team3s           Wednesday, August 23 2000           Volume 01 : Number 244




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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:04:14 -0400
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject: Team3S: Mitsubishi Motors to expand recall

Has anyone been affected by this?  Here is a link to some TSBs and Recalls.
Be smart and make sure your Mitsu has been fixed for all recalls if needed.

- --Flash!
dschilberg@freemarkets.com

3Si #577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ K&N FIPK and a Valentine One
http://www.ec3s.org/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi
http://www.3kgt.com <http://www.3kgt.com>  - "Car pictures" then "Readers'
4" page

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Mitsubishi Motors to expand recall
By Mitsuo Suzuki

TOKYO, Aug 17 (Reuters) - Mitsubishi Motors Corp is likely to expand a
vehicle recall linked to a cover-up of consumer complaints after an internal
probe found the cover-up was more widespread than thought, Japanese media
reported on Thursday.

Mitsubishi Motors , Japan's fourth-biggest automaker, will add more than
50,000 cars and trucks to its planned recall, pushing the total above
580,000, Jiji news agency reported.

A spokesman for the automaker was unable to confirm the report, adding that
the results of the internal investigation, including measures to improve
internal controls and penalize those responsible for the cover-up, would be
released next week.

The scandal has sparked modest losses in Mitsubishi Motors' share price, but
analysts warned a bigger decline may be looming.

"The share price has been slow to react to this news but there will be a
serious impact soon," Merrill Lynch analyst Takaki Nakanishi said.

Mitsubishi's shares ended Thursday's trade at 448 yen ($4.13), down seven
percent from Monday's close but still well above both the intraday low of
388 yen hit shortly after the scandal broke in July and the year's low of
305 yen hit in January.

Mitsubishi said on July 18 it would recall 514,000 vehicles in Japan at a
cost of five billion yen ($46.10 million) after it was learned the company
had hidden a large number of consumer complaints from Transport Ministry
officials since 1992. The recall figure was later raised to 530,000.



PROBE UNCOVERS WIDER COVER-UP

Thursday's Jiji report, quoting unnamed sources, said an internal
investigation had uncovered additional complaints that had been hidden from
government authorities, and at least two separate divisions within the
company were involved.

The day before, the Yomiuri Shimbun said the cover-up dated back to the
launch of Mitsubishi Motors' recall system in 1969.

Mitsubishi Motors President Katsuhiko Kawasoe, appointed chief executive in
late 1997 to clean up the company's image after his predecessor stepped down
amid a racketeer payoff scandal, told business daily Nihon Keizai Shimbun
his own salary would be cut and other officials would also be held
accountable for the scandal.

Although both the Transport Ministry and the company have said they had no
evidence senior management was involved in or aware of the cover-up, the
scandal has raised doubts about the struggling automaker's reform program,
including a drive to cut costs and debt levels.

"The biggest problem at Mitsubishi is that it failed to make the progress
planned in its reforms, and if Kawasoe ends up resigning there'll be no
proper successor in the company," Merrill Lynch's Nakanishi said.

In May, Mitsubishi forecast its group net loss would triple in the business
year to next March to 70 billion yen, although this was due mainly to
covering retirement benefit liabilities.

Analysts have also said they doubted the scandal would interfere with
Mitsubishi's alliance with DaimlerChrysler AG (NYSE:DCX - news) , which
agreed in March to acquire a 34 percent stake in the Japanese carmaker.

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:40:26 -0400
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Mitsubishi Motors to expand recall

... and for those of you who want to search for your specific car then
follow this link ...

http://www.alldata.com/recalls/ <http://www.alldata.com/recalls/>


- --Flash!
dschilberg@freemarkets.com

3Si #577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ K&N FIPK and a Valentine One
http://www.ec3s.org/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi
http://www.3kgt.com <http://www.3kgt.com>  - "Car pictures" then "Readers'
4" page

- -----Original Message-----
From: Schilberg, Darren [mailto:DSchilberg@freemarkets.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 2:04 PM
To: Team3S (E-mail)
Subject: Team3S: Mitsubishi Motors to expand recall

Has anyone been affected by this?  Here is a link to some TSBs and Recalls.
Be smart and make sure your Mitsu has been fixed for all recalls if needed.

- --Flash!
dschilberg@freemarkets.com

3Si #577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ K&N FIPK and a Valentine One
http://www.ec3s.org/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi
http://www.3kgt.com <http://www.3kgt.com>  - "Car pictures" then "Readers'
4" page

+ = + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + =

Mitsubishi Motors to expand recall
By Mitsuo Suzuki

TOKYO, Aug 17 (Reuters) - Mitsubishi Motors Corp is likely to expand a
vehicle recall linked to a cover-up of consumer complaints after an internal
probe found the cover-up was more widespread than thought, Japanese media
reported on Thursday.

Mitsubishi Motors , Japan's fourth-biggest automaker, will add more than
50,000 cars and trucks to its planned recall, pushing the total above
580,000, Jiji news agency reported.

A spokesman for the automaker was unable to confirm the report, adding that
the results of the internal investigation, including measures to improve
internal controls and penalize those responsible for the cover-up, would be
released next week.

The scandal has sparked modest losses in Mitsubishi Motors' share price, but
analysts warned a bigger decline may be looming.

"The share price has been slow to react to this news but there will be a
serious impact soon," Merrill Lynch analyst Takaki Nakanishi said.

Mitsubishi's shares ended Thursday's trade at 448 yen ($4.13), down seven
percent from Monday's close but still well above both the intraday low of
388 yen hit shortly after the scandal broke in July and the year's low of
305 yen hit in January.

Mitsubishi said on July 18 it would recall 514,000 vehicles in Japan at a
cost of five billion yen ($46.10 million) after it was learned the company
had hidden a large number of consumer complaints from Transport Ministry
officials since 1992. The recall figure was later raised to 530,000.



PROBE UNCOVERS WIDER COVER-UP

Thursday's Jiji report, quoting unnamed sources, said an internal
investigation had uncovered additional complaints that had been hidden from
government authorities, and at least two separate divisions within the
company were involved.

The day before, the Yomiuri Shimbun said the cover-up dated back to the
launch of Mitsubishi Motors' recall system in 1969.

Mitsubishi Motors President Katsuhiko Kawasoe, appointed chief executive in
late 1997 to clean up the company's image after his predecessor stepped down
amid a racketeer payoff scandal, told business daily Nihon Keizai Shimbun
his own salary would be cut and other officials would also be held
accountable for the scandal.

Although both the Transport Ministry and the company have said they had no
evidence senior management was involved in or aware of the cover-up, the
scandal has raised doubts about the struggling automaker's reform program,
including a drive to cut costs and debt levels.

"The biggest problem at Mitsubishi is that it failed to make the progress
planned in its reforms, and if Kawasoe ends up resigning there'll be no
proper successor in the company," Merrill Lynch's Nakanishi said.

In May, Mitsubishi forecast its group net loss would triple in the business
year to next March to 70 billion yen, although this was due mainly to
covering retirement benefit liabilities.

Analysts have also said they doubted the scandal would interfere with
Mitsubishi's alliance with DaimlerChrysler AG (NYSE:DCX - news) , which
agreed in March to acquire a 34 percent stake in the Japanese carmaker.

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:57:13 +0100
From: George Shaw <george.shaw@btinternet.com>
Subject: Team3S: GTO vs GT

Hi folks

After a few comments made over a few to many pints of beer I was wondering what the general opinion was on the Japanese import GTO vs the UK (or USA) spec GT or VR4. Is one better than the other?

GS


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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:00:33 -0500
From: "cody" <overclck@flash.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: GTO vs GT

For all practical purposes they are the same car.

Certain countries got larger turbos from the factory, with the same boost
levels.

Non-Turbo GTO's from Japan are All-Wheel Drive.

Turbo GTO's from Japan carry a lower HP rating due to Japan's strict
regulations.

GTO's are right hand drive.

That's about it when it comes to comparing the different cars.

I believe there is also a GTO MR in Japan (I thought MR usually meant
Mid-Engine, Rear Wheel Drive; but I assure you it's AWD) - I believe this
model is a tad lighter than the standard VR4 or GTO TT.

- -Cody


- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of George Shaw
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 2:57 PM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: GTO vs GT


Hi folks

After a few comments made over a few to many pints of beer I was wondering
what the general opinion was on the Japanese import GTO vs the UK (or USA)
spec GT or VR4. Is one better than the other?

GS


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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:13:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ARC setup

Thanks Roger for the informative reply. I like the idea of adding a
thermistor to supply real air temp measurements for the ECU. Doesn't
the thermistor output need to be converted to the correct voltage
input range for the ECU? The ARC2 does not need to be in the path at
all for pressure and temperature input to the ECU. I think the sensor
should be near the MAS though as the ECU is using the pressure and
flow readings (along with temp) to calculate the mass of air going
through the MAS. If we give it the (unfortunately) higher reading
near the plenum it will think there is less air mass than there
really is and so less fuel! I know, I know, that is what we are
already doing but why confuse the ECU any further? I am very much
interested in adding air temp sensors to my IC pipes and for the MAS
- - another winter project.

Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
Stealth 316
  --> http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius/

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Gerl" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
To: "Jeff Lucius" <stealthman92@yahoo.com>;
<Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 2:01 AM
Subject: Team3S: ARC setup (was : Need Help)

<snip>
I'm working on the temp thing as I need it for the summer. I'm sure a

simple variable resistor will do the job just havent had the chance
to try it out yet. I'm also considering a small thermoresistor that
will be mounted at the airfilter providing the ECU the correct
temperature (as the MAF doesn't have them anymore). BTW, this is what
the VPC does as it doesn't do a lot if any to the mixture when temp
rises but the signal to the ECU is changed to show the temp increase
(in the intake manifold). I think this is not a bad idea to deliver
the real temperature  of the air in the y-pipe for the ECU, but it is
possible that it then highly retards the timing when it sees 90°C
(without WI !!!!!!) at the throttle body ! The desired temp shoudl
always be below 50°C and best results are at 39°C (thank you WI !!!).
When I'm able again to crawl under the car I will get the stuff ready
soon and will then check this out.
<snip>

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:20:49 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: GTO vs GT

> Turbo GTO's from Japan carry a lower HP rating due to
> Japan's strict regulations.

The operative word in that sentence is "rating" as they still make standard
horsepower (or possibly more).  All Japanese manufacturers are listing their
top cars at 280, even though the cars make more - in some cases a LOT more
(Skyline).

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:26:03 -0700
From: "Browne, Troy E" <troy.e.browne@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Need Help

Hi Folks,

Troy here with some bad news about my baby(96 3000GT VR4 Spyder)

It looks like I jumped the timing belt :(  The dealer just called
to inform me that I had ZERO compression in the #1 cylinder so I guess
that means the heads are coming off, new timing belt, tensioner, water
pump, gaskets, machine work etc...  Joy

I guess my question now is...  Assuming there is only damage to the heads.
Do I rebuild the whole thing or just just the heads? 

If just the heads, stock valves? Cams? lash adjusters?  Or  Aftermarket.

I know there have been alot of posts lately on after market valves, pistons,
and crankshafts (not to turn them)  and one in particular about a shop which
would
either rebuild or trade out a high perfomance engine for a reasonable price.
(and I would prefer better than stock parts.)
Unfortunately, I deleted all these posts as I blindly hoped this wouldn't
happen
to me.  After all the engine only has 19k on it, right?

What I'm looking for is this:  I want this to be a perfomance engine able to
handle
my 15Gs and 720cc inj. which is still a dependable daily driver.  Money is
not a big
concern within reason.(still have to explain it to the spouse)

Does anyone have recommendations?

Should I send the engine out to a performance shop.  If so does anyone know
of a good one near Sacramento.

Should I have the dealer do it?  3-4k if lower end touched.  1.5-2k top end
only. (They will
allow upgraded parts to be installed , not sure about port/polish/balancing.
Manager said they
send it out to a shop.)

I'm hesitant to beef up the top end without touching the low end for fear of
knock damage
(Rogers posts) since the only thing the dealer would see is the cylinder
walls.

One more thing,  I'd prefer to use the stock block to keep all serial
numbers intact.


Uuggghh,  sorry for the long post everyone,  just wanted to let you know.


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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:49:01 EDT
From: SKCrusader@aol.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Odyssey aka Predator Battery

Would someone please explain water injection to me??  I've never heard of this before.....Thanks.

Scott
'89 Grand Pricks (oops, that's Prix) POS
Waiting for my own TT


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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:51:40 -0700
From: "Browne, Troy E" <troy.e.browne@intel.com>
Subject: Team3S: RE:  Need Help

Hopefully this will be easier to read now. changed to plain text.


Hi Folks,

Troy here with some bad news about my baby(96 3000GT VR4 Spyder)

It looks like I jumped the timing belt :(  The dealer just called
to inform me that I had ZERO compression in the #1 cylinder so I guess
that means the heads are coming off, new timing belt, tensioner, water
pump, gaskets, machine work etc...  Joy

I guess my question now is...  Assuming there is only damage to the heads.
Do I rebuild the whole thing or just just the heads? 

If just the heads, stock valves? Cams? lash adjusters?  Or  Aftermarket.

I know there have been alot of posts lately on after market valves, pistons,
and crankshafts (not to turn them)  and one in particular about a shop which
would either rebuild or trade out a high perfomance engine for a reasonable
price.
(and I would prefer better than stock parts.)

Unfortunately, I deleted all these posts as I blindly hoped this wouldn't
happen
to me.  After all the engine only has 19k on it, right?

What I'm looking for is this:  I want this to be a perfomance engine able to
handle my 15Gs and 720cc inj. which is still a dependable daily driver.
Money is
not a big concern within reason.(still have to explain it to the spouse)

Does anyone have recommendations?

Should I send the engine out to a performance shop.  If so does anyone know
of a good one near Sacramento.

Should I have the dealer do it?  3-4k if lower end touched.  1.5-2k top end
only. (They will allow upgraded parts to be installed , not sure about
port/polish/
balancing.  Manager said they send it out to a shop.)

I'm hesitant to beef up the top end without touching the low end for fear of
knock damage (Rogers web posts) since the only thing the dealer would see is
the cylinder
walls.

One more thing,  I'd prefer to use the stock block to keep all serial
numbers intact.


Uuggghh,  sorry for the long post everyone,  just wanted to let you know.


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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:56:14 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Need Help

> It looks like I jumped the timing belt :(  The dealer
> just called to inform me that I had ZERO compression
> in the #1 cylinder so I guess that means the heads
> are coming off, new timing belt, tensioner, water
> pump, gaskets, machine work etc...  Joy

Oooof!  Tough break.

> I guess my question now is...  Assuming there is
> only damage to the heads.  Do I rebuild the whole
> thing or just just the heads? 

If one cylinder is bad enough to be zero compression, there is probably some
piston damage as well.  Best thing to do would be to go with forged pistons
if you are going to keep the car upgraded.  Since you installed 720cc
injectors I'm going to assume that you are looking for huge performance out
of it and want to run lots of boost at the dragstrip or something.

> After all the engine only has 19k on it, right?

19k?  The timing belt should still be covered under the powertrain warranty.
None of the modifications you made would affect the durability of the timing
belt.  You might want to try to pursue the warranty angle.

> I'm hesitant to beef up the top end without touching
> the low end for fear of knock damage (Rogers posts)
> since the only thing the dealer would see is the
> cylinder walls.

If you are into it as far as the heads, and the cost isn't a huge concern,
I'd go with the forged pistons and whatever rods the group recommends.
Seems like Mitsubishi rods are pretty good, but I'm not "in the know" once
you crack open the motor.

> One more thing,  I'd prefer to use the stock block
> to keep all serial numbers intact.

Most likely the block is fine and you should be able to use it just fine.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:42:36 -0700
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE:  Need Help

> It looks like I jumped the timing belt :(  The dealer just called
> to inform me that I had ZERO compression in the #1 cylinder so I guess
> that means the heads are coming off, new timing belt, tensioner, water
> pump, gaskets, machine work etc...  Joy

Being that this is the dealer, do you know for sure that they re-aligned the
cams before doing the compression test?  If not, the valves could be open during
the compression stroke (hopefully not at TDC though).

Matt is right.  At 19K on a '96, you are covered 100% under warranty.  They
should pick up the entire cost.  If you have mods, they will have to prove that
the mods were directly responsible for the timing belt slip rather than a
stretched belt, faulty tensioner, or faulty tensioner installation.

- --
Forget world peace -- visualize using your turn signal!

Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:51:53 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Need Help

>> 19k?  The timing belt should still be covered under the
>> powertrain warranty.  None of the modifications you made
>> would affect the durability of the timing belt.  You
>> might want to try to pursue the warranty angle.

> Dealer already kyboshed that idea due to extensive mods
> and past 3yr/36K warranty.  I will try that angle
> verbally with the service manager though.

Powertrain warranty is 5 years / 60,000 miles on Mitsubishi vehicles,
including Spyder.  On such a low mileage vehicle like yours the timing belt
shouldn't be out of adjustment / broken already.

> Not looking to take it to the strip but road course definitely.

They'll let you do that with your Spyder?  Roadracing groups around here in
Minnesota require a rollbar on convertibles, and I'm not willing to
structurally modify my Spyder to that extent, not to mention a rollbar would
look lame with the top down (IMHO).

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:18:00 -0700
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Need Help

> >> 19k?  The timing belt should still be covered under the
> >> powertrain warranty.  None of the modifications you made
> >> would affect the durability of the timing belt.  You
> >> might want to try to pursue the warranty angle.
>
> > Dealer already kyboshed that idea due to extensive mods
> > and past 3yr/36K warranty.  I will try that angle
> > verbally with the service manager though.

Of course the dealer will try to dissuade you!  Remember, these guys are trying
to make money.  Don't let them put the kybosh on it!  You may need to talk to
the area representative, not the service manager.  See
http://www.sema.org/fedleg/warranty/warranty.html for info on warranty denials.

Like Matt said, engine & drivetrain are covered for 5 year / 60K miles!  Fight
for this!

- --
Forget world peace -- visualize using your turn signal!

Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego

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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:18:17 +0200
From: "Roger Gerl \(RTEC\)" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Need Help

> Powertrain warranty is 5 years / 60,000 miles on Mitsubishi vehicles,
> including Spyder.  On such a low mileage vehicle like yours the timing
belt
> shouldn't be out of adjustment / broken already.

Mitsubishi warranty claim : Changes and modification made to the engine that
does include fuel system and internals as well as running the engine out of
its specs violates any warranty provided by Mitsubishi Motors Corporation.

The car runs out of it's specs as well as some mods have been done. The
timing belt slippage is normally not affected by the mods but during the
work one could have been made something wrong and Mitsubishi is not willing
to pay for any mechanics bad work. This is clear as the guy simply could
have attached the belt with just too less tourque ! Mitsu pays if the
problem appeared due to a broken pulley, belt or anythign else that finally
caused the belt to slip. If the belt just slipped due to too less tourque
... tuff luck. If this works out, I will loosen the the belt tensioner, ru
nthe car up to 8000 (G-Force self-programmed) and then call Mitsu ... uuuups
the timing belt slipped, may I have a new engine please ? Sorry, but at
least here in Europe, they are not that stupid.

Kens note on the cam alignement is very good ! Zero compression normally
means valves are not closing or the piston has a hole in it (I just had this
on my clients car). If the other cyls reading are better or good then of
course the cam is properly aligned.

For the damage, also the piston should be replaced as well as the rods taken
out and balanced again. Yes, the belt should be changed as well as the
gaskets. But all pistons will become new rings as I'd not do only one. The
idea of good forged psitons should be taken. I was screwed at this time by
the dealer and I haven't got them on time (i.e. cancelled the order) as I
waited for the stuff more than 4 weeks. The heads "should " not have any
damage. The engine I got from a jumped belt had scratched cams and a crack
in the head. A used good engine was finally cheaper than the rebuild we
calculated in advance. The crankshaft is no problem and can be left where it
is.

After reading your posts again, I doubt that the belt has jumped and I more
belive in the fact you runned lean enough that caused the piston to break or
... the same liek happend to me lately ... that there must be a big bubble
of that caused an overheat situation at only one cyl. And #1 only breaks if
there is a serious problem (enough cooling there.) Strange... I'd liek to
see the heads off :) Have the digicam ready for us.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch


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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:28:44 +0200
From: "Roger Gerl \(RTEC\)" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ARC setup

> Thanks Roger for the informative reply. I like the idea of adding a
> thermistor to supply real air temp measurements for the ECU. Doesn't
> the thermistor output need to be converted to the correct voltage
> input range for the ECU?

I have to check the manual again but this is not a big deal. It's just
another wire to route through the firewall :-/

> The ARC2 does not need to be in the path at
> all for pressure and temperature input to the ECU.

Correct, but I'd say we don't need the barometric sensor.

> I think the sensor
> should be near the MAS though as the ECU is using the pressure and
> flow readings (along with temp) to calculate the mass of air going
> through the MAS.

Yep, just make thread into the MAF housing :-)

> If we give it the (unfortunately) higher reading
> near the plenum it will think there is less air mass than there
> really is and so less fuel!

The AC would then compensate this, but no, close to or in the MAF would be
the answer.

> interested in adding air temp sensors to my IC pipes and for the MAS
> - another winter project.

Hey, I need the car in winter, hehe. The ICs will probably find their way
into the car next year !

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch


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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:38:50 +0200
From: "Roger Gerl \(RTEC\)" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 3. Euro Spec

> 3.  Concernes about the new VR-4
>
> the car faster, but how safe was it for the car and what should I look for
in
> terms of engine damage.

Only a good compression test and leak down test can tell something about the
health. No, it is not safe if not done properly !

> When you read further down, you will notice I want to
> put a boost controller, will I most likely have to undo what the previous
owner
> did?

Yes

> am currently trying to get a US map for it.  Anyways, are all the Euro
Spec
> 3000GTs with the stearing wheel on the right side?

No, the japanese cars do have it on the right side. Please note that the
most european countries use the left side driving style. The UK cars are
pure japanese cars with some restrictions and governours installed.

> .. or perhaps do they all  say GTO instead of 3000GT?

No, in Europe they have been know as 3000GT

> I am just trying to find out if it is Euro Spec or
> not?

No it isn't

Hehe, my mom would take my car at any time or swap it with the MX-3 I bought
her a year ago... no way mom, I keep it ;-)

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch


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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:36:20 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Need Help

>> Powertrain warranty is 5 years / 60,000 miles on Mitsubishi vehicles,
>> including Spyder.  On such a low mileage vehicle like yours the timing
>> belt shouldn't be out of adjustment / broken already.

> Mitsubishi warranty claim : Changes and modification made to
> the engine that does include fuel system and internals as well
> as running the engine out of its specs violates any warranty
> provided by Mitsubishi Motors Corporation.

In Europe that might apply, but in the US there are laws that protect
consumers from automakers voiding warranties flat-out.  If the part that
failed is not directly affected by other modifications, the manufacturer
must honor their warranty.  If the timing belt tensioner failed, causing the
belt to skip a tooth then Mitsubishi should honor the warranty on that part
and the subsequent damage it caused.

> The car runs out of it's specs as well as some mods have been
> done. The timing belt slippage is normally not affected by
> the mods but during the work one could have been made
> something wrong and Mitsubishi is not willing to pay for any
> mechanics bad work. This is clear as the guy simply could
> have attached the belt with just too less tourque !

The problem with this resoning is that the guy who would've screwed up the
timing belt would have been a MITSUBISHI factory worker.  The car has only
19,000 miles on it!  I'm pretty sure the timing belt wouldn't have been
touched since it left the factory.  You wouldn't mess with it just for kicks
- - it is a chore to even get at it!  Of course, this all assumes that it is
actually the timing belt that is the problem.

> After reading your posts again, I doubt that the belt has
> jumped and I more belive in the fact you runned lean
> enough that caused the piston to break or... the same
> liek happend to me lately ... that there must be a big
> bubble of that caused an overheat situation at only one
> cyl. And #1 only breaks if there is a serious problem
> (enough cooling there.) Strange... I'd liek to
> see the heads off :) Have the digicam ready for us.

I agree with you there...  The timing belt jumping is reasonably unlikely,
but not unheard of.  Could be a hole in a piston - that'd be one way to get
zero compression.  However, with a hole in a piston I'd think the other 5
cylinders would be able to start the car.  I don't know, luckily I haven't
been down that road...

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:14:51 +1200
From: Kevin Clark <Kevin.Clark@hnz.co.nz>
Subject: RE: Team3S: GTO vs GT

> For all practical purposes they are the same car.

You missed the most important feature... the "fog" lights
can be turned on and off at will (the main headlamps are
not required to be on)  :)

There are a few other little cosmetic differences, like
the colour of the indicators, etc.  It should also be noted
that many early VR4's came with 16" wheels and cloth seats
(leather and 17", and sunroofs were options), which suited
me just find as I don't particularly like leather seats.

A front, rear and interior view of a '91 GT0-VR4 can be
found at the following:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/8443/Images_Gto_gto_front-l.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/8443/Images_Gto_gto_rear-l.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/8443/Images_Gto_gto_dash-l.jpg

Cheers,
Kevin Clark
'91 GTO-VR4

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:17:02 -0400
From: "LabRat" <labrat101@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: Transfer case help please?

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My transfer case has been leaking oil.  I had it checked a week ago and I
was told it was full\topped off,  Anyway I drive home fine with no problems
but tonight went to go for a ride and couldnt move the car.


Clutch seems fine,  when I engage the clutch it seems as if the car has its
brakes on,  it trys to move but dosent want to,  There are some god awful
noises coming from the transmission\ transfer case area.    metal to metal
squeeks and groans  and metalic pings
I can shift fine. 
The car trys to move but something is grabbing \ stopping it.
  I cannot get under the car to check the transfer case fluids and it surely
is not going to be driven the way it is.
 Does this problem sound familiar to anyone? 
 Suggestions?  

On a side note I just had the engine rebuilt and installed a couple weeks
ago, There was NO transfer case leak prior to this and the shop guys said it
was minor and they had tightened the bolts up.  

Thanks,
J Couture
labrat101@home.com

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:40:20 -0400
From: "LabRat" <labrat101@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: Transfer case help please (plain text-sorry)

My transfer case has been leaking oil.  I had it checked a week ago and I
was told it was full\topped off,  Anyway I drive home fine with no problems
but tonight went to go for a ride and couldnt move the car.


Clutch seems fine,  when I engage the clutch it seems as if the car has its
brakes on,  it trys to move but dosent want to,  There are some god awful
noises coming from the transmission\ transfer case area.    metal to metal
squeeks and groans  and metalic pings
I can shift fine.
The car trys to move but something is grabbing \ stopping it.
  I cannot get under the car to check the transfer case fluids and it surely
is not going to be driven the way it is.
 Does this problem sound familiar to anyone?
 Suggestions?

On a side note I just had the engine rebuilt and installed a couple weeks
ago, There was NO transfer case leak prior to this and the shop guys said it
was minor and they had tightened the bolts up.

Thanks,
J Couture
labrat101@home.com


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