing springs
I know this subject has been
kicked around a lot lately but
here it goes again. I have a 1994 VR4 with
Eibach 1"
lowering springs. The place that I am currently taking it
to get
alligned says that they can not get it to spec
without different eccentrics.
They started in the back, then
went to the front, and by time they got the
front perfect
the back was off about -2.5. Is it impossible to get
it
perfect without buying some different parts? Is there parts
available
for a cheap price? And if not what would be the
best possible allignment that
I should have them do? I use
my car as a daily driver and just want it to go
straight
down the road without it grabbing every rut and without
having my
steering wheel shimmy at 60+ MPH and with the
least amount of tire wear.
Thanks for all who reply!!
Dean
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:11:31
-0400
From: Brian Geisel <
brian.geisel@compaq.com>
Subject:
[Fwd: Re: track times on the 'net (was Re: Team3S: 1/4 mile times)]
Matt
Jannusch wrote:
> >> Woah there guys.. a little news before you
guys go off on your own...
>
> > This is what really destroyed
the Supra community.
> > The concepts of ours, thiers, and the 'other
guys' WWW sites.
> > Just my take on this.
>
> I have to
agree... There should be one fully-authoritative list and no
>
others. Right now, the ones I can find are very incomplete, out of date,
or
> just plain not effective - no offense meant to anyone who keeps them
up or
> for any that I haven't seen which are complete.
>
>
Getting times from one place, updating them to another, etc doesn't seem
>
like the most effective way versus having one list to be updated and
linked
> to from all sites. The DSM folks have one list which works
very well for
> them and it is always updated (at least within a couple
weeks) and a lot of
> sites simply link to it rather than try to keep
their own list. It is
> simple, and it works.
>
> I'm
not in any way saying that it should be "my" list or whatever, just that
>
having four or five different "authoritative" lists is going to cause
>
problems and that there should be a central repository for times
(preferably
> "independent"), which can be linked to by anybody who wishes
to.
>
> I don't know if this is considered on-topic or not.
I'm going to guess
> probably not, so we should take this discussion
offline if anyone wishes to
> explore the topic.
>
>
-Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4
>
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Yes, point is someone needs to get a site up that is
accurate,
up-to-date,
and easy to post to. I think it should require
a time slip (G-force
doesn't
always work as well as one might like to
think). That's just my
opinion.
It definitely needs to be in one
place that is kept up well. I'd be
willing to
keep it also, but
_someone_ has to do it.
geis
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:27:39
-0500
From: "cody" <
overclck@flash.net>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: allignment with lowing springs
In my experience, the alignment of
the front has absolutely nothign to do
with the rear of the car. Each
is adjusted independently. Your major
concerns are camber and
toe. Try to get tow as low as possible - it will
wear some tires even
faster than extreme camber. I mean you should be able
to get
close... 1.5 degree neg. camber in the rear. should be achievable,
with
aceptable toe. The front should come pretty darn close to
aligning
perfectly. I lowered my car more than an inch, and the front
is perfect - I
actually could use a touch of negative camber... The
fronts for the VR-4 is
the same as for the SL, so your results should be the
same. Have them
adjsut the front suspension first, they should get it
perfectly into spec -
if not, then your car has been in an accident that
torqued the frame, or
some other extreme force has acted upon it. I'm
not too sure about the
rears, but neg. 2.5 degrees camber is alot, Liek i
mentioned, you SHOULD be
able to get close to correct toe spec, and around
1.5 deg negative camber,
which wouldn't be too terribly bad of a
setup...
- -Cody
- -----Original Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st[
mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On
Behalf Of Dean Knoepfle
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 10:01 AM
To:
team3s@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Team3S: allignment with lowing springs
I know this subject has been
kicked around a lot lately but
here it goes again. I have a 1994 VR4 with
Eibach 1"
lowering springs. The place that I am currently taking it
to get
alligned says that they can not get it to spec
without different eccentrics.
They started in the back, then
went to the front, and by time they got the
front perfect
the back was off about -2.5. Is it impossible to get
it
perfect without buying some different parts? Is there parts
available
for a cheap price? And if not what would be the
best possible allignment that
I should have them do? I use
my car as a daily driver and just want it to go
straight
down the road without it grabbing every rut and without
having my
steering wheel shimmy at 60+ MPH and with the
least amount of tire wear.
Thanks for all who reply!!
Dean
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:19:04
-0700
From: Ken Middaugh <
Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: brakes
Gil Gomes wrote:
>
> I'm just about ready to order a set of
Stillen
> Sport Rotors and their Metal Matrix pads as
> well as
their Sport Street Brake Lines.
>
> Anybody
have any experience with these?
> Also... I've got a line on a full set of
calipers
> from a '91 VR4. Will these fit in my '95 3000GT
>
Base? I've got aftermarket wheels with plenty
> of
clearance.
> Thanx for any help, all..
It depends if you will be
using them soley for street driving, or track
driving. Stillen should
be fine for mild to regular street driving. For
aggressive street
driving or track driving, there are better and similarly
priced
alternatives.
Stillen rotors have been reported in the past to crack (the
crossdrilled ones)
and warp by others on the list. I've tried the Metal
Matrix pads and they are
fine for street but wore down very fast on the track
and unevenly scored my
rotors.
I use ('91 VR4) and recommend the
following for agressive street driving and
occasional track driving.
Porterfield,
http://www.porterfield-brakes.com/,
cryogenically
treated rotors (non-slotted, non-drilled). They should cost
under
$250/set for 1st gen. For pads, I like KVR,
http://www.kvrperformance.com/,
Carbon
Fiber pads at $63/set. They do dust more than stock and they also take
a
normal stop or two, or about 3/4 second during a hard stop, to heat up
and
provide max braking power. If this is an issue, then the stock pads
are really
very good for street driving. Finally, Brad Bedell <
bbedell@austin.rr.com> may
still
have some Goodridge Stainless Steel brake lines available at $190/set.
- --
Forget world peace -- visualize using your turn signal!
Ken Middaugh
(858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:32:24
-0500
From: Matt Jannusch <
MAJ@BigCharts.com>
Subject: RE: track
times on the 'net (was Re: Team3S: 1/4 mile times)
> Yes, point is
someone needs to get a site up that is accurate,
> up-to-date, and easy to
post to. I think it should require a
> time slip (G-force doesn't
always work as well as one might like
> to think). That's just my
opinion. It definitely needs to be
> in one place that is kept up
well. I'd be willing to
> keep it also, but _someone_ has to
do it.
Yup, that echoes my sentiments exactly. I don't want to have
to be part of
a particular club in order to be able to post a time, or
exclude anyone
because they "aren't part of the team" or whatever. I
just want a list of
the fastest/quickest 3/S cars period. You could
certainly add a club
affiliations field into the database so that people
could see lists based on
certain groups or whatever. The idea is to
make it flexible and complete so
other people don't HAVE to maintain their
own lists.
GTech might be acceptable for times over 12.0 or something
(with a note on
the time that it is GTech and not "real" - or in a separate
category,
because I know not everyone has a dragstrip nearby), but I'd say
anything in
the top-10 requires a timeslip to be on-file, with another
timeslip from the
same day showing the same car number for
verification.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:43:25
-0400
From: Brian Geisel <
brian.geisel@compaq.com>
Subject:
Re: track times on the 'net (was Re: Team3S: 1/4 mile
times)
Matt,
I think that hits it on the
head. If there's a G-tech or a time w/o a
timeslip, it could get in,
but some how denoted as such. I definitely
like the top 10
rules.
How do the rest of you feel about this?
For starnet people
- We're discussing setting up a 1/4" mi time list
that we can all get to and
works well. Read the previous posts below.
geis
Matt
Jannusch wrote:
> > Yes, point is someone needs to get a site up
that is accurate,
> > up-to-date, and easy to post to. I think it
should require a
> > time slip (G-force doesn't always work as well as
one might like
> > to think). That's just my opinion. It
definitely needs to be
> > in one place that is kept up well. I'd
be willing to
> > keep it also, but _someone_ has to do
it.
>
> Yup, that echoes my sentiments exactly. I don't want
to have to be part of
> a particular club in order to be able to post a
time, or exclude anyone
> because they "aren't part of the team" or
whatever. I just want a list of
> the fastest/quickest 3/S cars
period. You could certainly add a club
> affiliations field into the
database so that people could see lists based on
> certain groups or
whatever. The idea is to make it flexible and complete so
> other
people don't HAVE to maintain their own lists.
>
> GTech might be
acceptable for times over 12.0 or something (with a note on
> the time
that it is GTech and not "real" - or in a separate category,
> because I
know not everyone has a dragstrip nearby), but I'd say anything in
> the
top-10 requires a timeslip to be on-file, with another timeslip from the
>
same day showing the same car number for verification.
>
>
-Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4
>
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Date: Mon Jul 10 13:58:45
2000
From:
StealthCT@aol.comSubject: Team3S: Pump
Gas
I have a time sheet from the 75/80 race way showing the 11.9 that I
ran on pump gas.
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Date: Mon Jul 10 14:21:39
2000
From:
StealthCT@aol.comSubject: Team3S: Pump
gas
It is not true that AAM does not give dyno sheets. I have six
runs on the dyno and I have sheets on each and every run which identifies the
boost settings and other pertinent data. I am not sure why Roger is so
ready to dismiss the AAM dyno as not providing acruate info.
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:42:22
-0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Pump gas
If you don't mind, would you please scan and post
these dyno sheets for
us?
Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476,
StealthMan92@yahoo.comRed 1992
Stealth TT - modified
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From:
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14:21:39 2000
Subject: Team3S: Pump gas
To: <
team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
> It is not true that AAM does not give dyno sheets. I
have six runs on
> the dyno and I have sheets on each and every run which
identifies the
> boost settings and other pertinent data. I am not
sure why Roger is so
> ready to dismiss the AAM dyno as not providing
acruate info.
>
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:38:15
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From:
Aso8@aol.comSubject: Team3S:
Custom Tranny Update
Preliminary information on the Lenco Tranny I've
been researching is as
follows:
They make both a 4 or 5 speed
street/strip tranny they claim will hold up to
1200hp.
It's called the
ST1200. It will need at least some floor modifications to
install it.
The
4 speed is 29" long & the 5 speed is 34" long. These dimensions don't
include the Bell housing. Prices are $4600. for the 4-spd and $5500. for the
5-spd. Prices include the shifters only. Shafts, transfer cases, etc., will
be more. I'm still getting a lot more info but its coming slow. Please,
don't
call with a million questions if you have no need or intention of
going this
way. Once I feel confident we could use it I'll post the details
and maybe
try to get a group discount. If you consider the cost of a dealer
new tranny
its in the same area. If this is a "Bulletproof" tranny I'd buy
it now.
I'm hoping this may be a possible substitute for our Getrags for
racing use.
Arty 91 VR-4
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Date: Mon Jul 10 15:39:09
2000
From:
StealthCT@aol.comSubject: Team3S: Pump
Gas
I am in travel status right now and do not have the sheets with
me. I should be back in my office in two weeks and will send them to Bob
Forrest. You can verify my claims in the meantime be calling or E-Mailing
AAM (301-330-8835). Keep in mind the HP I obtained is by no ways the
highest seen at AAM. I still have a way to go.
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:20:12
+0200
From: Matthews <
matthews@bnro.de>
Subject: Team3S: AWD
dyno results (was: Pump gas)
StealthCT@aol.com wrote:
>
>
Roger Gerl wrote:
>
> > BTW, it seems that AAM didn't gave any
slips as they only tell what figures
> > they've read (huh ?). I hope
that they get the printer working sometimes so
> > we can compare the
curves as well :)
>
> It is not true that AAM does not give dyno
sheets. I have six runs on the dyno and I have sheets on each and every
run which identifies the boost settings and other pertinent data. I am not
sure why Roger is so ready to dismiss the AAM dyno as not providing acruate
info.
I doubt anyone wants to dismiss the AAM dyno as inaccurate; the
more
certified/accurate/reliable/consistent AWD dynos available to 3S owners
the
better! Which car has the most power is of little consequence (if I
put your
mods on my car, then they would theoretically have similar power
output - gee
whiz!); what's important is determining the power increase
resulting from a
specific modification or a certain combination of
modifications. But to make a
reasonable comparison, the dynos used must
be consistent (ideally the same dyno
with the same car before and after mods
on the same day at the same temperature,
etc., but it's not realistic to
insist on this). If the AAM dyno is taking
measurements identical to
the government-certified dyno to which we have access
in Zurich, then we're
in good shape.
Roger's skepticism is certainly enhanced by his initial
dyno experience with the
overly optimistic equipment at Digit Power. It
is of course in a tuner's best
interest to show large horsepower gains for
the parts & labor they sell to
clients. I don't think anyone
suspects AAM of inflating results, but it is
possible that their dyno
readings are inconsistent with those taken by the dyno
we're using (maybe
even on the conservative side!).
Roger's point is that we've seen peak
readings reported from AAM dyno testing,
but we have not been able to get our
hands on the actual dyno data sheets to
compare behavior throughout the RPM
band. Can you make your sheets available to
us? This would be of
interest to a great many folks. Even more interesting
would be a dyno
run for a car with exactly the same mods as one of ours that was
tested on 1
Feb 99. Mine had (has!) very few mods, so perhaps it wouldn't
be
difficult to find an identical configuration on your side of the pond that
could
be tested...
Thanks!
-Jim
P.S.- WIth all of these AWD
dynos popping up, perhaps we should think about
adding a dyno results page to
the Team3S web site?
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Jet Black '94 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable
Active Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R
(1.0 bar @ 64% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off
Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Redline fluids (trans, xfer,
diff)
Porterfield cryo-treated rotors, RS4 pads, braided lines
Michelin
Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 171 mph
G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4
13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 406 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft
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