team3s
Wednesday, August 23
2000 Volume 01 :
Number
244
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Date:
Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:04:14 -0400
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <
DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Mitsubishi Motors to expand recall
Has anyone been affected by
this? Here is a link to some TSBs and Recalls.
Be smart and make sure
your Mitsu has been fixed for all recalls if needed.
- --Flash!
dschilberg@freemarkets.com3Si
#577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ K&N FIPK and a Valentine One
http://www.ec3s.org/cgi-bin/gallery.cgihttp://www.3kgt.com <
http://www.3kgt.com> - "Car pictures"
then "Readers'
4" page
+ = + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + =
+ =
Mitsubishi Motors to expand recall
By Mitsuo Suzuki
TOKYO,
Aug 17 (Reuters) - Mitsubishi Motors Corp is likely to expand a
vehicle
recall linked to a cover-up of consumer complaints after an internal
probe
found the cover-up was more widespread than thought, Japanese media
reported
on Thursday.
Mitsubishi Motors , Japan's fourth-biggest automaker, will
add more than
50,000 cars and trucks to its planned recall, pushing the total
above
580,000, Jiji news agency reported.
A spokesman for the
automaker was unable to confirm the report, adding that
the results of the
internal investigation, including measures to improve
internal controls and
penalize those responsible for the cover-up, would be
released next
week.
The scandal has sparked modest losses in Mitsubishi Motors' share
price, but
analysts warned a bigger decline may be looming.
"The share
price has been slow to react to this news but there will be a
serious impact
soon," Merrill Lynch analyst Takaki Nakanishi said.
Mitsubishi's shares
ended Thursday's trade at 448 yen ($4.13), down seven
percent from Monday's
close but still well above both the intraday low of
388 yen hit shortly after
the scandal broke in July and the year's low of
305 yen hit in
January.
Mitsubishi said on July 18 it would recall 514,000 vehicles in
Japan at a
cost of five billion yen ($46.10 million) after it was learned the
company
had hidden a large number of consumer complaints from Transport
Ministry
officials since 1992. The recall figure was later raised to
530,000.
PROBE UNCOVERS WIDER COVER-UP
Thursday's Jiji
report, quoting unnamed sources, said an internal
investigation had uncovered
additional complaints that had been hidden from
government authorities, and
at least two separate divisions within the
company were involved.
The
day before, the Yomiuri Shimbun said the cover-up dated back to the
launch of
Mitsubishi Motors' recall system in 1969.
Mitsubishi Motors President
Katsuhiko Kawasoe, appointed chief executive in
late 1997 to clean up the
company's image after his predecessor stepped down
amid a racketeer payoff
scandal, told business daily Nihon Keizai Shimbun
his own salary would be cut
and other officials would also be held
accountable for the
scandal.
Although both the Transport Ministry and the company have said
they had no
evidence senior management was involved in or aware of the
cover-up, the
scandal has raised doubts about the struggling automaker's
reform program,
including a drive to cut costs and debt levels.
"The
biggest problem at Mitsubishi is that it failed to make the progress
planned
in its reforms, and if Kawasoe ends up resigning there'll be no
proper
successor in the company," Merrill Lynch's Nakanishi said.
In May,
Mitsubishi forecast its group net loss would triple in the business
year to
next March to 70 billion yen, although this was due mainly to
covering
retirement benefit liabilities.
Analysts have also said they doubted the
scandal would interfere with
Mitsubishi's alliance with DaimlerChrysler AG
(NYSE:DCX - news) , which
agreed in March to acquire a 34 percent stake in
the Japanese carmaker.
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:40:26
-0400
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <
DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Mitsubishi Motors to expand recall
... and for those of you
who want to search for your specific car then
follow this link ...
http://www.alldata.com/recalls/
<
http://www.alldata.com/recalls/>
- --Flash!
dschilberg@freemarkets.com3Si
#577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ K&N FIPK and a Valentine One
http://www.ec3s.org/cgi-bin/gallery.cgihttp://www.3kgt.com <
http://www.3kgt.com> - "Car pictures"
then "Readers'
4" page
- -----Original Message-----
From:
Schilberg, Darren [
mailto:DSchilberg@freemarkets.com]
Sent:
Wednesday, August 23, 2000 2:04 PM
To: Team3S (E-mail)
Subject: Team3S:
Mitsubishi Motors to expand recall
Has anyone been affected by
this? Here is a link to some TSBs and Recalls.
Be smart and make sure
your Mitsu has been fixed for all recalls if needed.
- --Flash!
dschilberg@freemarkets.com3Si
#577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ K&N FIPK and a Valentine One
http://www.ec3s.org/cgi-bin/gallery.cgihttp://www.3kgt.com <
http://www.3kgt.com> - "Car pictures"
then "Readers'
4" page
+ = + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + =
+ =
Mitsubishi Motors to expand recall
By Mitsuo Suzuki
TOKYO,
Aug 17 (Reuters) - Mitsubishi Motors Corp is likely to expand a
vehicle
recall linked to a cover-up of consumer complaints after an internal
probe
found the cover-up was more widespread than thought, Japanese media
reported
on Thursday.
Mitsubishi Motors , Japan's fourth-biggest automaker, will
add more than
50,000 cars and trucks to its planned recall, pushing the total
above
580,000, Jiji news agency reported.
A spokesman for the
automaker was unable to confirm the report, adding that
the results of the
internal investigation, including measures to improve
internal controls and
penalize those responsible for the cover-up, would be
released next
week.
The scandal has sparked modest losses in Mitsubishi Motors' share
price, but
analysts warned a bigger decline may be looming.
"The share
price has been slow to react to this news but there will be a
serious impact
soon," Merrill Lynch analyst Takaki Nakanishi said.
Mitsubishi's shares
ended Thursday's trade at 448 yen ($4.13), down seven
percent from Monday's
close but still well above both the intraday low of
388 yen hit shortly after
the scandal broke in July and the year's low of
305 yen hit in
January.
Mitsubishi said on July 18 it would recall 514,000 vehicles in
Japan at a
cost of five billion yen ($46.10 million) after it was learned the
company
had hidden a large number of consumer complaints from Transport
Ministry
officials since 1992. The recall figure was later raised to
530,000.
PROBE UNCOVERS WIDER COVER-UP
Thursday's Jiji
report, quoting unnamed sources, said an internal
investigation had uncovered
additional complaints that had been hidden from
government authorities, and
at least two separate divisions within the
company were involved.
The
day before, the Yomiuri Shimbun said the cover-up dated back to the
launch of
Mitsubishi Motors' recall system in 1969.
Mitsubishi Motors President
Katsuhiko Kawasoe, appointed chief executive in
late 1997 to clean up the
company's image after his predecessor stepped down
amid a racketeer payoff
scandal, told business daily Nihon Keizai Shimbun
his own salary would be cut
and other officials would also be held
accountable for the
scandal.
Although both the Transport Ministry and the company have said
they had no
evidence senior management was involved in or aware of the
cover-up, the
scandal has raised doubts about the struggling automaker's
reform program,
including a drive to cut costs and debt levels.
"The
biggest problem at Mitsubishi is that it failed to make the progress
planned
in its reforms, and if Kawasoe ends up resigning there'll be no
proper
successor in the company," Merrill Lynch's Nakanishi said.
In May,
Mitsubishi forecast its group net loss would triple in the business
year to
next March to 70 billion yen, although this was due mainly to
covering
retirement benefit liabilities.
Analysts have also said they doubted the
scandal would interfere with
Mitsubishi's alliance with DaimlerChrysler AG
(NYSE:DCX - news) , which
agreed in March to acquire a 34 percent stake in
the Japanese carmaker.
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:57:13
+0100
From: George Shaw <
george.shaw@btinternet.com>
Subject:
Team3S: GTO vs GT
Hi folks
After a few comments made over a few to
many pints of beer I was wondering what the general opinion was on the Japanese
import GTO vs the UK (or USA) spec GT or VR4. Is one better than the other?
GS
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:00:33
-0500
From: "cody" <
overclck@flash.net>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: GTO vs GT
For all practical purposes they are the same
car.
Certain countries got larger turbos from the factory, with the same
boost
levels.
Non-Turbo GTO's from Japan are All-Wheel
Drive.
Turbo GTO's from Japan carry a lower HP rating due to Japan's
strict
regulations.
GTO's are right hand drive.
That's about it
when it comes to comparing the different cars.
I believe there is also a
GTO MR in Japan (I thought MR usually meant
Mid-Engine, Rear Wheel Drive; but
I assure you it's AWD) - I believe this
model is a tad lighter than the
standard VR4 or GTO TT.
- -Cody
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Message-----
From:
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mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On
Behalf Of George Shaw
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 2:57 PM
To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Team3S: GTO vs GT
Hi folks
After a few comments made over a
few to many pints of beer I was wondering
what the general opinion was on the
Japanese import GTO vs the UK (or USA)
spec GT or VR4. Is one better than the
other?
GS
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:13:59
-0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: ARC setup
Thanks Roger for the informative reply. I like the
idea of adding a
thermistor to supply real air temp measurements for the ECU.
Doesn't
the thermistor output need to be converted to the correct
voltage
input range for the ECU? The ARC2 does not need to be in the path
at
all for pressure and temperature input to the ECU. I think the
sensor
should be near the MAS though as the ECU is using the pressure
and
flow readings (along with temp) to calculate the mass of air
going
through the MAS. If we give it the (unfortunately) higher
reading
near the plenum it will think there is less air mass than
there
really is and so less fuel! I know, I know, that is what we
are
already doing but why confuse the ECU any further? I am very
much
interested in adding air temp sensors to my IC pipes and for the
MAS
- - another winter project.
Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
Stealth
316
-->
http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius/-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Gerl" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
To: "Jeff
Lucius" <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>;
<
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Wednesday, August 23, 2000 2:01 AM
Subject: Team3S: ARC setup (was : Need
Help)
<snip>
I'm working on the temp thing as I need it for the
summer. I'm sure a
simple variable resistor will do the job just havent
had the chance
to try it out yet. I'm also considering a small thermoresistor
that
will be mounted at the airfilter providing the ECU the
correct
temperature (as the MAF doesn't have them anymore). BTW, this is
what
the VPC does as it doesn't do a lot if any to the mixture when
temp
rises but the signal to the ECU is changed to show the temp
increase
(in the intake manifold). I think this is not a bad idea to
deliver
the real temperature of the air in the y-pipe for the ECU, but
it is
possible that it then highly retards the timing when it sees
90°C
(without WI !!!!!!) at the throttle body ! The desired temp
shoudl
always be below 50°C and best results are at 39°C (thank you WI
!!!).
When I'm able again to crawl under the car I will get the stuff
ready
soon and will then check this
out.
<snip>
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:20:49
-0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: GTO vs GT
> Turbo GTO's from Japan carry a lower HP rating
due to
> Japan's strict regulations.
The operative word in that
sentence is "rating" as they still make standard
horsepower (or possibly
more). All Japanese manufacturers are listing their
top cars at 280,
even though the cars make more - in some cases a LOT more
(Skyline).
-
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:26:03
-0700
From: "Browne, Troy E" <
troy.e.browne@intel.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Need Help
Hi Folks,
Troy here with some bad news about
my baby(96 3000GT VR4 Spyder)
It looks like I jumped the timing belt
:( The dealer just called
to inform me that I had ZERO compression in
the #1 cylinder so I guess
that means the heads are coming off, new timing
belt, tensioner, water
pump, gaskets, machine work etc... Joy
I
guess my question now is... Assuming there is only damage to the
heads.
Do I rebuild the whole thing or just just the heads?
If
just the heads, stock valves? Cams? lash adjusters? Or
Aftermarket.
I know there have been alot of posts lately on after market
valves, pistons,
and crankshafts (not to turn them) and one in
particular about a shop which
would
either rebuild or trade out a high
perfomance engine for a reasonable price.
(and I would prefer better than
stock parts.)
Unfortunately, I deleted all these posts as I blindly hoped
this wouldn't
happen
to me. After all the engine only has 19k on it,
right?
What I'm looking for is this: I want this to be a perfomance
engine able to
handle
my 15Gs and 720cc inj. which is still a dependable
daily driver. Money is
not a big
concern within reason.(still have
to explain it to the spouse)
Does anyone have
recommendations?
Should I send the engine out to a performance
shop. If so does anyone know
of a good one near
Sacramento.
Should I have the dealer do it? 3-4k if lower end
touched. 1.5-2k top end
only. (They will
allow upgraded parts to be
installed , not sure about port/polish/balancing.
Manager said they
send
it out to a shop.)
I'm hesitant to beef up the top end without touching
the low end for fear of
knock damage
(Rogers posts) since the only thing
the dealer would see is the cylinder
walls.
One more thing, I'd
prefer to use the stock block to keep all serial
numbers
intact.
Uuggghh, sorry for the long post everyone, just
wanted to let you know.
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:49:01
EDT
From:
SKCrusader@aol.comSubject: RE: Team3S:
Odyssey aka Predator Battery
Would someone please explain water injection
to me?? I've never heard of this before.....Thanks.
Scott
'89
Grand Pricks (oops, that's Prix) POS
Waiting for my own
TT
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:51:40
-0700
From: "Browne, Troy E" <
troy.e.browne@intel.com>
Subject:
Team3S: RE: Need Help
Hopefully this will be easier to read now.
changed to plain text.
Hi Folks,
Troy here with some bad news
about my baby(96 3000GT VR4 Spyder)
It looks like I jumped the timing
belt :( The dealer just called
to inform me that I had ZERO compression
in the #1 cylinder so I guess
that means the heads are coming off, new timing
belt, tensioner, water
pump, gaskets, machine work etc... Joy
I
guess my question now is... Assuming there is only damage to the
heads.
Do I rebuild the whole thing or just just the heads?
If
just the heads, stock valves? Cams? lash adjusters? Or
Aftermarket.
I know there have been alot of posts lately on after market
valves, pistons,
and crankshafts (not to turn them) and one in
particular about a shop which
would either rebuild or trade out a high
perfomance engine for a reasonable
price.
(and I would prefer better than
stock parts.)
Unfortunately, I deleted all these posts as I blindly hoped
this wouldn't
happen
to me. After all the engine only has 19k on it,
right?
What I'm looking for is this: I want this to be a perfomance
engine able to
handle my 15Gs and 720cc inj. which is still a dependable
daily driver.
Money is
not a big concern within reason.(still have to
explain it to the spouse)
Does anyone have recommendations?
Should
I send the engine out to a performance shop. If so does anyone know
of
a good one near Sacramento.
Should I have the dealer do it? 3-4k if
lower end touched. 1.5-2k top end
only. (They will allow upgraded parts
to be installed , not sure about
port/polish/
balancing. Manager
said they send it out to a shop.)
I'm hesitant to beef up the top end
without touching the low end for fear of
knock damage (Rogers web posts)
since the only thing the dealer would see is
the
cylinder
walls.
One more thing, I'd prefer to use the stock
block to keep all serial
numbers intact.
Uuggghh, sorry for
the long post everyone, just wanted to let you know.
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:56:14
-0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Need Help
> It looks like I jumped the timing belt
:( The dealer
> just called to inform me that I had ZERO
compression
> in the #1 cylinder so I guess that means the heads
>
are coming off, new timing belt, tensioner, water
> pump, gaskets, machine
work etc... Joy
Oooof! Tough break.
> I guess my
question now is... Assuming there is
> only damage to the
heads. Do I rebuild the whole
> thing or just just the heads?
If one cylinder is bad enough to be zero compression, there is probably
some
piston damage as well. Best thing to do would be to go with forged
pistons
if you are going to keep the car upgraded. Since you installed
720cc
injectors I'm going to assume that you are looking for huge performance
out
of it and want to run lots of boost at the dragstrip or
something.
> After all the engine only has 19k on it,
right?
19k? The timing belt should still be covered under the
powertrain warranty.
None of the modifications you made would affect the
durability of the timing
belt. You might want to try to pursue the
warranty angle.
> I'm hesitant to beef up the top end without
touching
> the low end for fear of knock damage (Rogers posts)
>
since the only thing the dealer would see is the
> cylinder
walls.
If you are into it as far as the heads, and the cost isn't a huge
concern,
I'd go with the forged pistons and whatever rods the group
recommends.
Seems like Mitsubishi rods are pretty good, but I'm not "in the
know" once
you crack open the motor.
> One more thing, I'd
prefer to use the stock block
> to keep all serial numbers
intact.
Most likely the block is fine and you should be able to use it
just fine.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:42:36
-0700
From: Ken Middaugh <
Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: RE: Need Help
> It looks like I jumped the timing
belt :( The dealer just called
> to inform me that I had ZERO
compression in the #1 cylinder so I guess
> that means the heads are
coming off, new timing belt, tensioner, water
> pump, gaskets, machine
work etc... Joy
Being that this is the dealer, do you know for sure
that they re-aligned the
cams before doing the compression test? If
not, the valves could be open during
the compression stroke (hopefully not at
TDC though).
Matt is right. At 19K on a '96, you are covered 100%
under warranty. They
should pick up the entire cost. If you have
mods, they will have to prove that
the mods were directly responsible for the
timing belt slip rather than a
stretched belt, faulty tensioner, or faulty
tensioner installation.
- --
Forget world peace -- visualize using
your turn signal!
Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San
Diego
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:51:53
-0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Need Help
>> 19k? The timing belt should still be
covered under the
>> powertrain warranty. None of the
modifications you made
>> would affect the durability of the timing
belt. You
>> might want to try to pursue the warranty
angle.
> Dealer already kyboshed that idea due to extensive
mods
> and past 3yr/36K warranty. I will try that angle
>
verbally with the service manager though.
Powertrain warranty is 5 years
/ 60,000 miles on Mitsubishi vehicles,
including Spyder. On such a low
mileage vehicle like yours the timing belt
shouldn't be out of adjustment /
broken already.
> Not looking to take it to the strip but road course
definitely.
They'll let you do that with your Spyder? Roadracing
groups around here in
Minnesota require a rollbar on convertibles, and I'm
not willing to
structurally modify my Spyder to that extent, not to mention a
rollbar would
look lame with the top down (IMHO).
- -Matt
'95
3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:18:00
-0700
From: Ken Middaugh <
Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Need Help
> >> 19k? The timing belt should
still be covered under the
> >> powertrain warranty. None of
the modifications you made
> >> would affect the durability of the
timing belt. You
> >> might want to try to pursue the warranty
angle.
>
> > Dealer already kyboshed that idea due to extensive
mods
> > and past 3yr/36K warranty. I will try that angle
>
> verbally with the service manager though.
Of course the dealer will
try to dissuade you! Remember, these guys are trying
to make
money. Don't let them put the kybosh on it! You may need to talk
to
the area representative, not the service manager. See
http://www.sema.org/fedleg/warranty/warranty.html
for info on warranty denials.
Like Matt said, engine & drivetrain are
covered for 5 year / 60K miles! Fight
for this!
- --
Forget
world peace -- visualize using your turn signal!
Ken Middaugh (858)
455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:18:17
+0200
From: "Roger Gerl \(RTEC\)" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Need Help
> Powertrain warranty is 5 years / 60,000 miles
on Mitsubishi vehicles,
> including Spyder. On such a low mileage
vehicle like yours the timing
belt
> shouldn't be out of adjustment /
broken already.
Mitsubishi warranty claim : Changes and modification made
to the engine that
does include fuel system and internals as well as running
the engine out of
its specs violates any warranty provided by Mitsubishi
Motors Corporation.
The car runs out of it's specs as well as some mods
have been done. The
timing belt slippage is normally not affected by the mods
but during the
work one could have been made something wrong and Mitsubishi
is not willing
to pay for any mechanics bad work. This is clear as the guy
simply could
have attached the belt with just too less tourque ! Mitsu pays
if the
problem appeared due to a broken pulley, belt or anythign else that
finally
caused the belt to slip. If the belt just slipped due to too less
tourque
... tuff luck. If this works out, I will loosen the the belt
tensioner, ru
nthe car up to 8000 (G-Force self-programmed) and then call
Mitsu ... uuuups
the timing belt slipped, may I have a new engine please ?
Sorry, but at
least here in Europe, they are not that stupid.
Kens
note on the cam alignement is very good ! Zero compression normally
means
valves are not closing or the piston has a hole in it (I just had this
on my
clients car). If the other cyls reading are better or good then of
course the
cam is properly aligned.
For the damage, also the piston should be
replaced as well as the rods taken
out and balanced again. Yes, the belt
should be changed as well as the
gaskets. But all pistons will become new
rings as I'd not do only one. The
idea of good forged psitons should be
taken. I was screwed at this time by
the dealer and I haven't got them on
time (i.e. cancelled the order) as I
waited for the stuff more than 4 weeks.
The heads "should " not have any
damage. The engine I got from a jumped belt
had scratched cams and a crack
in the head. A used good engine was finally
cheaper than the rebuild we
calculated in advance. The crankshaft is no
problem and can be left where it
is.
After reading your posts again, I
doubt that the belt has jumped and I more
belive in the fact you runned lean
enough that caused the piston to break or
... the same liek happend to me
lately ... that there must be a big bubble
of that caused an overheat
situation at only one cyl. And #1 only breaks if
there is a serious problem
(enough cooling there.) Strange... I'd liek to
see the heads off :) Have the
digicam ready for us.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:28:44
+0200
From: "Roger Gerl \(RTEC\)" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: ARC setup
> Thanks Roger for the informative reply. I
like the idea of adding a
> thermistor to supply real air temp
measurements for the ECU. Doesn't
> the thermistor output need to be
converted to the correct voltage
> input range for the ECU?
I have
to check the manual again but this is not a big deal. It's just
another wire
to route through the firewall :-/
> The ARC2 does not need to be in
the path at
> all for pressure and temperature input to the
ECU.
Correct, but I'd say we don't need the barometric
sensor.
> I think the sensor
> should be near the MAS though as
the ECU is using the pressure and
> flow readings (along with temp) to
calculate the mass of air going
> through the MAS.
Yep, just make
thread into the MAF housing :-)
> If we give it the (unfortunately)
higher reading
> near the plenum it will think there is less air mass than
there
> really is and so less fuel!
The AC would then compensate
this, but no, close to or in the MAF would be
the answer.
>
interested in adding air temp sensors to my IC pipes and for the MAS
> -
another winter project.
Hey, I need the car in winter, hehe. The ICs will
probably find their way
into the car next year !
Roger
93'3000GT
TT
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:38:50
+0200
From: "Roger Gerl \(RTEC\)" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: 3. Euro Spec
> 3. Concernes about the new
VR-4
>
> the car faster, but how safe was it for the car and what
should I look for
in
> terms of engine damage.
Only a good
compression test and leak down test can tell something about the
health. No,
it is not safe if not done properly !
> When you read further down,
you will notice I want to
> put a boost controller, will I most likely
have to undo what the previous
owner
> did?
Yes
> am
currently trying to get a US map for it. Anyways, are all the
Euro
Spec
> 3000GTs with the stearing wheel on the right
side?
No, the japanese cars do have it on the right side. Please note
that the
most european countries use the left side driving style. The UK cars
are
pure japanese cars with some restrictions and governours
installed.
> .. or perhaps do they all say GTO instead of
3000GT?
No, in Europe they have been know as 3000GT
> I am just
trying to find out if it is Euro Spec or
> not?
No it
isn't
Hehe, my mom would take my car at any time or swap it with the MX-3
I bought
her a year ago... no way mom, I keep it
;-)
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:36:20
-0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Need Help
>> Powertrain warranty is 5 years / 60,000
miles on Mitsubishi vehicles,
>> including Spyder. On such a low
mileage vehicle like yours the timing
>> belt shouldn't be out of
adjustment / broken already.
> Mitsubishi warranty claim : Changes and
modification made to
> the engine that does include fuel system and
internals as well
> as running the engine out of its specs violates any
warranty
> provided by Mitsubishi Motors Corporation.
In Europe
that might apply, but in the US there are laws that protect
consumers from
automakers voiding warranties flat-out. If the part that
failed is not
directly affected by other modifications, the manufacturer
must honor their
warranty. If the timing belt tensioner failed, causing the
belt to skip
a tooth then Mitsubishi should honor the warranty on that part
and the
subsequent damage it caused.
> The car runs out of it's specs as well
as some mods have been
> done. The timing belt slippage is normally not
affected by
> the mods but during the work one could have been
made
> something wrong and Mitsubishi is not willing to pay for
any
> mechanics bad work. This is clear as the guy simply could
>
have attached the belt with just too less tourque !
The problem with this
resoning is that the guy who would've screwed up the
timing belt would have
been a MITSUBISHI factory worker. The car has only
19,000 miles on
it! I'm pretty sure the timing belt wouldn't have been
touched since it
left the factory. You wouldn't mess with it just for kicks
- - it is a
chore to even get at it! Of course, this all assumes that it
is
actually the timing belt that is the problem.
> After reading
your posts again, I doubt that the belt has
> jumped and I more belive in
the fact you runned lean
> enough that caused the piston to break or...
the same
> liek happend to me lately ... that there must be a big
>
bubble of that caused an overheat situation at only one
> cyl. And #1 only
breaks if there is a serious problem
> (enough cooling there.) Strange...
I'd liek to
> see the heads off :) Have the digicam ready for us.
I
agree with you there... The timing belt jumping is reasonably
unlikely,
but not unheard of. Could be a hole in a piston - that'd be
one way to get
zero compression. However, with a hole in a piston I'd
think the other 5
cylinders would be able to start the car. I don't
know, luckily I haven't
been down that road...
- -Matt
'95 3000GT
Spyder VR4
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:14:51
+1200
From: Kevin Clark <
Kevin.Clark@hnz.co.nz>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: GTO vs GT
> For all practical purposes they are the same
car.
You missed the most important feature... the "fog" lights
can be
turned on and off at will (the main headlamps are
not required to be
on) :)
There are a few other little cosmetic differences,
like
the colour of the indicators, etc. It should also be noted
that
many early VR4's came with 16" wheels and cloth seats
(leather and 17", and
sunroofs were options), which suited
me just find as I don't particularly
like leather seats.
A front, rear and interior view of a '91 GT0-VR4 can
be
found at the following:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/8443/Images_Gto_gto_front-l.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/8443/Images_Gto_gto_rear-l.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/8443/Images_Gto_gto_dash-l.jpgCheers,
Kevin
Clark
'91 GTO-VR4
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:17:02
-0400
From: "LabRat" <
labrat101@home.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Transfer case help please?
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My
transfer case has been leaking oil. I had it checked a week ago and
I
was told it was full\topped off, Anyway I drive home fine with no
problems
but tonight went to go for a ride and couldnt move the
car.
Clutch seems fine, when I engage the clutch it seems as if
the car has its
brakes on, it trys to move but dosent want to,
There are some god awful
noises coming from the transmission\ transfer case
area. metal to metal
squeeks and groans and metalic
pings
I can shift fine.
The car trys to move but something is
grabbing \ stopping it.
I cannot get under the car to check the
transfer case fluids and it surely
is not going to be driven the way it is.
Does this problem sound familiar to anyone?
Suggestions?
On a side note I just had the engine
rebuilt and installed a couple weeks
ago, There was NO transfer case leak
prior to this and the shop guys said it
was minor and they had tightened the
bolts up.
Thanks,
J Couture
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:40:20
-0400
From: "LabRat" <
labrat101@home.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Transfer case help please (plain text-sorry)
My transfer case has been
leaking oil. I had it checked a week ago and I
was told it was
full\topped off, Anyway I drive home fine with no problems
but tonight
went to go for a ride and couldnt move the car.
Clutch seems
fine, when I engage the clutch it seems as if the car has its
brakes
on, it trys to move but dosent want to, There are some god
awful
noises coming from the transmission\ transfer case
area. metal to metal
squeeks and groans and metalic
pings
I can shift fine.
The car trys to move but something is grabbing \
stopping it.
I cannot get under the car to check the transfer case
fluids and it surely
is not going to be driven the way it is.
Does
this problem sound familiar to anyone?
Suggestions?
On a side
note I just had the engine rebuilt and installed a couple weeks
ago, There
was NO transfer case leak prior to this and the shop guys said it
was minor
and they had tightened the bolts up.
Thanks,
J Couture
labrat101@home.com***
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