Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth  Tuesday, September 11 2001  Volume 01 : Number 608




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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:02:41 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center

All

The enormity of the event and the resultant deaths will undoubtedly
surpass the deaths caused by the initial attack on Pearl Harbor.
The major difference is the single focal point against which to
retaliate ---- I worry about any unwarranted reprisals against all
people of Persian decent only because of their heritage.

I can only hope that the people responsible and their supporters
are somehow brought to justice without the suspension of the
constitutional rights afforded to the people of the United States.
No matter how abhorrent and repulsive the terrorist act was, the
abandonment of our principals of freedom and justice  is far to
great a price to pay just to affect some measure of retribution.

I can only hope that this act will sign the death warrant for this
type of terrorism by mobilizing the world community against the
terrorists and the countries who support them and allow them to
function within their borders with impunity.

Few world events have brought tears to my eyes --- this was one
and I sorry to say it will probably not be the last.

        Jim Berry
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: Willis, Charles E. <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>

> Thanks for providing a safe place to land!
>
> Thanks also for your sympathetic feelings, but I think the scope of this
> mess sortof eclipses the murder of a single individual, icon or not.
>
> More like Pearl Harbor in many respects.
>
> Chuck

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:36:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Team3S: OT: Disaster Assistance, how you can help.

Give Blood.

Expect a serious shortage across North America.

Call your local Red Cross center for information.

*New & Improved: http://www.speedtoys.com *


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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:33:33 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center

I understand your inability to concentrate - I'm supposed to be writing some
sort of book chapter.  First time we all donated blood was the Texas A&M
Bonfire disaster.  Let's look on the bright side - this is not an earthquake
so the local medical services and infrastructure is still functional even
though currently overwhelmed with the volume of casualties.  Undoubtedly
there will be many, many deaths, but I think we'll be pleasantly surprised
to see how many survivors make it through.  People are incredibly resiliant
creatures, let's not write them all off just yet.Your idea about donating
blood is right on the mark.

Chuck Willis

Texas

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Koch [SMTP:rakoch.bmd@primusint.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:14 PM
> To: 'Willis, Charles E.'; Team3S (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center
>
> I heard on the news....now this is about as reliable as a rubber crutch in
>
> hospital as all news reports are and I am about as far as you could be
> from
> this crisis, We are being told that perhaps thousands made it out right
> after the first plane. 18 minutes later the second hit maybe enough time
> to
> get some out. "they" say from the 110 floors in each building if you were
> on 60 and up you had no chance. 20k per building at 10 am EDT. Those
> things
> were full.
> So  you figure 45-50% of the 40k total....yeah an exaggeration but not by
> much.........probably in the 20k mark by day 7 of this tragedy. I can't
> stand not being able to do anything at this moment. I will most certainly
> donate profits from my cover plates to the cause of relief with the
> victims. I will consider giving blood to our local bank in hopes that
> anything will help, I encourage others to do so as well. ( I have never
> donated blood before, today is a good day to do so).
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Willis, Charles E. [SMTP:cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:05 AM
> To: 'Robert Koch'
> Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center
>
> You are damned right about retribution that needs to be swift and
> surgical.
> It's hard to worry about collateral damage to a culture that deifies
> cowardly behavior against unarmed civilians.  But let's not exaggerate -
> we
> lost about 60,000 people in Vietnam - there are a lot of names on the
> wall,
> about the number we were losing each year in traffic fatalities in the US
> at
> that time.  There are obviously thousands of casualties here, but doesn't
> look close on the slaughter scale.
>
> Your turn: cut their nuts off!
>
> Chuck Willis
> NDSM X2
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robert Koch [SMTP:rakoch.bmd@primusint.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:48 AM
> > To: 'Willis, Charles E.'
> > Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center
> >
> > Godspeed....to those victims in both the airliners as well as those on
> the
> >
> > ground and in the buildings. I am completely speechless. After viewing
> the
> >
> > news in the Palestinian countries and watching them parade as we do only
> > after a Super bowl or World Series, I find myself trying very hard not
> to
> > hate those by race or creed. This will be a very trying time for our
> homes
> >
> > and families. In one swoop we may have lost more Americans then we did
> in
> > Vietnam. I am deeply saddened with this.
> >
> > This must be delt with in a swift manner, Those responsible must be
> > eliminated with extreme prejudice.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Willis, Charles E.
> [SMTP:cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:15 AM
> > To: Team3S
> > Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center
> >
> > In the recent past, the US has not been averse to dropping a Cruise
> > missile
> > or two on problem areas.  I am afraid we can expect two changes - less
> > aversion to direct action by the US, more like the Brits, and sacrifice
> of
> > personal freedoms and civil liberties that we have become accustomed to
> so
> > that agencies responsible for enforcement can protect us more
> effectively.
> >
> > Chuck Willis
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Andrew D. Woll [SMTP:awoll1@pacbell.net]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:22 AM
> > > To: Willis, Charles E.; Team3S
> > > Subject: Re: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center
> > >
> > > It seems to me that we have watchdog agencies such as the CIA that
> have
> > > lists of terrorist. Within these lists, it seems to make sense that we
> > > probably have a select few that are known terrorist with information
> > > rising
> > > to the 95th percentile. It is too bad we also have federal laws
> > > prohibiting
> > > our country from hunting these people down and just shooting them.
> Maybe
> > > it
> > > is time to change the law.
> > >
> > > Andy

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:55:36 -0400
From: Steve Petry <sjpsys@rit.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center

I also have noticed that all the jets that were hijacked, were heading to
the west coast from the east coast, so they had FULL FUEL loads, Only those
planes were Hijacked, all local and short flights were spared.


- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Floyd, Jim
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:40 PM
To: Team3S
Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center

Thank you.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Darc [mailto:wce@telus.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:27 AM
To: Team3S
Subject: Re: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center

Obviously a group or country with the resources to train adhock airline
pilots, rehearse co-ordinated airliner hijackings,  and fund this all,  and
do it in secrecy,  is at the root of these horrific events.  Assume plane
take overs were fast and that flight crews were executed to prevent
interference. This has to be a large group/cell, or a country. BTW Our air
traffic control boys (family employees) are taxed to the limit taking your
diverted and now inbound flights. Hopefully the RCMP will be screening
offloading, although likely all designated hijacked/target planes and their
terrorists are history. This plays out with the same feeling of dumbstruck
numbness and background fear as was elicited by the Kennedy assassination so
long ago.

My deepest empathy to your nation

Darc

Canada

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:48:01 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Berry [SMTP:fastmax@home.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:03 PM
> To: Willis, Charles E.; Team3S
> Subject: Re: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center
>
> I worry about any unwarranted reprisals against all
> people of Persian decent only because of their heritage.
[Willis, Charles E.]  I do too!  Most people are not as discerning
as you and me - that's why we wound up with internment camps for
Japanese-Americans during World War II  Most people tend to generalize about
horrendous behaviour.  

> I can only hope that the people responsible and their supporters
> are somehow brought to justice without the suspension of the
> constitutional rights afforded to the people of the United States.
[Willis, Charles E.]  That's the trick, isn't it?
>  
> No matter how abhorrent and repulsive the terrorist act was, the
> abandonment of our principals of freedom and justice  is far to
> great a price to pay just to affect some measure of retribution.
[Willis, Charles E.]  The things the blindfolded lady is balancing
are freedom and justice - sometimes we wind up losing a little of one to get
the other one.

> I can only hope that this act will sign the death warrant for this
> type of terrorism by mobilizing the world community against the
> terrorists and the countries who support them and allow them to
> function within their borders with impunity.
[Willis, Charles E.]  Now there's a constructive suggestion - we
know what countries these are, we know who has state-sponsored terrorism,
now let's just have a formal declaration of war on THESE PLACES.

The problem is that no one in the international community, including
us, seems to have the stomach for holding rogue nations accountable.

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:56:10 PDT
From: Yahoo! News <refertofriend@reply.yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Yahoo! News Story - Palestinians in Lebanon fire with joy at anti-US attacks

Steve Petry (sjpsys@rit.edu)</b> has sent you a news article
Personal message:
I think we can say they are involved.

AIN AL-HELWEH, Lebanon, Sept 11 (AFP) - <p>Dozens of Palestinian refugees fired into the air with joy Tuesday at news of apparent anti-US terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, AFP correspondents witnessed.</p><p>Guerrillas in military fatigues from various factions fired assault rifles and rocket-propelled grenades into the air in the Ain al-Helweh refugee camp at the outskirts of the southern port city of Sidon, one correspondent said.</p><p>Camp residents, some still in pyjamas, interrupted afternoon rests to rush down to the streets and fire assault rifles into the air, they said.</p><p>At the Shatila refugee camp in Beirut, Palestinian fighters also went out to the streets as soon as they heard the news from their television sets to fire into the air with joy, an AFP correspondent said.

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:55:54 -0500
From: Jeff Crabtree <wjcrabtree@earthlink.net>
Subject: Team3S: NYC/Washington DC

Does anyone know of the 3/S members in the two affected areas?  Let us
all know that you and yours are OK.   PLEASE!

EVERYONE PLEASE GO DONATE BLOOD.

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:44:04 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Willis, Charles E. <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>

> > No matter how abhorrent and repulsive the terrorist act was, the
> > abandonment of our principals of freedom and justice  is far to
> > great a price to pay just to affect some measure of retribution.
> [Willis, Charles E.]  The things the blindfolded lady is balancing
> are freedom and justice - sometimes we wind up losing a little of one to get
> the other one.

Another of my concerns --- the ratcheting loss of freedom brought about
in the name of security against some known or unknown threat. I find
the populace in general apathetic about the intervention of government
in their lives --- an event like this allows more governmental intrusion at
the cost of permanent loss of some freedoms.

Is the continuning loss of freedom worth the security it affords ---- I
think not, but the dead and dying in New York would probably think
otherwise.

        Jim Berry


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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:10:32 -0600
From: "Floyd, Jim" <Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center

Radio is asking everyone to donate blood.
I have a site in Boulder, CO picked out for my donation.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Willis, Charles E. [mailto:cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:34 AM
To: Team3S (E-mail)
Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center


I understand your inability to concentrate - I'm supposed to be writing some
sort of book chapter.  First time we all donated blood was the Texas A&M
Bonfire disaster.  Let's look on the bright side - this is not an earthquake
so the local medical services and infrastructure is still functional even
though currently overwhelmed with the volume of casualties.  Undoubtedly
there will be many, many deaths, but I think we'll be pleasantly surprised
to see how many survivors make it through.  People are incredibly resiliant
creatures, let's not write them all off just yet.Your idea about donating
blood is right on the mark.

Chuck Willis

Texas

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Koch [SMTP:rakoch.bmd@primusint.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:14 PM
> To: 'Willis, Charles E.'; Team3S (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center
>
> I heard on the news....now this is about as reliable as a rubber crutch in
>
> hospital as all news reports are and I am about as far as you could be
> from
> this crisis, We are being told that perhaps thousands made it out right
> after the first plane. 18 minutes later the second hit maybe enough time
> to
> get some out. "they" say from the 110 floors in each building if you were
> on 60 and up you had no chance. 20k per building at 10 am EDT. Those
> things
> were full.
> So  you figure 45-50% of the 40k total....yeah an exaggeration but not by
> much.........probably in the 20k mark by day 7 of this tragedy. I can't
> stand not being able to do anything at this moment. I will most certainly
> donate profits from my cover plates to the cause of relief with the
> victims. I will consider giving blood to our local bank in hopes that
> anything will help, I encourage others to do so as well. ( I have never
> donated blood before, today is a good day to do so).
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Willis, Charles E. [SMTP:cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:05 AM
> To: 'Robert Koch'
> Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center
>
> You are damned right about retribution that needs to be swift and
> surgical.
> It's hard to worry about collateral damage to a culture that deifies
> cowardly behavior against unarmed civilians.  But let's not exaggerate -
> we
> lost about 60,000 people in Vietnam - there are a lot of names on the
> wall,
> about the number we were losing each year in traffic fatalities in the US
> at
> that time.  There are obviously thousands of casualties here, but doesn't
> look close on the slaughter scale.
>
> Your turn: cut their nuts off!
>
> Chuck Willis
> NDSM X2
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robert Koch [SMTP:rakoch.bmd@primusint.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:48 AM
> > To: 'Willis, Charles E.'
> > Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center
> >
> > Godspeed....to those victims in both the airliners as well as those on
> the
> >
> > ground and in the buildings. I am completely speechless. After viewing
> the
> >
> > news in the Palestinian countries and watching them parade as we do only
> > after a Super bowl or World Series, I find myself trying very hard not
> to
> > hate those by race or creed. This will be a very trying time for our
> homes
> >
> > and families. In one swoop we may have lost more Americans then we did
> in
> > Vietnam. I am deeply saddened with this.
> >
> > This must be delt with in a swift manner, Those responsible must be
> > eliminated with extreme prejudice.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Willis, Charles E.
> [SMTP:cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:15 AM
> > To: Team3S
> > Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center
> >
> > In the recent past, the US has not been averse to dropping a Cruise
> > missile
> > or two on problem areas.  I am afraid we can expect two changes - less
> > aversion to direct action by the US, more like the Brits, and sacrifice
> of
> > personal freedoms and civil liberties that we have become accustomed to
> so
> > that agencies responsible for enforcement can protect us more
> effectively.
> >
> > Chuck Willis
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Andrew D. Woll [SMTP:awoll1@pacbell.net]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:22 AM
> > > To: Willis, Charles E.; Team3S
> > > Subject: Re: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center
> > >
> > > It seems to me that we have watchdog agencies such as the CIA that
> have
> > > lists of terrorist. Within these lists, it seems to make sense that we
> > > probably have a select few that are known terrorist with information
> > > rising
> > > to the 95th percentile. It is too bad we also have federal laws
> > > prohibiting
> > > our country from hunting these people down and just shooting them.
> Maybe
> > > it
> > > is time to change the law.
> > >
> > > Andy

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:21:57 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center

> an event like this allows more governmental intrusion at
> the cost of permanent loss of some freedoms.
>
[Willis, Charles E.]  Exactly.  This is the even darker side of the
tragedy.  People tend to take comfort in visible signs of security, like
metal detectors in public schools, when the real hazard is the absence of
intangiables like values.

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:15:23 -0700
From: "BlackLight" <BlackLight@Planetice.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center

This is worse than Pearl Harbor.

Matt Nelson
1994 RT TT
Computer Sales Consultant
Gateway Computers, Salem OR
Work Phone 503-587-7113
BlackLight@Planetice.Net
www.BlackLight.5u.com

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Willis, Charles E.
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 7:49 AM
To: 'tEAM3S@STEALTH-3000GT.ST'
Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center


I just watched one of the towers collapse. I can't watch anymore.  Any
residual sympathy in this country for these people's cause has been
eliminated.  Didn't they watch the movie "Pearl Harbor"?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Berrios, Victor L  CIV [SMTP:VLBerrios@rroads.med.navy.mil]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:22 AM
> To: 'tEAM3S@STEALTH-3000GT.ST'
> Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center
>
> The Pentagon is also on fire. Watch CNN
>
> My heart and prayers are with all of them.
>
> Victor
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Willis, Charles E. [mailto:cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:20 AM
> To: Team3S
> Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center
>
>
> YES, and now let's all focus on getting the rat bastards that did this

> ...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Darren Schilberg [SMTP:dschilberg@pobox.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:04 AM
> > To: Team3S
> > Subject: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center
> >
> > I know this is off topic but our hearts go out to those who may have
> been
> > injured in the recent New York City World Trade Center attack.  A
> > friend of mine emailed me that he works across the street (or close
> > by) and
> watched
> > the second plane hit the building.  Then on the tv I watched as they

> > showed the entire south building collapsing into the streets.  No
> > doubt there
> is
> > massive casualties.
> >
> > Our hearts are with you all.
> >
> > --Darren Schilberg
> > dschilberg@pobox.com

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:16:07 -0600
From: "Floyd, Jim" <Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center

How true.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Willis, Charles E. [mailto:cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:22 PM
To: Team3S
Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center

> an event like this allows more governmental intrusion at
> the cost of permanent loss of some freedoms.
>
[Willis, Charles E.]  Exactly.  This is the even darker side of the
tragedy.  People tend to take comfort in visible signs of security, like
metal detectors in public schools, when the real hazard is the absence of
intangiables like values.

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:21:51 -0400
From: "Jason Barnhart" <phnxgld@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center

Being awakened at the early hour of 10:30am Eastern I'm not sure what more I
could add, most has been said.  Unfortunately not many of us can participate
in the tremendous rescue efforts, but donating blood is something we can all
do.  I think the Canadian government deserves a large thanks for helping us
out and I think that this should be considered an attack on the U.N. as a
whole, not just the U.S.  I wish we could see this kind of unity and
compassion during 'normal' times, but at least we've got it now.

People trying to reach DC and NY city and surrounding areas will probably
find it most difficult as I have when trying to reach my own parents.  Fast
busy signals, call drops, all circuits busy, be patient.

I've also heard that terrorist experts had been gathered beforehand and are
currently stuck in California, but I'm sure communication lines are open.

Jason

P.S.  Altered and Extreme are both near DC as are a lot of 3Si individuals
I'm sure.


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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:30:33 +0200 (MEST)
From: <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Is bypassing relay good idea?

Less live for the pump, noise and probably too much fuel pressure when rpm is below 3000. Also overheating is reported when running on low gas and full power.

Roger
93'3000GT TT

- ----- original Nachricht --------

Several members on 3si board have bypassed the fuel pump relay so that the fuel pump get 12V all the time.  Is this going to cause other problems?

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:43:05 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center

What I am hearing on the TV is that this United jet was shot down by a US
interceptor, after a passenger with a cell phone went into a lavatory and
alerted authorities that a highjacking was in progress.  Contact with the
caller was lost within about 30 seconds of the call.

The location of this plane made no sense to me until I started thinking
about the geographic location of Camp David, Maryland.

Latest stuff says President Bush is leaving Barksdale AFB in my home town to
go to an undisclosed location.

Leaders of Congress have been moved to an undisclosed location.

Secretary Cheney is returning from South America to an undisclosed location.

No baseball games until further notice - makes sense not to gather that many
people in one place.

My wife is doing Jury Duty today.

About one month ago, my daughter was standing on the floor of the World
Trade Center where the first plane hit. 

My son's fiance's sister-in-law works on that floor and was commuting in to
work with her husband when it hit.

Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren Schilberg [SMTP:dschilberg@pobox.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:47 AM
> To: Team3s  Tech List
> Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center
>
> Yes a 747 is down in Somerset county (about an hour SE of Pittsburgh, PA)
> but I have not heard if this is terrorist or just a "fluke" that made it
> crash.  Maybe it was a third plane that was just reported to have been
> hijacked in order to fly into the Pentagon.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
> Of Jeff VanOrsdal
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:46 AM
> To: Team3s Tech List
> Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center
>
>
> Both towers are down. I've heard there was a 747 crashed 80 miles SE of
> Pittsburgh. There are about 25 people in 3SI chat right now relaying news.
>
> Jeff Van.

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:29:47 -0400
From: "Jason Barnhart" <phnxgld@erols.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Attacks (accessing news online)

FYI for those not near TVs or Radios -

Newer versions of IE have the ability to 'tune' into radio stations and I
beleive the bandwidth requirements are minimal...  You can access the radio
toolbar by clicking on View - Toolbars - Radio (placing a check next to
radio).  You can then 'search' for CNN etc, highlight your choice and click
on 'play' in the radio toolbar that should now appear near the address bar.

Jason

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:36:05 -0400
From: "Jeff VanOrsdal" <jeffv@1nce.com>
Subject: Team3S: Disaster news

If anyone is having trouble trying to get information from the usual US
websites (CNN, MSNBC, etc) Try news.bbc.co.uk  They've been stable all
morning and have good coverage. The non-US perspective is interesting as
well.

Jeff V.

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:45:29 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: Attacks (accessing news online)

unless your place of work is too cheap to purchase a sound card for your
computer like mine ...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Barnhart [SMTP:phnxgld@erols.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:30 PM
> To: Team3S
> Subject: Team3S: Re: Attacks (accessing news online)
>
> FYI for those not near TVs or Radios -
>
> Newer versions of IE have the ability to 'tune' into radio stations

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:40:16 -0600
From: "Floyd, Jim" <Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Disaster news

Jeff,

What is their take on this ?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeff VanOrsdal [mailto:jeffv@1nce.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:36 PM
To: Team3s Tech List
Subject: Team3S: Disaster news


If anyone is having trouble trying to get information from the usual US
websites (CNN, MSNBC, etc) Try news.bbc.co.uk  They've been stable all
morning and have good coverage. The non-US perspective is interesting as
well.

Jeff V.

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:59:45 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Disaster news

> If anyone is having trouble trying to get information from
> the usual US websites (CNN, MSNBC, etc) Try news.bbc.co.uk 
> They've been stable all morning and have good coverage. The
> non-US perspective is interesting as well.

My company's site has been online reporting news as we get it and providing
video all morning as well.  Seems all the primary news sites are offline or
under severe load so the amount of news online is pretty limited or
difficult to obtain.

http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/default.asp

I personally hope that the loss of innocent lives is much lower than
expected.  Another terrible day in the history of humanity.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:31:29 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: Team3S: plane hit the Army side of the Pentagon ...

Once upon a time I worked in there.  It's more of a symbolic target than an
effective one - stuff is really directed from other places, and the Pentagon
mostly monitors what is going on and assists.  It's more administrative than
operational.  Lots of people work there, but lots of space and lots of
places to escape to, easy to get lost but hard to get trapped. Bad thing is
the physical infrastructure is ancient.

Protesters busses park there when they want to march on the White House or
Congress, because it's the only place in the DC metro area with a large
enough parking lot.

Chuck

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:43:47 -0400
From: "Dennis and Anita Moore" <stealth@quixnet.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Yahoo! News Story - Palestinians in Lebanon fire with joy at anti-US attacks

Palestinians in Lebanon fire with joy at anti-US attacksWhat this blurb
fails to point out is that the Palestinian authority dispersed the crowds
fairly quickly.  Of course you gotta question the intelligence of people
firing guns and RPGs "into the air".  Gravity still works, you idiots!

Dennis

****************************

Tuesday September 11, 10:10 PM
Palestinians in Lebanon fire with joy at anti-US attacks


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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:57:56 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Yahoo! News Story - Palestinians in Lebanon fire with joy at anti-US attacks

we can only hope that some of the bullets and RPG's landed on the stupid
morons.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis and Anita Moore [SMTP:stealth@quixnet.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:44 PM
> To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Yahoo! News Story - Palestinians in Lebanon fire
> with joy at anti-US attacks
>
> Palestinians in Lebanon fire with joy at anti-US attacksWhat this blurb
> fails to point out is that the Palestinian authority dispersed the crowds
> fairly quickly.  Of course you gotta question the intelligence of people
> firing guns and RPGs "into the air".  Gravity still works, you idiots!
>
> Dennis
>
> ****************************
>
> Tuesday September 11, 10:10 PM
> Palestinians in Lebanon fire with joy at anti-US attacks

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:20:59 EDT
From: DiABLoCarAudio@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center

I hate to be adding to the chaos of the list today, but I have an important
suggestion.
Everyone please go to your local blood bank and donate blood.  With all these
casualties and injured people, there will be massive blood shortages.  I'm
going in tomorrow morning to give blood with 16 other employees.
Thanks,

Paul Butkiewicz
Diablo Enterprises
Norwood, MA  02062-4012
Phone/Fax (781)-551-8498
http://www.DiabloCarAudio.com/
http://www.DiabloEnterprises.com/

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:05:20 -0700
From: "Darc" <wce@telus.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center

FYI air space in Canada is now closed to all but Military air traffic. Two
Korean Airliners were forced down in Whitehorse Yukon Territiories by
F-16's, as they were squaking on a frequency that indicated they'd been
hijacked.  A JAL has been forced down similarly by a fighter,  to land at
Vancouver International Airport in B.C.  No more information on that
incident yet.   More is going on that most people know. The Jewish Community
here immediately pulled all their kids from school.

Darc

Canada

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:21:09 -0600
From: "Thomas Jeys" <tj@jeys.net>
Subject: Team3S: Driving without blood...

Be careful when driving home after giving blood, you may feel kind of light
headed (bad experience on I-70).  And take a gallon of orange juice with
you. :-)

- - T.J.
Citizen of the United States of America

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:01:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: Team3S: Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:46:15 -0700

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_396209.html?menu=news.latestheadlines

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_395774.html?menu=news.worldtradecentre

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:46:20 -0700
From: "Andrew D. Woll" <awoll1@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center

Wow - we are not getting this info where I am Darc. Thanks for the info.

Andy
Sacramento, CA

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:55:36 -0700
From: "nwlink" <vlsgto@nwlink.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center

No watch Foxnews, not the Chicken Noodle Network. Better still, let' s see
what Bill O Reilly has to say.

Julian Huang
94 Mitsubishi Veilside Tein TEC GTO tt
Team 3S
Seattle, Washington
vlsgto@nwlink.com
"Caution: You are about to enter a NO SPIN ZONE!"

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Berrios, Victor L CIV
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:22 AM
To: 'tEAM3S@STEALTH-3000GT.ST'
Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center


The Pentagon is also on fire. Watch CNN

My heart and prayers are with all of them.

Victor

- -----Original Message-----
From: Willis, Charles E. [mailto:cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:20 AM
To: Team3S
Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center


YES, and now let's all focus on getting the rat bastards that did this ...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren Schilberg [SMTP:dschilberg@pobox.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:04 AM
> To: Team3S
> Subject: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center
>
> I know this is off topic but our hearts go out to those who may have been
> injured in the recent New York City World Trade Center attack.  A friend
> of
> mine emailed me that he works across the street (or close by) and watched
> the second plane hit the building.  Then on the tv I watched as they
> showed
> the entire south building collapsing into the streets.  No doubt there is
> massive casualties.
>
> Our hearts are with you all.
>
> --Darren Schilberg
> dschilberg@pobox.com

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:06:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center

Al things being equal..lets not let the list digress into who has the best
news.

On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, nwlink wrote:

> No watch Foxnews, not the Chicken Noodle Network. Better still, let' s see
> what Bill O Reilly has to say.
>
> Julian Huang
> 94 Mitsubishi Veilside Tein TEC GTO tt
> Team 3S
> Seattle, Washington
> vlsgto@nwlink.com
> "Caution: You are about to enter a NO SPIN ZONE!"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
> Of Berrios, Victor L CIV
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:22 AM
> To: 'tEAM3S@STEALTH-3000GT.ST'
> Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center
>
>
> The Pentagon is also on fire. Watch CNN
>
> My heart and prayers are with all of them.
>
> Victor
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Willis, Charles E. [mailto:cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:20 AM
> To: Team3S
> Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center
>
>
> YES, and now let's all focus on getting the rat bastards that did this ...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Darren Schilberg [SMTP:dschilberg@pobox.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:04 AM
> > To: Team3S
> > Subject: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center
> >
> > I know this is off topic but our hearts go out to those who may have been
> > injured in the recent New York City World Trade Center attack.  A friend
> > of
> > mine emailed me that he works across the street (or close by) and watched
> > the second plane hit the building.  Then on the tv I watched as they
> > showed
> > the entire south building collapsing into the streets.  No doubt there is
> > massive casualties.
> >
> > Our hearts are with you all.
> >
> > --Darren Schilberg
> > dschilberg@pobox.com
> >
> >

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:54:21 -0600
From: "Floyd, Jim" <Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center

 
False Alarm

- ---------------------------------
 

 Ananova :  
 
 
 
Explosions heard in Afghan Capital

There have been several explosions in the Afghanistan capital Kabul, with
Sky News reporting that the US is not responsible.

A CNN reporter said there had been six to 10 explosions heard around the
edges of the city, and particularly in the area of the airport.

A US official said the fighting in Kabul appeared to be rocket attacks by
Afghan rebels opposing the ruling Taliban in response to an attack that
seriously injured or killed a rebel general over the weekend.

Earlier, George W Bush was told that law enforcement and intelligence
officials suspect that Osama bin Laden was behind the attacks.

He lives in Afghanistan, although the country's Taliban rulers have denied
any involvement by him.

There has also been anti-aircraft fire and rockets being launched form the
airport.

CNN said aircraft were audible over the city and he could see a large fire
on the outskirts of the city, which could be at a fuel dump.

A reporter said: "It certainly sounds like large missiles coming in and
landing in the city."
 

- -----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Mohler [mailto:gemohler@www.speedtoys.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 5:07 PM
To: nwlink
Cc: Berrios, Victor L CIV; tEAM3S@STEALTH-3000GT.ST
Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center


Al things being equal..lets not let the list digress into who has the best
news.

On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, nwlink wrote:

> No watch Foxnews, not the Chicken Noodle Network. Better still, let' s see
> what Bill O Reilly has to say.
>
> Julian Huang
> 94 Mitsubishi Veilside Tein TEC GTO tt
> Team 3S
> Seattle, Washington
> vlsgto@nwlink.com
> "Caution: You are about to enter a NO SPIN ZONE!"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
> Of Berrios, Victor L CIV
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:22 AM
> To: 'tEAM3S@STEALTH-3000GT.ST'
> Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center
>
>
> The Pentagon is also on fire. Watch CNN
>
> My heart and prayers are with all of them.
>
> Victor
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Willis, Charles E. [mailto:cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:20 AM
> To: Team3S
> Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center
>
>
> YES, and now let's all focus on getting the rat bastards that did this ...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Darren Schilberg [SMTP:dschilberg@pobox.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:04 AM
> > To: Team3S
> > Subject: Team3S: OT: Attack on World Trade Center
> >
> > I know this is off topic but our hearts go out to those who may have
been
> > injured in the recent New York City World Trade Center attack.  A friend
> > of
> > mine emailed me that he works across the street (or close by) and
watched
> > the second plane hit the building.  Then on the tv I watched as they
> > showed
> > the entire south building collapsing into the streets.  No doubt there
is
> > massive casualties.
> >
> > Our hearts are with you all.
> >
> > --Darren Schilberg
> > dschilberg@pobox.com

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