Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Thursday, September 20 2001 Volume 01 : Number 619




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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 11:17:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Brembo 3S Specific brake upgrade

Andie:

The NASA run groups here give you a good full lap (2-4 minutes depending
on whether you still think you should be 'racing' or not) for just this
purpose.

On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Andie W. Lin wrote:

> With regards to rotor warpage:
>
> Warping of the rotors is an phenomenon which is completely independent of
> the type of brake pad compound being used.  Rotors will warp when they are
> allowed to cool unevenly; i.e. one part of the rotor cools faster than
> another part.  This will often occur when you park a car when the brakes are
> very hot, such as when coming off the track.  The part of the rotor which is
> facing the pad is subject to the intense heat radiating from the pad, while
> the rest of the rotor is allowed to cool, as it is exposed to the air.  For
> this reason, I recommend that after every track session, or even when
> driving aggressive on the street, that you take a cool down lap (on the
> street, just drive the car around for a few minutes to cool everything off)
> or drive around the paddock area a couple times.  If you can't put your hand
> on the hub area of the wheel and not burn yourself, it is too hot, and you
> should keep driving.  Also, never use your emergency/parking brake to hold
> the car when you come off the track, as this can cause the rear pads to bond
> to the rear rotors, or at the very least, promote rear rotor warping.
>
> Also, Carbotech Engineering is now offerring out Panther Plus compound for
> Porsche 993 TT calipers; this is the CT594 pad.  Please call if you would
> like to order a set of these pads.  Team3S members receive a 10% discount
> from list.
>
> Regards,
>
> Andie Lin
>
> andie w lin
> vp marketing and product r&d
> carbotech engineering
> http://www.carbotecheng.com
> tel: 877.899.5024 | fax: 954.493.9669
>
> ::-----Original Message-----
> ::Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:14:28 -0500
> ::From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
> ::Subject: RE: Team3S: Brembo 3S Specific brake upgrade
> ::
> ::My son Mike has the Brembo F40 calipers through Stillen.  We had some
> ::initial problems with the installation that were fixed by Stillen.  Since
> ::then, the brakes perform very well.
> ::
> ::Challenges we have encountered:
> ::
> ::1) slight rotor warpage (like 0.002") using the supplied PAGID pads that
> ::generated noticeable squeaking on the street.  This doesn't
> ::happen with  the
> ::Hawk HP+ (I think) pads, but these have noticebly worse performance on the
> ::track.  Next pads we try will be Carbotech Panther Plus.
> ::
> ::2)  problems replacing the rotors - from Stillen they are very expensive.
> ::Porterfield will custom make them, but we haven't tried this yet.  This is
> ::probably the route we we take.

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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 14:09:35 -0400
From: "Andie W. Lin" <andiewlin@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Brembo 3S Specific brake upgrade

A good full lap should be sufficient, but in the final lap, you should drive
around without using the brakes at all, which means that you are NOT racing
anymore, and just putzing around in coast mode.  This is JMHO, based on
experience.  Also, anything you can do to more effectively cool your braking
system helps, such as taking out the stone/dust shields which are behind the
rotors, and installing cooling ducts which discharge air onto the caliper.

Andie

andie w lin
vp marketing and product r&d
carbotech engineering
http://www.carbotecheng.com
tel: 877.899.5024 | fax: 954.493.9669

::-----Original Message-----
::From: Geoff Mohler [mailto:gemohler@www.speedtoys.com]
::Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 2:18 PM
::To: Andie W. Lin
::Cc: team3s-digest@speedracer.speedtoys.com
::Subject: RE: Team3S: Brembo 3S Specific brake upgrade
::
::The NASA run groups here give you a good full lap (2-4 minutes depending
::on whether you still think you should be 'racing' or not) for just this
::purpose.

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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 11:32:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Christian <jczoom_619@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Leaded race fuel

Hi Richard,

Yes, I used some unleaded race fuel at the DSM
Shootout.  Can't say it really made a difference,
although I came in second to Jack T.  and  second to
Wong the following year.

I don't normally use any race fuel (unleaded or
leaded) cause of the cost $$$$$.  I usually add octane
booster at road course events.

Be of good cheer,
John

- --- Richard <radanc@home.com> wrote:
> How many out there use leaded race fuel without
> cats. Any other
> considerations or worries re: use of this? I have
> generally stuck with
> 103 unleaded, but was considering going to the C-12
> 4.4g lead per gallon
> from VP mixed with pump. As an aside, anyone
> interested in F-1 tickets
> e-mail me privately as I don't think I am going to
> go this year.
>
> Rich
> 92 Stealth TT
Please respond to jczoom@iname.com
'93 TT with Porsche brakes and Supra TT rotors
12.4@109MPH  5/97 almost stock
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/flats/4538

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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 15:51:44 -0400
From: Curtis McConnel <CMcConnel@Pulte.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Leaded race fuel

I thought it wasn't good to run octane boost.

- -----Original Message-----
From: John Christian [mailto:jczoom_619@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:33 PM
To: Richard
Cc: Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: Leaded race fuel

Hi Richard,

Yes, I used some unleaded race fuel at the DSM
Shootout.  Can't say it really made a difference,
although I came in second to Jack T.  and  second to
Wong the following year.

I don't normally use any race fuel (unleaded or
leaded) cause of the cost $$$$$.  I usually add octane
booster at road course events.

Be of good cheer,
John

- --- Richard <radanc@home.com> wrote:
> How many out there use leaded race fuel without
> cats. Any other
> considerations or worries re: use of this? I have
> generally stuck with
> 103 unleaded, but was considering going to the C-12
> 4.4g lead per gallon
> from VP mixed with pump. As an aside, anyone
> interested in F-1 tickets
> e-mail me privately as I don't think I am going to
> go this year.
>
> Rich
> 92 Stealth TT

Please respond to jczoom@iname.com
'93 TT with Porsche brakes and Supra TT rotors
12.4@109MPH  5/97 almost stock
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/flats/4538

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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 16:43:27 -0400
From: "Zobel, Kurt" <KURT.ZOBEL@ca.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: eRAM or Super-eRAM Experience

I've had excellent experience with my power-ram trials on my NT.
.2 to .3 sec in the qtr, and 2-3 seconds at road courses.

Check the link for a low price alternative, $20, for DIY applications. Just need a little intake ducting from pep boys or home depot and you're set.  This would virtually eliminate turbo lag IMO. It definitely would not cause restriction at 700cfm, but would not help much there.

Two work really well for NT ram application, in front of the airbox, plumbed in from right wheelwell.

http://www.overton.com/cgi-bin/overtons/setcat.cgi?2

This would also work well for brake cooling!  I would/may use the 3" vs 4" for brakes, and even one split off to two brake ducts would do the trick. be sure to mount away from the rotor and use heat resistant ducting for brake applications. 

Kurt / Skyrider

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jim Berry [mailto:fastmax@home.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 10:58 AM
To: Darc; Team3S
Subject: Re: Team3S: eRAM or Super-eRAM Experience

I've considered using it to cool my rotors --- I talked to the manufacturer
about buying a device with a lower airflow and a higher duty cycle. They
said no problem, they could provide a modified version which could be
run for a minute at a time if necessary. A little pricey for brake cooling
but they do put out a good volume of air ---- we'll see, maybe to go with
my carbon/carbon brake setup.

        Jim Berry
====================================================
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Darc <wce@telus.net>
To: Team3S <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: eRAM or Super-eRAM Experience

> Hrmmm...certainly this musing not meant to replace the psi of turbos, but I
> was thinking out loud about providing more air flow via the airbox snorkel
> tunnel to the a MAS.  Given all feedback, not a worthwhile venture IMHO.
>
> Darc

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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 17:12:29 -0400
From: Curtis McConnel <CMcConnel@Pulte.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Leaded race fuel

Let me know if I'm wrong but I thought someone mentioned not to use octane
boost. I was thinking of using it until I saw it can cause problems.

Curtis

- -----Original Message-----
From: Curtis McConnel
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 1:52 PM
To: 'JCZooM@iname.com'; Richard
Cc: Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: RE: Team3S: Leaded race fuel

I thought it wasn't good to run octane boost.

- -----Original Message-----
From: John Christian [mailto:jczoom_619@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:33 PM
To: Richard
Cc: Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: Leaded race fuel

Hi Richard,

Yes, I used some unleaded race fuel at the DSM
Shootout.  Can't say it really made a difference,
although I came in second to Jack T.  and  second to
Wong the following year.


I don't normally use any race fuel (unleaded or
leaded) cause of the cost $$$$$.  I usually add octane
booster at road course events.

Be of good cheer,
John

- --- Richard <radanc@home.com> wrote:
> How many out there use leaded race fuel without
> cats. Any other
> considerations or worries re: use of this? I have
> generally stuck with
> 103 unleaded, but was considering going to the C-12
> 4.4g lead per gallon
> from VP mixed with pump. As an aside, anyone
> interested in F-1 tickets
> e-mail me privately as I don't think I am going to
> go this year.
>
> Rich
> 92 Stealth TT
Please respond to jczoom@iname.com
'93 TT with Porsche brakes and Supra TT rotors
12.4@109MPH  5/97 almost stock
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/flats/4538

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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 16:27:54 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Leaded race fuel

> Let me know if I'm wrong but I thought someone mentioned not
> to use octane boost. I was thinking of using it until I saw
> it can cause problems.

Its okay to use, but be aware that when the bottle says "increases octane by
5 points!" that it is from 92.0 to 92.5 and not 92 to 97 octane, so you
don't want to be dumping it in and running tons more boost thinking that it
is safe.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 17:27:20 -0400
From: Curtis McConnel <CMcConnel@Pulte.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Leaded race fuel

What are the better brands to run? I would much rather run this stuff than
$4.00 a gallon 102 octane. When it says adds 5 points, is that one bottle to
a full tank of gas and now your tank is 5 points higher? (91 + 5 = 96)In
this case should I run 2 bottles to reach 101?

Curtis 

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jannusch, Matt [mailto:mjannusch@marketwatch.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 3:28 PM
To: Curtis McConnel; Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: RE: Team3S: Leaded race fuel

> Let me know if I'm wrong but I thought someone mentioned not
> to use octane boost. I was thinking of using it until I saw
> it can cause problems.

Its okay to use, but be aware that when the bottle says "increases octane by
5 points!" that it is from 92.0 to 92.5 and not 92 to 97 octane, so you
don't want to be dumping it in and running tons more boost thinking that it
is safe.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 16:35:59 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Leaded race fuel

Re-read my original message...  The answer was in there.  5 points = .5
octane, not 5.0 octane improvement.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Curtis McConnel [mailto:CMcConnel@Pulte.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 4:27 PM
> To: 'Jannusch, Matt'; Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Leaded race fuel
>
> What are the better brands to run? I would much rather run
> this stuff than $4.00 a gallon 102 octane. When it says adds
> 5 points, is that one bottle to a full tank of gas and now
> your tank is 5 points higher? (91 + 5 = 96)In this case
> should I run 2 bottles to reach 101?
>
> Curtis 
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jannusch, Matt [mailto:mjannusch@marketwatch.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 3:28 PM
> To: Curtis McConnel; Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Leaded race fuel
>
> Its okay to use, but be aware that when the bottle says
> "increases octane by 5 points!" that it is from 92.0 to 92.5
> and not 92 to 97 octane, so you don't want to be dumping it
> in and running tons more boost thinking that it is safe.

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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 15:25:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Leaded race fuel

Guys..IF you are on a racetrack, AND it really matters to you, just mix
race gas & pump gas.  its worth just -knowing- youre OK.

On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Curtis McConnel wrote:

> What are the better brands to run? I would much rather run this stuff than
> $4.00 a gallon 102 octane. When it says adds 5 points, is that one bottle to
> a full tank of gas and now your tank is 5 points higher? (91 + 5 = 96)In
> this case should I run 2 bottles to reach 101?
>
> Curtis 
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jannusch, Matt [mailto:mjannusch@marketwatch.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 3:28 PM
> To: Curtis McConnel; Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Leaded race fuel
>
> > Let me know if I'm wrong but I thought someone mentioned not
> > to use octane boost. I was thinking of using it until I saw
> > it can cause problems.
>
> Its okay to use, but be aware that when the bottle says "increases octane by
> 5 points!" that it is from 92.0 to 92.5 and not 92 to 97 octane, so you
> don't want to be dumping it in and running tons more boost thinking that it
> is safe.
>
> -Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4
* Porterfield Brake Wholesaler..just ask! *


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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 18:28:00 -0000
From: "Sam Shelat" <sshelat@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Only drained 2 qts engine oil during change!

>Sam:  is this something we could do ourselves by just drilling two small
>holes in our own dipsticks?  Andy
>
>
I guess that would work as long as the holes were small enought that the
dipstick doesn't break in half.

Sam

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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 18:32:12 -0000
From: "Sam Shelat" <sshelat@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Boost levels

They don't.  Most Supra guys I know use the available "kits" and are told
what they need and just do it that way.  They dyno tune to get the best hp
curve (above 4000rpm LOL), and they make sure they use race gas for anything
above 20-22psi.  Fuel seems to be the key in their motors, and they boost
really really high before you blow them up.

Sam
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date: Thursday, September 20, 2001 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Boost levels

>As far as I have heard, the Supra owners have no way to
>measure/detect knock (other than the standard aftermarket setups). So
>how could they know if they have knock or not? Of course, the same
>question can be asked of 1994 and later 3S owners.
>
>Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
>To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 9:04 PM
>Subject: Team3S: RE: Boost levels
>
><snip>
>The Supra engine starts off with being less detonation-prone than our
>motor.
><snip>

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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 18:46:26 -0000
From: "Sam Shelat" <sshelat@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Leaded race fuel

I run leaded (two gallons to 2 gallons of 94 Sunoco) every time I drag race
the car.  It has nice white smoke coming off the tail pipes like the old
days with my dads 69 Charger R/T.

Sam
- -----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
To: Curtis McConnel <CMcConnel@Pulte.com>
Cc: 'Jannusch, Matt' <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>; Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
<Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date: Thursday, September 20, 2001 10:09 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Leaded race fuel

>Guys..IF you are on a racetrack, AND it really matters to you, just mix
>race gas & pump gas.  its worth just -knowing- youre OK.
>
>On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Curtis McConnel wrote:
>
>> What are the better brands to run? I would much rather run this stuff
than
>> $4.00 a gallon 102 octane. When it says adds 5 points, is that one bottle
to
>> a full tank of gas and now your tank is 5 points higher? (91 + 5 = 96)In
>> this case should I run 2 bottles to reach 101?
>>
>> Curtis
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jannusch, Matt [mailto:mjannusch@marketwatch.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 3:28 PM
>> To: Curtis McConnel; Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
>> Subject: RE: Team3S: Leaded race fuel
>>
>>
>> > Let me know if I'm wrong but I thought someone mentioned not
>> > to use octane boost. I was thinking of using it until I saw
>> > it can cause problems.
>>
>> Its okay to use, but be aware that when the bottle says "increases octane
by
>> 5 points!" that it is from 92.0 to 92.5 and not 92 to 97 octane, so you
>> don't want to be dumping it in and running tons more boost thinking that
it
>> is safe.
>>
>> -Matt
>> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 18:58:14 -0400
From: "Zobel, Kurt" <KURT.ZOBEL@ca.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Leaded race fuel

I see Octane Boost.  All the time!

I have probably averaged 1 bottle per month for the last three years, have not seen any harm.
qtr mile, road courses, just use it to be safe with the cheap gas being sold in California these days. I'm just a non-turbo, but 91 high octane? C'mon folks get real.

And to think I used to work for Chevron!  they're still the best, but barely adequate these days.

Kurrt / Skyrider

- -----Original Message-----
From: Curtis McConnel [mailto:CMcConnel@Pulte.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:52 PM
To: 'JCZooM@iname.com'; Richard
Cc: Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: RE: Team3S: Leaded race fuel

I thought it wasn't good to run octane boost.

- -----Original Message-----
From: John Christian [mailto:jczoom_619@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:33 PM
To: Richard
Cc: Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: Leaded race fuel

Hi Richard,

Yes, I used some unleaded race fuel at the DSM
Shootout.  Can't say it really made a difference,
although I came in second to Jack T.  and  second to
Wong the following year.


I don't normally use any race fuel (unleaded or
leaded) cause of the cost $$$$$.  I usually add octane
booster at road course events.

Be of good cheer,
John

- --- Richard <radanc@home.com> wrote:
> How many out there use leaded race fuel without
> cats. Any other
> considerations or worries re: use of this? I have
> generally stuck with
> 103 unleaded, but was considering going to the C-12
> 4.4g lead per gallon
> from VP mixed with pump. As an aside, anyone
> interested in F-1 tickets
> e-mail me privately as I don't think I am going to
> go this year.
>
> Rich
> 92 Stealth TT

Please respond to jczoom@iname.com
'93 TT with Porsche brakes and Supra TT rotors
12.4@109MPH  5/97 almost stock
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/flats/4538

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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 17:04:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Leaded race fuel

You do know..that O2 sensors never "clean" themselves from the lead
deposits..and this does harm performance as thier sensativity drops.

On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Sam Shelat wrote:

> I run leaded (two gallons to 2 gallons of 94 Sunoco) every time I drag race
> the car.  It has nice white smoke coming off the tail pipes like the old
> days with my dads 69 Charger R/T.
>
>
> Sam
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
> To: Curtis McConnel <CMcConnel@Pulte.com>
> Cc: 'Jannusch, Matt' <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>; Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> <Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
> Date: Thursday, September 20, 2001 10:09 PM
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Leaded race fuel
>
> >Guys..IF you are on a racetrack, AND it really matters to you, just mix
> >race gas & pump gas.  its worth just -knowing- youre OK.
> >
> >On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Curtis McConnel wrote:
> >
> >> What are the better brands to run? I would much rather run this stuff
> than
> >> $4.00 a gallon 102 octane. When it says adds 5 points, is that one bottle
> to
> >> a full tank of gas and now your tank is 5 points higher? (91 + 5 = 96)In
> >> this case should I run 2 bottles to reach 101?
> >>
> >> Curtis
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Jannusch, Matt [mailto:mjannusch@marketwatch.com]
> >> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 3:28 PM
> >> To: Curtis McConnel; Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> >> Subject: RE: Team3S: Leaded race fuel
> >>
> >>
> >> > Let me know if I'm wrong but I thought someone mentioned not
> >> > to use octane boost. I was thinking of using it until I saw
> >> > it can cause problems.
> >>
> >> Its okay to use, but be aware that when the bottle says "increases octane
> by
> >> 5 points!" that it is from 92.0 to 92.5 and not 92 to 97 octane, so you
> >> don't want to be dumping it in and running tons more boost thinking that
> it
> >> is safe.
> >>
> >> -Matt
> >> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 19:55:53 EDT
From: DiABLoCarAudio@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Rotor Warpage?

Hi everyone.  I have a one and a half hour drive to work every day and to
make the drive a little shorter, I drive about 110+mph for the last half an
hour (deserted highways).  Every once in a while i need to use the brakes to
slow down instead of the engine.  Sometimes after heavy braking, my steering
wheel shakes as if my rotors were warped. 
The srtange thing is, after my rotors cool down, they're fine.  Are my rotors
expanding due to the high heat?  Why?  I have PF Cryo Rotors.  I was under
the impression this would help with expansion and breaking.
Thanks,

Paul Butkiewicz
Diablo Enterprises
Norwood, MA  02062-4012
Phone/Fax (781) 769-4180
http://www.DiabloCarAudio.com/
http://www.DiabloEnterprises.com/

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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 19:38:26 -0400
From: "Zobel, Kurt" <KURT.ZOBEL@ca.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Gas mileage vs Mods

I have a 96 NT.  I usually get 23-25 mpg when just driving normally.
ie, to work < 80mph on somewhat windy road, little to no freeway driving, around town and not burning rubber. Maybe a squeak now and then.

I have a home built ram-air kit, 3in cat and 3in muffler and pipes.  After adding the exhaust system, my normal mileage dropped 1-2 mpg. Not much, but consistently lower.

However, I occaisionally would quiet down my exhaust by adding back pressurre plates, ie, tin or aluminum can sections punched with holes and pinned into the tail pipe.  This was only really for freeway driving, where it seems I get stuck at just the wrong rpm much of the time, and get exhaust resonance under load. Luckily I do not do much extended driving.

Anyhewww.. I decided to take a trip from Riverside to Lake Havasu, and was taking two passengers, so decided to really baffle the thing up to avoid complaints.  Wow, I could hardly get any power, or so it seemed, but my fuel mileage went over 30 mpg!  And that was driving Interstate and two lane highways at mostly 80 mph plus. Three people and any spare room stuffed with whatever.

So 'Yes Virginia', mods do affect mileage. Now with the turbo, you already have a fair ammount of backpressure, so it might not apply as well, but having sufficient backpressure does affect mileage. Not that I care, anything over 20 is gravy to me, I'd rather have the power.  

Kurt

- -----Original Message-----
From: cody [mailto:overclck@starband.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 10:15 AM
To: 'Team3S'
Subject: RE: Team3S: Poor Gas mileage and getting worse

I have disputed the following statement before, and would like a few
more opinions on it.  Gas mileage should not be affected by most
performance items such as high flow cats, downpipes, free-flow exhaust,
air filters, etc. etc.  This is my theory at least, because no matter
what mods you do, the amount of air, and thus fuel at whatever RPM is
limited more by your own foot (which is connected to the throttle body),
rather than what mods you have.  Sure, if one mod causes you to run rich
/ lean, I can see the MPG difference, or if you change your driving
style because you now have more power at the same throttle position now,
but overall, shouldn't most mods keep approximately the same MPG???

>>The mods you've made allow max airflow,
>>more airflow = more fuel needed at same rpm = lower mpg. 

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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 17:16:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rotor Warpage?

How long have you had them?

On Thu, 20 Sep 2001 DiABLoCarAudio@aol.com wrote:

> Hi everyone.  I have a one and a half hour drive to work every day and to
> make the drive a little shorter, I drive about 110+mph for the last half an
> hour (deserted highways).  Every once in a while i need to use the brakes to
> slow down instead of the engine.  Sometimes after heavy braking, my steering
> wheel shakes as if my rotors were warped. 
> The srtange thing is, after my rotors cool down, they're fine.  Are my rotors
> expanding due to the high heat?  Why?  I have PF Cryo Rotors.  I was under
> the impression this would help with expansion and breaking.
> Thanks,
>
> Paul Butkiewicz
> Diablo Enterprises
> Norwood, MA  02062-4012
> Phone/Fax (781) 769-4180
> http://www.DiabloCarAudio.com/
> http://www.DiabloEnterprises.com/
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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 20:05:16 EDT
From: DiABLoCarAudio@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rotor Warpage?

> How long have you had them?

Hmm... I'd say about a year to a year and a half.  They've never been turned
since I've never had permanant warpage.  Is this expected for rotors this old
that have never been turned?  I guess it's just time for some good 5 spoke
rims, dust shield removal, and ducting to cool my brakes....

Paul Butkiewicz
Diablo Enterprises
Norwood, MA  02062-4012
Phone/Fax (781) 769-4180
http://www.DiabloCarAudio.com/
http://www.DiabloEnterprises.com/

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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 17:26:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rotor Warpage?

Probly wont hurt.  Cryo helps resist warping, but doesnt prevent it.

they are returning to normal.  Might be a good idea to get em shaved and
trued, thats solved everyone elses problem for the most part.

On Thu, 20 Sep 2001 DiABLoCarAudio@aol.com wrote:

> > How long have you had them?
>
> Hmm... I'd say about a year to a year and a half.  They've never been turned
> since I've never had permanant warpage.  Is this expected for rotors this old
> that have never been turned?  I guess it's just time for some good 5 spoke
> rims, dust shield removal, and ducting to cool my brakes....
>
> Paul Butkiewicz
> Diablo Enterprises
> Norwood, MA  02062-4012
> Phone/Fax (781) 769-4180
> http://www.DiabloCarAudio.com/
> http://www.DiabloEnterprises.com/
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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 19:17:55 -0500
From: "cody" <overclck@starband.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Gas mileage vs Mods

Yes, but are you sure that the back pressure is not affecting the way
you drive - i.e. you have to rev higher to get the standard acceleration
from your car??? 

- -Cody

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Zobel, Kurt
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 6:38 PM
To: cody; 'Team3S'
Subject: RE: Team3S: Gas mileage vs Mods

I have a 96 NT.  I usually get 23-25 mpg when just driving normally.
ie, to work < 80mph on somewhat windy road, little to no freeway
driving, around town and not burning rubber. Maybe a squeak now and
then.

I have a home built ram-air kit, 3in cat and 3in muffler and pipes.
After adding the exhaust system, my normal mileage dropped 1-2 mpg. Not
much, but consistently lower.

However, I occaisionally would quiet down my exhaust by adding back
pressurre plates, ie, tin or aluminum can sections punched with holes
and pinned into the tail pipe.  This was only really for freeway
driving, where it seems I get stuck at just the wrong rpm much of the
time, and get exhaust resonance under load. Luckily I do not do much
extended driving.

Anyhewww.. I decided to take a trip from Riverside to Lake Havasu, and
was taking two passengers, so decided to really baffle the thing up to
avoid complaints.  Wow, I could hardly get any power, or so it seemed,
but my fuel mileage went over 30 mpg!  And that was driving Interstate
and two lane highways at mostly 80 mph plus. Three people and any spare
room stuffed with whatever.

So 'Yes Virginia', mods do affect mileage. Now with the turbo, you
already have a fair ammount of backpressure, so it might not apply as
well, but having sufficient backpressure does affect mileage. Not that I
care, anything over 20 is gravy to me, I'd rather have the power.  

Kurt

- -----Original Message-----
From: cody [mailto:overclck@starband.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 10:15 AM
To: 'Team3S'
Subject: RE: Team3S: Poor Gas mileage and getting worse

I have disputed the following statement before, and would like a few
more opinions on it.  Gas mileage should not be affected by most
performance items such as high flow cats, downpipes, free-flow exhaust,
air filters, etc. etc.  This is my theory at least, because no matter
what mods you do, the amount of air, and thus fuel at whatever RPM is
limited more by your own foot (which is connected to the throttle body),
rather than what mods you have.  Sure, if one mod causes you to run rich
/ lean, I can see the MPG difference, or if you change your driving
style because you now have more power at the same throttle position now,
but overall, shouldn't most mods keep approximately the same MPG???

>>The mods you've made allow max airflow,
>>more airflow = more fuel needed at same rpm = lower mpg. 

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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 17:28:06 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: backing plate --- AWD

All right boys and girls, any tricks to removing the E-brake backing plate on
the rear of an AWD car. I've removed the rotor, axle shaft, misc brake parts,
two bolts on the backing plate and dust shield and the nut that holds the brake
shoe pivot but the plate doesn't want to move. The book says nothing but I
can't see anything else holding it in place.

        Jim Berry

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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 18:22:36 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: backing plate --- AWD

Disreguard previous message --- I got the plate off, I had to disconnect the
brake line and use a little brute force.

        Jim berry
======================================================
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Berry <fastmax@home.com>

> All right boys and girls, any tricks to removing the E-brake backing plate on
> the rear of an AWD car. I've removed the rotor, axle shaft, misc brake parts,
> two bolts on the backing plate and dust shield and the nut that holds the brake
> shoe pivot but the plate doesn't want to move. The book says nothing but I
> can't see anything else holding it in place.

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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 19:35:47 -0700
From: Richard <radanc@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Leaded race fuel

also the boosters use a variety of methods to increase octane, many
using alcohol. In the end race gas is better and more cost-effective
since a small bottle of 108 costs at least $6-9 for ounces of booster.
No matter what way you cut it end octane = octane rating using whatever
method you choose with volume and octane rating of booster or race gas
with volume added. 1 gallon of 103 race gas is around $5. You can't get
that with boosters and you aren't getting a lean mixture with methyl or
whatever alcohol or organic they choose to use in the boosters.

Rich
92 Stealth TT

Curtis McConnel wrote:
>
> What are the better brands to run? I would much rather run this stuff than
> $4.00 a gallon 102 octane. When it says adds 5 points, is that one bottle to
> a full tank of gas and now your tank is 5 points higher? (91 + 5 = 96)In
> this case should I run 2 bottles to reach 101?
>
> Curtis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jannusch, Matt [mailto:mjannusch@marketwatch.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 3:28 PM
> To: Curtis McConnel; Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Leaded race fuel
>
> > Let me know if I'm wrong but I thought someone mentioned not
> > to use octane boost. I was thinking of using it until I saw
> > it can cause problems.
>
> Its okay to use, but be aware that when the bottle says "increases octane by
> 5 points!" that it is from 92.0 to 92.5 and not 92 to 97 octane, so you
> don't want to be dumping it in and running tons more boost thinking that it
> is safe.
>
> -Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 02:41:07 +0000
From: "Magnus3315 ." <black_synn666@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Hatchback Floor/Board

<html><div style='background-color:'><DIV>I have a old 91 3000gt vr-4. I was wondering if anyone else had to replace the floor/mat piece for the hatchbackk, Like the wood piece. Anyone make one or have any suggestions how to make one? Also does the left side under it have a plastic bin like the right? I don't know, mine doesn't, so I was checking.</DIV>
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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 19:58:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Hatchback Floor/Board

You can make one with...wood.

On Fri, 21 Sep 2001, Magnus3315 . wrote:

> I have a old 91 3000gt vr-4. I was wondering if anyone else had to
> replace the floor/mat piece for the hatchbackk, Like the wood piece.
> Anyone make one or have any suggestions how to make one? Also does the
> left side under it have a plastic bin like the right? I don't know, mine
> doesn't, so I was checking.

> Thnx, Amar.
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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 20:28:42 -0500
From: "Mark Wendlandt" <stealth_tt@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: EGT temps revisited

What are people getting for EGT temps while cruising at say...70mph and
5th(5spd) with your fuel controllers set to stoich.

The reason that I'm asking is that I'm seeing high EGTs at WOT and I'm
wondering if there is some kind of offset in my setup that would cause them
to read high.

When I'm cruising, as above, I'm getting EGTs around 1430F(stoich) and it
will drop to ~1270 at an O2 of .94 then starts to stumble(because too rich.)

Drag racing, I will see peak temps of between 1800 and 1850 while still
getting O2 readings of .94-.96v. If I go one click rich on the high setting
of my arc2, I can get the temps to drop to ~1775F and O2 readings are
.96-.98 on my logger.

- -I'm running 18psi with 110 leaded.
- -Stock Engine
- -Stock Exhaust less cats
- -15Gs, 550RCs, ARC2, TMO
- -Autometer EGT probes in the front and back with fluke temp module plugged
into a fluke 87 DMM
- -Probes located just before flange to turbo in manifolds.
- -Stock plugs gapped at .034

Car is running good with little or no knock. I will get knock(up to 14count)
if I increase boost from this point without adding more fuel
though...surprising with 110 race gas, I think.

I just think that my cruising(at stoich) readings are high because of some
kind of offset that I'm seeing...resulting in high EGTs on the high end as
well.

Is it safe to say that if I'm not running lean and have no knock that EGTs
are safe regardless of my readings?

Thanks,

Mark Wendlandt
'91RT/TT (12.38@118mph, Sept 01 RockFalls, WI)

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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 19:34:17 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: 3S-Racers: backing plate --- AWD

Sorry, but I can't undo a tin snip mod, besides the backing plate is steel.
I'm looking at putting the stock front 4 piston rotors/calipers on the rear
and if it doesn't work I gotta put it back together. With the exception of
the E-brake it doesn't look to bad.

If it works I could have four wheel carbon/carbon setup for a mere
$3400 ---- yeah right, like that's gonna happen.

        Jim berry
========================================
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
To: <3sracers@speedtoys.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: 3S-Racers: backing plate --- AWD

> The universal tool.
>
> Tin snips.
>
> On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Jim Berry wrote:
>
> > All right boys and girls, any tricks to removing the E-brake backing plate on
> > the rear of an AWD car. I've removed the rotor, axle shaft, misc brake parts,
> > two bolts on the backing plate and dust shield and the nut that holds the brake
> > shoe pivot but the plate doesn't want to move. The book says nothing but I
> > can't see anything else holding it in place.
> >
> >         Jim Berry

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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 23:06:30 -0400
From: MIHAI RAICU <aa2345@WAYNE.EDU>
Subject: Team3S: RE: Poor Gas mileage and getting worse

The best gas mileage I have personally seen is 27.2 mpg on my
brothers 94 TT.  This was on a long highway trip (California -
- -> Michigan) without Air Conditioning, 6th gear, and 80 mph
cruise control straight for a full gas tank, on level
ground.  25 mpg was obtained with the exact same conditions
except he used A/C.  Keep in mind, that he never went into
the boost zone for 2 gas tanks.  He also never switched
gears.  Talk about a boring test, however he did it.  When he
was driving his usual, he got 16 mpg, for the remainer of the
trip.

On long highway trips I usually get 20 mpg on my 95 VR4. 
This is with A/C, and going 90-110, with occasional higher
bursts and/or playing with a few Vettes/etc.

Combination city/highway I get 16 mpg.

Keep in mind that the TT and VR4 have a few mods (AVC-R boost
14.7 psi, K&N), however, these di not affect my brother's
test.

On the 93 Stealth (base, 5 speed) I get 19 mpg combination
city/highway.  Darn, that's a lot of gas for an N/A 3S.  I
never did a pure highway trip on this car to see the true
highway mpg.

- -MIHAI-
95 Red VR4
93 Red Base Stealth (5 speed)
94 Pearl Yellow TT (my brother John's)

Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 11:51:40 -0400
From: Ken Stanton <tt007ken@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Poor Gas mileage and getting worse

29-32mpg highway, sorry to say, sounds impossible.  Even with
my boost turned
down to 6psi and in 6th gear, I can't pull any more than 24-
25mpg on the
highway. 

Ken Stanton
'91 Pearl White R/T TT

Greg Gonzales wrote:

> Over the past 8 months my gas mileage has gone done from
about 18 mpg to
> just under 16. I am not driving the car any harder than
usual or taking a
> different route. My highway mileage has gone way down too
from about 29-32
> to about 25mpg.

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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 23:31:16 -0400
From: "Dennis and Anita Moore" <stealth@quixnet.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 1991 3000 GT VR-4

Since I used to live in Hawaii, I'm partial to
http://www.hawaiianseatcovers.com  For some reason, they list options for
Stealths, but not 3000GT.  Dunno why...

For headlights, Hella used to make a reflector housing for H1 bulbs, that
fits our pop-up headlight assembly.  Makes a world of difference.  I don't
think they still make it, though, cuz' I can't find them anywhere on the
net.

(If anyone has a source, please let me know.  One of my lenses caught a rock
and has a hole in it.  Wonder of wonders, the bulb still burns bright, and
the broken glass hasn't ruined the light pattern too much.)

12-volt thingy, no idea.

Please, forget "cheap": you have price options for wheels, but cheap wheels
will give cheap performance.  Same is true for a lot of mods you can do on
these cars.  (There are exceptions, and some of our experts will gladly
point them out.)

Hope this helps.

Dennis Moore
93 Stealth ES

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Magnus3315 .
To: Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 5:23 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: 1991 3000 GT VR-4

These are just some questions I had about my 3000 GT VR-4.
1) What are some good seat covers?
2) How do you replace the head lights with better ones? Like piaa ones,
remember it's 1991, sooo.. the 9006 Piaa ones don't fit.

3) How do you fix the little 12 volt plug in thing there?
4) what are some good wheels that are cheap?

5) Any advice, this is my first car. All experience welcome.

Thanks, Amar.

>From: Curtis McConnel
>To: "'JCZooM@iname.com'" , Richard
>CC: Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
>Subject: RE: Team3S: Leaded race fuel
>Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 15:51:44 -0400
>
>I thought it wasn't good to run octane boost.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Christian [mailto:jczoom_619@yahoo.com]
>Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:33 PM
>To: Richard
>Cc: Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
>Subject: Re: Team3S: Leaded race fuel
>
>Hi Richard,
>
>Yes, I used some unleaded race fuel at the DSM
>Shootout. Can't say it really made a difference,
>although I came in second to Jack T. and second to
>Wong the following year.
>
>I don't normally use any race fuel (unleaded or
>leaded) cause of the cost $$$$$. I usually add octane
>booster at road course events.
>
>Be of good cheer,
>John
>
>--- Richard wrote:
> > How many out there use leaded race fuel without
> > cats. Any other
> > considerations or worries re: use of this? I have
> > generally stuck with
> > 103 unleaded, but was considering going to the C-12
> > 4.4g lead per gallon
> > from VP mixed with pump. As an aside, anyone
> > interested in F-1 tickets
> > e-mail me privately as I don't think I am going to
> > go this year.
> >
> > Rich
> > 92 Stealth TT
>Please respond to jczoom@iname.com
>'93 TT with Porsche brakes and Supra TT rotors
>12.4@109MPH 5/97 almost stock
>http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/flats/4538

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