Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Monday, March 3
2003 Volume 02 : Number
094
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Date:
Sun, 2 Mar 2003 10:57:55 -0600
From: "Lim, Yong H SPC" <
yong.lim@sill.army.mil>
Subject:
Team3S: Need new wheels
Well, I need a whole new sets of wheels so can
anybody tell me what are some
good wheels out there for our cars. I
have 1gen 93 vr4 and I'm looking into
buy 17'' tires, I know that our cars
17'' * 8.5'' but I can't really seem to
find any wheels that size in
17''(except the two milo something in
tirerack.com).
I looked into
ADR Kasai's 17'' * 8'' wheels and Enkei's RP2 17" * 9" wheels,
they are about
the same price and I am not sure if I get 0.5'' smaller or
bigger
wheels. Also, can anybody recommend me some good all-season tires
that
are relatively cheap(under 150 preferably).
Thank
you.
P.S. Btw, how long can I rely on a spare tire.....i hope
it can last at
least a couple of weeks if not a month.... also, if you
want to know why i
need whole new set of wheels, i busted my front right
wheel hitting the
curve...
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Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 14:02:56
-0500
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <
gphilip@umich.edu>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Need new wheels
A 9"-wide rim is a much better choice than a
8"-wide rim. You need to
select rims with an offset of 35-40 mm, with the 35
mm being the safer
side. I am not sure if you have snow where you live, but
if I had to select
one set of tires to drive all year round here in
Michigan, I would pick BF
Goodrich g-Force T/A KDWS. They sell for $142 from
TireRack.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BFGoodrich&tireModel=g-Force+T%2FA+KDWS&vehicleSearch=false&partnum=545WR7GFTAKDWSPhilip
At
11:57 AM 3/2/2003, Lim, Yong H SPC wrote:
>Well, I need a whole new
sets of wheels so can anybody tell me what are some
>good wheels out there
for our cars. I have 1gen 93 vr4 and I'm looking into
>buy 17''
tires, I know that our cars 17'' * 8.5'' but I can't really seem to
>find
any wheels that size in 17''(except the two milo something
in
>tirerack.com).
>I looked into ADR Kasai's 17'' * 8'' wheels and
Enkei's RP2 17" * 9" wheels,
>they are about the same price and I am not
sure if I get 0.5'' smaller or
>bigger wheels. Also, can anybody
recommend me some good all-season tires
>that are relatively cheap(under
150 preferably).
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Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 11:36:08
-0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <
bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Need new wheels
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Lim,
Yong H SPC" <
yong.lim@sill.army.mil>
>
Well, I need a whole new sets of wheels so can anybody tell me what are
some
good wheels out there for our cars. I have 1gen 93 vr4 and I'm
looking into
buy 17'' tires, I know that our cars 17'' * 8.5'' but I can't
really seem to
find any wheels that size in 17''(except the two milo
something in
tirerack.com). I looked into ADR Kasai's 17'' * 8''
wheels and Enkei's RP2
17" * 9" wheels, they are about the same price and I
am not sure if I get
0.5'' smaller or bigger wheels. Also, can anybody
recommend me some good
all-season tires that are relatively cheap(under 150
preferably).
> Thank you.
> P.S. Btw, how long can I rely on a
spare tire.....i hope it can last at
least a couple of weeks if not a
month.... also, if you want to know why i
need whole new set of wheels,
i busted my front right wheel hitting the
curb...
-
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You should go back to the TireRack
site and enter a 3000GT SL or Stealth RT
instead of a VR4. There are 57
wheels to choose from that fit our cars. Tire
rack will look up our
cars and set you up with the correct spacers, depending
on the wheel and
width you choose (9" is most popular with the members; good
idea, especially
if you choose wider tires someday...).
Recommendation for driving on a
spare is no more than 100 miles or so, since
different size tires on an axle
is not smart. Emergency use only.
Both the Yokohama AVS ES100
($112), and Kumho ECSTA Supra 712 ($96) in
245/45ZR17 will fit on any rim
between 7.5" and 9" (8" optimal). I've even
driven these AVS's on the
track, and they are pretty impressive... I like
them better than my
Bridgestone Potenza S-03 Pole Position, which were $100
more per
tire!
Good luck!
- --Forrest
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Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 13:52:42
-0600
From: "cody" <
overclck@satx.rr.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Need new wheels
Yes, but remember, you will need longer wheel
studs if you use spacers,
not to mention, even with spacers, not all wheels
will fit over the big
brake caliper of the VR4...
You might also check
out your local Discount Tire Co. or
www.discounttiredirect.com
After you figure in shipping, prices are
almost dead even, and at a DTC
store, mounting/balancing is already
included...
The AVS ES100 is an
awesome tire, and I highly recommend it, but by no
means is it an all-season
tire... Neither is the Kumho... even in the
AWD Talon, I can spin
either tire quite easily in the wet, and not just
in 1st... Dry
performance of both is exceptional, especially the
ES100...
As someone
else suggested, the BFgoodrich KDWS is an excellent all
season tire and
probably the best value, as they still hook good in the
dry too. KDWS =
"K"ey Features: "D"ry "W"et "S"now
- -Cody
You should
go back to the TireRack site and enter a 3000GT SL or Stealth
RT
instead
of a VR4. There are 57 wheels to choose from that fit our
cars.
Tire
rack will look up our cars and set you up with the correct
spacers,
depending
on the wheel and width you choose (9" is most popular
with the members;
good
idea, especially if you choose wider tires
someday...).
Recommendation for driving on a spare is no more than 100
miles or so,
since
different size tires on an axle is not smart.
Emergency use only.
Both the Yokohama AVS ES100 ($112), and Kumho ECSTA
Supra 712 ($96) in
245/45ZR17 will fit on any rim between 7.5" and 9" (8"
optimal). I've
even
driven these AVS's on the track, and they are
pretty impressive... I
like
them better than my Bridgestone Potenza
S-03 Pole Position, which were
$100
more per tire!
Good luck!
-
--Forrest
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Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:48:46
-0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <
bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Building a Track Car Part2 - I Got a VR4!
OK, here goes Part 2 of the
saga...
I bought my own VR-4 today-- a Baby Blue (I think it's Napier
Blue?) '91 with
a new engine just installed, rebuilt tranny, rebuilt turbos,
3SX motor mounts,
Borla exhaust, ATR downpipe, high-flow cat, Porterfield
crossdrilled cryoed
rotors, R4-S pads, stainless lines, upgraded acl
bearings, heads were
professionally rebuilt w/ all the surfaces machined,
valve job and all new
valves... Interior/exterior is perfect.
www.Team3S.com/Images/bf91vr4a.jpgwww.Team3S.com/Images/bf91vr4b.jpgwww.Team3S.com/Images/bf91vr4c.jpgwww.Team3S.com/Images/bf91vr4d.jpgThis
car seems like a great "blank canvas" on which to build a track car.
I
want flat cornering, so I'm deciding between a Ground Control setup,
with
camber plates, 600#F/350#R spring rates with GAB shocks set pretty
tight, OR
an out of the box JIC setup. Either setup to lower the car
1.5"-2". I'll be
adding the TEC front tower bar, rear anti-sway bar,
and lightweight crank
pulley, all from 3SX Performance.
Old friend and
"Big Red Brakes" impresario Brad Bedell is back on the scene,
re-engineering
his high-performance brake offering. Stay tuned... And get
in
touch with him if you are in the market for the original "real deal" Big
Reds:
bbedell@attbi.comSuggestions for
suspensions (et al) are appreciated. TIA...
-
--Forrest
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Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 21:55:57
-0600 (CST)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Re: Building a Track Car Part2 - I Got a VR4!
> adding the TEC
front tower bar, rear anti-sway bar, and lightweight crank
> pulley, all
from 3SX Performance.
- ---
That'd better be the damping pulley...if its
not, give up the single-digit
HP gains for reliability.
IMHO,
make a real track car Bob, lets enduro this thing.
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Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 20:09:44
-0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <
bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Re: Building a Track Car Part2 - I Got a VR4!
- ----- Original
Message -----
From: "Geoff Mohler" <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
To:
"Bob Forrest" <
bf@bobforrest.com>
> > adding
the TEC front tower bar, rear anti-sway bar, and lightweight crank
pulley,
all from 3SX Performance.
> ---
> That'd better be the damping
pulley...if its not, give up the single-digit
HP gains for reliability.
-
----------------->
NOT an underdrive smaller pulley - just lighter.
Single digit HP gain, yes,
but more responsive and just as reliable as
OEM.
> IMHO, make a real track car Bob, lets enduro this thing.
-
----------------->
You're reading my mind... ;-) You me, ET
and Nissa all driving Enduro.
- --Forrest
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Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 22:09:48
-0600 (CST)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Re: Building a Track Car Part2 - I Got a VR4!
I am
confused.
A lighter main pulley would be replacing the OEM damper
pulley.
All for what? Want spin, get a racing clutch, 10x the
improvement over
the visual mod of a main pulley in the grans scheme of
things.
But..if you wanna RACE car, start removing about 400-500lbs
right
away...and forget your suspension choices..they'll be all fucked
up.
On Sun, 2 Mar 2003, Bob Forrest wrote:
> ----- Original
Message -----
> From: "Geoff Mohler" <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
>
To: "Bob Forrest" <
bf@bobforrest.com>
> > >
adding the TEC front tower bar, rear anti-sway bar, and lightweight
crank
> pulley, all from 3SX Performance.
> > ---
> >
That'd better be the damping pulley...if its not, give up the
single-digit
> HP gains for reliability.
>
----------------->
> NOT an underdrive smaller pulley - just
lighter. Single digit HP gain, yes,
> but more responsive and just
as reliable as OEM.
>
>
> > IMHO, make a real track car
Bob, lets enduro this thing.
> ----------------->
> You're
reading my mind... ;-) You me, ET and Nissa all driving
Enduro.
>
> --Forrest
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Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 22:07:29
-0700
From: "Donald Ashby" <
dashbyiii@earthlink.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Need new wheels
I'm almost in the same boat, 1st gen 93 VR-4
and I need new rims, I thought that Jeff's site had a
page all about which
rims will fit, but I can't seem to find it. As far as wheel/tire
combinations
go I'm about as un-learned (pun) as one can get. So when you say
35-40mm offset, with 35 being the
safer size, does that mean 38 is stretching
it? I need some good (read: cheap) rims to put on my car
just to hold some
snow tires, that way I can switch them on and off depending on what week it is
in
Colorado...
Any input welcome, thanks
Donald Ashby
'93 3000GT
VR-4
"Don't drink and park, accidents cause people!"
- ----- Original
Message -----
From: "Lim, Yong H SPC" <
yong.lim@sill.army.mil>
To:
<
Team3S@team3s.com>
Sent:
Sunday, March 02, 2003 9:57 AM
Subject: Team3S: Need new
wheels
Well, I need a whole new sets of wheels so can anybody tell me
what are some
good wheels out there for our cars. I have 1gen 93 vr4
and I'm looking into
buy 17'' tires, I know that our cars 17'' * 8.5'' but I
can't really seem to
find any wheels that size in 17''(except the two milo
something in
tirerack.com).
I looked into ADR Kasai's 17'' * 8'' wheels
and Enkei's RP2 17" * 9" wheels,
they are about the same price and I am not
sure if I get 0.5'' smaller or
bigger wheels. Also, can anybody
recommend me some good all-season tires
that are relatively cheap(under 150
preferably).
Thank you.
P.S. Btw, how long can I rely on a
spare tire.....i hope it can last at
least a couple of weeks if not a
month.... also, if you want to know why i
need whole new set of wheels,
i busted my front right wheel hitting the
curve...
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Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 20:56:06
-0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Team3S: Re:
3S-Racers: Building a Track Car Part2 - I Got a VR4!
A few
points:
The JIC setup as currently configured is probably close to my GC
setup
in terms of ride --- I have 900# in front and the JIC has 870# or so.
I
think you can get custom configurations but I have no idea about
costs.
You should have a front and rear antiroll bar not just the
rear.
A roll bar [ Autopower ??? ], belts and a seat should be a top
priority.
I'm not convinced that a front strut tower bar is a high
priority --- if you
look at the construction of the front end you'll see that
the front strut towers
are very close to the firewall and therefore they
shouldn't flex much. In
addition I haven't seen what I would consider a good
design, all of the
bars I've seen look to be too flexible to do much good.
I'd like to see
a design that forms a triangle and attaches to the
firewall.
Jim
Berry
===================================================
- -----
Original Message -----
From: "Bob Forrest" <
bf@bobforrest.com>
> This car seems
like a great "blank canvas" on which to build a track car. I
> want
flat cornering, so I'm deciding between a Ground Control setup, with
>
camber plates, 600#F/350#R spring rates with GAB shocks set pretty tight,
OR
> an out of the box JIC setup. Either setup to lower the car
1.5"-2". I'll be
> adding the TEC front tower bar, rear anti-sway
bar, and lightweight crank
> pulley, all from 3SX Performance.
>
> Suggestions for suspensions (et al) are appreciated.
TIA...
>
> --Forrest
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Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 23:23:57
-0600 (CST)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Re: 3S-Racers: Building a Track Car Part2 - I Got a VR4!
>
A roll bar [ Autopower ??? ], belts and a seat should be a top priority.
-
---
Bob will require a cage.
> I'm not convinced that a front
strut tower bar is a high priority --- if you
> look at the construction
of the front end you'll see that the front strut towers
> are very close
to the firewall and therefore they shouldn't flex much. In
> addition I
haven't seen what I would consider a good design, all of the
> bars I've
seen look to be too flexible to do much good. I'd like to see
> a design
that forms a triangle and attaches to the firewall.
>
> Jim Berry
>
===================================================
>
> -----
Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Forrest" <
bf@bobforrest.com>
> > This car
seems like a great "blank canvas" on which to build a track car. I
>
> want flat cornering, so I'm deciding between a Ground Control setup,
with
> > camber plates, 600#F/350#R spring rates with GAB shocks set
pretty tight, OR
> > an out of the box JIC setup. Either setup to
lower the car 1.5"-2". I'll be
> > adding the TEC front tower
bar, rear anti-sway bar, and lightweight crank
> > pulley, all from 3SX
Performance.
> >
> > Suggestions for suspensions (et al) are
appreciated. TIA...
> >
> > --Forrest
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Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 02:49:01
-0500
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <
gphilip@umich.edu>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Need new wheels
At 12:07 AM 3/3/2003, Donald Ashby
wrote:
>So when you say 35-40mm offset, with 35 being the
>safer
size, does that mean 38 is stretching it?
There have been all kinds of
different reports about some rim offsets and
some tires causing minor
rubbing. People usually had to buy 5-mm spacers to
fix the problem. The most
extreme fitting case that caused no rubbing were
275x35R-18 tires on 18x9"
rims with a 40 mm offset. But I think I also
heard of other cars having some
problems with similar setups. A stock width
tire mounted on a 46-mm offset
rim does not rub if the offset is between 35
and 46 mm (stock it 46 mm). You
could do your own math depending on what
tires and what rims you want to use
and then post a more specific question
regarding the setup that you want to
buy. I am sure you will get a lot of
replies if you decide to buy something
unthinkable. :-)
Philip
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Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 02:49:01
-0500
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <
gphilip@umich.edu>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Need new wheels
At 12:07 AM 3/3/2003, Donald Ashby
wrote:
>So when you say 35-40mm offset, with 35 being the
>safer
size, does that mean 38 is stretching it?
There have been all kinds of
different reports about some rim offsets and
some tires causing minor
rubbing. People usually had to buy 5-mm spacers to
fix the problem. The most
extreme fitting case that caused no rubbing were
275x35R-18 tires on 18x9"
rims with a 40 mm offset. But I think I also
heard of other cars having some
problems with similar setups. A stock width
tire mounted on a 46-mm offset
rim does not rub if the offset is between 35
and 46 mm (stock it 46 mm). You
could do your own math depending on what
tires and what rims you want to use
and then post a more specific question
regarding the setup that you want to
buy. I am sure you will get a lot of
replies if you decide to buy something
unthinkable. :-)
Philip
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:02:17
-0500
From: "Starkey, Jr., Joseph" <
starkeyje@bipc.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: AWD tire rec's
See, I told you there's no consensus.
Anyway, Cody, what are the safety
reasons in an AWD car to put newer tires on
the rear?
- -----Original Message-----
From: cody
[mailto:overclck@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 8:10 PM
To:
Starkey, Jr., Joseph;
riyan@hotpop.com;
'Team3S'
Subject: RE: Team3S: AWD tire rec's
Actually, newest tires
should always go on the rear for safety
reasons...
-
-Cody
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:05:50
-0500
From: "Starkey, Jr., Joseph" <
starkeyje@bipc.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: re: AWD tire rec's
Hopefully we are not rotating ANY tires that
are prone to blowout. If
the tires are defective or worn, they should
all be replaced.
<<<This is the exact reason we always recommend
new tires to the rear
when
not replacing all 4... Also, one other
thing, there was a study done on
the Explorer's and the faulty Firestone
tires... I don't recall exact
numbers, but almost everyone that had a
blow out on the rear lost
control of the vehicle and/or rolled...
Almost every single driver that
had a blow out on the front was able to
control the vehicle because they
were able to fight against the will of the
vehicle to pull to one
side... When the tire was in the rear, the rear
of the vehicle would
pull horribly, and that is harder to
control...>>>
- -Cody
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:35:02
-0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Oil filter stud bolt question
sounds like he used the wrong
filter or stripped the threads on the new filter when he installed it.
sounds bogus to me. was it a Mitsubishi filter or aftermarket?
Chuck
Willis
- -----Original Message-----
the guy said that the new filter
wouldn't thread. He said it
was stripped from the last time the oil was
changed, but that the old
filter would tighten. That seemed kind of weird to
me and the first
thing I thought was that the filter he was using was
probably junk. He
said the old one would be fine until my next oil
change but that I
should probably get it fixed. I am not quite sure
what I should do.
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:42:06
-0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Spring installation
John once again demonstrates that he has
bigger ones than me! I used a spring compressor to remove front and rear
stock springs as well as when reinstalling them. He is right about not
needing the spring compressor when dealing with the aftermarket
springs.
Chuck Willis
- -----Original Message-----
From: John
Monnin [mailto:John.Monnin@3si.zzn.com]
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 8:31
PM
To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stCc:
joelsingh@primus.com.auSubject:
Team3S: Spring installation
If you are installing aftermarket springs
the only time you need a
spring compressor is to install the front
springs.
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:47:41
-0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: re: AWD tire rec's
hmm ... I'm not sure I buy this
explanation. You are saying that if the rear tires are slick, the car will be
tail happy. However, if the front tires are slick, you will lose the
ability to turn-in and the rear wheels will dutifully follow the front ones
right off the track.
Chuck Willis
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Philip V. Glazatov [mailto:gphilip@umich.edu]
Sent:
Friday, February 28, 2003 9:15 PM
To:
team3S@team3s.comSubject: RE: Team3S:
re: AWD tire rec's
And the explanation to this is very basic and
simple.
Bad/old/narrow/blown-up tires have less lateral grip. If they are in
the
front that causes more understeer. If they are in the rear that causes
more
oversteer. Understeer does not feel very good but it is perfectly safe
and
it is much better than the oversteer, which could go completely out of
control if things get hairy at a high speed.
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:51:15
-0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: re: AWD tire rec's
Come on, oversteer can be cause by a lot
of things, like applying brakes in a corner, like lifting off the throtle in a
high speed turn, anything that abruptly transfers weight to the front tires and
off the rear tires.
Physics is physics, AWD or not.
Chuck
Willis
- -----Original Message-----
From: Riyan Mynuddin
[mailto:riyan@hotpop.com]
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 11:16 PM
To:
Team3S
Subject: RE: Team3S: re: AWD tire rec's
Yes it is. That's
what made me lose control of my car and get into my fender
bender.
-
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Philip wrote:
Oversteer at high
speeds is lethal.
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Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 08:52:55
-0700
From: Desert Fox <
bigfoot@simmgene.com>
Subject:
Team3S: 275/35R18 on stock 18" rims?
Sorry for being redundant, if that
is the case, but is anybody running
275/35R18 tires on stock 18" rims?
Clearance problems in the front? I
formerly had 265/35R18 on the rear and can
vouch for that personally,
however I no not about this size or the 275 size
for the front.
- --
Paul/.
95 black 3000GT VR-4
98 VFR800F, TBR
aluminum hi exit
formerly reasonable and prudent
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:57:10
-0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Building a Track Car Part2 - I Got a VR4!
welcome to the Dark
Side of the Force ...
Chuck Willis
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Bob Forrest [mailto:bf@bobforrest.com]
Sent: Sunday,
March 02, 2003 9:49 PM
To:
Team3S@team3s.comCc: Team3S
Racers
Subject: Team3S: Building a Track Car Part2 - I Got a VR4!
OK,
here goes Part 2 of the saga...
I bought my own VR-4 today-- a Baby Blue
(I think it's Napier Blue?) '91 with
a new engine just installed, rebuilt
tranny, rebuilt turbos, 3SX motor mounts,
Borla exhaust, ATR downpipe,
high-flow cat, Porterfield crossdrilled cryoed
rotors, R4-S pads, stainless
lines, upgraded acl bearings, heads were
professionally rebuilt w/ all the
surfaces machined, valve job and all new
valves... Interior/exterior is
perfect.
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:59:31
-0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Building a Track Car Part2 - I Got a VR4!
Hey, Bob,
Is
that rear spoiler stuck in the up position? I bet if you did a search on
the web site you could find out how to replace that spoiler motor!
(grin)
Chuck Willis
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bob
Forrest [mailto:bf@bobforrest.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 9:49
PM
To:
Team3S@team3s.comCc: Team3S
Racers
Subject: Team3S: Building a Track Car Part2 - I Got a
VR4!
OK, here goes Part 2 of the saga...
I bought my own VR-4
today-- a Baby Blue (I think it's Napier Blue?) '91 with
a new engine just
installed, rebuilt tranny, rebuilt turbos, 3SX motor mounts,
Borla exhaust,
ATR downpipe, high-flow cat, Porterfield crossdrilled cryoed
rotors, R4-S
pads, stainless lines, upgraded acl bearings, heads were
professionally
rebuilt w/ all the surfaces machined, valve job and all new
valves...
Interior/exterior is perfect.
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:02:30
-0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Need new wheels
I think your best bet for the snow tires is a
set of used stock wheels. I have a spare set of Al 17" stock VR4 wheels,
although one needs to be straightened. Let me know if you are
interested.
Chuck Willis
- -----Original Message-----
From:
Donald Ashby [mailto:dashbyiii@earthlink.net]
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003
11:07 PM
To: Team3S
Subject: Re: Team3S: Need new wheels
I'm
almost in the same boat, 1st gen 93 VR-4 and I need new rims, I thought that
Jeff's site had a
page all about which rims will fit, but I can't seem to
find it. As far as wheel/tire combinations
go I'm about as un-learned (pun)
as one can get. So when you say 35-40mm offset, with 35 being the
safer size,
does that mean 38 is stretching it? I need some good (read: cheap) rims to put
on my car
just to hold some snow tires, that way I can switch them on and off
depending on what week it is in
Colorado...
Any input welcome,
thanks
Donald Ashby
'93 3000GT VR-4
"Don't drink and park, accidents
cause people!"
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:09:25
-0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: re: AWD tire rec's
You never know about blowouts. All tires
are worn as soon as they leave the dealer.
I've had blowouts on the rear
and front of a variety of vehicles, I can never recall any such problems with
loss of a rear tire. In fact, with some vehicles, it's difficult to
determine that you even HAD a blowout when it's on the rear. I think
Explorers just suck, and I wonder how far over the speed limit they were
going. When my son and I drove from Colorado to Texas in a blizzard in a
VR4, every mile or so we we see some SUV in the ditch.
Chuck
Willis
- -----Original Message-----
From: Starkey, Jr., Joseph
[mailto:starkeyje@bipc.com]
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 8:06 AM
To: cody;
Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.com;
team3S@team3s.comSubject: RE: Team3S:
re: AWD tire rec's
Hopefully we are not rotating ANY tires that are prone
to blowout. If
the tires are defective or worn, they should all be
replaced.
<<<This is the exact reason we always recommend new
tires to the rear
when
not replacing all 4... Also, one other thing,
there was a study done on
the Explorer's and the faulty Firestone
tires... I don't recall exact
numbers, but almost everyone that had a
blow out on the rear lost
control of the vehicle and/or rolled...
Almost every single driver that
had a blow out on the front was able to
control the vehicle because they
were able to fight against the will of the
vehicle to pull to one
side... When the tire was in the rear, the rear
of the vehicle would
pull horribly, and that is harder to
control...>>>
- -Cody
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:16:42
-0500
From: "Starkey, Jr., Joseph" <
starkeyje@bipc.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: re: AWD tire rec's
Oh, Chuck, stop being so hypertechnical!
(LOL). I'm talking about
rotating 2 slicks to the front and putting two
brandy-new tires on the
rears--or putting Blizzaks (tires prone to blow out)
on there, things
like that. In other words, putting 2 new Goodyear
Eagles on and
rotating your Eagle's with 50,000 miles on them that are down
to their
wear bars on the fronts or rears.
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Willis, Charles E.
[mailto:cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org]
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003
11:09 AM
To: Starkey, Jr., Joseph; cody;
Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.com;
team3S@team3s.comSubject: RE: Team3S:
re: AWD tire rec's
You never know about blowouts. All tires are worn as
soon as they leave
the dealer.
I've had blowouts on the rear and front
of a variety of vehicles, I can
never recall any such problems with loss of a
rear tire. In fact, with
some vehicles, it's difficult to determine
that you even HAD a blowout
when it's on the rear. I think Explorers
just suck, and I wonder how
far over the speed limit they were going.
When my son and I drove from
Colorado to Texas in a blizzard in a VR4, every
mile or so we we see
some SUV in the ditch.
Chuck Willis
-
-----Original Message-----
From: Starkey, Jr., Joseph
[mailto:starkeyje@bipc.com]
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 8:06 AM
To: cody;
Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.com;
team3S@team3s.comSubject: RE: Team3S:
re: AWD tire rec's
Hopefully we are not rotating ANY tires that are
prone to blowout. If
the tires are defective or worn, they should all
be replaced.
<<<This is the exact reason we always recommend
new tires to the rear
when
not replacing all 4... Also, one other
thing, there was a study done on
the Explorer's and the faulty Firestone
tires... I don't recall exact
numbers, but almost everyone that had a
blow out on the rear lost
control of the vehicle and/or rolled...
Almost every single driver that
had a blow out on the front was able to
control the vehicle because they
were able to fight against the will of the
vehicle to pull to one
side... When the tire was in the rear, the rear
of the vehicle would
pull horribly, and that is harder to
control...>>>
- -Cody
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:25:47
-0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: re: AWD tire rec's
Jeez! Philip gives a dissertation on
downforce and understeer, and I'm the one that gets ragged on for being
hypertechnical?
I am still running my "brandy new tires" on the
front. There is a LOT less work on the rear tires on the
street.
Keep us posted on how well the worn ones work out on the front,
especially when it rains!
Chuck Willis
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Starkey, Jr., Joseph [mailto:starkeyje@bipc.com]
Sent:
Monday, March 03, 2003 10:17 AM
To: Willis, Charles E.; cody;
Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.com;
team3S@team3s.comSubject: RE: Team3S:
re: AWD tire rec's
Oh, Chuck, stop being so hypertechnical!
(LOL).
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:30:34
-0600
From: "Lim, Yong H SPC" <
yong.lim@sill.army.mil>
Subject:
Team3S: Ok, I need help on choosing the rims..
I already made up my mind
on the tires, I am going to get BFGoodrich g-Force
T/A KDWS 245/45-17.
Now, I want 17'' rims but I am not sure what rims are
out there for sure
beside the ones shown in tirerack.com.
I found two rims so far other
than the ones in tirerack.com that I think
look pretty decent:
DTM 2000
(VR4) 17x9 @ speedfacotr.net
Enkei RPM2 17X9 5-114.3 40HB @
tire.com
Which one should I get and I'm not 100% sure if Enkei
rims are going to fit
in my vr4 for sure. Does anybody if it will for
sure without using spacers?
Thanks
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:37:52
-0500
From: "Starkey, Jr., Joseph" <
starkeyje@bipc.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: re: AWD tire rec's
I always replace my tires in 4s. But I
tend to agree that if you don't,
the better tires should be on the front for
the SIMPLE reason you
site--There is a LOT less work on the rear tires on the
street.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Willis, Charles E.
[mailto:cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org]
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003
11:26 AM
To: Starkey, Jr., Joseph; cody;
Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.com;
team3S@team3s.comSubject: RE: Team3S:
re: AWD tire rec's
Jeez! Philip gives a dissertation on downforce and
understeer, and I'm
the one that gets ragged on for being
hypertechnical?
I am still running my "brandy new tires" on the
front. There is a LOT
less work on the rear tires on the
street.
Keep us posted on how well the worn ones work out on the
front,
especially when it rains!
Chuck Willis
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Info:
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:06:11
-0600
From: "Lim, Yong H SPC" <
yong.lim@sill.army.mil>
Subject:
Team3S: I just talked with the rep. in tire.com regarding enkei
wheel
They tell me that Enkei RPM02 would protrude outwards 0.5 inches
more than
the OEM whee and the offset is 40mm. I really like the fact
that this wheel
is a lightweight but I'm not sure if this will fit or
not? I think the
offset with 17*8 is 35mm. Which one should I
get, 17*8 or 17*9.
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