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Date:
Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:09:13 -0700
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Tech FAQ page??
Hi Dennis;
Eric's recent posting on
populating the FAQ Forum is likely as close as you'll get to
what you'd like
to see happen in regards to your question. Because taste's differ
and
products rapidly change, it is difficult for any set of recommendations
to remain etched
in stone, not to mention remain leading edge. For
those reasons alone, the issues are
always rehashed, when it seems they
should have been settled the last go round 6 months
ago.
For example,
I was recently involved as a help source on an internet Super
Apexi
installation. However since I bought and installed mine less than a
year ago (with
similar help-what goes around comes around) the product had
changed (now a Super Super
Super AVC-R) and my advise had to be limited to
plumbing and wiring. How the improved
product performs should be even better,
but there may be even better products produced
by the competition now. So, in
the end it will all be a matter of opinion. And, you may
find that giving
advise or recommending a product is risky business. "Some" who follow
your
advise may think you should be responsible for everything that happens to them
as
the result of the same. Of course we all know there are the occasional
loose canons like
this around, but having one stuck like dog-do to the bottom
of your shoe, can be
annoying. So, in the end, read and become involved in as
much advise and discussion as
you can, and then make up your own mind based
on the type of car you want for the
conditions you will be using it in. Hope
this explains the situation.
Best
Darc
Dennis Moore
wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> We've had several discussions over
the months, many of them starting with
> the question "What kind of _____
should I buy for my S/3K?" Fill in the
> blank: tires, brake pads,
BOV, boost timers, etc. BUT, we never seem to
> build consensus, or
read any summaries of the discussion. We're left with
> snippets and
snatches of conversation, and the real pearls seem to get
> buried in a
lot of "I thought ___" discussion. Plus, when a newbie comes on
>
the scene in a couple weeks, we'll rehash the entire issue again when
they
> ask the same question.
>
> Are any of you aware of any
pages or sites that have compiled summaries of
> concrete
recommendations? I've just finished a quick perusal of 3si.org and
>
3000gt.com. 3si.org comes close with their pages on Staged Upgrades
and
> Mods & Vendors, but I don't see any real recommendations.
The best example
> of what I'd like to see is the write up that Jeff
Curtis (RIP) did on
> Recommended Fluids.
>
> Do such pages
exist for the other mechanical issues, or am I asking for the
>
moon?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dennis Moore
> stealth@kiva.net
> 93 Stealth
ES
>
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Date:
Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:57:48 -0700
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Mr. 3000GT, meet Mr. Curb
Long story (isn't it always?), but the
result was this weekend I introduced
my 3000GT to a cement curb (5-6" ?) head
on at about 20-25mph. I'm trying
to figure out what things could have
been damaged so I can make sure they're
not or fix em if they are.
The
short version :
2AM, no traffic (whew!), entered an intersection (4-5 lanes
in each
of the four roads) for a left turn. Was going 35-40mph, and on
the brakes.
Turned left, car stuck the turn (as usual), and nose was pointed
left.
Cleared intersection and tires hit something slick in the road.
Back tires
lost it and swung the car around another 70-80 degrees CCW.
Tried to
correct and accelerate (shift weight toward rear to help rear tires
stick
again). Not quick enough, overcorrected, spun car around 160-170
degrees CW
(now pointing in same direction as initially entered the
intersection) and
there was Mr. Curb, hand extended to meet Mr. 3000GT.
I hit it almost
straight on (maybe 3-5 degrees off. Not like I was
watching my speedo at
this point, but I'm guessing 20-25mph. BIG thump,
front tires ended up
about 2ft onto the sidewalk, front seats almost
vertically over the curb.
Car stalled, I about had a heart attack, and
thankfully, there weren't any
blue lights around. Clutch in, turn
key. Started, backed off curb and
removed myself from the premises to a
quiet neighborhood about 200yds away
where I could look the car
over.
What I've noticed:
No damage to the tires (some scrapes on
the sidewalls!)
No damage to the 16" rims (that I can see)
Scuff marks on
the plastic liner on the bottom of the car
Steering wheel is about 3-4
degrees off center
Right toe is noticeably out
Left toe is probably in,
but not visibly
It sat all day yesterday, and no fluids leaked
Car
drives ok, except alignment is really off
What else should I look
at? I've had it jacked up and nothing jumps out at
me as
damaged...
Thanks!
- --Erik
-
------
----------
Erik
Gross
DuPont, WA
'95 Pearl White 3000GT (base,
DOHC)
59,000 mi
Firestone Firehawk 245/50/ZR16 tires, stock wheels
Magnacor KV85
spark plug wires, NGK plugs @ 0.040"
K&N FIPK (57-1500), resonator
intact
Mobil 1 10W30 Synthetic w/ OEM oil filter
Occasionally ticking lash
adjusters, working on solution
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"For we are so little reconciled to time that we are
even
astonished at it ... we exclaim, 'How time flies!' as
though
the universal form of our experience were again and again
a
novelty. It is as strange as if a fish were repeatedly
surprised at the wetness of water. And that would
be
strange indeed, unless of course the fish were destined
to
become, one day, a land
animal."
--C. S. Lewis, Reflections on the Psalms
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Date:
Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:54:39 -0400
From: "Michael Chan" <michael.chan@hcl.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Not a squaky belt...
I posted this problem a while ago and have
learned that the actual cause of
that terrible squeaking sound is that one of
the bearings in the pulley is
actually causing the noise.
I think that
it is the one that drives the alternator. I will be replacing
this
soon, however is there anything else that can or should be done?
I have
been told that it would take an hour or two to do the job.
Mike
91
TT
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Date:
Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:00:32 -0700
From: wce@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Mr. 3000GT, meet Mr. Curb
Hi Erik;
Given the stopping
distance ( 2 feet onto the sidewalk) you weren't moving very fast,
and
obviously had your foot into the brakes before imapct. . If everything you
have
discribed is accurate, then a good front end shop where they do AWD
alignments should
fix you up perfectly. Just have them check other
steering/suspension components up front
when you take it in for the work
(stand there and watch them so you know it really does
need a new tie rod,
etc)
Best
Darc
Gross, Erik wrote:
> Long story
(isn't it always?), but the result was this weekend I introduced
> my
3000GT to a cement curb (5-6" ?) head on at about 20-25mph. I'm
trying
> to figure out what things could have been damaged so I can make
sure they're
> not or fix em if they are.
>
> The short
version :
> 2AM, no
traffic (whew!), entered an intersection (4-5 lanes in each
> of the four
roads) for a left turn. Was going 35-40mph, and on the brakes.
>
Turned left, car stuck the turn (as usual), and nose was pointed left.
>
Cleared intersection and tires hit something slick in the road. Back
tires
> lost it and swung the car around another 70-80 degrees CCW.
Tried to
> correct and accelerate (shift weight toward rear to help rear
tires stick
> again). Not quick enough, overcorrected, spun car
around 160-170 degrees CW
> (now pointing in same direction as initially
entered the intersection) and
> there was Mr. Curb, hand extended to meet
Mr. 3000GT. I hit it almost
> straight on (maybe 3-5 degrees
off. Not like I was watching my speedo at
> this point, but I'm
guessing 20-25mph. BIG thump, front tires ended up
> about 2ft onto
the sidewalk, front seats almost vertically over the curb.
> Car stalled,
I about had a heart attack, and thankfully, there weren't any
> blue
lights around. Clutch in, turn key. Started, backed off curb
and
> removed myself from the premises to a quiet neighborhood about
200yds away
> where I could look the car over.
>
> What I've
noticed:
>
> No damage to the tires (some scrapes on the
sidewalls!)
> No damage to the 16" rims (that I can see)
> Scuff
marks on the plastic liner on the bottom of the car
> Steering wheel is
about 3-4 degrees off center
> Right toe is noticeably out
> Left
toe is probably in, but not visibly
> It sat all day yesterday, and no
fluids leaked
> Car drives ok, except alignment is really
off
>
> What else should I look at? I've had it jacked up and
nothing jumps out at
> me as damaged...
>
> Thanks!
>
--Erik
>
>
------
----------
> Erik
Gross
DuPont, WA
> '95 Pearl White 3000GT (base,
DOHC)
59,000 mi
> Firestone Firehawk 245/50/ZR16 tires, stock wheels
>
Magnacor KV85 spark plug wires, NGK plugs @ 0.040"
> K&N FIPK
(57-1500), resonator intact
> Mobil 1 10W30 Synthetic w/ OEM oil
filter
> Occasionally ticking lash adjusters, working on solution
>
------
----------
> "For we are so little reconciled to time that we are
even
> astonished at it ... we exclaim, 'How time flies!' as
though
> the universal form of our experience were again and again
a
> novelty. It is as strange as if a fish were
repeatedly
> surprised at the wetness of water. And that would
be
> strange indeed, unless of course the fish were destined
to
> become, one day, a land
animal."
>
--C. S. Lewis, Reflections on the Psalms
>
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Date:
Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:23:54 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Tech FAQ page??
Hey, Dennis, and all,
I've left your
entire message quoted below, and it raises some good
questions and
suggestions...
I'll be echoing Darcy a bit here, but you're
correct... That every
time a newbie arrives in our group and asks
questions (that we hashed
out six months before), we cover much of the same
material. But what
is also true is that each time we rehash a subject,
we have NEW
information, both from the 'experts' who have refined
their
'expertise' and some of the other folks, with occasionally
different
experiences. That's why IMO, Eric's free site www.3si.org should be
checked when looking for
a FAQ page on things that can only be done
one way, such as the "Resonator
Mod" for the non-turbos, and many
others. Commercial sites like
3000gt.com may also offer some help.
But be aware that as soon as you create
a FAQ page, it becomes old
information unless you update it on a regular,
sometimes daily basis.
Eric works his tail off trying do that, so it is
probably the first
place to look...
Since all of us here at Team3S are
just owners freely volunteering
information to one another, we can't dedicate
the time required to
create and constantly update FAQ pages. Naturally,
you or anyone else
may volunteer to create a FAQ page and I'll gladly put it
up on our
minimalist Team3S site, but we admins are already volunteering a
great
deal of time simply keeping the list organized and answering
internal
questions from our 450 members. Each of us try to add to our
own or
the Team3S pages in one way or another, but all of us have
jobs,
lives, families, and are pretty 'maxxed out' with the time we
already
spend... We will add pages from time to time (and mirror them
on
Eric's site) but it's "slow going"... I've got 4 or 5 pages "in
the
can" that are at 95% finished, but it's summer and I'm busy trying
to
squeeze out a bit of enjoyment by actually DRIVING my Stealth for
a
change... :-)
Further, you'll find that there is rarely ONE
answer to a question,
like "what are the best tires". Indeed, just
among the seven of us
admins, I think you'll find seven types of favorite
tires! Chris runs
Michelin Pilot MXX3, I prefer Nitto Extreme
Performance 450, Jim
Matthews has Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4, Mikael with
Bridgestone Potenza
S-02 Pole Position, etc, etc. Extrapolate that to
450 other voices,
all with valid opinions, and perhaps you can imagine the
enormity of
the task putting together a FAQ page for even ONE thing that can
be
done more than one way. Are you volunteering? :-)
We need
more of the members to step up and offer their help in even
one area, since
it all adds up. Jack T's incredible work on the
Getrag problem, Roger's
offerings with WIS and various turbo mods, Ian
Marks currently working on
setting up a searchable database for our
archives... These are the
kinds of ongoing individual dedication that
will continue to make this list
the best source of technical
information for our amazing cars.
So to
answer your question, "Am I asking for the moon?", I say that
giving you the
moon is "no sweat". It's gathering all those pesky
stars that's the
problem... :-)
Best,
Forrest
- -----Original
Message-----From: Dennis Moore <stealth@kiva.net>
>We've had
several discussions over the months, many of them starting
with
>the
question "What kind of _____ should I buy for my S/3K?" Fill
in
the
>blank: tires, brake pads, BOV, boost timers, etc. BUT, we
never seem
to
>build consensus, or read any summaries of the
discussion. We're left
with
>snippets and snatches of
conversation, and the real pearls seem to
get
>buried in a lot of "I
thought ___" discussion. Plus, when a newbie
comes on
>the scene
in a couple weeks, we'll rehash the entire issue again when
they
>ask
the same question.
>
>Are any of you aware of any pages or sites
that have compiled
summaries of
>concrete recommendations? I've
just finished a quick perusal of
3si.org and
>3000gt.com. 3si.org
comes close with their pages on Staged Upgrades
and
>Mods &
Vendors, but I don't see any real recommendations. The
best
example
>of what I'd like to see is the write up that Jeff Curtis
(RIP) did on
>Recommended Fluids.
>
>Do such pages exist for
the other mechanical issues, or am I asking
for
the
>moon?
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Date:
Mon, 30 Aug 1999 13:39:38 CDT
From: "Curt Gendron" <curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Good Water Injection info
Hey everyone,
I just stumbled
upon the DSM Water Injection Mailing List. Those darn DSM
guys beat us
to the punch again. ;) But, on the other hand, myself and
John
Basol are DSM guys too. :)
Anyways, check out this link for some
good Water Injection information:
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/7678//DSM_water_injection/
later,
Curt,
95
R/T TT --> 13.11 @ 105.9 mph
96 GSX --> 14.49 @ 92.9 mph
and author
of Minnesota 3/S at: http://www.mn3s.org
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Date:
Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:43:00 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Car For Sale
Hey everyone, I'm considering selling my
car.
Asking price will start at 29k. I'll consider any serious
offers.
I have well over 30k invested in the car. The new engine has
5,000 miles on
it, the transmission has about 12,000 miles (6
speed)
For more information, please check out my home page before asking
any
questions.
The car is clean, and fast. Most components are
top of the line.
Brad
Check out my home page: http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
E-Mail:
bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#
3612682
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Date:
Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:59:28 -0700
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Aluminum y-pipe
Folks...
Isn't somebody making a set of
aluminum y-pipes? The lip on my stock y-pipe
is broken and I'm having to use
the infamous "bungy cord mod". Works fine,
but sure doesn't look very nice.
E-mail me privately. Thanks!!!
Looking forward...Chris
1995
Glacier Pearl White VR4 (w/HKS Super Flo intake, TEC 15G turbos, bored
and
polished throttle body, RC 560cc injectors, HKS fuel pump, GReddy PRofec
A
boost controller, G-force ECU upgrade, HKS SBOV, custom
intercoolers,
Predator dry cell battery, Magnecore 8.5mm wires, NGK double
platinum plugs
gapped at .030", ATR downpipe and test pipe, GReddy catback
exhaust, GReddy
turbo timer, Eibach 1" drop progressive springs, Michelin SX
MXX3 Pilots)
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Date:
Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:09:08 -600
From: syzygy@webzone.net
Subject: Team3S:
Front vs Rear Turbo?
Hey all...
Is there any difference between
the way a front and rear turbo mount on a 3Si?
I have an upgraded rear turbo
from my old Stealth... I'm thinking of mounting
it the place of the front
turbo on my new(er) VR4. Are there differences between
the mount points on
the two turbos?
Why place the former rear turbo in the front of the VR4?
Because it is a heck
of alot easier to do!
Nissa
95 VR-4 with Speed
Dimples
Don't mess in the affairs of dragons.
For you are crunchy and
go good with ketchup.
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Date:
Tue, 31 Aug 1999 02:04:22 -0400
From: rich shepherd <lionred@earthlink.net>
Subject:
Team3S: nitrous
i have been thinking of putting nitrous on my 92 vr4 just
wanted some
advice on this subject. also a friend of mine just got a 93 rx7
and i am
looking for some info on these cars. like how fast they are 0-60 and
are
they faster than a vr4,do they handle better, that kind
of
stuff.anything would be
nice.
thanks Rich 92 vr4
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Date:
Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:55:36 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Front vs Rear Turbo?
>Is there any difference between the way
a front and rear turbo mount on a
3Si?
Unfortunately yes ! The front
turbo has a bent outlet to clear the engine
mount. Therefore the rear one
will not work. Even more the outlet of the
rear is made for the bolt-on IC
pipe while the front one uses a turbos hose
mounted with a
clamp.
Roger,
93'3000GT TT
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Date:
Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:00:14 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: nitrous
I'd do a lot other things to a VR4 long before I'm gonna
touch the bottle.
Sure it's cheaper and easier compared to messing around
with turbos and
other stuff but I'd do this only as the last thing ! Jack T.
runs in the 11s
on the motor and in the 10s on the juice, so you see he
already cranked up
the boost. BTW, if you still go the juicy way you'll
definitely have to
increase the fuel system with a lot
parts.
Regards
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date:
Tue, 31 Aug 1999 04:06:02 -0500
From: "Noah Erickson" <noaherickson@sprintmail.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: nitrous
>if you still go the juicy way you'll definitely
have to
> increase the fuel system with a lot parts.
You'll have to
beef up the fuel system for big turbos, too, of course.
There's nothing wrong
with nitrous, but more people seem to mess it up than
anything else.
Sure, you can blow your motor, but you'd do that if you ran
TD04H 15Gs on the
stock fuel system, too. Just be reasonable, and you'll
be
safe.
Noah Erickson
1991 Galant VR-4
TTS's 1995 Spyder VR-4's
"chief grease monkey"
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